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Why you hitting me in the face?
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Because I want my DOG!
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{\an8}Explain that to me.
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When I barge in I'm just like,
"Give me my dog so I can leave."
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I never once put my hands on him.
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That's what happens when foolish
young people decide to own a dog together.
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[narrator] This is Judy Justice.
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[theme music playing]
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{\an8}[announcer] Jasmine Jones
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{\an8}is suing her ex-boyfriend,
Jushua Caldwell,
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for the cost of a French Bulldog.
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[Bailiff] Court coming
to order. All rise.
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Have a seat, please.
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- Hello Judge.
- [whispers] How are you?
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Case 2120.
Jones vs. Caldwell.
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- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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[Judy] Miss Jones, you and the defendant
were in a romantic relationship...
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- Yes.
- ...that started about a year ago.
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- [Jasmine] Yes.
- More than a year ago.
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And then you decided to do one of
the most foolish things that people do
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when they, sort of... fall in love,
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sometimes temporarily.
You decided to buy a dog, together.
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According to you
the relationship went south
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and now we have this adorable dog
that you want back.
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You say the dog is really yours,
you were the one
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who was its primary caretaker,
you paid for a vet bill.
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Mr. Caldwell said that's not the case,
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the dog was always supposed to be his,
he purchased it, and...
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it's your argument that if Mr. Caldwell
is allowed to keep the dog,
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that you be reimbursed
for the vet bills that you paid.
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- Yes, ma'am.
- Okay.
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Did you and Mr. Caldwell live together?
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- Yes.
- [Judy] From when to when?
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From February 1st of this year
to September 3rd.
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And in what month did you decide
to get... the dog's name is Scrappy?
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- [Jasmine] Yes.
- Scrappy?
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We got Scrap... we got Scrappy,
um, January 18th.
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- So before you moved in together?
- Yes.
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{\an8}[Judy] Where were you living?
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{\an8}I was going back and forth
from my mom's house to Jushua's.
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I already had a key in January.
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- I was staying there, but...
- Okay, but you were living
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- with your mother.
- Yes.
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- In January.
- Yes.
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And who was the breeder of this dog?
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Did you buy the dog
from the breeder or from...
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From the breeder, Andrew.
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Now, Andrew is sitting over
there on the defendant's side,
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so I assume that Andrew
is a friend of your boyfriend's.
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Yes.
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Stand up, Andrew.
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- I have a couple of questions for you.
- Okay.
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- That's Scrappy.
- [Scrappy snorts]
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- Yes.
- [audience laughs]
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[Judy] Scrappy is about eight months old?
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He just hit a year about two,
three weeks ago.
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Oh, so still a puppy.
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- Yes.
- Looks very healthy.
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When Scrappy was purchased,
was the amount paid for him
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the same as was paid for
the other dogs in Scrappy's litter?
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- No.
- How many puppies were in the litter?
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- Five.
- Did you charge Mr. Caldwell...
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{\an8}- or Miss Jones for Scrappy?
- Mr. Caldwell.
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How much did you charge him?
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$3,000, Your Honor.
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- Who paid you?
- Jushua.
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Mr. Caldwell. Did he pay by check or cash?
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Cash and Zelle payments.
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[Judy] Did you ever see Miss Jones
in the purchasing process?
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Yes, I seen her.
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- Tell me about it.
- At the time,
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when they came to pick up the dog,
she was his girlfriend,
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but there was no connection
with me and the dog.
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Was that the first time you had met her?
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I've seen her around, 'cause we would
work at the gym together,
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we're both personal trainers, so,
I would see her around the gym sometimes.
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Had you discussed with
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- your friend, Jushua...
- Yes.
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...while you were working with him,
you're personal training at the gym,
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had you discussed with him getting a dog?
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Yes.
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- When?
- I can't recall the exact date,
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but I know that he had seen
that I'd bought my dog
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and that I was getting into the business,
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so, he contacted me early in say,
2020, stating that,
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"Hey, I wanna eventually, when you have
a litter, get one of your dogs from you."
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Do you remember what month that was in?
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I'd say...
well, Scrap was born October 2021, so...
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around then, maybe a couple months before
when I let him know
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that the female was pregnant,
so maybe around July, August.
