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{\an8}My mom was terminally ill.
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I'm holding her stuff
because it's sentimental.
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There's a picture of me and my mother.
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That's all I wanted.
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Did you tell that to your sister?
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Yes, I did.
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I mean, I can get it. You know, I--
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This is Judy Justice.
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{\an8}Shatonya Bentley is suing her sister,
Calvise Bentley, for moving costs.
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Court come to order.
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All, rise.
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Have a seat, please.
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Hello, Judge.
Case 2106, Bentley versus Bentley.
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- Okay, thank you.
- You're welcome.
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Ms. Bentley, this is your sister.
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- Yes.
- The case is relatively simple.
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Your mom passed away
a couple of years ago.
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There was a house full of furniture
that belong to your mother.
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According to what I've read,
and this is broad strokes.
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According to what I read, your sister--
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- What's your first name?
- Calvise.
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Put your mother's property
in a storage unit.
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Excuse me. It was already in storage.
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Who had put it in storage?
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My mom put it in storage.
My mom was terminally ill,
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and she put it in storage
three months before she passed away.
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- Is that correct?
- Yes.
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On what date did your mom pass?
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November the 8th, 2018.
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{\an8}So it would've been in storage
since August of 2018?
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- {\an8}-
- Correct.
- From August till November,
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who paid for the storage unit?
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- I have been paying it.
- And how much is it every month?
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Right now it's 209,
but it was 182 in the beginning.
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{\an8}Right about $200 a month,
and it's been three years?
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{\an8}Yes, I've been paying it every month.
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{\an8}This is what your case is about.
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You say that you gave your sister $900
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for the purpose of traveling,
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getting your mother's things
out of storage
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so that you could all disperse
your mother's property.
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{\an8}Yes. But the amount is incorrect.
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{\an8}- What's the amount?
- I gave her $800.
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{\an8}- Okay. $800.
- Yes.
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In order to get your mother's furniture
to where you live.
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- Uh-huh.
- So that you could separate the furniture
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and the family could take what they wanted
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or needed of the property, correct?
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- That's correct.
- Good. Then COVID struck,
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your sister didn't
use that money to travel,
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to hire truckers to move the furniture,
and you want that money back.
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- Yes, that's correct.
- That's the whole case. Okay.
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Just for my own information,
you do expect when that furniture arrives
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to be one of the beneficiaries
of that furniture,
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that's what your sister says.
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She says that that's the plan
once it all comes back.
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{\an8}That's not correct.
I didn't want anything out of the storage,
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{\an8}- but pictures.
- Pictures?
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- Yeah.
- Well, pictures of things.
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- Yes. That's it.
- Pictures of what?
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There's a picture of me and my mother.
That's all I wanted.
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Did you tell that to your sister?
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- Yes, I did.
- Did she?
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- No.
- How many sisters are there?
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It's only two of us now.
It was four, two deceased.
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Did your mother have any other property?
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My mother has a whole
two-bedroom home and the storage.
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- She has furniture, everything.
- Other than furniture.
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No. Clothes, well, clothes, pictures, yes.
Things like that, yes.
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Is there any property
in that storage unit that you want?
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Well, I'm holding her stuff
because it's sentimental.
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I mean, I can get it, you know--
You know, I wouldn't mind having it,
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but it's really it--
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she got a lot of
sentimental stuff in there,
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so that's what I've been paying.
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- Furniture?
- Yes, furniture.
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- Furniture.
- Pictures, everything, you know.
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Okay. How far away is
the storage unit from where you live?
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It's in Charlotte, North Carolina.
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- How far away?
- Ten-hour drive.
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We stay in Michigan
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and the storage
is in North Carolina, Charlotte.
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{\an8}Anybody that you know
live there close to the storage unit?
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{\an8}My aunt and my cousin does.
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{\an8}And this picture that you wanted,
do you know where it is?
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It's in the photo album
with the rest of the pictures.
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And other than
that one picture in a photo album,
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you don't want anything else,
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- any of the other property.
- No.
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You two were the heirs, is that right?
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We have a brother.
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Does he have, as far as you know,
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any interest in any
of your mother's properties?
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No. When my mom passed,
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it was me, my niece
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and my older brother there
at the time of death.
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And so he got everything he wanted out
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{\an8}and he gave me the key
because I was the next to older one
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{\an8}'cause she wasn't there, so he was like,
"So y'all do what y'all wanna do with it."
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And so that's when I told her
I'll pay it until we go get it.
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You said, "I'll pay for the storage
until we go and get it?"
