1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,200 {\an8}My mom was terminally ill. 2 00:00:02,266 --> 00:00:04,133 I'm holding her stuff because it's sentimental. 3 00:00:04,934 --> 00:00:06,633 There's a picture of me and my mother. 4 00:00:06,700 --> 00:00:07,767 That's all I wanted. 5 00:00:07,834 --> 00:00:09,300 Did you tell that to your sister? 6 00:00:09,367 --> 00:00:10,567 Yes, I did. 7 00:00:12,533 --> 00:00:14,433 I mean, I can get it. You know, I-- 8 00:00:14,500 --> 00:00:17,166 This is Judy Justice. 9 00:00:17,266 --> 00:00:20,767 {\an8}♪ 10 00:00:33,300 --> 00:00:39,233 {\an8}Shatonya Bentley is suing her sister, Calvise Bentley, for moving costs. 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:40,867 Court come to order. 12 00:00:40,934 --> 00:00:42,233 All, rise. 13 00:00:43,333 --> 00:00:44,633 Have a seat, please. 14 00:00:46,233 --> 00:00:49,600 Hello, Judge. Case 2106, Bentley versus Bentley. 15 00:00:50,233 --> 00:00:51,467 - Okay, thank you. - You're welcome. 16 00:00:52,967 --> 00:00:54,433 Ms. Bentley, this is your sister. 17 00:00:54,500 --> 00:00:56,734 - Yes. - The case is relatively simple. 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,934 Your mom passed away a couple of years ago. 19 00:00:59,033 --> 00:01:02,000 There was a house full of furniture that belong to your mother. 20 00:01:02,066 --> 00:01:04,400 According to what I've read, and this is broad strokes. 21 00:01:04,467 --> 00:01:06,333 According to what I read, your sister-- 22 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:07,900 - What's your first name? - Calvise. 23 00:01:07,967 --> 00:01:11,033 Put your mother's property in a storage unit. 24 00:01:11,100 --> 00:01:12,567 Excuse me. It was already in storage. 25 00:01:12,633 --> 00:01:13,567 Who had put it in storage? 26 00:01:13,633 --> 00:01:16,567 My mom put it in storage. My mom was terminally ill, 27 00:01:16,633 --> 00:01:19,166 and she put it in storage three months before she passed away. 28 00:01:19,233 --> 00:01:20,700 - Is that correct? - Yes. 29 00:01:20,767 --> 00:01:22,667 On what date did your mom pass? 30 00:01:22,734 --> 00:01:24,834 November the 8th, 2018. 31 00:01:25,166 --> 00:01:28,633 {\an8}So it would've been in storage since August of 2018? 32 00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:30,600 - {\an8}- - Correct. - From August till November, 33 00:01:30,700 --> 00:01:32,066 who paid for the storage unit? 34 00:01:32,133 --> 00:01:34,800 - I have been paying it. - And how much is it every month? 35 00:01:34,867 --> 00:01:38,400 Right now it's 209, but it was 182 in the beginning. 36 00:01:38,467 --> 00:01:41,166 {\an8}Right about $200 a month, and it's been three years? 37 00:01:41,233 --> 00:01:42,834 {\an8}Yes, I've been paying it every month. 38 00:01:42,900 --> 00:01:44,800 {\an8}This is what your case is about. 39 00:01:44,867 --> 00:01:47,467 You say that you gave your sister $900 40 00:01:47,533 --> 00:01:49,734 for the purpose of traveling, 41 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,967 getting your mother's things out of storage 42 00:01:52,100 --> 00:01:55,200 so that you could all disperse your mother's property. 43 00:01:55,266 --> 00:01:57,266 {\an8}Yes. But the amount is incorrect. 44 00:01:57,333 --> 00:02:00,100 {\an8}- What's the amount? - I gave her $800. 45 00:02:00,166 --> 00:02:02,000 {\an8}- Okay. $800. - Yes. 46 00:02:02,066 --> 00:02:06,233 In order to get your mother's furniture to where you live. 47 00:02:06,300 --> 00:02:09,233 - Uh-huh. - So that you could separate the furniture 48 00:02:09,300 --> 00:02:11,967 and the family could take what they wanted 49 00:02:12,033 --> 00:02:14,033 or needed of the property, correct? 50 00:02:14,100 --> 00:02:16,200 - That's correct. - Good. Then COVID struck, 51 00:02:16,266 --> 00:02:19,133 your sister didn't use that money to travel, 52 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,467 to hire truckers to move the furniture, and you want that money back. 53 00:02:23,533 --> 00:02:25,900 - Yes, that's correct. - That's the whole case. Okay. 54 00:02:25,967 --> 00:02:29,767 Just for my own information, you do expect when that furniture arrives 55 00:02:29,834 --> 00:02:33,767 to be one of the beneficiaries of that furniture, 56 00:02:33,834 --> 00:02:35,000 that's what your sister says. 57 00:02:35,066 --> 00:02:38,000 She says that that's the plan once it all comes back. 58 00:02:38,066 --> 00:02:40,333 {\an8}That's not correct. I didn't want anything out of the storage, 59 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,333 {\an8}- but pictures. - Pictures? 60 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,800 - Yeah. - Well, pictures of things. 61 00:02:44,867 --> 00:02:46,967 - Yes. That's it. - Pictures of what? 62 00:02:47,266 --> 00:02:51,133 There's a picture of me and my mother. That's all I wanted. 63 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:52,934 Did you tell that to your sister? 64 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,166 - Yes, I did. - Did she? 65 00:02:54,233 --> 00:02:56,400 - No. - How many sisters are there? 66 00:02:56,467 --> 00:02:59,700 It's only two of us now. It was four, two deceased. 67 00:02:59,767 --> 00:03:01,567 Did your mother have any other property? 68 00:03:01,633 --> 00:03:05,300 My mother has a whole two-bedroom home and the storage. 69 00:03:05,367 --> 00:03:08,000 - She has furniture, everything. - Other than furniture. 70 00:03:08,066 --> 00:03:12,066 No. Clothes, well, clothes, pictures, yes. Things like that, yes. 71 00:03:12,133 --> 00:03:15,600 Is there any property in that storage unit that you want? 72 00:03:15,667 --> 00:03:18,367 Well, I'm holding her stuff because it's sentimental. 73 00:03:18,433 --> 00:03:21,200 I mean, I can get it, you know-- You know, I wouldn't mind having it, 74 00:03:21,266 --> 00:03:22,500 but it's really it-- 75 00:03:22,567 --> 00:03:23,900 she got a lot of sentimental stuff in there, 76 00:03:23,967 --> 00:03:25,233 so that's what I've been paying. 