1 00:00:00,066 --> 00:00:02,934 {\an8}You were living together and conceived a child with him. 2 00:00:02,934 --> 00:00:06,500 He began exhibiting behaviors of somebody who was using drugs. 3 00:00:06,500 --> 00:00:09,100 You called child protective services 4 00:00:09,100 --> 00:00:10,834 for kidnapping your son. 5 00:00:10,834 --> 00:00:13,867 - She left the jurisdiction. - Yes, ma'am. 6 00:00:13,867 --> 00:00:16,300 - How long? - Six months. 7 00:00:16,300 --> 00:00:18,533 - You wouldn't like that. - I... I would not. 8 00:00:18,533 --> 00:00:20,500 Well, he's a parent, just like you are. 9 00:00:20,500 --> 00:00:23,100 [announcer] This is Judy Justice. 10 00:00:23,100 --> 00:00:24,900 {\an8}[theme music playing] 11 00:00:39,433 --> 00:00:43,900 {\an8}[announcer] Eve Rockhill is suing her ex-boyfriend, Andrew Tallon, 12 00:00:43,900 --> 00:00:47,433 for the cost of a car he wrecked during an accident. 13 00:00:47,433 --> 00:00:49,300 [bailiff] Court come in order. All rise. 14 00:00:50,467 --> 00:00:51,800 Have a seat, please. 15 00:00:53,633 --> 00:00:57,200 {\an8}Hello, judge. Case 21- 63, Rockhill vs. Tallon. 16 00:00:58,333 --> 00:00:59,266 {\an8}- Thank you. - You're welcome. 17 00:01:01,133 --> 00:01:04,266 [Judy] Ms Rockhill, this is basically what the case is about. 18 00:01:04,266 --> 00:01:05,800 You and the defendant were in a relationship, 19 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,900 you have one child together, 20 00:01:07,900 --> 00:01:11,266 and it is your claim that some three years ago he took your car, 21 00:01:11,266 --> 00:01:12,500 with your permission. 22 00:01:12,500 --> 00:01:14,567 - You were living together at the time? - Yes. 23 00:01:14,567 --> 00:01:16,900 He took your car and had an accident. 24 00:01:16,900 --> 00:01:19,200 - Correct, yes. - And that was three years ago, 25 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,834 and you want him to pay $5,000 on a car 26 00:01:21,834 --> 00:01:25,600 that Sarah has already checked, which is worth... 27 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,600 Between 1,400 and 3,000. 28 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,367 Which is worth a quarter of that. 29 00:01:29,367 --> 00:01:31,133 - Do you understand? - Correct, yeah. 30 00:01:31,133 --> 00:01:33,967 Yeah, okay, so I want you to forget about $5,000. 31 00:01:33,967 --> 00:01:37,166 So if he's responsible for anything for the car, 32 00:01:37,166 --> 00:01:40,300 he's responsible for what it's value is, 33 00:01:40,300 --> 00:01:42,166 which is about 1,400 bucks. 34 00:01:42,166 --> 00:01:45,800 How long had you been living together when he borrowed the car. 35 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,333 About a year. 36 00:01:47,333 --> 00:01:50,000 [Judy] Okay, and was your child born during that time? 37 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,700 - Yes. - [Judy] What month and year 38 00:01:51,700 --> 00:01:52,700 was the child born? 39 00:01:52,700 --> 00:01:54,367 August 2018. 40 00:01:54,367 --> 00:01:58,000 When was the first time that you asked Mr. Tallon 41 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,500 for money for this car that had been in an accident? 42 00:02:01,500 --> 00:02:03,834 {\an8}After he was released from jail, 43 00:02:03,834 --> 00:02:07,300 {\an8}he got arrested from a previous warrant, um, at the scene of the accident, 44 00:02:07,300 --> 00:02:09,333 uh, directly from the hospital, 45 00:02:09,333 --> 00:02:11,967 so when he was released from jail. 46 00:02:11,967 --> 00:02:13,433 What was the date of the accident? 47 00:02:13,433 --> 00:02:15,433 April 30th, 2019. 48 00:02:15,934 --> 00:02:17,734 And how long were you held in jail, sir? 49 00:02:18,533 --> 00:02:20,600 {\an8}I believe June 11th or so. 50 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,367 {\an8}- Roughly almost six weeks. - [Judy] What was the warrant for? 51 00:02:23,367 --> 00:02:24,567 Domestic battery. 52 00:02:24,567 --> 00:02:27,000 - [Judy] Against whom? - Against Eve. 53 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,066 - [Judy] Against her? - [Andrew] Against Eve. 54 00:02:29,066 --> 00:02:30,367 Yes, against her. 55 00:02:30,367 --> 00:02:33,266 While you were living together, did you file another complaint 56 00:02:33,266 --> 00:02:34,734 after the accident? 57 00:02:34,734 --> 00:02:37,633 No, I didn't. There was a warrant from the initial complaint. 58 00:02:37,633 --> 00:02:39,100 And what year was that? 59 00:02:39,100 --> 00:02:43,200 That was around November of 2018. 60 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,333 But you remained living together and you had a child together. 