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You tested positive for serious drugs.
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While under the influence
of those drugs
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you drove your children
to the doctor's office
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- I'm not finished yet.
- Okay.
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Why would you feel comfortable
about leaving your own children
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with your sister if you felt
that she neglected her own children?
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[Narrator]
This is Judy Justice.
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{\an8}Lucinda Noble is suing her sister
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{\an8}Tiffany Acuna for rent
and property damage.
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[Bailiff]
Court come to order.
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All rise.
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Have a seat please.
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Case 2109,
Noble versus Acuna.
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- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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[Judy]
Ms. Noble, this is your sister?
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Yes ma'am.
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[Judy]
Older or younger?
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- Younger.
- Any other siblings?
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Many.
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[Judy]
How many?
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I have five sisters and four brothers.
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And you have kids.
How many children do you have?
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I have three daughters.
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{\an8}[Judy]
How old are they?
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{\an8}18, 15 and almost 12.
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{\an8}[Judy]
And you?
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{\an8}I have three children,
and they are 10, five, and two.
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There came a time when,
that was in August of 2021.
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According to your complaint,
that you were having
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some housing difficulties
with your children.
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No, that's not true.
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Well, Ms. Noble, what led you to believe
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that your sister was having
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some housing difficulty?
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Because you start
your complaint by indicating
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{\an8}that she was about to become homeless.
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{\an8}Her house that she was living in
was being put up for sale.
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So the house that you had
been renting?
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Correct.
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[Judy]
For how long?
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About two years. I'm not really sure.
It was while...
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It was being sold?
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Well, I didn't know that until
I gave her my notice,
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after I'd previously asked my sister
if we should move in.
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So you approached her about you
moving in with her?
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Yes, correct.
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- And do you own your own home, Ms. Noble?
- I do.
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[Judy]
Where you were living,
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you were living there alone
with your three children?
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- Yes.
- Okay.
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- And how much rent were you paying?
- 750.
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And when you decided
to move in with your sister,
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what rent was discussed?
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{\an8}Well, she had told me about 400
is what she wanted.
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{\an8}Okay,
so she said the rent was $400 per month.
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- And that was starting August 1st?
- Right.
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So this is what's part of this case
is about, part of the case is about rent.
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You lived with your sister
from August 1st, 2021,
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to a date in 2022 when you
finally removed all of your property.
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Kindof. I did not remove
all of my property,
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but I removed
what she allowed me to--
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[Judy]
To remove. On what date?
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I'm gonna say it was mid May.
I'm not sure--
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[Judy]
May of 2022?
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Mm-hmm.
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So we have August, September, October,
November, December,
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January, February, March, April, May.
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So between nine and 10 months.
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For the nine or 10 months
that you were there,
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how many times did you pay
her $400 in rent?
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- Um...
- She's gonna have a list.
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- And I have a list too of our--
- And you have a list.
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So why don't you take a look at it
and gimme the exact number of months.
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The time I paid her 400,
it was, I think only one time.
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And there was other times I paid her
different amounts, but our agreement
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was because I bought all the groceries,
we just kept track on this app,
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{\an8}which has a list.
I paid way over 400 in total.
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- Well...
- So our agreement had changed...
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- Just a second.
- Okay.
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- You have an app 10 months?
- Mm-hmm.
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[Judy]
How much did you spend on that app?
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12,000 and something is right in here
on the list.
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Take a look,
cause you're gonna show it to me.
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I pay total $10,411.
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Okay. And she?
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She, total was 11,291.
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And that was to cover groceries, food,
gas money.
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Her phone was under mine.
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This is something that I'm going to have
to simplify.
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There came a time when there were issues
with regard to you not paying
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her $400 a month rent.
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And you discussed it with her. Correct?
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- And in what month was that?
- April.
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{\an8}It was before April.
It was before I had gone on vacation.
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{\an8}[Judy]
What month and year?
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December of 2021.
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So what I'm reading, in December of 2021,
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you had a dispute about how much
you were spending,
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how much you weren't spending,
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and that $400 was not being forthcoming
just for rent.
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You see, I can understand that the two
of you decided to split bills,
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everything other than the $400 rent.
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You each have three children.
You've two adults.
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Let's get to December.
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Was it the beginning or middle of December
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that you had this discussion about,
just paying $400 a month?
