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{\an8}I had seen him
showing sexual videos of myself.
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Revenge porn.
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She lies all the time.
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[Joangela] He sent this to
my boss at 1:30 in the morning.
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[Judy]
It's a very graphic email to her boss.
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Why would you send this to her boss?
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[narrator]
This is Judy Justice.
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{\an8}[theme music playing]
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{\an8}[narrator]
David Self is suing his ex-girlfriend,
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{\an8}Joangela Strowger,
for a phone and gas money.
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[bailiff]
Court come to order. All rise.
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Have a seat, please.
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- {\an8}-
- Case 2087, Self versus Strowger.
- Thank you.
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You're welcome.
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- Your last name is Self?
- That's correct.
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[Judy]
There are two parts to your claim.
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I'm going to get and just--
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- take hands out of your pockets.
- Sorry about that.
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I'm going to get and dismiss one of
them and get to the one that is important.
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You and the defendant
were in a dating sort of relationship.
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That dating relationship
sort of continued for a while.
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At some point you had
an argument and she left you.
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She stranded you.
That was in July of 2022.
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You said you had an argument,
she drove off and she left you stranded.
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You had to get a hotel for the night.
You had to pay your friend for gas money.
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- [babbles]
- [David] Correct.
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Forget that.
That's what happens when
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- you have a fight with your girlfriend.
- Okay.
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[Judy]
Have a fight with your girlfriend--
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- How old are you?
- I'm almost 40.
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Well, for someone almost 40,
they know how to get home.
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- Correct.
- [Judy] Okay, good.
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So let's get to what your lawsuit is.
It's really about a phone.
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A phone that you say the defendant
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{\an8}is responsible for losing or taking.
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- {\an8}-
- Taking-- I have video of--
- [Judy] Taking.
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{\an8}And the defendant in some way
acknowledges that she disposed of
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{\an8}your phone and she says
she had very good cause
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{\an8}to dispose of your phone.
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{\an8}She's going to tell me why.
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{\an8}So I'm going to
get some dates from you, Mr. Self,
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- Okay.
- and I'm going to at the same time,
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explore what I see is her
answer and her counterclaim.
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Okay.
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[Judy]
Now, after the two of you had broken up,
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{\an8}Miss Strowger was at a bar.
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And she was at a bar on what date?
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[David]
I would say that would be the 16th.
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It was actually the 9th.
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- August 2.
- [Judy] Eight two. You see how--
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She knows better about
these dates than I do.
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Well, but it's your case.
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I understand that. Als--
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So let's say she's right,
that it happened on August 2nd.
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- [David] Okay.
- And at that time,
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the two of you were
no longer dating or a couple?
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Yes.
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And you were going to a bar,
and when you got there,
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was the defendant there?
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Not that I was aware of.
At the particular time.
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[Judy]
You didn't see her?
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I didn't see her, no.
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[Judy]
What time did you get to the bar?
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[David]
I'd say about four or five.
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[Judy]
Anybody else at the bar?
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There's quite a bit of people there,
to be honest.
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- [Judy] How many people?
- I'd say about 30.
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[Judy] Anybody you knew?
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Quite a bit of people.
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Of the 30 people there,
how many people did you know?
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I'd say at least ten.
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But you indicate when you got there,
you did not see the defendant.
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No, I wasn't paying
attention to her at the particular time.
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Well, you say that there were
30 people in the bar,
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- [David] Correct.
- [Judy] Ten of whom you knew,
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so you knew some people,
and this was former girlfriend of yours
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with whom you had been
close association and intimate, right?
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- Correct.
- [Judy] And you didn't see her.
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Well, they have a back patio,
and then they also have
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the indoors and everything like that.
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And then they have
a front area, too, as well, so...
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Tell me, Mr. Self,
when did you in fact see her?
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Is when she was, uh, doing the bowling,
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and that was a little bit
later on when I was playing pool.
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[Judy]
About what time was that?
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I don't know,
probably like seven or eight.
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So you had been in the bar
for between three and four hours.
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Yes.
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Okay, so now you're at
the bar for three or four hours,
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and are your friends there,
these ten people that you knew?
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Yes.
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Now, I'm gonna go back a little bit
to the breakup that you two had--
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Gotcha.
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[Judy]
Was it a mutual breakup?
