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This is your sister?
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They kidnapped my son.
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- No.
- No, ma'am.
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My kid was kidnapped.
You took my kid from me.
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You kidnapped my son.
No matter what...
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Just take a breath for a moment.
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I want my son to come home.
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[announcer]
This is Judy Justice.
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[theme music playing]
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{\an8}[announcer] Mary Farve and Jason Stockton
are suing Mary's brother,
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{\an8}Michael Manry, for medical bills
and personal belongings.
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[bailiff]
Court, come to order. All rise.
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Have a seat, please.
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{\an8}Hello, Judge. Case 2117,
Farve/Stockton versus Manry.
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- {\an8}-
- Thank you, Kevin.
- You're welcome.
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Mr. Manry, this is your sister?
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Correct.
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[Judy]
And that is her...?
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Fiancé.
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And you have a son who is 19?
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Yes, Your Honor.
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[Judy]
How many other children do you have?
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- I have three altogether.
- How old?
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One is almost 30, the other one is 18,
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and then I got the 19-year-old
which ain't here.
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Okay. And your son who is now 19
is the subject of this case.
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Who had custody of the children?
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I got custody of Dakota now.
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When did you get custody of the children?
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[Michael]
When he was 18 years old.
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[Judy]
Do you have those papers, sir?
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Yes, I do.
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[Judy]
May I see them, please?
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{\an8}Okay. So this grants you, sir,
legal and physical custody
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{\an8}of Dakota Manry
until further order of the court.
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So what this case is about now,
and I assume from what I've read
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that Dakota has certain special needs.
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{\an8}Yes, ma'am.
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{\an8}And because of his special needs,
he is unemployed.
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Did he finish any sort
of a high school? Any...
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He graduated.
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- [Judy] He graduated from high school?
- Yes. Yes.
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[Judy]
Did he go to a special school?
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He went to a regular school,
but he was in special education.
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And when he graduated,
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did he graduate when
he was living with you?
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Yes.
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[Judy]
Okay. So this is what your case is about.
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At some point, according to you,
you have a niece,
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and your niece wanted to have Dakota
come and stay with her
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for a couple of days.
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You were at the time,
according to your answer,
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sort of in between residences.
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You were evicted from one place
and going someplace else?
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I was in the process of moving.
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{\an8}I got my niece to go with me to,
you know...
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{\an8}I asked her if she'll bring me to go
get Dakota at my cousin's house.
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And she said, "Sure."
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Okay. Dakota went to live for a few days
at least at your niece's house?
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No, not live there.
No, not live there. No, ma'am.
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Well, he was there overnight.
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He was over there overnight.
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[Judy]
How many nights was he there overnight?
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I think about maybe a week.
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- [Judy] Okay.
- Or three days.
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- [Judy] So he was there...
- Yeah.
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{\an8}[Judy] During that time,
you, who are his aunt...
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{\an8}Yes, ma'am.
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{\an8}[Judy] ...went to your niece's house
and you saw Dakota there?
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Yes, ma'am.
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[Judy] And according to you,
became concerned because,
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according to you, it looked like
he hadn't showered in a week.
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He was in dirty clothes.
He just looked awful.
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[Judy] So you decided to take him
to live with you.
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I asked him, I said, "Do you want to come
to the house to stay,
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you know, a little while?"
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You know, where he can eat,
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because he looked
like he hadn't ate either.
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Okay. Well, this is what
your case is about.
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You decided to take him,
didn't discuss it with his father.
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During the time he was with you,
he had some expenses.
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You want his father
to be responsible for those expenses,
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and you want his father to return
certain of his personal property.
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That's what the case is about.
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- Yes, ma'am.
- [Judy] Okay.
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First, let me deal with all things legal.
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I have an order here
dated January 21st, 2021,
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which grants physical
and legal custody of Dakota to his father.
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Do you have any subsequent order
granting you custody or guardianship?
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is my question.
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I have power of attorney.
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That is not the same thing.
Can I see what they have?
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[Michael]
How can she have power of attorney
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when I didn't give her permission?