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- And we'll deal with it.
- Maybe the middle.
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Okay, so we have January,
February, March, April,
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and you moved out May?
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Correct, I was kicked out illegally, yes.
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[Judy]
In May.
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- Yep.
- Left in May. So that's five months.
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It was suggested by your landlord
that just give me $400 a month
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and we'll split groceries.
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- In April. I have the proof of the text.
- Just a second.
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So we have January,
February, March and April.
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Four months.
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Did you give her $400 a month
for those four months?
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No, but it was never discussed
before then.
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I have the proof that it was discussed
in April.
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- I'd like to see it.
- Thank you.
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- It was discussed in April again.
- Okay. Just a second.
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I just wanna see the proof,
well, show me if you have proof
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of an earlier conversation.
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- I don't.
- I believe
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that there was an earlier conversation.
Let me see the one that occurred in April.
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It was mainly the receipts.
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I'm not getting involved with that at all.
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Right now, you had a place to live,
your three children,
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for much less than the $750 a month
that you were paying at another residence.
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Right. And I spent way more on groceries.
I did all the grocery jobs.
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Whatever! Your children didn't eat more.
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Right, and my children didn't live
there the full time.
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[Judy]
I don't care.
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Okay, I'm sorry.
Can I look on my phone?
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Is that, it might be faster.
Is that okay if I show you text?
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I don't care where you show
it to me just show it to me.
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Thank you. Oh, I'm sorry.
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Oh yeah, yeah. Apologies.
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Okay. Apologies, sorry.
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On April 24th.
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And then you can scroll down
'cause she kind keeps for a couple days.
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Oh, that wasn't an agreement, madam.
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These were final acts of desperation
to get you to pay $400 a month.
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- Here.
- That was the first time I'd heard.
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Yeah, about her...
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Oh, no, no, no, no, that wasn't the first
time you heard about it.
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- Right?
- Because the first line is,
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$400 better be under my door.
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Right.
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So that's not the first time
you heard about it.
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- Right.
- That's an act of desperation.
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Okay, so you had this conversation
with her in December
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and she was there until May.
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And according to you,
you only paid $400 once.
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That's $2,000.
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By the way,
how are your children supported?
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I work. Well, I work, yes.
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Is that a full-time job or a part-time
job?
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It was part-time.
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You don't support yourself and your three
children with a part-time job.
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Do you get any child support for them?
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I do get child support
for two of them, yes.
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- For two of them?
- Mm-hmm.
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- How much child support do you receive?
- 300.
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- 300 a what?
- A month.
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Do you get any other assistance?
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Yes. I have food stamps.
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[Judy]
Mm-hmm. Do you still have food stamps?
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- Yes.
- How much a month?
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Four something. I'm not exactly sure.
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And when you bought food
for the household,
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you used the food stamps
as well as your other money
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from your part-time job?
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- Sometimes, yes.
- Got it, $400.
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So far you owe your sister $2,000.
That's for back rent.
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Now you wanna go through the damages
that you alleged that your sister caused?
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Yes.
So I had two couches and those went away.
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What do you mean both went away?
What does that mean?
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- She got rid of them.
- While she was living there?
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- Mm-hmm.
- And you knew about it?
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{\an8}In what month?
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{\an8}It was when I came back from vacation,
my things were gone.
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I'm not following, you were supposed
to be gone for two weeks according to her
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No, I was gone for three and a half weeks.
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[Judy] You were gone for almost a month.
She was babysitting for your children.
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They don't really need babysat.
They're older.
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Well, your 12 year old can't live
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by herself without a mother for a month?
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- No.
- Okay.
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And your 18 year old does what?
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She works at a hotel.
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So she works during the day or at night?
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{\an8}She didn't at the time.
She was at 17 at the time.
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{\an8}You're not gonna leave a 17, a 14,
and an 11 year old alone for a month.
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- Of course not.
- Okay.
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[Judy]
So they'd been home with your sister.
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- Yes.
- Let's get back to the initial question.
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I forgot what my question was before
I went off on this tangent.
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- Couches.
- The couches, yes.
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- That's where we're at.
- Yes.
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- So you went away for a month?
- Mm-hmm.
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And when you came back, couches were gone.
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Couches,
like the whole house had transformed
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into basically her house.
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I don't care basically her house.
I wanna know what was missing.