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- [Judy] Okay. Of 2021.
- Yes, Your Honor.
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Okay, so, that was well before
the two of you lived together.
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- Yes.
- Did you ever hear from Miss Jones?
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Did she ever call you before...
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you saw her when they both came
to pick up Scrappy?
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- No, Your Honor.
- Okay.
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You can sit down now.
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{\an8}[Judy] Cute!
Miss Jones, who paid for Scrappy?
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{\an8}Me and Jushua.
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Show me.
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I have here Zelle
and Venmo payments to Jushua.
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The first one is in February
and then he didn't start asking me
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- for large amounts...
- [Judy] Hold on one second. Hold on.
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These don't look like anything like
payments for the dog.
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Look at those payments.
$100, $500, $350 in June.
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What were those for?
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They were all payments toward Scrappy.
He started asking me for 200...
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- $350 at that time.
- You mean after you already had the dog?
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- Yes...
- Of course, you've got the dog.
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Yeah, but he didn't pay
for him straight up.
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And his friend told us
that we could pay for him at-will.
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He didn't give him money
the first day that we picked him up.
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[Judy] Okay, I'll go back to you.
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How much money did Mr. Caldwell pay
on the day he picked up the dog?
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[Frederick] Zero dollars.
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When was the first time he made a payment?
Now you can stand up again.
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[Scrappy growling]
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{\an8}He made a payment shortly after,
within the first month... of about $300.
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So, in January, he made first payment...
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- ...of $300.
- [Judy] And in January
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there is no Zelle payment
from you. At all.
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When was the next payment?
Do you recall?
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I believe in March he paid another $200...
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Well, do you have records
of what you paid, sir?
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- Yes.
- [Judy] I'd like to see them.
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I just want to see what you paid
and when you paid it.
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By the way, while he's looking for that,
when you lived with Mr. Caldwell
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did you both contribute to the rent?
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My contribution to the rent
was paying for the groceries,
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so, I have all my receipts.
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So, the answer is, you did not pay rent.
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That was our deal.
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- Me doing the groceries...
- But the answer is, you did not pay rent.
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[Jasmine] No, ma'am.
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{\an8}Did you pay any utilities?
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{\an8}Only when he asked me
for extra money to pay his phone bill
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or to pay for the wifi, sometimes.
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[Judy] And when you paid for
these extra things,
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the wifi or his phone bill,
did you pay by cash or did you pay by...
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The extra charges in there
that I didn't highlight.
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The ones that are $20, $30,
those are for gas.
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Um, the $70 one is for his card...
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Well, I just want to know how you know
the payment in July...
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for $200, what it was for?
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I was only giving him money
at that time for Scrappy.
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He started asking me
for large amounts of money for him,
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so, that's when I gave him those.
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He didn't ask me
for anything towards bills
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- for that apartment...
- Is Scrappy totally paid for?
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- [Frederick] No.
- How much is owed?
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$2,300.
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So, the only amount
that was paid so far was $700.
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Yes, Your Honor.
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[Scrappy grunts]
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{\an8}This is what happens,
cos relationships come and go, you know,
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{\an8}Fifty percent of the marriages
in this country fail,
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{\an8}so, why would you think a relationship
is gonna last as long as a French Bulldog?
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[theme music playing]
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{\an8}[announcer] Jasmine Jones
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{\an8}claims her ex-boyfriend,
Jushua Caldwell,
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owes for the cost of a French Bulldog.
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Jushua is countersuing
for vandalism and an assault.
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Okay, and this is an agreement
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{\an8}that, "I, Jushua Caldwell,
have agreed to buy Cashmere..."
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{\an8}That was his name originally.
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{\an8}"...from Frederick Wright.
Once the dog's paid in full,
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I will receive full ownership rights.
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Frederick Wright will remain
the rightful owner of Cashmere
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until I complete $3,000 in payments."
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- Right?
- [Jushua] Correct.
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[Judy] And both of you signed this,
and this was in January of 2022.
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That's a reasonable...
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{\an8}- What are you laughing at?
- I'm not laughing, I'm just like...
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{\an8}when did he even sign that? Because I was
with him the day that we picked him up,
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- and he never showed me any contract.
