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{\an8}It all started over a parking space.
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She's called the police over this
multiple times.
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Mine was parked there first.
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Who cares?
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There is no entitlement to park
right in front of your house.
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It's a public street!
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I don't care if you park on Mars.
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[announcer]
This is Judy Justice.
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{\an8}Lynette Hernandez is suing her neighbors,
Pamela Jackson and Ashley Jackson
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for filing false CPS reports,
and defamation of character.
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[Kevin]
Court come to order. All rise.
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Have a seat, please.
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Case 2176. Hernandez v. Jackson.
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- [Judy] Thank you.
- [Kevin] You're welcome.
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Ms. Hernandez,
you and the defendants are neighbors.
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- Yes.
- You more recently moved
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into the neighborhood?
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Yes, on February 25th of 2022.
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And you've been living there
for about a year.
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Year and a half.
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[Judy]
I have complaints and cross-complaints.
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Each one of your are claiming
that the other is guilty of harassment.
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The defendant,
in addition to the harassment,
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says that there was an assault on...
that would be on you?
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- Me.
- ...on you, by the plaintiff.
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Yes.
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[Judy]
And false police reports.
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{\an8}Reports to child welfare administration.
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Each one of you is requesting
serious damages as a result
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of this ongoing harassment
and assault.
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And I gather from reading the papers
that when you moved in,
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the whole bad feeling between neighbors
started because of a parking space.
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- [Judy] Would that be correct?
- Correct.
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- So your car is the white car.
- [Lynette] Correct.
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Tell me about the problem,
when you first moved in, with the car.
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And go over to the chart.
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Okay.
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So a month after I moved in,
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I politely asked Pamela if she--
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Just a sec.
Pamela, that would be you?
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- Yes.
- [Judy] Your last name is Jackson.
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{\an8}- Yes.
- [Judy] Okay.
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{\an8}So you asked Ms. Jackson,
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{\an8}whose car is the car parked
in front of yours?
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- Yes, this one.
- [Judy] Okay.
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So you said to Ms. Jackson...
go ahead.
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I told her if she could please scoot up.
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We were both pulling in
at the same time.
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We were coming back at the same time,
so I thought I could politely ask her
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if she could just scoot up.
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[Judy] I don't know what that means,
and perhaps other people do.
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But I don't.
You asked her to move her car?
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Yes, just a little bit forward,
because on the handicap,
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the yellow line ends right there.
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No, no, see, look at me.
You asked her to--
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I see a handicapped sign.
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So you asked her to move up.
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- [Lynette] Yes.
- [Judy] Why?
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Because she parks so further back,
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and when the neighbors park back there,
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I have to, like, parallel park,
and sometimes I'm in a rush.
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So I just, you know, want to just get out
to go to work,
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or to drop the kids off to school.
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So you don't like to parallel park.
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I do, but sometimes it's too--
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I just wanted to politely ask her
if she could just scoot up a little bit,
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because she has
a bunch of space in the front.
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Well, I...
I don't see a whole bunch of space.
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What is handicap?
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Where is that handicapped spot?
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- Right here in front of her house.
- [Judy] Right there.
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You have a handicapped sign?
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{\an8}When I moved in,
I was told I could park there--
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{\an8}- [Judy] Just a second.
- No, I do not.
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{\an8}[Judy] You do not.
So you shouldn't be parking there anyway.
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I was told I could,
because that was the old sign.
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That's why they dismissed the ticket
that she called to get
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- when I didn't move my car.
- [Judy] Just a second.
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You can't tell me what somebody else said.
There's a handicapped sign.
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I went to the police department marshal.
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Do you have something
from the police department,
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indicating that you can park
in a handicapped spot?
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No. They removed it the next day
and dismissed it because of that.
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Just a second. Is the sign still there?
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- No. They removed it immediately.
- [Judy] Okay.
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- Fine. So the sign was removed.
- Yes.
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And what is that alleyway
where the trashcan is?
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That's the driveway
for the next-door neighbor's...
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- House. Just a second.
- Mm-hmm.
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So that what she's doing
in parking her car there
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is permitting the trashcans,
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which are supposed
to be out into the street, right?
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Point to the trashcan.
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- Yes, right here.
- So the trashcan
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is supposed to be out in the street.
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In order to get back to the house,
somebody who lives in that back house
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has to pull all the way around
the trashcan and her car
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if she moves her car up.
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- Your Honor--
- [Judy] It makes it...
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It makes it that much more difficult
for the person who lives behind.