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So the couches were missing.
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Okay. Which couches?
Couches from where?
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So the couch from the living room,
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it was a sectional in the couch
from the basement.
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Living room and basement,
what happened to those couches?
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{\an8}Oh, they were gone a long time before,
and I can prove a text of her saying...
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{\an8}They were gone before I even moved in
actually in August.
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She knew and her daughter
and her boyfriend helped me load them up
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and take him to the dump.
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She in fact told me she was getting rid
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of a lot of old furniture
she did not care about.
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- I have a picture...
- Just a second, what you have is proof
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that those two items were disposed
of before she went away on vacation.
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- Way before, before I moved in.
- Okay.
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Now Ms. Noble, your sister says
that she has proof that those two couches
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were disposed of well before you went
away on vacation.
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If she does, I'm not gonna be happy
with you.
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- Do you understand?
- Mm-hmm.
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Were those two couches gone
before you went on vacation?
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I can't recall, but I believe she wanted
to make room for her furniture.
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Uh, just a second. The ha-ha.
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Were those two couches gone before
you went on vacation for a month?
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- I know the basement couch wasn't.
- Okay.
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I think you're full of baloney.
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{\an8}She started giving my niece video games,
movies, my food storage containers.
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- {\an8}-
- She was just giving my things away.
- Okay.
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{\an8}I went to graduate school after I finished
with high school for nine years.
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{\an8}I'm not dealing with Tupperware.
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{\an8}[Narrator] Lucinda Noble claims
her sister Tiffany Acuna,
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owes for rent and property damage.
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Tiffany is counter suing for an illegal
lockout and filing a false CPS report.
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Okay, let's go.
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"Property taken without permission."
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What property did she take
without your permission?
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- Okay, so the...
- So far she owes you for rent.
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The TV stand, she broke it,
and threw it under the trampoline.
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- What's next?
- The weed trimmer.
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She took that, she started giving
my niece my belongings while I was gone.
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{\an8}She started giving my niece video games,
movies, my food storage containers.
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- {\an8}-
- She was just giving my things away.
- Okay.
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She owes you for rent?
I went to graduate school after I finished
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with high school for nine years.
I'm not dealing with Tupperware.
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So far she owes you $2,000 for rent.
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Okay.
And then there was also the wall damage,
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the windows, the lines.
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Well, just a second. Just a second.
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What wall damage and where?
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The wall damage is from the room
that she was staying in,
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and the room that her boys
were staying in.
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May I see the damage
that you're referring to?
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Here's the one wall of that.
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And then here's the blinds,
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and this's those damages from her cat.
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Well this, I can't see it all.
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Okay. So that I can't see it all.
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And if you're talking about nail holes,
I'm not interested in nail holes,
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where there were pictures cutting them up.
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I don't know what this is a picture of.
Tell me.
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That's where her cat clawed up the carpet
to get into her room.
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- Did you replace the carpet?
- Not yet.
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{\an8}Do you have an estimate for replacing
or patching that carpet?
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- {\an8}-
- They don't make that carpet anymore.
- Okay.
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{\an8}How did these blinds get broken?
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I'm not sure.
Are those the ones that were in my bedroom
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or the kids' bedroom?
I really don't know to be honest.
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But I do feel like I remember them being
broken, but I just don't remember
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if they were broken
when I already moved in or not.
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I really don't know, ma'am.
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I mean, honestly, I knew they were broken.
It's all like I'm remembering.
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But the house, like I said, was not
in a good condition when I moved in.
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Okay, I'm not talking about
the rest of the house.
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- Right.
- My daughter is actually,
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Tiffany told her that she knew
they were...
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Shush.
She doesn't remember
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You tell me that these blinds
were in good condition
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before she and her family moved in.
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- Yes.
- She says she doesn't remember.
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I have to rely on what you say to me,
because that's not ordinary wear and tear.
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- No.
- Do you have a bill for new blinds?
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From Lowe's...
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I have the estimate
of what it will cost to replace them.
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Okay. I'd like to see it.
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- You do have a cat?
- Yes, I have one cat.
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- [Judy] Okay.
- She has multiple.
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So we're talking about $47.98?
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- Times two.
- Okay.
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Anything else? Any other...
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[Lucinda]
For two blinds.
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- I only see one.
- No, those are two different windows.
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Oh, times two.
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You're right.