- Well, but this is reasonable.
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Because he's not transferring
any rights to him.
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He's going to remain the owner.
He's the owner of the dog.
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Until the full amount is
paid for the dog of $3,000.
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Right now, he said
that the only thing was paid was $700.
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Go ahead, now I'll hear you.
Now I got it. Now you can sit down.
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When I was present for us picking up
Scrappy and purchasing him,
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it was word of mouth contract.
There was no paper signing.
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At all. He didn't even show me a paper.
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- And?
- [Jasmine] And he showed me him,
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{\an8}he asked me if I liked him.
I said, "Yes,"
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{\an8}and he said he would go
half on him with me.
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[Judy] Okay.
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And I said, "Okay,"
and it was that same day.
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I get off of work. He picks me up.
We go see Scrappy,
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didn't know we were
going to get him that day.
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We ended up getting him that day.
He tells me,
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"Okay, it's just gonna be $3,500."
They walk to the back of the room
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and start talking and making an agreement.
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- Come back out...
- [Judy] Okay, so, just a second.
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So, they went in the back of the room.
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You were not there.
That's what you just told me.
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They went in the back
to make an agreement.
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And then they came out.
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Is... that's what...
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"He tells me it's going to be $3,500.
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They walk to the back of the room,
make an agreement."
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[Judy] Right. Go ahead.
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And then he comes back
and we take Scrappy home.
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The next day he texts me
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early in the morning and tells me that
Scrappy might have gotten a bee sting
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or... something because he was limping
and he doesn't know what happened.
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I picked him up from his job
that afternoon, after I got off of work.
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Okay, so you picked up
the dog from his work.
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Yes, picked him up and I went
straight to my mom's house to get clothes,
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'cause I was going back to his house.
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And I was examining Scrappy.
No swollen paw, no bee sting.
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Then he said that he probably
clipped his nail on the tile
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and I'm just, like, looking at his paw
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and I'm like, there's nothing wrong
with it. But he's limping.
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Those were his stories.
Still don't know what happened.
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Scrappy wasn't showing any signs of,
like, pain, he was just limping.
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So, I was like, we need to...
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we need to take him to the vet, like,
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- he needs to get checked out.
- So, you took him to the vet.
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- Okay, and?
- [Jasmine] Yes.
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The vet ended up telling us that
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- he had a fractured...
- You can't...
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You can't tell me what the vet told you.
I'll look at the records from the vet.
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[Jasmine] Oh! Okay. Sorry.
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I have the vet bills
and the reports right here.
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Did you pay any part
of these vet bills, sir?
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- Yes.
- Which parts?
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I don't have any record of it,
because I didn't see it coming.
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I honestly didn't know
what happened to his elbow.
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Um, Andrew was there as well.
We were both kind of like, we don't know.
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So, I found out after going to
the vet that Frenchies have a... a...
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like, a ligament in their elbow
and this happens often.
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No one is suggesting
that anyone abused the dog.
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- [Jushua] Okay. Oh, I just...
- That's not the suggestion.
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My question was a simple one.
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{\an8}Did you pay any of these vet bills?
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{\an8}- Yes. Yes.
- They're about $1,600.
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- I just don't have any record of it.
- [Judy] How much did you pay?
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- [Judy] What?
- He's lying.
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I didn't ask you to interrupt.
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You have to understand, Miss Jones,
you can't have this dog.
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First of all, this dog
doesn't belong to either one of you.
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This dog belongs to him.
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{\an8}Until the dog is paid for.
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{\an8}So far, all he's
gotten for the dog is $700.
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Five hundred dollars of that,
he paid for.
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But right now, I can't award ownership
of the dog if there's a contract.
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That until this dog is paid for,
this dog belongs to Mr. Wright.
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- First name?
- Frederick.
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Frederick. You understand?
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- Yes, ma'am.
- Simple.
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So, you have a friend who has Frenchies?
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Then I suggest
that you go with your original plan,
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- which is to buy a dog yourself.
- It's just...
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- not the same.
- Now,
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you have no proof
that you paid any of these vet bills.
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{\an8}I just have the medicine
with my name on it.