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So what ended up happening here,
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I think that, uh, we had a disagreement
on the 23rd in Norco,
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and she left me stranded there,
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so I had to get another friend,
give me a ride back to my, uh, residence.
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I can't understand a word you're
saying because you're speaking too fast.
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- On the 23rd...
- Better.
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She, uh, left me at a barbecue
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{\an8}and, uh, had a friend give me a ride
back to Riverside, California.
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{\an8}- [Judy] A friend who was at the barbecue?
- [David] Yes, that's correct.
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[Judy]
Okay, so you were at a barbecue with her?
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That's correct.
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[Judy] And that was--
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how far away from
where you were living in Riverside?
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I'd say about 20 minutes away.
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And your friend was at the barbecue,
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and after you had an argument with her,
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your friend took you home.
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- Prior--
- No, no, not prior.
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Is that what you just said to me?
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In Norco, California...
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is when she left me at a barbecue
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and then at the bar, or when we're down at
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Huntington Beach on the 30th,
she left me.
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I have video that shows all that.
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[Judy] All right. I asked you whether
the breakup was acrimonious.
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- So one time she left you at a barbecue,
- [David] Yes.
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that where you knew
somebody who drove you home.
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Correct.
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And you didn't stay in a motel,
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- you didn't do anything.
- No, I didn't.
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- Okay, good. And then she did it again.
- [David] Yes.
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Is that what you're saying to me?
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- Yes.
- [Judy] And the second time was when?
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- It was on the 30th.
- [Judy] Okay.
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And that is the time when you
say you had to spend some time over--
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- So after she left you the second time,
- Yes.
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[Judy] is that when you
no longer communicated with her?
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- That's correct.
- [Judy] Did you say,
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"Why did you leave me?
How dare you leave me?"
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You didn't have any communication
by text or phone
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or anything else
is what I'm asking you.
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So her cousin
is supposed to play in a band,
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showed up late, she was upset
and just about showing up late. Uh--
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- [Judy] Who showed up late?
- We did, because I was with her.
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- [Judy] I just need a date of that.
- The 30th.
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I have on the 30th.
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So she was upset that you
showed up late and...?
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We showed up late to her cousin's thing.
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They're supposed to be at 2:00.
We got there about 2:05.
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She's upset about that.
When we were driving down the road,
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because we're trying to find parking,
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which everybody was around and everything.
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She was getting upset and... um...
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{\an8}Getting angry with another driver
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{\an8}to the point where
I had to pull the e-brake
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to stop the vehicle as I thought
she was going to run into it.
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[Judy] And then what happened?
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I tried to deescalate the
situation as much as possible.
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Mind you,
there's two minors are in the back.
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I would just like to know
was the breakup--
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I'm trying to figure out
was the breakup acrimonious
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or mutual on the 30th.
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Who broke up with whom?
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- She left me.
- [Judy] She left you there?
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- That's correct.
- [Judy] On the 30th.
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After she left you there on the 30th,
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did you have any communication with her?
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- I was done with it.
- [Judy] Just a second.
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So after the 30th,
you didn't see her or communicate with her
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until you saw her on August 2nd,
is what you're saying?
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Yes, I didn't see her again.
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[Judy] Didn't see her again or
communicate with her from the 30th of...
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- July.
- [Judy] July until August 2nd.
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A few days later?
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- Yes.
- [Judy] Is that what you're saying?
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I believe so.
I can look at my records right now.
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Just to see-- but I don't believe
I give her a call or anything like that.
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Okay.
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And when you saw her
at the bar that you were in,
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you saw her later between six and seven.
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- She was bowling.
- Mm-hmm.
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"Uh-huh" is not an answer.
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- The answer is yes.
- [David] Yes. Yes.
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She was bowling. You were playing pool.
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Correct.
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And what this is about is your phone,
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- Yeah.
- [Judy] which you're missing.
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- Yes.
- [Judy] So tell me about the phone, sir.
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{\an8}So I have a Note10 Plus,
that was behind the bar at the time,
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{\an8}instead of going to my vehicle,
which I typically charge--
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Just a second. So you were
charging your phone at the bar.
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[David] Correct.
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[Judy] When had you
put the phone in to charge it?
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Later on that evening,
around ten, maybe eleven, I'm guessing.
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- [Judy] Ten or eleven.
- I'm guessing--
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[Judy]
Just a second. Ten or eleven? So--
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Because there's
a few times I actually go in there,
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I charge it,
then I use it for a little bit.