77 00:03:25,300 --> 00:03:26,867 - Furniture? - Yes, furniture. 78 00:03:26,934 --> 00:03:28,633 - Furniture. - Pictures, everything, you know. 79 00:03:28,700 --> 00:03:31,934 Okay. How far away is the storage unit from where you live? 80 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,600 It's in Charlotte, North Carolina. 81 00:03:33,667 --> 00:03:35,867 - How far away? - Ten-hour drive. 82 00:03:35,934 --> 00:03:36,867 We stay in Michigan 83 00:03:36,934 --> 00:03:38,934 and the storage is in North Carolina, Charlotte. 84 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,333 {\an8}Anybody that you know live there close to the storage unit? 85 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,266 {\an8}My aunt and my cousin does. 86 00:03:44,333 --> 00:03:47,533 {\an8}And this picture that you wanted, do you know where it is? 87 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,500 It's in the photo album with the rest of the pictures. 88 00:03:50,567 --> 00:03:53,533 And other than that one picture in a photo album, 89 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,166 you don't want anything else, 90 00:03:55,233 --> 00:03:56,667 - any of the other property. - No. 91 00:03:56,734 --> 00:03:59,100 You two were the heirs, is that right? 92 00:03:59,166 --> 00:04:00,367 We have a brother. 93 00:04:00,433 --> 00:04:02,667 Does he have, as far as you know, 94 00:04:02,734 --> 00:04:04,533 any interest in any of your mother's properties? 95 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,200 No. When my mom passed, 96 00:04:06,266 --> 00:04:07,734 it was me, my niece 97 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,567 and my older brother there at the time of death. 98 00:04:10,633 --> 00:04:12,400 And so he got everything he wanted out 99 00:04:12,467 --> 00:04:15,066 {\an8}and he gave me the key because I was the next to older one 100 00:04:15,133 --> 00:04:18,600 {\an8}'cause she wasn't there, so he was like, "So y'all do what y'all wanna do with it." 101 00:04:18,667 --> 00:04:22,033 And so that's when I told her I'll pay it until we go get it. 102 00:04:22,100 --> 00:04:25,500 You said, "I'll pay for the storage until we go and get it?" 103 00:04:25,567 --> 00:04:27,166 - Yeah. - Okay. Now I'd like you to tell me 104 00:04:27,233 --> 00:04:29,200 about this money that she gave you. 105 00:04:29,266 --> 00:04:30,400 Do you remember when she gave you the-- 106 00:04:30,467 --> 00:04:34,400 Gave me the money, I wanna say May of 2020. 107 00:04:34,467 --> 00:04:36,100 And can you tell me what the conversation was 108 00:04:36,166 --> 00:04:38,266 - when she gave you the money. - It was, here is the money 109 00:04:38,333 --> 00:04:40,800 to go towards going to get the things, you know. 110 00:04:40,867 --> 00:04:43,800 And so I told her, "Well, I'll find a way to go get it." 111 00:04:43,867 --> 00:04:45,567 I didn't never give her a designated time, 112 00:04:45,633 --> 00:04:47,400 but during that time that was COVID, 113 00:04:47,467 --> 00:04:51,700 so no one was able to go, and so I was gonna go this year 114 00:04:51,767 --> 00:04:54,467 because I just signed the papers to go and go get the stuff. 115 00:04:54,533 --> 00:04:56,800 But no one still was able to go. 116 00:04:56,867 --> 00:04:59,767 She never once said that this was money long to go get it. 117 00:04:59,834 --> 00:05:02,266 No, no, no. No. She had designated it 118 00:05:02,333 --> 00:05:04,367 - to go and get the property? - Yes. 119 00:05:04,433 --> 00:05:07,133 And you didn't use it to go and get the property. 120 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:08,667 - I used it to towards the storage. - No. 121 00:05:08,734 --> 00:05:09,700 I'm sorry, go ahead. No. 122 00:05:09,767 --> 00:05:11,100 - The answer is no. - No. 123 00:05:11,166 --> 00:05:12,433 So that's what her complaint is, 124 00:05:12,500 --> 00:05:15,633 that it wasn't used for its intended purpose, 125 00:05:15,700 --> 00:05:18,734 which was to go rent a truck, movers, 126 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,700 and bring the property to where you both live. 127 00:05:20,767 --> 00:05:23,500 - Yeah. Mm-hmm. - Okay. And she did give you $800. 128 00:05:23,567 --> 00:05:25,433 - Yes. - Okay. And Ms. Bentley, 129 00:05:25,500 --> 00:05:28,100 you're prepared to sign a document that indicates 130 00:05:28,166 --> 00:05:31,233 that the only property you want from storage 131 00:05:31,300 --> 00:05:35,467 {\an8}is a photograph of you and your mother that's in a photo album 132 00:05:35,533 --> 00:05:37,433 - {\an8}- - Yes. - That you want nothing else, 133 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:41,900 that everything else belongs to either your sister or any other heirs 134 00:05:41,967 --> 00:05:45,433 that have the legitimate claim on any of that property. 135 00:05:45,500 --> 00:05:47,734 - But you want nothing else. - That's fine. 136 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,066 - Reasonable? - Fine. 137 00:05:50,300 --> 00:05:52,066 I'm entering a judgment for the plaintiff 138 00:05:52,133 --> 00:05:55,100 for the amount of $800 with the proviso 139 00:05:55,166 --> 00:05:58,567 that the plaintiff will in fact, sign that document 140 00:05:58,633 --> 00:06:02,667 indicating she wants nothing but one photograph from the storage unit. 141 00:06:02,734 --> 00:06:05,767 - I gave her 150 back. - Did she give you 150 back? 142 00:06:05,834 --> 00:06:07,500 She did give me 150 back. 143 00:06:07,567 --> 00:06:09,967 You paid her back, so she owes you 650. 144 00:06:10,033 --> 00:06:11,834 - Mm-hmm. - Judgement for the plaintiff, 650. 145 00:06:11,900 --> 00:06:13,533 - Thank you very much. - Thank you. 146 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,000 This court is adjourned. 