Anything else?
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I have to remove the junk
that she left at my house.
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- I was not allowed at her house.
- What else?
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Okay, if you have to think that hard
then we're finished.
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We're moving over to the countersuit.
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Counter claim is for an illegal lockout.
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Okay, let me run through this illegal
lockout and dispose of it quickly.
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The illegal lockout that you are referring
to happened when your sister,
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who shouldn't have,
took the door off your bedroom.
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Correct?
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[Judy] She says she took the door
off your bedroom
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because you weren't paying
close enough attention to your children.
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{\an8}Right.
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{\an8}[Judy]
And I assume she's talking
about the two year old.
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Correct.
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And when she took the door
off your bedroom, you called the police?
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Right. Yep. I called the police.
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- I have the incident report.
- The office, yes, you called the police?
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And the police came.
And when the police came on.
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- Do we have the date?
- 26th of April.
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The police arrived and they told her
she couldn't lock the door,
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and you were let in?
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- Correct.
- Okay.
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So not egregious enough for me
to have to deal with two sisters fighting.
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But the other part of your claim
is that your sister
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filed a false CPS report
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Right.
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And first, how do you know a CPS report
was called in?
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{\an8}Well, they called me, real quick...
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{\an8}[Judy]
Child Protective Services.
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Right, they did call me,
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but first I actually had the phone call
from my sister,
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my witness, who is here right now,
because she had pre-warned me,
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because she had gotten
the phone call from the sister
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saying Lucy is going to call on you.
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Okay. Do you wanna step up?
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- Sure.
- Tell me your name.
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My name Stephanie Aslett.
I'm the older sister of these two.
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{\an8}When did you have
a conversation with Ms. Noble
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{\an8}about the defendant's children?
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{\an8}The same night that the cops were called.
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Tiffany had called me
because Lucy's daughter
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had crawled through the window
and opened the door.
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- So you spoke to Lucinda?
- Yes.
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- On April 26th?
- Yes.
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- Did you call her or did she call you?
- She had called me
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because she wanted to let me know
that the cops have been involved.
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- Do you recall that conversation?
- Yes, I do.
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[Judy]
Okay. Tell me about the conversation.
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She called to let me know
that she was letting me know
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that since I was the only one
probably capable or in this position
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to take on a child if CPS was involved,
because the two year old
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would not be able to go to his father,
he was in prison at the time.
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And I was like,
"why are you calling and tell me this?
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Tiffany's a good mom, what's going on?"
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And she goes, "No, she's not.
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I've already called CPS and forewarned
them that this is happening.
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She needs to be taken care of."
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What's happening?
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Apparently there was lice on her daughter
when she was at her father's house.
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And the two year old, apparently
he was running around with a wet diaper
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Who was taken to their father's house?
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{\an8}The daughter that had the lice
was, that was...
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- {\an8}-
- The daughter was the five year old?
- Yes.
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- {\an8}-
- Okay, not the two year old?
- Yeah.
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She supposed had lice
while she was at her dad's.
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Went to her father's.
And that was sometime in April,
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is that correct?
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- Yes.
- And got head lice?
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Well, he had told me, I wasn't for sure,
but I let my sister know
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just in case that "she may have lice,
let's check the girls."
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Okay.
And your sister was home at the time?
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Well, no, she was never home.
Everything was over a text message.
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Just a second.
Was that when she was away?
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- Um...
- She was not staying at the house.
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- Hmm?
- She was not at the residence.
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She was staying at her boyfriend's house
that was there.
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Lucinda was staying at her boyfriend's
house?
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- Yes.
- Okay, and that's on 26th?
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- Yes.
- Is that after the police were called?
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That was prior to,
supposedly the lice was prior to,
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and that's why she had called
them prior to that night.
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And she was letting me know
that she had called them,
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and that I needed to be prepared to take
on a two year old.
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What did you tell her?
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I asked her why she would call them,
what was going on.
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And I said, "This is ridiculous, you know
that this is ridiculous."
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And she goes, "No, it's justified."
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And I said, "I don't understand."
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Did she tell you why?
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Yeah, she tried to tell me that uh...
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Well, tell me exactly what she said
to you. Why is this...
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She made the comment that
"Tiffany hadn't been there."
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Okay. You had to ask her why?
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My words to her were, "How do you know
this when you're never there?"
