1 00:00:00,367 --> 00:00:02,400 You met online? 2 00:00:02,667 --> 00:00:03,567 Yes. 3 00:00:03,567 --> 00:00:05,467 And that's when you asked her for money? 4 00:00:05,734 --> 00:00:06,867 I didn't borrow it. 5 00:00:06,967 --> 00:00:07,967 Show me! 6 00:00:07,967 --> 00:00:12,500 Uh, because she offered to help me so I kind of got comfortable to ask. 7 00:00:12,500 --> 00:00:14,300 "Got comfortable to ask"? 8 00:00:14,300 --> 00:00:16,166 I don't give a rat's behind. 9 00:00:16,166 --> 00:00:18,734 [narrator] This is Judy Justice. 10 00:00:18,834 --> 00:00:22,066 {\an8}♪ 11 00:00:34,967 --> 00:00:39,700 {\an8}[narrator] Joy Peterson is suing her ex-boyfriend James Stewart 12 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,300 {\an8}for travel costs and a loan. 13 00:00:42,300 --> 00:00:44,333 [bailiff] Court come to order. All rise. 14 00:00:45,734 --> 00:00:46,667 Have a seat please. 15 00:00:48,967 --> 00:00:49,967 {\an8}Hello, Judge. 16 00:00:49,967 --> 00:00:52,400 {\an8}Case 2102. Peterson versus Stewart. 17 00:00:52,500 --> 00:00:53,667 {\an8}- Thank you. - You're welcome. 18 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,667 [Judy] Mrs. Peterson, you and Mr. Stewart met online? 19 00:00:59,667 --> 00:01:00,934 Yes. 20 00:01:01,033 --> 00:01:05,133 You met Mr. Stewart and according to your complaint, a romance developed 21 00:01:05,233 --> 00:01:09,133 and there are two things that you believe now 22 00:01:09,233 --> 00:01:10,767 that the romance is over that he owes you. 23 00:01:10,867 --> 00:01:14,100 One of them is a loan that you made to him for a $1,000. 24 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,934 {\an8}Now Mr. Stewart does not deny that you gave him a $1,000. Correct? 25 00:01:19,033 --> 00:01:19,900 {\an8}No, ma'am. 26 00:01:19,900 --> 00:01:21,567 Your defense is that it was a gift. 27 00:01:21,567 --> 00:01:23,934 - Correct. - [Judy] And not made as a loan. 28 00:01:24,033 --> 00:01:25,233 OK. 29 00:01:25,233 --> 00:01:29,934 On what date did you and Ms. Peterson start to date? 30 00:01:30,033 --> 00:01:31,100 Uh... we never dated. 31 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,266 We actually wasn't-- through no dating site. 32 00:01:33,367 --> 00:01:35,734 Just uh, somehow coincidence we came through. 33 00:01:35,734 --> 00:01:36,934 Did you see her? 34 00:01:37,033 --> 00:01:38,233 I met her once in person. 35 00:01:38,233 --> 00:01:39,300 [Judy] When? 36 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,567 When she paid for a hotel for my birthday. 37 00:01:41,567 --> 00:01:42,800 Give me the date. 38 00:01:42,900 --> 00:01:44,066 [James] January 30th. 39 00:01:44,066 --> 00:01:46,033 - [Judy] Of this year? - Yes, ma'am. 40 00:01:46,033 --> 00:01:49,533 So you met for the first time in January of 2022. 41 00:01:49,533 --> 00:01:51,400 Tell me about the $1,000. 42 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,033 If you're playing with your papers you're not gonna hear where we're going. 43 00:01:54,033 --> 00:01:56,633 {\an8}- OK. - The $1,000 at that time I was-- 44 00:01:56,734 --> 00:01:58,700 {\an8}I was-- been struggling with heart disease, 45 00:01:58,700 --> 00:02:02,367 {\an8}which I--I just got out the hospital for having a heart surgery last Friday. 46 00:02:02,467 --> 00:02:05,800 So financially my dealership was a little bit under the burden, 47 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,300 so I asked her if she would help me. 48 00:02:07,300 --> 00:02:09,767 And when did you ask her? Was that in January? 49 00:02:09,767 --> 00:02:11,667 No ma'am, that--that's a couple months later. 50 00:02:11,767 --> 00:02:13,533 [Judy] All right, so that would be in March? 51 00:02:13,633 --> 00:02:14,934 - Yeah. - And the only time 52 00:02:14,934 --> 00:02:16,767 that you ever met her was in January? 53 00:02:16,767 --> 00:02:20,300 I met her once. Other than that, when she gave me the money. 54 00:02:20,300 --> 00:02:24,033 Other than that it was just normally her texting me, "How you doing? 55 00:02:24,133 --> 00:02:25,266 Do you want to meet up?" 56 00:02:25,266 --> 00:02:26,500 - [Judy] OK. - Et cetera. 57 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,133 - [Judy] So you met personally twice? - [James] Correct. 58 00:02:29,133 --> 00:02:32,967 And after January, you didn't see each other personally just by messages. 59 00:02:32,967 --> 00:02:35,266 And that's when you asked her for money 60 00:02:35,266 --> 00:02:38,767 and you were gonna tell me why in March you asked her for money. 61 00:02:38,767 --> 00:02:41,700 I understand that you just recently came out of the hospital, 62 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,166 and while I'm happy to see you looking well and healthy 63 00:02:44,266 --> 00:02:46,266 it's really irrelevant to this case. 64 00:02:46,266 --> 00:02:47,200 - Yes, ma'am. - [Judy] OK. 65 00:02:47,300 --> 00:02:49,767 So why did you ask her for a $1,000? 66 00:02:49,767 --> 00:02:51,467 Because she offered to help me. 67 00:02:51,467 --> 00:02:53,500 No, no, no. Nobody offers to help you 68 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,033 unless they know that you need help. 69 00:02:55,133 --> 00:02:56,033 Well, it's in writing. 