258
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{\an8}Well, the medicine
with your name on it doesn't help.
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$1,600 in vet bills.
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And you have physical custody
of the dog now. Right?
261
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- Right.
- And your agreement with Mr. Wright
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is that you don't get ownership
of that dog
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- until the dog is paid for.
- Yeah.
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I mean, I can't enforce your contract
with regard to Miss Jones.
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The dog was not paid for.
266
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I've already offered to pay him
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for the remainder
of whatever Jush hadn't paid him.
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The contract is with Mr. Caldwell,
not you.
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So, that's what happens when foolish
young people decide to own a dog together.
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And they're not married,
they don't even live together.
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This is what happens, 'cause relationships
come and go, you know,
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fifty percent of the marriages
in this country fail,
273
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so why would you think a relationship is
going to last as long as a French Bulldog?
274
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It's sort of ridiculous and I've advised
against it for the last 25 years
275
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nobody wants to head the...
so, I'm faced with the situation where...
276
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when did the two of you break up?
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I left on September 3rd.
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And now we're a couple of months... what?
279
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Uh, she didn't leave. She had to be...
280
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well, this...
is going to go into the assault charge.
281
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- [Judy] I don't...
- But...
282
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- [Jushua] she had to be escorted out...
- [Jasmine] I did leave.
283
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Whatever. If... I don't care. You wanna...
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- [Jasmine] ...clothes...
- You... shh
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I'll get to the counterclaim in a second.
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{\an8}I will give it the same attention as
I've given her claim for the dog.
287
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{\an8}She's not getting the dog back.
You have to, however,
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{\an8}pay her the $1,600 that you paid
for the vet. Do you understand?
289
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- Yes.
- So, that part
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of your petition is granted.
291
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Was the bill all paid?
292
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I'm still paying it off currently.
293
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We both agreed to apply
for care credit together and whoever...
294
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But it's your bill that you have to pay.
295
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If you work in accounting,
you have a check...
296
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- Yes.
- ...you don't want that garnished,
297
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- so, you have to pay it.
- I am paying it.
298
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You have to pay it. Okay.
299
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And he's going to reimburse you for that.
$1,600, all right.
300
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Now, let's get to this counterclaim
and make short shrift of it.
301
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Money owed for assault
and vandalizing personal belongings.
302
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Let's start with the assault.
303
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Allegedly the assault
took place when the...
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Plaintiff came home intoxicated.
305
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I'm a kickboxer.
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On September 3rd she came to
my fight and...
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she dropped me off at home.
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[Jasmine] That's a lie.
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[Judy] If you say it again,
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what I'm going to do
if you interrupt, Miss Jones,
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again, what I'm going to do
is I'm just going to dismiss your claim.
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And you'll pay
for these vet bills yourself.
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- Do you understand?
- Yes, ma'am.
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[Judy] Okay. Go ahead.
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She didn't like the people
that was at my fight there, and, uh,
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so she had a couple drinks,
she get to my house
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and she started to fight with me. And...
318
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I tried to remove myself from the fight
and then she started getting violent.
319
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So, then I called her family
to come pick her up
320
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and they showed up maybe an hour later.
321
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{\an8}In that hour,
I tried to remove myself to another room.
322
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{\an8}She went and got scissors
and started cutting my shoes up.
323
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Then I had to try to grab my shoes
and Scrap and go into the opposite room
324
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and she came in there
and was trying to fight me.
325
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All the while, all this happening,
326
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I'm recording her
on video to make sure that I'm...
327
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- You have that recording?
- Yes.
328
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I'd like to see it.
329
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This would be me asking her
just to leave.
330
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{\an8}- I can... I can...
- This whole thing is out of retaliation.
331
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What are you about to do?
332
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Are you hitting me in the face?
333
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Record me?
334
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Because I want my dog?
335
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She won't stop fighting me.
336
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I've asked her to leave.
337
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Explain that to me.
338
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[theme music playing]
339
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{\an8}[announcer] Jasmine Jones
340
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{\an8}is accusing her ex-boyfriend,
Jushua Caldwell,
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of owing vet bills for a French Bulldog.
342
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Jushua is countersuing,
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claiming Jasmine assaulted him.
