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{\an8}You were hired to do some demolition work?
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- {\an8}-
- Correct.
- You hired an unlicensed contractor
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{\an8}without references,
and you got his number
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{\an8}from a card that he left
on your windshield.
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I'm-- I'm not really sure, actually,
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a hundred percent
on where I found that card.
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What does that mean?
It doesn't mean anything.
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[Announcer]
This is "Judy Justice".
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{\an8}Michael Attar is suing his former clients,
Mary and Michael Rhodes,
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{\an8}for unpaid demolition work.
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[Kevin]
Court come to order.
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All rise.
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Have a seat, please.
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Hello, Judge.
Case 2115, Attar versus Rhodes.
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- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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Mr. Attar, you were hired
to do some, according to you,
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demolition work
and other work at a property
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owned by Mr. and Mrs. Rhodes.
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You gave them an estimate
for that work.
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I think the estimate was $11,500.
Is that correct?
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- Correct.
- [Judge Judy] And it was outlined
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what work you were supposed to do.
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You started that work,
and according to you,
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at some point there was disagreement
with either or both of the Rhodes's,
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and they stopped payment on a check
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- that they gave you.
- Correct.
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{\an8}And the check that they gave you
was for $4,200.
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- {\an8}-
- And then you stopped work for them.
- Yes, ma'am, we're finished.
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{\an8}So, you're suing them
for the canceled check
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{\an8}and for other unpaid work
that you did,
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{\an8}- that you didn't get paid for.
- Correct.
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[Judge Judy]
Mr. and Mrs. Rhodes say
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that they were not satisfied
with the quality of your work.
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It cost them $9,000 to both replace things
that were stolen from their property
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by either you or members of your team,
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something which I don't think
that you question,
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that somebody from your team,
not you,
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somebody from your team,
may have taken
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metal property of theirs
that they didn't own.
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So, let's go back.
Mr. and Mrs. Rhodes,
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is this a new property to you,
or is this a property
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that you owned for a while?
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- It's a new property to us.
- [Judge Judy] That's what I thought.
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- {\an8}-
- So, is it a private house?
- Uh, yes.
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{\an8}And we were, um, remodeling it.
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{\an8}[Judge Judy]
OK, when did you purchase it?
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We purchased in January of 2020.
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I'm sorry, 2021.
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Is it a single-family residence?
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- [Mary Rhodes] Yes.
- [Judge Judy] How much did you pay for it?
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769,000.
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Describe the property to me.
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It's, uh, in northern Alta Loma
or Rancho Cucamonga.
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Um, it's an acre property,
has, um, two levels on it,
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and a single-family,
ranch-style home on it
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right now.
And what we asked him to do
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was demolition the lower half,
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- {\an8}-
- Um--
- [Judge Judy] Do you have a photograph?
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- {\an8}-
- I do.
- [Judge Judy] I'd like to look
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{\an8}at the photograph
of what you wanted him to do.
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[Mary Rhodes]
That's what the lower half looked like.
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- OK.
- Before.
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So, this whole portion you wanted him...
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- [Mary Rhodes] Correct.
- To demolish?
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- [Mary Rhodes] To demolish.
- And remove the debris?
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- And grade flat.
- [Judge Judy] Is that correct, sir?
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- I can't see it from here, ma'am.
- [Judge Judy] Okay.
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We're gonna show it to you.
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To demolish it, flatten it,
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fill it in...
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- [Mary Rhodes] Remove all the debris.
- [Judge Judy] Mm-hmm.
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- Yes.
- [Judge Judy] OK.
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And did you have a written contract?
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We did not.
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Well, that's always a mistake.
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- Always.
- [Judge Judy] How did you find him?
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{\an8}[Michael Rhodes]
I believe I got his business card...
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{\an8}uh, it was on, uh, my personal car,
I think, at Home Depot.
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We had bought this house,
and we tried to find somebody
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to do the work, but--
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Mr. Rhodes, let me tell you
that the best way to find somebody
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is not somebody
who leaves a card on your car
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- at Home Depot.
- Clearly.
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- Or anyplace else.
- [Michael Rhodes] Yeah.
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It was a difficult time
to find contractors, with Covid,
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and everything, at that time.
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And, at the time, also going to it,
'cause I read in the paper
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somewhere at the time,
he didn't have a license.
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[Mary Rhodes]
He did not.
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- And you knew he didn't have a license.
- Yeah.
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That's the first thing I told them,
Your Honor.