70 00:02:56,133 --> 00:02:58,800 [Judy] No. Nobody offers to help you unless... 71 00:02:58,800 --> 00:02:59,767 Yes, ma'am. 72 00:02:59,767 --> 00:03:01,867 ...you let them know that you need help. 73 00:03:01,867 --> 00:03:05,000 {\an8}I was kind of life-coaching her. We both was going back and forth. 74 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,567 We had an open line of communication so I kind of got comfortable to ask. 75 00:03:09,667 --> 00:03:11,734 - So I see what you're saying. -"Got comfortable to ask"? 76 00:03:11,834 --> 00:03:13,934 She already gave me money before that $1,000. 77 00:03:14,033 --> 00:03:15,100 That's why I was comfortable. 78 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,266 Just a second. I'm talking about the loan. 79 00:03:17,367 --> 00:03:18,367 Mm-hmm. 80 00:03:18,367 --> 00:03:19,667 [Judy] I want you to tell me, 81 00:03:19,667 --> 00:03:21,767 since you acknowledged that she gave you the money. 82 00:03:21,867 --> 00:03:23,567 Tell me why you needed it. 83 00:03:23,667 --> 00:03:26,767 Well, I needed it because I paid for the trip, 84 00:03:26,867 --> 00:03:30,066 which was $2,180 which she gave me $2,000. 85 00:03:30,166 --> 00:03:32,834 Plus $160 more for luggage. 86 00:03:32,834 --> 00:03:34,700 Came to just shy of $2,400. 87 00:03:34,700 --> 00:03:36,867 I don't understand what you're talking about. 88 00:03:36,867 --> 00:03:39,667 Well, she's already came to me and gave me money 89 00:03:39,667 --> 00:03:41,333 for us to take this little trip together. 90 00:03:41,333 --> 00:03:43,533 What does that have to do with this $1,000? 91 00:03:43,533 --> 00:03:44,834 That's not what I'm talking about. Are you-- 92 00:03:44,834 --> 00:03:47,066 Because she was supposed to come and reimburse some of the money. 93 00:03:47,166 --> 00:03:48,700 'cause I paid already into the trip. 94 00:03:48,700 --> 00:03:50,867 So I was asking her for money. 95 00:03:50,867 --> 00:03:52,233 Am I crazy? 96 00:03:52,333 --> 00:03:55,600 Did he start to talk about his business needing money? 97 00:03:55,700 --> 00:03:57,367 He has a used car business. 98 00:03:57,367 --> 00:03:59,166 - Yes. - [Judy] Really? 99 00:03:59,166 --> 00:04:02,266 Before you come on a program like this you should really watch 100 00:04:02,266 --> 00:04:05,333 so that you would know that one of my favorite sayings is, 101 00:04:05,433 --> 00:04:07,567 "If you tell the truth you don't have to have a good memory 102 00:04:07,567 --> 00:04:10,000 - especially if you're smart." - Mm-hmm. 103 00:04:10,100 --> 00:04:11,800 Now, if you're not so smart, 104 00:04:11,900 --> 00:04:15,900 [chuckles] within three minutes you tell two different stories. 105 00:04:15,900 --> 00:04:19,767 That, Mr. Stewart, is a phrase that you should learn to live by. 106 00:04:19,767 --> 00:04:22,600 If you tell the truth you don't need a good memory. 107 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:23,967 That's not correct, Your Honor. 108 00:04:24,066 --> 00:04:27,166 Well, that's only because you wouldn't know the truth 109 00:04:27,266 --> 00:04:29,900 because you have had been introduced to the truth. 110 00:04:29,900 --> 00:04:32,667 He says, "The $1,000 at that time, 111 00:04:32,767 --> 00:04:35,600 I was struggling with heart disease which I just got out of the hospital 112 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,433 for having a heart surgery last Friday. 113 00:04:37,433 --> 00:04:40,266 So actually my dealership is a little bit under the burden. 114 00:04:40,266 --> 00:04:42,266 - So I asked her if she would help me." - [Judy] That's right. 115 00:04:42,266 --> 00:04:43,467 So you remember saying that? 116 00:04:43,567 --> 00:04:44,567 - [James] Yes, ma'am. - OK. 117 00:04:44,567 --> 00:04:47,000 so that's different from, "She was paying me back." 118 00:04:47,100 --> 00:04:48,734 You just have to acknowledge that's different. 119 00:04:48,734 --> 00:04:49,667 Yes, ma'am. 120 00:04:49,767 --> 00:04:53,433 OK. And let me tell you what you swore to in your answer. 121 00:04:53,433 --> 00:04:57,233 {\an8}"She offered to help me catch up on my child support." 122 00:04:57,233 --> 00:04:58,633 On a phone conversation. Yes. 123 00:04:58,734 --> 00:05:01,166 I just asked you one simple question, sir. 124 00:05:01,166 --> 00:05:03,800 You acknowledge she gave you a $1,000. 125 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,467 What was it for? 126 00:05:05,467 --> 00:05:06,867 So now I have three reasons. 127 00:05:06,967 --> 00:05:09,467 One, your car dealership was a little bit of a burden. 128 00:05:09,467 --> 00:05:12,500 {\an8}Two, she was returning your money to you, 129 00:05:12,500 --> 00:05:15,734 and three, you were catching up on your child support. 130 00:05:15,834 --> 00:05:19,000 Those are the three things that I have in front of me. 131 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Yes, ma'am. 132 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,400 Is it door number one, door number two or door number three? 