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- Yeah.
- Okay. Now I'd like you to tell me
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about this money that she gave you.
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Do you remember when she gave you the--
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Gave me the money,
I wanna say May of 2020.
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And can you tell me
what the conversation was
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- when she gave you the money.
- It was, here is the money
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to go towards going
to get the things, you know.
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And so I told her,
"Well, I'll find a way to go get it."
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I didn't never give her a designated time,
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but during that time that was COVID,
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so no one was able to go,
and so I was gonna go this year
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because I just signed the papers
to go and go get the stuff.
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But no one still was able to go.
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She never once said
that this was money long to go get it.
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No, no, no. No.
She had designated it
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- to go and get the property?
- Yes.
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And you didn't use it
to go and get the property.
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- I used it to towards the storage.
- No.
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I'm sorry, go ahead. No.
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- The answer is no.
- No.
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So that's what her complaint is,
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that it wasn't used
for its intended purpose,
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which was to go rent a truck, movers,
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and bring the property
to where you both live.
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- Yeah. Mm-hmm.
- Okay. And she did give you $800.
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- Yes.
- Okay. And Ms. Bentley,
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you're prepared
to sign a document that indicates
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that the only property
you want from storage
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{\an8}is a photograph of you
and your mother that's in a photo album
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- {\an8}-
- Yes.
- That you want nothing else,
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that everything else belongs
to either your sister or any other heirs
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that have the legitimate claim
on any of that property.
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- But you want nothing else.
- That's fine.
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- Reasonable?
- Fine.
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I'm entering a judgment for the plaintiff
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for the amount of $800
with the proviso
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that the plaintiff will in fact,
sign that document
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indicating she wants nothing
but one photograph from the storage unit.
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- I gave her 150 back.
- Did she give you 150 back?
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She did give me 150 back.
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You paid her back, so she owes you 650.
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- Mm-hmm.
- Judgement for the plaintiff, 650.
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- Thank you very much.
- Thank you.
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This court is adjourned.
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{\an8}It was my mother's stuff.
I just was trying to get the stuff.
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{\an8}It was in storage for long enough.
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- {\an8}-
- We haven't talked in a whole year.
- We're not close.
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{\an8}You know, all she want is the picture?
I'll give her a picture.
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{\an8}At least I got what I wanted.
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{\an8}We still sisters, still love her.
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- Those looked like two nice sisters,
- Mm-hmm.
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and I think part of that problem
is the intervention of COVID,
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which really turned
everybody's life upside down.
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Especially family units.
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Family units, 'cause I think
that that was the intention,
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- that she was gonna pay for it
- Mm-hmm.
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or be brought up, use that money
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and then they would
go through the property
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and decide who wanted what
and what would be disposed of.
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It's not an egregious case
of misappropriation of funds.
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- All well-intentioned, I think.
- Well-intentioned.
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I thought it was a sweet case.
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Case 2111, Banks versus Mitchell.
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All parties, please step forward.
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Queen Vanessa Banks
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{\an8}is suing her former friend,
Fulton Mitchell
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for an unpaid loan and stolen money.
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Ms. Banks, what kind of work do you do?
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I'm a city contractor
for the city and county of San Francisco.
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How long have you been working
for the city of San Francisco?
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30 years.
You're a full-time employee?
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No, I'm a contractor,
so I'm used as needed.
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Well, in the last month,
how many days have you worked?
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Like around 40 hours the whole month.
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- How do you support yourself?
- I'm on disability.
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How long have you been on disability?
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{\an8}Since roughly like a month,
February of 2022.
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{\an8}When you applied for disability,
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were you originally rejected
or did they accept your claim?
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I was rejected three times actually.
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So when you started
collecting in February of 2022,
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you got a big check for back disability?
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- Yes, ma'am.
- I know my business.
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How much of a check did you get?
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- I got, um...
- Don't think--
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7,000 the first time
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and they just submitted me
like 8,000 a month or two ago
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{\an8}and then there was some more
coming and they all came yet.
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{\an8}Mm-hmm.
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{\an8}They advised you,
because you were rejected
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as you said, two or three times,
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that there would be
a total amount coming to you.
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You got a letter from the administration.
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- Yes, ma'am.
- Yes. And what is the total amount
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that they told you
you would be receiving in increments?
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I think it was, like, 18,000.
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And you had a lawyer at the appeal.
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- Yes, ma'am.
- Now when you applied for disability,
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did you say that there was
no kind of work that you could do?
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{\an8}How jaundiced.