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[Judge Judy]
Just a second.
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They didn't say no, we didn't know.
They said we knew.
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So, you got somebody who had no license
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to do what you wanted him to do.
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- Mm-hmm.
- [Judge Judy] And you got his number
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from a card that he left
on your windshield.
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- Did you ask for references?
- Uh, I--
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- That's either a yes or a no.
- [Michael Rhodes] No.
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No, and I'm--
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I'm not really sure, actually,
a hundred percent
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on where I found that card,
I think it was--
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- [Judge Judy] It doesn't matter.
- Yeah.
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But we-- He did tell us
he was in the process
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- of getting his license...
- [muttering]
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[Mary Rhodes]
...that it was coming.
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- [Michael Rhodes] Yeah.
- [sighs]
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- [Mary Rhodes chuckles]
- [Michael Rhodes] I know.
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What does that mean?
It doesn't mean anything.
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You're two intelligent people, OK.
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So you hired an unlicensed contractor
to do work on your house
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and agreed to pay him $11,500.
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Now, Mr. Attar,
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the $11,000 included labor and materials,
is that correct?
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There was no material.
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- Labor and bins.
- [Judge Judy] No mat--
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Well, that's material,
labor and bins to remove--
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- Yes, ma'am.
- [Judge Judy] All the equipment
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- that you needed--
- Yes, ma'am.
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[Judge Judy]
to complete the job.
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- Yes, ma'am, I've got pictures--
- [Judge Judy] Is that correct?
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[Michael Attar]
of before, too.
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Of what I was supposed to do,
and I took a picture--
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Well, no-- I have that.
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You have the wrong picture, Your Honor.
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OK, I'd like to see the picture
that he has.
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[Michael Attar]
I was supposed to do it from the post
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all the way to the other post,
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- remove everything.
- [Judge Judy] OK.
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And the pool and the deck.
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[Judge Judy]
Mr. Attar, the $11,500
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was an all-inclusive figure.
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Yes, Your Honor.
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One of the things that became an issue
is a Bobcat?
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Correct.
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[Judge Judy]
From what I'm piecing together,
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you hired somebody in a Bobcat to do--
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a Bobcat, that's a big piece of equipment
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that knocks down something.
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I rented a Bobcat.
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And somebody who operated it?
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My worker.
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{\an8}[Judge Judy]
You didn't know how to operate the Bobcat.
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{\an8}I know how to op-- operate Bobcat,
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{\an8}but I was controlling
the demolition site, ma'am.
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I was, like, many things was going
at the same time,
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I had to control everything.
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Mr. Attar, something happened
with the Bobcat.
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The original one that you got.
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- What happened with it?
- It broke down on us.
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No.
It didn't break down on them,
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it broke down on you.
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- On us.
- [Judge Judy] It broke down on you.
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- Yes.
- So, what did you do?
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I took it back, and the next day
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they were supposed to deliver me
another one,
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but they sent me a drunk driver
and a broken-down,
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another broken-down Bobcat,
I returned it.
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At that moment, I asked Mrs. Rhodes,
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"Can you please go down--
down Home Depot",
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which is, like, a mile away,
so we can all stop wasting time,
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- rent a Bobcat and, uh--
- [Judge Judy] Just a second.
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Why should she rent a Bobcat, sir?
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Your $11,500 included the Bobcat.
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- But I was gonna pay for the Bobcat.
- [Judge Judy] No, no, no.
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If you're gonna pay for it,
that's one thing.
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Then what are you sending her for?
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If your $11,500 figure
included all materials,
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then she doesn't have to rent a Bobcat.
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If you rented one that didn't work,
rent one that works.
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How much of a down payment
did they give you?
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It was $4,000.
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When did you start the job?
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I started the job on...
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the 15th of, of January.
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[Judge Judy]
When did you leave the job?
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I was asked to leave on the se--
on the second of February.
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- On February 2nd?
- [Michael Attar] Yes, ma'am.
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I have to go back
or I'll call the cops on you.
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Between January 15th and February 2nd,
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other than the $4,000,
did they give you any other money?
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Yes, Your Honor, they did.
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[Judge Judy]
How much money did they give you?
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[Michael Attar]
They gave me up to $7,000.
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[Judge Judy]
So they gave you an additional $3,000?
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- Yes, in, in $1,000 checks.
- Shhh.
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Your Honor, that was
within the first week, we gave him that.
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- [Judge Judy] Doesn't matter to me.