133 00:05:23,500 --> 00:05:24,800 Whichever one you would like, ma'am. 134 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,467 So, so far it's a $1,000 for the Plaintiff. 135 00:05:28,467 --> 00:05:30,667 Now whether it was for school 136 00:05:30,667 --> 00:05:33,066 or whether it was for your children's support 137 00:05:33,166 --> 00:05:35,500 she's not responsible for your children's support. 138 00:05:35,500 --> 00:05:37,400 You are responsible for your children's support. 139 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:39,533 - Have you ever met his children? - No. 140 00:05:39,633 --> 00:05:41,500 [Judy] She doesn't even know your children? 141 00:05:41,500 --> 00:05:44,500 - No. - Do you have a child support order? 142 00:05:44,500 --> 00:05:46,166 No. She asked me to marry her. 143 00:05:46,166 --> 00:05:48,233 Just a sec-- I asked you a question. 144 00:05:48,333 --> 00:05:49,633 - You're not her. - [James] Yes, ma'am. 145 00:05:49,633 --> 00:05:51,400 Do you have children? The answer is...? 146 00:05:51,500 --> 00:05:52,367 - Yes. I have children. - [Judy] Yes. 147 00:05:52,467 --> 00:05:53,567 - Yes, ma'am. - [Judy] Yes. 148 00:05:53,667 --> 00:05:56,133 ♪ 149 00:05:56,133 --> 00:05:57,500 This is not a dance. 150 00:05:57,500 --> 00:05:58,867 - No. I'm just saying-- - This is not a dance. 151 00:05:58,967 --> 00:05:59,834 Yes, ma'am. 152 00:05:59,834 --> 00:06:01,867 [Judy] You lead. I lead. You lead. I always lead. 153 00:06:01,867 --> 00:06:03,567 - Yes, ma'am. - [narrator] Later... 154 00:06:03,567 --> 00:06:05,233 [Judy] You had some trouble with your finances 155 00:06:05,233 --> 00:06:07,967 and you had serious debt. 156 00:06:08,066 --> 00:06:09,367 What kind of work do you do? 157 00:06:09,367 --> 00:06:11,133 I am a credit collections agent. 158 00:06:11,233 --> 00:06:13,767 Not a good thing when you're a credit collections agent. 159 00:06:13,867 --> 00:06:15,266 [laughs] 160 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,600 {\an8}♪ 161 00:06:25,266 --> 00:06:29,400 {\an8}[narrator] Joy Peterson claims her ex-boyfriend James Stewart 162 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,300 owes for travel costs and loan. 163 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,900 Now the children do not live with you. 164 00:06:34,900 --> 00:06:36,900 They're above age. Yes, ma'am. 165 00:06:36,900 --> 00:06:40,367 When you swore in your answer that you had gotten behind 166 00:06:40,367 --> 00:06:43,567 in your child support order, what child support order was that? 167 00:06:43,567 --> 00:06:46,934 {\an8}It's the last child 'cause I got behind 'cause I was out of work. 168 00:06:47,033 --> 00:06:48,734 So they're above age 169 00:06:48,734 --> 00:06:50,200 {\an8}but I owe a little arrears. 170 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:54,233 {\an8}OK. So that's the child support that you were behind. 171 00:06:54,233 --> 00:06:56,934 {\an8}Had you been noticed to come to court on those arrears? 172 00:06:57,033 --> 00:06:58,734 I've never been in a contempt. No, ma'am. 173 00:06:58,734 --> 00:07:00,533 I've always kept a good standings with 'em. 174 00:07:00,633 --> 00:07:02,934 - [Judy] OK, but you're behind now? - Yes, ma'am. 175 00:07:02,934 --> 00:07:04,433 [Judy] You were behind then in March? 176 00:07:04,433 --> 00:07:05,834 - Yes, ma'am. - OK. 177 00:07:05,934 --> 00:07:08,300 And you knew you were behind because...? 178 00:07:08,300 --> 00:07:11,767 I was on bedrest for five months due to a knee surgery 179 00:07:11,767 --> 00:07:13,266 - and some heart issues. - [Judy] OK. 180 00:07:13,266 --> 00:07:16,934 Did you request that your child support order 181 00:07:16,934 --> 00:07:20,934 that was on arrears only be stayed while you weren't working? 182 00:07:20,934 --> 00:07:24,433 I got a new case worker wasn't willing to work with me at that time so... 183 00:07:24,433 --> 00:07:25,934 [Judy] OK, so there was difficult-- 184 00:07:25,934 --> 00:07:28,433 Your caseworker was involved in this child support order? 185 00:07:28,433 --> 00:07:30,600 - [James] Yes. - Uh... that sounds better. 186 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,200 And the child support order was in favor of the State? 187 00:07:34,300 --> 00:07:36,033 I don't owe the State no money. 188 00:07:36,133 --> 00:07:37,500 I paid all fees off with them. 189 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:38,800 I just owed the back child support 190 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,700 To the mother of the children? 191 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,934 - Yes. - [Judy] OK. $1,000. 192 00:07:42,934 --> 00:07:44,767 {\an8}Now I'm gonna come to you. 193 00:07:44,767 --> 00:07:47,300 {\an8}According to you, you gave the defendant 194 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:50,834 $2,000 to buy travel tickets for you? 195 00:07:50,934 --> 00:07:51,834 Yes, Your Honor. 196 00:07:51,934 --> 00:07:52,934 When? 197 00:07:52,934 --> 00:07:53,967 [Joy] I gave him money in March. 198 00:07:53,967 --> 00:07:56,667 At the same time that you gave him the $1,000? 