1 00:00:00,367 --> 00:00:03,367 You tested positive for serious drugs. 2 00:00:03,433 --> 00:00:05,367 While under the influence of those drugs 3 00:00:05,433 --> 00:00:07,400 you drove your children to the doctor's office 4 00:00:07,467 --> 00:00:08,467 And that... 5 00:00:08,533 --> 00:00:10,367 - I'm not finished yet. - Okay. 6 00:00:10,433 --> 00:00:13,734 Why would you feel comfortable about leaving your own children 7 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,767 with your sister if you felt that she neglected her own children? 8 00:00:17,834 --> 00:00:19,433 [Narrator] This is Judy Justice. 9 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,133 {\an8}Lucinda Noble is suing her sister 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,333 {\an8}Tiffany Acuna for rent and property damage. 11 00:00:42,967 --> 00:00:44,300 [Bailiff] Court come to order. 12 00:00:44,367 --> 00:00:45,367 All rise. 13 00:00:45,834 --> 00:00:46,934 Have a seat please. 14 00:00:48,467 --> 00:00:50,867 Case 2109, Noble versus Acuna. 15 00:00:50,934 --> 00:00:52,467 - Thank you. - You're welcome. 16 00:00:53,367 --> 00:00:54,934 [Judy] Ms. Noble, this is your sister? 17 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,000 Yes ma'am. 18 00:00:56,066 --> 00:00:57,100 [Judy] Older or younger? 19 00:00:57,166 --> 00:00:58,367 - Younger. - Any other siblings? 20 00:00:58,433 --> 00:00:59,433 Many. 21 00:00:59,500 --> 00:01:00,700 [Judy] How many? 22 00:01:00,767 --> 00:01:02,834 I have five sisters and four brothers. 23 00:01:02,900 --> 00:01:04,734 And you have kids. How many children do you have? 24 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:05,934 I have three daughters. 25 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,166 {\an8}[Judy] How old are they? 26 00:01:07,233 --> 00:01:09,166 {\an8}18, 15 and almost 12. 27 00:01:09,233 --> 00:01:10,233 {\an8}[Judy] And you? 28 00:01:10,367 --> 00:01:15,333 {\an8}I have three children, and they are 10, five, and two. 29 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:20,033 There came a time when, that was in August of 2021. 30 00:01:20,100 --> 00:01:22,300 According to your complaint, that you were having 31 00:01:22,367 --> 00:01:24,533 some housing difficulties with your children. 32 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:25,767 No, that's not true. 33 00:01:25,834 --> 00:01:28,367 Well, Ms. Noble, what led you to believe 34 00:01:28,433 --> 00:01:29,800 that your sister was having 35 00:01:29,867 --> 00:01:31,100 some housing difficulty? 36 00:01:31,166 --> 00:01:33,867 Because you start your complaint by indicating 37 00:01:33,934 --> 00:01:35,834 {\an8}that she was about to become homeless. 38 00:01:35,900 --> 00:01:39,200 {\an8}Her house that she was living in was being put up for sale. 39 00:01:39,266 --> 00:01:42,467 So the house that you had been renting? 40 00:01:42,533 --> 00:01:43,533 Correct. 41 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:44,667 [Judy] For how long? 42 00:01:44,734 --> 00:01:46,667 About two years. I'm not really sure. It was while... 43 00:01:46,734 --> 00:01:47,800 It was being sold? 44 00:01:47,867 --> 00:01:50,233 Well, I didn't know that until I gave her my notice, 45 00:01:50,300 --> 00:01:53,000 after I'd previously asked my sister if we should move in. 46 00:01:53,066 --> 00:01:57,200 So you approached her about you moving in with her? 47 00:01:57,266 --> 00:01:58,266 Yes, correct. 48 00:01:58,333 --> 00:02:00,400 - And do you own your own home, Ms. Noble? - I do. 49 00:02:00,467 --> 00:02:01,800 [Judy] Where you were living, 50 00:02:01,867 --> 00:02:04,433 you were living there alone with your three children? 51 00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:05,500 - Yes. - Okay. 52 00:02:05,567 --> 00:02:07,433 - And how much rent were you paying? - 750. 53 00:02:07,500 --> 00:02:10,300 And when you decided to move in with your sister, 54 00:02:10,367 --> 00:02:12,066 what rent was discussed? 55 00:02:12,133 --> 00:02:15,066 {\an8}Well, she had told me about 400 is what she wanted. 56 00:02:15,133 --> 00:02:19,400 {\an8}Okay, so she said the rent was $400 per month. 57 00:02:19,467 --> 00:02:22,266 - And that was starting August 1st? - Right. 58 00:02:22,333 --> 00:02:26,200 So this is what's part of this case is about, part of the case is about rent. 59 00:02:26,266 --> 00:02:30,300 You lived with your sister from August 1st, 2021, 60 00:02:30,367 --> 00:02:34,867 to a date in 2022 when you finally removed all of your property. 61 00:02:34,934 --> 00:02:37,266 Kindof. I did not remove all of my property, 62 00:02:37,333 --> 00:02:39,700 but I removed what she allowed me to-- 63 00:02:39,767 --> 00:02:41,300 [Judy] To remove. On what date? 64 00:02:41,367 --> 00:02:44,633 I'm gonna say it was mid May. I'm not sure-- 65 00:02:44,700 --> 00:02:46,367 [Judy] May of 2022? 66 00:02:46,433 --> 00:02:47,433 Mm-hmm. 67 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:50,200 So we have August, September, October, November, December, 68 00:02:50,266 --> 00:02:53,734 January, February, March, April, May. 69 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,734 So between nine and 10 months. 70 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,767 For the nine or 10 months that you were there, 71 00:02:58,834 --> 00:03:02,533 how many times did you pay her $400 in rent? 72 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,133 - Um... - She's gonna have a list. 73 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,800 - And I have a list too of our-- - And you have a list. 74 00:03:06,867 --> 00:03:10,033 So why don't you take a look at it and gimme the exact number of months. 75 00:03:10,100 --> 00:03:13,900 The time I paid her 400, it was, I think only one time. 76 00:03:13,967 --> 00:03:16,767 And there was other times I paid her different amounts, but our agreement 77 00:03:16,834 --> 00:03:20,333 was because I bought all the groceries, we just kept track on this app, 78 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,667 {\an8}which has a list. I paid way over 400 in total. 79 00:03:23,734 --> 00:03:25,834 - {\an8}- - Well... - So our agreement had changed... 80 00:03:25,900 --> 00:03:27,133 - Just a second. - Okay. 81 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,800 - You have an app 10 months? - Mm-hmm. 82 00:03:29,867 --> 00:03:32,934 [Judy] How much did you spend on that app? 83 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,567 12,000 and something is right in here on the list. 84 00:03:35,633 --> 00:03:37,600 Take a look, cause you're gonna show it to me. 85 00:03:37,667 --> 00:03:41,266 I pay total $10,411. 86 00:03:41,333 --> 00:03:43,066 Okay. And she? 87 00:03:43,133 --> 00:03:46,633 She, total was 11,291. 