- OK.
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My question was, between January 15th
and Feburary 2nd,
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- they gave you $7,000?
- Correct.
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Explain the other $4,200,
which is the check that they...
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- Stopped payment?
- [Judge Judy] Stopped payment on.
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Yeah. Uh, happily explain to you.
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The Bobcat that she rented,
uh, for me on her behalf,
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it cost $329 to rent per day.
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And I rented for one day only,
but they charged me $800--
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- No, that's not correct. [chuckles]
- [Judge Judy] Just a second.
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I didn't ask you anything.
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Do you have a photograph
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of what the property looked like
when you left?
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Yes, ma'am.
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The last picture I took.
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Before I was kicked out
of the property.
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You're talking, I'm not listening to you.
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{\an8}[Announcer]
Michael Attar claims his former clients,
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{\an8}Mary and Michael Rhodes,
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{\an8}owe for unpaid demolition work.
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Mary and Michael are countersuing
for lost wages, equipment rental,
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and missing property.
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Now, they paid you $7,000
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Right. Correct.
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[Judge Judy]
They wrote you another check...
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The final check was supposed to be
for $5,000, but they only gave me $4,200,
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because they minused $800
for the Bobcat rental.
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[Judge Judy]
Just a second.
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First of all, the total bill
wasn't seven and five.
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Seven and five, even my rudimentary math,
is $12,000.
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That would be $500 more
than your agreed contract,
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which was for eleven five.
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They, again, they gave me $6,500,
'cause they gave me small checks.
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- They gave me that first--
- [Judge Judy] Just a second.
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then they gave me smaller ones.
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Sir, you're the businessman,
whether you have a license or not.
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{\an8}I asked you before, how much money
did they give you
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{\an8}between January 15th and February 2nd,
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{\an8}and you said $7,000.
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{\an8}I didn't write it down, Your Honor.
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Well, you're here asking for money,
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and you have to write it down,
you have to have some--
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I'm asking for work
I've done performed already.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, sir.
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[Michael Attar]
And as I did the job, Your Honor,
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I did seven, eight other side jobs
for them.
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I don't care whether you did
seven or eight side jobs.
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Your original agreement with them
was for $11,500,
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including all material.
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Now, what you said to me
was that they gave you $7,000.
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And you said they're supposed
to give me another five.
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Well, another five is more
than your quote.
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Ma'am, the balance was five.
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- H--
- [Michael Attar] The initial check,
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then they gave me one thousand,
one thousand, one thousand.
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{\an8}[Judge Judy]
How much money did you give him
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{\an8}- altogether, that he cashed?
- $7,000.
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{\an8}[Judge Judy]
Then they owed you $4,500.
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Pursuant to your agreement
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- We agreed to $11,000, not eleven five.
- [Michael Attar] Eleven five, Your Honor.
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[Judge Judy]
Anybody have any proof--
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No, it was only a verbal contract.
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[Judge Judy]
of what the agreed amount was?
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We had a verbal contract
with me and Mr. Rhodes.
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Fine.
I will indicate that it's $11,500.
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If they gave you seven,
they don't owe you five,
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they owe you the difference
between eleven five
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and then the seven
that they gave you.
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Now, one of the things
that you disputed, Mr. Attar,
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was this Bobcat.
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Who paid for the Bobcat?
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Show me.
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They minused it, they minused it
from the final price.
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[Judge Judy]
Just a second.
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Was that an argument?
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{\an8}The argument about it, Your Honor,
is they rented for one day,
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{\an8}but they charged me two days.
$800.
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There's no Bobcat rental for $800
for two days.
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- Do you have the bill for the Bobcat?
- [Mary Rhodes] I do, yes.
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- And it was for two days
- If you go over a certain time--
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[Mary Rhodes]
because it was returned late.
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So they charged a second day.
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But in his text messages,
he did request it for two days.
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- [Judge Judy] Is that the total price?
- [Mary Rhodes] Yes.
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- And I did not subtract it from his--
- [Judge Judy] Just, just--
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[Mary Rhodes]
payment.
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- Total contract was 652.74?
- Yes.
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Do you have a photograph
of what the property looked like
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- when you left?
- [Michael Attar] Yes, ma'am.
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The last picture I took...
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before I was kicked out of the property.
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You're talking, I'm not listening to you.
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- Just show me a picture.
- Yes, ma'am.
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- This is not a picture--
- [Judge Judy] Mr. Attar,
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- you're the businessman.