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Well, but you saw it the last time--
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I apologize for that.
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Last time you saw it, you plugged it in,
it was like ten or eleven.
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So now you've been in the
bar from four to ten or eleven?
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Yes.
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[Judy] And she was there
at least as far as you know,
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- from about seven to ten or eleven?
- [David] Yes.
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- Keep going.
- So, uh, I charge it. And uh--
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[Judy] What were you
doing with the phone all evening?
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- Talking, texting.
- [Judy] Mm-hmm.
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Texting and stuff like that.
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- Texting?
- [David] Communicating.
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- To whom?
- Friends.
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- [Judy] "Friends."
- What's going on, you know,
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social media, all that good stuff.
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Okay, go ahead.
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So anyways, uh, I was playing pool,
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I went outside and had a cigarette.
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And then that's when she, uh,
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at 12:33 is when she
ended up with her girlfriend
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looking around all this other stuff.
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Like I said before, I have the
video that shows that on the camera.
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Would you like to see it?
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So far, I'm not understanding you.
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So why don't you explain
it to me and then you can show it to me.
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So far, it's all a jumble.
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- 12-12:30 at night, you have--
- 12:33 is when she stole the phone.
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[Judy] Is when she stole the phone?
That's correct.
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[Judy]
And you bought the phone when, sir?
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- [David] About two years ago.
- [Judy] And how much did you pay for it?
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{\an8}I don't know.
I think it was like $800, $700?
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{\an8}[Judy] Well, this is your case.
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How am I supposed to figure out--
you're suing for a phone that she took?
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How am I supposed to figure out how much
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she owes you for the phone if she took it?
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I don't know how much I paid for it,
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but I know it resales for about $1200.
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- Show me!
- So I got the case cover.
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- What kind of phone was it?
- Note10 Plus.
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The Samsung Galaxy Note10 Plus
is typically $395 to $512.
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At this point in time, yes.
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Well, that's what
it would cost you to replace it.
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- Okay.
- Now, you do not deny
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that you put your hands
on his phone in a manner
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in which you intended to
have it removed from his custody,
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{\an8}which means, according to you,
you took the phone out of the charger
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{\an8}- and threw it in the trash
- Correct.
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{\an8}[Judy] or trash someplace.
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So far, Mr. Self,
the defendant acknowledges
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- that she took the phone and trashed it.
- Okay. All right.
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[Judy] And I want you to make sure
that you answer my questions carefully.
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While you were at the bar
between seven and twelve,
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did you ever show anyone at the bar
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a photograph of the defendant?
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No, I did not.
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Now I'll hear you.
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Um, so I got to the bar around 8:30
because I played darts that night.
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I did not see the plaintiff.
Um, I was playing bowling.
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{\an8}There was an arcade game,
and when he came in,
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{\an8}he started showing videos of me.
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That's incorrect.
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Don't speak.
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{\an8}There is a protective order in place,
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{\an8}and if you want to vacate
that protective order
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{\an8}because you question service,
you better do so.
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{\an8}In the meantime, I suggest you stay
very, very far away from her.
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{\an8}[narrator]
Dave Self claims his ex-girlfriend,
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{\an8}Joangela Strowger,
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owes for a phone and gas money.
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Joangela's countersuing for harassment.
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Now, did you see him showing
videos of you to anyone at the bar?
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I saw him showing videos.
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- [Judy] But didn't see what they were.
- No.
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- I would never do such a thing.
- Shh!
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Apologize.
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- Could you stand up, please?
- [Amy whispering] Absolutely.
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Do you know Mr. Self?
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- I do.
- [Judy] Tell me your name.
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- Amy.
- [Judy] Amy what?
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Clagg.
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[Judy]
Were you at the bar on the 2nd of August?
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I was.
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And you know the defendant?
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Yes, she's a friend of mine.
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[Judy] And what about Mr. Self?
How do you know him?
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[Amy] As her ex-boyfriend.
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Be careful of what you-- answer me.
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Did you see what Mr. Self
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{\an8}was showing on his phone?
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{\an8}I did not see what
he was showing on his phone.
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{\an8}I saw him showing the phone
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and I had friends
who came up to me to see--
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No, no. You can't tell
me what your friends told you.
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Understand.
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You can sit down.
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Now, Miss Strowger,
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{\an8}Your answer and of course,
your counterclaim,
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{\an8}involved the fact that Mr. Self
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was showing intimate pictures of you
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that he had maintained on his phone.