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- And she said?
- "I just know."
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- And gave you no more specifics?
- No.
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Okay, do you wanna tell me
about that conversation?
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{\an8}I never said I was calling CPS.
I said someone will.
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I know the person who did, it wasn't me.
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[Judy]
Okay. Well...
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But I knew it was going to be happening.
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Okay, Stephanie, let's get clear. Okay?
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When you spoke to Lucinda
and she said to you,
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in effect "are you you prepared to take
on a two-year-old."
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Did she tell you that "someone"
was calling CPS?
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No, she did not.
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She said that she would be the one calling
and that she has already
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contacted them because of the situation
at her home.
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Okay. Now, assuming you and your sister
lived alone together,
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whether you spent time with your boyfriend
or not, you have those kids,
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but you were away.
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When you were away for that month.
Were you staying with your boyfriend?
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- Yes.
- Okay.
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And you left your kids alone, correct?
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With my sister.
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- With your sister?
- Mm-hmm
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Why would you feel comfortable about
leaving your own children with your sister
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if you felt that she neglected
her own children?
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They didn't need the amount of care
that a two year old does.
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Are you telling me that a 15 year old
doesn't need a lot of care
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and watching these days?
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Or a 12 year old, or an 11 year old
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doesn't need a lot of watching
and supervising?
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- Is that what you're suggesting to me?
- Not as much as a two year old.
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Well, one is a physical watching
to make sure that it eats
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and drinks and is bathed periodically.
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The other two are far more difficult.
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You gotta have eyes all over the place
to watch a 15 year old and an 11 year old.
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Gotta have your eyes on their computer.
You have your eyes on their iPad.
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You have to your eyes on their schooling,
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on their homework,
on their everything else.
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You take a month to go off
with your boyfriend.
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That to me is not participating
with your children.
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Especially since you suggest
that your sister with whom you left
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your children was neglecting
her own children.
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Your Honor, I would just like to say
that I was reaching out to her
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a lot of the time too, where I would get,
one week, there was nothing.
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She said, "Sorry, I had no WiFi."
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Her children were skipping school.
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They were not listening to me.
They would not do their chores.
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Do I need you to reinforce
what I just said?
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Right, I'm...
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I don't need you to reinforce
what I just said.
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{\an8}You would had a history
with methamphetamines.
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{\an8}You refuse to meet with case workers
according to the report you gave me.
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{\an8}I have other reports too,
if I may please.
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- {\an8}-
- I'm not done. Just...
- Thank you.
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{\an8}I'm not finished.
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{\an8}[Narrator]
Lucinda Noble is accusing her sister,
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{\an8}Tiffany Acuna of refusing
to pay for rent.
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Tiffany claims Lucinda wrongfully reported
her to Child Protective Services.
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Now...
You have something you wanna say?
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Many things, actually.
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Well, many things.
I don't want many things.
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What I want, stand up.
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What I want to know is,
you're her daughter?
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Yes.
[Judy] Your first name?
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Anna Noble.
[Judy] Anna, what do you do?
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- I work front desk at a hotel.
- Graduate from high school?
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- No.
- [Judy] Why?
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I was pulled out and moved to Missouri.
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[Judy]
Pulled out by whom?
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- By your mother?
- Yeah.
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And when your mother pulled you out,
how old were you?
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- 17.
- Had you been going to school before?
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- Yes.
- [Judy] In what jurisdiction?
465
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:49,834
It was alternative school.
466
00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:52,934
When you say an alternative school,
what kind of an alternative school?
467
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,233
For troubled youth.
468
00:20:54,300 --> 00:20:56,166
Tell me about your trouble.
469
00:20:56,233 --> 00:20:58,734
Was it behavior trouble?
'Cause you seem...
470
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,934
{\an8}It was many things.
I was a very wild teenager.
471
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,000
{\an8}I...
472
00:21:04,066 --> 00:21:06,533
{\an8}Until when were you
a wild teenager?
473
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,333
Until I sent her to live with her dad.
474
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,333
I didn't ask you any questions.
So now you can sit down.
475
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,633
- Okay.
- I'm not going into anything else.
476
00:21:13,700 --> 00:21:18,133
Lucinda, so far you went away for a month
with your boyfriend.
477
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,133
Leaving your three children,
who you say don't need supervision.