- Yes, ma'am.
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- [Judge Judy] This is your company.
- Yes, ma'am.
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Company requires: "A", a license
before you operate, which you didn't have.
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"B", it requires a written contract.
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You're the businessman.
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{\an8}They're people who bought a house
who got your number
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{\an8}off a windshield someplace.
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{\an8}You're the businessman,
and you want the parameters,
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{\an8}you want them fixed.
So I don't know if it's 11,000,
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{\an8}or eleven five.
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- Do you understand?
- Very much, Your Honor.
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[Judge Judy]
Right. Well, that's your mistake.
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You look as if you've probably
been in business for a long time.
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Fourteen years.
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And is what you're telling me
you don't have written contracts?
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All my contracts are verbal.
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Then, how many times
have you been in court, sir?
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- [Michael Attar] Never.
- Never?
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I've never had a stop payment check.
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Everybody pays me on time,
Your Honor.
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[Judge Judy]
Here's the problem.
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So when you finished,
the debris wasn't all removed.
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[Michael Attar]
That was, they kept telling me
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don't touch it,
their neighbor, cousin,
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whoever, was gonna come pick it up.
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That was just cut corde wood.
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[Judge Judy]
No. There's brick, there's wood,
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- there's cement.
- We cleaned all that.
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- I came, uh, I personally cleaned--
- [Judge Judy] Just a second.
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What I asked you, Mr. Attar,
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was show me a picture
of the property when you left.
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This is the picture that you showed me.
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[Michael Attar]
That was the last, before I had more work,
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I came in and did more--
I wasn't taking pictures,
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I was not expecting somebody
to stop payment on a check, Your Honor.
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- I was not expecting that.
- [Mary Rhodes] I have pictures
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of what it looked like when he left.
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[Judge Judy]
Well, what are you showing me, here,
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this brick that's here?
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They piled it there
and then left it there.
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- That's what they wanted--
- [Judge Judy] Shhh!
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It was supposed to be removed.
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So this is the back.
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[Mary Rhodes]
That's a picture of the sagging patio,
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because he removed part of the supports
that were holding up the patio,
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that he wasn't supposed to,
so it's now sagging.
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[Judge Judy]
Now, this is the picture that you gave me
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when you told me
this is what you wanted...
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- [Mary Rhodes] Mm-hmm.
- Level, cleared and made flat.
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- [Mary Rhodes] Right.
- Now, I want to see your picture
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of what this looked like when he left.
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You have it, it's in, it's
in some of those photos.
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[Michael Attar]
That's leveled.
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- You're talking about this?
- [Michael Attar] Yes.
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[Mary Rhodes]
That's part of it.
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Th-- The close-up, that's part of it.
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[Judge Judy]
Well, it looks like most of the stuff
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is done.
It looked like a lot of clean-up left.
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No, ma'am, we'd done all the clean-up.
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Well, I would've seen that, sir.
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Then what you're supposed to do
is take a photograph.
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It was also,
it was also buried underneath.
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These are the photos
of when we did it ourselves,
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and really leveled it out.
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And as we were doing that
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we found so much buried underneath
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that should have been removed,
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but his Bobcat person buried it all.
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- [Michael Attar] Your Honor?
- He buried the--
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All the debris,
all the concrete, brick, and--
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[Judge Judy]
OK, let me see the bill from the--
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- Your Honor?
- [Judge Judy] Shhh!
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[Mary Rhodes]
No, we did it ourselves.
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We rented equipment
and did it ourselves.
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- On his vacation.
- Oh. Nice.
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[Judge Judy]
OK. $4,500 is so far what's owed
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on this contract.
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00:14:05,233 --> 00:14:08,767
Now, your counterclaim
is money owed for lost work,
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equipment rentals,
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labor and missing damages to property.
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What money owed for lost work?
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{\an8}[Mary Rhodes]
During the second week
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{\an8}that he was working,
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{\an8}he called and said
that his crew had left--
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{\an8}this was the second day of,
use of, supposed to be
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{\an8}- use of the Bobcat that I rented.
- I fired him, Your Honor.
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OK, if you interrupt me again,
I'm just dismissing your case.
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- Do you understand?
- Thank you, Your Honor.
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- [Judge Judy] Understand?
- Yes, ma'am.
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[Judge Judy]
Very good.
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Just explain "lost work".
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- Who's lost work?
- His.
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[Judge Judy]
Oh, I get it.