88 00:03:46,700 --> 00:03:51,400 And that was to cover groceries, food, gas money. 89 00:03:51,467 --> 00:03:52,667 Her phone was under mine. 90 00:03:52,734 --> 00:03:55,400 This is something that I'm going to have to simplify. 91 00:03:55,934 --> 00:03:59,867 There came a time when there were issues with regard to you not paying 92 00:03:59,934 --> 00:04:01,967 her $400 a month rent. 93 00:04:02,033 --> 00:04:04,533 And you discussed it with her. Correct? 94 00:04:04,967 --> 00:04:07,633 - And in what month was that? - April. 95 00:04:07,700 --> 00:04:11,066 {\an8}It was before April. It was before I had gone on vacation. 96 00:04:11,133 --> 00:04:13,200 {\an8}[Judy] What month and year? 97 00:04:13,266 --> 00:04:15,133 December of 2021. 98 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,000 So what I'm reading, in December of 2021, 99 00:04:18,767 --> 00:04:22,533 you had a dispute about how much you were spending, 100 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,834 how much you weren't spending, 101 00:04:24,900 --> 00:04:29,934 and that $400 was not being forthcoming just for rent. 102 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,233 You see, I can understand that the two of you decided to split bills, 103 00:04:34,300 --> 00:04:36,400 everything other than the $400 rent. 104 00:04:36,467 --> 00:04:38,934 You each have three children. You've two adults. 105 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,100 Let's get to December. 106 00:04:40,166 --> 00:04:42,233 Was it the beginning or middle of December 107 00:04:42,300 --> 00:04:45,266 that you had this discussion about, just paying $400 a month? 108 00:04:45,333 --> 00:04:46,867 - And we'll deal with it. - Maybe the middle. 109 00:04:46,934 --> 00:04:50,066 Okay, so we have January, February, March, April, 110 00:04:50,133 --> 00:04:51,567 and you moved out May? 111 00:04:51,633 --> 00:04:53,633 Correct, I was kicked out illegally, yes. 112 00:04:53,700 --> 00:04:54,700 [Judy] In May. 113 00:04:54,767 --> 00:04:56,533 - Yep. - Left in May. So that's five months. 114 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,467 It was suggested by your landlord that just give me $400 a month 115 00:05:01,533 --> 00:05:02,834 and we'll split groceries. 116 00:05:02,900 --> 00:05:05,333 - In April. I have the proof of the text. - Just a second. 117 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,800 So we have January, February, March and April. 118 00:05:08,867 --> 00:05:10,100 Four months. 119 00:05:10,166 --> 00:05:13,033 Did you give her $400 a month for those four months? 120 00:05:13,100 --> 00:05:15,000 No, but it was never discussed before then. 121 00:05:15,066 --> 00:05:17,233 I have the proof that it was discussed in April. 122 00:05:17,300 --> 00:05:18,900 - I'd like to see it. - Thank you. 123 00:05:18,967 --> 00:05:22,166 - It was discussed in April again. - Okay. Just a second. 124 00:05:22,233 --> 00:05:25,133 I just wanna see the proof, well, show me if you have proof 125 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:26,633 of an earlier conversation. 126 00:05:26,700 --> 00:05:27,700 - I don't. - I believe 127 00:05:27,767 --> 00:05:31,266 that there was an earlier conversation. Let me see the one that occurred in April. 128 00:05:31,333 --> 00:05:32,700 It was mainly the receipts. 129 00:05:32,767 --> 00:05:34,467 I'm not getting involved with that at all. 130 00:05:34,533 --> 00:05:37,200 Right now, you had a place to live, your three children, 131 00:05:37,266 --> 00:05:42,433 for much less than the $750 a month that you were paying at another residence. 132 00:05:42,500 --> 00:05:45,900 Right. And I spent way more on groceries. I did all the grocery jobs. 133 00:05:45,967 --> 00:05:47,967 Whatever! Your children didn't eat more. 134 00:05:48,033 --> 00:05:50,133 Right, and my children didn't live there the full time. 135 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:51,200 [Judy] I don't care. 136 00:05:51,266 --> 00:05:52,834 Okay, I'm sorry. Can I look on my phone? 137 00:05:52,900 --> 00:05:55,734 Is that, it might be faster. Is that okay if I show you text? 138 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,033 I don't care where you show it to me just show it to me. 139 00:05:58,100 --> 00:05:59,900 Thank you. Oh, I'm sorry. 140 00:05:59,967 --> 00:06:02,533 Oh yeah, yeah. Apologies. 141 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,066 Okay. Apologies, sorry. 142 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,667 On April 24th. 143 00:06:08,734 --> 00:06:12,433 And then you can scroll down 'cause she kind keeps for a couple days. 144 00:06:22,266 --> 00:06:24,133 Oh, that wasn't an agreement, madam. 145 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,133 These were final acts of desperation to get you to pay $400 a month. 146 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,266 - Here. - That was the first time I'd heard. 147 00:06:30,333 --> 00:06:31,333 Yeah, about her... 148 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,934 Oh, no, no, no, no, that wasn't the first time you heard about it. 149 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,533 - Right? - Because the first line is, 150 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,900 $400 better be under my door. 151 00:06:37,967 --> 00:06:39,000 Right. 152 00:06:39,066 --> 00:06:41,967 So that's not the first time you heard about it. 153 00:06:42,033 --> 00:06:44,467 - Right. - That's an act of desperation. 154 00:06:44,533 --> 00:06:47,800 Okay, so you had this conversation with her in December 155 00:06:48,300 --> 00:06:49,900 and she was there until May. 156 00:06:49,967 --> 00:06:53,166 And according to you, you only paid $400 once. 157 00:06:53,233 --> 00:06:54,633 That's $2,000. 158 00:06:54,700 --> 00:06:57,033 By the way, how are your children supported? 159 00:06:57,100 --> 00:06:59,300 I work. Well, I work, yes. 160 00:06:59,367 --> 00:07:01,600 Is that a full-time job or a part-time job? 161 00:07:01,667 --> 00:07:02,667 It was part-time. 162 00:07:02,734 --> 00:07:05,734 You don't support yourself and your three children with a part-time job. 163 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,734 Do you get any child support for them? 164 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,934 I do get child support for two of them, yes. 165 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,066 - For two of them? - Mm-hmm. 166 00:07:11,133 --> 00:07:13,467 - How much child support do you receive? - 300. 167 00:07:13,533 --> 00:07:15,367 - 300 a what? - A month. 168 00:07:15,433 --> 00:07:17,033 Do you get any other assistance? 169 00:07:17,100 --> 00:07:18,500 Yes. I have food stamps. 170 00:07:18,567 --> 00:07:20,667 [Judy] Mm-hmm. Do you still have food stamps? 