1 00:00:00,033 --> 00:00:04,133 {\an8}Why we paying for the child that doesn't go to school anymore? 2 00:00:04,133 --> 00:00:06,233 Your child was dismissed from school for cheating! 3 00:00:06,333 --> 00:00:09,567 He did have a paper with him, but he did not cheat! 4 00:00:09,667 --> 00:00:11,133 He got caught three times. 5 00:00:11,133 --> 00:00:13,200 What do you do? You tell your son, 6 00:00:13,300 --> 00:00:15,867 "You better straighten up," stop making excuses. 7 00:00:15,967 --> 00:00:18,333 This is Judy Justice. 8 00:00:34,367 --> 00:00:37,633 Robin Slagle is suing her customer, 9 00:00:37,633 --> 00:00:41,467 {\an8}Jack Mkrtchyan, for tuition and administrative fees. 10 00:00:41,467 --> 00:00:43,533 Court come to order. All rise. 11 00:00:45,233 --> 00:00:46,233 Have a seat, please. 12 00:00:47,667 --> 00:00:50,133 {\an8}Hello, Judge. Case number 2126, 13 00:00:50,133 --> 00:00:51,467 {\an8}Slagle versus Mkrtchyan. 14 00:00:51,467 --> 00:00:52,500 {\an8}- Thank you. - You're welcome. 15 00:00:53,967 --> 00:00:56,200 You run a school. Yes, ma'am, it's a program. 16 00:00:56,300 --> 00:00:58,200 Is it a school or a program? 17 00:00:58,300 --> 00:00:59,967 It's a program. What's the difference? 18 00:01:00,100 --> 00:01:04,200 The program is not a school where the children come every day. 19 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:05,700 {\an8}They come twice a week. 20 00:01:05,700 --> 00:01:08,367 - Parents... - They come twice a week online? 21 00:01:08,367 --> 00:01:09,900 No. We are... In person? 22 00:01:09,900 --> 00:01:11,867 In person. Yes. OK, so twice a week 23 00:01:11,867 --> 00:01:13,900 they are there, at a brick-and-mortar place? 24 00:01:13,900 --> 00:01:17,567 - Yes. - And how long have you had this program? 25 00:01:17,567 --> 00:01:20,967 We actually started this program during the lockdown in 2020, spring, 26 00:01:21,066 --> 00:01:24,433 so this is the end of our first semester of our third year. 27 00:01:24,533 --> 00:01:27,400 OK. And tell me, who runs the program? 28 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,700 - I do. - You have an educational background? 29 00:01:29,700 --> 00:01:31,700 I do. I have a master's in education. 30 00:01:31,700 --> 00:01:33,867 Does anybody run the program with you? 31 00:01:33,867 --> 00:01:35,867 I have a staff, but I'm the full director. 32 00:01:35,867 --> 00:01:38,266 Is this an annual program? 33 00:01:38,367 --> 00:01:41,533 We do operate on a semesterly basis as far as payments, 34 00:01:41,533 --> 00:01:45,533 but the classes just roll over from first semester to second semester. 35 00:01:45,533 --> 00:01:47,400 And is there a contract? - Yes. 36 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,367 OK, and you're gonna show me the contract 37 00:01:49,367 --> 00:01:52,533 that the defendant signed on behalf of his son? 38 00:01:52,533 --> 00:01:53,433 Yes. 39 00:01:53,533 --> 00:01:55,233 Because that's what this case is about. 40 00:01:55,233 --> 00:01:56,767 - Yes. - The only interesting part of the case 41 00:01:56,867 --> 00:01:58,867 is your son was enrolled in the program. 42 00:01:58,867 --> 00:02:02,467 He was terminated from the program for, let's say misconduct. 43 00:02:02,467 --> 00:02:05,300 That's true. And it was misconduct 44 00:02:05,300 --> 00:02:09,500 that was replicated in violation of the rules at least three times? 45 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,600 {\an8}Kind of. Not kind of. 46 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,934 {\an8}At least three times, that you acknowledge. 47 00:02:13,934 --> 00:02:15,967 {\an8}- OK. - That's not an "OK". 48 00:02:15,967 --> 00:02:18,200 That's not an OK, that's either a "yes" or a "no". 49 00:02:18,300 --> 00:02:21,000 I mean, I read about three instances of cheating. 50 00:02:21,100 --> 00:02:23,433 You acknowledged that in your answer. 51 00:02:23,433 --> 00:02:25,633 Well, it's different, it's different. 52 00:02:25,633 --> 00:02:26,834 You mean, he cheated differently? 53 00:02:26,934 --> 00:02:30,300 No, he didn't cheat differently. I mean, I can explain. 54 00:02:30,300 --> 00:02:32,266 It was explained in the papers. 55 00:02:32,266 --> 00:02:33,834 - OK. - And you weren't there, 56 00:02:33,934 --> 00:02:35,166 so you can't explain. 57 00:02:35,266 --> 00:02:37,767 But you acknowledged the fact that he cheated, 58 00:02:37,767 --> 00:02:40,166 he was given a warning, you were advised. 59 00:02:40,266 --> 00:02:42,266 He cheated again, you were given a warning, 60 00:02:42,266 --> 00:02:44,033 and he was allowed to continue. 61 00:02:44,133 --> 00:02:47,500 On the third such event, the school terminated him. 62 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,266 - Is that what I read? - Yes, ma'am. 63 00:02:49,266 --> 00:02:51,500 And that's what you acknowledge in your papers. 64 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,867 {\an8}Yes. Yes, ma'am. OK, well, that's a "yes". 65 00:02:53,967 --> 00:02:56,767 And he was within a semester, 66 00:02:56,767 --> 00:02:59,533 you had paid the tuition, and then 67 00:02:59,633 --> 00:03:02,834 tried to reverse the payment, 'cause you paid on a credit card. 68 00:03:02,834 --> 00:03:04,834 Yes, I paid with credit card, yes. 69 00:03:04,834 --> 00:03:07,000 {\an8}OK, and then, when you got the bill, 70 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,166 {\an8}you challenged that payment, 71 00:03:09,166 --> 00:03:12,033 {\an8}- which you had, in fact, received, - Mm-hmm. 72 00:03:12,033 --> 00:03:14,834 {\an8}and whatever you told the credit card company, 73 00:03:14,834 --> 00:03:16,834 {\an8}as a result of what you told them, 74 00:03:16,834 --> 00:03:21,100 {\an8}the payment was reversed and taken off your credit card. 75 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,900 {\an8}That is correct. Right. 