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Shh. Shh.
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Okay.
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{\an8}Okay. This was signed by Dakota.
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So he's giving you legal power
to act on his behalf?
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{\an8}Yes, ma'am.
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{\an8}[Judy] Now, Dakota,
by signing this power of attorney,
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he's saying that "I am a whole person,
and I give you the right
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to make medical decisions for me,"
if he can't do them.
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It's a general power of attorney
in case he becomes unable
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to make decisions on his own.
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This is an order of custody.
You have power of attorney.
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Power of attorney suggests to me
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that Dakota wants to
emancipate himself from his father,
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wants someone else
to act on his behalf.
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It becomes a complex question
because if Dakota has special needs
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and if he can't act on his own
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and a court has already ruled that
his father should have custody of him,
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either you have a power of attorney
and he's emancipated,
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in which case his father's not responsible
for any of his medical bills,
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or this is invalid because
he can't sign a power of attorney
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because he doesn't have
the mental capacity to understand
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all of the implications
of this power of attorney.
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Now, your nephew was in special classes.
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Yes, ma'am.
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And do you know what
the nature of his disabilities are?
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Fetal alcohol syndrome.
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Is that his diagnosis, sir?
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Yes, Your Honor.
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[Judy] He had, according to you,
after you took him from your niece's house
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and you do acknowledge you took him
without his father's permission?
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- Yes, ma'am.
- Yes, ma'am.
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We was not talking, me and him.
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Well, it doesn't make any difference
if you were talking or not.
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I didn't have his number
and I asked Dakota,
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{\an8}I said, "Text your daddy to let him
know you're coming with me."
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{\an8}Dakota said, and he showed me
where he texted Michael.
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{\an8}Now, I don't know if
it was on a different Facebook page.
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No. It's your responsibility to notify
his guardian who has custody
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that you have taken
physical custody of him.
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Right.
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[Judy] And when did you take
physical custody of him?
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Give me the month, day, and year.
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May 20th of this year, 2022.
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[Judy] Now, while you had
physical custody of Dakota,
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you indicate that he had surgery.
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Yes, ma'am.
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And part of what you want Mr. Manry
to pay for is the ambulance bill.
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What kind of surgery did he have?
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A brain surgery.
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And he had a feeding tube put in him.
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[Judy]
Just a second.
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What caused you to take him
to a hospital or to a doctor?
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[Mary] His...
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Your Honor,
when he arrived at the house on the 20th,
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he had very bad slurred speech
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and his balance was completely off.
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He was falling over.
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{\an8}Your Honor, it was like it was...
he was a drunken man.
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{\an8}[Judy]
Let me go back to you for a second, sir.
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While Dakota was with you
in the months just prior to May,
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did you notice Dakota
having difficulty in his gait?
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Not like he explained.
Now, that's going overboard.
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{\an8}- [Judy] No. Did you...
- But his balance was off. Okay.
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{\an8}Did you inquire?
Did you take him to the doctor?
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Yes, I did.
I took him actually right after I got him.
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[Judy] So you saw
that balance was off a while ago?
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When I noticed that he had headaches,
all right?
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'Cause his dream, thanks to me,
was wrestling.
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- He loves wrestling.
- Wrestling.
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[Michael]
I put him in wrestling.
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I talked to the promoters
and I did that for him.
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But when I seen they was telling me
he got body slammed,
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you know, and this and that,
I had to take him out of it.
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I got concerned
'cause he was complaining of headaches.
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So I made him an appointment
and I waited for a referral.
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Well, when the referral came in,
my kid was kidnapped.
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[Judy] So he never actually saw
the second doctor?
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- No.
- [Judy] Okay. Do you have any records?
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Well, I couldn't get the records.
I tried to get them.
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What if something went wrong
and my kid died during surgery?
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I couldn't even be there for him?
You know, anything could've happened.
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[Judy] Just a second,
I'm following you, sir.
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Now, when did him take him
for this brain surgery?
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[Mary]
I took him the first week of June.
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I took him to do a CAT scan
and as soon as she did that,
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we went to the hospital.