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- Well, he called and said his crew left,
- [Judge Judy] Forget it.
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00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:39,433
he can't finish the job--
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You weren't living there?
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- Not yet, no.
- [Judge Judy] You weren't living there.
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You want to go, go.
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I'm not interested in his lost wages
for taking care of his house.
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So far, you owe the man
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the balance on his contract,
unless you had somebody else do it,
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which is absolutely fine,
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and I would look at that,
removal of debris, what it cost you,
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and you're absolutely entitled to that.
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Deducted from what you owe him,
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which is $4,500.
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00:15:03,633 --> 00:15:05,734
- But he didn't finish the job.
- [Judge Judy] Just a second.
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You tell me, how am I supposed to gauge
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how much of the job he didn't finish?
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Did he not complete $2,500 worth?
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00:15:13,100 --> 00:15:15,633
$3,500 worth?
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$1,500 worth?
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[Mary Rhodes]
I think the seven we paid him
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was overpaid.
He didn't have to end up
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removing an entire pool.
He only had to remove--
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That's your problem.
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Just a second. I read that.
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You said it's not a big pool,
it wasn't eight feet,
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it was only 24 inches.
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00:15:28,734 --> 00:15:31,700
- He gave you a price
- Mm-hmm.
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to level everything.
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Nothing delineated,
nothing in a written contract.
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The pool turns out to be two feet
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instead of six feet, or two feet
instead of eight feet,
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well, if he was the contractor,
and he came out,
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and he looked at the pool, and he said,
oh, this is an eight-foot pool,
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and it turned out it's a 12-foot pool,
he'd be stuck with eleven five.
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00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,767
Just like you're stuck with eleven five,
because it was shallower.
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00:15:53,834 --> 00:15:56,967
Now, you owe him $4,500,
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unless you want to produce for me bills
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that you have for rental equipment, etc.,
and I will absolutely deduct that
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from the $4,500.
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00:16:06,133 --> 00:16:09,166
Just give me the bills
and the amount of equipment.
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00:16:09,233 --> 00:16:11,533
Don't-- Say nothing, Mr. Attar.
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00:16:13,166 --> 00:16:15,033
Mr. Rhodes, did you rent a Bobcat?
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- The one that I cleaned up the yard with?
- [Judge Judy] Yes.
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- Uh, I, I rented a piece of equipment--
- Jump up!
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[Michael Rhodes]
Yes.
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{\an8}And you know how they pick up metal?
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No, I don't know that, sir.
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I'm a television personality.
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I don't know about people
driving down the street to pick up metal.
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I've never had somebody
drive down the street
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and say, "I'm looking for metal."
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00:16:34,133 --> 00:16:37,800
They don't even come down my street
and ask if I want sharp knives.
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{\an8}[Announcer]
Michael Attar has accused
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{\an8}his former clients,
Mary and Michael Rhodes,
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{\an8}of refusing to pay for demolition work.
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00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,133
Mary and Michael claim
he never finished the job
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and stole their property.
433
00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,133
Now, what did you rent?
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- A skip loader.
- [Judge Judy] That's different
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- from a Bobcat.
- Yes, that's correct.
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- Smaller?
- I would say, bigger.
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00:17:09,066 --> 00:17:11,700
Bigger. And do you remember
how much it cost you?
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Uhh... [exhales]
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[Judge Judy]
Did you rent it from Home Depot?
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No, no, no.
It's from a local rental yard.
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I think it was in, um...
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- All the equipment we rented
- in Ontario.
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- was $1,300.
- Yeah.
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- Find it.
- [Michael Rhodes] Yeah.
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- [Mary Rhodes] I...
- Find the bill.
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00:17:23,433 --> 00:17:26,333
They didn't print it, so...
oh, my God...
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How many days did you have it, Mr. Rhodes?
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Four.
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[Judge Judy]
I'm dismissing your counterclaim,
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Mrs. Rhodes.
Do you want to know why?
451
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Because I asked him a specific question,
and you answered.
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- OK.
- [Judge Judy] Do you understand?
453
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,600
- Sure.
- [Judge Judy] You understand?
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[Judge Judy]
That part of your counterclaim,
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'cause you don't have it,
you can't find it,
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So, so far, you owe him $4,500.
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Not $8,600, but $4,500.
458
00:17:48,467 --> 00:17:51,066
Now, do you have any proof
459
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that Mr. Attar or someone from his team
460
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stole copper piping or whatever piping
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that you claim is missing?