76 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,834 And so they are here now, 77 00:03:24,834 --> 00:03:28,033 seeking that tuition payment from a court. 78 00:03:28,033 --> 00:03:31,266 That's why we're here, to see whether, contractually, 79 00:03:31,367 --> 00:03:33,100 'cause this is a breach of contract action, 80 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,934 you are obligated to pay the tuition, 81 00:03:36,033 --> 00:03:39,333 even though your son was not in the program, 82 00:03:39,333 --> 00:03:41,900 because he was dismissed for cause. 83 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,100 Which you acknowledge. 84 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,100 Are we clear on where we are? 85 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:46,600 - Yes, ma'am. - Yes, ma'am. 86 00:03:46,700 --> 00:03:50,367 Good. So now, I'm going to look at the contract. 87 00:03:51,867 --> 00:03:54,166 I'd like to add that, um... 88 00:03:54,166 --> 00:03:55,433 Just let me look at the contract first. 89 00:03:55,533 --> 00:03:56,433 OK. 90 00:03:58,166 --> 00:04:01,934 If you see contract there signed by-- by my party, I want to see it, too, 91 00:04:01,934 --> 00:04:04,433 'cause I don't see my name, I sign a contract. 92 00:04:04,433 --> 00:04:06,467 That's a statement, probably, or it's a... 93 00:04:06,567 --> 00:04:08,266 It's a payment agreement. Yeah. 94 00:04:08,266 --> 00:04:09,400 That's not a contract. 95 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,467 Yeah, a payment agreement is a contract, sir. 96 00:04:11,567 --> 00:04:13,900 But signed by--by me? - Well, it says "signed: 97 00:04:13,900 --> 00:04:16,900 "Irina Jack". Is Irina your wife? 98 00:04:16,900 --> 00:04:18,800 That's correct, yeah. OK. 99 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:24,000 So this says, "I understand that payments are due even if classes 100 00:04:24,100 --> 00:04:28,300 or memberships are dropped, subject to the refund policy." 101 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,100 Well, what's the refund policy and where is that in writing? 102 00:04:31,100 --> 00:04:32,734 It is on our website. 103 00:04:32,734 --> 00:04:35,400 They sign it with the form that they had to sign. 104 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,834 Well, I'd like to see the form that they signed. 105 00:04:37,934 --> 00:04:40,300 'Cause I have to see what the terms are of that. 106 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:45,266 These are the terms of... the refund. 107 00:04:48,467 --> 00:04:50,900 Thank you. - That's a screen shot of our website. 108 00:04:50,900 --> 00:04:53,467 The website is unimportant to me. 109 00:04:53,567 --> 00:04:55,967 You say you have an agreement signed by them. 110 00:04:56,066 --> 00:04:58,633 {\an8}- I'd like to see it. - Well, the agreement that we have signed 111 00:04:58,734 --> 00:05:01,000 {\an8}was the installment agreement. So I'm sorry... 112 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,233 {\an8}Well, I only have one payment agreement. 113 00:05:04,333 --> 00:05:07,633 What I said I want to see is a refund policy. 114 00:05:07,633 --> 00:05:10,400 You said you have that, that they signed, I don't see the... 115 00:05:10,500 --> 00:05:13,333 They don't sign the policy. They sign the agreement, 116 00:05:13,333 --> 00:05:15,467 the policy is a written policy. 117 00:05:15,467 --> 00:05:17,533 Well, I would like to see the written policy. 118 00:05:17,633 --> 00:05:19,533 That's what we have on our website, and it's clearly... 119 00:05:19,633 --> 00:05:21,467 No. No? OK. 120 00:05:21,467 --> 00:05:24,166 No. What you have to do is, 121 00:05:24,166 --> 00:05:28,233 you have to incorporate something by agreement in this contract. 122 00:05:28,333 --> 00:05:31,233 If you say, "the refund policy 123 00:05:31,333 --> 00:05:33,367 as outlined in the website," 124 00:05:33,467 --> 00:05:35,467 'cause, other than that, it's meaningless. 125 00:05:35,467 --> 00:05:36,800 OK. You know. 126 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,967 You're saying, "We have a refund policy, 127 00:05:38,967 --> 00:05:41,367 and we assumed that you looked on the website 128 00:05:41,467 --> 00:05:42,867 to see what the policy is." 129 00:05:42,967 --> 00:05:46,967 We also do go over it, um, in parent meetings with the parents... 130 00:05:46,967 --> 00:05:50,633 That you can't do, because you have a written agreement. 131 00:05:50,633 --> 00:05:52,900 Right. And anything that's outside 132 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,033 of that agreement, unless it's referenced in the agreement, 133 00:05:57,133 --> 00:05:58,633 Mm-hmm. is inadmissible, 134 00:05:58,633 --> 00:06:02,934 because the intention of it is to somehow change or modify 135 00:06:03,033 --> 00:06:04,867 the terms of your written contract. 136 00:06:04,867 --> 00:06:07,600 OK. So, in what month 137 00:06:07,700 --> 00:06:10,467 did the defendant's son start the program? 138 00:06:10,567 --> 00:06:12,767 In August of 2021. 139 00:06:12,867 --> 00:06:15,233 And it runs in two semesters? And when was he terminated? 140 00:06:15,233 --> 00:06:18,300 He was terminated in February of 2022. 