344
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Okay. You have that recording?
345
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- [Jushua] Yes.
- I'd like to see it.
346
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This would be asking her just to leave.
347
00:15:17,834 --> 00:15:19,467
This whole thing is out of retaliation.
348
00:15:20,967 --> 00:15:22,433
Are you hitting me in the face?
349
00:15:22,433 --> 00:15:23,467
Record me?
350
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Because I want my dog?
351
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She won't stop fighting me.
352
00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:27,967
I've asked her to leave.
353
00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:29,667
Your stuff is in bags.
354
00:15:29,867 --> 00:15:31,300
You're such a _______ Josh.
355
00:15:31,300 --> 00:15:33,066
Okay. There you go again.
356
00:15:33,367 --> 00:15:35,033
There you go again on camera hitting me.
357
00:15:35,500 --> 00:15:36,533
On camera hitting me.
358
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It's on camera.
359
00:15:40,567 --> 00:15:41,500
You see her hitting me?
360
00:15:41,900 --> 00:15:42,800
There you go.
361
00:15:44,133 --> 00:15:45,100
Explain that to me.
362
00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:47,300
I wasn't dropping him off.
We were still...
363
00:15:47,300 --> 00:15:50,033
I don't care what you're dropping off.
Explain that video to me.
364
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I was pushing the phone out of my face
because he had me on live
365
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and was saying my full name.
He cut off parts of it.
366
00:15:56,500 --> 00:15:58,166
- Saying my full name...
- I just want to know what happened here.
367
00:15:58,166 --> 00:16:00,867
This was clearly you were going after him.
368
00:16:00,867 --> 00:16:04,233
I was knocking the phone out of his hand
because he was saying my full name,
369
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saying I was crazy.
370
00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,800
I had already packed my stuff.
I was leaving.
371
00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,900
{\an8}We walk in the house,
he calls me a dumb 'B'
372
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{\an8}and then goes straight to the bathroom.
373
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I'm like, okay, well,
I'm just gonna leave,
374
00:16:14,033 --> 00:16:15,300
like, I'm not gonna deal with this.
375
00:16:15,300 --> 00:16:18,133
I had Scrappy by my side.
I was packing what I could,
376
00:16:18,133 --> 00:16:20,400
taking it downstairs.
I walk back up,
377
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he goes, "Oh, you're leaving?"
378
00:16:21,734 --> 00:16:25,266
And he snatches Scrappy
and locks him in the bedroom.
379
00:16:25,567 --> 00:16:28,400
And then when he goes
to open the door is when I barge in
380
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and I'm just like,
"Give me my dog so I can leave."
381
00:16:30,767 --> 00:16:31,767
- And he's...
- Well, I wanna know what
382
00:16:31,767 --> 00:16:33,500
the violent stuff was about.
383
00:16:33,500 --> 00:16:35,767
- He was recording me, saying my name.
- He was recording...
384
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- He was recording you.
- And saying I was crazy,
385
00:16:38,266 --> 00:16:42,066
and I wouldn't get out of the house,
and I was like, "Stop recording me."
386
00:16:42,066 --> 00:16:43,734
And I was just hitting the phone
out of his hand.
387
00:16:43,734 --> 00:16:45,734
I never once put my hands on him.
388
00:16:45,734 --> 00:16:48,367
He's already hit me
and choked me in the past, so,
389
00:16:48,367 --> 00:16:52,367
{\an8}I would not go there
to provoke him to hurt me again.
390
00:16:52,367 --> 00:16:54,500
Did you ever report to anyone
that he hurt you?
391
00:16:54,500 --> 00:16:57,200
- I told my mom.
- [Judy] Did you ever report?
392
00:16:57,433 --> 00:16:58,367
No, I didn't.
393
00:16:58,367 --> 00:16:59,900
[Judy] Mr. Caldwell.
394
00:16:59,900 --> 00:17:01,367
- Yeah?
- Were you injured?
395
00:17:01,367 --> 00:17:03,467
I mean, I'm a fighter.
I'm not gonna...
396
00:17:03,467 --> 00:17:05,567
- Were you injured, is my question.
- No.
397
00:17:05,567 --> 00:17:06,900
Her family came?