199 00:07:56,767 --> 00:07:57,834 No, ma'am. 200 00:07:57,934 --> 00:08:01,100 That--that was in April. 201 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:02,367 Show me proof of that. 202 00:08:02,367 --> 00:08:05,533 And I wanna see $2,000 taken off from someplace 203 00:08:05,533 --> 00:08:07,533 for him to pay for these tickets. 204 00:08:07,533 --> 00:08:11,066 And they were tickets for you to go from where you live, which is where? 205 00:08:11,500 --> 00:08:12,533 Springfield, Ohio. 206 00:08:12,533 --> 00:08:13,900 To Miami? 207 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:14,867 [Joy] Yes, ma'am. 208 00:08:14,867 --> 00:08:16,767 [Judy] The $2,000 was in March. 209 00:08:16,867 --> 00:08:17,934 What were you gonna do in March? 210 00:08:18,033 --> 00:08:21,667 In March, I gave him the $2,000 of purchased tickets. 211 00:08:21,667 --> 00:08:25,667 'Cause I asked him, "Can you get discounts for us to go to Miami?" 212 00:08:25,667 --> 00:08:27,367 'Cause I was gonna have surgery. 213 00:08:27,367 --> 00:08:29,767 So he told me, "Yes, sure." 214 00:08:29,867 --> 00:08:33,367 So I gave him the $2,000 for that. 215 00:08:33,367 --> 00:08:34,433 That's not true. 216 00:08:34,533 --> 00:08:36,333 Then he said, "Well, that's gonna be more than that." 217 00:08:36,333 --> 00:08:38,734 I said, "Well, that's all I have for the tickets 218 00:08:38,834 --> 00:08:40,200 for me and my daughters. 219 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:41,567 He said he wanted to go. 220 00:08:41,667 --> 00:08:43,033 So he was planning on going. 221 00:08:43,033 --> 00:08:44,200 [Judy] Mr. Stewart? 222 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:45,200 Yes, ma'am. 223 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,533 [Judy] On what date did she give you the $2,000 to buy the tickets? 224 00:08:49,533 --> 00:08:51,033 It was early March. 225 00:08:51,033 --> 00:08:54,433 - She contin-- - Yeah, March-- looks like March 25th. 226 00:08:54,533 --> 00:08:56,400 - She gave you $2,000? - [James] Yes. 227 00:08:56,500 --> 00:08:58,033 [Judy] And when were you supposed to go to Miami? 228 00:08:58,033 --> 00:08:59,867 We--we were supposed to go July 4th and she gave-- 229 00:08:59,867 --> 00:09:02,266 OK. Just a sec. You're supposed to go in July. 230 00:09:02,266 --> 00:09:04,767 {\an8}So you're talking about four months later? 231 00:09:04,767 --> 00:09:06,567 {\an8}Yeah, she canceled a trip. 232 00:09:06,567 --> 00:09:08,266 [Judy] Oh... OK. When did she cancel the trip? 233 00:09:08,266 --> 00:09:11,834 Uh, she canceled a trip about a month later. 234 00:09:11,934 --> 00:09:13,834 So she canceled trip in April? 235 00:09:13,934 --> 00:09:16,934 Yeah. And it was a third party. So it's non-refundable. 236 00:09:16,934 --> 00:09:18,433 I don't know that at all. 237 00:09:18,433 --> 00:09:19,734 - [James] Yes, ma'am. - Now just a second. 238 00:09:19,734 --> 00:09:21,266 So you're gonna have to show me. 239 00:09:21,266 --> 00:09:22,600 I didn't borrow it. 240 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,100 You borrowed the $1,000. I didn't say you borrowed this $2,000. 241 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:28,600 She gave you money for a specific purpose. 242 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,166 - Right? She went-- - Don't speak. 243 00:09:30,266 --> 00:09:32,567 She gave you money for a specific purpose 244 00:09:32,567 --> 00:09:35,000 to purchase airline tickets. 245 00:09:35,100 --> 00:09:35,967 For us. 246 00:09:36,066 --> 00:09:39,266 Which you-- I don't give a rat's behind for who. 247 00:09:39,266 --> 00:09:41,734 She gave you money to purchase... 248 00:09:41,734 --> 00:09:43,433 - As I did - ...airline tickets. 249 00:09:43,433 --> 00:09:45,467 - As I did. - This is not a dance. 250 00:09:45,567 --> 00:09:47,734 - No I'm just saying-- - This is not you lead. I lead you. 251 00:09:47,734 --> 00:09:49,166 You lea-- I always lead. 252 00:09:49,266 --> 00:09:50,667 Yes, ma'am. Absolutely. 253 00:09:50,767 --> 00:09:52,266 - [Judy] I always lead. - [James] Yes, ma'am. 254 00:09:52,266 --> 00:09:56,333 She gave you $2,000 to buy tickets 255 00:09:56,433 --> 00:09:58,066 that you acknowledge. 256 00:09:58,066 --> 00:10:00,066 The trip was canceled 257 00:10:00,066 --> 00:10:02,300 three months before the trip. 258 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,767 Now you say they were non-refundable tickets. 259 00:10:05,767 --> 00:10:06,734 Yes, ma'am. 260 00:10:06,734 --> 00:10:07,800 Show me! 261 00:10:09,500 --> 00:10:11,667 - [James mumbles] - [Judy] I just wanna see 262 00:10:11,767 --> 00:10:15,133 where you tried to get either a refund or a credit. 263 00:10:15,233 --> 00:10:16,667 - Three months-- Ah! - There's proof that I-- 264 00:10:16,767 --> 00:10:18,600 Don't... speak! 265 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,500 - You... - Mm-hmm. 266 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,100 ...have to show me. 267 00:10:22,100 --> 00:10:26,133 Because you just said the tickets were non-refundable tickets 268 00:10:26,233 --> 00:10:30,066 and "I couldn't either get money back for them when she canceled it 269 00:10:30,066 --> 00:10:31,433 or a credit." 