1 00:00:00,333 --> 00:00:02,166 You were having a party for one of your kids. 2 00:00:02,166 --> 00:00:03,633 - Yes. - You were jumping 3 00:00:03,633 --> 00:00:06,000 with full force on that sprinkler head. 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,033 You say she didn't properly supervise your daughter. 5 00:00:09,033 --> 00:00:09,967 Yes, ma'am. 6 00:00:09,967 --> 00:00:12,567 She doesn't require her supervision. 7 00:00:12,567 --> 00:00:15,367 The landlord is holding her responsible. 8 00:00:15,367 --> 00:00:17,233 She's going to lose her housing. 9 00:00:17,233 --> 00:00:19,900 [narrator] This is Judy Justice. 10 00:00:19,900 --> 00:00:23,367 [theme music playing] 11 00:00:36,133 --> 00:00:40,767 {\an8}[narrator] Kara Simmons is suing her former friend, Jenia Freeman, 12 00:00:40,767 --> 00:00:44,767 for water damage caused by Jenia's 14-year-old daughter. 13 00:00:44,767 --> 00:00:47,467 [bailiff] Court in order. All rise. 14 00:00:49,433 --> 00:00:50,500 Have a seat, please. 15 00:00:51,033 --> 00:00:52,000 - [bailiff] Hello, judge. - [Judy] Hello. 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,033 Case 2180, Simmons versus Freeman. 17 00:00:54,033 --> 00:00:55,166 - Thank you. - You're welcome. 18 00:00:56,867 --> 00:00:59,600 Ms. Simmons, how long have you known Ms. Freeman? 19 00:00:59,700 --> 00:01:02,133 {\an8}I met her in the third grade, 20 00:01:02,133 --> 00:01:05,133 {\an8}um, I've seen her a few times since then. 21 00:01:05,133 --> 00:01:07,834 {\an8}And, you were having a party for one of your kids? 22 00:01:07,834 --> 00:01:09,300 Yes, my oldest son. 23 00:01:09,300 --> 00:01:10,800 - How old is he? - Twelve. 24 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,133 And it was a house party. And, was she invited? 25 00:01:13,133 --> 00:01:16,300 She was invited. I invited everybody from my... 26 00:01:16,300 --> 00:01:17,900 Facebook, my family and my friends. 27 00:01:17,900 --> 00:01:20,667 - How many people did you have? - There was about ten kids that came. 28 00:01:20,667 --> 00:01:24,633 And one of those children was the defendant's daughter, who was 14? 29 00:01:24,633 --> 00:01:25,867 At the time, yes. 30 00:01:25,867 --> 00:01:27,433 - [Judy] Is that you? - Yes. 31 00:01:27,433 --> 00:01:29,100 Could you stand up next to your mother? 32 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:31,400 Tell me your first name. 33 00:01:31,867 --> 00:01:33,066 - Niyari. - And, 34 00:01:33,066 --> 00:01:34,734 did you come with one child or more, Ms. Freeman? 35 00:01:34,734 --> 00:01:36,367 - Two. - Your daughter, and who else? 36 00:01:36,367 --> 00:01:37,967 My 11-year-old son. 37 00:01:37,967 --> 00:01:40,800 And at some point in the party, the kids went outside. 38 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,266 Yeah. So, it was inside of a party room 39 00:01:43,266 --> 00:01:45,400 and they were on the second floor and they were able to go play 40 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,367 at the equipment that's on the second floor. 41 00:01:47,367 --> 00:01:48,967 Do you have photographs of the equipment? 42 00:01:48,967 --> 00:01:52,600 I do on my phone. But I have a... a picture of where... 43 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,033 the, um, her daughter was playing at. 44 00:01:55,033 --> 00:01:56,467 Let me see what you have. 45 00:02:03,867 --> 00:02:04,800 OK. 46 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,033 Come up here. 47 00:02:07,633 --> 00:02:09,100 Is this where you were playing? 48 00:02:09,100 --> 00:02:11,433 - Yeah. - [Judy] On the grassy area? 49 00:02:11,433 --> 00:02:15,734 More like, uh, so, it was three of us, we were all sitting right here. 50 00:02:16,100 --> 00:02:19,467 And I just so happened to be, like, more inside of the planter. 51 00:02:19,467 --> 00:02:22,900 I just wanna know whether you were in the planter or outside on this grass. 52 00:02:23,433 --> 00:02:25,600 - In here or out here? - Both. 53 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:26,834 - So you were both? - Yeah. 54 00:02:26,834 --> 00:02:29,133 OK. Now, you can go back. 55 00:02:31,166 --> 00:02:34,367 OK. Just for my information, what were you doing in the planter? 56 00:02:34,367 --> 00:02:36,800 {\an8}Well, more like I was like on top of it, 57 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,367 {\an8}not necessarily in it. I wasn't trying to be in it, but... 58 00:02:39,367 --> 00:02:42,300 my friends were sitting down and they were talking and... 59 00:02:42,300 --> 00:02:44,266 I didn't wanna sit, so I was standing up on it. 60 00:02:44,266 --> 00:02:47,333 Standing up on this is not my question. 61 00:02:47,333 --> 00:02:49,867 Were you in the plant or where the plants were? 62 00:02:49,867 --> 00:02:51,300 - Yes. - Yes. 63 00:02:51,300 --> 00:02:54,433 Well, you knew you weren't supposed to be in the plant or where the plants were. 64 00:02:54,433 --> 00:02:57,166 I mean, you're an intelligent girl, aren't you? 65 00:02:57,166 --> 00:02:59,834 Yeah. So you knew you weren't supposed to be in here. 66 00:02:59,834 --> 00:03:00,934 - Yes. - Yes. 67 00:03:00,934 --> 00:03:02,767 [Judy] Right. OK. That's all. 68 00:03:02,767 --> 00:03:05,467 Ditto. I mean, we're not talking about a homicide here. 69 00:03:05,467 --> 00:03:08,266 We're talking about being some place you're not supposed to be. 70 00:03:08,266 --> 00:03:09,467 In the planter. 71 00:03:09,467 --> 00:03:11,700 - So it was just the three of you outside. - Yes. 72 00:03:11,700 --> 00:03:13,967 The two kids who were sitting on the edge 73 00:03:13,967 --> 00:03:16,200 of this planter, where you're supposed to sit, and you, 74 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,867 {\an8}who were both on the edge and inside the planter. 