171 00:07:20,734 --> 00:07:22,633 - Yes. - How much a month? 172 00:07:22,700 --> 00:07:25,100 Four something. I'm not exactly sure. 173 00:07:25,166 --> 00:07:27,300 And when you bought food for the household, 174 00:07:27,367 --> 00:07:30,433 you used the food stamps as well as your other money 175 00:07:30,500 --> 00:07:31,633 from your part-time job? 176 00:07:31,700 --> 00:07:33,567 - Sometimes, yes. - Got it, $400. 177 00:07:33,633 --> 00:07:37,333 So far you owe your sister $2,000. That's for back rent. 178 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:42,100 Now you wanna go through the damages that you alleged that your sister caused? 179 00:07:42,166 --> 00:07:48,100 Yes. So I had two couches and those went away. 180 00:07:48,166 --> 00:07:50,233 What do you mean both went away? What does that mean? 181 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:53,300 - She got rid of them. - While she was living there? 182 00:07:53,367 --> 00:07:55,166 - Mm-hmm. - And you knew about it? 183 00:07:55,233 --> 00:07:56,233 {\an8}In what month? 184 00:07:56,300 --> 00:08:00,133 {\an8}It was when I came back from vacation, my things were gone. 185 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,333 I'm not following, you were supposed to be gone for two weeks according to her 186 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,000 No, I was gone for three and a half weeks. 187 00:08:05,066 --> 00:08:08,934 [Judy] You were gone for almost a month. She was babysitting for your children. 188 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,333 They don't really need babysat. They're older. 189 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,000 Well, your 12 year old can't live 190 00:08:14,066 --> 00:08:16,633 by herself without a mother for a month? 191 00:08:16,700 --> 00:08:17,700 - No. - Okay. 192 00:08:17,767 --> 00:08:19,900 And your 18 year old does what? 193 00:08:19,967 --> 00:08:21,233 She works at a hotel. 194 00:08:21,300 --> 00:08:23,400 So she works during the day or at night? 195 00:08:23,467 --> 00:08:25,967 {\an8}She didn't at the time. She was at 17 at the time. 196 00:08:26,033 --> 00:08:29,800 {\an8}You're not gonna leave a 17, a 14, and an 11 year old alone for a month. 197 00:08:29,867 --> 00:08:31,000 - Of course not. - Okay. 198 00:08:31,066 --> 00:08:33,000 [Judy] So they'd been home with your sister. 199 00:08:33,066 --> 00:08:35,166 - Yes. - Let's get back to the initial question. 200 00:08:35,233 --> 00:08:38,233 I forgot what my question was before I went off on this tangent. 201 00:08:38,300 --> 00:08:39,867 - Couches. - The couches, yes. 202 00:08:39,934 --> 00:08:41,033 - That's where we're at. - Yes. 203 00:08:41,100 --> 00:08:42,800 - So you went away for a month? - Mm-hmm. 204 00:08:42,867 --> 00:08:45,100 And when you came back, couches were gone. 205 00:08:45,166 --> 00:08:49,033 Couches, like the whole house had transformed 206 00:08:49,100 --> 00:08:51,734 into basically her house. 207 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,667 I don't care basically her house. I wanna know what was missing. 208 00:08:54,734 --> 00:08:56,066 So the couches were missing. 209 00:08:56,133 --> 00:08:57,834 Okay. Which couches? Couches from where? 210 00:08:57,900 --> 00:08:59,233 So the couch from the living room, 211 00:08:59,300 --> 00:09:01,533 it was a sectional in the couch from the basement. 212 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,867 Living room and basement, what happened to those couches? 213 00:09:03,934 --> 00:09:07,233 {\an8}Oh, they were gone a long time before, and I can prove a text of her saying... 214 00:09:07,300 --> 00:09:09,467 {\an8}They were gone before I even moved in actually in August. 215 00:09:09,533 --> 00:09:12,367 She knew and her daughter and her boyfriend helped me load them up 216 00:09:12,433 --> 00:09:13,433 and take him to the dump. 217 00:09:13,500 --> 00:09:15,100 She in fact told me she was getting rid 218 00:09:15,166 --> 00:09:17,533 of a lot of old furniture she did not care about. 219 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,500 - I have a picture... - Just a second, what you have is proof 220 00:09:20,567 --> 00:09:25,900 that those two items were disposed of before she went away on vacation. 221 00:09:25,967 --> 00:09:28,033 - Way before, before I moved in. - Okay. 222 00:09:28,100 --> 00:09:33,367 Now Ms. Noble, your sister says that she has proof that those two couches 223 00:09:33,433 --> 00:09:37,066 were disposed of well before you went away on vacation. 224 00:09:37,133 --> 00:09:39,800 If she does, I'm not gonna be happy with you. 225 00:09:39,867 --> 00:09:41,266 - Do you understand? - Mm-hmm. 226 00:09:41,333 --> 00:09:45,767 Were those two couches gone before you went on vacation? 227 00:09:45,834 --> 00:09:49,734 I can't recall, but I believe she wanted to make room for her furniture. 228 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,567 Uh, just a second. The ha-ha. 229 00:09:51,633 --> 00:09:57,600 Were those two couches gone before you went on vacation for a month? 230 00:09:57,667 --> 00:09:59,900 - I know the basement couch wasn't. - Okay. 231 00:09:59,967 --> 00:10:01,600 I think you're full of baloney. 232 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,033 {\an8}She started giving my niece video games, movies, my food storage containers. 233 00:10:08,100 --> 00:10:10,100 - {\an8}- - She was just giving my things away. - Okay. 234 00:10:10,166 --> 00:10:13,967 {\an8}I went to graduate school after I finished with high school for nine years. 235 00:10:14,033 --> 00:10:15,700 {\an8}I'm not dealing with Tupperware. 236 00:10:26,700 --> 00:10:30,734 {\an8}[Narrator] Lucinda Noble claims her sister Tiffany Acuna, 237 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,200 owes for rent and property damage. 238 00:10:33,266 --> 00:10:38,433 Tiffany is counter suing for an illegal lockout and filing a false CPS report. 239 00:10:39,033 --> 00:10:40,567 Okay, let's go. 240 00:10:40,633 --> 00:10:42,333 "Property taken without permission." 241 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,934 What property did she take without your permission? 242 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,367 - Okay, so the... - So far she owes you for rent. 243 00:10:47,433 --> 00:10:51,834 The TV stand, she broke it, and threw it under the trampoline. 244 00:10:52,266 --> 00:10:54,100 - What's next? - The weed trimmer. 245 00:10:54,166 --> 00:10:58,400 She took that, she started giving my niece my belongings while I was gone. 246 00:10:58,467 --> 00:11:02,700 {\an8}She started giving my niece video games, movies, my food storage containers. 