147 00:06:15,734 --> 00:06:18,166 {\an8}It was my mother's stuff. I just was trying to get the stuff. 148 00:06:18,233 --> 00:06:19,867 {\an8}It was in storage for long enough. 149 00:06:19,934 --> 00:06:22,166 - {\an8}- - We haven't talked in a whole year. - We're not close. 150 00:06:22,233 --> 00:06:24,033 {\an8}You know, all she want is the picture? I'll give her a picture. 151 00:06:24,100 --> 00:06:25,300 {\an8}At least I got what I wanted. 152 00:06:25,367 --> 00:06:27,166 {\an8}We still sisters, still love her. 153 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,066 - Those looked like two nice sisters, - Mm-hmm. 154 00:06:31,133 --> 00:06:34,667 and I think part of that problem is the intervention of COVID, 155 00:06:34,734 --> 00:06:37,200 which really turned everybody's life upside down. 156 00:06:37,266 --> 00:06:38,367 Especially family units. 157 00:06:38,433 --> 00:06:40,533 Family units, 'cause I think that that was the intention, 158 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,100 - that she was gonna pay for it - Mm-hmm. 159 00:06:42,166 --> 00:06:44,233 or be brought up, use that money 160 00:06:44,300 --> 00:06:46,533 and then they would go through the property 161 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,600 and decide who wanted what and what would be disposed of. 162 00:06:49,667 --> 00:06:53,467 It's not an egregious case of misappropriation of funds. 163 00:06:53,533 --> 00:06:55,567 - All well-intentioned, I think. - Well-intentioned. 164 00:06:55,633 --> 00:06:57,367 I thought it was a sweet case. 165 00:06:58,700 --> 00:07:00,934 Case 2111, Banks versus Mitchell. 166 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,734 All parties, please step forward. 167 00:07:03,300 --> 00:07:05,300 Queen Vanessa Banks 168 00:07:05,367 --> 00:07:08,000 {\an8}is suing her former friend, Fulton Mitchell 169 00:07:08,066 --> 00:07:11,133 for an unpaid loan and stolen money. 170 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:12,900 Ms. Banks, what kind of work do you do? 171 00:07:12,967 --> 00:07:16,367 I'm a city contractor for the city and county of San Francisco. 172 00:07:16,433 --> 00:07:18,934 How long have you been working for the city of San Francisco? 173 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,433 30 years. You're a full-time employee? 174 00:07:21,500 --> 00:07:24,300 No, I'm a contractor, so I'm used as needed. 175 00:07:24,367 --> 00:07:27,300 Well, in the last month, how many days have you worked? 176 00:07:27,367 --> 00:07:29,633 Like around 40 hours the whole month. 177 00:07:29,700 --> 00:07:32,433 - How do you support yourself? - I'm on disability. 178 00:07:32,500 --> 00:07:33,834 How long have you been on disability? 179 00:07:33,900 --> 00:07:38,000 {\an8}Since roughly like a month, February of 2022. 180 00:07:38,066 --> 00:07:40,300 {\an8}When you applied for disability, 181 00:07:40,367 --> 00:07:44,800 were you originally rejected or did they accept your claim? 182 00:07:44,867 --> 00:07:46,734 I was rejected three times actually. 183 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,400 So when you started collecting in February of 2022, 184 00:07:50,467 --> 00:07:54,233 you got a big check for back disability? 185 00:07:54,300 --> 00:07:56,734 - Yes, ma'am. - I know my business. 186 00:07:56,867 --> 00:07:58,600 How much of a check did you get? 187 00:07:58,667 --> 00:08:00,700 - I got, um... - Don't think-- 188 00:08:00,767 --> 00:08:02,900 7,000 the first time 189 00:08:02,967 --> 00:08:08,033 and they just submitted me like 8,000 a month or two ago 190 00:08:08,100 --> 00:08:10,734 {\an8}and then there was some more coming and they all came yet. 191 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:11,667 {\an8}Mm-hmm. 192 00:08:11,734 --> 00:08:14,266 {\an8}They advised you, because you were rejected 193 00:08:14,333 --> 00:08:16,233 as you said, two or three times, 194 00:08:16,300 --> 00:08:19,233 that there would be a total amount coming to you. 195 00:08:19,300 --> 00:08:21,934 You got a letter from the administration. 196 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,500 - Yes, ma'am. - Yes. And what is the total amount 197 00:08:24,567 --> 00:08:27,767 that they told you you would be receiving in increments? 198 00:08:27,834 --> 00:08:29,967 I think it was, like, 18,000. 199 00:08:30,033 --> 00:08:31,834 And you had a lawyer at the appeal. 200 00:08:31,900 --> 00:08:34,633 - Yes, ma'am. - Now when you applied for disability, 201 00:08:34,700 --> 00:08:37,600 did you say that there was no kind of work that you could do? 202 00:08:40,166 --> 00:08:41,667 {\an8}How jaundiced. 203 00:08:41,734 --> 00:08:45,033 {\an8}I know that people put money in somebody else's bank 204 00:08:45,100 --> 00:08:48,433 {\an8}when they wanna hide it from the government, creditors, 205 00:08:48,500 --> 00:08:50,900 {\an8}a spouse looking for support, 206 00:08:50,967 --> 00:08:54,600 {\an8}or what I would call nefarious reasons 207 00:08:54,667 --> 00:08:57,367 {\an8}to put money in somebody else's bank. 208 00:09:08,767 --> 00:09:13,266 {\an8}Queen Vanessa Banks claims her former friend, Fulton Mitchell 209 00:09:13,333 --> 00:09:16,033 stole money from their shared bank account. 210 00:09:16,100 --> 00:09:17,867 And when you applied for disability, 211 00:09:17,934 --> 00:09:20,700 did you say that there was no kind of work that you could do? 212 00:09:20,767 --> 00:09:23,367 - Well, actually-- - No, no, not actually. 213 00:09:23,433 --> 00:09:25,333 They're giving you $18,000. 214 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,300 They said that they should have taken your case 215 00:09:27,367 --> 00:09:30,000 when you first applied for disability. 216 00:09:30,066 --> 00:09:33,834 So they had to have found that you could not hold gainful employment. 217 00:09:33,900 --> 00:09:37,200 That's what it's all about when you get federal disability. 