398
00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,100
- Yeah.
- [Judy] The police were not called.
399
00:17:09,100 --> 00:17:11,000
You called her family instead.
400
00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,200
Did you pick her up?
Stand up, please.
401
00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,133
- You're her mother?
- Yes I am.
402
00:17:15,133 --> 00:17:18,900
Okay. And this incident happened
on what date? When he called you.
403
00:17:18,900 --> 00:17:20,367
It was about three o'clock in the morning.
404
00:17:20,367 --> 00:17:21,300
- [Jushua] Right.
- On...
405
00:17:21,300 --> 00:17:22,967
[Judy] Shh, don't interrupt.
406
00:17:22,967 --> 00:17:24,834
- On what date?
- Labor Day.
407
00:17:24,834 --> 00:17:26,633
Did you go to Mr. Caldwell's home?
408
00:17:26,633 --> 00:17:28,567
- Yes I did.
- What time did you get there?
409
00:17:28,567 --> 00:17:29,533
Probably almost four.
410
00:17:29,533 --> 00:17:33,266
Had Mr. Caldwell ever called you before
with regard to picking up your daughter
411
00:17:33,266 --> 00:17:34,967
- or that she was... no.
- No.
412
00:17:34,967 --> 00:17:37,600
- So, this was a first.
- Yes.
413
00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,900
Now, when you got there,
I want you to describe what you saw.
414
00:17:40,900 --> 00:17:42,467
She was crying, she was upset,
415
00:17:42,467 --> 00:17:45,133
{\an8}and I told her, "Come on, let's just go."
416
00:17:45,133 --> 00:17:49,000
{\an8}And she said, "No, I want to get my dog.
I can't leave my dog here."
417
00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,000
He's been violent
in the past, I've seen it.
418
00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,633
I told her, "Don't ever leave him
with him again."
419
00:17:53,633 --> 00:17:56,333
After a beach incident where he,
like, hit him.
420
00:17:56,333 --> 00:17:58,867
I mean, he's a kickboxer, like he said.
421
00:17:58,867 --> 00:18:02,633
He doesn't hit the dog like,
a normal person would just tap a dog.
422
00:18:02,633 --> 00:18:05,834
No. This was back in July.
He was a puppy. He was a baby.
423
00:18:05,834 --> 00:18:08,200
And I was so furious when I saw that.
424
00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,033
He only did it because
the dog snapped at him
425
00:18:11,033 --> 00:18:14,800
because he was angrily packing him
up into a dog carrier.
426
00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,433
Would you do me a favor? Would you
describe to me your daughter's condition?
427
00:18:18,433 --> 00:18:20,500
- Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
- Describe to me...
428
00:18:20,500 --> 00:18:24,467
You have to understand.
Your daughter cannot get the dog.
429
00:18:24,467 --> 00:18:27,266
The dog does not belong to the Defendant.
430
00:18:27,266 --> 00:18:30,166
- Okay.
- The dog belongs to Mr. Wright.
431
00:18:30,166 --> 00:18:33,600
What happens to the $1,310
she spent for the dog?
432
00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,166
- [Judy] Well, I... just...
- She sent that money to him.
433
00:18:35,166 --> 00:18:36,467
I have to tell you something.
434
00:18:36,467 --> 00:18:40,533
I don't see anything
in your daughter's evidence
435
00:18:40,533 --> 00:18:45,200
that suggests to me
that any payments that she made to him
436
00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,600
had anything to do with the dog.
437
00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,033
Anything to do with the dog.
438
00:18:49,033 --> 00:18:50,967
Mr. Wright was very clear.
439
00:18:50,967 --> 00:18:54,400
He said he received $700 for the dog.
440
00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:59,967
There were two payments
that were identified in his register
441
00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:01,967
as payments for Scrappy.
442
00:19:01,967 --> 00:19:04,800
There is absolutely nothing
in your daughter's register
443
00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:09,533
that she gave me of these odd payments,
$160 or $70,
444
00:19:09,533 --> 00:19:12,300
say Scrappy on it. Not one.
445
00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:16,500
So, I've already made a determination
of where the dog is staying.
446
00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:21,333
The dog is staying wherever
Mr. Wright wants the dog to stay.
