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{\an8}- You have a daycare center.
- Correct.
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You found that the baby
was bitten by her little one?
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Yes, ma'am.
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I think they're supposed
to be separated, correct?
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She left out of the room
is what she told me, judge.
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There's only one me.
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It's a big responsibility
to take care of little children.
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This is Judy Justice.
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Shanece Grimm is suing
her client, Dallas Lee,
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{\an8}for child services, late fees,
and property damage.
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Court come to order. All rise.
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Have a seat, please.
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Hello, judge.
Case 2175, Grimm versus Lee.
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Thank you very much.
You're welcome.
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- Ms. Grimm, in what state do you live?
- Missouri.
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In what county?
- Jackson.
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- You have a daycare center.
- An in-home childcare, yes.
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For how long?
- I started September of 2022.
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What is your house like?
- I have a single family home
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with a finished basement
and then, like, an attic type...
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it's two bedrooms.
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House has two bedrooms?
- No, up in the attic has two bedrooms
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{\an8}It's technically a three bedroom house
but it has made six rooms.
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And how many children do you have?
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I currently have seven.
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How old are they?
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Fourteen, thirteen, eleven,
eight, five, and three,
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and eighteen months.
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Three and eighteen months?
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I'm sorry, she's four now,
she just turned four.
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So the older ones go to school.
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Does the five year old go to school?
Yes.
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And the eight year old
goes to school.
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- Correct.
- So you have two little ones at home.
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My four year old goes
to early childhood half the day.
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So you have one child
at home during the day?
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Correct.
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- And one half a day?
- Yes.
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And you have three children?
- Yes, ma'am.
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How old are they?
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{\an8}I now have a three year old,
a one year old, and a five month old.
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And those were the children
you enrolled in her daycare center?
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Yes, ma'am.
Ms. Grimm,
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what kind of licensing do you have,
an application that you have to make
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in order to run an in-home
daycare center in Missouri?
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So in the state of Missouri,
as long as you have under six children,
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you do not have to have a license.
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As long as you have six children
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- in total in the house? Or 6 children...
- That I'm watching.
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That you're watching.
- Correct.
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Cause my school children
are not considered watching,
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like, under the law.
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Well, you certainly have to watch
your eighteen month old.
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Yes, he's the only one, that's why
I've always kept five children or less.
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It is you claim that Ms. Lee
entered her children into your program,
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she paid you for a certain period of time,
she owes you for two weeks.
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- Correct.
- And were those two weeks
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two weeks that her children
were actually in care?
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Correct.
Which two weeks were those?
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They are the last two weeks of October.
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Of 2022?
- Correct.
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And the children were in your program?
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Correct.
Ms. Lee,
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were the children in Ms. Grimm's program
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the last two weeks in October?
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Yes, ma'am, they were.
Did you pay her
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for the last two weeks in October?
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No, ma'am, I did not.
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How much were you
supposed to pay her?
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For the last two weeks was supposed
to be $600,
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because our agreement
was 600 every two weeks.
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Okay, so it was supposed to be $600.
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Yes, ma'am.
So now the ball is in your court.
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So far, Ms. Grimm,
we're not talking about a late fee,
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we're just talking about these two weeks.
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- Correct.
- First, tell me your reason
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for removing the children.
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{\an8}I removed my children out of her care
because my children,
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{\an8}every time that I picked them up,
it was either they were harmed,
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{\an8}or injured, or my son,
my three year old, would tell me
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something had happened while
I was gone at work in her care.
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My son had told me
on numerous accounts
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that she hit him herself,
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and that he also told me that
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her 15-year-old son-- or 14, I'm sorry--
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had also spanked him.
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And when I did ask him, well,
I asked her, actually,
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I said "who is Trey?"
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{\an8}Because he said, "Mommy, Trey hit me."
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{\an8}We were getting in the car,
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they normally do help me
get in the car with my three children,
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seeing I have one who's barely walking...
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You're getting, you're going
all over the place.
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Yes, ma'am. So they normally
help me get in the car with my children
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so they were outside with us,
and my son said
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"Mommy, Trey hit me like this."
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I didn't know any Trey,
so I asked her, "Who is Trey?"
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And she said, "That's my son,"
and he said, "That's me,"
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he was standing right there next to her,
he said, "I'm Trey."
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And I said,
"Bryson said that you hit him,"
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and he said "Yes, I hit Bryson."