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{\an8}I know that people
put money in somebody else's bank
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{\an8}when they wanna hide it
from the government, creditors,
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{\an8}a spouse looking for support,
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{\an8}or what I would call nefarious reasons
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{\an8}to put money in somebody else's bank.
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{\an8}Queen Vanessa Banks claims
her former friend, Fulton Mitchell
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stole money
from their shared bank account.
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And when you applied for disability,
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did you say that there was
no kind of work that you could do?
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- Well, actually--
- No, no, not actually.
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They're giving you $18,000.
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They said that
they should have taken your case
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when you first applied for disability.
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So they had to have found that
you could not hold gainful employment.
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That's what it's all about
when you get federal disability.
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- Right.
- Right. So I wanna know what
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these 40 hours a month
that you worked last month
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as an independent contractor,
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what kind of
independent contractor were you?
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I actually sit on Zooms
and I am a consultant,
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so I'm on Zooms most of the time.
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And when you're not on Zooms,
where are you?
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- At home.
- What do you consult about?
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I am an urban consultant,
so I work with various people
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that's trying to find out
about urban living and mental health.
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Basically working around mental health.
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- How are you paid?
- They might--
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- No, not "might."
- They mail a check.
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What do you do with that check?
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I usually cash it
at a store in a community.
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You cash it. What is your hourly wage?
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- As a consultant?
- Yeah.
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I'm used to paid, like, 130 a hour.
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And what's the amount of money
you get from disability a month,
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{\an8}not counting these extra payments
for when they denied your disability?
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{\an8}A thousand dollars.
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So you get a thousand dollars a month,
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plus $130 an hour times the last month,
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you said was 40 hours,
so you make four, $5,000 a month
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- from your consulting job, the City--
- No way.
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Well, am I correct, Whitney,
that Ms. Banks said
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that she worked about 40 hours last month?
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- Can I explain something? Not all--
- No. No.
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She said
"Around 40 hours the whole month."
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Okay, would you tell me
what she says she earns an hour.
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- It's usually 130 an hour.
- $5,200.
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And when you get
the checks for these consulting things,
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you take them and you cash them.
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- Yes, ma'am.
- That's either a yes or no.
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Do you work as
a sole independent contractor
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or do you have an LLC or corporation?
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- No, ma'am.
- So the checks are made out to you.
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- {\an8}-
- Yes, ma'am.
- As an independent contractor,
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- {\an8}-
- Yes, ma'am.
- you have to pay your own taxes.
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{\an8}So you have 1099 from all these people?
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Yes, ma'am.
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What did you declare
on your taxes last year?
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- I didn't file taxes last year, ma'am.
- Why not?
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{\an8}You said you've been working
in this capacity on and off for 30 years.
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{\an8}Because ma'am, where I come from,
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a lot of the work
is volunteer-work considered,
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and you are given a stipend,
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and some of the work I do
sometimes I don't even get paid,
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but I still do the work.
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Listen, you know exactly where I'm going.
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We're two savvy people.
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When you cash those checks,
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because this is what
the case is about, for some reason,
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'cause I'm trying to figure out
why somebody puts money
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into somebody else's bank account,
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because part of this case is about that,
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{\an8}you and Mr. Mitchell became friends
maybe a little bit more than friends.
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{\an8}I know at some point,
according to you,
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you gave him money
to hold in his bank account
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because his bank account
was closer to where you are
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and you didn't wanna go on two buses
to where your bank was.
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- Am I getting that right? Is that what--
- No. No, ma'am.
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Let's see, I'll tell you
why I made these inquiries to you.
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“I was struggling
to find a way to get access to my money.
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I always took the bus to the bank,
283
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but during COVID,
public transportation shut down
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and was completely unreliable
and I was in a bind.”
285
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This is what you wrote.
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When Fulton heard about my problem,
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he offered to hold my money
for me in his bank.
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He said that
he didn't keep any money in that account,
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so it would be perfect
because his bank was right where I worked.
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I only know of several reasons
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why strangers
put money in somebody else's account.
292
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You know,
I may have an account with Sarah,
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I may have an account
with one of my other grandchildren,
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I have an account with my husband,
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but I've had a best friend for 70 years,
another best friend for 30 years,
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and I would never think
of putting money in their bank account
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because there are banks
all over the place.
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I'm just telling you,
you know, how jaundiced.