218 00:09:37,266 --> 00:09:39,633 - Right. - Right. So I wanna know what 219 00:09:39,700 --> 00:09:43,233 these 40 hours a month that you worked last month 220 00:09:43,300 --> 00:09:45,300 as an independent contractor, 221 00:09:45,367 --> 00:09:48,066 what kind of independent contractor were you? 222 00:09:48,133 --> 00:09:51,567 I actually sit on Zooms and I am a consultant, 223 00:09:51,633 --> 00:09:54,500 so I'm on Zooms most of the time. 224 00:09:54,567 --> 00:09:56,567 And when you're not on Zooms, where are you? 225 00:09:56,633 --> 00:09:59,033 - At home. - What do you consult about? 226 00:09:59,100 --> 00:10:02,600 I am an urban consultant, so I work with various people 227 00:10:02,667 --> 00:10:06,667 that's trying to find out about urban living and mental health. 228 00:10:06,734 --> 00:10:08,700 Basically working around mental health. 229 00:10:08,767 --> 00:10:10,633 - How are you paid? - They might-- 230 00:10:10,700 --> 00:10:12,600 - No, not "might." - They mail a check. 231 00:10:12,667 --> 00:10:14,367 What do you do with that check? 232 00:10:14,433 --> 00:10:17,166 I usually cash it at a store in a community. 233 00:10:17,233 --> 00:10:20,333 You cash it. What is your hourly wage? 234 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,233 - As a consultant? - Yeah. 235 00:10:22,300 --> 00:10:25,367 I'm used to paid, like, 130 a hour. 236 00:10:25,433 --> 00:10:29,033 And what's the amount of money you get from disability a month, 237 00:10:29,100 --> 00:10:33,400 {\an8}not counting these extra payments for when they denied your disability? 238 00:10:33,467 --> 00:10:34,934 {\an8}A thousand dollars. 239 00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:37,433 So you get a thousand dollars a month, 240 00:10:37,500 --> 00:10:41,266 plus $130 an hour times the last month, 241 00:10:41,333 --> 00:10:46,433 you said was 40 hours, so you make four, $5,000 a month 242 00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:49,600 - from your consulting job, the City-- - No way. 243 00:10:49,667 --> 00:10:53,400 Well, am I correct, Whitney, that Ms. Banks said 244 00:10:53,467 --> 00:10:56,667 that she worked about 40 hours last month? 245 00:10:56,734 --> 00:10:59,433 - Can I explain something? Not all-- - No. No. 246 00:10:59,500 --> 00:11:02,200 She said "Around 40 hours the whole month." 247 00:11:02,266 --> 00:11:05,300 Okay, would you tell me what she says she earns an hour. 248 00:11:05,367 --> 00:11:09,834 - It's usually 130 an hour. - $5,200. 249 00:11:09,900 --> 00:11:12,700 And when you get the checks for these consulting things, 250 00:11:12,767 --> 00:11:14,166 you take them and you cash them. 251 00:11:14,233 --> 00:11:15,800 - Yes, ma'am. - That's either a yes or no. 252 00:11:15,867 --> 00:11:18,767 Do you work as a sole independent contractor 253 00:11:18,834 --> 00:11:22,333 or do you have an LLC or corporation? 254 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,333 - No, ma'am. - So the checks are made out to you. 255 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,867 - {\an8}- - Yes, ma'am. - As an independent contractor, 256 00:11:27,934 --> 00:11:31,066 - {\an8}- - Yes, ma'am. - you have to pay your own taxes. 257 00:11:31,133 --> 00:11:33,700 {\an8}So you have 1099 from all these people? 258 00:11:33,767 --> 00:11:34,633 Yes, ma'am. 259 00:11:34,700 --> 00:11:37,667 What did you declare on your taxes last year? 260 00:11:37,734 --> 00:11:40,567 - I didn't file taxes last year, ma'am. - Why not? 261 00:11:40,633 --> 00:11:44,700 {\an8}You said you've been working in this capacity on and off for 30 years. 262 00:11:44,767 --> 00:11:46,667 {\an8}Because ma'am, where I come from, 263 00:11:46,734 --> 00:11:50,033 a lot of the work is volunteer-work considered, 264 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:52,000 and you are given a stipend, 265 00:11:52,066 --> 00:11:55,734 and some of the work I do sometimes I don't even get paid, 266 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,333 but I still do the work. 267 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,300 Listen, you know exactly where I'm going. 268 00:11:59,367 --> 00:12:00,600 We're two savvy people. 269 00:12:00,667 --> 00:12:02,900 When you cash those checks, 270 00:12:02,967 --> 00:12:05,500 because this is what the case is about, for some reason, 271 00:12:05,567 --> 00:12:09,667 'cause I'm trying to figure out why somebody puts money 272 00:12:09,734 --> 00:12:12,300 into somebody else's bank account, 273 00:12:12,367 --> 00:12:14,834 because part of this case is about that, 274 00:12:14,900 --> 00:12:18,300 {\an8}you and Mr. Mitchell became friends maybe a little bit more than friends. 275 00:12:18,367 --> 00:12:20,633 {\an8}I know at some point, according to you, 276 00:12:20,700 --> 00:12:24,600 you gave him money to hold in his bank account 277 00:12:24,667 --> 00:12:28,667 because his bank account was closer to where you are 278 00:12:28,734 --> 00:12:32,000 and you didn't wanna go on two buses to where your bank was. 279 00:12:32,066 --> 00:12:34,333 - Am I getting that right? Is that what-- - No. No, ma'am. 280 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,100 Let's see, I'll tell you why I made these inquiries to you. 281 00:12:38,166 --> 00:12:42,900 “I was struggling to find a way to get access to my money. 282 00:12:42,967 --> 00:12:45,300 I always took the bus to the bank, 283 00:12:45,367 --> 00:12:48,367 but during COVID, public transportation shut down 284 00:12:48,433 --> 00:12:51,266 and was completely unreliable and I was in a bind.” 285 00:12:51,333 --> 00:12:52,400 This is what you wrote. 286 00:12:52,467 --> 00:12:54,333 When Fulton heard about my problem, 287 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,567 he offered to hold my money for me in his bank. 288 00:12:57,633 --> 00:13:00,166 He said that he didn't keep any money in that account, 289 00:13:00,233 --> 00:13:04,767 so it would be perfect because his bank was right where I worked. 