61 00:02:46,333 --> 00:02:48,266 Why didn't you just withdraw that case? 62 00:02:48,266 --> 00:02:49,734 [Eve] I did withdraw it. 63 00:02:49,734 --> 00:02:51,900 I didn't realize that a warrant had been released 64 00:02:51,900 --> 00:02:54,500 until it was, until it was acted upon. 65 00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:57,767 Well, when he was arrested and he was held in jail, he contacted you, correct? 66 00:02:57,767 --> 00:02:59,400 - Yes. - [Judy] Of course he did. 67 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,567 Because he said, "What's going on? We're living together, we have a child, 68 00:03:03,266 --> 00:03:05,400 what's this warrant for domestic battery?" 69 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,166 {\an8}It just took time for me to get it dismissed. 70 00:03:08,166 --> 00:03:10,934 {\an8}[Judy] No, what I'm asking you is, he contacted you? 71 00:03:10,934 --> 00:03:14,233 - Yes. - [Judy] And when he was released in June, 72 00:03:14,233 --> 00:03:17,934 of 2019, where did he go to live? 73 00:03:18,433 --> 00:03:20,900 - Uh, he came back. - For what period of time? 74 00:03:20,900 --> 00:03:24,133 About a month, maybe two months at the most. 75 00:03:24,133 --> 00:03:26,500 And you lived together as a couple, 76 00:03:26,500 --> 00:03:28,066 - with the baby. - Yes. 77 00:03:28,066 --> 00:03:29,600 [Judy] And how old was the baby at the time? 78 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:31,867 He would've been about 79 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,066 between six and eight months, off the top of my head. 80 00:03:35,066 --> 00:03:37,800 - And the two of you cared for him. - Yes. 81 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,166 [Judy] And during that two or three month period 82 00:03:40,166 --> 00:03:43,266 there was no discussion, that you have in writing, 83 00:03:43,266 --> 00:03:44,934 about paying back for the car. 84 00:03:44,934 --> 00:03:46,934 - Not in writing. - [Judy] Not in writing. 85 00:03:46,934 --> 00:03:49,633 And what happened after the two months? 86 00:03:49,633 --> 00:03:52,500 He began exhibiting behaviors that were 87 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:55,667 the behaviors of somebody who was using drugs again. 88 00:03:55,667 --> 00:03:58,433 Um, he was clean for a long period of time, 89 00:03:58,433 --> 00:04:01,333 and he just, his attitude changed, 90 00:04:01,333 --> 00:04:04,433 his behaviors changed, and I decided that 91 00:04:04,433 --> 00:04:06,867 it was time for him to go back to his mother's house. 92 00:04:06,867 --> 00:04:09,166 - [Judy] And he did. - Correct, yes. 93 00:04:09,166 --> 00:04:11,834 - That was after a couple of months? - Yes. 94 00:04:11,834 --> 00:04:16,233 So that would've been in maybe August or September, is that right, sir? 95 00:04:16,233 --> 00:04:18,734 - Yes, ma'am. - [Judy] Okay, so in August or September. 96 00:04:18,734 --> 00:04:21,133 Did he continue to see his son? 97 00:04:21,133 --> 00:04:24,200 He did, yeah. I would, um, I would bring Eden down 98 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,400 {\an8}to his mother's house for them to have visits together. 99 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,867 {\an8}His mother has always been a safe spot for them to visit. 100 00:04:28,867 --> 00:04:30,667 All right, and how long did you do that? 101 00:04:30,667 --> 00:04:32,367 Up until recently. 102 00:04:32,367 --> 00:04:34,600 - We're pretty much... - Recently, so you're talking about 103 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,734 '19, '20, '21. 104 00:04:36,734 --> 00:04:38,133 - Yes. - [Judy] Right. 105 00:04:38,133 --> 00:04:40,533 There was a period of time where, 106 00:04:40,533 --> 00:04:43,266 because he was living with his mother at first, there was a period of time 107 00:04:43,266 --> 00:04:46,200 where I didn't know where he was living, it made me uncomfortable 108 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,734 that I was bringing my son, even though they were visiting at his mother's house, 109 00:04:49,734 --> 00:04:52,734 it made me uncomfortable that he wouldn't let me know 110 00:04:52,734 --> 00:04:55,867 and address for him, just in case anything happened, just in case, 111 00:04:55,867 --> 00:04:58,100 you know, anything, anything happened, basically. 112 00:04:58,667 --> 00:05:00,467 He wouldn't, he didn't give me an address 113 00:05:00,467 --> 00:05:03,633 or me to find him, or for me to know where Eden might be 114 00:05:03,633 --> 00:05:05,433 if anything were to happen. 115 00:05:05,433 --> 00:05:09,900 So, what I'm getting is for three years after this accident 116 00:05:09,900 --> 00:05:14,433 {\an8}there was no request that you can demonstrate, 117 00:05:14,433 --> 00:05:17,500 {\an8}and you weren't together, certainly, so for the last two years, 118 00:05:17,500 --> 00:05:22,667 you never went and filed claiming that he owed you money for the car. 119 00:05:22,667 --> 00:05:25,567 - So, I... Sorry. - Just, is that correct. 