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We didn't leave the hospital.
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They put him in the ER and from the ER
we went to to Florence, Alabama,
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and then the surgeons there couldn't do it
because it was so big.
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What was so big?
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- The brain.
- Your Honor, they found a mass
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the size of a grapefruit.
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{\an8}The first week
Dakota came to stay with us
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{\an8}after we noticed the balance issues
and the slurred speech,
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she took him to Doctor...
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who diagnosed him
being severely malnutritioned.
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Your Honor, when he came to my house...
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- He's a liar.
- No, no, no, no, no.
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Okay, I'm sorry.
Your Honor, I'm sorry, my apologies.
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His leg was no bigger round than my wrist.
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I got it. Mr. Manry,
everything has to be put in perspective.
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You had a lot of things going on
and if Mr. Stockton's reporting to me
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is accurate, even though there might be
some bad feeling of the way your sister
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and her fiancé took
physical custody of Dakota,
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you really have to be in a position
to say thank you to them.
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Because you, for whatever reason,
not for lack of trying,
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nobody is suggesting for lack of trying,
you did try to take him to a doctor,
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you did see that there were
things wrong with him.
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I understand that it's not always
that easy to get the right specialist
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to get involved in this kind of surgery.
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But you really have to take a breath.
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And I assume it's accurate because
I cannot assume that anybody
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would perform brain surgery on a child
that was not necessary.
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- That they...
- Your Honor, why she couldn't call me
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- instead of calling her mother when...
- [Judy] Just a second. Just a second.
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Your sister should have called you
and told you that Dakota
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was going into the hospital
to have surgery.
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That would have been
the nice thing to do.
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- [Jason] Your Honor, she did.
- Did you do that?
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- She did.
- No, she did not.
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- She called their mother.
- I called my mama.
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Well, calling your mother...
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His phone was disconnected.
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I did not have the new number
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until he called me
or texted me with a bunch of drama.
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That's when I got his number.
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Drama? You took my kid from me.
You kidnapped my son. No matter what...
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[Judy]
Mr. Manry. Mr. Manry.
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What I want you to do
is just take a breath for a moment.
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Yes, ma'am.
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[theme music playing]
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Dakota kept texting me, you know.
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He kept on, like,
video chatting me and everything.
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And then all of a sudden,
like a light switch,
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he changed and everything.
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The boy's mind has been poisoned
by Mary and Jason.
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- No.
- So far, Mr. Manry,
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you're not losing this case.
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So I don't know what
you're agitated about.
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{\an8}[theme music playing]
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{\an8}[announcer] Mary Farve and Jason Stockton
claim Mary's brother,
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{\an8}Michael Manry, owes for medical bills
and personal belongings.
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Michael is countersuing,
saying they illegally took his son
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from his custody.
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Mr. Manry, Dakota was only at
your niece's house for a short while.
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You already told me that when
he came to you, his gait was off.
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So right before he went to stay
for a couple of days
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at your niece's house,
was his speech slurring?
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{\an8}No. He always had a speech impairment
because of the disability,
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but his speech was not slurred at all.
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That is a lie.
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Him having the skinny arms and all that,
that's all lies.
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[Judy]
Okay. I'm not talking about skinny arms.
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I'm talking about his slurred speech.
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What I was saying to, Mr. Manry,
is that I don't think
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there are any bad guys here.
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I don't think that you're a bad guy.
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And I don't think that your sister
and her fiancé meant any harm
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when they saw a situation
that they thought was dangerous.
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And as it turned out,
they were able to get him
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seriously needed medical care.
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That doesn't mean it was all done right.
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But what you're asking for is
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to be compensated by the defendant
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for the cost of the ambulance bill
that you incurred.
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Now, this power of attorney
was signed by Dakota,
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if, in fact, he had capacity
to sign this power of attorney.
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It was done two weeks
after his first surgery.
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So up until that time, even if I could
construe this as a valid document,
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his father had legal
and physical custody of Dakota.
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And I assume that's because
he has special needs
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and is unable to live on his own.