141 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,300 You were in a semester program? 142 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,567 Yes. - So, am I correct 143 00:06:22,567 --> 00:06:25,867 that the first two episodes of cheating 144 00:06:25,867 --> 00:06:27,867 - were in the first semester? - Yes. 145 00:06:27,867 --> 00:06:29,600 When? The first one 146 00:06:29,700 --> 00:06:31,734 was early in November, it happened to be 147 00:06:31,734 --> 00:06:34,300 the third week of our second semester. 148 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,967 The next one was a couple weeks later, 149 00:06:37,066 --> 00:06:38,867 in the same month of November. 150 00:06:38,867 --> 00:06:40,600 OK. So, the semester had started. 151 00:06:40,700 --> 00:06:43,367 Mm-hmm. "Uh-huh" is not "yes". 152 00:06:43,367 --> 00:06:45,900 And on what day in February was he terminated? 153 00:06:45,900 --> 00:06:51,233 He was terminated on February 24th, I believe. Yes. 154 00:06:51,233 --> 00:06:54,400 And when you terminated the defendant, I assume, 155 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,533 paid the entire semester's tuition for the second semester? 156 00:06:58,533 --> 00:07:01,667 {\an8}The second semester, he signed the installment agreement, 157 00:07:01,767 --> 00:07:02,934 {\an8}which is what you have there. 158 00:07:02,934 --> 00:07:05,166 This is a payment agreement. Right. 159 00:07:05,266 --> 00:07:08,333 That's it. He agreed to pay in installments. 160 00:07:08,433 --> 00:07:11,467 No. It says, "I agree to pay all charges 161 00:07:11,467 --> 00:07:13,500 by due dates, according to the payment plan." 162 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,367 I don't have a signed payment plan. 163 00:07:16,467 --> 00:07:19,000 From anybody. Do you have one? 164 00:07:19,100 --> 00:07:22,100 I'm sorry, that's what we use for our signed payment plan. 165 00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:24,367 Well, you should use something different. 166 00:07:24,467 --> 00:07:26,633 This is not a payment plan, this says he will pay 167 00:07:26,633 --> 00:07:28,533 according to a payment plan. 168 00:07:28,633 --> 00:07:29,767 I'm looking for the payment plan. 169 00:07:29,767 --> 00:07:34,200 You pay by the month, you pay by the semester... 170 00:07:34,300 --> 00:07:36,300 - How do you pay? - It's a semesterly fee 171 00:07:36,300 --> 00:07:38,166 that's broken into four payments. 172 00:07:38,266 --> 00:07:40,266 So they don't have to pay it all upfront. 173 00:07:40,266 --> 00:07:41,934 OK. They can choose to. 174 00:07:41,934 --> 00:07:46,266 And... so, when was the defendant's last payment? 175 00:07:46,266 --> 00:07:48,500 They paid through the semester. 176 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,133 Through what semester? - Second semester. 177 00:07:50,133 --> 00:07:51,867 OK, so they paid in full? 178 00:07:51,967 --> 00:07:53,133 Through the installment. 179 00:07:53,133 --> 00:07:56,700 So, what happens is, they agree to be automatically billed. 180 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,333 And so, every month, they, a certain amount comes out... 181 00:08:00,333 --> 00:08:02,834 Just a second. So, what you're saying is, 182 00:08:02,834 --> 00:08:06,266 when they sign up, they give you authority 183 00:08:06,367 --> 00:08:08,433 - to pull out from their bank - Yes. 184 00:08:08,533 --> 00:08:11,200 whatever the tuition is for that month? 185 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:12,400 Right. OK. 186 00:08:12,500 --> 00:08:14,500 And according to your records, 187 00:08:14,500 --> 00:08:17,433 when was the last payment that you received 188 00:08:17,533 --> 00:08:21,000 {\an8}for the defendant's son prior to terminating him? 189 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,333 {\an8}Prior to terminating him, we received a payment in February. 190 00:08:24,333 --> 00:08:27,934 And you terminated him on February 24th? Yes. 191 00:08:28,033 --> 00:08:30,233 How much was that payment? 192 00:08:30,333 --> 00:08:33,734 It was... have it right here... 193 00:08:35,767 --> 00:08:38,000 You know what? I don't know. 194 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:42,867 - $350. Every month. - That's 300... that's right. $350. 195 00:08:42,867 --> 00:08:46,066 I know, I got charged the extra month, so I knew the number. 196 00:08:46,166 --> 00:08:50,166 OK. So, it was $350 that you paid the beginning of February, 197 00:08:50,166 --> 00:08:53,066 - and he was there in February? - That is correct. 198 00:08:53,166 --> 00:08:54,200 OK. 199 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,166 In what month did you dispute the charge? 200 00:08:57,166 --> 00:08:58,767 Well, I... - No, no. Not "well". 201 00:08:58,867 --> 00:09:01,734 - I said in what month... - May. 202 00:09:01,734 --> 00:09:03,433 I only realized in May, 203 00:09:03,433 --> 00:09:05,133 - she's been charging... - Shh. Just a second. 204 00:09:07,934 --> 00:09:10,500 He was plagiarized by teachers. 205 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,734 He was plagiarized by teachers? 206 00:09:12,734 --> 00:09:16,066 He was given notice because he lied on a test by teacher, yeah? 207 00:09:16,066 --> 00:09:18,000 But it's not exactly what happened. 208 00:09:18,100 --> 00:09:20,000 They're not in the business of expelling children, 209 00:09:20,100 --> 00:09:22,500 they're in the business of keeping children in school. 