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I understand.
For trash day, it's understandable.
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[Judy]
I don't care. She doesn't--
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You have to understand, Ms. Hernandez,
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that she doesn't have to accommodate you
so that you don't have to parallel park.
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Mm-hmm. I just thought
I could ask her politely,
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- and I didn't think it was gonna be--
- Well, okay, so let's go back a second.
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- Mm-hmm.
- [Judy] Now you can go back.
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So that's what started the trouble.
You said "politely."
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Tell me exactly what you said to her.
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Tell me exactly what you said to her,
and you said that that happened in March.
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{\an8}- Go ahead.
- I asked her, I said,
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{\an8}"Excuse me, can you please
scoot up a little bit
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{\an8}so that I can parallel park?"
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- There was no trash--
- [Judy] Now just a sec. I don't care.
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Trash, no trash,
she doesn't have to figure,
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"Monday, Wednesday, and Friday
I have to scoot up my car,
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because she doesn't like
to parallel park."
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Do you understand?
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Trash day Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.
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Recycling Tuesday and Thursday,
but not every week. Every other week.
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So I have to remember to scoot up
so that my young neighbor
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doesn't have to parallel park.
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It's ridiculous. Okay...
It's ridiculous
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- Is that the way she asked you?
- No.
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- [Judy] What did she say?
- The way she told me was,
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"Ma'am, I would appreciate if you would
just move around and park in the back."
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- Now, the alleyway--
- [Judy] Now just a second.
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Let's go slowly. "Ma'am..."
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So she said, "Ma'am, can you...
I would appreciate
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{\an8}if you would please move around
to the back alleyway.
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{\an8}I need parking
for all my friends and family."
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No. Not true.
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Your Honor, that's not true.
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No, I don't believe that.
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{\an8}Sarah, I don't know what this...
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{\an8}[Sarah] You don't have to keep hitting it.
That's the whole video.
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{\an8}Thank you. If I hit it,
maybe I hit it on the table.
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{\an8}Yeah, I don't think so.
That only works with your phone.
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{\an8}- It only works on my phone?
- Yeah.
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{\an8}Fresh mouth.
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{\an8}[spectators laugh]
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{\an8}[announcer] Lynette Hernandez
claims her neighbor, Pamela Jackson,
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{\an8}filed false CPS reports and defamed her.
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Pamela is countersuing for an assault.
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[Judy]
Okay, she asked you to move.
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And you said to her, your response to her,
was, "It's a public street."
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"I'll park where I want to park."
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I tried to explain to her
I have arthritis.
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So if you'll see, I park where I can
walk around my car and go up the walkway.
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I don't care.
You don't have to justify it to me.
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I'm just-- I asked you the question.
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You responded what?
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What did you...?
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The way I responded was for--
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Think. If you don't remember,
say, "I don't remember."
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Don't make it up.
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I remember, because I've stated this
the whole time.
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Every time, even the police
have sat there and asked
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why I park there, because she's called
the police over this multiple times.
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{\an8}I have even explained to them,
I park the way I do--
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{\an8}- [Judy] No, I want you to tell me...
- I told her, I says,
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"I'm older, I have arthritis."
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"I park where I do
to be able to use my walkway."
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Her response was, "You'll have a better
access to your walkway if you pull up."
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I said, "No, the person
on my passenger side would."
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"Then I have to go up on the grass."
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- No.
- I need the walkway for stability,
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because I've already had one fall.
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[Judy]
Okay, whatever.
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You told her, "I can't accommodate you."
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- Yes.
- [Lynette] Your Honor, that's not true.
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They didn't take that long.
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She got in her car,
and she actually got in,
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and she scooted up.
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- [Judy] And she moved up a little bit.
- She moved up,
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because the trashcan wasn't there.
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Okay, so you asked her,
"Ma'am, could you move up a little bit?"
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And she... So what you're telling me
is she accommodated you.
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{\an8}- She did.
- [Judy] And she didn't say anything.
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{\an8}So I thought it was okay.
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{\an8}And then what happened?
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[Lynette]
And then, whenever I was parking,
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I got off and I told her, I was like,
"Thank you."
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And then that's when she got upset.
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[Judy]
No, no, no, no, no.
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In March, what you're saying is
you asked her to scoot up.
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- And she did.
- And she did.
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When was the next date
that something happened with the car?
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April 6th, she called the cops
for the first time
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because she parked--
That's how she parked.
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She parked very close to my car,
as you can see on the picture.
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She started parking close to me like that.