270 00:10:31,433 --> 00:10:34,934 And I said in all that paperwork, show me. 271 00:10:34,934 --> 00:10:36,934 It's just public knowledge on their website. 272 00:10:36,934 --> 00:10:38,400 I apologize. I do not have it. 273 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,266 [Judy] It's not public knowledge on any website. 274 00:10:40,266 --> 00:10:42,734 Judgment for the Plaintiff in the amount of $3,000. 275 00:10:42,734 --> 00:10:45,333 $1,000 loan. $2,000 for the tickets. 276 00:10:45,433 --> 00:10:46,967 We are finished here. Thank you very much. 277 00:10:47,066 --> 00:10:48,000 - Well, Your Honor-- - [Judy] Out! 278 00:10:48,100 --> 00:10:49,166 - [bailiff] This court is adjourned. - Out! 279 00:10:49,734 --> 00:10:51,266 {\an8}She wanted to go on a vacation. 280 00:10:51,266 --> 00:10:52,433 {\an8}Taking advantage of me. 281 00:10:52,433 --> 00:10:54,100 {\an8}She was being a little aggressive. 282 00:10:54,100 --> 00:10:55,600 {\an8}Don't even look that way. [laughs] 283 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,967 {\an8}Now. Hopefully we could just move on with our lives. 284 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,233 I think we should print that on cards to hand out to people as they leave here. 285 00:11:03,333 --> 00:11:06,200 "If you tell the truth, you don't have to have a good memory." 286 00:11:06,300 --> 00:11:07,667 [laughs] Yeah. That was pretty funny. 287 00:11:07,667 --> 00:11:11,133 That defendant in the first 15 seconds told three different stories 288 00:11:11,133 --> 00:11:13,000 about the same $1,000. 289 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,834 Reminded me of a toddler when you ask if they had cookies 290 00:11:15,834 --> 00:11:17,633 and it's all over their mouth and they say, 291 00:11:17,633 --> 00:11:19,867 "No I didn't have chocolate, I didn't have candy." 292 00:11:19,967 --> 00:11:22,333 [laughs] 15 seconds. Three different stories. 293 00:11:22,333 --> 00:11:24,800 - So if you tell the truth-- - You don't need a good memory. 294 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:25,734 [Sarah] Not at all. 295 00:11:25,834 --> 00:11:28,066 Case 2158, Smith versus Crossley. 296 00:11:28,166 --> 00:11:29,533 All parties, please step forward. 297 00:11:29,633 --> 00:11:34,800 {\an8}[narrator] Justin Smith is suing his ex-girlfriend Jessica Crossley 298 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,500 for an unpaid loan. 299 00:11:36,500 --> 00:11:38,400 [Judy] Ms. Crossley, I'm gonna start with you. 300 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:42,467 You and Mr. Smith were in a romantic relationship for a period of time? 301 00:11:42,467 --> 00:11:43,834 - Yes. - [Judy] From when to when? 302 00:11:43,834 --> 00:11:46,166 I wanna say it was about a year before my son was born. 303 00:11:46,166 --> 00:11:49,467 My son was born February 11th, 2019 304 00:11:49,467 --> 00:11:51,834 and our relationship ended about... 305 00:11:51,834 --> 00:11:54,300 four or five months after he was born. 306 00:11:54,300 --> 00:11:56,800 And after you separated, according to what I read, 307 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,133 you sort of remained friends? 308 00:11:58,133 --> 00:11:59,467 - Yes. - [Judy] Great. 309 00:11:59,467 --> 00:12:01,467 You had some trouble with your finances 310 00:12:01,567 --> 00:12:04,567 and you had serious debt. 311 00:12:04,567 --> 00:12:05,900 What kind of work do you do? 312 00:12:05,900 --> 00:12:07,867 I am a credit collections agent. 313 00:12:07,867 --> 00:12:10,433 Not a good thing when you're a credit collections agent. 314 00:12:10,533 --> 00:12:12,734 And this was after you had already been separated 315 00:12:12,734 --> 00:12:15,734 for a long period of time and at some point 316 00:12:15,734 --> 00:12:16,967 what I'm piecing together is, 317 00:12:17,066 --> 00:12:20,800 {\an8}you discussed your financial circumstances with Mr. Smith. 318 00:12:20,900 --> 00:12:21,800 {\an8}Yes. 319 00:12:21,900 --> 00:12:25,767 And one of your options was to seek protection in bankruptcy. 320 00:12:25,867 --> 00:12:26,734 Correct. 321 00:12:26,734 --> 00:12:29,467 And Mr. Smith thought that that was a bad idea? 322 00:12:29,567 --> 00:12:30,433 Yes. 323 00:12:30,533 --> 00:12:34,934 So he suggested that you take out a loan, consolidate all this debt, 324 00:12:35,033 --> 00:12:39,300 which was on, I assume, on credit cards with very high interest. 325 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,934 {\an8}And since he had credit, he would take out the loan 326 00:12:43,033 --> 00:12:45,200 {\an8}and you would pay that loan off 327 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,867 which was manageable every month. 328 00:12:48,867 --> 00:12:50,867 Is that generally what this is about? 329 00:12:50,867 --> 00:12:51,800 - Yes. - [Judy] Yes. 330 00:12:51,900 --> 00:12:53,033 ♪ 331 00:12:54,467 --> 00:12:58,300 {\an8}His behavior had started getting irrational, scary. 