210 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:23,767 But... You really have to 211 00:09:23,767 --> 00:09:25,100 get this through your head. 212 00:09:35,934 --> 00:09:39,000 Robin Slagle claims her customer, 213 00:09:39,100 --> 00:09:43,734 {\an8}Jack Mkrtchyan, owes for tuition and administrative fees. 214 00:09:43,734 --> 00:09:46,333 So, you paid in February, 215 00:09:46,433 --> 00:09:49,433 and your son was there in February? That is correct. 216 00:09:49,433 --> 00:09:51,133 Did you pay in March? 217 00:09:51,233 --> 00:09:53,233 Oh, it was taken out of my account Yes. 218 00:09:53,233 --> 00:09:54,400 without me knowing, but yes. 219 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,400 Is that $350? - That is correct. 220 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,900 And did you pay in April? I did pay in April. 221 00:09:59,900 --> 00:10:02,500 OK. Now, the May payment, 222 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,834 {\an8}is the May payment the payment that you canceled? 223 00:10:05,934 --> 00:10:09,233 {\an8}No. On the May, I also paid for a May payment. 224 00:10:09,233 --> 00:10:11,400 Looking at my statements, I said, 225 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,400 "Why are we paying for the child? 226 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,500 He doesn't go to school anymore." 227 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,767 And, uh, that's when I called them 228 00:10:17,767 --> 00:10:20,467 and, uh, then I called my credit card company, 229 00:10:20,567 --> 00:10:21,767 explained what happened. 230 00:10:21,767 --> 00:10:25,467 They said, "We are gonna charge the money back to your account." 231 00:10:25,567 --> 00:10:30,100 And that's when I kind of looked through paperwork, 232 00:10:30,100 --> 00:10:32,600 and I'm, um, I'm an immigrant in this country, 233 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,467 I don't, I don't read really well, I can speak. 234 00:10:35,567 --> 00:10:37,633 And my son, he's a young guy, 235 00:10:37,734 --> 00:10:40,233 and he knows exactly what it is, and that's what I brought him. 236 00:10:40,233 --> 00:10:42,934 I said, "Can you see, do we owe these people money?" 237 00:10:42,934 --> 00:10:46,400 And if you guys allow it, I can have Alex to explain 238 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,100 what here shows... 239 00:10:48,100 --> 00:10:50,500 Just see it, he doesn't have to explain anything to me. 240 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,567 {\an8}OK. I'm not new to the country, 241 00:10:52,567 --> 00:10:55,233 {\an8}and I was legally trained, 242 00:10:55,233 --> 00:10:56,433 {\an8}so I don't need... 243 00:10:56,433 --> 00:10:59,000 {\an8}your son, I assume you're not legally trained 244 00:10:59,100 --> 00:11:01,200 {\an8}I am not. to interpret something, 245 00:11:01,300 --> 00:11:02,500 {\an8}a piece of paper? 246 00:11:02,500 --> 00:11:05,834 So, now I will look at the piece of paper that you're relying on, 247 00:11:05,834 --> 00:11:07,834 but I want to tell you this, sir. 248 00:11:09,667 --> 00:11:11,900 I've paid the tuition for a lot of people. 249 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,333 A lot. 250 00:11:13,333 --> 00:11:15,166 'Cause I have 13 grandchildren... 251 00:11:15,166 --> 00:11:17,166 Okay. in school. 252 00:11:17,166 --> 00:11:18,133 OK. 253 00:11:18,133 --> 00:11:20,300 I'll take that, Kevin. Thank you, I'm sorry. 254 00:11:21,367 --> 00:11:25,200 I know that if one of my kids or grandkids 255 00:11:25,300 --> 00:11:28,300 goes to school and gets expelled, 256 00:11:28,300 --> 00:11:31,066 and I've paid the tuition, 'cause I'm not a payment plan. 257 00:11:31,166 --> 00:11:34,567 Parents send the bill directly ... 258 00:11:34,667 --> 00:11:37,834 and... and... so I pay the tuition, 259 00:11:37,834 --> 00:11:40,500 but I know if one of the kids 260 00:11:40,500 --> 00:11:43,633 in November, once I've paid the tuition, 261 00:11:43,633 --> 00:11:46,867 gets caught cheating on a test, 262 00:11:46,967 --> 00:11:48,900 or plagiarizing a paper, 263 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,700 and he or she is dismissed from the school, 264 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,800 they're not gonna give me my tuition back. 265 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,133 Even though he's not in school. 266 00:11:56,133 --> 00:11:58,066 I'm not gonna get the tuition back for that semester. 267 00:11:58,166 --> 00:11:59,500 That's true. 268 00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:00,867 That's what I'm telling you. 269 00:12:00,867 --> 00:12:02,200 I know that. 270 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,100 So, now I'm gonna see what you want me to read 271 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:06,633 that suggests that in this case, 272 00:12:06,734 --> 00:12:10,266 even though your son was terminated for cause 273 00:12:10,367 --> 00:12:11,633 from the school for cheating. 274 00:12:11,734 --> 00:12:14,066 Dismissal versus termination is different. 275 00:12:14,066 --> 00:12:16,367 No, no, no, it's not different, at all. 276 00:12:16,367 --> 00:12:19,767 It's the exact same thing, dismissed, terminated, 277 00:12:19,867 --> 00:12:21,867 expelled, all the same thing. 278 00:12:21,867 --> 00:12:24,567 If you look them up under synonyms for each other, 279 00:12:24,567 --> 00:12:27,367 in the dictionary, you will find they're all the same. 280 00:12:27,367 --> 00:12:30,800 He was excised from the school 281 00:12:30,900 --> 00:12:35,633 because he cheated, despite multiple warnings. 