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- So far, we don't have a witness to that.
- Mm.
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So what I want you to tell me is
whether or not you personally
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{\an8}had a conversation with
Mr. Self about those videos
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{\an8}on that night on August 2nd.
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{\an8}I asked him not to show
video of me around the bar that night.
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[Judy]
You did have a conversation with him?
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Yeah, because he approached me.
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Put your hand down.
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I want you to tell me
about the conversation.
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He approached me. Basically...
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Not bas--
I don't want to hear "basically."
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- [Joangela] He approached me--
- Approximately what time?
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Saying hi.
Um, about 9:30 that night.
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Approached me saying hi.
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I told him I didn't want
anything to do with him,
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that I had seen him showing videos
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and that I was told that
it was sexual videos of myself.
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[Judy]
And what did he say?
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He said he can do what he
wants with his phone and walked away.
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Do you recall that conversation, Mr. Self?
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There was no conversation that took place.
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- Uh, the only video--
- [Judy] No, no, no.
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Slowly. There was no conversation.
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- [David] There was no conversation
- Conversation that took place.
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[David]
that took place about anything like that.
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What video I did have was her being irate
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over there in Huntington Beach.
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So if you'd like to
see that, too, as well.
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Well, I'd like to see
the videos that she says
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that you have of her on your phone.
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I don't have any videos
of her like that on my phone.
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[Judy]
Did you delete them?
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- I don't have it.
- [Judy stammers] Just--
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Oh, he has a new phone. Got it.
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He has-- just on them.
He has a new phone.
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Well, I did have, um, a letter
stating that he did get the backup
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and he's got all the videos again.
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Oh, I'd like to see that.
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I do have a backup. Once I--
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- [Judy] Just a second.
- Okay.
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He sent this to my boss
at 1:30 in the morning.
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2-- 2:43.
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- Shh!
- [Joangela] Sorry.
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[Judy]
Mr. Self, this was sent by you
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- to her boss on the 9th of August.
- Okay.
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Would you tell me the purpose
of sending this letter to her boss?
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She does very good at showing that she's,
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uh, a good person
and all that other good stuff.
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[Judy]
No, no, I don't think-- listen to me.
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- [David sighs]
- [Judy] I don't necessarily
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- think anything.
- Okay.
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I think any woman that allows
photographs to be taken of her,
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intimate photographs that she would
not want put on--
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- I wouldn't--
- [Judy] I'm speaking.
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- Okay.
- [Judy] I'm speaking.
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That she would not want posted on
the front page of a local newspaper.
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- [David] Correct.
- [Judy] I think that that's foolish.
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- [David] Yeah.
- [Judy] I do.
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And I know a lot of people do it.
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I do a shout out
every once in a while
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and say that that's stupid to do.
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And I think certainly if
you were showing those videos
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or those photographs to anyone at the bar
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because you were annoyed with her
or whatever,
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you thought it was fun.
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- I think that that's sad.
- Totally.
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[Judy] Maybe worse.
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{\an8}What I want to know is,
after this all happened,
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{\an8}why you sent this email to her boss?
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Because the thing is this,
that she is trying to pin me
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as a bad guy or something like that,
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is what she's really trying to do.
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She's trying to
manipulate it to be on her side.
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She lies and manipulates all the time,
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and I've seen that because
I was with her. I should know.
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- [Judy] Okay.
- The thing is this.
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I have the video of her over
there in Huntington Beach being irate,
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unable to have a conversation--
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[Judy]
I don't care if she's irate, sir.
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- Right now, she has no proof
- [David] Correct.
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that you were showing videos of her
at the bar that evening.
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- Yes.
- You don't have that
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- because that's your counterclaim.
- Mm-hmm.
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[Judy]
And if you don't have that,
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then I have to dismiss your counterclaim.
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But there's also harassment
and stalking that he's been doing.
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Okay. I have to dismiss
that part of your counterclaim,
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which is for revenge porn.
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Okay. Now you're going
to tell me about the stalking,
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and first I'll take a look
at a police report.
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- Um, the police report, unfortunately--
- [Judy] Just a second.
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You don't have it?
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- I have a restraining order and--
- [Judy] Just a second.
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Do you have a restraining
order that's in effect now?
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- Yes.
- [Judy] I'd like to take a look at it.