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{\an8}Do you have any proof
that either Mr. Attar
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{\an8}or anyone under his authority
took property from you?
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00:18:04,433 --> 00:18:06,934
{\an8}Yes. We have text messages
back and forth.
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[Judge Judy]
OK, I'll read them.
466
00:18:24,867 --> 00:18:28,000
OK. So, what you're referring to
with regard to the stolen property is,
467
00:18:28,066 --> 00:18:30,333
You sent a picture, and there's
a little piece of pipe there,
468
00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:31,700
one piece of pipe, and you say,
469
00:18:31,767 --> 00:18:35,567
"Mike, did you or your guys
happen to grind off two metal poles
470
00:18:35,633 --> 00:18:39,266
in concrete blocks?
The kids use those for volleyball nets."
471
00:18:39,333 --> 00:18:43,166
And he says, "Oh, my God, no, sir,
but I am guessing the person
472
00:18:43,233 --> 00:18:47,734
whom I gave my metal to, no problem,
Michael, please give--"
473
00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,567
and I don't see the rest of this message.
474
00:18:50,633 --> 00:18:54,800
Yeah. So, the-- that was the beginning
of things we noticed that were missing.
475
00:18:54,867 --> 00:18:57,000
Oh. I don't care.
- If-
- If this is what you're talking about?
476
00:18:57,066 --> 00:18:59,934
Yes, he's saying he let a metal person
onto our yard,
477
00:19:00,066 --> 00:19:01,567
- [Judge Judy] OK.
- and they went and took everything
478
00:19:01,633 --> 00:19:02,567
- that was metal.
- [Judge Judy] OK.
479
00:19:05,867 --> 00:19:07,867
OK. Now, Mr. Attar...
480
00:19:07,934 --> 00:19:09,567
- Yes, Your Honor?
- [Judge Judy] I want you to tell me
481
00:19:09,633 --> 00:19:12,200
about the missing metal on this property.
482
00:19:12,266 --> 00:19:14,266
She was standing right there,
and I had, there was a metal guy
483
00:19:14,333 --> 00:19:15,533
driving down the street.
484
00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,400
And you know, how they pick up metal?
485
00:19:17,467 --> 00:19:20,233
No, I don't know that, sir.
I'm a television personality.
486
00:19:20,300 --> 00:19:23,400
I don't know about people driving
down the street to pick up metal.
487
00:19:23,467 --> 00:19:25,300
I've never had somebody
drive down the street and say,
488
00:19:25,367 --> 00:19:26,433
"I'm looking for metal."
489
00:19:26,500 --> 00:19:29,934
They don't even come down my street
and ask if I want sharp knives.
490
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,000
- Okay.
- [Judge Judy] Do you understand?
491
00:19:32,066 --> 00:19:33,000
- Very much, Your Honor.
- [Judge Judy] Do you understand?
492
00:19:33,066 --> 00:19:34,934
- Very much, Your Honor.
- OK. Who is this person--
493
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,533
This person was picking up metal.
494
00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,333
And I asked her permission
that maybe he comes on the property--
495
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:40,600
- [Judge Judy] Just a second.
- Yes, ma'am.
496
00:19:40,667 --> 00:19:42,800
Was this person
picking up metal for nothing?
497
00:19:42,867 --> 00:19:43,834
- Yes.
- [Judge Judy] Just a second.
498
00:19:43,900 --> 00:19:44,900
Yeah.
499
00:19:44,967 --> 00:19:47,300
You're a business guy, Mr. Attar.
500
00:19:47,367 --> 00:19:49,834
Somebody drives down the street
and says, you know,
501
00:19:49,900 --> 00:19:51,300
"I see you doing construction.
502
00:19:51,367 --> 00:19:56,133
Is there any metal around here
that you want me to dispose of?"
503
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:57,567
- Yes, ma'am, they do it a lot.
- [Judge Judy] Yes.
504
00:19:57,633 --> 00:19:59,100
And then they look around...
505
00:19:59,166 --> 00:20:00,800
this is what you're telling me--
they look around,
506
00:20:00,900 --> 00:20:03,200
and they take the metal for nothing?
507
00:20:03,266 --> 00:20:05,200
Yes, ma'am.
That's to be cheaper for me,
508
00:20:05,266 --> 00:20:08,734
instead of load it on my trailer
and take to the recycling tow yard--
509
00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,633
So, what metal did they take, sir?