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I know that people
put money in somebody else's bank
300
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when they wanna hide it,
301
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when they wanna
hide it from the government,
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creditors, a spouse looking for support,
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a spouse looking for alimony,
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a contractor
who has a judgment against them,
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or what I would call nefarious reasons
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to put money in somebody else's bank.
307
00:13:57,900 --> 00:14:02,000
But let us say that
you did put money in his bank account,
308
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and you say that money was withdrawn,
309
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your money was withdrawn
from that account to pay his taxes.
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- Is that what you're alleging?
- Yes, ma'am.
311
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Okay. How much
was withdrawn from his account
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that only his name
was on or was your name on it, too?
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- My name was on it, too.
- Oh, there we go.
314
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Now I can understand it
why you might owe taxes.
315
00:14:24,133 --> 00:14:25,867
{\an8}I don't know anything about his business,
316
00:14:25,934 --> 00:14:28,567
{\an8}but I can certainly understand
that you might.
317
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{\an8}Did you receive notice that the IRS
318
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took money out of this bank account
319
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which was then, a joint bank account?
320
00:14:36,166 --> 00:14:38,033
- No, I did not.
- So with her name was on it,
321
00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:39,633
- it was a joint account.
- Uh, it was not.
322
00:14:39,700 --> 00:14:41,667
It was my account
and I added her name to my account.
323
00:14:41,734 --> 00:14:43,667
That's okay.
That makes it a joint account.
324
00:14:43,734 --> 00:14:44,900
- Yes.
- Okay, well, I didn't have
325
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that information in here
326
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because joint account
is absolutely different.
327
00:14:48,934 --> 00:14:51,433
Joint account means that
the money belongs to both of you.
328
00:14:51,500 --> 00:14:53,233
Now, what makes makes you think
329
00:14:53,300 --> 00:14:56,734
{\an8}that the money that was taken
out of the account was to pay his taxes?
330
00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,233
- {\an8}-
- Because I have proof.
- I'd like to see it.
331
00:15:09,266 --> 00:15:12,100
What account is this?
Whose money is that?
332
00:15:12,166 --> 00:15:14,166
- Mine.
- Explain that to me.
333
00:15:14,233 --> 00:15:19,867
This is a deposit here for $988.68.
334
00:15:19,934 --> 00:15:23,200
- What is that?
- That's when the pandemic hit
335
00:15:23,266 --> 00:15:26,000
and the struggle
started getting hard trying to get money.
336
00:15:26,066 --> 00:15:28,166
And being that man was business partners,
337
00:15:28,233 --> 00:15:31,200
that's when
he decided to try to help me out.
338
00:15:31,266 --> 00:15:33,567
You know, I neither have the time
339
00:15:33,633 --> 00:15:37,800
or the interest
to hear about the nuances of this stuff
340
00:15:37,867 --> 00:15:41,200
because I don't have the wherewithal
341
00:15:41,266 --> 00:15:46,266
either emotionally or structurally
to figure out the whole scam.
342
00:15:46,333 --> 00:15:50,633
I haven't figured it all out yet,
but I'm beginning to figure it out.
343
00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:54,500
So you deposited 988.
344
00:15:54,567 --> 00:15:58,300
and then withdrew at some point in May.
345
00:15:58,367 --> 00:16:01,500
That was on June 9th.
I don't have the rest of it here.
346
00:16:01,567 --> 00:16:07,033
But you withdrew $1,600
from that account on May 25th.
347
00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:09,367
Do you remember what that was for?
The sixteen--
348
00:16:09,433 --> 00:16:10,433
May 25th?
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00:16:10,500 --> 00:16:16,233
Yeah, May 25th, $1,600,
June 3rd, tax levy, 2,711.
350
00:16:16,300 --> 00:16:18,834
The May 25th is--
'cause that's my daughter's birthday,
351
00:16:18,900 --> 00:16:21,066
and I spent time with my daughter,
352
00:16:21,133 --> 00:16:25,000
and then the June 3rd tax levy
is why I'm here with you today.
353
00:16:25,066 --> 00:16:28,000
What kind of business
were you in together with the defendant?
354
00:16:28,066 --> 00:16:30,100
- You want me to answer that?
- No, you answer.
355
00:16:30,166 --> 00:16:31,400
What type of business we had together?
356
00:16:31,467 --> 00:16:33,600
He works for the city and county.
357
00:16:33,667 --> 00:16:38,467
I'm a grassroot organizer,
so I work within his organization
358
00:16:38,533 --> 00:16:41,200
so that we can do things together.
359
00:16:41,266 --> 00:16:42,133
That's not true.
360
00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,400
Your Honor, I have proof.