282 00:12:35,734 --> 00:12:38,033 So he was expelled from cause. 283 00:12:38,033 --> 00:12:40,367 I just want you to understand that. Did you go to college? 284 00:12:40,367 --> 00:12:43,633 Currently enrolled. Currently? Stand up. 285 00:12:43,734 --> 00:12:45,767 You look like a nice young man. Where do you go to school? 286 00:12:45,867 --> 00:12:48,600 Uh, Cal Poly Pomona. And who pays the tuition? 287 00:12:48,700 --> 00:12:50,734 Uh, I do. 288 00:12:50,734 --> 00:12:51,734 Now, what's your first name? 289 00:12:51,734 --> 00:12:53,300 Alex. Now, Alex, 290 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,100 You do know that if you got expelled 291 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,200 from college for cheating in the middle of a semester, 292 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,667 you wouldn't get your tuition back for that semester? 293 00:13:02,767 --> 00:13:03,934 - You do know that? - Correct. 294 00:13:03,934 --> 00:13:06,600 OK. That's all I wanted to know. Well, that's what we're dealing with here. 295 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:07,867 Could I add something? - Sure. 296 00:13:07,967 --> 00:13:09,867 {\an8}Well, according to their honesty policy, 297 00:13:09,967 --> 00:13:13,700 {\an8}they made a clear difference between dismissal and expulsion. 298 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,834 I'm gonna look at it. OK? OK. 299 00:13:22,367 --> 00:13:25,467 OK. So, what you gave me, - Mm-hmm? 300 00:13:25,467 --> 00:13:27,600 now, acknowledges that you 301 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,700 received the refund policy. 302 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,934 Thank you very much, 'cause she wasn't able 303 00:13:31,934 --> 00:13:34,467 to prove that she gave it to you, but now, 304 00:13:34,467 --> 00:13:38,133 you gave it to me, so I know you were given the refund policy 305 00:13:38,133 --> 00:13:39,700 when you enrolled your son in school. 306 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,200 {\an8}So, we weren't given, but it's something, they have it on their website 307 00:13:43,300 --> 00:13:44,934 {\an8}for you to, I didn't sign. Just a second. 308 00:13:44,934 --> 00:13:47,300 You don't have to sign. Then, you looked at the website. 309 00:13:47,300 --> 00:13:48,633 You gave me this. 310 00:13:48,633 --> 00:13:50,800 - Do you understand? - After this happened, 311 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,033 I went and tried to understand what happened. 312 00:13:53,133 --> 00:13:53,967 Well, you should've done it before. 313 00:13:53,967 --> 00:13:56,700 You were perfectly capable of doing it before. 314 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,300 The contract I signed, and I explain everything... 315 00:13:59,300 --> 00:14:02,166 You just told me five minute ago that you didn't sign any contract. 316 00:14:02,166 --> 00:14:05,333 Well, now you've acknowledged that you signed the contract. 317 00:14:05,333 --> 00:14:07,033 I'm just reading this, that you gave me. 318 00:14:07,033 --> 00:14:09,033 A contract has to be a complete contract, 319 00:14:09,033 --> 00:14:10,900 it says that something... Just a second... 320 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,734 For somebody who's, you know, not here, not from this country, 321 00:14:14,834 --> 00:14:17,367 and doesn't understand things, you seem to understand things very well. 322 00:14:17,367 --> 00:14:19,934 I know the contract has to be completed. 323 00:14:20,033 --> 00:14:22,567 Well, that's very good, a lot of people don't know that. 324 00:14:22,667 --> 00:14:25,200 So, if I give a contract for a statement, 325 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:29,166 then I say, "Oh, go on my website to read about our refund policy," 326 00:14:29,166 --> 00:14:31,367 that's not part of the contract, that's the rules, no? 327 00:14:31,367 --> 00:14:33,533 I didn't sign refund policy. 328 00:14:33,533 --> 00:14:35,533 You don't have to sign a refund policy, 329 00:14:35,533 --> 00:14:37,233 you just have to be aware of it. 330 00:14:37,333 --> 00:14:40,166 If I don't know how to get into website... 331 00:14:40,166 --> 00:14:41,333 You gave me the evidence! 332 00:14:41,333 --> 00:14:43,166 Uh, these are done after everything done... 333 00:14:43,166 --> 00:14:44,066 I-- I'm not sure. 334 00:14:44,166 --> 00:14:45,667 You were certainly aware 335 00:14:45,667 --> 00:14:48,433 of how to do it, either before or after. 336 00:14:48,533 --> 00:14:51,567 When I sign contract with somebody, I disclose everything, 337 00:14:51,667 --> 00:14:54,100 and they initial, and they get copies, I get copies, 338 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,867 and that's a legal binding contract. 339 00:14:55,867 --> 00:14:57,166 Good. What law school did you go to? 340 00:14:57,166 --> 00:14:58,400 None. 341 00:14:59,333 --> 00:15:02,066 Well, there are two things here. 342 00:15:02,066 --> 00:15:05,433 But the final piece here says, 343 00:15:05,433 --> 00:15:10,066 "The consequence for academic dishonesty or plagiarism 344 00:15:10,066 --> 00:15:12,767 is a score of zero on the assignment 345 00:15:12,767 --> 00:15:15,900 - and possibly dismissal from the class." - OK. 346 00:15:15,900 --> 00:15:20,567 So, your son did that in the first semester at least twice. 347 00:15:20,567 --> 00:15:25,233 "Repeated dishonesty can result in suspension or expulsion." 