75 00:03:18,867 --> 00:03:20,233 {\an8}- Yes. - OK. 76 00:03:20,233 --> 00:03:22,300 {\an8}Tell me what happened 77 00:03:22,300 --> 00:03:25,967 with the head of the sprinkler system while you were out there. 78 00:03:25,967 --> 00:03:29,967 So what happened was, we were talking and playing, and I was running around. 79 00:03:29,967 --> 00:03:31,333 So I was going from the... 80 00:03:31,333 --> 00:03:35,233 On top of it, trying to be tall, running off the grass onto that steps, 81 00:03:35,233 --> 00:03:37,033 onto the planter, stuff like that. 82 00:03:37,033 --> 00:03:40,133 And somehow, I'm not really sure, I don't really remember, 83 00:03:40,133 --> 00:03:43,400 but the green thing that was in it, I don't remember what made me notice it, 84 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,233 but I do remember that my foot had made contact with it. 85 00:03:47,233 --> 00:03:50,734 And I started to notice it and I was looking at it, and I was like, 86 00:03:50,734 --> 00:03:53,133 "Something's wrong here." I'd seen the top 87 00:03:53,133 --> 00:03:55,533 to the green thing and I felt like... 88 00:03:55,533 --> 00:03:58,367 {\an8}that may have been me who moved it. 89 00:03:58,367 --> 00:04:00,133 {\an8}So I thought to put it back. 90 00:04:00,133 --> 00:04:03,233 And I was trying to put it back, it was being mad difficult, 91 00:04:03,233 --> 00:04:06,300 so I started jumping on top of it to make sure it stayed on top. 92 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:07,700 [Judy] OK, let's get back to you. 93 00:04:07,700 --> 00:04:10,467 At some point after this happened, you were contacted 94 00:04:10,467 --> 00:04:12,533 by the landlord of your facility. 95 00:04:12,533 --> 00:04:15,834 Yes. But I didn't know that she was outside doing that. 96 00:04:15,834 --> 00:04:17,867 I don't care. She's just acknowledged that she did it. 97 00:04:17,867 --> 00:04:20,066 - Why would that bother you? - It doesn't bother me. 98 00:04:20,066 --> 00:04:21,767 Well, then it's not relevant. 99 00:04:21,767 --> 00:04:23,333 She acknowledged that that's what happened. 100 00:04:23,333 --> 00:04:25,066 She was in the wrong place. 101 00:04:25,066 --> 00:04:27,166 - She... broke something. - [Kara] Mm-hmm. 102 00:04:27,166 --> 00:04:29,200 [Judy] According to her, she tried to fix it 103 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,300 by jumping on it. 104 00:04:30,300 --> 00:04:33,767 Clearly, the wrong thing to do. So, if there was damage as a result of that, 105 00:04:33,767 --> 00:04:36,934 there's no question she's responsible. Since she's a minor, 106 00:04:36,934 --> 00:04:40,533 her mother's responsible. It's that simple. 107 00:04:40,867 --> 00:04:41,934 OK? 108 00:04:42,433 --> 00:04:46,333 Do you have a video of what happened that afternoon? 109 00:04:46,333 --> 00:04:49,066 - Yes. - OK. Can we see that, please? 110 00:04:49,066 --> 00:04:51,734 - This came from security camera? - Yes. 111 00:04:55,967 --> 00:04:58,400 - OK. You were in the white shorts, right? - Yes. 112 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,100 - What are you bending down to pick up? - The top. 113 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,066 - You mean it's that heavy... - [Niyari overlapping] 114 00:05:04,066 --> 00:05:05,834 Shhh... 115 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,834 OK. I got it. Well, you understand, Ms. Freeman, 116 00:05:10,834 --> 00:05:13,867 if Ms. Simmons can establish 117 00:05:13,867 --> 00:05:16,500 that something that your daughter did, 118 00:05:16,500 --> 00:05:19,166 which she did on purpose, 119 00:05:19,166 --> 00:05:21,200 knowing she wasn't supposed to be there, 120 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,633 your responsible for the damage she did 121 00:05:24,633 --> 00:05:28,133 as a result of... that's probably a sprinkler head. 122 00:05:28,133 --> 00:05:30,266 - Do you understand that? - Yes, ma'am. 123 00:05:30,266 --> 00:05:32,967 OK. Because you say in your answer 124 00:05:32,967 --> 00:05:35,100 {\an8}that you left for a period of time 125 00:05:35,100 --> 00:05:37,767 {\an8}and she didn't properly supervise your daughter. 126 00:05:37,767 --> 00:05:39,367 {\an8}- Yes, ma'am. - Well, that's not true. 127 00:05:39,367 --> 00:05:40,900 'Cause your daughter's 14 years old, 128 00:05:40,900 --> 00:05:43,033 she's old enough to be outside unsupervised. 129 00:05:43,033 --> 00:05:45,000 There were younger children out there 130 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,867 who knew enough not to jump around in the planter. 131 00:05:47,867 --> 00:05:50,033 She was the only one who jumped around the planter, 132 00:05:50,033 --> 00:05:52,266 - she was the oldest one out there. - OK. 133 00:05:52,266 --> 00:05:53,300 - Do you understand? - Yeah. 134 00:05:53,300 --> 00:05:56,734 She was supposed to supervise them. If there was a six-year-old who did that, 135 00:05:56,734 --> 00:06:01,300 and she's outside, you would let a 14-year-old take care of a six-year-old. 136 00:06:01,300 --> 00:06:04,767 And she doesn't require her supervision. 137 00:06:05,367 --> 00:06:08,767 And when she had a problem that day, 138 00:06:08,767 --> 00:06:12,600 and clearly it was a problem, with somebody else's property, 139 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,467 when the two of you were home that evening, 140 00:06:14,467 --> 00:06:16,767 - did she tell you she had had a problem? - No, ma'am. 141 00:06:16,767 --> 00:06:18,600 - She didn't tell you anything about it? - No. 142 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,567 - That she broke something? - No, ma'am. 143 00:06:20,567 --> 00:06:22,800 OK. When did she finally tell you she broke something? 