120 00:05:25,567 --> 00:05:28,433 No. I did attempt to file several times, 121 00:05:28,433 --> 00:05:33,133 but I didn't have an address for him. I did tried to file once for an address... 122 00:05:33,133 --> 00:05:35,000 Do you have any proof of that? 123 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,467 - I do not. - [Judy] No. 124 00:05:36,467 --> 00:05:39,033 You continued to bring your son 125 00:05:39,033 --> 00:05:41,200 for visitation with his father. 126 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,133 - Correct. - [Judy] Which is a very easy thing to do, 127 00:05:44,133 --> 00:05:46,567 you're a smart enough gal, I'm gathering that. 128 00:05:46,567 --> 00:05:49,467 You bring a friend, you serve him personally 129 00:05:49,467 --> 00:05:51,567 with a summons and complaint. 130 00:05:51,567 --> 00:05:54,066 So the answer is for three years you did nothing. 131 00:05:54,066 --> 00:05:57,333 Now I'm gonna find out why, after three and a half years, 132 00:05:57,333 --> 00:06:00,633 you've filed this complaint over a $1,400 car. 133 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,000 {\an8}- The child is no longer in your custody. - Temporarily. 134 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,667 {\an8}[Judy] The child is no longer in your custody. 135 00:06:07,667 --> 00:06:11,433 {\an8}The child is in the physical custody of the paternal grandmother. 136 00:06:11,433 --> 00:06:13,667 {\an8}- And that is by court order. - Yes. 137 00:06:13,667 --> 00:06:17,333 {\an8}And they found that the child would be at risk in your custody. 138 00:06:17,333 --> 00:06:18,567 {\an8}Yes. 139 00:06:28,567 --> 00:06:32,934 {\an8}[announcer] Eve Rockhill claims her ex- boyfriend, Andrew Tallon 140 00:06:32,934 --> 00:06:34,967 owes for totaling her car. 141 00:06:34,967 --> 00:06:39,200 Andrew is countersuing for emotional distress and attorney fees 142 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,667 after Eve took their son. 143 00:06:41,667 --> 00:06:44,867 Okay, you bring a friend, you serve him personally 144 00:06:44,867 --> 00:06:47,367 with a summons and complaint. 145 00:06:47,367 --> 00:06:50,066 So, the answer is for three years you did nothing. 146 00:06:50,066 --> 00:06:53,467 Now I'm gonna find out why, after three and a half years, 147 00:06:53,467 --> 00:06:56,734 you've filed this complaint over a $1,400 car. 148 00:06:56,734 --> 00:07:01,367 Now, Mr. Tallon says in his cross complaint 149 00:07:01,367 --> 00:07:05,600 that there came a time when you left the state, 150 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,600 the jurisdiction, that was the child's home state. 151 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:09,800 Yes. 152 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,166 {\an8}And when did you leave the jurisdiction? 153 00:07:12,166 --> 00:07:14,900 {\an8}That was in September of 2021. 154 00:07:14,900 --> 00:07:16,667 And you went from where to where? 155 00:07:16,667 --> 00:07:20,667 We went from Florida, we stopped in South Carolina for a period of time, 156 00:07:20,667 --> 00:07:24,333 we had a little vacation before we had to go, cause we were going to work, 157 00:07:24,333 --> 00:07:26,300 we were going to clear a property out for sale. 158 00:07:26,300 --> 00:07:29,300 So you left the jurisdiction with the child. 159 00:07:29,300 --> 00:07:31,100 - Yes. - [Judy] Prior to that, 160 00:07:31,100 --> 00:07:34,100 Mr. Tallon had been seeing the child 161 00:07:34,100 --> 00:07:36,266 - regularly at his mother's house. - [Eve] Yes. 162 00:07:36,266 --> 00:07:38,934 - Did you tell him you were leaving? - Yes. 163 00:07:38,934 --> 00:07:41,133 What did he say when you told him you were leaving? 164 00:07:41,934 --> 00:07:44,900 He didn't really say anything, he just wanted to spend time with him, 165 00:07:44,900 --> 00:07:47,900 which he was, you know, they did spend time together before we left. 166 00:07:47,900 --> 00:07:50,166 Not before, after you left. 167 00:07:50,166 --> 00:07:52,266 - You moved to New Jersey. - I didn't move. 168 00:07:52,266 --> 00:07:54,433 - I didn't move to New Jersey. - [Judy] What did you do? 169 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,834 So, like I said, we went there to liquidate a house that we have there. 170 00:07:58,834 --> 00:08:01,734 - It took longer than expected. - How long? 171 00:08:01,734 --> 00:08:05,166 It took about five months, six months. 172 00:08:05,166 --> 00:08:08,266 Things happened with the closing, deals were made and fell through. 173 00:08:08,266 --> 00:08:10,967 How long did you tell him you were gonna be away? 174 00:08:10,967 --> 00:08:13,600 I was only supposed to be away for two weeks. 