478
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,734
How long were you home before you took
the door off her bedroom?
479
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,367
I got back from vacation in February,
early February.
480
00:21:29,433 --> 00:21:32,333
And the door was removed in April
for a few hours.
481
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,300
Okay, do you have any proof
other than this conversation
482
00:21:35,367 --> 00:21:37,133
that the plaintiff called CPS?
483
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,767
{\an8}I believe it is proved as the thing
that was reported
484
00:21:40,834 --> 00:21:43,233
{\an8}is something she would only know.
Would that be considered proof?
485
00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:46,300
Well, let me hear what was reported.
486
00:21:46,367 --> 00:21:49,633
It was reported, I would not treat
my child with lice.
487
00:21:49,700 --> 00:21:52,033
That was what the CPS report was.
488
00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:54,834
And it was unsubstantiated,
and I have that all proved, this--
489
00:21:54,900 --> 00:21:55,900
Okay.
490
00:21:55,967 --> 00:21:58,367
When your five year old went
to her father,
491
00:21:58,433 --> 00:22:01,934
she went to visit with her father,
and children do get head lice.
492
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,100
It happens periodically.
493
00:22:03,166 --> 00:22:06,367
Lots of children who go to school,
who interact with other children,
494
00:22:06,433 --> 00:22:08,100
come home and they get head lice.
495
00:22:08,166 --> 00:22:11,233
Had a lot of children,
a lot of grandchildren, and it happens.
496
00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:14,767
And you usually treat it.
I assume that her father did not treat it.
497
00:22:14,834 --> 00:22:16,533
- Is that right?
- Oh, he did treat it.
498
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,200
He told me immediately I have...
499
00:22:18,266 --> 00:22:19,767
- [Judy] So he treated it?
- Mm-hmm.
500
00:22:19,834 --> 00:22:23,633
So how do you know that the head lice
was the nature of the complaint?
501
00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:25,800
- That's what was on the report.
- May I see it.
502
00:22:25,867 --> 00:22:29,066
Your children weren't removed,
expect for your boy?
503
00:22:29,133 --> 00:22:31,767
My one's son.
Uh-huh, and then that lady called.
504
00:22:31,834 --> 00:22:33,633
- And then returned?
- All three of them.
505
00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:35,200
- Oh yeah.
- All three kids were taken.
506
00:22:35,266 --> 00:22:37,066
- Now, sit.
- Okay.
507
00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:41,233
There you go, sir.
508
00:22:48,967 --> 00:22:52,166
Okay, you had a prior history
with Child Protective Services.
509
00:22:52,233 --> 00:22:54,467
- Which I was unaware.
- That's either a "yes" or a "no."
510
00:22:54,533 --> 00:22:55,533
Yep. Yes.
511
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,100
And during the course
of those prior proceedings,
512
00:22:58,166 --> 00:23:02,233
which were relatively current,
child protective proceedings,
513
00:23:02,300 --> 00:23:06,000
because that was in 2021,
you were clearly drug tested
514
00:23:06,066 --> 00:23:09,300
by the Department of Social Services
for Child Protective Services.
515
00:23:09,367 --> 00:23:11,200
In 2018 or 19.
516
00:23:11,266 --> 00:23:15,567
This was at my doctor's prior when I was,
and they reported it that I had problem.
517
00:23:15,633 --> 00:23:18,066
Okay, and at that time
when you had an open case,
518
00:23:18,133 --> 00:23:21,500
and you tested positive
for serious drugs.
519
00:23:21,567 --> 00:23:23,633
- Right.
- Very serious drugs.
520
00:23:23,700 --> 00:23:27,100
And this says that while
under the influence of those drugs,
521
00:23:27,166 --> 00:23:29,367
you drove your children
to the doctor's office
522
00:23:29,433 --> 00:23:30,900
while under the influence.
523
00:23:30,967 --> 00:23:32,433
- Right.
- That's the report.
524
00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:33,533
- Right.
- Okay.
525
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,133
These reports all seem to indicate
that they tried and tried to see you,
526
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,300
but you kept canceling appointments
with them and were a no-show.
527
00:23:40,367 --> 00:23:42,333
- Well--
- Okay, that's what this report says.
528
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,166
- You gave me the report.
- Right.
529
00:23:44,233 --> 00:23:46,200
So let me understand this.