I do work with his organization.
361
00:16:45,467 --> 00:16:48,467
- I'm putting on a Halloween event--
- I don't care.
362
00:16:48,533 --> 00:16:49,934
Let's understand each other.
363
00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,100
I don't care because
something doesn't smell right for me.
364
00:16:53,166 --> 00:16:55,700
And if something
doesn't smell right with this nose,
365
00:16:55,767 --> 00:16:59,266
it's usually accurate. Usually.
366
00:17:02,266 --> 00:17:06,033
{\an8}You said you took out a thousand dollars,
when and for what purpose?
367
00:17:06,133 --> 00:17:09,100
{\an8}I took out a thousand dollars
and I gave it to Ms. Banks.
368
00:17:09,166 --> 00:17:11,667
- {\an8}-
- That's not what you said.
- What did I say?
369
00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:15,700
{\an8}It's not what you said.
It's not what you swore to.
370
00:17:15,767 --> 00:17:17,400
{\an8}♪
371
00:17:27,633 --> 00:17:29,533
Queen Vanessa Banks
372
00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,333
{\an8}is suing her former friend,
Fulton Mitchell
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00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,266
for an unpaid loan and stolen money.
374
00:17:35,834 --> 00:17:38,734
When someone puts money
in somebody else's bank account,
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00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,667
it's because they're trying
to somehow shield that money
376
00:17:41,734 --> 00:17:43,633
from some sort of scrutiny.
377
00:17:43,700 --> 00:17:46,333
If your only source of income,
which you would like me to believe
378
00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,567
is this thousand dollars from disability
379
00:17:48,633 --> 00:17:50,834
and the $18,000 that you're going to get
380
00:17:50,900 --> 00:17:52,467
{\an8}for retro-acting on disability--
381
00:17:52,533 --> 00:17:54,367
{\an8}She was on
some other kind of services also.
382
00:17:54,433 --> 00:17:56,500
{\an8}I don't know
whether it was SSI or something.
383
00:17:56,567 --> 00:17:57,533
When she first came to me,
384
00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,066
she wanted me to hold the money
and put it in my account
385
00:18:00,133 --> 00:18:01,600
because she didn't want
to mess up her money.
386
00:18:01,667 --> 00:18:03,967
That's not true.
That's not true, Your Honor.
387
00:18:04,033 --> 00:18:07,734
{\an8}He started helping me in 2019.
388
00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,700
{\an8}In 2020, he asked me for a loan
389
00:18:11,767 --> 00:18:15,000
to help one of his daughters, of $1,900.
390
00:18:15,066 --> 00:18:17,600
We were both
trying to start up a business.
391
00:18:17,667 --> 00:18:20,033
We didn't know
the pandemic was gonna come, Your Honor.
392
00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:21,333
We was trying to start up a business.
393
00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:22,834
I've never tried to started up a business.
394
00:18:22,900 --> 00:18:24,667
- Just a second--
- Your Honor, I got proof,
395
00:18:24,734 --> 00:18:25,734
'cause he lying to you.
396
00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:26,767
Just a second.
397
00:18:26,834 --> 00:18:29,100
I don't care
that you were starting a business,
398
00:18:29,166 --> 00:18:30,800
it doesn't make any difference to me.
399
00:18:30,867 --> 00:18:32,600
It really doesn't
make any difference to me.
400
00:18:32,667 --> 00:18:34,100
You had a joint account,
401
00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,834
and the IRS
took money out of that joint account.
402
00:18:36,900 --> 00:18:39,133
- Was that your tax debt?
- I don't know.
403
00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,800
The answer is you don't know.
404
00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,867
Okay. Well, this says
that it was the levy
405
00:18:44,934 --> 00:18:49,533
from California Franchise Tax Board
was against Fulton W. Mitchell.
406
00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,100
- That me.
- That's what it's here.
407
00:18:51,166 --> 00:18:53,333
I asked her to show me that,
I said "Prove it to me."
408
00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:54,834
No, she never showed me that ever.
409
00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:57,133
Okay, so my question to you was, sir,
410
00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,166
because of course
you have to pay your own taxes.
411
00:18:59,233 --> 00:19:00,433
- Yes, ma'am.
- Right?
412
00:19:00,500 --> 00:19:03,166
You would acknowledge
that this bank account
413
00:19:03,233 --> 00:19:05,300
had only her funds in it?
414
00:19:05,367 --> 00:19:06,767
No, it had my funds in it, too.