290 00:13:04,834 --> 00:13:07,333 I only know of several reasons 291 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,934 why strangers put money in somebody else's account. 292 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,500 You know, I may have an account with Sarah, 293 00:13:14,567 --> 00:13:17,467 I may have an account with one of my other grandchildren, 294 00:13:17,533 --> 00:13:20,300 I have an account with my husband, 295 00:13:20,367 --> 00:13:25,934 but I've had a best friend for 70 years, another best friend for 30 years, 296 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,367 and I would never think of putting money in their bank account 297 00:13:29,500 --> 00:13:31,367 because there are banks all over the place. 298 00:13:31,433 --> 00:13:34,367 I'm just telling you, you know, how jaundiced. 299 00:13:34,433 --> 00:13:38,100 I know that people put money in somebody else's bank 300 00:13:38,166 --> 00:13:39,400 when they wanna hide it, 301 00:13:39,467 --> 00:13:41,667 when they wanna hide it from the government, 302 00:13:41,734 --> 00:13:45,333 creditors, a spouse looking for support, 303 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,867 a spouse looking for alimony, 304 00:13:47,934 --> 00:13:51,133 a contractor who has a judgment against them, 305 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,300 or what I would call nefarious reasons 306 00:13:55,367 --> 00:13:57,834 to put money in somebody else's bank. 307 00:13:57,900 --> 00:14:02,000 But let us say that you did put money in his bank account, 308 00:14:02,066 --> 00:14:04,066 and you say that money was withdrawn, 309 00:14:04,133 --> 00:14:08,567 your money was withdrawn from that account to pay his taxes. 310 00:14:08,633 --> 00:14:10,600 - Is that what you're alleging? - Yes, ma'am. 311 00:14:10,667 --> 00:14:14,166 Okay. How much was withdrawn from his account 312 00:14:14,233 --> 00:14:17,667 that only his name was on or was your name on it, too? 313 00:14:17,734 --> 00:14:20,367 - My name was on it, too. - Oh, there we go. 314 00:14:20,433 --> 00:14:24,066 Now I can understand it why you might owe taxes. 315 00:14:24,133 --> 00:14:25,867 {\an8}I don't know anything about his business, 316 00:14:25,934 --> 00:14:28,567 {\an8}but I can certainly understand that you might. 317 00:14:28,633 --> 00:14:31,700 {\an8}Did you receive notice that the IRS 318 00:14:31,767 --> 00:14:33,667 took money out of this bank account 319 00:14:33,734 --> 00:14:36,100 which was then, a joint bank account? 320 00:14:36,166 --> 00:14:38,033 - No, I did not. - So with her name was on it, 321 00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:39,633 - it was a joint account. - Uh, it was not. 322 00:14:39,700 --> 00:14:41,667 It was my account and I added her name to my account. 323 00:14:41,734 --> 00:14:43,667 That's okay. That makes it a joint account. 324 00:14:43,734 --> 00:14:44,900 - Yes. - Okay, well, I didn't have 325 00:14:44,967 --> 00:14:46,200 that information in here 326 00:14:46,333 --> 00:14:48,867 because joint account is absolutely different. 327 00:14:48,934 --> 00:14:51,433 Joint account means that the money belongs to both of you. 328 00:14:51,500 --> 00:14:53,233 Now, what makes makes you think 329 00:14:53,300 --> 00:14:56,734 {\an8}that the money that was taken out of the account was to pay his taxes? 330 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,233 - {\an8}- - Because I have proof. - I'd like to see it. 331 00:15:09,266 --> 00:15:12,100 What account is this? Whose money is that? 332 00:15:12,166 --> 00:15:14,166 - Mine. - Explain that to me. 333 00:15:14,233 --> 00:15:19,867 This is a deposit here for $988.68. 334 00:15:19,934 --> 00:15:23,200 - What is that? - That's when the pandemic hit 335 00:15:23,266 --> 00:15:26,000 and the struggle started getting hard trying to get money. 336 00:15:26,066 --> 00:15:28,166 And being that man was business partners, 337 00:15:28,233 --> 00:15:31,200 that's when he decided to try to help me out. 338 00:15:31,266 --> 00:15:33,567 You know, I neither have the time 339 00:15:33,633 --> 00:15:37,800 or the interest to hear about the nuances of this stuff 340 00:15:37,867 --> 00:15:41,200 because I don't have the wherewithal 341 00:15:41,266 --> 00:15:46,266 either emotionally or structurally to figure out the whole scam. 342 00:15:46,333 --> 00:15:50,633 I haven't figured it all out yet, but I'm beginning to figure it out. 343 00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:54,500 So you deposited 988. 344 00:15:54,567 --> 00:15:58,300 and then withdrew at some point in May. 345 00:15:58,367 --> 00:16:01,500 That was on June 9th. I don't have the rest of it here. 346 00:16:01,567 --> 00:16:07,033 But you withdrew $1,600 from that account on May 25th. 347 00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:09,367 Do you remember what that was for? The sixteen-- 348 00:16:09,433 --> 00:16:10,433 May 25th? 349 00:16:10,500 --> 00:16:16,233 Yeah, May 25th, $1,600, June 3rd, tax levy, 2,711. 350 00:16:16,300 --> 00:16:18,834 The May 25th is-- 'cause that's my daughter's birthday, 351 00:16:18,900 --> 00:16:21,066 and I spent time with my daughter, 352 00:16:21,133 --> 00:16:25,000 and then the June 3rd tax levy is why I'm here with you today. 353 00:16:25,066 --> 00:16:28,000 What kind of business were you in together with the defendant? 354 00:16:28,066 --> 00:16:30,100 - You want me to answer that? - No, you answer. 355 00:16:30,166 --> 00:16:31,400 What type of business we had together? 356 00:16:31,467 --> 00:16:33,600 He works for the city and county. 357 00:16:33,667 --> 00:16:38,467 I'm a grassroot organizer, so I work within his organization 358 00:16:38,533 --> 00:16:41,200 so that we can do things together. 359 00:16:41,266 --> 00:16:42,133 That's not true. 360 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,400 Your Honor, I have proof. I do work with his organization. 