530
00:23:46,266 --> 00:23:51,567
After coming in and making an assessment,
Child Protective Services determined
531
00:23:51,633 --> 00:23:56,000
to file a petition on behalf
of your youngest child.
532
00:23:56,066 --> 00:23:57,467
- Yes, they did.
- Okay, yeah.
533
00:23:57,533 --> 00:23:59,633
Well, after everything I read there,
534
00:23:59,700 --> 00:24:01,867
I think that that was probably
a good idea.
535
00:24:01,934 --> 00:24:04,467
I don't know what happened with that.
I assume that the petition
536
00:24:04,533 --> 00:24:07,600
was ultimately dismissed
if you have your children back with you.
537
00:24:07,667 --> 00:24:10,066
- Do you have your children back with you?
- Yeah, right away.
538
00:24:10,133 --> 00:24:12,633
- As soon as I went to court that day.
- That's okay.
539
00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:15,900
They determined after they spoke to you.
540
00:24:15,967 --> 00:24:21,300
And irrespective of either her motivation
or anybody acting on her behalf
541
00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:26,100
or somebody that she knew or her,
called Child Protective Services.
542
00:24:26,166 --> 00:24:28,967
The question that I'm presented with,
543
00:24:29,033 --> 00:24:33,734
was there a basis for concern
about your children?
544
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:34,800
No.
545
00:24:34,867 --> 00:24:39,166
And based upon the reports
that I've read here,
546
00:24:39,233 --> 00:24:41,033
and those are reports
that you gave me.
547
00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:42,100
Right, I've--
548
00:24:42,166 --> 00:24:45,500
That those serious questions
about what was going on
549
00:24:45,567 --> 00:24:49,033
with the young children
in your house deserved a second look.
550
00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:51,800
You would've had a history
with methamphetamines.
551
00:24:51,867 --> 00:24:53,567
You had a serious weight loss.
552
00:24:53,633 --> 00:24:57,300
You refused to meet with case workers
according to the report you gave me.
553
00:24:57,367 --> 00:24:59,734
I have other reports too.
If I may, please.
554
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,500
- Just that...
- Thank you.
555
00:25:01,567 --> 00:25:03,367
- I'm not finished.
- Okay. Good, thank you.
556
00:25:03,433 --> 00:25:07,333
Because if you've been in family court
as I was for 25 years,
557
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,400
often incidents are called in
of suspected child abuse and neglect.
558
00:25:11,467 --> 00:25:14,567
A case worker goes out,
takes a look, and says,
559
00:25:14,633 --> 00:25:18,233
"you know, I'll continue to watch it,
but I don't have to file a case.
560
00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:23,200
It hasn't reached the level where I think
that I should file a case
561
00:25:23,266 --> 00:25:24,667
and remove a child."
562
00:25:24,734 --> 00:25:27,066
In this case, Child Protective Services
563
00:25:27,133 --> 00:25:29,867
came and tried to do an investigation,
564
00:25:29,934 --> 00:25:33,266
which according to the worker,
you evaded, you missed appointments,
565
00:25:33,333 --> 00:25:35,133
you rescheduled,
you didn't show up.
566
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,033
- One time.
- And then, not one time.
567
00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:41,800
They also had a history,
a prior history of you involving drugs,
568
00:25:41,867 --> 00:25:45,333
involving driving your children
under the influence of drugs.
569
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,600
Recent history,
didn't happen 20 years ago.
570
00:25:47,667 --> 00:25:50,333
If it happened 2019, this is 21.
571
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,700
If it happened 2019 or 2020, that's still
recent history.
572
00:25:55,767 --> 00:26:00,567
So whoever called it was worth,
according to this case worker.
573
00:26:00,633 --> 00:26:04,333
They had sufficient
information based upon what they saw
574
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,300
and what they knew to remove
the two year old.
575
00:26:07,367 --> 00:26:09,433
So that part of your case is dismissed,
576
00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:13,133
which is the only part of the counterclaim
that I was really entertaining.
577
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,100
You owe your sister $2096.
578
00:26:16,166 --> 00:26:20,033
$2,000 for rent and $48 for,
579
00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:22,533
I forget what it was, blinds.
580
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,467
- Thank you. We are done.
- My property.
581
00:26:24,533 --> 00:26:26,500
- This court is adjourned.
- We are done!