510
00:20:10,700 --> 00:20:12,900
- I assume you watched.
- Everything that I gave him.
511
00:20:12,967 --> 00:20:14,033
- What did you give him?
- [Michael Attar] What was there.
512
00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:16,600
Nobody went up there
and cut no poles, ma'am.
513
00:20:16,667 --> 00:20:17,867
[Judge Judy]
Well, they sent you a picture
514
00:20:17,934 --> 00:20:20,266
of a pole, sir.
And in response to the picture
515
00:20:20,333 --> 00:20:22,400
of the pole, you said, "Oh, my God,
516
00:20:22,467 --> 00:20:25,600
I'm guessing the person
whom I gave my metal to,
517
00:20:25,667 --> 00:20:26,533
- [Michael Attar] I'm guessing.
- [Judge Judy] No problem,
518
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,066
and then you say later,
tell me what it is,
519
00:20:29,133 --> 00:20:32,533
and I will either look high and low
to get it back,
520
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,834
{\an8}or replace it.
That's what you say.
521
00:20:35,900 --> 00:20:37,033
- {\an8}-
- Yes, I would replace it.
- [Judge Judy] That's what you say.
522
00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:37,934
{\an8}Yeah, I would replace it.
523
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,767
{\an8}[Judge Judy]
Now, next question.
524
00:20:39,834 --> 00:20:43,166
I need an itemized list
of what the value was of the metal taken.
525
00:20:44,667 --> 00:20:46,667
I know there's a list of everything.
526
00:20:49,033 --> 00:20:50,000
They're listed in there.
527
00:20:56,967 --> 00:20:57,867
[Judge Judy]
What is this?
528
00:20:57,934 --> 00:20:58,867
[Mary Rhodes]
Those are all the damages,
529
00:20:58,934 --> 00:21:00,834
but the metal is listed
in there separately
530
00:21:00,900 --> 00:21:02,133
of the items that are missing.
531
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,133
No, it isn't.
This is a whole bunch of other things
532
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,867
that you've prepared for this case.
533
00:21:05,934 --> 00:21:07,367
[Mary Rhodes]
It's in there, underneath.
534
00:21:07,433 --> 00:21:08,800
There's the horse feeder,
535
00:21:08,867 --> 00:21:10,166
part of the corral was cut off--
536
00:21:10,233 --> 00:21:12,600
[Judge Judy]
But this is something that you wrote
537
00:21:12,667 --> 00:21:13,800
- yourself.
- [Mary Rhodes] Yes, you said
538
00:21:13,867 --> 00:21:15,734
- an itemized list--
- [Judge Judy] This isn't a--
539
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,867
If they took six feet of pipe,
get me a bill from Home Depot
540
00:21:18,934 --> 00:21:20,934
- for the replacement of that pipe.
- [Mary Rhodes] Oh.
541
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,900
- I have...
- [Judge Judy] All the bills
542
00:21:22,967 --> 00:21:24,900
for the replacement of metal.
543
00:21:24,967 --> 00:21:27,100
Not what you prepared
for this litigation.
544
00:21:27,166 --> 00:21:30,133
I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
Itemized list.
545
00:21:36,700 --> 00:21:38,767
[Judge Judy]
Did you take down a horse corral?
546
00:21:38,834 --> 00:21:40,967
No, Your Honor, I did not
take down a horse corral.
547
00:21:41,033 --> 00:21:42,767
- I had nothing to do--
- [Judge Judy] Horse corral, is that metal,
548
00:21:42,834 --> 00:21:44,900
- or is it--
- It's made out of galvanized metal, yeah.
549
00:21:44,967 --> 00:21:47,233
They cut pieces off of that
that were sticking up,
550
00:21:47,300 --> 00:21:49,867
- to take, to recycle, I guess.
- [Judge Judy] Just a second.
551
00:21:49,934 --> 00:21:52,700
- Was there a four-sided horse corral,
- [Mary Rhodes] Yes.
552
00:21:52,767 --> 00:21:54,734
- that looked like this,
- [Mary Rhodes] Yes.
553
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:59,066
- that they took down--
- They cut pieces that were sticking up
554
00:21:59,133 --> 00:22:02,200
above the horse corral,
attached to the horse corral.
555
00:22:02,266 --> 00:22:04,967
[Judge Judy]
You're being petty. You're being petty.
556
00:22:05,033 --> 00:22:07,200
$306, Ramm's price.