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[David]
Also, Your Honor, too, I have also--
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[Judy] No, don't. I'm not--
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- [David] Okay.
- I didn't ask you anything.
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Were you at a hearing,
Mr. Self, on this protective order?
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I never even got served papers
at all for anything.
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I have proof of service.
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Was there a signature on it?
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Well, Mr. Self,
she has a restraining order that's--
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and the hearing date
was August 25th, 2022.
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She appeared-- you're
supposed to stay away from her.
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I'm just telling you.
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And I'm telling you, considering the fact,
and I don't know
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whether you were released
from prison recently,
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are you still on parole?
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- I'm on parole. Yes.
- [Judy] Okay.
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- [Joangela] And he--
- Well, if you're--
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I didn't ask you anything.
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Well, if you're on parole,
Mr. Self, and you say
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you weren't served with this restraining order,
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- I was never served.
- [Judy] I would strong--
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I would strongly advise her
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that you retain counsel
and question service.
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Yeah, I've contacted my probation officer.
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They're well aware of the--
the situation...
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Don't tell me what they're aware of.
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I'm telling you that there is
a protective order in place.
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Gotcha.
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And if you want to vacate
that protective order
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because you question service
of that protective order,
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you better do so.
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- Okay.
- [Judy] In the meantime,
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I suggest you stay very...
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very far away from her.
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He called me yesterday.
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- I called you yesterday?
- [Joangela] Yes.
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[Judy]
Don't speak to her.
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Tell me what the
conversation was yesterday.
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{\an8}Um, I was on my way to work,
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{\an8}and I didn't know the phone number,
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{\an8}so I answered it, and he said,
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"Please, just give me a minute,"
and I hung up.
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[Judy] Did you call her
yesterday from that phone?
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- There is a phone that--
- [Judy stammers] Just--just a second.
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- That would be a yes.
- Yes.
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Okay. And you know
this situation is hostile.
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[David] Yes.
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And you knew you were coming here today?
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[David] That's correct.
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Would you tell me, please,
why you called her yesterday?
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I didn't mean to call her by any means.
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Must've pocket dialed her.
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Well, if it butt-called
her or pocket dialed her, sir,
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that means that
you would were able to transfer
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all the information that you
had on your old phone into your new phone.
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Because after the
experience that you had at the bar,
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there would be no reason for
you to have her number in your phone.
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- [David] I know.
- [Judy] Unless you just transferred...
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I got it right here.
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Well, if you got it-- listen to me.
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If you got it right here,
then it wasn't a butt-call.
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So you can either butt-call when--
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- Am I wrong about that?
- [chuckles]
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[Judy]
I'm not technically sophisticated,
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but I do know this.
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I can't think into my phone.
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Now, maybe there is a phone
that you can think into.
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I'd say,
"Well, I have her number right here."
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I can't say-- [stammers]
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Am I missing something here?
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You might only butt-dial me
because I'm in your favorites, but--
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[all laugh]
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♪
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{\an8}Why would you send this to her boss?
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{\an8}It shows that she lies and manipulates
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{\an8}and all sort of stuff to get her way.
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{\an8}I'm at a point where I don't
actually believe that you didn't
467
00:18:01,500 --> 00:18:02,934
{\an8}show some photographs of her
around that bar.
468
00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,033
{\an8}I did not.
469
00:18:04,100 --> 00:18:05,533
♪
470
00:18:09,533 --> 00:18:11,500
♪
471
00:18:15,467 --> 00:18:18,633
{\an8}[narrator]
David Self is accusing his ex-girlfriend,
472
00:18:18,700 --> 00:18:22,133
{\an8}Joangela Strowger,
of throwing away his phone.
473
00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,734
Joangela is countersuing,
474
00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,567
claiming David shared
private photos of her.
475
00:18:26,633 --> 00:18:27,533
Okay, so you called her.
476
00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,467
You want to tell me
why you called her yesterday?
477
00:18:29,533 --> 00:18:30,533
I accidentally called her.
478
00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,433
What's her number doing in your phone?
479
00:18:32,500 --> 00:18:35,166
Because I-- I keep all the
numbers and everything just in case
480
00:18:35,233 --> 00:18:36,934
I have to get a hold of somebody.
481
00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,633
Because-- you know how many times
I've been with her and back and forth,
482
00:18:39,700 --> 00:18:41,000
- back and forth, back and forth.