175 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,300 That's a big deal, Ms. Rockhill. 176 00:08:16,233 --> 00:08:17,834 - That's a big deal. - It is. 177 00:08:18,333 --> 00:08:21,767 [Judy] Because if he says, "I'm taking Eden for a two week vacation, 178 00:08:21,767 --> 00:08:24,000 if that's okay, I know you took him away, I'd like take him away 179 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,166 for a two week holiday," and he goes away for six months, 180 00:08:27,166 --> 00:08:29,300 - you wouldn't like that. - I... I would not. 181 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:30,300 [Judy] You would not. 182 00:08:30,300 --> 00:08:32,367 Well, he's a parent just like you are. 183 00:08:32,367 --> 00:08:33,300 That's what the law says. 184 00:08:33,300 --> 00:08:36,600 The law says men, women, treated just about equally when they have a child. 185 00:08:37,166 --> 00:08:40,633 If you said to him, "I'm going away for six months," and he said okay, 186 00:08:41,333 --> 00:08:44,834 well then you'll agree to. But you said, "We'll be away for two weeks," 187 00:08:44,834 --> 00:08:46,500 and it lasted longer. 188 00:08:46,500 --> 00:08:48,800 - Yes, that's... - And during the time 189 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,266 that it lasted longer, 190 00:08:50,266 --> 00:08:53,033 about six months longer than it was supposed to, 191 00:08:53,033 --> 00:08:56,800 what arrangements did you make for your son to see his father? 192 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,867 They had video calls regularly, um, 193 00:08:58,867 --> 00:09:01,533 I told him I would be back when, as soon as I could. 194 00:09:01,533 --> 00:09:05,900 Let me... just a second. So the answer is, you did not make any, 195 00:09:05,900 --> 00:09:08,333 - because he has a counter claim, here. - Yes. 196 00:09:08,333 --> 00:09:11,800 And his counter claim is for the fact that you took the child 197 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,200 out of the jurisdiction, deprived him of the ability to see the child, 198 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,066 subsequently, due to circumstances, and I'm not sure what that is, 199 00:09:19,066 --> 00:09:21,967 - the child is no longer in your custody. - Temporarily. 200 00:09:21,967 --> 00:09:23,633 [Judy] The child is no longer in your custody, 201 00:09:23,633 --> 00:09:27,000 the child is in the physical custody of the paternal grandmother. 202 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,700 Is that correct? And that is by court order. 203 00:09:29,700 --> 00:09:32,400 - Yes. - The beginning of that process 204 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,533 was made in what month and year? 205 00:09:34,533 --> 00:09:35,834 July of 2022. 206 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,500 Was that a child protective proceeding? 207 00:09:38,500 --> 00:09:39,800 It was, yes. 208 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,266 And I assume that if it was a child protective proceeding, 209 00:09:43,266 --> 00:09:46,333 that the court found that based upon whatever 210 00:09:46,333 --> 00:09:49,266 was alleged in the petition that was not brought by him 211 00:09:49,266 --> 00:09:51,867 but by the Department of Social Services 212 00:09:51,867 --> 00:09:54,200 {\an8}or Child Welfare Administration, 213 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,400 {\an8}they found that the child would be at risk in your custody. 214 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:58,433 Yes. 215 00:09:58,433 --> 00:10:00,934 And as a result of that, they took the child into care, 216 00:10:00,934 --> 00:10:03,367 and this is all stuff, cause I've been here, 217 00:10:03,367 --> 00:10:05,233 I've, you know, this is my bread and butter. 218 00:10:05,233 --> 00:10:09,567 Instead of placing the child in a strange foster home, 219 00:10:09,567 --> 00:10:12,166 they placed the child with the defendant's mother. 220 00:10:12,166 --> 00:10:14,066 - Correct. - [Judy] For how long a period? 221 00:10:14,066 --> 00:10:15,767 Eighteen months? 222 00:10:15,767 --> 00:10:19,567 Indefinite. Um, there's no specified period of time, however... 223 00:10:19,567 --> 00:10:23,867 Well, they have... the court, if the court is placing a child through the state, 224 00:10:23,867 --> 00:10:26,767 unless you relinquish your parental rights, did you do that? 225 00:10:26,767 --> 00:10:28,867 - No, I didn't. - Okay, unless you relinquished 226 00:10:28,867 --> 00:10:32,200 your parental rights or the court terminated your parental rights, 227 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,633 they have to review this case periodically to see whether either one of you 228 00:10:36,633 --> 00:10:39,600 as the parents are ready to assume custody of the child. 