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{\an8}He said, "I popped him
because Bryson wasn't doing right,
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{\an8}Bryson didn't wanna go to timeout."
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{\an8}On what day was that?
That was on October 25th.
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And what was the last day
that your children attended?
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- October 27th.
- Okay, so despite the fact
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- that Trey... You're Trey?
- Yes, ma'am.
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Slapped the three year old,
said that he slapped the three year old...
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Mm-hmm.
- You let him stay there
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for an extra two days?
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Yes, ma'am.
Just, it's that... Yes.
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Now, where were you working
that you had your children in daycare?
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I was working as a CNA.
What is that?
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A certified nurses assistant.
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- Where?
- It's a, um, rehab...
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- Nursing home?
- Yes, ma'am.
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When did you start working there?
- I started working there in September.
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September of 2022?
- Yes, ma'am.
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Beginning of September?
Yes, ma'am.
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And when did you stop working there?
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I stopped working there October 27th.
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That was my last day.
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If I were to call, would they tell me
that they terminated you or you quit?
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I quit.
Did you quit on the 27th?
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Yes, ma'am.
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And what about now,
are you working?
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- I am.
- Who're you working for?
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I work through a temp agency,
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working per diem
at different locations as a CNA.
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And who takes care of your children?
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My stepmom. My children, I...
Just a second.
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And when did you start that job?
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I started that job about four weeks ago.
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So in December.
Yes, ma'am.
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Late November or so.
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{\an8}You left the children there
until the end of October.
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{\an8}It couldn't have been
so disturbing for you, madam,
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{\an8}to leave the children there until
the end of October, another six weeks,
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{\an8}if you felt as if they weren't
getting adequate care.
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{\an8}And if you did, that would be on you!
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Shanece Grimm claims
her client, Dallas Lee,
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{\an8}refused to pay for childcare services.
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Dallas is counter-suing for lost wages
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and emotional distress.
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So a relative has been taking care
of your children.
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Yes, ma'am. Not all three of them.
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I had to send my two sons,
because I had to rearrange
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my daycare situation, I had to send them
back to Texas to be with their dad.
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So two of them went back to their father.
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Yes, ma'am.
And who do you live with here?
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{\an8}I live with my dad.
What does he do?
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My dad is a nuclear medicine technologist.
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{\an8}So your step mom takes care
of one of the children...
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My five-month-old daughter. Yes, ma'am.
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Who's in the house.
- Mm-hmm.
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Now you're gonna tell me why
you didn't pay her for the last two weeks.
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So, my children began
in her care September 12th.
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{\an8}September 13th she sent me
a text message while I was at work,
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{\an8}and she said, "I want to let you know
little mama was bit today
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by my one year old on her cheek."
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She sent me a picture, I have this.
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Not interested.
It's not that I'm disinterested,
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it's that, don't show me anything
from September, madam,
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you kept your children
with her into October,
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and through the end of October.
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And if anything was so concerning to you
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that you thought your children
would be at risk, I'm certain that you
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would've discussed it with your father,
and your father would've said to you...
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May I?
Don't speak.
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Okay.
And your father would've said
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to you, if you have a problem
with the children,
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don't let them stay there.
What you did...
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Okay, I can see that you're dying
to tell me something, what?
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Yes, ma'am.
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{\an8}My daughter had no other choice
but to keep her children in care,
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{\an8}because I work a full time job.
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Let me explain something to you, sir.
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Your daughter was living with you?
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Yes, ma'am.
Right.
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There is always an alternative, sir.
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I have young grandchildren,
and I would say
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if I was legitimate, legitimately
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concerned for their health and safety,
I don't care what it is,
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stay home and take care of your children,
you'll have a roof over your head
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until you find appropriate daycare.
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And if didn't do that,
then you're not much of a grandfather.
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Well...
You can't use
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something that happened in September
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or early October to say, "Well, that's why
I didn't pay the last two weeks."
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- May I speak?
- You can't make,
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you can't make excuses, sir,
I'm telling you. I'm a grandmother,
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and I've had little children,
I don't care what you had to do,
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quit my job, whatever that job is,
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and say, well I'll stay home and take care
of the children until you find,
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or you stay home
and take care of the children,
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I'll provide you with whatever basics
you need until you get the right daycare.
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And if you didn't do that, don't tell me
that your daughter didn't have a choice.
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- There is always a choice...
- She did not have a choice.