- Yeah.
483
00:18:41,066 --> 00:18:42,633
[David] Tons of times.
You know what I mean?
484
00:18:42,700 --> 00:18:44,433
- You know some-something, Mr. Self?
- [David] What's that?
485
00:18:44,500 --> 00:18:45,934
- I don't believe you, sir.
- Okay.
486
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,033
I don't believe in--
I don't believe that there was ever
487
00:18:48,100 --> 00:18:50,233
any reason for you to contact her boss.
488
00:18:50,300 --> 00:18:52,300
- I think she has an order of protection.
- [David] Okay.
489
00:18:52,367 --> 00:18:54,066
I'd like to see proof of service.
490
00:18:54,133 --> 00:18:55,367
- Do you have it?
- Yes.
491
00:18:56,166 --> 00:18:58,433
Oh, it's not connected with that,
I'm sorry.
492
00:18:58,500 --> 00:19:02,133
If not, I have a picture
of the service in front of his house.
493
00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,967
Yeah, service name.
So it was personal service.
494
00:19:06,033 --> 00:19:09,233
And I do have a video after
the fact of what she's talking about,
495
00:19:09,300 --> 00:19:11,033
the individual coming to the house.
So I recorded that--
496
00:19:11,100 --> 00:19:13,266
[Judy] I'm just reading
the proof of service, sir.
497
00:19:13,333 --> 00:19:14,567
You said you weren't served.
498
00:19:14,633 --> 00:19:16,300
- [David] I wasn't served.
- I'd like to see proof of service.
499
00:19:16,367 --> 00:19:18,467
If you had proof of service,
you were served.
500
00:19:18,533 --> 00:19:19,767
- I wasn't served.
- [Judy] Okay.
501
00:19:21,500 --> 00:19:23,667
Just because you took a picture
in front of the house and everything
502
00:19:23,734 --> 00:19:25,500
doesn't necessarily mean anything.
503
00:19:25,567 --> 00:19:26,734
[Judy] Yeah, it does.
504
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,867
Why is that?
I wasn't even at the resident at the time.
505
00:19:28,934 --> 00:19:31,333
- They took a picture of me.
- [Judy] Shh!
506
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,734
Yeah. I would suggest to you, Mr. Self,
507
00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,867
- [David] Stay away.
- If-- I would suggest to you
508
00:19:36,934 --> 00:19:39,133
- that, hire a lawyer...
- Okay.
509
00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,066
if you think that
the service was improper.
510
00:19:41,133 --> 00:19:42,433
I'm satisfied with it.
511
00:19:42,500 --> 00:19:45,433
And another judge was satisfied with it,
and I still don't understand
512
00:19:45,500 --> 00:19:46,700
why you wrote to her boss.
513
00:19:46,767 --> 00:19:48,533
- [Joangela] I have--
- Why you wrote to her boss afterwards.
514
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,100
Any other communications?
515
00:19:50,166 --> 00:19:51,233
[Joangela]
To my boss? Yes.
516
00:19:51,300 --> 00:19:52,467
May I see it, please?
517
00:20:01,333 --> 00:20:04,367
Well, this is also written
on August 9th, sir.
518
00:20:04,433 --> 00:20:08,834
{\an8}This is from you,
and it's a very graphic email to her boss.
519
00:20:08,900 --> 00:20:10,934
- {\an8}-
- You want to take a look at it?
- I do indeed.
520
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,000
Mm-hmm. I'm going to show it to you.
521
00:20:13,066 --> 00:20:14,066
[David] Okay.
522
00:20:17,100 --> 00:20:18,000
Thank you.
523
00:20:22,500 --> 00:20:25,834
So this is really just stating
the individual that they hired, that the--
524
00:20:25,900 --> 00:20:29,166
No, I'm just asking you
whether you sent that to her boss.
525
00:20:29,233 --> 00:20:30,166
[David] That is my email address.
526
00:20:30,233 --> 00:20:31,867
And that looks like my writing,
that's correct.
527
00:20:31,934 --> 00:20:35,467
Just a sec-- The question is,
did you send that to her boss?
528
00:20:35,533 --> 00:20:38,266
Indeed.
[Judy] Okay. May I have it, please?
529
00:20:38,333 --> 00:20:41,567
And that was after the events,
a week after the events
530
00:20:41,633 --> 00:20:43,767
of the 2nd August, right?