229 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,734 Right? So when is this case gonna be reviewed? 230 00:10:41,734 --> 00:10:43,967 I believe the next review is in February. 231 00:10:43,967 --> 00:10:46,166 - [Judy] February of this year? - Of this year, correct, yes. 232 00:10:46,166 --> 00:10:48,900 [Judy] That's a reasonable answer, so that you do know. 233 00:10:48,900 --> 00:10:51,400 So that's the change in circumstance. 234 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:56,734 Now, getting back, Ms. Rockhill, to what motivated you after three years 235 00:10:56,734 --> 00:10:59,867 after you gave him permission to drive the car and he had an accident, 236 00:10:59,867 --> 00:11:04,667 and you made up this whole baloney story in your complaint 237 00:11:04,667 --> 00:11:08,567 that says, "Police arrested Andrew at the scene of the accident 238 00:11:08,567 --> 00:11:12,800 because I had previously filed a domestic abuse charge against him 239 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,767 and there was a warrant." But you were living together 240 00:11:15,767 --> 00:11:19,600 during the time that there was this outstanding warrant, 241 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,100 you were living together and conceived a child with him. 242 00:11:22,100 --> 00:11:23,834 {\an8}The child was already conceived, 243 00:11:23,834 --> 00:11:27,600 {\an8}he was already born at the time of the domestic violence altercation. 244 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,867 In 2018? 245 00:11:29,867 --> 00:11:33,333 In two thousand, the end of 2018, yes, he was born in August 246 00:11:33,333 --> 00:11:36,066 and the altercation happened in November. 247 00:11:36,066 --> 00:11:37,200 So he was very young. 248 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,333 But you reunited and were living together 249 00:11:39,333 --> 00:11:40,700 with him as a family. 250 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:42,333 - Yes. - [Judy] All right. 251 00:11:42,333 --> 00:11:45,800 "The police arrested Andrew then on a domestic abuse charge 252 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,834 and there was a warrant. When Andrew was released from jail he disappeared." 253 00:11:50,834 --> 00:11:52,900 - [Eve] So... - [Judy] That's what... Just a second. 254 00:11:52,900 --> 00:11:54,834 That's what you say here. 255 00:11:54,834 --> 00:11:59,834 "He disappeared, my car was fully paid off and I had no liability insurance. 256 00:11:59,834 --> 00:12:02,700 Andrew refused to pay for my totaled car, 257 00:12:02,700 --> 00:12:04,834 and he refused to see our son. 258 00:12:05,367 --> 00:12:07,300 He moved and went into hiding." 259 00:12:07,300 --> 00:12:10,000 That's what you signed, that's your complaint. 260 00:12:10,734 --> 00:12:14,533 "I tried to file this small claims case against him several times, 261 00:12:14,533 --> 00:12:17,667 but could not find his current address." Well that's not true. 262 00:12:17,667 --> 00:12:19,166 You knew exactly where he was 263 00:12:19,166 --> 00:12:22,767 until you moved out of the jurisdiction to New Jersey for six months, 264 00:12:22,767 --> 00:12:25,266 because he had been regularly seeing 265 00:12:25,266 --> 00:12:27,133 his son at his mother's house. 266 00:12:27,133 --> 00:12:28,900 But he wasn't living at his mother's house... 267 00:12:28,900 --> 00:12:31,200 It doesn't make any difference, that's not what you say here. 268 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:32,333 [Eve] I did put that he was at his mother's house. 269 00:12:32,333 --> 00:12:33,333 He may not have been living there. 270 00:12:33,333 --> 00:12:35,233 He may not have wanted you to know where he was living. 271 00:12:35,233 --> 00:12:38,266 - He didn't, and that's why I said... - [Judy] That's okay, he doesn't have 272 00:12:38,266 --> 00:12:39,500 to tell you where he's living. 273 00:12:39,500 --> 00:12:42,333 Unless a judge orders him, he doesn't have to tell you where he's living. 274 00:12:42,333 --> 00:12:44,667 You were having visitation at his mother's house, 275 00:12:44,667 --> 00:12:48,333 so all of this stuff after the accident is all a bunch of baloney. 276 00:12:50,867 --> 00:12:52,967 {\an8}So did there come a time when you were concerned 277 00:12:52,967 --> 00:12:54,233 {\an8}that your son was using drugs. 278 00:12:54,233 --> 00:12:55,700 {\an8}- Um... - [Judy] That's either a yes or a no. 279 00:12:55,700 --> 00:12:56,633 {\an8}- Yes. - [Judy] Yes. 280 00:12:56,633 --> 00:13:00,200 {\an8}And was it at that time that you suggested she come and pick up Eden? 281 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,533 {\an8}I told her to pick him up from school, 282 00:13:02,533 --> 00:13:06,000 {\an8}I didn't tell her to come pick up Eden and take off for five months. 