332 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,266 {\an8}Started calling me a lot, 333 00:13:00,266 --> 00:13:02,500 {\an8}asking my whereabouts, texting me, 334 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,533 {\an8}driving by my house on several occasions I saw. 335 00:13:05,633 --> 00:13:08,200 {\an8}I'm still not understanding why you stopped paying on the loan. 336 00:13:08,300 --> 00:13:09,867 {\an8}♪ 337 00:13:13,867 --> 00:13:17,934 ♪ 338 00:13:20,033 --> 00:13:24,467 {\an8}[narrator] Justin Smith claims his ex-girlfriend Jessica Crossley 339 00:13:24,467 --> 00:13:27,000 owes for an unpaid loan. 340 00:13:27,100 --> 00:13:30,133 Mr. Smith did take out that loan. 341 00:13:30,133 --> 00:13:31,500 {\an8}Month and year? 342 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,633 {\an8}March of 2022, this year. 343 00:13:34,633 --> 00:13:39,333 [Judy] What were the payments each month starting in March or April? 344 00:13:39,433 --> 00:13:40,633 Principle and interest. 345 00:13:40,633 --> 00:13:42,767 He had told me that there was $500. 346 00:13:42,767 --> 00:13:44,467 [Judy] Told you they were $500. 347 00:13:44,467 --> 00:13:45,934 He took out that loan. 348 00:13:45,934 --> 00:13:50,533 And am I correct, Ms. Crossley, that you paid off your credit card debt? 349 00:13:50,633 --> 00:13:51,633 Yes. 350 00:13:51,633 --> 00:13:54,533 And you paid off your debt with the loan that he took out? 351 00:13:54,633 --> 00:13:55,500 {\an8}Yes. 352 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,700 {\an8}[Judy] And you did in fact create a situation 353 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,900 where the money because you were employed, 354 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,567 would come out directly from your bank account 355 00:14:03,667 --> 00:14:06,567 to go to pay off the loan to his bank account? 356 00:14:06,667 --> 00:14:07,533 Yes. 357 00:14:07,533 --> 00:14:08,900 [Judy] And you did that in what month? 358 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,934 That was started, I believe, at the end of April 359 00:14:12,033 --> 00:14:13,367 or beginning of May. 360 00:14:13,367 --> 00:14:15,433 And how many such payments did you make? 361 00:14:15,533 --> 00:14:19,166 Biweekly payments, I believe I made about six. 362 00:14:19,166 --> 00:14:22,567 Thereby acknowledging that this was a loan. 363 00:14:22,667 --> 00:14:25,867 At some point you stopped making the payments. 364 00:14:25,867 --> 00:14:28,700 What month did you stop making the payments? 365 00:14:28,700 --> 00:14:30,233 In July of this year. 366 00:14:30,333 --> 00:14:31,433 - [Judy] Why? - [Jessica] So... 367 00:14:31,533 --> 00:14:33,700 I had started seeing my current boyfriend. 368 00:14:33,700 --> 00:14:37,533 This is not a social show, just tell me why. 369 00:14:37,533 --> 00:14:40,066 So I had to take a day off of work 370 00:14:40,166 --> 00:14:42,200 to file for an Order of Protection. 371 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,567 Why did you have to take a day off from work 372 00:14:44,667 --> 00:14:45,700 to file for an Order of Protection? 373 00:14:45,700 --> 00:14:49,033 Because I was, uh, advised to by a police officer I spoke to. 374 00:14:49,033 --> 00:14:50,934 - OK. And I assume against him? - [Jessica] Yes. 375 00:14:51,033 --> 00:14:52,767 [Judy] OK. Give me the incident. 376 00:14:52,867 --> 00:14:56,200 OK. So in July when I started seeing my current boyfriend, 377 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,734 Justin had expressed that he wanted us 378 00:14:58,834 --> 00:15:00,600 to get back together 379 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,767 and I had told him no that was not going to happen. 380 00:15:04,767 --> 00:15:07,166 And then his behavior had started getting 381 00:15:07,266 --> 00:15:09,066 irrational, scary. 382 00:15:09,066 --> 00:15:12,166 started calling me a lot, asking my whereabouts, 383 00:15:12,266 --> 00:15:15,900 texting me, driving by my house on several occasions I saw. 384 00:15:15,900 --> 00:15:18,967 And then there was an incident on July 19th 385 00:15:19,066 --> 00:15:23,100 where I had allowed his mother to take my son to a play, 386 00:15:23,100 --> 00:15:25,767 um, and she was supposed to drop him off back to me. 387 00:15:25,767 --> 00:15:28,900 And instead of dropping him back off to me 388 00:15:28,900 --> 00:15:31,567 {\an8}she had dropped him off with his father at his work. 389 00:15:31,567 --> 00:15:35,667 And then I got a call from Justin yelling saying, "Where are you? 390 00:15:35,767 --> 00:15:37,066 What are you doing right now?" 391 00:15:37,066 --> 00:15:38,967 And I'm like, "Well, I'm on my way back home. 392 00:15:39,066 --> 00:15:40,233 Your mom's supposed to drop off Braden." 393 00:15:40,233 --> 00:15:42,333 He's like, "I have Braden, I'll meet you at your house." 394 00:15:42,433 --> 00:15:43,600 So I said OK. 395 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:48,133 {\an8}We got to outside my house and then he pulled up next to me 396 00:15:48,233 --> 00:15:49,734 {\an8}and then started screaming out of the car like, 397 00:15:49,734 --> 00:15:51,100 "Where were you? What were you doing?" 