144 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,533 When Kara contacted me that the apartments were contacting her, 145 00:06:26,533 --> 00:06:30,533 then I asked her about it, and she told me what she told you. 146 00:06:31,300 --> 00:06:32,333 Great. 147 00:06:32,633 --> 00:06:34,834 Can I see the letter from the complex, please? 148 00:06:44,333 --> 00:06:47,300 {\an8}- Do you know how many children she has? - She has three children. 149 00:06:47,300 --> 00:06:52,767 {\an8}So she's dispossessed from her apartment. That's four people who are homeless. 150 00:06:52,767 --> 00:06:54,900 {\an8}She's gonna lose this housing, unless... 151 00:06:54,900 --> 00:06:57,400 {\an8}she pays the damage that your daughter caused. 152 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,533 {\an8}That doesn't seem reasonable, for her to lose her housing, does it? 153 00:07:00,533 --> 00:07:01,967 {\an8}[narrator] And later today... 154 00:07:01,967 --> 00:07:05,100 {\an8}There's no question in my mind that you left this mess 155 00:07:05,100 --> 00:07:08,367 {\an8}because she was quadrupling your rent. 156 00:07:08,367 --> 00:07:10,266 {\an8}But, you were annoyed... 157 00:07:10,266 --> 00:07:13,066 {\an8}you're still not allowed to leave a place like this. 158 00:07:17,633 --> 00:07:19,467 [theme music playing] 159 00:07:24,300 --> 00:07:28,600 {\an8}[narrator] Kara Simmons claims her former friend, Jenia Freeman, 160 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:33,400 owes for water damage caused by Jenia's 14-year-old daughter. 161 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,867 So, what this says... 162 00:07:37,533 --> 00:07:41,233 is that they looked at this video, 'cause they tried to determine 163 00:07:41,233 --> 00:07:43,100 what caused the leak, 164 00:07:43,934 --> 00:07:47,533 in a "commercial business operating in the building." 165 00:07:47,533 --> 00:07:52,734 "The leak caused substantial damage. $9,927," 166 00:07:52,734 --> 00:07:54,200 to be exact, as a result. 167 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,133 'Cause this was a water pipe, and it was broken. 168 00:07:57,133 --> 00:08:02,734 OK. And it tells her that unless they get these $9,927, 169 00:08:02,734 --> 00:08:04,767 she's going to lose her housing. 170 00:08:04,767 --> 00:08:05,834 - Right? - Yes. 171 00:08:05,834 --> 00:08:07,633 [Judy's hand thudding] Your fault. 172 00:08:07,633 --> 00:08:09,133 What can I tell you? 173 00:08:10,233 --> 00:08:13,133 Don't let your mother answer, I'm asking you. What's the issue? 174 00:08:13,133 --> 00:08:17,700 You caused the damage. Whether you accidentally hit 175 00:08:17,700 --> 00:08:21,734 {\an8}that pipe initially, you knew you shouldn't have been there. 176 00:08:21,734 --> 00:08:25,033 And it's clear that whatever you were doing, 177 00:08:25,033 --> 00:08:28,133 you were jumping with full force, with both feet 178 00:08:28,133 --> 00:08:29,567 on that pipe. 179 00:08:29,567 --> 00:08:31,734 That's clear. You tried to pick it up. 180 00:08:32,166 --> 00:08:34,834 You leaned over at least twice to try to pick it up. 181 00:08:34,834 --> 00:08:36,967 And then put it down, and then stomped on it. 182 00:08:36,967 --> 00:08:39,266 Clearly, you weren't supposed to be there. 183 00:08:39,266 --> 00:08:43,700 The landlord is holding her responsible because, under the terms of her lease, 184 00:08:43,700 --> 00:08:46,800 she's responsible for any damage caused by not only 185 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,967 a member of her household, but an invited guest. 186 00:08:49,967 --> 00:08:51,700 - Do you understand? - Yes. 187 00:08:51,700 --> 00:08:54,700 OK. So, sometimes, if you're acting stupid, 188 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:57,967 nothing happens. Sometimes, if you're acting stupid, 189 00:08:57,967 --> 00:08:59,333 a lot of things happen. 190 00:08:59,333 --> 00:09:01,100 Do you know how many children she has? 191 00:09:01,100 --> 00:09:03,300 - She has three children. - [Judy] They all live at home? 192 00:09:03,300 --> 00:09:05,867 - They are with her, yes. - Yeah. So, 193 00:09:05,867 --> 00:09:09,133 if she's dispossessed from her apartment, 194 00:09:09,133 --> 00:09:11,333 that's four people who are homeless. 195 00:09:11,333 --> 00:09:13,467 She's gonna lose this housing unless... 196 00:09:13,467 --> 00:09:16,133 she pays the damage that your daughter caused. 197 00:09:16,133 --> 00:09:17,700 That doesn't seem reasonable, 198 00:09:17,700 --> 00:09:20,333 - for her to lose her housing, does it? - No, ma'am. 199 00:09:20,333 --> 00:09:22,633 Judgment for the plaintiff, for the amount of 10 thousand dollars. 200 00:09:22,633 --> 00:09:23,867 We're finished. Thank you very much. 201 00:09:23,867 --> 00:09:25,200 [bailiff] This court is adjourned. 202 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,166 {\an8}The truth is, is that you don't host a party and you don't... 203 00:09:28,166 --> 00:09:30,467 {\an8}watch the children that are on your property. 204 00:09:30,467 --> 00:09:33,934 {\an8}They're teenagers. They're old enough to be outside alone. 205 00:09:33,934 --> 00:09:37,734 {\an8}All of those children were in the planter at some point. But it's fine. 206 00:09:37,734 --> 00:09:39,800 {\an8}There were no other children in the planter. 