557
00:22:07,266 --> 00:22:09,633
Galvanized wall-mounted horse feeder.
558
00:22:09,700 --> 00:22:11,567
- Did you take a horse feeder?
- [Michael Attar] No, Your Honor,
559
00:22:11,633 --> 00:22:14,500
- I got no--
- You owe Mr. Attar $4,500.
560
00:22:14,567 --> 00:22:16,400
Judgment for the plaintiff.
Your counterclaim's dismissed.
561
00:22:16,467 --> 00:22:18,600
- We're finished.
- [Kevin] This court is adjourned.
562
00:22:20,166 --> 00:22:21,967
Well, he-- his equipment broke,
563
00:22:22,033 --> 00:22:24,200
and he wanted us
to rent the equipment for him.
564
00:22:24,266 --> 00:22:26,900
The equipment died because...
things breaks down.
565
00:22:26,967 --> 00:22:29,700
And then the next day, he calls
and says he can't finish it.
566
00:22:29,767 --> 00:22:31,867
At that moment,
I didn't have a credit card
567
00:22:31,934 --> 00:22:33,900
to my name.
568
00:22:33,967 --> 00:22:34,867
And that's the honest truth.
569
00:22:34,934 --> 00:22:37,767
So, we pretty much figured
that was job abandonment at that point.
570
00:22:37,834 --> 00:22:40,433
Yeah, I'm gonna have a written contract
in the future.
571
00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:42,133
- Don't hire him.
- Always hire a professional.
572
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,367
I could not believe
that your first question to him,
573
00:22:46,433 --> 00:22:48,567
when he said that he'd been working
as a contractor
574
00:22:48,633 --> 00:22:53,867
for 14 years was, and you've been working
all 14 of those years unlicensed?
575
00:22:53,934 --> 00:22:55,767
- Oh, yeah. [chuckles]
- I was waiting for the question.
576
00:22:55,834 --> 00:22:58,100
I was waiting at the edge of my seat,
and it never came.
577
00:22:58,166 --> 00:22:59,600
- Different minds.
- [chuckling]
578
00:22:59,667 --> 00:23:01,266
[Judge Judy]
Yeah. Should've slipped me a note.
579
00:23:01,333 --> 00:23:03,033
- I should've.
- You should've slipped me a note.
580
00:23:03,100 --> 00:23:06,467
No, that actually didn't cross my mind,
but that's a good question.
581
00:23:06,533 --> 00:23:08,867
Oral contracts and no license.
582
00:23:08,934 --> 00:23:10,667
And no license, but there's no question
he did the work.
583
00:23:10,734 --> 00:23:11,834
- Yeah.
- He did the work,
584
00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:16,667
and they were really dickering over
the, who was gonna absorb the cost
585
00:23:16,734 --> 00:23:19,100
of the second Bobcat that they had to get,
586
00:23:19,166 --> 00:23:20,200
which was really ridiculous.
587
00:23:20,266 --> 00:23:24,567
If they had had another contractor
who came and completed the job,
588
00:23:24,633 --> 00:23:26,834
- You would've noted that.
- [Judge Judy] I would've deducted it
589
00:23:26,900 --> 00:23:29,166
from the $4,500 that they owed him.
590
00:23:29,233 --> 00:23:31,166
[Judge Judy]
But absent that, the fact
591
00:23:31,233 --> 00:23:33,533
he rented some sort of piece of equipment,
and came and cleaned up the property
592
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,834
- Yeah.
- [Judge Judy] was not important to me,
593
00:23:35,900 --> 00:23:37,667
and the rest of their case was nonsense.
594
00:23:37,734 --> 00:23:40,767
Next time, they won't employ somebody
595
00:23:40,834 --> 00:23:43,400
- for $11,000
- Big job.
596
00:23:43,467 --> 00:23:45,767
from a card from your windshield.
597
00:23:45,834 --> 00:23:47,600
At Home Depot.
598
00:23:47,667 --> 00:23:49,834
From, you know, from wherever,
and not say,
599
00:23:49,900 --> 00:23:52,200
OK, listen, maybe I give him a shot.
600
00:23:52,266 --> 00:23:55,834
Give me three
of your last references to call.
601
00:23:55,900 --> 00:23:57,767
It's a good lesson to people out there,
doing work.
602
00:23:57,834 --> 00:24:01,600
I don't understand that.
Well, anyway...
603
00:24:01,667 --> 00:24:02,900
We're done.
604
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,066
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605
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