398 00:15:51,100 --> 00:15:54,233 I was like, "I was spending time with Anthony, my boyfriend." 399 00:15:54,233 --> 00:15:55,333 And he's like, 400 00:15:55,433 --> 00:15:59,066 "I'm taking Braden, I'm not gonna give him back to you. 401 00:15:59,066 --> 00:16:01,233 And my son's crying in the backseat. 402 00:16:01,333 --> 00:16:04,000 And I said, "No, you came back to me. It is my day to have him." 403 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,667 And he drove away. 404 00:16:05,667 --> 00:16:09,166 He later called me and said I can meet them at Dairy Queen. 405 00:16:09,166 --> 00:16:10,800 So I met them there. 406 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,800 I got out of the car, I went up to my son 407 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,066 and as I was getting him in the car, Justin had walked up to my car 408 00:16:16,166 --> 00:16:18,500 and started yelling and swearing at me. 409 00:16:18,500 --> 00:16:22,467 {\an8}And as me and my son started driving off he threw a milkshake at my car 410 00:16:22,467 --> 00:16:25,033 {\an8}which scared me and my son very much. 411 00:16:25,133 --> 00:16:26,000 [Judy] OK, good. 412 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,367 And you filed for an Order of Protection you had a trial 413 00:16:28,467 --> 00:16:29,867 - on the Order of Protection? - Yes. 414 00:16:29,967 --> 00:16:32,066 [Judy] And the judge dismissed your Order of Protection? 415 00:16:32,166 --> 00:16:33,667 - Yes. - [Judy] After the trial? 416 00:16:33,667 --> 00:16:34,700 - Yes, ma'am. - OK. 417 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,133 I'm still not understanding why you stopped paying on the loan. 418 00:16:37,133 --> 00:16:39,700 So when I had lost my job... 419 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,133 You lost your job when? 420 00:16:41,133 --> 00:16:43,700 The next day. The incident happened on the 19th 421 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,667 I had to take the 20th off to file for the Order of Protection. 422 00:16:46,667 --> 00:16:48,567 The 21st, I was let go. 423 00:16:48,667 --> 00:16:50,567 Oh, that had nothing to do with you being let go. 424 00:16:50,667 --> 00:16:53,533 Nothing. I just wanna know why you stopped paying on the loan. 425 00:16:53,633 --> 00:16:55,633 You stopped paying on the loan because you lost your job. 426 00:16:55,633 --> 00:16:56,734 Are you working now? 427 00:16:56,834 --> 00:16:58,467 Yes. I just started working. 428 00:16:58,467 --> 00:17:00,633 [Judy] Well, did you start paying him back? 429 00:17:00,734 --> 00:17:02,100 - Uh, no. - Why? 430 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,900 {\an8}So also in July when all these incidents happened 431 00:17:04,900 --> 00:17:07,934 {\an8}Justin had stopped paying for daycare, 432 00:17:08,033 --> 00:17:10,767 which was our agreed-upon child support payment. 433 00:17:10,867 --> 00:17:12,467 We don't have a court order for child support 434 00:17:12,567 --> 00:17:15,433 but he had been paying all of daycare. 435 00:17:15,533 --> 00:17:17,300 I cover all of his other financial-- 436 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,367 So that was an agreement that you had that he would pay for daycare? 437 00:17:20,367 --> 00:17:21,367 [Jessica] Yes. 438 00:17:21,367 --> 00:17:23,600 [Judy] OK. And he stopped paying in July? 439 00:17:23,700 --> 00:17:26,100 Yes. He's started only paying half of daycare. 440 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,533 OK. So well, let's go back. He started paying for half? 441 00:17:28,533 --> 00:17:29,533 [Jessica] Yes. 442 00:17:29,533 --> 00:17:31,300 How much was he supposed to pay per month? 443 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,233 $560 would-- was the full amount of daycare each month. 444 00:17:35,233 --> 00:17:38,800 OK. And he had been paying that in July he cut it down to...? 445 00:17:38,900 --> 00:17:42,400 To $270, I believe. 446 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:43,700 - Eighty. - Eighty. 447 00:17:43,700 --> 00:17:47,633 OK. So he wasn't completely not paying he was paying part of it. 448 00:17:47,734 --> 00:17:50,533 - [Jessica] Correct. - Tell me why you cut the payments in half. 449 00:17:50,533 --> 00:17:51,967 Of course, you have a counterclaim for that. 450 00:17:52,066 --> 00:17:55,633 Yeah. So, um, in July we started a custody case 451 00:17:55,734 --> 00:17:57,767 for full custody of our son. 452 00:17:57,867 --> 00:18:00,433 You're talking in July. Who started the custody case? 453 00:18:00,433 --> 00:18:01,467 I did, Your Honor. 454 00:18:01,467 --> 00:18:02,834 [Judy] OK. Did you retain a lawyer? 455 00:18:02,934 --> 00:18:04,834 - [Justin] I did. - [Judy] Is that case still ongoing? 