207 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,300 {\an8}I would think that there should've been something for like 208 00:09:42,300 --> 00:09:46,200 {\an8}flood, fire, or earthquake damage in place, so... I don't know. 209 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,066 {\an8}But she should take responsibility for her daughter, that's... 210 00:09:50,066 --> 00:09:51,467 {\an8}not my responsibility. 211 00:09:52,333 --> 00:09:53,667 [Judy] Relatively simple. 212 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,700 You know? I think that there is an age, Sarah, 213 00:09:56,700 --> 00:09:59,166 where, even under these circumstances, 214 00:09:59,166 --> 00:10:01,367 - a child can be out unsupervised. - Mm-hmm. 215 00:10:01,367 --> 00:10:05,133 Certainly, the defendant's defense and her... 216 00:10:05,734 --> 00:10:10,500 answer, said that her daughter was out unsupervised because she left 217 00:10:10,500 --> 00:10:13,066 the party for something for a short period of time. 218 00:10:13,066 --> 00:10:15,367 Well, there's no issue. They're a 14-year-old. 219 00:10:15,367 --> 00:10:17,800 Doesn't need to be constantly supervised. 220 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,900 You usually use a 14-year-old to babysit... 221 00:10:19,900 --> 00:10:22,033 - to supervise other young children. - [Sarah] ...to supervise others. 222 00:10:22,033 --> 00:10:23,800 I do think it was an accident. 223 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,667 I think that she knew she probably wasn't supposed to be in the planter. 224 00:10:26,667 --> 00:10:28,200 But once we saw the video... 225 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,867 It was playful. They were playing a ball from up high, 226 00:10:30,867 --> 00:10:33,834 down low. I understood the situation after we saw it. 227 00:10:33,834 --> 00:10:37,767 You also understood that the stomping full force as a 14-year-old 228 00:10:37,767 --> 00:10:40,100 could do some real damage. Especially inside a planter 229 00:10:40,100 --> 00:10:41,333 that's supposed to be... 230 00:10:41,333 --> 00:10:43,533 - A planter... area... - ...a delicate, untouched area. 231 00:10:43,533 --> 00:10:47,266 So I understood, I think the defendants were in a tough position. 232 00:10:47,266 --> 00:10:48,500 They knew it was their fault. 233 00:10:48,500 --> 00:10:51,066 I appreciated that they took responsibility. 234 00:10:51,066 --> 00:10:53,066 - Well, sort of. The daughter did. - For... did... 235 00:10:53,066 --> 00:10:55,000 The daughter did. I'm not so sure about the mother, but... 236 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,166 I think the mother saw the big price tag attached to the responsibility 237 00:10:58,166 --> 00:11:00,333 - and maybe tried to backtrack a little. - Right. Right. 238 00:11:00,333 --> 00:11:02,467 But, yeah. I mean, accidents... accidents happen. 239 00:11:02,467 --> 00:11:04,233 But there are big consequences 240 00:11:04,233 --> 00:11:05,467 - for... I... - She learned that lesson, 241 00:11:05,467 --> 00:11:07,667 - this young woman today. - I hope that they did. 242 00:11:07,667 --> 00:11:10,266 Case 2185, Francis versus Morris. 243 00:11:10,266 --> 00:11:11,767 All parties please step forward. 244 00:11:11,767 --> 00:11:16,467 {\an8}[narrator] Danielle and Michael Francis are suing their former tenant, 245 00:11:16,467 --> 00:11:20,600 {\an8}Anthony Morris, for property damage and loss of income. 246 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,333 - Ms. Francis? - Yes, ma'am. 247 00:11:22,333 --> 00:11:24,300 - Who is this? - This is my husband. 248 00:11:24,300 --> 00:11:27,467 Well, this has to do with the ownership of a home. 249 00:11:27,467 --> 00:11:30,567 Do you both own the home or just, did you inherit the home? 250 00:11:30,567 --> 00:11:32,367 It doesn't have to do with ownership of the home, 251 00:11:32,367 --> 00:11:34,500 it's a case about property damage. 252 00:11:34,500 --> 00:11:36,133 - I understand that. - Yes, ma'am. 253 00:11:36,133 --> 00:11:37,600 {\an8}- But somebody owns the home. - I do. 254 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,600 {\an8}- Who owns the home, is the question. - I do. 255 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,600 - Not your husband. - Correct. 256 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:42,867 Have a seat. 257 00:11:43,633 --> 00:11:45,100 Let's not confuse it. 258 00:11:45,500 --> 00:11:46,767 Ms. Francis... 259 00:11:46,767 --> 00:11:48,734 - ...you had a brother. - Yes, ma'am. 260 00:11:48,734 --> 00:11:51,000 - Whose name was? - Julius. 261 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,533 - How old was he? - My brother was 38. 262 00:11:53,533 --> 00:11:55,900 - And your brother owned the home. - Yes. 263 00:11:55,900 --> 00:11:57,967 How long did your brother own this home? 264 00:11:57,967 --> 00:12:01,567 He just purchased the home in 2017. 265 00:12:01,567 --> 00:12:03,133 Do you know how much he paid for it? 266 00:12:03,133 --> 00:12:05,400 'Bout $123,000. 267 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,934 - Was there a mortgage on the house? - Yes, ma'am. 268 00:12:08,300 --> 00:12:09,934 How much is left on the mortgage? 269 00:12:09,934 --> 00:12:11,433 Hundred and ten thousand now. 270 00:12:11,433 --> 00:12:13,100 [Judy] Do you know how much it's worth? 271 00:12:13,100 --> 00:12:14,200 - Yes, ma'am. - How much? 272 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,333 It's worth 213,000 now. 273 00:12:16,333 --> 00:12:18,266 - So almost double. - Yes, ma'am. 274 00:12:18,266 --> 00:12:20,900 Now, your brother passed away when? 275 00:12:20,900 --> 00:12:23,300 June of 2020. 276 00:12:23,867 --> 00:12:26,233 - From what? - Uh, pancreatic cancer. 