247 00:11:02,767 --> 00:11:04,667 - {\an8}- - She was just giving my things away. - Okay. 248 00:11:04,734 --> 00:11:07,533 She owes you for rent? I went to graduate school after I finished 249 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,066 with high school for nine years. I'm not dealing with Tupperware. 250 00:11:11,133 --> 00:11:13,467 So far she owes you $2,000 for rent. 251 00:11:13,533 --> 00:11:16,233 Okay. And then there was also the wall damage, 252 00:11:16,300 --> 00:11:17,834 the windows, the lines. 253 00:11:17,900 --> 00:11:19,900 Well, just a second. Just a second. 254 00:11:19,967 --> 00:11:21,567 What wall damage and where? 255 00:11:21,633 --> 00:11:24,133 The wall damage is from the room that she was staying in, 256 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:25,934 and the room that her boys were staying in. 257 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,333 May I see the damage that you're referring to? 258 00:11:33,066 --> 00:11:35,000 Here's the one wall of that. 259 00:11:35,066 --> 00:11:36,667 And then here's the blinds, 260 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,367 and this's those damages from her cat. 261 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:49,467 Well this, I can't see it all. 262 00:11:49,533 --> 00:11:51,166 Okay. So that I can't see it all. 263 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,266 And if you're talking about nail holes, I'm not interested in nail holes, 264 00:11:55,333 --> 00:11:57,467 where there were pictures cutting them up. 265 00:11:57,533 --> 00:11:59,967 I don't know what this is a picture of. Tell me. 266 00:12:00,100 --> 00:12:03,767 That's where her cat clawed up the carpet to get into her room. 267 00:12:03,834 --> 00:12:05,867 - Did you replace the carpet? - Not yet. 268 00:12:05,934 --> 00:12:09,533 {\an8}Do you have an estimate for replacing or patching that carpet? 269 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,967 - {\an8}- - They don't make that carpet anymore. - Okay. 270 00:12:12,967 --> 00:12:14,500 {\an8}How did these blinds get broken? 271 00:12:14,567 --> 00:12:17,033 I'm not sure. Are those the ones that were in my bedroom 272 00:12:17,100 --> 00:12:20,900 or the kids' bedroom? I really don't know to be honest. 273 00:12:20,967 --> 00:12:24,033 But I do feel like I remember them being broken, but I just don't remember 274 00:12:24,100 --> 00:12:26,333 if they were broken when I already moved in or not. 275 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:27,900 I really don't know, ma'am. 276 00:12:27,967 --> 00:12:31,233 I mean, honestly, I knew they were broken. It's all like I'm remembering. 277 00:12:31,300 --> 00:12:34,433 But the house, like I said, was not in a good condition when I moved in. 278 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:36,867 Okay, I'm not talking about the rest of the house. 279 00:12:36,934 --> 00:12:38,834 - Right. - My daughter is actually, 280 00:12:38,900 --> 00:12:41,000 Tiffany told her that she knew they were... 281 00:12:41,066 --> 00:12:43,633 Shush. She doesn't remember 282 00:12:43,700 --> 00:12:46,567 You tell me that these blinds were in good condition 283 00:12:46,633 --> 00:12:48,600 before she and her family moved in. 284 00:12:48,667 --> 00:12:50,567 - Yes. - She says she doesn't remember. 285 00:12:50,633 --> 00:12:55,333 I have to rely on what you say to me, because that's not ordinary wear and tear. 286 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,033 - No. - Do you have a bill for new blinds? 287 00:12:58,100 --> 00:12:59,734 From Lowe's... 288 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:04,100 I have the estimate of what it will cost to replace them. 289 00:13:04,166 --> 00:13:05,600 Okay. I'd like to see it. 290 00:13:08,533 --> 00:13:11,333 - You do have a cat? - Yes, I have one cat. 291 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,433 - [Judy] Okay. - She has multiple. 292 00:13:15,900 --> 00:13:19,066 So we're talking about $47.98? 293 00:13:19,133 --> 00:13:20,467 - Times two. - Okay. 294 00:13:20,533 --> 00:13:21,834 Anything else? Any other... 295 00:13:21,900 --> 00:13:23,166 [Lucinda] For two blinds. 296 00:13:23,233 --> 00:13:25,800 - I only see one. - No, those are two different windows. 297 00:13:25,867 --> 00:13:28,000 Oh, times two. 298 00:13:28,066 --> 00:13:29,567 You're right. Anything else? 299 00:13:29,633 --> 00:13:32,166 I have to remove the junk that she left at my house. 300 00:13:32,233 --> 00:13:34,000 - I was not allowed at her house. - What else? 301 00:13:34,066 --> 00:13:37,066 Okay, if you have to think that hard then we're finished. 302 00:13:37,133 --> 00:13:39,166 We're moving over to the countersuit. 303 00:13:39,233 --> 00:13:41,567 Counter claim is for an illegal lockout. 304 00:13:41,633 --> 00:13:46,066 Okay, let me run through this illegal lockout and dispose of it quickly. 305 00:13:46,133 --> 00:13:51,166 The illegal lockout that you are referring to happened when your sister, 306 00:13:51,233 --> 00:13:54,233 who shouldn't have, took the door off your bedroom. 307 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:55,367 Correct? 308 00:13:55,433 --> 00:13:58,467 [Judy] She says she took the door off your bedroom 309 00:13:58,533 --> 00:14:01,834 because you weren't paying close enough attention to your children. 310 00:14:01,900 --> 00:14:02,900 {\an8}Right. 311 00:14:02,967 --> 00:14:06,200 {\an8}[Judy] And I assume she's talking about the two year old. 312 00:14:06,266 --> 00:14:07,266 Correct. 313 00:14:07,333 --> 00:14:11,000 And when she took the door off your bedroom, you called the police? 314 00:14:11,066 --> 00:14:12,700 Right. Yep. I called the police. 315 00:14:12,767 --> 00:14:15,133 - I have the incident report. - The office, yes, you called the police? 316 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,100 And the police came. And when the police came on. 317 00:14:18,166 --> 00:14:20,734 - Do we have the date? - 26th of April. 318 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,633 The police arrived and they told her she couldn't lock the door, 319 00:14:23,700 --> 00:14:24,900 and you were let in? 320 00:14:24,967 --> 00:14:26,433 - Correct. - Okay. 321 00:14:26,500 --> 00:14:30,533 So not egregious enough for me to have to deal with two sisters fighting. 322 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,000 But the other part of your claim is that your sister 323 00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:37,033 filed a false CPS report 324 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:38,100 Right. 325 00:14:38,166 --> 00:14:42,166 And first, how do you know a CPS report was called in? 326 00:14:42,233 --> 00:14:45,033 {\an8}Well, they called me, real quick... 327 00:14:45,100 --> 00:14:46,734 {\an8}[Judy] Child Protective Services. 