361 00:16:45,467 --> 00:16:48,467 - I'm putting on a Halloween event-- - I don't care. 362 00:16:48,533 --> 00:16:49,934 Let's understand each other. 363 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,100 I don't care because something doesn't smell right for me. 364 00:16:53,166 --> 00:16:55,700 And if something doesn't smell right with this nose, 365 00:16:55,767 --> 00:16:59,266 it's usually accurate. Usually. 366 00:17:02,266 --> 00:17:06,033 {\an8}You said you took out a thousand dollars, when and for what purpose? 367 00:17:06,133 --> 00:17:09,100 {\an8}I took out a thousand dollars and I gave it to Ms. Banks. 368 00:17:09,166 --> 00:17:11,667 - {\an8}- - That's not what you said. - What did I say? 369 00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:15,700 {\an8}It's not what you said. It's not what you swore to. 370 00:17:15,767 --> 00:17:17,400 {\an8}♪ 371 00:17:27,633 --> 00:17:29,533 Queen Vanessa Banks 372 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,333 {\an8}is suing her former friend, Fulton Mitchell 373 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,266 for an unpaid loan and stolen money. 374 00:17:35,834 --> 00:17:38,734 When someone puts money in somebody else's bank account, 375 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,667 it's because they're trying to somehow shield that money 376 00:17:41,734 --> 00:17:43,633 from some sort of scrutiny. 377 00:17:43,700 --> 00:17:46,333 If your only source of income, which you would like me to believe 378 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,567 is this thousand dollars from disability 379 00:17:48,633 --> 00:17:50,834 and the $18,000 that you're going to get 380 00:17:50,900 --> 00:17:52,467 {\an8}for retro-acting on disability-- 381 00:17:52,533 --> 00:17:54,367 {\an8}She was on some other kind of services also. 382 00:17:54,433 --> 00:17:56,500 {\an8}I don't know whether it was SSI or something. 383 00:17:56,567 --> 00:17:57,533 When she first came to me, 384 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,066 she wanted me to hold the money and put it in my account 385 00:18:00,133 --> 00:18:01,600 because she didn't want to mess up her money. 386 00:18:01,667 --> 00:18:03,967 That's not true. That's not true, Your Honor. 387 00:18:04,033 --> 00:18:07,734 {\an8}He started helping me in 2019. 388 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,700 {\an8}In 2020, he asked me for a loan 389 00:18:11,767 --> 00:18:15,000 to help one of his daughters, of $1,900. 390 00:18:15,066 --> 00:18:17,600 We were both trying to start up a business. 391 00:18:17,667 --> 00:18:20,033 We didn't know the pandemic was gonna come, Your Honor. 392 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:21,333 We was trying to start up a business. 393 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:22,834 I've never tried to started up a business. 394 00:18:22,900 --> 00:18:24,667 - Just a second-- - Your Honor, I got proof, 395 00:18:24,734 --> 00:18:25,734 'cause he lying to you. 396 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:26,767 Just a second. 397 00:18:26,834 --> 00:18:29,100 I don't care that you were starting a business, 398 00:18:29,166 --> 00:18:30,800 it doesn't make any difference to me. 399 00:18:30,867 --> 00:18:32,600 It really doesn't make any difference to me. 400 00:18:32,667 --> 00:18:34,100 You had a joint account, 401 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,834 and the IRS took money out of that joint account. 402 00:18:36,900 --> 00:18:39,133 - Was that your tax debt? - I don't know. 403 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,800 The answer is you don't know. 404 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,867 Okay. Well, this says that it was the levy 405 00:18:44,934 --> 00:18:49,533 from California Franchise Tax Board was against Fulton W. Mitchell. 406 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,100 - That me. - That's what it's here. 407 00:18:51,166 --> 00:18:53,333 I asked her to show me that, I said "Prove it to me." 408 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:54,834 No, she never showed me that ever. 409 00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:57,133 Okay, so my question to you was, sir, 410 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,166 because of course you have to pay your own taxes. 411 00:18:59,233 --> 00:19:00,433 - Yes, ma'am. - Right? 412 00:19:00,500 --> 00:19:03,166 You would acknowledge that this bank account 413 00:19:03,233 --> 00:19:05,300 had only her funds in it? 414 00:19:05,367 --> 00:19:06,767 No, it had my funds in it, too. 415 00:19:06,834 --> 00:19:09,233 Show me any deposits that you made into this-- 416 00:19:09,300 --> 00:19:11,934 Well, I had money in way before I put her money into my account. 417 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,467 It's been my account for over ten, fifteen years. 418 00:19:14,533 --> 00:19:17,367 - {\an8}- - What I want to see, Mr. Fulton-- - Yes. 419 00:19:17,433 --> 00:19:22,633 {\an8}Is any place where you deposited 2,711, 420 00:19:22,700 --> 00:19:24,633 because that's what they took out. 421 00:19:24,734 --> 00:19:27,467 No, I didn't deposit 2,711 into that account. 422 00:19:27,533 --> 00:19:28,900 - Ever? - No. 423 00:19:28,967 --> 00:19:31,667 Okay, good. This responsibility is yours. 424 00:19:31,734 --> 00:19:34,300 - You would acknowledge that it's yours? - Yes. Yes. 425 00:19:34,367 --> 00:19:37,633 Okay, so that's $2,700 which you in fact owe her. 426 00:19:37,700 --> 00:19:41,233 She probably owes IRS or the state of California more money 427 00:19:41,300 --> 00:19:45,233 because I'm not sure that they know where all this money is going. 428 00:19:45,300 --> 00:19:47,767 Did you take any other money out of that account? 