277 00:12:26,233 --> 00:12:28,133 So it was relatively fast. 278 00:12:28,133 --> 00:12:33,133 {\an8}Yes, it was. He was actually diagnosed in, uh... 2019. 279 00:12:33,133 --> 00:12:36,567 So in early 2019 I became his caregiver. 280 00:12:36,567 --> 00:12:41,800 Taking him back and forth to the doctor and chemo visits, as well as my husband. 281 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,266 OK. Now, 282 00:12:43,266 --> 00:12:44,600 {\an8}- Mr. Morris. - Yes, ma'am. 283 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,800 {\an8}You had been a roommate of Julius. 284 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,533 - That is correct. - For how long? 285 00:12:49,533 --> 00:12:51,734 I moved into the house on... 286 00:12:52,133 --> 00:12:55,800 October 19, 2019. 287 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,333 - And you paid rent? - Yes, ma'am. 288 00:12:58,734 --> 00:13:01,467 Now, when Julius got sick, according to what I read, 289 00:13:01,467 --> 00:13:03,567 you never moved into the house with Julius, 290 00:13:03,567 --> 00:13:05,500 you just took him to where he needed to be. 291 00:13:05,500 --> 00:13:07,900 Is that correct? You lived with your husband? 292 00:13:07,900 --> 00:13:10,033 - Yes, ma'am. - You lived with your husband, 293 00:13:10,033 --> 00:13:14,166 and you came as needed to take your brother to medical appointments, etc. 294 00:13:14,166 --> 00:13:16,266 - You lived in the house with him. - Correct. 295 00:13:16,266 --> 00:13:18,467 - Is that correct? - Partially. 296 00:13:18,467 --> 00:13:20,433 What's not partially? 297 00:13:20,433 --> 00:13:23,900 At the end of my brother's illness I moved in with him, because... 298 00:13:23,900 --> 00:13:26,967 - How much before? - Um, I would say... 299 00:13:26,967 --> 00:13:28,600 March of 2020. 300 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,000 So for a couple of months 301 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,033 towards the end, you moved in. But, during the course of the year, 302 00:13:33,033 --> 00:13:34,200 you lived with your husband, 303 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,166 - and you lived in the house with Julius. - Yes, ma'am. 304 00:13:36,166 --> 00:13:38,233 And, when you were living in the house with Julius, 305 00:13:38,233 --> 00:13:40,633 {\an8}did you give any assistance to him? 306 00:13:40,633 --> 00:13:42,200 {\an8}- In any way? - Uh, yes, ma'am. 307 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:43,967 {\an8}I took him to the hospital 308 00:13:43,967 --> 00:13:48,000 several times. I cooked for him, and I pretty much did the chores 309 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,266 and ran errands for him. 310 00:13:49,266 --> 00:13:51,900 Did you know him before you moved into the house? 311 00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:52,934 I did not. 312 00:13:54,066 --> 00:13:55,867 After Julius passed away, 313 00:13:55,867 --> 00:13:58,266 - you inherited the house. - Yes, ma'am. 314 00:13:58,266 --> 00:14:00,200 - Did he have a will? - Yes, ma'am. 315 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,066 And the will specifically gave you the house? 316 00:14:02,066 --> 00:14:04,900 - Yes, ma'am. - And you and the defendant 317 00:14:04,900 --> 00:14:07,500 determined that he would remain a tenant 318 00:14:07,500 --> 00:14:09,700 in June of 2020, is that correct? 319 00:14:09,700 --> 00:14:11,100 That's correct. Yes, ma'am. 320 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:13,633 There came a time when you moved out, Mr. Morris. 321 00:14:13,633 --> 00:14:14,700 Yes, that's correct. 322 00:14:14,700 --> 00:14:17,333 And, what month and year did you move out? 323 00:14:17,333 --> 00:14:20,200 June... 1st, I believe, uh, 324 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,767 - 20... 22. Correct. - [Judy] 22. 325 00:14:22,767 --> 00:14:24,800 And what was the reason that you moved out? 326 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,166 {\an8}I moved out because the rent had gone up for a second time. 327 00:14:28,166 --> 00:14:31,000 What was it when you were living with Julius? 328 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,200 Six hundred and fifty dollars. 329 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,767 [Judy] And then, when Ms. Francis inherited the house, 330 00:14:34,767 --> 00:14:37,133 - did she modify the rent? - She did. 331 00:14:37,133 --> 00:14:38,100 In what month? 332 00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:41,100 I'm not specifically, uh, I can't answer that question. 333 00:14:41,100 --> 00:14:43,133 What did she raise the rent to? 334 00:14:43,133 --> 00:14:45,800 Approximately... $1,200. 335 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,367 - Was that the first increase? - That was. Correct. 336 00:14:48,367 --> 00:14:50,767 How long did that increase stay in place? 337 00:14:50,767 --> 00:14:53,300 That had to be for a year, that was the term of that lease. 338 00:14:53,300 --> 00:14:55,200 And what happened after the year? 339 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,300 - She raised the rent again. - To what? 340 00:14:57,300 --> 00:15:00,600 Well, that's when I... didn't accept that lease, uh... 341 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,266 - [Judy] What did she ask? - 1,575. 342 00:15:03,266 --> 00:15:05,800 - She wanted 1,575? - Yes, ma'am. 343 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,100 And you determined that that was too much rent for you. 344 00:15:08,100 --> 00:15:09,433 - I did. - So, 345 00:15:09,433 --> 00:15:11,667 - you gave notice you were leaving. - I did. 346 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,834 {\an8}She's gonna show me what she considers 347 00:15:16,834 --> 00:15:19,533 {\an8}$5,000 worth of damage to the house. 