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- She called the cops for the first time.
- [Judy] Just a second.
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- That photograph was taken April 6th?
- [Lynette] Yes, ma'am.
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- Of 2022?
- Yes, ma'am.
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[Judy] Okay, and you were parked
right in front of your house?
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- [Lynette] Yes, ma'am.
- [Judy] First.
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And she parked in front of you?
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- Correct.
- [Judy] And you're telling me
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that she called the police?
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- Correct.
- [Judy] Is that correct?
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- No.
- [Judy] Okay.
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Show me that she called the police
on April 6th.
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- [Pamela] Uh, she--
- Shh!
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[Lynette] She called the police,
and then she was telling them--
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[Judy]
No, no, no, no.
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Don't tell me what she was telling them.
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I want to see where
she called the police on April 6th.
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She said she didn't.
Is that what you just said?
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I called the police.
I'm not the one that parked.
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I was already parked there
when she pulled up on me.
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I called the police
because she tapped my back end
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before she pulled back.
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- Incorrect.
- So you were parked there already.
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{\an8}I was already there, and this has been
an ongoing issue for months.
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{\an8}She would pull up on me,
and sometimes tap my bumper.
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- [Judy] And you were in the car?
- [Pamela] I wasn't in the car.
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- I was inside.
- So you just saw her park close to you.
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- I saw her tap my bumper.
- [Judy] Okay.
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- And that's when you called the police?
- [Pamela] Yes.
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- [Judy] Okay.
- And she knew,
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because she was recording me calling them.
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- [Judy] Do you have that?
- [Pamela] It's even on her TikTok.
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- I'd like to see.
- I do, because she was lying to them
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and said that I hit her car,
and I did not hit her car.
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- It shows she was the one pulling in.
- [Judy] Shh!
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Well, but the scenario that she's telling,
Ms. Hernandez,
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that she's telling me,
is different from what you told me.
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So let's get it clear.
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Was her car parked there first,
or yours?
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Mine was parked there first.
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[Judy]
And she says hers was parked there first.
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That means that she would have
to back into that spot, whatever it was.
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- And she did.
- [Judy] Just a second.
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That's what you want me--
She backed into that spot,
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and backed in very close to your car.
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- [Lynette] Yes.
- I don't believe that.
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I don't believe that.
That doesn't-- I don't believe that.
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You're gonna have to prove that to me,
because that would be silly.
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I see what you're showing me.
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What you're showing me is consistent
with the cars being very close together.
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But you want me to believe
that she actually backed into that spot.
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- She did.
- [Judy] It's a video?
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[Lynette] Your Honor,
she did park like that that day.
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[Judy]
Ah.
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I hope this video will show me that.
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- I don't know what this... Sarah?
- [Sarah] Yeah?
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Am I getting the whole...?
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[Sarah]
Yeah, you don't have to keep hitting it.
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- That's the whole video. That's it.
- Could we do it again?
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- [Sarah] Yeah.
- [Judy] Thank you.
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- If I hit it, maybe hit it on the table...
- Yeah, I don't think so.
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That only works with your phone.
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It only works on my phone?
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Fresh mouth.
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[spectators laugh]
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Yeah. All right, this is useless.
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Okay, so the police came out.
And was there a police report?
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- I have it right here.
- [Judy] May I have it, please?
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Who else lives in the house with you,
Ms. Hernandez?
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Me and my two children.
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Oh, well, that was nasty
over a parking space.
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How unfortunate.
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- I'd like to see that.
- [Judy] Absolutely.
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Thank you.
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Oh yes.
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The officer actually didn't believe her
because there was nothing on her car.
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[Judy]
Doesn't have to be anything on her car.
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You tap somebody's bumper,
there isn't always damage.
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That's close enough for me.
Okay, give me the paper back.
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[Lynette] They...
Uh, the officer did not believe her,
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because she lied.
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{\an8}She made false accusations,
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{\an8}saying that I was
threatening her with a knife,
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and with a baby in my arm.
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Officer didn't believe her because--
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Don't tell me what the officer believed
or what the officer didn't believe, madam.
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It's irrelevant what you think
the officer believed.
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If the officer was here,
I would question the officer.
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Okay, it all started
over a parking space.
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And you have to understand,
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I'm not sympathetic with you.
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You move into a neighborhood.
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Something is established
in the neighborhood.
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Because I'm sure she didn't
wait to park in that spot
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just when you moved in.
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That's where she's been parking her car.
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It's not that you don't have
a place to park.