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Is your son able to live on his own?
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No. He never will.
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Okay. So that's what I assume
as a result of this order.
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If you want this order changed,
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you have to go back
to the court in Mississippi.
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You have to be declared his guardian.
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Your Honor, we did not want
to be declared his guardian.
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The reason the POA came about to start
with during the entire surgical...
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Your Honor, can I say something?
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The father was aware of it.
So was the mother.
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The mother was actually present
at most all of the appointments.
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[Judy] It doesn't matter. The mother
doesn't have custody, legal or physical.
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But we were under the impression
and were told she did,
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that he only had a temporary custody.
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So she showed up to say
she had to sign all the documents,
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she was gonna do this, she was gonna
do this, she was gonna do this.
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[Judy]
Did she sign the documents?
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She signed some, then under
social services' directions,
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Mary was informed she should go after
a power of attorney.
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It was discussed with both Dakota and her.
She could make the...
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It may be. It may be. That's not a lawyer.
That's bad advice.
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Now, just before I get to the issue
of clothing, property,
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whatever he has that's at your house
and where it should go from here,
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your first stop is to go back to the court
in Mississippi that issued this order.
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[Mary]
Yes, ma'am.
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And say to them,
"I need Dakota's law guardian."
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He'll be appointed a guardian for himself,
independent of you,
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and they will interview him
and they will do certain evaluations
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of him and determine
where it is that he wants to live.
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But you have to do that in court.
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You can't do that ad hoc because you
relied on his mother's statements
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that she had the authority
to sign off on these things.
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She did not until this is changed.
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And if you wanna change it,
you are free to go in and try
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and then Dakota will be interviewed
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and seen by a psychologist
or a psychiatrist
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and he'll have a medical evaluation
and determine
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whether or not he is a person
who actually requires guardianship.
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And if he requires guardianship, you can
petition for that and you'll have a trial.
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This is not that trial.
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Yes, ma'am.
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Did Dakota have Medicare?
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- [Mary] Medicaid.
- [Jason] Medicaid.
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He had Medicaid.
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That would pay for the ambulance ride.
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[Judy] Yeah, I just wanna know
if he had Medicaid. He did.
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I did give them the Medicaid number
and they keep sending me a bill
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{\an8}and I called them and they said
because it's a different state,
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{\an8}it's not covered.
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It doesn't matter. Tell them to send
their bills to his father.
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Tell them that you do not have custody
or guardianship of this child.
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His father has custody guardianship
and this bill is not yours.
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[Jason]
The bill is going to Dakota.
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They're going after Dakota for it
'cause Medicaid didn't pay for it.
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They may be going after Dakota for it.
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They will be very smart seeking payment
from people who can pay them,
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which is his parents.
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Right now you're not legally responsible
to pay for his ambulance bill.
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The only person who might be legally
responsible for it is his father.
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And that will be up
to the ambulance company to do.
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That's not your responsibility at all.
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So discount the ambulance bill.
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Next are Dakota's things.
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You want property
that he has at his father's house.
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So let me go back to you with regard
to my statement to you four minutes ago.
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You have to have
this custody order modified.
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You have to go back to the same court
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that issued a legal and physical custody
order of Dakota to his father
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and say,
"We would like guardianship of him.
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He wants to stay with us.
He's 19 years old."
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He will be interviewed.
He'll be analyzed.
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And if at the end of the day
you get guardianship of Dakota,
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then his father may or may not turn over
whatever property he has.
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Dakota's never worked,
so whatever property he has
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was either purchased or given to him
by either his mother or his father
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or other relatives.
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A lot of it was his mom
that paid for the stuff.
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[Judy]
I don't know that.
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Well, the bottom line is,
the bottom line is,
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what all this boils down to,
Your Honor...
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So far, Mr. Manry,
you're not losing this case.
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So I don't know what
you're agitated about.
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You're not losing.
You're not losing.
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What I'm telling the plaintiffs
is that if they think
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that they can provide a more pleasant,
stable environment for Dakota,
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they have the right to petition
for guardianship of him.