283 00:13:17,467 --> 00:13:21,734 {\an8}[announcer] Eve Rockhill has accused her ex- boyfriend, Andrew Tallon, 284 00:13:21,734 --> 00:13:23,266 of totaling her car. 285 00:13:23,266 --> 00:13:26,867 Andrew claims Eve kept him from seeing their son. 286 00:13:26,867 --> 00:13:31,300 You knew exactly where he was until you moved. 287 00:13:31,300 --> 00:13:34,600 I didn't though. He was not living at his mother's house at the time, 288 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,600 that was just a place that he was visiting with Eden and that I would bring him to. 289 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,300 Perfect! So you would set the terms of that, and the terms were 290 00:13:41,300 --> 00:13:44,066 that he could see the child even without a court order, 291 00:13:44,066 --> 00:13:47,133 because he was his father and had lived with him after he got out of jail. 292 00:13:47,133 --> 00:13:48,467 - [Eve] Yes. - Lived with him, 293 00:13:48,467 --> 00:13:51,200 which you don't say here. After he got out of jail. 294 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,533 - But I didn't put that... - I don't think you have a case. 295 00:13:53,533 --> 00:13:56,500 He drove the car with your permission, you were living together as a couple, 296 00:13:56,500 --> 00:13:58,667 you have a child together, your case is dismissed. 297 00:13:58,667 --> 00:14:02,867 {\an8}Now, I want you to tell me, sir, you have a counter claim 298 00:14:02,867 --> 00:14:06,633 {\an8}for her kidnapping your son, she left the jurisdiction. 299 00:14:06,633 --> 00:14:09,734 - You called Child Protective Services. - Yes, ma'am. 300 00:14:09,734 --> 00:14:12,467 [Judy] Tell me when you called Child Protective Services. 301 00:14:12,467 --> 00:14:14,834 Because that's the reason that this lawsuit came about. 302 00:14:14,834 --> 00:14:19,166 The last time I saw him before she left the state with him was September 19th. 303 00:14:19,166 --> 00:14:20,967 Me and my family, we went to SeaWorld, 304 00:14:20,967 --> 00:14:23,000 and she was supposed to meet me. 305 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,467 She said, when we dropped off, that she was gonna meet me in Tampa, 306 00:14:26,467 --> 00:14:29,400 and when I called her she said that she was in Jacksonville. 307 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,967 She lives in Ocala, so she was like still like two hours 308 00:14:31,967 --> 00:14:35,767 north east of where she lives, and she wasn't in Tampa, 309 00:14:35,767 --> 00:14:38,934 so I just decided just to take him home rather than argue. I took him home 310 00:14:38,934 --> 00:14:44,567 and the house was just disgusting, beer cans filled up in the trash cans. 311 00:14:44,567 --> 00:14:47,133 The living conditions were troubling. 312 00:14:47,133 --> 00:14:48,934 Was there a neglect proceeding? 313 00:14:48,934 --> 00:14:50,266 {\an8}- For this? - [Judy] The baby. 314 00:14:50,266 --> 00:14:54,467 {\an8}I had an interview with the case worker, the investigator, initially. 315 00:14:54,467 --> 00:14:55,734 [Judy] Were you there in court 316 00:14:55,734 --> 00:14:56,900 - when your mother was granted... - Yes, ma'am. 317 00:14:56,900 --> 00:14:57,934 - [Judy] Yes? - Yes, ma'am. 318 00:14:57,934 --> 00:15:00,734 - [Judy] Was Ms. Rockhill? - [Andrew] Yes, she was there, too. 319 00:15:00,734 --> 00:15:02,533 [Judy] Do you see your son regularly? 320 00:15:02,533 --> 00:15:04,333 - Yes, ma'am. - [Judy] So the period of time 321 00:15:04,333 --> 00:15:08,133 when you did not see him was a six month period, is that right? 322 00:15:08,133 --> 00:15:11,533 That was the second time, yeah. It happened the year, the year prior, 323 00:15:11,533 --> 00:15:12,900 she did it before, too, 324 00:15:12,900 --> 00:15:14,633 where she removed him from school. 325 00:15:14,633 --> 00:15:19,700 Since I've moved home in 2019, we've shared custody periodically 326 00:15:19,700 --> 00:15:22,667 until she decides that she wants to take him 327 00:15:22,667 --> 00:15:24,533 and not allow me to see him, or for whatever, 328 00:15:24,533 --> 00:15:25,967 it's just, I think it's a control thing. 329 00:15:25,967 --> 00:15:30,066 And this was the second time. My counterclaim is for the second time. 330 00:15:30,066 --> 00:15:31,900 How long was the first time? 331 00:15:31,900 --> 00:15:34,433 Roughly the same time, five months, six months. 