429 00:19:47,834 --> 00:19:48,700 - No, ma'am. - Yes, you did. 430 00:19:48,767 --> 00:19:50,166 You took out a thousand dollars. 431 00:19:50,233 --> 00:19:53,233 You acknowledged you took out a thousand dollars by accident, 432 00:19:53,300 --> 00:19:55,333 you said, sir, and you said you paid it back. 433 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,467 - She got it back. - Okay, well then don't say-- 434 00:19:57,533 --> 00:19:59,233 - That's not true, Your Honor. - Shh! Don't speak. 435 00:19:59,300 --> 00:20:01,700 You got into enough trouble, right? So far. 436 00:20:01,767 --> 00:20:05,533 You said you took out a thousand dollars when and for what purpose? 437 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,066 I took out a thousand dollars and I gave it to Ms. Banks. 438 00:20:08,133 --> 00:20:11,500 - That's not what you said. - What did I say, um, Miss Judy? 439 00:20:13,367 --> 00:20:15,433 It's not what you said. It's not what swore to. 440 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:18,300 You said, "There was a time when I accidentally withdrew 441 00:20:18,367 --> 00:20:21,033 a thousand dollars from the account that belonged to Vanessa, 442 00:20:21,100 --> 00:20:24,567 - but I paid her back in June 2022." - There you go. 443 00:20:24,633 --> 00:20:25,734 I said-- What do you mean "There you go"? 444 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,767 I said, when did you take money out of her account? 445 00:20:28,834 --> 00:20:30,266 That was the only time I took the money out. 446 00:20:30,333 --> 00:20:33,266 - Well, tell me about it. - Vanessa started harassing me. 447 00:20:33,333 --> 00:20:35,800 She started showing up to my job and just doing all kind of stuff. 448 00:20:35,867 --> 00:20:38,400 - So I was just trying to get rid of her. - And? 449 00:20:38,467 --> 00:20:41,600 So I took the money out and gave it to her, and I'm-- 450 00:20:41,667 --> 00:20:43,266 Just a second. Put your hand down. 451 00:20:43,333 --> 00:20:45,700 - Don't you understand what you signed? - Yeah. 452 00:20:45,767 --> 00:20:49,734 You said, "I accidentally took money out of her account, 453 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,900 but then I gave it back to her." 454 00:20:51,967 --> 00:20:55,066 Because if you accidentally took it out, it means it didn't belong to you. 455 00:20:55,133 --> 00:20:59,066 When did you accidentally take it out and when did you give it back to her? 456 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,467 {\an8}I took out the money and the money was given to her. 457 00:21:01,533 --> 00:21:05,000 {\an8}That was it. I didn't-- that was it. I was done with it. 458 00:21:05,066 --> 00:21:07,900 I was done with her, I was done with--with all of it. 459 00:21:07,967 --> 00:21:10,600 “There was a time when I accidentally withdrew 460 00:21:10,667 --> 00:21:13,667 a thousand dollars from the account that belonged to Vanessa, 461 00:21:13,734 --> 00:21:17,467 but I paid that back in June 2022.” 462 00:21:17,533 --> 00:21:20,467 Those words are mixed up a little bit there. 463 00:21:20,567 --> 00:21:22,533 That's what I read. That's your answer, sir. 464 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,934 "As for the rest of the money she claims I owe her 465 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,600 it's all a bunch of lies. 466 00:21:26,667 --> 00:21:31,400 I never took a $1,900 loan and don't owe money for the IRS." 467 00:21:31,467 --> 00:21:33,066 Well, you do owe money for the IRS, 468 00:21:33,166 --> 00:21:35,900 because one of the things I think that everybody has to pay 469 00:21:35,967 --> 00:21:38,133 is their own tax levy and their own child support. 470 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,767 - You would acknowledge that. - I agree. 471 00:21:39,834 --> 00:21:44,166 Okay, tell me about this loan of $1,900, Ms. Banks. 472 00:21:44,233 --> 00:21:48,533 Mr. Mitchell had fell into a lot hardship in the pandemic, 473 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:53,767 and he came to me and asked me could I loan him $1,900 474 00:21:53,834 --> 00:21:55,633 to help out one of his daughters. 475 00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:59,233 And I gave it to him, and he agreed to pay it back. 476 00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:02,166 And we was just like trying to handle business together, 477 00:22:02,233 --> 00:22:03,500 so and I thought he was a friend. 478 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,467 Show me proof that you gave him $1,900. 479 00:22:06,533 --> 00:22:07,800 It was cash, Your Honor. 480 00:22:07,867 --> 00:22:10,567 The thousand dollars he said he handed me back in June, 481 00:22:10,633 --> 00:22:12,433 that was from the 1,900. 482 00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:14,100 I'm not following you, madam. 483 00:22:14,166 --> 00:22:16,266 Are you saying that he in total owed you-- 484 00:22:16,333 --> 00:22:20,767 Forget the IRS, 2,900, a thousand dollars, that he took in 19? 485 00:22:20,834 --> 00:22:24,367 - He asked for $1,900 in cash. - I never asked you for $1,900. 486 00:22:24,433 --> 00:22:27,600 - I gave him $1,900 in cash. - Not true. 487 00:22:27,667 --> 00:22:31,500 Then he paid me back a thousand in June of 2022. 488 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,200 If I have money in my account, why would I ask you for $1,900? 489 00:22:34,266 --> 00:22:36,266 I would just go in there and grab it. That makes no sense. 490 00:22:36,333 --> 00:22:37,700 Just a second. Why are you talking to her? 491 00:22:37,767 --> 00:22:39,100 - I'm sorry. - Where do you think you are? 492 00:22:39,166 --> 00:22:42,066 I'm sorry. I apologize. She's never given me no $1,900. 493 00:22:42,166 --> 00:22:45,000 She's never given me anything in cash, period, ever. 494 00:22:45,066 --> 00:22:47,100 - I have proof. - I'm willing to look at it. 495 00:22:47,166 --> 00:22:50,667 Yes. I told him that I needed to move forward with it, 496 00:22:50,734 --> 00:22:54,033 and if you don't give me what I need, I'll put it in writing. 