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Now, it would be in Dakota's best interest
long-term if he were to have contact
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- with both his mother and his father.
- [Jason] He does.
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Contact. I'm not saying live with.
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Mother, father, and his aunt
and his soon-to-be uncle.
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Soon as you make up your mind
and give her a ring.
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[laughs]
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[Judy]
It's in his best interest.
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He needs the largest community
that he can.
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I agree.
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Okay, we're gonna stop throwing barbs
because that only serves to inflame
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already raw emotions.
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[theme music playing]
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I want you to say, "I am angry that
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I wasn't consulted in this massive surgery
that your son had,
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but I'm grateful that it was done
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because if it wasn't done,
in all probability,
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he wouldn't be here."
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You just have to think about that.
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[theme music playing]
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{\an8}[announcer] Mary Farve and Jason Stockton
have accused Mary's brother,
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{\an8}Michael Manry,
of owing for an ambulance bill.
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Michael claims Mary and Jason took his son
without his permission.
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What I'm telling you
is a very simple procedural thing
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where you have to go.
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You can't sue him
for the return of Dakota's things
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unless you have guardianship of Dakota.
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Understood.
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Because he already is the subject
of a recent order of custody from a court.
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That's what you have to have.
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You can take that bill
from the ambulance service,
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put it in an envelope,
we'll get you the address
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and that's where that goes.
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That's his father, who is his legal parent
under this order.
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So send that bill to them
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so you don't have to worry
about that bill.
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As far as his property is concerned,
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that has to go along
with an order of custody or guardianship,
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and that's something that you should do.
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But, Mr. Manry, I am not making a decision
with regard to his custody or not.
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What I'm asking you is,
until a court reviews
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whatever orders they're going to make with
regard to custody and guardianship first,
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I know you may be angry,
but they probably saved his life
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by getting him
to the doctor that they did.
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And if they removed
a massive tumor from his brain,
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you should say,
"Thank you for doing that."
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'Cause it was a month
after he was living with you.
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Someone else took your son
and saved his life.
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And for that at least
you have to be grateful.
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You can be angry.
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You can be angry
that you didn't get it done before.
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You can be angry that somebody else
did it without consulting you.
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You can be angry at all of those things.
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But at the same time,
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you have to feel grateful
that it was done.
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There wasn't no reason for them
kidnapping my son.
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[Judy] Okay, Mr. Manry, you keep
going back to the same song.
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- Your Honor, may I address that?
- [Michael] And I was worried about him.
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You keep going back to the same song.
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And what I'm saying to you is,
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their next stop
if Dakota wants to live with them,
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and he's right now over 19 years old,
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{\an8}is to the court who issued the order
to modify that order.
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{\an8}All I'm saying to you is,
I want you to say,
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"I am angry that I wasn't consulted
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or didn't participate in
this massive surgery that your son had,
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but I'm grateful that it was done
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because if it wasn't done,
in all probability,
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he wouldn't be here."
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You just have to think about that.
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What I'm telling you is,
you have to love your child
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more than you at this moment
dislike your sister and her fiancé
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because they were able
to take control of a situation
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and get your child fixed.
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So is Dakota, just for my own,
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is Dakota angry with his father?
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He's angry that his father
won't return any of his wrestling...
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He is correct.
He is a huge wrestling fanatic.
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00:21:02,100 --> 00:21:04,500
Okay. What particularly does he want?
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He wants his wrestling?
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00:21:05,834 --> 00:21:08,600
He wants his wrestling belts.
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They have replica belts that were made.
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He wanted his PlayStation 4
and the wrestling game.
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00:21:13,433 --> 00:21:15,734
Okay, well, PlayStation 4,
I'm not interested in that.
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He wants his wrestling belts?
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Yes, ma'am.
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Your Honor, can I show you
something right quick on my phone?
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Dakota kept texting me, you know.
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He kept on, like,
video chatting me and everything.
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And then all of a sudden,
like a light switch,
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he changed and everything.
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The boy's mind has been poisoned
by Mary and Jason.
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No.