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...where your babies are concerned.
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In our estimation, at that time,
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we were giving her some hard life lessons,
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cause she does now have three children,
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and there are gonna be some difficulties
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in this living situation,
and there are gonna be some things.
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So what we were doing, we were giving her
some tough love, and saying
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"Hey, you cannot give up
just because the chips are down
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or because things happened,
you gotta try to figure things out."
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Well that would be on you,
that's not on her.
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This is not her daughter,
it's your daughter.
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Absolutely.
And your grandchildren, sir.
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Absolutely.
And if you wanna teach her
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some real hard lessons, and say,
"You've gotta stay with the daycare
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even though you're dissatisfied..."
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We said, "Give her a chance,"
cause it was the first day.
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It was the first incident, the first day,
we said "Give her a chance."
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Things happen sometimes.
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What I don't want to hear is from you,
who seemed like a very intelligent man...
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Yes, ma'am.
... a working man,
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is my daughter had no choice.
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Your daughter has a choice.
Her choice is to say to you,
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"Dad, please, I have to find
the right daycare,
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I have to stop working at this job.
I may need a month."
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You may not have liked
her previous irresponsible behavior...
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- Right?
- Correct.
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But the deed is done.
She's got three young children.
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Beautiful children.
Right?
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So what you do is, when you have
three young beautiful children
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you protect them. Absolutely.
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And if you're not smart enough
to protect them yourself
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you gotta rely on your father
who's smart enough to do that.
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What I'm saying to you is,
your daughter used this lady's services
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and she has to pay for it.
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She may not send her children back,
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but your statement that you were
so anxious to make to me,
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which is, "My daughter had no choice..."
She did have a choice, sir.
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She did have a choice.
Before I would let my children
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stay in a place
where I actually believed,
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believed that they were being abused,
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cause that's what she's suggesting--
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I mean, she's not suggesting
that this young man, who I'm not condoning
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{\an8}hitting a three year old,
gave him a slap on the rear end,
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{\an8}I'm not condoning that,
but there were no injuries to him,
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I don't know whether you've done it,
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I don't know whether
she's done it to her child
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you certainly don't want
a daycare provider's child
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to discipline a three year old... Absolutely.
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That's not what it's about.
- But after the first incident
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what we were trying to teach her is that
you don't just throw in the towel,
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because Ms. Grimm was just starting
her service up, and...
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- September 5th.
- ...So we understand that
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there are gonna be some hiccups
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and some things that she has to fix
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- as she comes across them.
- Mm-hmm.
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So, she's a young lady,
my daughter's a young lady,
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so as an older man,
I'm trying to support two individuals
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to build their lives up.
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And so I told my daughter,
"I don't like that she was bitten,
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but at least she came forward
very quickly and told you,
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so leave them there for now,
and if anything else transpires,
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then we can start to look at things then."
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- Yes, ma'am.
- Who do you work for, sir?
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I work for the Veteran's Administration.
And how long have you worked
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for the Veteran's Administration?
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Twenty-one years.
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Do you get paid every two weeks?
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Yes, ma'am.
Let's say your boss
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at the VA all of a sudden decided
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they didn't like the work you were doing.
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And you left and they owed
you two weeks pay,
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cause you had actually worked
for the two weeks.
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Absolutely.
And you sued them
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for those two weeks.
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Mm-hmm.
You worked there.
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Say, "well, we didn't like the quality
oh his work for those two weeks."
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Well, then you fire him,
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but you pay him.
It's like going to a restaurant.
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My favorite analogy is,
you go into your favorite restaurant
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where you get a steak.
Mm-hmm.
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And you order a steak medium,
Pittsburgh medium.
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Steak comes, you cut into it,
you take a bite.
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"Oh my god," you say, "I don't like
the way this tastes."
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You take the plate, you spit out
the bite if you're smart,
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call the waiter over and say,
"This is a bad steak."
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- Right?
- Absolutely.
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And the waiter takes it off
the bill or you order something else.
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Now, you cut into that same steak,
you taste, you say, "This tastes terrible,
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maybe the next bite will taste better."
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Before you know it,
you've finished the whole steak.
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Waiter comes over
to take your clean plate,
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you say, "The steak was awful,
I didn't like it. It was bad."
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Well, what'd you eat it for?
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But if you ate the steak,
you gotta pay for it.
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If you take a bite and say it's no good,
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I'm in your corner, send it back.