447
00:19:21,333 --> 00:19:23,600
- 'cause he owns the dog.
- [Melissa] Okay.
448
00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:24,767
- Understand?
- Yes.
449
00:19:24,767 --> 00:19:27,934
So, now, that's your daughter's case.
450
00:19:27,934 --> 00:19:29,967
I finished that part of the case.
451
00:19:29,967 --> 00:19:32,633
What I want to know is,
he has a counterclaim,
452
00:19:32,633 --> 00:19:34,867
and his counterclaim was
that your daughter,
453
00:19:34,867 --> 00:19:38,667
while in an intoxicated state,
assaulted him.
454
00:19:38,667 --> 00:19:41,367
Some of that I saw on this video.
455
00:19:41,367 --> 00:19:43,934
Some of it you saw on the video.
456
00:19:43,934 --> 00:19:46,633
Mr. Caldwell was... honest.
457
00:19:46,633 --> 00:19:50,200
Because it doesn't look as if he was
injured as a result of that.
458
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:55,066
And I'm absolutely
not discounting the fact that
459
00:19:55,066 --> 00:19:57,800
no one should put their hands
on somebody else,
460
00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,367
but an assault requires an injury.
461
00:20:00,367 --> 00:20:02,767
- And, so, if this is an attack...
- [Scrappy snorting]
462
00:20:02,767 --> 00:20:04,633
- Is that dog sleeping?
- [Jasmine] No, that's...
463
00:20:04,633 --> 00:20:06,633
- That is so funny.
- [Melissa] He grunts all the time.
464
00:20:06,633 --> 00:20:07,900
That is so funny.
465
00:20:09,033 --> 00:20:10,834
So, Mr. Caldwell.
466
00:20:10,834 --> 00:20:16,333
Can you show me what damage you allege
Miss Jones caused your property?
467
00:20:16,333 --> 00:20:17,600
That's the next thing.
468
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,900
You said an assault, which never happened,
because there was no physical injury.
469
00:20:21,900 --> 00:20:23,967
Would you mind telling me, please,
470
00:20:23,967 --> 00:20:27,667
what property specifically
and photographs of that property?
471
00:20:27,667 --> 00:20:29,000
- I don't have it.
- Okay, so,
472
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,433
your counterclaim's dismissed.
473
00:20:30,433 --> 00:20:33,033
Judgement for the Plaintiff in
the amount of $1,600
474
00:20:33,033 --> 00:20:37,734
for the vet bills that she paid,
or is obligated to pay on her credit.
475
00:20:37,734 --> 00:20:39,767
It's not assault unless I get hurt?
476
00:20:39,767 --> 00:20:42,166
Yes, it's not an assault
unless there is an injury.
477
00:20:42,166 --> 00:20:43,734
- So, if I was drunk beating her up
- That is an attempt...
478
00:20:43,734 --> 00:20:44,834
- at her house?
- Just a second, if that's
479
00:20:44,834 --> 00:20:47,867
an attempted... sir,
it's an attempted assault.
480
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,967
Do you understand?
If an assault has a specific definition.
481
00:20:51,967 --> 00:20:54,367
I believe she probably
attempted to assault you
482
00:20:54,367 --> 00:20:56,900
when she touched you
in an unauthorized manner.
483
00:20:56,900 --> 00:20:58,433
She was punching me
in the face, that's not an...
484
00:20:58,433 --> 00:21:00,233
- Show me a picture of any injury.
- It was in the...
485
00:21:00,233 --> 00:21:03,066
Show me... no. I didn't see that
in the video, sir.
486
00:21:03,066 --> 00:21:04,767
I saw her lunging towards you.
487
00:21:04,767 --> 00:21:07,433
Do you understand?
I saw her lunging towards you.
488
00:21:07,433 --> 00:21:08,633
- All right.
- I didn't see her hit you,
489
00:21:08,633 --> 00:21:11,133
I didn't see a photograph of any injury,
490
00:21:11,133 --> 00:21:12,700
I didn't see a police report
491
00:21:12,700 --> 00:21:14,400
- where you reported any injury.
- She has police
492
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,834
report incidences with her being drunk
and fighting other men.