348 00:15:25,233 --> 00:15:28,567 Now... now, you can stand up, because your father says 349 00:15:28,567 --> 00:15:29,800 he doesn't understand everything. 350 00:15:29,900 --> 00:15:31,834 I think he understands everything just fine. 351 00:15:31,934 --> 00:15:33,834 But in case he wants to have you there, 352 00:15:33,934 --> 00:15:37,066 {\an8}now, when you were discussing this with your father, 353 00:15:37,066 --> 00:15:38,100 {\an8}Mm-hmm. Did you have 354 00:15:38,100 --> 00:15:40,734 {\an8}any conversation with him that suggested to him 355 00:15:40,734 --> 00:15:43,233 {\an8}that, you know, "If I went to college, and I cheated 356 00:15:43,233 --> 00:15:45,734 {\an8}three times or four times, or plagiarized a paper, 357 00:15:45,734 --> 00:15:47,467 {\an8}and I was kicked out of school, Mm-hmm. 358 00:15:47,567 --> 00:15:49,567 {\an8}I wouldn't get my tuition back." 359 00:15:49,567 --> 00:15:50,800 Did you tell him that? 360 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,567 No. We had, uh, similar talks, 361 00:15:54,567 --> 00:15:57,467 but no, nothing on the school. 362 00:15:57,567 --> 00:15:59,633 We talked about, for instance, signing a contract, 363 00:15:59,734 --> 00:16:01,200 for, let's say, a one-year lease agreement 364 00:16:01,300 --> 00:16:04,166 to live somewhere. But if you breach the contract, 365 00:16:04,166 --> 00:16:05,900 and they decide to kick you out, 366 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,333 it's the same thing as an explusion. 367 00:16:07,333 --> 00:16:09,700 You're not required to finish the one-year contract with them. 368 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:11,033 You don't have to continue paying. 369 00:16:11,133 --> 00:16:12,533 What, are you kidding? 370 00:16:12,633 --> 00:16:15,133 I am not. If you get evicted from a property, 371 00:16:15,133 --> 00:16:17,700 do you have to continue paying the entire year's lease? 372 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,367 Yeah. If you breach, if you breach a lease? 373 00:16:21,467 --> 00:16:23,500 He and she can evict you. 374 00:16:23,500 --> 00:16:26,033 And yes, you will be responsible for the remainder of the lease. 375 00:16:26,133 --> 00:16:28,667 Oh. I wasn't aware of that. Yes. 376 00:16:28,667 --> 00:16:30,800 You will be responsible for the remainder of the lease. 377 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,467 You have to understand, and your father has to understand, 378 00:16:33,467 --> 00:16:36,667 the reason that he was expelled is his fault. 379 00:16:36,667 --> 00:16:38,967 And the reason he was expelled 380 00:16:38,967 --> 00:16:41,000 had nothing to do with them. 381 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,166 It had to do with your father. 382 00:16:43,166 --> 00:16:46,033 Because you were put on notice 383 00:16:46,133 --> 00:16:48,333 that he was plagiarizing 384 00:16:48,333 --> 00:16:50,867 and cheating on tests. 385 00:16:53,700 --> 00:16:56,633 If what you're suggesting is the three times 386 00:16:56,633 --> 00:16:58,533 that your son was caught cheating 387 00:16:58,633 --> 00:17:00,200 were the only times he cheated, 388 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,033 you're deluding yourself. 389 00:17:02,033 --> 00:17:04,533 He got caught three times. 390 00:17:04,533 --> 00:17:07,533 Because if these were the only three times that he cheated, 391 00:17:07,533 --> 00:17:10,066 he is the unluckiest person on the planet. 392 00:17:22,233 --> 00:17:25,300 Robin Slagle has accused her customer, 393 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,533 {\an8}Jack Mkrtchyan, of refusing to pay tuition. 394 00:17:28,533 --> 00:17:31,400 Jack claims he is not required to pay 395 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,266 because his son was dismissed from her school. 396 00:17:34,367 --> 00:17:36,133 You were put on notice, 397 00:17:36,233 --> 00:17:38,700 and instead of being more vigilant, 398 00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:40,467 the conduct continued. 399 00:17:40,567 --> 00:17:41,700 He lives in your house. How old is he? 400 00:17:41,700 --> 00:17:43,867 Uh, 14. Fourteen. 401 00:17:43,867 --> 00:17:45,200 {\an8}Well... I want to ask about 402 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,967 {\an8}this plagiarizing thing, which it is, because remember, 403 00:17:49,066 --> 00:17:52,300 {\an8}beginning, you ask me, that he was plagiarized 404 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,433 {\an8}by teachers, which I was not... 405 00:17:54,533 --> 00:17:56,934 He was plagiarized by teachers? 406 00:17:57,033 --> 00:17:58,633 Like, he--he was given notice 407 00:17:58,734 --> 00:18:00,967 because he lied on a test by teacher, yeah? 408 00:18:00,967 --> 00:18:04,100 But it's not... it's not exactly what happened. 409 00:18:04,100 --> 00:18:06,000 Well, then you should've, just a second. 