415
00:19:06,834 --> 00:19:09,233
Show me any deposits
that you made into this--
416
00:19:09,300 --> 00:19:11,934
Well, I had money in way before
I put her money into my account.
417
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,467
It's been my account
for over ten, fifteen years.
418
00:19:14,533 --> 00:19:17,367
- {\an8}-
- What I want to see, Mr. Fulton--
- Yes.
419
00:19:17,433 --> 00:19:22,633
{\an8}Is any place where you deposited 2,711,
420
00:19:22,700 --> 00:19:24,633
because that's what they took out.
421
00:19:24,734 --> 00:19:27,467
No, I didn't deposit 2,711
into that account.
422
00:19:27,533 --> 00:19:28,900
- Ever?
- No.
423
00:19:28,967 --> 00:19:31,667
Okay, good. This responsibility is yours.
424
00:19:31,734 --> 00:19:34,300
- You would acknowledge that it's yours?
- Yes. Yes.
425
00:19:34,367 --> 00:19:37,633
Okay, so that's $2,700
which you in fact owe her.
426
00:19:37,700 --> 00:19:41,233
She probably owes IRS
or the state of California more money
427
00:19:41,300 --> 00:19:45,233
because I'm not sure that they know
where all this money is going.
428
00:19:45,300 --> 00:19:47,767
Did you take
any other money out of that account?
429
00:19:47,834 --> 00:19:48,700
- No, ma'am.
- Yes, you did.
430
00:19:48,767 --> 00:19:50,166
You took out a thousand dollars.
431
00:19:50,233 --> 00:19:53,233
You acknowledged you took out
a thousand dollars by accident,
432
00:19:53,300 --> 00:19:55,333
you said, sir,
and you said you paid it back.
433
00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,467
- She got it back.
- Okay, well then don't say--
434
00:19:57,533 --> 00:19:59,233
- That's not true, Your Honor.
- Shh! Don't speak.
435
00:19:59,300 --> 00:20:01,700
You got into
enough trouble, right? So far.
436
00:20:01,767 --> 00:20:05,533
You said you took out a thousand dollars
when and for what purpose?
437
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,066
I took out a thousand dollars
and I gave it to Ms. Banks.
438
00:20:08,133 --> 00:20:11,500
- That's not what you said.
- What did I say, um, Miss Judy?
439
00:20:13,367 --> 00:20:15,433
It's not what you said.
It's not what swore to.
440
00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:18,300
You said, "There was a time
when I accidentally withdrew
441
00:20:18,367 --> 00:20:21,033
a thousand dollars from the account
that belonged to Vanessa,
442
00:20:21,100 --> 00:20:24,567
- but I paid her back in June 2022."
- There you go.
443
00:20:24,633 --> 00:20:25,734
I said--
What do you mean "There you go"?
444
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,767
I said, when did you
take money out of her account?
445
00:20:28,834 --> 00:20:30,266
That was the only time
I took the money out.
446
00:20:30,333 --> 00:20:33,266
- Well, tell me about it.
- Vanessa started harassing me.
447
00:20:33,333 --> 00:20:35,800
She started showing up to my job
and just doing all kind of stuff.
448
00:20:35,867 --> 00:20:38,400
- So I was just trying to get rid of her.
- And?
449
00:20:38,467 --> 00:20:41,600
So I took the money out
and gave it to her, and I'm--
450
00:20:41,667 --> 00:20:43,266
Just a second.
Put your hand down.
451
00:20:43,333 --> 00:20:45,700
- Don't you understand what you signed?
- Yeah.
452
00:20:45,767 --> 00:20:49,734
You said, "I accidentally
took money out of her account,
453
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,900
but then I gave it back to her."
454
00:20:51,967 --> 00:20:55,066
Because if you accidentally took it out,
it means it didn't belong to you.
455
00:20:55,133 --> 00:20:59,066
When did you accidentally take it out
and when did you give it back to her?
456
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,467
{\an8}I took out the money
and the money was given to her.
457
00:21:01,533 --> 00:21:05,000
{\an8}That was it. I didn't-- that was it.
I was done with it.
458
00:21:05,066 --> 00:21:07,900
I was done with her,
I was done with--with all of it.
459
00:21:07,967 --> 00:21:10,600
“There was a time
when I accidentally withdrew
460
00:21:10,667 --> 00:21:13,667
a thousand dollars from the account
that belonged to Vanessa,
461
00:21:13,734 --> 00:21:17,467
but I paid that back in June 2022.”
462
00:21:17,533 --> 00:21:20,467
Those words
are mixed up a little bit there.