348 00:15:19,533 --> 00:15:21,300 {\an8}- I wanna see it. - Yes, ma'am. 349 00:15:21,300 --> 00:15:26,033 {\an8}Now I want you to show me what damage you are ascribing to him 350 00:15:26,033 --> 00:15:27,867 {\an8}- from the house. - OK. 351 00:15:27,867 --> 00:15:30,000 {\an8}- I have the pictures here, your Honor. - Okey-dokey. 352 00:15:41,333 --> 00:15:43,600 {\an8}[narrator] Danielle and Michael Francis 353 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,400 {\an8}claim their former tenant, Anthony Morris, 354 00:15:46,834 --> 00:15:49,834 damaged their property while renting from them. 355 00:15:49,834 --> 00:15:51,667 When did you give notice you were leaving? 356 00:15:51,667 --> 00:15:54,233 Thirty days before June 1st. 357 00:15:54,233 --> 00:15:56,133 OK. And when was the lease up? 358 00:15:56,133 --> 00:15:58,133 June 1st, it would expire. 359 00:15:58,133 --> 00:16:01,433 Now, after your brother passed away and you inherited the house 360 00:16:01,433 --> 00:16:04,834 did you maintain the same rent that he was paying to your brother? 361 00:16:04,834 --> 00:16:05,934 - No, ma'am. - Cause they... OK. 362 00:16:05,934 --> 00:16:09,000 {\an8}So, when did you raise his rent and to what amount? 363 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,867 {\an8}I raised the rent in November... 364 00:16:10,867 --> 00:16:13,734 - OK. - ...of 2021. 365 00:16:13,734 --> 00:16:15,734 - To what? - To 1,495. 366 00:16:15,734 --> 00:16:17,600 That was the first time your raised his rent. 367 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,233 - Yes, ma'am. - OK. 368 00:16:19,233 --> 00:16:22,233 And you knew what his rent was when he was living with your brother. 369 00:16:22,233 --> 00:16:23,300 Correct. 370 00:16:23,300 --> 00:16:26,600 And how much was his rent when he was living with your brother? 371 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,367 - It was 625. - So, in fact, 372 00:16:29,367 --> 00:16:32,700 you increased his rent a little over 200%. 373 00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:36,500 Yes, ma'am, your Honor. Can I explain the reason to that? 374 00:16:36,500 --> 00:16:39,834 - No. It's irrelevant what the reason was. - OK. 375 00:16:39,834 --> 00:16:45,166 He was paying rent of six and a quarter, you raised it to fifteen hundred. 376 00:16:45,166 --> 00:16:48,734 Now, at the end of that term, were you going to raise his rent again? 377 00:16:48,734 --> 00:16:50,233 - Yes, ma'am. - Yes. To what? 378 00:16:50,233 --> 00:16:53,734 {\an8}It was gonna be a 80 dollar increase, to 1,575. 379 00:16:53,734 --> 00:16:57,834 {\an8}Now, during that two-month period that you lived in the house, 380 00:16:57,834 --> 00:17:03,000 you had no issue with regard to the way Mr. Morris maintained the house, 381 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,467 while you were living there with your brother. 382 00:17:05,467 --> 00:17:09,934 And that fact is buttressed by the fact that you maintained him as a tenant. 383 00:17:09,934 --> 00:17:11,033 - Right? - Correct. 384 00:17:11,033 --> 00:17:14,967 OK. So you saw the way that he maintained the house, 385 00:17:14,967 --> 00:17:17,533 and having seen that, you continued him as a tenant. 386 00:17:17,533 --> 00:17:18,467 Correct. 387 00:17:18,467 --> 00:17:21,700 And you raised his rent substantially, and he paid that rent. 388 00:17:21,700 --> 00:17:22,633 Correct. 389 00:17:22,633 --> 00:17:28,166 And he paid that rent sufficiently so that you were prepared to re-rent him 390 00:17:28,567 --> 00:17:31,166 the house, but you just wanted a little more money. 391 00:17:31,166 --> 00:17:32,500 - Correct. - Correct. 392 00:17:32,500 --> 00:17:35,133 Now, now he moves out on June 1st 393 00:17:35,133 --> 00:17:36,734 - of this year. - Mm-hmm. 394 00:17:36,734 --> 00:17:40,066 And now you say that he caused 395 00:17:40,066 --> 00:17:43,367 almost $5,000 worth of damage. 396 00:17:43,367 --> 00:17:45,734 And, because he had damaged, 397 00:17:45,734 --> 00:17:48,467 you lost income, 'cause you couldn't rerent the house. 398 00:17:48,467 --> 00:17:50,834 - Correct. - He... you moved out in... 399 00:17:50,834 --> 00:17:53,200 - June of 2020? - Yes, ma'am. 400 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,500 You have a new tenant in the house. 401 00:17:55,500 --> 00:17:56,767 Yes, ma'am. I do now. 402 00:17:56,767 --> 00:17:58,900 And how much rent is she paying? 403 00:17:58,900 --> 00:18:02,100 She is paying 2,200 a month. 404 00:18:02,100 --> 00:18:04,300 And when did her lease start? 405 00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:06,100 Her lease started in September. 406 00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:10,233 So, uh, your premises was not rented 407 00:18:10,233 --> 00:18:11,700 - for two months. - Correct. 408 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:14,767 And when it was rented, from the two-year period of time 409 00:18:14,767 --> 00:18:18,734 between your brother's death and your re-renting the house, 410 00:18:18,734 --> 00:18:21,367 the rent went from six and a quarter 411 00:18:21,367 --> 00:18:23,433 - to 2,200. - Yes, ma'am. 412 00:18:23,433 --> 00:18:25,567 Doesn't sound like you're losing any money. 413 00:18:25,567 --> 00:18:26,967 - Well, there's a... OK. - Just a second. 414 00:18:26,967 --> 00:18:29,600 Doesn't sound like you're losing any money. 415 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,300 So I'm not interested in the loss of income that you had, 416 00:18:32,300 --> 00:18:33,700 you had no loss of income. 