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You have a place to park
in front of your house.
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That's the defendant's house.
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Her car is parked
right in front of her house.
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You have a place to park.
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Your car is parked
right in front of your house.
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You want her to move
to make it easier for you,
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so that you don't
have to struggle to park,
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so you could just scoot in
and scoot out.
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I just didn't want to risk
hitting her car for being...
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- No.
- ...because the people behind me
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- would park pretty close up.
- [Judy] Who cares?
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It's a public street!
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I don't care if you park on Mars.
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- Mm-hmm.
- [Judy] Park someplace else on the street.
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It would bother me
if that was my driveway
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and there was a car that was right up
to the edge of that driveway,
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causing me to have to swing out wide
every time I pulled into my driveway.
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And I couldn't do it during trash days
because it's even a wider turn,
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all so that you
didn't have to parallel park.
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I'm telling you,
I'm not sympathetic with that.
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{\an8}You're not entitled to a public street
parking spot.
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{\an8}That's sort of an entitlement that...
What generation?
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{\an8}- Gen Z.
- Gen Z.
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{\an8}This is gonna cause
the demise of this country.
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{\an8}[announcer]
Lynette Hernandez
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{\an8}has accused her neighbor,
Pamela Jackson,
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{\an8}of defaming her on social media.
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Pamela claims Lynette assaulted her
with a trashcan.
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Okay, how old are you?
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- I'm 27.
- You're 27. Well, that makes sense.
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Is that called Gen X?
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- Is that a Gen X? What is that?
- I think it's a Gen Z.
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- Gen Z? Gen Z.
- Yeah.
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Yes, there's a whole bunch
of entitlements with Gen Z people.
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- Your Honor, I think it's--
- [Judy] Just a second.
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Your Honor, I don't think it's fair
that she has called CPS on me.
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We're not talking about fair.
Right now we're talking about parking.
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Right now we're talking about
what precipitated this bad feeling,
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and I agree with you.
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We'll get to the rest of the harassment.
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But what I'm telling you is,
you're off base here.
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You're not entitled to a public street
parking spot
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that may or may not inconvenience
somebody else.
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You have a spot in front of your house.
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But if the reason you told her
to move her car
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and the people behind is because
you don't like to parallel park,
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that is sort of an entitlement.
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I'm just telling you, Ms. Hernandez,
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that's sort of an entitlement that--
What generation?
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- Gen Z.
- Gen Z.
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This is gonna cause
the demise of this country.
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There is no entitlement to park
right in front of your house.
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Comfortably.
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- Judge, if I might add--
- There's no entitlement to that.
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You wanted that, you should have
bought a house that had a garage.
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If that started the problem,
I'm telling you that you were wrong.
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That doesn't give her license
to do bad things.
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Now, she can call the police
if she thinks that you touched her car,
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which you probably did.
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You didn't damage it,
but you probably touched it
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because you were annoyed,
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because that's a constant source
of irritation.
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No, I did not touch her car.
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[Judy] So I'm not concerned
about calling the police.
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Understand this.
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I'm concerned about calling CPS.
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Because that's one of the issues here.
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And, Ms. Jackson,
I believe, in her answer,
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{\an8}said she did, in fact,
call Child Protective Services.
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{\an8}- And I have evidence why.
- [Judy] Just a second.
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You called Child Protective Services when?
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I made a call in August.
Was it August or September?
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[Judy]
If you don't remember, you don't remember.
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You made a call
to Child Protective Services based on--
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- Two times?
- [Pamela] Twice.
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Well, there was the most recent.
There was three.
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- So the first one--
- [Judy] Just a second.
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So you called Child Protective Services
three times?
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00:16:27,934 --> 00:16:30,834
All three times,
and I've got video evidence to why.
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00:16:30,834 --> 00:16:32,867
Okay, I'd like to see the video evidence.
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00:16:32,867 --> 00:16:35,967
[Pamela] Ashley, pull that up.
One of them has to do with the fact
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she was inside,
and I'd been outside changing batteries.
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I went and verified my cameras
picked up the audio.
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She had been yelling at her daughter.
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- Uh, threatened to beat her up.
- Just a second.
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The first time you called
Child Protective Services
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was in August or September of 2022.
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- Correct.
- [Judy] That's what you said.
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Why did you call Child Protective Services
the first time?
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The first time was,
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I saw her kind of shove
her daughter backwards.
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[Judy]
You have that on tape?
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[Pamela]
Did you find the tape on that one?
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- [Ashley] Yes.