463
00:21:20,567 --> 00:21:22,533
That's what I read.
That's your answer, sir.
464
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,934
"As for the rest of the money
she claims I owe her
465
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,600
it's all a bunch of lies.
466
00:21:26,667 --> 00:21:31,400
I never took a $1,900 loan
and don't owe money for the IRS."
467
00:21:31,467 --> 00:21:33,066
Well, you do owe money for the IRS,
468
00:21:33,166 --> 00:21:35,900
because one of the things
I think that everybody has to pay
469
00:21:35,967 --> 00:21:38,133
is their own tax levy
and their own child support.
470
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,767
- You would acknowledge that.
- I agree.
471
00:21:39,834 --> 00:21:44,166
Okay, tell me about this loan
of $1,900, Ms. Banks.
472
00:21:44,233 --> 00:21:48,533
Mr. Mitchell had fell into
a lot hardship in the pandemic,
473
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:53,767
and he came to me
and asked me could I loan him $1,900
474
00:21:53,834 --> 00:21:55,633
to help out one of his daughters.
475
00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:59,233
And I gave it to him,
and he agreed to pay it back.
476
00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:02,166
And we was just like trying
to handle business together,
477
00:22:02,233 --> 00:22:03,500
so and I thought he was a friend.
478
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,467
Show me proof that you gave him $1,900.
479
00:22:06,533 --> 00:22:07,800
It was cash, Your Honor.
480
00:22:07,867 --> 00:22:10,567
The thousand dollars
he said he handed me back in June,
481
00:22:10,633 --> 00:22:12,433
that was from the 1,900.
482
00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:14,100
I'm not following you, madam.
483
00:22:14,166 --> 00:22:16,266
Are you saying that he in total owed you--
484
00:22:16,333 --> 00:22:20,767
Forget the IRS, 2,900,
a thousand dollars, that he took in 19?
485
00:22:20,834 --> 00:22:24,367
- He asked for $1,900 in cash.
- I never asked you for $1,900.
486
00:22:24,433 --> 00:22:27,600
- I gave him $1,900 in cash.
- Not true.
487
00:22:27,667 --> 00:22:31,500
Then he paid me back
a thousand in June of 2022.
488
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,200
If I have money in my account,
why would I ask you for $1,900?
489
00:22:34,266 --> 00:22:36,266
I would just go in there and grab it.
That makes no sense.
490
00:22:36,333 --> 00:22:37,700
Just a second. Why are you talking to her?
491
00:22:37,767 --> 00:22:39,100
- I'm sorry.
- Where do you think you are?
492
00:22:39,166 --> 00:22:42,066
I'm sorry. I apologize.
She's never given me no $1,900.
493
00:22:42,166 --> 00:22:45,000
She's never given me
anything in cash, period, ever.
494
00:22:45,066 --> 00:22:47,100
- I have proof.
- I'm willing to look at it.
495
00:22:47,166 --> 00:22:50,667
Yes. I told him that
I needed to move forward with it,
496
00:22:50,734 --> 00:22:54,033
and if you don't give me what I need,
I'll put it in writing.
497
00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:55,767
Well, you may put it in writing.
498
00:22:55,834 --> 00:22:57,633
Well, you sent this to him, and it says,
499
00:22:57,700 --> 00:23:02,400
"Acknowledgement of monetary debt
in the amount of $4,600."
500
00:23:02,467 --> 00:23:05,967
You typed this up and he never signed it.
501
00:23:06,033 --> 00:23:08,867
- No, he never signed it.
- Yeah, well, then it's meaningless.
502
00:23:08,934 --> 00:23:10,066
You can type up anything.
503
00:23:10,133 --> 00:23:13,967
I can type up something that says
I own all of Sarah's real estate.
504
00:23:14,033 --> 00:23:16,500
If she doesn't sign it,
I don't own anything.
505
00:23:16,567 --> 00:23:18,667
Well, that's where
a thousand dollars came from,
506
00:23:18,734 --> 00:23:20,533
'cause he was trying to cover that.
507
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,934
Yeah. You know, somehow,
I think I'm dealing with--
508
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,867
I'm not sure about one or two people
who manage to master the system.
509
00:23:27,934 --> 00:23:31,233
- No, not at all--
- I don't know. I don't know.
510
00:23:31,300 --> 00:23:32,900
All I know is if somebody is working--
511
00:23:32,967 --> 00:23:35,567
- ...for twenty-five years--
- Just a second, just a second.