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What I'm telling you, Mr. Manry,
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that's for enough court and another day
when Dakota has a lawyer,
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{\an8}you may have a lawyer,
to modify this custody order.
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00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:43,600
{\an8}Right now he would like
his wrestling belts.
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I want my son to come home to me.
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00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,500
Okay, then I strongly urge you
to go to court,
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file a petition against them
for custodial interference,
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or you go to court and file
an application for guardianship of Dakota,
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which is
a much more positive thing to do,
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and let a court that
has the social work services,
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the psychiatric services,
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evaluate Dakota and figure out
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in whose best interests
are we supposed to place faith.
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And I think if he is
a thinking young man,
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and you told me that he is
because he wants these things
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that are important to him,
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he should be able to have a say
with whom he lives.
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Now, you have my ruling.
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Your next stop, folks,
is to modify the order
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of the court in Mississippi
that gave his father custody,
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physical and legal custody of him.
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You have to petition for guardianship.
That's your next step.
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00:22:35,367 --> 00:22:37,367
So, in that regard,
your case is dismissed.
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Send the ambulance bill
to his father.
469
00:22:38,767 --> 00:22:39,633
[Michael]
Hey, I got a countersuit, Your Honor.
470
00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:40,567
We're done.
471
00:22:40,633 --> 00:22:42,767
- [bailiff] This court is adjourned.
- I'm not hearing it, sir.
472
00:22:42,834 --> 00:22:44,500
Okay.
473
00:22:44,567 --> 00:22:46,066
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474
00:22:46,133 --> 00:22:48,433
{\an8}I did everything I can for my kids and...
475
00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:50,333
{\an8}My brother, he said nothing but lies.
476
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,800
{\an8}When somebody takes your kid
without your permission...
477
00:22:52,867 --> 00:22:55,633
{\an8}But, you know, that's him.
I mean, that's what he does.
478
00:22:55,700 --> 00:22:57,500
{\an8}You don't know where they're at
and you're going crazy
479
00:22:57,567 --> 00:22:58,400
{\an8}because you don't know
where your kid's at.
480
00:22:58,567 --> 00:22:59,433
{\an8}That's kidnapping.
481
00:22:59,500 --> 00:23:03,166
{\an8}I should get a thank-you out of it,
but he's not gonna do that.
482
00:23:03,233 --> 00:23:05,533
{\an8}I want my son to come home to his daddy
'cause I love him very much.
483
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:06,467
{\an8}That's my son.
484
00:23:06,533 --> 00:23:09,400
{\an8}It's about him. It's not about her.
It's not about her and her brother.
485
00:23:09,467 --> 00:23:10,467
{\an8}It's not about me and her brother.
486
00:23:10,533 --> 00:23:12,967
{\an8}My son, I love him.
I'd do anything in the world for him.
487
00:23:13,033 --> 00:23:14,433
{\an8}It's about Dakota.
488
00:23:16,133 --> 00:23:19,266
So you didn't listen to
the defendant's counterclaim back there
489
00:23:19,333 --> 00:23:22,600
for emotional distress,
for I believe it was $3500.
490
00:23:22,667 --> 00:23:24,133
I would've given that to him.
491
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,166
I don't think anyone
was acting maliciously in this case.
492
00:23:27,233 --> 00:23:28,367
Like you said to the father,
493
00:23:28,433 --> 00:23:32,066
he should be grateful that his son
is alive and his sister took action
494
00:23:32,133 --> 00:23:33,967
when he might have been
stumbling a little bit.
495
00:23:34,033 --> 00:23:36,700
But that's what
that cause of action is for,
496
00:23:36,767 --> 00:23:39,367
when someone takes an action
that was legally incorrect,
497
00:23:39,433 --> 00:23:41,633
and here the plaintiffs
had no legal right
498
00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:43,066
to take him to get that surgery.
499
00:23:43,133 --> 00:23:46,133
I agree that he should have had it
and it all came from a good place.