- I'd like to see it.
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Your Honor, they did not call CPS
in August.
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Just a second. She says she did.
August or September.
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But she's trying to claim earlier
that I called in February.
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But that wasn't me.
She had another situation going on.
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She even told the cop if it hadn't been
for her telling me not to move my car,
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she wouldn't believe
I was the one that called.
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- Because she called the police on that.
- [Judy] Shh!
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I don't see anything sufficient for you
to call CPS the first time on that.
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That was a motion with her hand.
The child didn't fall.
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{\an8}There had been a bunch of yelling out
before that.
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{\an8}I don't care. That's an overkill.
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What's next?
When's the next time you called?
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The next time I called,
and she's got the video.
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She can pull it up for you.
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She was inside.
I was changing my battery.
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She yelled at her daughter.
399
00:18:07,333 --> 00:18:09,233
- Where was the daughter?
- [Pamela] They were inside.
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- So you heard her yelling at her daughter?
- Heard her yelling at her daughter
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to get down, or next time she does it
she's gonna beat her up,
402
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- and then we heard "break your neck."
- [Judy] Okay.
403
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- And you videoed that?
- [Pamela] Yes.
404
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We even showed that to the police.
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00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:22,400
- [Judy] Okay. I'd like to see.
- Your Honor, it wasn't me.
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Looking at it, I'm-- So far you...
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00:18:29,467 --> 00:18:31,066
[audio hissing]
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00:18:31,834 --> 00:18:32,967
[audio spiking]
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[indistinct recorded speaking]
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You hear anything?
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[children yelling faintly on recording]
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{\an8}Hey...
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{\an8}get your ___ off the couch right now...
414
00:18:51,233 --> 00:18:52,734
{\an8}right now...
415
00:18:52,734 --> 00:18:55,000
{\an8}Do that again I'm going to beat you up...
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{\an8}stop playing with me...
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{\an8}you're going to break
your neck one of those days...
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Yeah. She says, "I'm gonna beat you up,"
419
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and, "If you don't listen,
I'm gonna break your neck."
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00:19:04,967 --> 00:19:05,967
[Judy]
Okay.
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- How old is your daughter?
- [Lynette] That's not me.
422
00:19:07,934 --> 00:19:09,333
- My daughter is 7.
- [Judy] Who is that?
423
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Whose voice is it coming from your house?
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It's not me.
It's the neighbor that was on the corner.
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- [Judy] What?
- That's not me, my daughter's name,
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or my son's name is Cam.
427
00:19:18,166 --> 00:19:20,200
- She said, "Cam, get your..."
- No, she didn't.
428
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,033
You can listen to it again,
and it's gonna say "Cam."
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That's not me.
430
00:19:24,233 --> 00:19:27,066
- [Lyzette] That was the person...
- [Pamela] On that side, nobody has kids.
431
00:19:27,066 --> 00:19:28,233
Yes, they do.
432
00:19:28,233 --> 00:19:29,767
[audio hissing]
433
00:19:30,934 --> 00:19:32,967
[children yelling faintly on recording]
434
00:19:38,500 --> 00:19:39,667
{\an8}Hey
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{\an8}get your ___ off the couch right now...
436
00:19:40,834 --> 00:19:42,333
{\an8}I think she says, "Hey."
437
00:19:42,433 --> 00:19:44,533
{\an8}"Get off the couch right now, right now."
438
00:19:45,367 --> 00:19:47,033
{\an8}"I'm gonna beat you up."
439
00:19:47,033 --> 00:19:48,133
{\an8}"Stop playing."
440
00:19:48,133 --> 00:19:49,300
{\an8}"I'm gonna break your--"
441
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{\an8}Oh, she says,
"You're going to break your neck."
442
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-"You're going to break your neck." Yeah.
-"You're going to break your neck."
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00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,300
- [Judy] Okay.
- That's not me.
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[Judy]
Second time. Just a second.
445
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Second time. Would I, based on that?
446
00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:02,200
She didn't say,
"I'm gonna break your neck."
447
00:20:02,300 --> 00:20:03,834
She said,
"You're gonna break your neck."
448
00:20:03,834 --> 00:20:07,667
After she threatened to beat the child up.
I'm actually a victim of child abuse.
449
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[Judy] I'm sympathetic with that,
and I'm sensitive to that.
450
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I still think that that's a little bit
of overkill, Ms. Jackson.
451
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Let's go further.
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{\an8}[announcer]
To be continued.
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{\an8}[announcer]
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