328 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,033 Right, they did call me, 329 00:14:48,100 --> 00:14:50,500 but first I actually had the phone call from my sister, 330 00:14:50,567 --> 00:14:53,100 my witness, who is here right now, because she had pre-warned me, 331 00:14:53,166 --> 00:14:55,667 because she had gotten the phone call from the sister 332 00:14:55,734 --> 00:14:57,967 saying Lucy is going to call on you. 333 00:14:58,033 --> 00:14:59,567 Okay. Do you wanna step up? 334 00:14:59,633 --> 00:15:00,867 - Sure. - Tell me your name. 335 00:15:00,934 --> 00:15:03,934 My name Stephanie Aslett. I'm the older sister of these two. 336 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,166 {\an8}When did you have a conversation with Ms. Noble 337 00:15:09,233 --> 00:15:11,500 {\an8}about the defendant's children? 338 00:15:11,567 --> 00:15:13,633 {\an8}The same night that the cops were called. 339 00:15:13,700 --> 00:15:16,300 Tiffany had called me because Lucy's daughter 340 00:15:16,367 --> 00:15:18,300 had crawled through the window and opened the door. 341 00:15:18,367 --> 00:15:20,567 - So you spoke to Lucinda? - Yes. 342 00:15:20,633 --> 00:15:22,133 - On April 26th? - Yes. 343 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,100 - Did you call her or did she call you? - She had called me 344 00:15:25,166 --> 00:15:27,700 because she wanted to let me know that the cops have been involved. 345 00:15:27,767 --> 00:15:29,767 - Do you recall that conversation? - Yes, I do. 346 00:15:29,834 --> 00:15:31,467 [Judy] Okay. Tell me about the conversation. 347 00:15:31,533 --> 00:15:33,767 She called to let me know that she was letting me know 348 00:15:33,834 --> 00:15:37,066 that since I was the only one probably capable or in this position 349 00:15:37,133 --> 00:15:41,000 to take on a child if CPS was involved, because the two year old 350 00:15:41,066 --> 00:15:44,100 would not be able to go to his father, he was in prison at the time. 351 00:15:44,166 --> 00:15:46,367 And I was like, "why are you calling and tell me this? 352 00:15:46,433 --> 00:15:48,166 Tiffany's a good mom, what's going on?" 353 00:15:48,233 --> 00:15:49,233 And she goes, "No, she's not. 354 00:15:49,300 --> 00:15:52,867 I've already called CPS and forewarned them that this is happening. 355 00:15:52,934 --> 00:15:54,600 She needs to be taken care of." 356 00:15:54,667 --> 00:15:55,667 What's happening? 357 00:15:55,734 --> 00:15:59,066 Apparently there was lice on her daughter when she was at her father's house. 358 00:15:59,133 --> 00:16:02,300 And the two year old, apparently he was running around with a wet diaper 359 00:16:02,367 --> 00:16:04,266 Who was taken to their father's house? 360 00:16:04,333 --> 00:16:06,567 {\an8}The daughter that had the lice was, that was... 361 00:16:06,633 --> 00:16:08,633 - {\an8}- - The daughter was the five year old? - Yes. 362 00:16:08,700 --> 00:16:10,367 - {\an8}- - Okay, not the two year old? - Yeah. 363 00:16:10,433 --> 00:16:13,033 She supposed had lice while she was at her dad's. 364 00:16:13,100 --> 00:16:16,266 Went to her father's. And that was sometime in April, 365 00:16:16,333 --> 00:16:17,333 is that correct? 366 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,300 - Yes. - And got head lice? 367 00:16:19,734 --> 00:16:22,533 Well, he had told me, I wasn't for sure, but I let my sister know 368 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,834 just in case that "she may have lice, let's check the girls." 369 00:16:25,900 --> 00:16:28,166 Okay. And your sister was home at the time? 370 00:16:28,233 --> 00:16:31,467 Well, no, she was never home. Everything was over a text message. 371 00:16:31,533 --> 00:16:33,633 Just a second. Was that when she was away? 372 00:16:33,700 --> 00:16:35,533 - Um... - She was not staying at the house. 373 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,033 - Hmm? - She was not at the residence. 374 00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:39,066 She was staying at her boyfriend's house that was there. 375 00:16:39,133 --> 00:16:41,266 Lucinda was staying at her boyfriend's house? 376 00:16:41,333 --> 00:16:43,633 - Yes. - Okay, and that's on 26th? 377 00:16:43,700 --> 00:16:45,800 - Yes. - Is that after the police were called? 378 00:16:45,867 --> 00:16:48,600 That was prior to, supposedly the lice was prior to, 379 00:16:48,667 --> 00:16:51,233 and that's why she had called them prior to that night. 380 00:16:51,300 --> 00:16:53,467 And she was letting me know that she had called them, 381 00:16:53,533 --> 00:16:55,967 and that I needed to be prepared to take on a two year old. 382 00:16:56,033 --> 00:16:57,033 What did you tell her? 383 00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:59,767 I asked her why she would call them, what was going on. 384 00:16:59,834 --> 00:17:03,200 And I said, "This is ridiculous, you know that this is ridiculous." 385 00:17:03,266 --> 00:17:05,834 And she goes, "No, it's justified." 386 00:17:05,900 --> 00:17:07,867 And I said, "I don't understand." 387 00:17:07,934 --> 00:17:09,200 Did she tell you why? 388 00:17:09,266 --> 00:17:11,000 Yeah, she tried to tell me that uh... 389 00:17:11,066 --> 00:17:13,166 Well, tell me exactly what she said to you. Why is this... 390 00:17:13,233 --> 00:17:16,233 She made the comment that "Tiffany hadn't been there." 391 00:17:16,300 --> 00:17:17,834 Okay. You had to ask her why? 392 00:17:17,900 --> 00:17:20,967 My words to her were, "How do you know this when you're never there?" 393 00:17:21,033 --> 00:17:22,533 - And she said? - "I just know." 394 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,467 - And gave you no more specifics? - No. 395 00:17:24,533 --> 00:17:27,166 Okay, do you wanna tell me about that conversation? 396 00:17:27,233 --> 00:17:30,900 {\an8}I never said I was calling CPS. I said someone will. 397 00:17:30,967 --> 00:17:33,700 I know the person who did, it wasn't me. 398 00:17:33,767 --> 00:17:34,967 [Judy] Okay. Well... 399 00:17:35,033 --> 00:17:36,834 But I knew it was going to be happening. 400 00:17:36,900 --> 00:17:40,533 Okay, Stephanie, let's get clear. Okay? 401 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,533 When you spoke to Lucinda and she said to you, 402 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,400 in effect "are you you prepared to take on a two-year-old." 403 00:17:47,467 --> 00:17:51,333 Did she tell you that "someone" was calling CPS? 404 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:52,400 No, she did not. 405 00:17:52,467 --> 00:17:54,834 She said that she would be the one calling and that she has already 406 00:17:54,900 --> 00:17:57,567 contacted them because of the situation at her home. 407 00:17:57,633 --> 00:18:01,567 Okay. Now, assuming you and your sister lived alone together, 408 00:18:01,633 --> 00:18:04,533 whether you spent time with your boyfriend or not, you have those kids, 409 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:05,633 but you were away. 410 00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:08,333 When you were away for that month. Were you staying with your boyfriend? 