493
00:21:16,834 --> 00:21:20,000
Okey dokey.
Did you understand what I said?
494
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,033
An assault requires injury.
495
00:21:23,033 --> 00:21:26,266
An attempted assault does not.
496
00:21:26,266 --> 00:21:27,867
And attempted assault is a crime.
497
00:21:27,867 --> 00:21:31,667
But it's a crime which I choose,
because of the circumstances here,
498
00:21:31,667 --> 00:21:34,767
not to consider and not
to award you any cash award
499
00:21:34,767 --> 00:21:36,934
because you were not injured in any way.
500
00:21:36,934 --> 00:21:41,367
So, unless you have photographs
of the pair of shoes that you say she cut,
501
00:21:41,367 --> 00:21:43,767
or something else,
I'm dismissing your counterclaim.
502
00:21:43,767 --> 00:21:46,166
We got it? Good. Okay.
503
00:21:46,166 --> 00:21:49,867
Judgement for the Plaintiff in the amount
of $1,600. Thank you very much.
504
00:21:49,867 --> 00:21:51,734
[Bailiff] This court is adjourned.
505
00:21:51,734 --> 00:21:55,433
Scrappy was not just, like,
a dog or a pet, like,
506
00:21:55,433 --> 00:21:57,667
he was my support.
507
00:21:57,667 --> 00:22:00,433
I mean, it was fair. Obviously she
had nothing to do with the dog.
508
00:22:00,433 --> 00:22:04,633
{\an8}It's expected because he lied the entire
time that we were together.
509
00:22:04,633 --> 00:22:05,633
And that's a lie.
510
00:22:05,633 --> 00:22:10,100
{\an8}Him not to have given him any of
the money that I put towards Scrappy.
511
00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:13,800
{\an8}She literally just got all
the transactions that we've ever done
512
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,033
between each other on Venmo
or Zelle and brought that to court.
513
00:22:17,033 --> 00:22:20,066
{\an8}Now I just think, like, he was pocketing
that money the entire time.
514
00:22:20,066 --> 00:22:22,967
And that's why it was dismissed,
because it wasn't valid at all.
515
00:22:26,433 --> 00:22:31,333
So, I disagree with you a little bit
on the countersuit of the assault charge.
516
00:22:31,333 --> 00:22:33,100
I have a more... Common law...
517
00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:35,800
So, assault versus battery,
as far as I learned,
518
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,367
was assault was just
the imminent threat of a harm.
519
00:22:39,367 --> 00:22:42,633
You're fearing for your life
or offensive contact of some sort.
520
00:22:42,633 --> 00:22:45,834
Whereas, battery is the actual
offensive touching.
521
00:22:45,834 --> 00:22:47,367
There has to be some sort of contact.
522
00:22:47,367 --> 00:22:50,300
So, if we're ruling by common law,
which I know we're not bound
523
00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:52,467
by any particular state's jurisdiction,
524
00:22:52,467 --> 00:22:55,900
I would have awarded him something
for the assault claim.
525
00:22:55,900 --> 00:22:58,266
- My training is in New York...
- Mm-hmm.
526
00:22:58,467 --> 00:23:01,867
and in New York,
there is no crime of battery.
527
00:23:01,867 --> 00:23:03,667
My training was, it's assault.
528
00:23:03,667 --> 00:23:08,200
And for an assault, there has to be
a physical touching and injury.
529
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,700
And an attempted assault
530
00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:13,700
is placing someone in fear
of imminent physical injury.
531
00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:17,233
I think you're probably right that there
are jurisdictions that are different.
532
00:23:17,233 --> 00:23:22,100
We didn't actually see
any contact between her and him.
533
00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:23,700
- [Sarah] And he was honest, he said,
- We saw... yeah.
534
00:23:23,700 --> 00:23:25,734
"You know, obviously I didn't
have any injuries, but..."
535
00:23:25,734 --> 00:23:29,100
Right. Just says he didn't have
any evidence to support
536
00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:33,433
the fact that she had destroyed
or damaged some of his personal property.
537
00:23:33,433 --> 00:23:37,066
Unfortunate, but you'd make a good point
with regard to the assault.
538
00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:42,767
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