456 00:18:04,934 --> 00:18:06,033 - It is. - [Judy] Well then, 457 00:18:06,133 --> 00:18:08,333 I'm not entertaining anything about the daycare 458 00:18:08,433 --> 00:18:10,333 because you have that case in family court 459 00:18:10,433 --> 00:18:15,100 the court there will make a determination as far as future child support 460 00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:17,367 and whether or not this daycare should have been paid. 461 00:18:17,467 --> 00:18:19,834 So you have no reason for not paying the loan? 462 00:18:19,934 --> 00:18:22,300 I was planning on filing bankruptcy. 463 00:18:22,300 --> 00:18:24,533 [Judy] OK, but you didn't-- you didn't file for bankruptcy. 464 00:18:24,633 --> 00:18:26,834 You did the smart thing. How much is left on the loan? 465 00:18:26,934 --> 00:18:30,500 It's in excess of $12 or $11,000. 466 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,633 What interest rate is on that loan by the way? 467 00:18:32,633 --> 00:18:35,834 Uh, 36% I believe. 468 00:18:35,934 --> 00:18:39,934 Current balance as of November, 30th, $12,631. 469 00:18:39,934 --> 00:18:43,834 [Judy] How is the 30% loan better than her credit cards? 470 00:18:43,934 --> 00:18:46,934 She had some loans in excess of 800%. 471 00:18:46,934 --> 00:18:47,934 [Judy] From whom? 472 00:18:47,934 --> 00:18:49,533 Or over 500%. 473 00:18:49,633 --> 00:18:51,033 Uh, these were online lenders. 474 00:18:52,100 --> 00:18:53,667 Oh, wow. OK. 475 00:18:53,767 --> 00:18:56,934 You have a counterclaim, harassment, daycare costs is out. 476 00:18:56,934 --> 00:19:00,834 Lost wages 'cause you say you had to take a day off to file a protective order 477 00:19:00,834 --> 00:19:02,100 and you were fired. 478 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:03,667 Nonsense. Harassment. 479 00:19:03,667 --> 00:19:04,900 Let's hear it. 480 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,100 And don't go back to anything that you told the judge 481 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,000 during the hearing that you had where he dismissed your application 482 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,333 for an Order of Protection. 483 00:19:12,333 --> 00:19:14,433 OK, well, that Order of Protection-- 484 00:19:14,533 --> 00:19:15,667 - [Judy] OK. - [Justin] That--that was-- 485 00:19:15,667 --> 00:19:16,734 [Judy] Just shh! 486 00:19:16,834 --> 00:19:19,433 Well, if that's the testimony, it's already been adjudicated. 487 00:19:19,533 --> 00:19:21,734 A judge using the same measure of proof 488 00:19:21,834 --> 00:19:23,867 that I would use dismissed your case. 489 00:19:23,867 --> 00:19:25,834 So I'm not re-litigating that case. 490 00:19:25,834 --> 00:19:28,266 Judgment for the Plaintiff in the amount of $10,000. 491 00:19:28,367 --> 00:19:29,734 - Thank you. - Thank you, Your Honor. 492 00:19:29,834 --> 00:19:30,700 [bailiff] This court is adjourned. 493 00:19:30,700 --> 00:19:33,600 {\an8}Well, I believe he was angry that I started a relationship with somebody. 494 00:19:33,700 --> 00:19:36,100 {\an8}I think the restraining order was part of her defense 495 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,934 {\an8}as to why she didn't want to pay me back anymore. 496 00:19:38,033 --> 00:19:41,600 {\an8}I was ready to file bankruptcy and he had offered to take it out for me. 497 00:19:41,700 --> 00:19:43,900 {\an8}You know, at the end of the day, um, 498 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,500 {\an8}the--the loan is still agreed upon and still needs to be repaid. 499 00:19:48,567 --> 00:19:50,734 I think that that's a good lesson 500 00:19:50,834 --> 00:19:53,667 that you can't use the court systems and restraining orders 501 00:19:53,667 --> 00:19:56,900 to get out of a loan that you have really no excuse 502 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,934 for not paying except for you lost your job. 503 00:19:59,033 --> 00:20:00,900 And I just think it's tricky. 504 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,667 I think that a lot of defendants come in here 505 00:20:02,667 --> 00:20:04,433 and think that they can just say, 506 00:20:04,533 --> 00:20:06,834 "I didn't have the money and so I don't have to pay it." 507 00:20:06,834 --> 00:20:08,066 But that's not the case. 508 00:20:08,166 --> 00:20:12,834 It was most interesting to me is these 800% or 500% 509 00:20:12,834 --> 00:20:15,700 or a 100% interest bearing loans. 510 00:20:15,700 --> 00:20:17,767 - [Sarah] I know, it's something. - Where did that come from? 511 00:20:17,867 --> 00:20:20,266 It's something I've seen recently in the past couple years. 512 00:20:20,367 --> 00:20:23,600 It seems like every online shopping venue now 513 00:20:23,700 --> 00:20:26,900 has some form of loan payment or loan offering 514 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,367 or "Sign up for our loan program." 515 00:20:29,367 --> 00:20:31,000 And I'd never seen that before. 516 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,166 And if you don't read the fine print, you could get stuck 517 00:20:33,166 --> 00:20:37,166 in just like the defendant here, with a lot of those high interest loans. 518 00:20:37,166 --> 00:20:38,100 [Judy] Yeah. 519 00:20:39,266 --> 00:20:40,734 [narrator] Want justice? 520 00:20:40,834 --> 00:20:42,667 {\an8}Go to JudyJustice.tv