411 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:09,433 - Yes. - Okay. 412 00:18:09,500 --> 00:18:11,600 And you left your kids alone, correct? 413 00:18:11,667 --> 00:18:12,834 With my sister. 414 00:18:12,900 --> 00:18:14,700 - With your sister? - Mm-hmm 415 00:18:14,767 --> 00:18:19,166 Why would you feel comfortable about leaving your own children with your sister 416 00:18:19,233 --> 00:18:22,133 if you felt that she neglected her own children? 417 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:26,233 They didn't need the amount of care that a two year old does. 418 00:18:26,300 --> 00:18:30,834 Are you telling me that a 15 year old doesn't need a lot of care 419 00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:33,000 and watching these days? 420 00:18:33,066 --> 00:18:36,000 Or a 12 year old, or an 11 year old 421 00:18:36,066 --> 00:18:39,500 doesn't need a lot of watching and supervising? 422 00:18:39,567 --> 00:18:43,000 - Is that what you're suggesting to me? - Not as much as a two year old. 423 00:18:43,066 --> 00:18:47,633 Well, one is a physical watching to make sure that it eats 424 00:18:47,700 --> 00:18:51,033 and drinks and is bathed periodically. 425 00:18:51,100 --> 00:18:54,200 The other two are far more difficult. 426 00:18:54,266 --> 00:18:59,834 You gotta have eyes all over the place to watch a 15 year old and an 11 year old. 427 00:18:59,900 --> 00:19:03,700 Gotta have your eyes on their computer. You have your eyes on their iPad. 428 00:19:03,767 --> 00:19:05,834 You have to your eyes on their schooling, 429 00:19:05,900 --> 00:19:07,734 on their homework, on their everything else. 430 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,100 You take a month to go off with your boyfriend. 431 00:19:10,166 --> 00:19:12,800 That to me is not participating with your children. 432 00:19:12,867 --> 00:19:17,900 Especially since you suggest that your sister with whom you left 433 00:19:17,967 --> 00:19:21,066 your children was neglecting her own children. 434 00:19:21,133 --> 00:19:24,734 Your Honor, I would just like to say that I was reaching out to her 435 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,100 a lot of the time too, where I would get, one week, there was nothing. 436 00:19:28,166 --> 00:19:30,033 She said, "Sorry, I had no WiFi." 437 00:19:30,100 --> 00:19:31,667 Her children were skipping school. 438 00:19:31,734 --> 00:19:34,533 They were not listening to me. They would not do their chores. 439 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,667 Do I need you to reinforce what I just said? 440 00:19:36,734 --> 00:19:37,934 Right, I'm... 441 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,967 I don't need you to reinforce what I just said. 442 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,333 {\an8}You would had a history with methamphetamines. 443 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,066 {\an8}You refuse to meet with case workers according to the report you gave me. 444 00:19:49,133 --> 00:19:51,467 {\an8}I have other reports too, if I may please. 445 00:19:51,533 --> 00:19:53,266 - {\an8}- - I'm not done. Just... - Thank you. 446 00:19:53,333 --> 00:19:54,834 {\an8}I'm not finished. 447 00:20:06,166 --> 00:20:09,266 {\an8}[Narrator] Lucinda Noble is accusing her sister, 448 00:20:09,333 --> 00:20:12,700 {\an8}Tiffany Acuna of refusing to pay for rent. 449 00:20:12,767 --> 00:20:18,033 Tiffany claims Lucinda wrongfully reported her to Child Protective Services. 450 00:20:18,100 --> 00:20:20,100 Now... You have something you wanna say? 451 00:20:20,166 --> 00:20:21,500 Many things, actually. 452 00:20:21,567 --> 00:20:24,133 Well, many things. I don't want many things. 453 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,800 What I want, stand up. 454 00:20:25,867 --> 00:20:28,033 What I want to know is, you're her daughter? 455 00:20:28,100 --> 00:20:29,500 Yes. [Judy] Your first name? 456 00:20:29,567 --> 00:20:31,567 Anna Noble. [Judy] Anna, what do you do? 457 00:20:31,633 --> 00:20:34,367 - I work front desk at a hotel. - Graduate from high school? 458 00:20:34,433 --> 00:20:35,433 - No. - [Judy] Why? 459 00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:38,166 I was pulled out and moved to Missouri. 460 00:20:38,233 --> 00:20:39,633 [Judy] Pulled out by whom? 461 00:20:39,700 --> 00:20:40,834 - By your mother? - Yeah. 462 00:20:40,900 --> 00:20:43,600 And when your mother pulled you out, how old were you? 463 00:20:43,667 --> 00:20:46,033 - 17. - Had you been going to school before? 464 00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:48,333 - Yes. - [Judy] In what jurisdiction? 465 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:49,834 It was alternative school. 466 00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:52,934 When you say an alternative school, what kind of an alternative school? 467 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,233 For troubled youth. 468 00:20:54,300 --> 00:20:56,166 Tell me about your trouble. 469 00:20:56,233 --> 00:20:58,734 Was it behavior trouble? 'Cause you seem... 470 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,934 {\an8}It was many things. I was a very wild teenager. 471 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,000 {\an8}I... 472 00:21:04,066 --> 00:21:06,533 {\an8}Until when were you a wild teenager? 473 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,333 Until I sent her to live with her dad. 474 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,333 I didn't ask you any questions. So now you can sit down. 475 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,633 - Okay. - I'm not going into anything else. 476 00:21:13,700 --> 00:21:18,133 Lucinda, so far you went away for a month with your boyfriend. 477 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,133 Leaving your three children, who you say don't need supervision. 478 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,734 How long were you home before you took the door off her bedroom? 479 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,367 I got back from vacation in February, early February. 480 00:21:29,433 --> 00:21:32,333 And the door was removed in April for a few hours. 