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But your daughter ate the steak.
She used her services for two weeks.
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And didn't pay her.
Well, we can't say
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that she used her services.
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Because there are other pieces
of evidence that we have.
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She didn't... You mean, you're talking
about that sometimes she left the children
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with her husband?
Yeah.
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Yeah, baloney.
Your daughter had the benefit
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of daycare so that she could work.
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{\an8}If you're not satisfied with a service
you stop using the service.
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{\an8}If you continue to use the service despite
the fact that you're not satisfied with it
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{\an8}you gotta pay for it. That's America.
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{\an8}You got paid, your father got paid,
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{\an8}she gets paid.
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Shanece Grimm has accused
her client, Dallas Lee,
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{\an8}of refusing to pay for childcare services.
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Dallas claims Shanece wrongfully
disciplined and neglected her children.
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Your daughter had the benefit of daycare
so that she could work.
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Absolutely.
And she had the benefit
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of daycare from this lady
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that enabled your daughter
to make money...
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But if we're talking breach of contract,
the contract was breached
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when the husband watched the child, and...
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Now you're not teaching
your daughter responsibility.
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Now you're making excuses.
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Now you're not teaching
your daughter responsibility.
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Your daughter worked to make money.
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You worked those last two weeks,
didn't stay home with your grandchildren.
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- You made money.
- Absolutely.
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The only one that didn't make money,
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and had her three children
for those two weeks, was the plaintiff.
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She ate the steak, she used the service.
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She didn't have anybody else. It's not
as if, well, I had to hire somebody else
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to take care of the kids the last
two weeks even though it was in my deal,
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so that's why I'm not paying.
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She worked, you worked, she worked!
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And if her husband, if she ran out
to the store and left her husband,
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unless you're telling me that that was
such a breach of the agreement
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that your daughter took the children
out of her program.
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Did she? No. She did not.
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She didn't say,
"I'm not allowing your husband
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to take care of my children,
even if it's just for an hour.
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I'm taking my children
out of the program.
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Dad, can you help me out
for the next couple of weeks
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until I find something else?"
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But you can't eat the steak,
which she did. Now you can sit down.
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- Can I say one more thing?
- Not if you wanna continue
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to look foolish. Now you're not teaching
her responsibility.
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- Well...
- Now you're not
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teaching her responsibility.
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I don't wanna have
to teach you responsibility.
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Well, you don't have to. I'm a veteran,
I know what responsibility is.
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{\an8}But when you are promoting
your program as one thing
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but your service is another,
I cannot say that...
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If Bobby Flay is cooking the steak...
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It doesn't matter who's cooking the steak.
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It was whether you ate the steak.
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- It's whether you ate the steak.
- I get what you're saying, judge,
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but if it's promoted
as Bobby Flay cooking it,
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and Bob Herbert cooked it,
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and I don't like the taste,
then those are two separate things.
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Just a second. Oh, no, no, no sir.
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If you're promoting Bobby Flay
as cooking the steak, or the hamburger,
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and you find out Bobby Flay's
younger brother was cooking the steak,
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- or was cooking the burger...
- Mm-hmm.
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And, either way, if the burger's
no good you're not gonna eat it.
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But you can't eat it and say,
"Well, I really thought I was getting
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a Bobby Flay hamburger,
and I didn't get a Bobby Flay hamburger
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so I'm not gonna pay for it.
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Even though I ate it.
Now you can sit down.
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How much is two weeks worth of care, $600?
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Yes, ma'am.
Judgement for the plaintiff $600.
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You have a counter claim.
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Counter claim is ridiculous.
"Money owed for lost wages,
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emotional distress
on behalf of the children."
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You shouldn't have emotional distress
on behalf of the children, madam,
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{\an8}you're their mother.
The first time
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{\an8}you had an inkling that you felt
that your children, your young children,
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were being neglected
in the plaintiff's care,
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what you should've done was remove them.
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Remove them.
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First time you felt as if three year old
shouldn't have been subject of a slap
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by this young man? Great, remove them.
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You found that the baby, the little one,
was bitten by her little one?
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You say, "That's not watching
them carefully enough,"
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cause they, I think, are supposed
to be separated, correct?
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- Yes.
- No, we're all in one room,
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so they weren't happen to be separated,
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{\an8}'cause with me only having
less than four children
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{\an8}there was no way of separating,
cause there was only one me.