531
00:20:43,834 --> 00:20:44,800
Okay. Yes.
532
00:20:44,867 --> 00:20:47,667
You want to tell me why
you sent that to her boss?
533
00:20:47,734 --> 00:20:48,767
- Well...
- [Judy] I mean,
534
00:20:48,834 --> 00:20:51,467
it's not telling that she's--
that she's a thief,
535
00:20:51,533 --> 00:20:53,066
you have to be careful of her.
536
00:20:53,133 --> 00:20:55,533
It's talking about sexual things.
537
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,066
Where's it saying sexual things in that?
538
00:20:57,133 --> 00:20:58,500
[Judy] Oh, very easy.
539
00:20:58,567 --> 00:21:03,533
You say she lies to her boss about cramps
while we lay in bed--
540
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,533
She is literally taking off of work
saying that she's you know, sick, or--
541
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:07,867
I'm asking you why.
542
00:21:07,934 --> 00:21:10,433
Why would you send this to her boss?
543
00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:12,367
It shows that she lies and manipulates
544
00:21:12,433 --> 00:21:14,133
and all sort of stuff to get her way.
545
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:15,266
- [Judy] Okay.
- The fact of the nature,
546
00:21:15,333 --> 00:21:17,300
I understand that,
I've been to prison and all sort of stuff.
547
00:21:17,367 --> 00:21:18,700
I can be the bad guy
and all that great stuff.
548
00:21:18,767 --> 00:21:19,834
I understand that.
549
00:21:19,900 --> 00:21:22,133
- I'm not saying she's a good person.
- [David] Correct.
550
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,433
- I'm not saying you're a bad person.
- [David] Correct.
551
00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:26,533
- She's got to pay for her phone.
- [David] Yes.
552
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,166
[Judy] You got to pay for this.
553
00:21:28,233 --> 00:21:30,934
Because I'm at a point
where I don't actually believe
554
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,200
that you didn't show some
555
00:21:32,266 --> 00:21:33,967
- photographs of her around that bar.
- [David] I did not.
556
00:21:34,033 --> 00:21:35,834
I don't believe that you didn't show
557
00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:37,934
some photographs of her around that bar.
558
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,533
- I'd never do such thing.
- [Judy] Just a second.
559
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,467
Well, the same person who would
never do such a thing
560
00:21:42,533 --> 00:21:45,400
- wrote to her boss that you were present
- [David] Yes.
561
00:21:45,467 --> 00:21:46,533
when she called her boss and said,
562
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,200
"I can't come to her
because I have cramps,"
563
00:21:48,266 --> 00:21:49,233
and she was laying in bed with you.
564
00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:50,300
- Correct.
- [Judy] Okay.
565
00:21:50,367 --> 00:21:52,600
And that same person wouldn't
show a picture.
566
00:21:52,667 --> 00:21:53,700
- [David] No. Totally different.
- A picture...
567
00:21:53,767 --> 00:21:54,867
Okay, good.
568
00:21:54,934 --> 00:21:57,533
On your counterclaim,
I am awarding you $5,000.
569
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,700
On your counterclaim from that,
I'm taking off $500
570
00:22:01,767 --> 00:22:04,533
that-- because you had no right
to trash his phone.
571
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,100
There are alternatives.
One of them is not trashing his phone.
572
00:22:07,166 --> 00:22:08,834
Therefore, ordering on the counterclaim
573
00:22:08,900 --> 00:22:12,233
a judgment for the
defendant in the amount of $4,500.
574
00:22:12,300 --> 00:22:14,467
Plaintiff's case is dismissed.
We're done. Thank you very much.
575
00:22:14,533 --> 00:22:15,633
Thank you, Your Honor.
576
00:22:15,700 --> 00:22:16,867
[bailiff]
This court is adjourned.
577
00:22:16,934 --> 00:22:17,967
♪
578
00:22:18,033 --> 00:22:19,066
{\an8}She gets away with it again.
579
00:22:19,133 --> 00:22:20,500
{\an8}The judge is very fair.
580
00:22:20,567 --> 00:22:23,266
{\an8}Unfortunately, he tried to make me
look like the bad guy,
581
00:22:23,333 --> 00:22:25,166
{\an8}but the judge
could see right through him.
582
00:22:25,233 --> 00:22:26,567
{\an8}Did I show her videos? Yes.