417 00:18:33,700 --> 00:18:36,967 Anybody who's leasing the house can't rent from June 1st. 418 00:18:36,967 --> 00:18:39,433 House has to be painted, normal wear and tear, 419 00:18:39,433 --> 00:18:42,800 you may have to redo carpeting. That's the normal wear and tear. 420 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,100 Had to be done, cause that's what you do when you wanna get $2,200 rent 421 00:18:46,100 --> 00:18:47,467 from somebody for a house. 422 00:18:47,467 --> 00:18:49,567 You have to paint it up, you have to freshen it up, 423 00:18:49,567 --> 00:18:51,467 you have to do all of those things. 424 00:18:51,467 --> 00:18:54,600 So what I want to see from you are photographs 425 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,834 {\an8}of what... other than cleaning out the house, 426 00:18:57,834 --> 00:19:01,066 {\an8}which Mr. Morris acknowledges, 427 00:19:01,066 --> 00:19:03,800 for whatever reason, there was stuff left in the house. 428 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,200 - Correct, sir? - Yes, ma'am. 429 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,266 - That belonged to you. - Yes, ma'am. 430 00:19:07,266 --> 00:19:10,133 - And that you didn't clean out. - I did not. 431 00:19:10,133 --> 00:19:12,467 Now, you left on June 1st. 432 00:19:12,467 --> 00:19:15,500 And I'm telling her that she's gonna show me 433 00:19:15,500 --> 00:19:19,633 what she considers $5,000 worth of damage to the house. 434 00:19:19,633 --> 00:19:21,133 - I wanna see it. - Yes, ma'am. 435 00:19:21,133 --> 00:19:24,033 You agree that you left some stuff in the house. 436 00:19:24,033 --> 00:19:27,800 She probably has a bill for cleaning out some of that stuff 437 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,500 that she's entitled to. 438 00:19:29,500 --> 00:19:35,333 Now I want you to show me what damage you are describing to him from the house. 439 00:19:35,333 --> 00:19:36,266 OK. 440 00:19:36,266 --> 00:19:38,133 - I have the pictures here, your Honor. - Okey-dokey. 441 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,033 Um, also, can I present an evidence? 442 00:19:43,033 --> 00:19:48,200 What the room that the defendant rented out, what it looked like 443 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,900 prior to the damages? 444 00:19:49,900 --> 00:19:52,967 No. I don't see any damages, I see mess. 445 00:19:52,967 --> 00:19:54,700 There's pictures in there, your Honor. 446 00:19:54,700 --> 00:19:56,200 - I'm looking. - Just, uh... 447 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,767 The carpet was damaged very badly. 448 00:19:58,767 --> 00:20:01,867 He messed up my mattress in my second bedroom. 449 00:20:01,867 --> 00:20:04,967 The doors was damaged. He actually changed the lock 450 00:20:04,967 --> 00:20:08,133 on the second bedroom door and the master room bedroom door 451 00:20:08,133 --> 00:20:10,266 - without my... uh... - Do you see all this stuff? 452 00:20:10,266 --> 00:20:11,233 - Shhh... Just a second. - Yes, ma'am. 453 00:20:11,233 --> 00:20:12,867 - This is all your junk, right? - Yes, ma'am. 454 00:20:12,867 --> 00:20:16,166 OK. So you should have a substantial bill 455 00:20:16,166 --> 00:20:18,600 - for cleaning and getting rid of this. - Yes. 456 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:19,867 I'd like to see it. 457 00:20:23,133 --> 00:20:24,166 Here you go. 458 00:20:30,467 --> 00:20:33,367 [Judy] So you paid $760. 459 00:20:33,367 --> 00:20:36,100 to clean out the house, make it move-in clean. 460 00:20:36,633 --> 00:20:38,867 - Yes, ma'am. - That's what you're entitled to, 461 00:20:38,867 --> 00:20:40,166 Ms. Francis. 462 00:20:40,166 --> 00:20:42,533 Seven hundred and sixty dollars. You can't leave a place like that. 463 00:20:42,533 --> 00:20:45,633 Also, your Honor, um, I had other damages as well. 464 00:20:45,633 --> 00:20:48,300 - My microwave was broken. - I don't know who broke that. 465 00:20:48,300 --> 00:20:51,367 - And you don't know. I don't. Who knows. - It was working when he was there. 466 00:20:51,367 --> 00:20:53,333 {\an8}May have been working, may have been not working. 467 00:20:53,333 --> 00:20:56,567 {\an8}Everything was in top-notch condition. From appliances, 468 00:20:56,567 --> 00:20:59,734 to flooring, when Mr. Morris was at the house. 469 00:20:59,734 --> 00:21:01,500 So he broke my microwave. 470 00:21:01,500 --> 00:21:02,934 - Fix it. - I have fixed it 471 00:21:02,934 --> 00:21:05,400 and I'm asking for the cost of a replacement for a new one. 472 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,000 - No, way. - Why not? 473 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:12,367 Because I'm not convinced, madam, that somebody who, according to you, 474 00:21:12,834 --> 00:21:16,633 helped you with your brother, was there and supportive, 475 00:21:16,633 --> 00:21:18,667 for the last year of his life... 476 00:21:18,667 --> 00:21:20,767 He certainly left a mess. 477 00:21:20,767 --> 00:21:23,467 {\an8}- Which you're not supposed to do, sir. - I understand. 478 00:21:23,467 --> 00:21:25,033 {\an8}You're not supposed to leave a mess. 479 00:21:25,033 --> 00:21:26,967 {\an8}- And this is clearly a mess. And... - Mm-hmm. 480 00:21:26,967 --> 00:21:30,066 ...there's no question in my mind that you left this mess 481 00:21:30,066 --> 00:21:33,700 because she was quadrupling your rent. 482 00:21:33,700 --> 00:21:35,700 But to her, this is a business. 483 00:21:35,700 --> 00:21:37,700 And she's not living there with her husband, 484 00:21:37,700 --> 00:21:40,600 this has now become a business investment. 