582
00:26:26,567 --> 00:26:29,700
{\an8}I had drug tested every month during
the time that this happened,
583
00:26:29,767 --> 00:26:32,967
{\an8}and it was like a oopsy,
under my doctor's supervision.
584
00:26:33,033 --> 00:26:34,367
{\an8}I just helped her and helped her.
585
00:26:34,433 --> 00:26:36,033
{\an8}And she takes advantage
and takes advantage.
586
00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:38,266
{\an8}You don't call CPS on your sister
when you're the one
587
00:26:38,333 --> 00:26:40,433
{\an8}that took off to Africa
for three weeks, four weeks.
588
00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:43,900
{\an8}And this whole thing wasn't about money.
It just, I needed someone to tell her,
589
00:26:43,967 --> 00:26:47,066
{\an8}"Look, you can't take advantage
of people anymore."
590
00:26:47,133 --> 00:26:49,767
{\an8}And she's still the outcast
that everyone's upset with.
591
00:26:49,834 --> 00:26:51,600
{\an8}I'm not the outcast though,
but I'm definitely
592
00:26:51,667 --> 00:26:52,734
{\an8}not helping her anymore.
593
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:59,500
So we've seen it a lot here,
claims for unsubstantiated CPS reports
594
00:26:59,567 --> 00:27:02,333
being filed and people
seeking damages for that.
595
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,433
So I'm just wondering,
596
00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:06,567
do you think there was a basis,
is that why obviously you didn't rule
597
00:27:06,633 --> 00:27:09,400
in her favor on the claim
of the false CPS report?
598
00:27:09,467 --> 00:27:11,400
So there must have been something
in there that...
599
00:27:11,467 --> 00:27:16,100
You know, when people use
Child Protective Services as a retaliation
600
00:27:16,166 --> 00:27:19,100
for other behavior,
that's always abhorrent.
601
00:27:19,166 --> 00:27:23,066
But there are some situations
where CPS may be called,
602
00:27:23,133 --> 00:27:26,967
because someone knows
that there is an abuse or neglect.
603
00:27:27,033 --> 00:27:30,433
And has not done it
until the other person irritates them.
604
00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:33,600
- Mm-hmm.
- Well that's not a false CPS report.
605
00:27:33,667 --> 00:27:36,867
Maybe motivated by something else,
but that's not a false report.
606
00:27:36,934 --> 00:27:41,000
And so in this case,
the defendant had a history with CPS.
607
00:27:41,066 --> 00:27:44,166
Current history with CPS
that was relatively serious.
608
00:27:44,233 --> 00:27:46,533
Well, then it was a good thing
that CPS went.
609
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,800
- Yeah, 'cause that would be basis itself.
- It's basis itself. Yeah.
610
00:27:49,867 --> 00:27:50,867
- Basis itself.
- That alone.
611
00:27:50,934 --> 00:27:52,200
And just because she was cleared
612
00:27:52,266 --> 00:27:54,400
at the end of the day,
and has her children back now,
613
00:27:54,467 --> 00:27:56,633
doesn't mean
that it was an unsubstantiated claim.
614
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:58,033
Oh no, they're watching.
615
00:27:58,100 --> 00:27:59,233
- Yeah.
- They're watching.
616
00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:02,000
And they should be watching.
I don't think any of them are parkers.
617
00:28:02,066 --> 00:28:04,300
The 18 year old daughter who was here,
618
00:28:04,367 --> 00:28:08,000
who was "a troubled child,"
according to her.
619
00:28:08,066 --> 00:28:11,300
And have never graduated from high school,
although she's working.
620
00:28:11,367 --> 00:28:14,600
Because her mother moved
her around also a lot.
621
00:28:14,667 --> 00:28:17,934
Was certainly an inadequate caretaker
for the other two younger children.
622
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,033
She goes off for a month
with her boyfriend.
623
00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:23,600
It's amazing how some children
just grow up by themselves.
624
00:28:23,667 --> 00:28:25,233
Sometimes it works out okay.
625
00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:29,734
I don't know, somehow I felt sorry
for all of those kids
626
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,133
that they're not getting all the loving
and nurturing that they should.
627
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,266
Hopefully, maybe after today
she turns it around.
628
00:28:36,333 --> 00:28:37,333
Maybe.
629
00:28:38,734 --> 00:28:40,834
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630
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