410 00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:08,000 Then you should've contested it, sir. 411 00:18:08,100 --> 00:18:09,834 Well, if... You should've contested it. 412 00:18:09,934 --> 00:18:12,867 If they decided they don't want him to be out of the-- out of the school, 413 00:18:12,967 --> 00:18:15,200 they don't want him to be there, what do you do, 414 00:18:15,300 --> 00:18:17,200 I mean, you go fight with them? - What do you do? What do you do? 415 00:18:17,300 --> 00:18:19,700 You pay the tuition for that semester, 416 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,667 because that's your contractual obligation, 417 00:18:21,767 --> 00:18:24,033 and you tell your son, "You better straighten up, 418 00:18:24,133 --> 00:18:26,266 and if I have to take you to a psychiatrist, 419 00:18:26,266 --> 00:18:27,934 if I have to take you to a therapist, 420 00:18:27,934 --> 00:18:31,433 if I have to find a more rigid school environment, 421 00:18:31,433 --> 00:18:32,433 I'm gonna do that." 422 00:18:32,433 --> 00:18:34,767 Well, he didn't cheat, but... 423 00:18:34,767 --> 00:18:36,867 You really have to get this through your head. 424 00:18:36,967 --> 00:18:39,867 When it says cheating, last time he was expelled from school, 425 00:18:39,967 --> 00:18:41,533 do we have a... No, don't look at her. 426 00:18:41,633 --> 00:18:46,433 That day he had an excellent score on his Math, and his last test 427 00:18:46,433 --> 00:18:51,033 {\an8}was the-- his History, and he forgot to learn the History, 428 00:18:51,133 --> 00:18:53,367 {\an8}and he did have a paper with him, 429 00:18:53,467 --> 00:18:54,333 {\an8}but he did not cheat. 430 00:18:54,433 --> 00:18:56,500 {\an8}Actually, there is no proof he cheated that day. 431 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,266 All right. They're not in the business of expelling children, 432 00:18:59,266 --> 00:19:01,700 they're in the business of keeping children in school. 433 00:19:01,700 --> 00:19:05,100 How many of the students were expelled from the school 434 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,600 the semester that this defendant's son was expelled? 435 00:19:08,700 --> 00:19:10,000 - Zero. - Yeah. 436 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,533 They're in business of keeping children in school. 437 00:19:13,533 --> 00:19:16,533 Guess my son was that bad for her to expel her. 438 00:19:16,533 --> 00:19:19,767 She said they didn't expel any other children. 439 00:19:19,867 --> 00:19:23,233 I'm gonna ask her, how many children were enrolled in the program 440 00:19:23,333 --> 00:19:26,367 at the same time the defendant's son was enrolled in the program? 441 00:19:26,367 --> 00:19:28,600 Approximately 70, 75. 442 00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:30,934 OK, and of the 70 to 75 students, 443 00:19:31,033 --> 00:19:33,867 the only student expelled was the defendant's son? 444 00:19:33,867 --> 00:19:35,333 Yes, ma'am. That should tell you 445 00:19:35,333 --> 00:19:37,767 something, sir. Stop making excuses. 446 00:19:37,867 --> 00:19:40,000 OK. - I didn't-- he didn't look at the paper, 447 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,900 he had it underneath him, but he didn't look at it. 448 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,600 Well, plagiarizing, so he copied from somebody, 449 00:19:45,700 --> 00:19:48,600 on a paper that was supposed to be original work. 450 00:19:48,700 --> 00:19:50,700 Did it once, he did it twice... 451 00:19:50,700 --> 00:19:52,667 Do you understand your son has a problem? 452 00:19:52,667 --> 00:19:55,500 Well, we all have problems. 453 00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:57,100 No, I never had a problem being expelled from school, 454 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,834 I'm not perfect. - sir, for cheating. 455 00:19:58,834 --> 00:20:01,834 I never had a problem being expelled from school for cheating. 456 00:20:01,834 --> 00:20:03,667 - I have lied. - I have five children 457 00:20:03,667 --> 00:20:05,266 and 13 grandchildren. 458 00:20:05,367 --> 00:20:07,367 All have completed college. 459 00:20:07,367 --> 00:20:09,500 Some professional school. 460 00:20:09,500 --> 00:20:11,500 None of them have ever been expelled for cheating. 461 00:20:11,500 --> 00:20:13,333 That's a lot of people. 462 00:20:13,333 --> 00:20:16,767 Do you feel it's fair to expel a child from school because of... 463 00:20:16,867 --> 00:20:18,000 Cheating? Cheating? 464 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,500 Absolutely! 465 00:20:19,500 --> 00:20:22,000 Not that I usually let people ask me questions, 466 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,567 but the answer is, absolutely. 467 00:20:24,667 --> 00:20:27,667 Because if 70 children are working hard 468 00:20:27,667 --> 00:20:30,500 to get good grades and studying, 469 00:20:30,500 --> 00:20:33,333 and creating original works 470 00:20:33,333 --> 00:20:35,166 when they're supposed to create original works, 471 00:20:35,166 --> 00:20:39,066 and your son, who's getting a 99 on a Math test, 472 00:20:39,166 --> 00:20:41,834 when he's been getting low scores on tests, all of a sudden 473 00:20:41,834 --> 00:20:44,567 becomes a shining star one day, 474 00:20:44,667 --> 00:20:48,700 and it's a pattern, and then they find another cheat sheet 475 00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:52,266 under his bottom, that's something that suggests 476 00:20:52,367 --> 00:20:55,700 to the other 70 students that are trying to do the right thing, 477 00:20:55,700 --> 00:20:57,500 then it's OK to cheat, 478 00:20:57,500 --> 00:21:00,467 and so, if you want to cheat on this test 479 00:21:00,567 --> 00:21:02,900 to get a 99, it's OK. 480 00:21:02,900 --> 00:21:06,166 You can't run a school where you permit kids 481 00:21:06,266 --> 00:21:10,567 to mingle with kids who are trying, with kids who are cheating. 482 00:21:10,567 --> 00:21:13,166 So, do I think it's fair? Absolutely. 483 00:21:13,266 --> 00:21:16,500 OK. How much money was reversed by this bank? 484 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,266 $1,050, plus $45, 485 00:21:20,266 --> 00:21:22,667 a $15 fee per transaction. 