481 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,300 Okay, do you have any proof other than this conversation 482 00:21:35,367 --> 00:21:37,133 that the plaintiff called CPS? 483 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,767 {\an8}I believe it is proved as the thing that was reported 484 00:21:40,834 --> 00:21:43,233 {\an8}is something she would only know. Would that be considered proof? 485 00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:46,300 Well, let me hear what was reported. 486 00:21:46,367 --> 00:21:49,633 It was reported, I would not treat my child with lice. 487 00:21:49,700 --> 00:21:52,033 That was what the CPS report was. 488 00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:54,834 And it was unsubstantiated, and I have that all proved, this-- 489 00:21:54,900 --> 00:21:55,900 Okay. 490 00:21:55,967 --> 00:21:58,367 When your five year old went to her father, 491 00:21:58,433 --> 00:22:01,934 she went to visit with her father, and children do get head lice. 492 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,100 It happens periodically. 493 00:22:03,166 --> 00:22:06,367 Lots of children who go to school, who interact with other children, 494 00:22:06,433 --> 00:22:08,100 come home and they get head lice. 495 00:22:08,166 --> 00:22:11,233 Had a lot of children, a lot of grandchildren, and it happens. 496 00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:14,767 And you usually treat it. I assume that her father did not treat it. 497 00:22:14,834 --> 00:22:16,533 - Is that right? - Oh, he did treat it. 498 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,200 He told me immediately I have... 499 00:22:18,266 --> 00:22:19,767 - [Judy] So he treated it? - Mm-hmm. 500 00:22:19,834 --> 00:22:23,633 So how do you know that the head lice was the nature of the complaint? 501 00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:25,800 - That's what was on the report. - May I see it. 502 00:22:25,867 --> 00:22:29,066 Your children weren't removed, expect for your boy? 503 00:22:29,133 --> 00:22:31,767 My one's son. Uh-huh, and then that lady called. 504 00:22:31,834 --> 00:22:33,633 - And then returned? - All three of them. 505 00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:35,200 - Oh yeah. - All three kids were taken. 506 00:22:35,266 --> 00:22:37,066 - Now, sit. - Okay. 507 00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:41,233 There you go, sir. 508 00:22:48,967 --> 00:22:52,166 Okay, you had a prior history with Child Protective Services. 509 00:22:52,233 --> 00:22:54,467 - Which I was unaware. - That's either a "yes" or a "no." 510 00:22:54,533 --> 00:22:55,533 Yep. Yes. 511 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,100 And during the course of those prior proceedings, 512 00:22:58,166 --> 00:23:02,233 which were relatively current, child protective proceedings, 513 00:23:02,300 --> 00:23:06,000 because that was in 2021, you were clearly drug tested 514 00:23:06,066 --> 00:23:09,300 by the Department of Social Services for Child Protective Services. 515 00:23:09,367 --> 00:23:11,200 In 2018 or 19. 516 00:23:11,266 --> 00:23:15,567 This was at my doctor's prior when I was, and they reported it that I had problem. 517 00:23:15,633 --> 00:23:18,066 Okay, and at that time when you had an open case, 518 00:23:18,133 --> 00:23:21,500 and you tested positive for serious drugs. 519 00:23:21,567 --> 00:23:23,633 - Right. - Very serious drugs. 520 00:23:23,700 --> 00:23:27,100 And this says that while under the influence of those drugs, 521 00:23:27,166 --> 00:23:29,367 you drove your children to the doctor's office 522 00:23:29,433 --> 00:23:30,900 while under the influence. 523 00:23:30,967 --> 00:23:32,433 - Right. - That's the report. 524 00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:33,533 - Right. - Okay. 525 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,133 These reports all seem to indicate that they tried and tried to see you, 526 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,300 but you kept canceling appointments with them and were a no-show. 527 00:23:40,367 --> 00:23:42,333 - Well-- - Okay, that's what this report says. 528 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,166 - You gave me the report. - Right. 529 00:23:44,233 --> 00:23:46,200 So let me understand this. 530 00:23:46,266 --> 00:23:51,567 After coming in and making an assessment, Child Protective Services determined 531 00:23:51,633 --> 00:23:56,000 to file a petition on behalf of your youngest child. 532 00:23:56,066 --> 00:23:57,467 - Yes, they did. - Okay, yeah. 533 00:23:57,533 --> 00:23:59,633 Well, after everything I read there, 534 00:23:59,700 --> 00:24:01,867 I think that that was probably a good idea. 535 00:24:01,934 --> 00:24:04,467 I don't know what happened with that. I assume that the petition 536 00:24:04,533 --> 00:24:07,600 was ultimately dismissed if you have your children back with you. 537 00:24:07,667 --> 00:24:10,066 - Do you have your children back with you? - Yeah, right away. 538 00:24:10,133 --> 00:24:12,633 - As soon as I went to court that day. - That's okay. 539 00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:15,900 They determined after they spoke to you. 540 00:24:15,967 --> 00:24:21,300 And irrespective of either her motivation or anybody acting on her behalf 541 00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:26,100 or somebody that she knew or her, called Child Protective Services. 542 00:24:26,166 --> 00:24:28,967 The question that I'm presented with, 543 00:24:29,033 --> 00:24:33,734 was there a basis for concern about your children? 544 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:34,800 No. 545 00:24:34,867 --> 00:24:39,166 And based upon the reports that I've read here, 546 00:24:39,233 --> 00:24:41,033 and those are reports that you gave me. 547 00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:42,100 Right, I've-- 548 00:24:42,166 --> 00:24:45,500 That those serious questions about what was going on 549 00:24:45,567 --> 00:24:49,033 with the young children in your house deserved a second look. 550 00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:51,800 You would've had a history with methamphetamines. 551 00:24:51,867 --> 00:24:53,567 You had a serious weight loss. 552 00:24:53,633 --> 00:24:57,300 You refused to meet with case workers according to the report you gave me. 553 00:24:57,367 --> 00:24:59,734 I have other reports too. If I may, please. 554 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,500 - Just that... - Thank you. 555 00:25:01,567 --> 00:25:03,367 - I'm not finished. - Okay. Good, thank you. 556 00:25:03,433 --> 00:25:07,333 Because if you've been in family court as I was for 25 years, 557 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,400 often incidents are called in of suspected child abuse and neglect. 