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It's a big responsibility
to take care of little children.
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Correct.
My daughter shouldn't have been
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in his reach. She did tell me...
I absolutely agree with you.
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She left out of the room
is what she told me, judge.
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So that's actually not true. She told me
that she left out of the room
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and went to the kitchen.
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What day. Give me the date
that that happened.
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September 13th.
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You left the children there
until the end of October.
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It couldn't have been
so disturbing for you, madam,
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to leave the children there until the end
of October, another six weeks,
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if you felt as if
they weren't getting adequate care.
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And if you did, that would be on you!
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And maybe a little bit on your father,
because if you told him about it,
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said, "Oh my god, that's terrible,
take my child out right away,
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all three of 'em," but you didn't.
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You left them in there September 13th,
14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th,
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all the way up to the end of September
and the end of October.
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That's on you.
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Actually, she did not have them
in the end of September
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'cause she was suspended from her job.
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So they were gone for two weeks
in September.
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Were you suspended from your job?
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I was. I had...
Just, just... That's my question.
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You were suspended from your job.
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When you were suspended from your job,
did you take the children out of daycare?
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Yes, ma'am.
Okay, and that's reasonable.
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She didn't give you a problem
with that, I assume.
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No.
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And you didn't pay for those two weeks.
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I did not.
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Great, well these two weeks
you're gonna pay for, because...
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I don't believe I owe her anything.
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I don't care what you believe.
If you're not listening
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to what I'm saying to you
and you're fixed in your opinion
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that means you haven't learned anything.
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Your father tried to teach you
a little bit of tough love.
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What I'm telling you is,
if you work you get paid.
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If you're not satisfied with the service,
you stop using the service.
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If you continue to use the service
despite the fact
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that you're not satisfied with it
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you gotta pay for it. That's America.
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You got paid, your father got paid,
she gets paid.
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00:19:06,333 --> 00:19:09,000
She didn't get paid for the two weeks
you took your kids out,
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didn't say to you,
"Well, you have to pay me anyway,
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I have to keep this open for you."
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That was very fair.
431
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Took the kids out, didn't pay.
You left your kids in, you pay.
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Six hundred dollars,
your counter claim is dismissed.
433
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We're finished.
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This court is adjourned.
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{\an8}I am a little upset
she didn't see things my way.
436
00:19:26,967 --> 00:19:30,066
{\an8}The judge was kind of in my favor
for the majority of it.
437
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{\an8}You know, her leaving my children
in the care of her 15-year-old son
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{\an8}and also her husband.
439
00:19:34,934 --> 00:19:37,867
{\an8}Then why did she continue bringing
her children to me for another month?
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00:19:37,867 --> 00:19:40,834
{\an8}Also my son letting me know that,
you know, she hit him.
441
00:19:40,834 --> 00:19:44,333
{\an8}I have never touched her children, I could
take a lie detector test to prove it.
442
00:19:44,333 --> 00:19:47,900
{\an8}It was pretty difficult for me,
because I didn't have any other choices,
443
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{\an8}I didn't have anyone else
who could help me with keeping
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{\an8}all three of my children while I worked.
445
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{\an8}She actually never gave me excuses,
446
00:19:53,767 --> 00:19:55,867
{\an8}she actually just told me
she was gonna pay me.
447
00:19:55,867 --> 00:19:56,934
{\an8}Life is not easy.
448
00:19:56,934 --> 00:19:58,300
{\an8}If you work, you should get paid.
449
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{\an8}But you get back up and you keep moving.
450
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My generation, I'm not sure about yours,
I haven't had much experience in yours,
451
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but in mine, I think we confuse
having to make a hard choice
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with being out of options.
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Here, I felt for the defendant
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She had to make a hard choice.
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But even when her father came up
and felt the need to burst out and say,
456
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"My daughter had no options,
she had no choice."
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Well, she did have a choice.
It was a hard choice,
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you had to send your two older sons
to live with their father,
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and find a sort of mediocre at best
childcare situation,
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but you made the choice
to have those three children,
461
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and when you have children
you make a commitment
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to make the hard choices to benefit them.
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- In their best interest.
- In their best interest.
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And if you're not prepared to do that,
then you shouldn't become a parent.
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In any event, I tried to make
my steak analogy, it didn't...
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I thought it was great.
I had a great time.
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- Great, I'm glad you did.
- I thought it was a good lesson.
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Thank you.
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