486 00:21:22,767 --> 00:21:24,633 $1,095. 487 00:21:24,734 --> 00:21:28,633 OK, judgment for the plaintiff in the amount of $1,095. 488 00:21:28,734 --> 00:21:31,166 Sir, your problem is not with the plaintiff. 489 00:21:31,266 --> 00:21:33,266 Your problem's with your son. 490 00:21:33,266 --> 00:21:35,900 He--he's like all of us, he made a mistake, and... 491 00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:37,100 No, he didn't make one mistake. 492 00:21:37,100 --> 00:21:40,066 I'm gonna tell you something. Honestly. 493 00:21:40,066 --> 00:21:43,800 I used to say, when I was practicing in a different court, 494 00:21:43,900 --> 00:21:45,900 that if criminals got caught 495 00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:48,834 the first time or every time that they committed a crime, 496 00:21:48,934 --> 00:21:50,734 they'd stop committing crimes. 497 00:21:50,734 --> 00:21:55,133 The problem is, they commit a crime, and they don't get caught. 498 00:21:55,233 --> 00:21:57,567 And then commit another crime, and they don't get caught. 499 00:21:57,567 --> 00:22:00,233 Then, they commit the third crime, and they get caught, 500 00:22:00,333 --> 00:22:01,200 and they're brought to court. 501 00:22:01,300 --> 00:22:05,367 And their lawyer argues, this is their first arrest. 502 00:22:05,467 --> 00:22:08,667 Not their first crime, 'cause they can't argue that, 503 00:22:08,667 --> 00:22:09,800 but it's the first arrest. 504 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,333 So, if what you're suggesting 505 00:22:12,333 --> 00:22:15,467 is, the three times that your son was caught cheating 506 00:22:15,467 --> 00:22:17,333 were the only times he cheated, 507 00:22:17,333 --> 00:22:19,467 you're deluding yourself. 508 00:22:19,467 --> 00:22:21,533 He got caught three times. 509 00:22:21,633 --> 00:22:23,834 Because if these were the only three times 510 00:22:23,834 --> 00:22:26,500 that he cheated, he is the unluckiest person 511 00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:27,834 on the planet. 512 00:22:27,834 --> 00:22:28,800 OK, we're done here. 513 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,000 Ten ninety-five, judgment for the plaintiff. 514 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,700 Thank you, Your Honor. This court is adjourned. 515 00:22:33,900 --> 00:22:36,533 {\an8}I felt, uh, the difference was between, um, 516 00:22:36,633 --> 00:22:40,333 {\an8}uh, different wording, what it means, 517 00:22:40,333 --> 00:22:43,900 {\an8}as far as being expelled versus being, like, sent home. 518 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,367 {\an8}I'm extremely pleased. 519 00:22:45,467 --> 00:22:48,467 {\an8}This was totally a matter of honesty and integrity, 520 00:22:48,467 --> 00:22:51,367 {\an8}and obviously, it, uh, stems from 521 00:22:51,467 --> 00:22:53,166 {\an8}the father down to the son. 522 00:22:53,166 --> 00:22:55,967 {\an8}But he explained that's the same word, and again, 523 00:22:55,967 --> 00:22:58,166 {\an8}um, that's why you come to court, 524 00:22:58,166 --> 00:23:01,066 {\an8}and she did what she had to do. 525 00:23:01,066 --> 00:23:03,600 {\an8}We have kids that try to cross the line, 526 00:23:03,700 --> 00:23:05,033 {\an8}and come close to that line, 527 00:23:05,033 --> 00:23:07,934 {\an8}but as I mentioned, our instructors are pretty savvy, and they're on it, 528 00:23:08,033 --> 00:23:10,033 {\an8}and we can tell, pretty much, so... 529 00:23:10,033 --> 00:23:13,100 {\an8}I am happy it's finally done. It's been a burden, it's been a stress, 530 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,934 {\an8}and, uh, and, uh, hopefully, done. 531 00:23:16,033 --> 00:23:17,700 {\an8}Cheaters never win. 532 00:23:19,533 --> 00:23:22,266 So, I think it's really important for the plaintiffs, 533 00:23:22,367 --> 00:23:24,934 as the runners of a homeschooling system, 534 00:23:25,033 --> 00:23:26,533 or a schooling system, 535 00:23:26,533 --> 00:23:28,734 to have a better contract for the parents 536 00:23:28,734 --> 00:23:31,266 that are signing, especially with a payment plan option. 537 00:23:31,367 --> 00:23:34,633 There should be exhibits attached to the signature page, 538 00:23:34,734 --> 00:23:38,900 not just referencing, "Oh, we're agreeing that we read the policy from the website." 539 00:23:38,900 --> 00:23:40,967 It's just as easy for you to reprint it, 540 00:23:41,066 --> 00:23:43,734 attach it, and require a signature, an initial 541 00:23:43,734 --> 00:23:46,300 on the bottom, so that you don't have parents like these, 542 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,767 that say, "I never went to the website, I never saw it." 543 00:23:48,867 --> 00:23:50,533 - I agree with you. - If you have problems like this, 544 00:23:50,533 --> 00:23:53,900 there's no denying the fact that you initialed each page and each policy. 545 00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:55,867 I think that this is a learning experience, 546 00:23:55,867 --> 00:23:58,767 because they just started the program in 2020. 547 00:23:58,867 --> 00:24:02,500 And this is probably the first experience that they've had, 548 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,266 because he's the first, they haven't expelled anybody else. 549 00:24:05,266 --> 00:24:07,033 But they'll clean up the contract. 550 00:24:07,133 --> 00:24:08,133 For sure. 551 00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:10,967 Want justice? 552 00:24:10,967 --> 00:24:13,367 {\an8}Go to JudyJustice.tv.