558 00:25:11,467 --> 00:25:14,567 A case worker goes out, takes a look, and says, 559 00:25:14,633 --> 00:25:18,233 "you know, I'll continue to watch it, but I don't have to file a case. 560 00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:23,200 It hasn't reached the level where I think that I should file a case 561 00:25:23,266 --> 00:25:24,667 and remove a child." 562 00:25:24,734 --> 00:25:27,066 In this case, Child Protective Services 563 00:25:27,133 --> 00:25:29,867 came and tried to do an investigation, 564 00:25:29,934 --> 00:25:33,266 which according to the worker, you evaded, you missed appointments, 565 00:25:33,333 --> 00:25:35,133 you rescheduled, you didn't show up. 566 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,033 - One time. - And then, not one time. 567 00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:41,800 They also had a history, a prior history of you involving drugs, 568 00:25:41,867 --> 00:25:45,333 involving driving your children under the influence of drugs. 569 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,600 Recent history, didn't happen 20 years ago. 570 00:25:47,667 --> 00:25:50,333 If it happened 2019, this is 21. 571 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,700 If it happened 2019 or 2020, that's still recent history. 572 00:25:55,767 --> 00:26:00,567 So whoever called it was worth, according to this case worker. 573 00:26:00,633 --> 00:26:04,333 They had sufficient information based upon what they saw 574 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,300 and what they knew to remove the two year old. 575 00:26:07,367 --> 00:26:09,433 So that part of your case is dismissed, 576 00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:13,133 which is the only part of the counterclaim that I was really entertaining. 577 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,100 You owe your sister $2096. 578 00:26:16,166 --> 00:26:20,033 $2,000 for rent and $48 for, 579 00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:22,533 I forget what it was, blinds. 580 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,467 - Thank you. We are done. - My property. 581 00:26:24,533 --> 00:26:26,500 - This court is adjourned. - We are done! 582 00:26:26,567 --> 00:26:29,700 {\an8}I had drug tested every month during the time that this happened, 583 00:26:29,767 --> 00:26:32,967 {\an8}and it was like a oopsy, under my doctor's supervision. 584 00:26:33,033 --> 00:26:34,367 {\an8}I just helped her and helped her. 585 00:26:34,433 --> 00:26:36,033 {\an8}And she takes advantage and takes advantage. 586 00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:38,266 {\an8}You don't call CPS on your sister when you're the one 587 00:26:38,333 --> 00:26:40,433 {\an8}that took off to Africa for three weeks, four weeks. 588 00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:43,900 {\an8}And this whole thing wasn't about money. It just, I needed someone to tell her, 589 00:26:43,967 --> 00:26:47,066 {\an8}"Look, you can't take advantage of people anymore." 590 00:26:47,133 --> 00:26:49,767 {\an8}And she's still the outcast that everyone's upset with. 591 00:26:49,834 --> 00:26:51,600 {\an8}I'm not the outcast though, but I'm definitely 592 00:26:51,667 --> 00:26:52,734 {\an8}not helping her anymore. 593 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:59,500 So we've seen it a lot here, claims for unsubstantiated CPS reports 594 00:26:59,567 --> 00:27:02,333 being filed and people seeking damages for that. 595 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,433 So I'm just wondering, 596 00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:06,567 do you think there was a basis, is that why obviously you didn't rule 597 00:27:06,633 --> 00:27:09,400 in her favor on the claim of the false CPS report? 598 00:27:09,467 --> 00:27:11,400 So there must have been something in there that... 599 00:27:11,467 --> 00:27:16,100 You know, when people use Child Protective Services as a retaliation 600 00:27:16,166 --> 00:27:19,100 for other behavior, that's always abhorrent. 601 00:27:19,166 --> 00:27:23,066 But there are some situations where CPS may be called, 602 00:27:23,133 --> 00:27:26,967 because someone knows that there is an abuse or neglect. 603 00:27:27,033 --> 00:27:30,433 And has not done it until the other person irritates them. 604 00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:33,600 - Mm-hmm. - Well that's not a false CPS report. 605 00:27:33,667 --> 00:27:36,867 Maybe motivated by something else, but that's not a false report. 606 00:27:36,934 --> 00:27:41,000 And so in this case, the defendant had a history with CPS. 607 00:27:41,066 --> 00:27:44,166 Current history with CPS that was relatively serious. 608 00:27:44,233 --> 00:27:46,533 Well, then it was a good thing that CPS went. 609 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,800 - Yeah, 'cause that would be basis itself. - It's basis itself. Yeah. 610 00:27:49,867 --> 00:27:50,867 - Basis itself. - That alone. 611 00:27:50,934 --> 00:27:52,200 And just because she was cleared 612 00:27:52,266 --> 00:27:54,400 at the end of the day, and has her children back now, 613 00:27:54,467 --> 00:27:56,633 doesn't mean that it was an unsubstantiated claim. 614 00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:58,033 Oh no, they're watching. 615 00:27:58,100 --> 00:27:59,233 - Yeah. - They're watching. 616 00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:02,000 And they should be watching. I don't think any of them are parkers. 617 00:28:02,066 --> 00:28:04,300 The 18 year old daughter who was here, 618 00:28:04,367 --> 00:28:08,000 who was "a troubled child," according to her. 619 00:28:08,066 --> 00:28:11,300 And have never graduated from high school, although she's working. 620 00:28:11,367 --> 00:28:14,600 Because her mother moved her around also a lot. 621 00:28:14,667 --> 00:28:17,934 Was certainly an inadequate caretaker for the other two younger children. 622 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,033 She goes off for a month with her boyfriend. 623 00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:23,600 It's amazing how some children just grow up by themselves. 624 00:28:23,667 --> 00:28:25,233 Sometimes it works out okay. 625 00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:29,734 I don't know, somehow I felt sorry for all of those kids 626 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,133 that they're not getting all the loving and nurturing that they should. 627 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,266 Hopefully, maybe after today she turns it around. 628 00:28:36,333 --> 00:28:37,333 Maybe. 629 00:28:38,734 --> 00:28:40,834 [Narrator] Are you having a family dispute? 630 00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:43,233 {\an8}Go to JudyJustice.tv