583
00:22:26,633 --> 00:22:28,333
{\an8}Why was she being irate over there
at Huntington Beach?
584
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,000
{\an8}That he's showing, um,
sexual videos of me and him.
585
00:22:31,066 --> 00:22:32,867
{\an8}The nudes and all that stuff, no.
586
00:22:32,934 --> 00:22:33,934
{\an8}Why would
I do something like that?
587
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:34,934
{\an8}I went black.
588
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:35,900
{\an8}And that's the only reason why
589
00:22:35,967 --> 00:22:37,533
{\an8}I threw the phone in the trash
in the first place.
590
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:38,734
{\an8}Because I felt helpless.
591
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,300
{\an8}She sold me on this
great person and everything,
592
00:22:40,367 --> 00:22:42,233
{\an8}but come to find out,
you know, it's not what it is.
593
00:22:42,300 --> 00:22:44,400
{\an8}I gotta just be more careful
with a phone around.
594
00:22:45,633 --> 00:22:48,300
I guess. Sarah,
it's because of my generation,
595
00:22:48,367 --> 00:22:50,367
but I've been saying for a very long time,
596
00:22:50,433 --> 00:22:53,133
even before the internet,
because, you know,
597
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,266
I was, in fact, young
at some point in my life.
598
00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:57,767
And they did have all kinds of cameras
599
00:22:57,834 --> 00:22:59,967
- and Polaroid cameras back in the day.
- Mm-hmm.
600
00:23:00,100 --> 00:23:05,800
But never take a photograph of
yourself or allow a photograph to be taken
601
00:23:05,867 --> 00:23:09,667
that you wouldn't like to see on
the front page of The New York Times.
602
00:23:09,734 --> 00:23:11,300
And now with social media,
603
00:23:11,367 --> 00:23:14,166
I think that that's
more true than ever.
604
00:23:14,233 --> 00:23:17,200
To me, why would you
post anything or take a picture,
605
00:23:17,266 --> 00:23:21,433
allow a picture to be taken
that might later embarrass you?
606
00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:24,934
I agree to an extent,
but I disagree with you that in this case,
607
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,100
because the defendant
mentioned that the plaintiff
608
00:23:27,166 --> 00:23:31,200
had taken some of this video
and photo without her permission.
609
00:23:31,266 --> 00:23:34,767
And I think that now it can
get a little bit blurry as to,
610
00:23:34,834 --> 00:23:36,734
"Well, I didn't approve my photo taken."
611
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,633
Obviously, a sexually-explicit photo
612
00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:39,967
getting sent to your boss
613
00:23:40,033 --> 00:23:41,800
is not the intended purpose of that photo.
614
00:23:41,867 --> 00:23:44,133
- I think whoever sends that photo,
- Right.
615
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,967
misdirecting the intention of the photo,
616
00:23:47,033 --> 00:23:48,700
is the one that
should be held accountable,
617
00:23:48,767 --> 00:23:51,900
not the person that was sending it
for a purpose of
618
00:23:51,967 --> 00:23:53,700
a long-distance relationship.
619
00:23:53,767 --> 00:23:56,100
There's many reasons why
now people might send photos
620
00:23:56,166 --> 00:23:57,734
that they wouldn't want plastered
621
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,266
on the front page of The New York Times,
622
00:23:59,333 --> 00:24:01,567
but as the recipient
of a photo like that--
623
00:24:01,633 --> 00:24:02,734
[Judy] You're not supposed
to republish it.
624
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,400
[Sarah] You have a responsibility,
625
00:24:04,467 --> 00:24:06,200
if you care enough about that person,
626
00:24:06,266 --> 00:24:09,533
to keep its intended purpose--
its intended purpose private.
627
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:10,967
- [Judy] I absolutely agree with you.
- Mm-hmm.
628
00:24:11,033 --> 00:24:12,367
But it is bad judgment.
629
00:24:12,433 --> 00:24:15,900
So I don't mind repeating at least,
my perspective,
630
00:24:15,967 --> 00:24:20,367
which is, if you don't want to
see it out there, don't take it.
631
00:24:20,433 --> 00:24:22,033
♪
632
00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:23,500
[narrator]
Have you been cheated?
633
00:24:23,567 --> 00:24:25,767
{\an8}Go to Judy Justice.tv.
634
00:24:25,834 --> 00:24:28,600
♪
635
00:24:30,433 --> 00:24:33,133
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