485 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:41,967 - Yeah. - [Judy] Her investment 486 00:21:41,967 --> 00:21:45,133 increased in value. It was really Julius' investment, 487 00:21:45,133 --> 00:21:47,233 but it increased in real estate value. 488 00:21:47,233 --> 00:21:50,700 And instead of seeing $600 a month, which probably doesn't cover 489 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:54,000 the taxes and mortgage, she now has a profit. 490 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,533 Because she's now getting $2,200 a month from somebody 491 00:21:57,533 --> 00:21:59,767 and that covers, of course, her mortgage 492 00:21:59,767 --> 00:22:01,734 and whatever taxes they are. 493 00:22:01,734 --> 00:22:03,033 You were annoyed. 494 00:22:03,367 --> 00:22:05,834 You're still not allowed to leave a place like this. 495 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,633 Seven hundred and sixty dollars. Judgment for the plaintiff. 496 00:22:08,633 --> 00:22:10,500 - We're done. - This court is adjourned. 497 00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:13,200 {\an8}It's kinda upsetting, because the defendant really 498 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,800 {\an8}trashed my brother's house, given that... 499 00:22:16,100 --> 00:22:17,900 {\an8}uh, we considered him like family. 500 00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:22,266 {\an8}I was like family with him, I took care of the brother for a long period of time. 501 00:22:22,266 --> 00:22:23,767 {\an8}I wouldn't have left the house like that. 502 00:22:23,767 --> 00:22:27,333 {\an8}And for him to turn around and do this, and cause all those damages 503 00:22:27,333 --> 00:22:30,400 {\an8}and then get off scot-free... is... is heartbreaking. 504 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,600 {\an8}Number one, there were no damages. 505 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:33,900 {\an8}You know what? Um... 506 00:22:33,900 --> 00:22:36,967 {\an8}Nothing good ever comes to someone who does people like this. 507 00:22:36,967 --> 00:22:40,266 {\an8}Money does change people, and so, you have to be careful. 508 00:22:40,266 --> 00:22:41,967 {\an8}Be careful who you rent to. 509 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,567 So I just did some research on the home while we were out there, 510 00:22:45,567 --> 00:22:47,667 and I found some interesting information 511 00:22:47,667 --> 00:22:50,066 just based on some of the plaintiff's claims. 512 00:22:50,066 --> 00:22:53,533 So I did find that the house was sold to the brother in 2017 513 00:22:53,533 --> 00:22:55,533 for 123,000. 514 00:22:55,533 --> 00:23:00,500 But the plaintiff listed the home for rent for the first time 515 00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:03,533 July 22nd for $2,300. 516 00:23:03,533 --> 00:23:05,400 Listed for rent, when she became the owner. 517 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:06,834 And he moved out in June. 518 00:23:06,834 --> 00:23:07,767 - Beginning of June. - In June. 519 00:23:07,767 --> 00:23:10,633 So her claim for lost income doesn't really make sense 520 00:23:10,633 --> 00:23:12,667 because she had it listed, on Zillow, at least. 521 00:23:12,667 --> 00:23:15,467 I'm not sure. It could've been listed before then, that's just when Zillow 522 00:23:15,467 --> 00:23:16,667 - picked up on it. I'm not sure... - Picked it up. 523 00:23:16,667 --> 00:23:18,266 ...how their algorithms work, but... 524 00:23:18,266 --> 00:23:20,667 She was unable to get the 2,300, 525 00:23:20,667 --> 00:23:23,934 presumably, because she reduced it to 2,200 dollars 526 00:23:23,934 --> 00:23:26,066 in August of 2022. 527 00:23:26,066 --> 00:23:30,233 And then it was removed later in August at that 2,200 dollar mark. 528 00:23:30,233 --> 00:23:32,066 - Presumably, whoever, the new tenant... - Who currently... 529 00:23:32,066 --> 00:23:33,467 ...that she now has. 530 00:23:33,467 --> 00:23:35,533 - So she had no real lost income. - Exactly. 531 00:23:35,533 --> 00:23:39,667 She had the month of maybe July, but, if you have a tenant moving out June 1st, 532 00:23:39,667 --> 00:23:42,166 you give yourself two-weeks notice as a landlord anyway 533 00:23:42,166 --> 00:23:44,200 to make the necessary painting... 534 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,367 - Sometimes it takes a little bit... - Exactly, 535 00:23:46,367 --> 00:23:49,600 and you don't find the tenant right away. So, based on that, I... 536 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,200 wouldn't have given her any lost... 537 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,567 - Any lost income. - ...income. 538 00:23:52,567 --> 00:23:54,500 From the pro... He left the house a mess. 539 00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:56,533 He did. He left boxes, he acknowledged it. 540 00:23:56,533 --> 00:23:58,734 He left the place a mess. He left food in the refrigerator. 541 00:23:58,734 --> 00:24:00,633 And there's no way in one day 542 00:24:00,633 --> 00:24:02,800 - which he says he was gonna... - He was gonna move all that himself. 543 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,767 move all that stuff out. He was annoyed. 544 00:24:04,767 --> 00:24:06,367 Then you can't leave stuff... 545 00:24:06,367 --> 00:24:07,300 - True. - ...that way. 546 00:24:07,300 --> 00:24:09,300 - So she got her clean-up bill. - Yeah. 547 00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:10,667 - All she was entitled to. - Fair. 548 00:24:12,266 --> 00:24:16,000 [narrator] Want justice? Go to JudyJustice.tv.