332 00:15:34,433 --> 00:15:36,066 [Judy] Where did you go the first time? 333 00:15:36,066 --> 00:15:39,300 I didn't go anywhere, I actually received a text from his mother, Angel, 334 00:15:39,300 --> 00:15:42,500 to come pick up Eden. Andrew was using drugs again 335 00:15:42,500 --> 00:15:45,700 and come pick up Eden, it'd be easiest to do it while he was at school 336 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:48,967 to avoid potentially traumatizing Eden. 337 00:15:49,667 --> 00:15:52,433 - [Judy] Did you send that email? - I did not send her an email, no. 338 00:15:52,433 --> 00:15:53,834 - [Eve] It was a text. - A text. 339 00:15:53,834 --> 00:15:56,100 - [Angel] I sent her a text message. - Okay, just a second. 340 00:15:56,100 --> 00:15:57,500 You're his mother, come. 341 00:15:57,500 --> 00:16:00,400 You sent her a text message, that's not something she would make up 342 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,633 because I'm gonna ask to see it, she's gonna show me. 343 00:16:02,633 --> 00:16:04,633 So did there come a time when you were concerned 344 00:16:04,633 --> 00:16:06,000 that your son was using drugs? 345 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,333 - Um... - [Judy] That's either a yes or a no. 346 00:16:07,333 --> 00:16:08,333 - Yes. - [Judy] Yes. 347 00:16:08,333 --> 00:16:12,066 And was it at that time that you suggested she come and pick up Eden? 348 00:16:12,567 --> 00:16:14,500 I told her to pick him up from school, 349 00:16:14,500 --> 00:16:17,800 {\an8}I didn't tell her to come pick up Eden and take off for five months. 350 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:19,734 {\an8}- I didn't take off. - [Judy] Okay, but you told her 351 00:16:19,734 --> 00:16:21,266 - to pick him up from school. - Yes. 352 00:16:21,266 --> 00:16:23,500 He knew where to find me, I was at the same address, 353 00:16:23,500 --> 00:16:24,567 I didn't leave anywhere, 354 00:16:24,567 --> 00:16:27,133 he's known where we've lived the entire time. 355 00:16:27,133 --> 00:16:30,767 He could've come up and seen him, we could've met somewhere, I'm... 356 00:16:30,767 --> 00:16:33,533 I don't know, you did in fact remove him the second time for six, for six months. 357 00:16:33,533 --> 00:16:34,633 [Eve] I did, the second time, yes. 358 00:16:34,633 --> 00:16:37,934 I did not purposefully, to keep him away from Andrew. 359 00:16:37,934 --> 00:16:40,100 We just, I mean we had business to attend to, 360 00:16:40,100 --> 00:16:42,600 and it ended up taking a lot longer than it should've. 361 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,934 Now you see him... now you see him all the time, is that right? 362 00:16:44,934 --> 00:16:47,934 I actually, I live back at home again. When this happened, because... 363 00:16:47,934 --> 00:16:50,100 Just a second, so you live back at home with your mother? 364 00:16:50,100 --> 00:16:51,667 - [Andrew] Yes, I see him every day. - Since when? 365 00:16:51,667 --> 00:16:55,600 {\an8}I've been living back at home for, I think, roughly a month or so. 366 00:16:56,166 --> 00:16:57,233 [Judy] Where are you working? 367 00:16:57,233 --> 00:16:59,834 - I work for a solar company. - [Judy] For how long? 368 00:16:59,834 --> 00:17:02,700 I went to jail for DUI last year, I got out. 369 00:17:02,700 --> 00:17:07,066 That's why I'm having to do the case plan, because of my, my DUI. 370 00:17:07,066 --> 00:17:10,333 That was in, like, August 1st is when I started this job. 371 00:17:10,333 --> 00:17:12,433 - [Judy] Okay, are you working? - I am, yes. 372 00:17:12,433 --> 00:17:14,734 - [Judy] What kind of work do you do? - I'm a dental assistant. 373 00:17:14,734 --> 00:17:16,967 Did you have a trial in the family court? 374 00:17:16,967 --> 00:17:19,200 Not yet, we're still awaiting adjudication. 375 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:20,934 - [Judy] Of full custody. - Yes. 376 00:17:20,934 --> 00:17:24,667 But the child is with you under the auspices of Child Protective Services. 377 00:17:24,667 --> 00:17:27,400 Yes, her trial is the 13th of February. 378 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,233 - [Judy] For the neglect case. - Yes. 379 00:17:30,233 --> 00:17:31,967 Is that correct? You have a lawyer there. 380 00:17:31,967 --> 00:17:33,567 - [Eve] Yes, I do. - [Judy] Okay, good. 381 00:17:33,567 --> 00:17:37,400 Your case against the respondent for the damage to the car 382 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:38,767 three years ago is dismissed. 383 00:17:38,767 --> 00:17:43,700 Likewise is your action against her for attorney's fees, the custody. 384 00:17:43,700 --> 00:17:46,066 Are you appearing in that custody case? 385 00:17:46,066 --> 00:17:47,900 I'm almost complete with my case plan. 386 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:49,767 I will be there for that, yes, ma'am. 387 00:17:49,767 --> 00:17:52,667 Good. So I suggest we not say anything nasty about each other, 388 00:17:52,667 --> 00:17:55,333 because there is always that strong probability 389 00:17:55,333 --> 00:17:57,500 that you're gonna have to co- parent this child. 