500
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,000
However, when you take an action
that causes somebody else
501
00:23:49,066 --> 00:23:50,767
such severe emotional distress,
502
00:23:50,834 --> 00:23:54,033
and I would consider
taking someone else's child
503
00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:57,133
in for the riskiest surgery
that probably exists
504
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,100
qualifies as causing
some severe emotional distress.
505
00:24:00,166 --> 00:24:02,567
So I probably would've
awarded him that if I was ruling.
506
00:24:02,633 --> 00:24:07,133
Well, so let me give you the reason
that I didn't even bother to hear it.
507
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,033
Mm-hmm.
508
00:24:08,100 --> 00:24:13,900
I think the aunt and her fiancé
had nothing but pure motives
509
00:24:13,967 --> 00:24:19,133
in taking this 19-year-old who they say
appeared to be malnourished.
510
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,033
Mm-hmm.
511
00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:23,233
And they say was diagnosed
as being malnourished,
512
00:24:23,300 --> 00:24:25,633
which is possible,
and it's possible that it was all related
513
00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:27,166
to this brain tumor that he clearly had...
514
00:24:27,233 --> 00:24:30,633
- Mm-hmm. Of course.
- ...that was impairing his stability,
515
00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:32,233
and he was with
his father for a year...
516
00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:34,467
- Yeah.
- ...while this tumor was growing.
517
00:24:34,533 --> 00:24:36,600
I don't think that
they had malicious intent.
518
00:24:36,667 --> 00:24:37,667
Neither do I.
519
00:24:37,734 --> 00:24:40,467
And I think that
but for their actions,
520
00:24:40,533 --> 00:24:43,500
this 19-year-old boy
probably would be dead.
521
00:24:43,567 --> 00:24:46,367
If they took out the tumor
that was the size of a grapefruit,
522
00:24:46,433 --> 00:24:49,266
I would say, six months later
or eight months later,
523
00:24:49,333 --> 00:24:52,600
there's a strong probability
that it would affect the optic nerve.
524
00:24:52,667 --> 00:24:55,300
It would affect the carotid artery
and gone.
525
00:24:55,367 --> 00:24:59,233
So although I could understand
his annoyance,
526
00:24:59,300 --> 00:25:05,066
from the time he went to live with him
until his surgery was a month,
527
00:25:05,133 --> 00:25:08,066
and I actually don't believe
that this father didn't know
528
00:25:08,133 --> 00:25:12,066
where he was for a month because
they evidently have a living mother
529
00:25:12,133 --> 00:25:13,767
who they're both in touch with.
530
00:25:13,834 --> 00:25:16,266
He was moving around,
phone disconnected.
531
00:25:16,333 --> 00:25:19,233
At the hospital, the mother showed up.
532
00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:21,633
She said, "I can sign the documents."
533
00:25:21,700 --> 00:25:25,867
Well, you know, you're involved
in major surgery for a child.
534
00:25:25,934 --> 00:25:30,900
Your focus is not on your brother who
did not take care of business for a year.
535
00:25:30,967 --> 00:25:34,400
So I'm gonna leave that up
to a family court judge
536
00:25:34,467 --> 00:25:36,567
to determine who should have custody.
537
00:25:36,633 --> 00:25:40,767
And I probably guarantee you
that custody will remain with his aunt
538
00:25:40,834 --> 00:25:42,333
because that's what Dakota wants.
539
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,767
Father may be angry,
but that's what's gonna happen.
540
00:25:44,834 --> 00:25:46,567
I have no doubt
that the father loves him.
541
00:25:46,633 --> 00:25:48,667
He did not take good care of him
for the year.
542
00:25:48,734 --> 00:25:49,667
Sure.
543
00:25:49,767 --> 00:25:53,200
And so I wasn't going to reward that
by giving him any money
544
00:25:53,266 --> 00:25:56,900
against these people who had nothing
but the child's best interest,
545
00:25:56,967 --> 00:26:01,033
when for a year he really didn't take care
of business with his son.
546
00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:03,467
And that's why I didn't hear his case
for emotional distress.
547
00:26:03,533 --> 00:26:05,100
Understood. Thank you.
548
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,266
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550
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