512
00:23:35,633 --> 00:23:40,200
There's a reason why she asked
to be added
513
00:23:40,266 --> 00:23:42,266
to your bank account.
Do you understand?
514
00:23:42,333 --> 00:23:43,300
Yes, ma'am.
515
00:23:43,367 --> 00:23:45,633
You don't--
Look, 'cause if you're a foolish man,
516
00:23:45,700 --> 00:23:50,200
what was the reason she gave you
for wanting to have a bank account
517
00:23:50,266 --> 00:23:52,600
where you were
the primary on that bank account?
518
00:23:52,667 --> 00:23:54,734
What was the reason she gave you?
519
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,000
She gave me the reason that
she didn't want it to mess up her income.
520
00:23:57,066 --> 00:23:58,233
- That's not true.
- Just a second.
521
00:23:58,300 --> 00:24:00,233
So she said "I don't want it to m--"
522
00:24:01,033 --> 00:24:02,667
She said she didn't
wanna put it in her name
523
00:24:02,734 --> 00:24:04,900
'cause she didn't wanna mess up her income
that she had coming in.
524
00:24:04,967 --> 00:24:07,467
- Her income from what?
- Some kind of assistance.
525
00:24:07,533 --> 00:24:09,000
I'm not sure exactly what it was.
526
00:24:09,066 --> 00:24:12,900
Whatever.
Anyway, got a nice windfall, $18,000.
527
00:24:12,967 --> 00:24:15,233
By the way,
I have one other question for you.
528
00:24:15,300 --> 00:24:19,867
In your complaint,
which you read and signed and swore to,
529
00:24:19,934 --> 00:24:24,867
"Fulton heard about my problems with money
and where to put it.
530
00:24:24,934 --> 00:24:27,800
And he offered
to hold my money in his account.
531
00:24:27,867 --> 00:24:29,834
He said he doesn't
keep any money in there,
532
00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:34,500
so it would be perfect, because his bank
was right where I worked."
533
00:24:34,567 --> 00:24:37,433
Where was his bank?
And where do you work?
534
00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:40,667
I work in the community
that I was born and raised in,
535
00:24:40,734 --> 00:24:42,100
- which is Bay View--
- Okay.
536
00:24:42,166 --> 00:24:43,433
I'm not gonna get a straight answer.
537
00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:46,166
You owe her for her tax debt,
nothing else, $2,700.
538
00:24:46,233 --> 00:24:48,333
- This court is adjourned.
- That's it. You're done.
539
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,867
- {\an8}-
- I watch her, like, every day.
- It was fair.
540
00:24:51,934 --> 00:24:55,100
{\an8}I'm thankful that she saw what it was
for what it was.
541
00:24:55,166 --> 00:24:57,500
{\an8}You know, she asked me to
put some money in account for her. I did.
542
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,934
{\an8}I never had to harass him.
543
00:25:00,066 --> 00:25:02,200
{\an8}We were business partners
for two or three years.
544
00:25:02,266 --> 00:25:04,066
{\an8}I don't know
if it was a business agreement or not.
545
00:25:04,133 --> 00:25:05,834
{\an8}Because I told him I want my money.
546
00:25:05,900 --> 00:25:07,233
{\an8}I'm just happy it's over with.
547
00:25:07,934 --> 00:25:09,033
You know what I was thinking about?
548
00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:11,900
I was thinking that
I wouldn't have had that information
549
00:25:11,967 --> 00:25:13,533
about Social Security disability
550
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,400
unless Poppy
was an administrative law judge
551
00:25:16,467 --> 00:25:18,600
with Social Security 40 years ago.
552
00:25:18,667 --> 00:25:21,433
And I remember exactly what the drill was.
553
00:25:21,500 --> 00:25:24,266
File, you're rejected,
you file, you're rejected.
554
00:25:24,333 --> 00:25:26,333
And finally you have to hire a lawyer,
555
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,000
and the lawyer
gets a big chunk of the relief
556
00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:31,100
- and you get all your back payments.
- Yup.
557
00:25:31,166 --> 00:25:33,900
So I have a feeling
I was dealing with two people
558
00:25:33,967 --> 00:25:38,133
who had a substantial skill set
in how to negotiate
559
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,300
and suck every dollar from the system,
560
00:25:41,367 --> 00:25:44,734
whether it was deserved or not.
561
00:25:46,667 --> 00:25:47,934
Want justice?
562
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,967
{\an8}Go to judyjustice.tv.
563
00:25:50,033 --> 00:25:53,166
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