497 00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:55,767 Well, you may put it in writing. 498 00:22:55,834 --> 00:22:57,633 Well, you sent this to him, and it says, 499 00:22:57,700 --> 00:23:02,400 "Acknowledgement of monetary debt in the amount of $4,600." 500 00:23:02,467 --> 00:23:05,967 You typed this up and he never signed it. 501 00:23:06,033 --> 00:23:08,867 - No, he never signed it. - Yeah, well, then it's meaningless. 502 00:23:08,934 --> 00:23:10,066 You can type up anything. 503 00:23:10,133 --> 00:23:13,967 I can type up something that says I own all of Sarah's real estate. 504 00:23:14,033 --> 00:23:16,500 If she doesn't sign it, I don't own anything. 505 00:23:16,567 --> 00:23:18,667 Well, that's where a thousand dollars came from, 506 00:23:18,734 --> 00:23:20,533 'cause he was trying to cover that. 507 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,934 Yeah. You know, somehow, I think I'm dealing with-- 508 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,867 I'm not sure about one or two people who manage to master the system. 509 00:23:27,934 --> 00:23:31,233 - No, not at all-- - I don't know. I don't know. 510 00:23:31,300 --> 00:23:32,900 All I know is if somebody is working-- 511 00:23:32,967 --> 00:23:35,567 - ...for twenty-five years-- - Just a second, just a second. 512 00:23:35,633 --> 00:23:40,200 There's a reason why she asked to be added 513 00:23:40,266 --> 00:23:42,266 to your bank account. Do you understand? 514 00:23:42,333 --> 00:23:43,300 Yes, ma'am. 515 00:23:43,367 --> 00:23:45,633 You don't-- Look, 'cause if you're a foolish man, 516 00:23:45,700 --> 00:23:50,200 what was the reason she gave you for wanting to have a bank account 517 00:23:50,266 --> 00:23:52,600 where you were the primary on that bank account? 518 00:23:52,667 --> 00:23:54,734 What was the reason she gave you? 519 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,000 She gave me the reason that she didn't want it to mess up her income. 520 00:23:57,066 --> 00:23:58,233 - That's not true. - Just a second. 521 00:23:58,300 --> 00:24:00,233 So she said "I don't want it to m--" 522 00:24:01,033 --> 00:24:02,667 She said she didn't wanna put it in her name 523 00:24:02,734 --> 00:24:04,900 'cause she didn't wanna mess up her income that she had coming in. 524 00:24:04,967 --> 00:24:07,467 - Her income from what? - Some kind of assistance. 525 00:24:07,533 --> 00:24:09,000 I'm not sure exactly what it was. 526 00:24:09,066 --> 00:24:12,900 Whatever. Anyway, got a nice windfall, $18,000. 527 00:24:12,967 --> 00:24:15,233 By the way, I have one other question for you. 528 00:24:15,300 --> 00:24:19,867 In your complaint, which you read and signed and swore to, 529 00:24:19,934 --> 00:24:24,867 "Fulton heard about my problems with money and where to put it. 530 00:24:24,934 --> 00:24:27,800 And he offered to hold my money in his account. 531 00:24:27,867 --> 00:24:29,834 He said he doesn't keep any money in there, 532 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:34,500 so it would be perfect, because his bank was right where I worked." 533 00:24:34,567 --> 00:24:37,433 Where was his bank? And where do you work? 534 00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:40,667 I work in the community that I was born and raised in, 535 00:24:40,734 --> 00:24:42,100 - which is Bay View-- - Okay. 536 00:24:42,166 --> 00:24:43,433 I'm not gonna get a straight answer. 537 00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:46,166 You owe her for her tax debt, nothing else, $2,700. 538 00:24:46,233 --> 00:24:48,333 - This court is adjourned. - That's it. You're done. 539 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,867 - {\an8}- - I watch her, like, every day. - It was fair. 540 00:24:51,934 --> 00:24:55,100 {\an8}I'm thankful that she saw what it was for what it was. 541 00:24:55,166 --> 00:24:57,500 {\an8}You know, she asked me to put some money in account for her. I did. 542 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,934 {\an8}I never had to harass him. 543 00:25:00,066 --> 00:25:02,200 {\an8}We were business partners for two or three years. 544 00:25:02,266 --> 00:25:04,066 {\an8}I don't know if it was a business agreement or not. 545 00:25:04,133 --> 00:25:05,834 {\an8}Because I told him I want my money. 546 00:25:05,900 --> 00:25:07,233 {\an8}I'm just happy it's over with. 547 00:25:07,934 --> 00:25:09,033 You know what I was thinking about? 548 00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:11,900 I was thinking that I wouldn't have had that information 549 00:25:11,967 --> 00:25:13,533 about Social Security disability 550 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,400 unless Poppy was an administrative law judge 551 00:25:16,467 --> 00:25:18,600 with Social Security 40 years ago. 552 00:25:18,667 --> 00:25:21,433 And I remember exactly what the drill was. 553 00:25:21,500 --> 00:25:24,266 File, you're rejected, you file, you're rejected. 554 00:25:24,333 --> 00:25:26,333 And finally you have to hire a lawyer, 555 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,000 and the lawyer gets a big chunk of the relief 556 00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:31,100 - and you get all your back payments. - Yup. 557 00:25:31,166 --> 00:25:33,900 So I have a feeling I was dealing with two people 558 00:25:33,967 --> 00:25:38,133 who had a substantial skill set in how to negotiate 559 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,300 and suck every dollar from the system, 560 00:25:41,367 --> 00:25:44,734 whether it was deserved or not. 561 00:25:46,667 --> 00:25:47,934 Want justice? 562 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,967 {\an8}Go to judyjustice.tv. 563 00:25:50,033 --> 00:25:53,166 {\an8}♪