390 00:17:57,500 --> 00:18:00,567 - It's never been a problem in the past. - Good, very good. 391 00:18:00,567 --> 00:18:02,433 - Case is dismissed. We're done. - Thank you. 392 00:18:02,433 --> 00:18:04,300 [bailif] This court is adjourned. 393 00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:05,867 {\an8}I don't wanna be a part of his life. 394 00:18:05,867 --> 00:18:08,667 {\an8}I want him to have a part of his child's life, 395 00:18:08,667 --> 00:18:12,133 {\an8}as I always have and have always done my best to make sure that he has. 396 00:18:12,133 --> 00:18:14,500 {\an8}I've, honestly, I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you, 397 00:18:14,500 --> 00:18:16,934 {\an8}I just think she was just... maybe she was just 398 00:18:16,934 --> 00:18:19,033 {\an8}trying to get back at me. Maybe, maybe not. 399 00:18:19,033 --> 00:18:21,633 {\an8}Unfortunately, you know, circumstances arose that 400 00:18:22,633 --> 00:18:23,967 {\an8}I wasn't expecting. 401 00:18:23,967 --> 00:18:28,266 {\an8}I feel like sometimes, he was, my... our son 402 00:18:28,266 --> 00:18:30,200 {\an8}was used in a way to hurt me. 403 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,166 {\an8}Things happened with the sale of the house and the closing of the house, 404 00:18:33,166 --> 00:18:34,567 um, deals were dropped, 405 00:18:34,567 --> 00:18:37,500 {\an8}um, we were just trying to get it, we were just trying to get rid of it 406 00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:38,800 {\an8}and it took longer than expected. 407 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:43,100 {\an8}It's hard to see the fighting and the, you know, just the separation of a family. 408 00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:45,200 {\an8}I was just worried, you know, I was in mom mode, 409 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,133 {\an8}and I was... I was worried. 410 00:18:47,133 --> 00:18:49,000 {\an8}Because I know what he's capable of, 411 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,567 {\an8}I've been exposed to him while he was using, 412 00:18:51,567 --> 00:18:53,367 {\an8}while he was exhibiting behaviors, 413 00:18:53,367 --> 00:18:56,367 {\an8}that would be damaging and traumatizing to Eden. 414 00:18:56,367 --> 00:18:59,467 {\an8}It's my past. I mean, it's true, I'm not the same person. 415 00:18:59,467 --> 00:19:01,300 {\an8}I just wanna be the best parent I can be. 416 00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:03,233 {\an8}I hope we can parent our son together. 417 00:19:03,967 --> 00:19:06,734 [Judy] You know, Sarah, there were lots of tentacles in that case. 418 00:19:06,734 --> 00:19:07,834 - There were. - [Judy] Yeah. 419 00:19:07,834 --> 00:19:10,367 But if you tried to take all those tentacles 420 00:19:10,367 --> 00:19:12,867 that we really don't have jurisdiction over, 421 00:19:12,867 --> 00:19:15,500 - I think that they said that custody... - Ongoing. 422 00:19:15,500 --> 00:19:16,967 - ...is ongoing. - Mm-hmm. 423 00:19:16,967 --> 00:19:18,767 If you remove all those tentacles, 424 00:19:18,767 --> 00:19:20,900 there was an accident three years ago, 425 00:19:21,633 --> 00:19:25,066 and despite the fact that she really knew where he was, 426 00:19:25,066 --> 00:19:27,767 where he could be served, because she regularly 427 00:19:27,767 --> 00:19:29,133 brought the child over to him, 428 00:19:29,133 --> 00:19:32,667 and he said that for a good part of that time shared 50/50 custody. 429 00:19:32,667 --> 00:19:34,800 She was perfectly comfortable 430 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,133 with Eden staying with his paternal grandmother. 431 00:19:38,133 --> 00:19:40,767 - Case was really about this car. - Yeah. 432 00:19:40,767 --> 00:19:43,033 And he had an accident, three years ago, 433 00:19:43,033 --> 00:19:46,166 they lived together, they slept together, they shared a child together, 434 00:19:46,166 --> 00:19:49,533 and now that he notified Child Protective Services 435 00:19:49,533 --> 00:19:52,967 of what he saw when he brought the child home, 436 00:19:52,967 --> 00:19:57,066 and she physically lost custody after an investigation, 437 00:19:57,066 --> 00:20:00,467 that's the motivation for filing this now. 438 00:20:00,467 --> 00:20:04,734 She waited too long. He had her permission, drove the car. 439 00:20:04,734 --> 00:20:06,433 As far as I'm concerned, the only person 440 00:20:06,433 --> 00:20:08,233 that I ever feel sorry for in these things... 441 00:20:08,233 --> 00:20:09,734 - Is the kid. - [Judy] ...is the kid. 442 00:20:11,467 --> 00:20:13,133 {\an8}[announcer] Are you having a family dispute? 443 00:20:13,133 --> 00:20:15,367 {\an8}Go to JudyJustice.tv