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{\an8}You left the two dogs with her.
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Within two hours you called her and said,
"I changed my mind."
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I was little uneasy about giving her
the dog.
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She said, "I got offered a lot more money
for this dog.
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I think you're a scam artist."
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No, I did not.
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You made a deal.
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- I really just want my dogs.
- Duh!
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This is Judy Justice.
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Breanna Slanaker is suing
her buyer, Charity Houvener,
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{\an8}for the cost of a golden retriever puppy.
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Court come to order.
All rise.
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Have a seat please.
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Case 2188.
Slanaker versus Houvener.
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- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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Ms. Slanaker, is this your boyfriend?
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Hi. Yes, this is my, my boyfriend
and the father of our two-year-old child.
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Okay. You could stand up with her.
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In addition to a two-year-old child,
you also had two dogs.
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Where were you living at the time
of this incident?
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Uh, so we were living in our house.
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In your house where?
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{\an8}In Redford, Michigan.
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Do you own the house or rent it?
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We rent it.
Are you still living there?
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Yes, we are.
Do you work?
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- Uh, no. I, uh...
- You're not... the answer is no.
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I am a writer.
I'm also two months pregnant too, so.
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The question is,
do you work and make a living?
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Yes.
At what?
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- Writing.
- Okay.
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Who do you write for?
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Uh, myself. Self-publishing.
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{\an8}Well, how much money did you make
last year self-publishing?
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{\an8}- Zero.
- Zero?
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So the answer is, you don't work
and you don't make any money.
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And what about you, boyfriend?
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{\an8}I currently, at the moment am a custodian
for the [redacted] Hills School District.
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Okay.
And how much do you earn?
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{\an8}Uh, I earn $16.50 an hour.
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- And what's your rent?
- Uh, it's $1,445.
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Who pays it?
There's no question, you don't .
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- Oh, he does.
- I do.
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Impossible, not at $16 an hour.
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{\an8}My Brother currently lives with...
What?
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{\an8}My brother lives with us as well.
So we have a roommate.
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{\an8}- That's how we pay for it.
- And he pays some of the rent?
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Yes.
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Is your rent current?
Yes.
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And you have a car?
I do.
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So you have car and insurance.
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You have a comp...
well, somehow you're very economical.
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Now, you had two dogs,
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you had financial hardship
according to your complaint,
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and you could no longer take care
of the dogs.
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Is that correct?
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Yes, that's correct.
What kind of dogs were they?
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Our d... one year old dog
named Courage.
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{\an8}He is a border collie
and Australian shepherd mix.
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He's a border collie?
- Yes.
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Where did you get him from?
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We got him from a breeder back in 2021.
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It was probably December 2nd,
of 2021.
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And what was the other dog?
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The other dog, her name was Dani.
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She was a pure breed
golden retriever puppy
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that we had bought...
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purchased October 7th, 2022, yeah.
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Okay.
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Now, how much did you pay
for the Border Collie?
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We paid $500 for the Border Collie.
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Still figuring out
how you were all budgeting.
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And how much did you pay
for the Golden Retriever?
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We also paid $500
for the Golden Retriever.
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Where did you get the money from?
- A tax return.
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So let me understand this.
You have a two year old baby?
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- Yes.
- You have a two year old baby.
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You've got tax returns
from the only income from the house,
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which is his,
where you're earn $16 an hour.
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And what you did was you spent a thousand
dollars of your tax return on two dogs.
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I just am clarifying that in my own mind.
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Yeah.
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Huh?
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- Yes.
- That would be a "right."
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Okey-dokey.
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When you could no longer either physically
and or financially take care of the dogs,
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you put an ad on the internet.
What part of the internet?
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{\an8}Uh, we, we put the ad
on Craigslist and Hoobly.
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Craigslist and...
- Hoobly.
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It's like another Craigslist type online.
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- Do you have a copy of the ad?
- Yes, I do.
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I'd like to see them.
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{\an8}Okay.
So you put ads for both dogs.
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One you said, "Small rehoming fee,
not a breeder,
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needs a new home, call for details."
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{\an8}The other is the one year old,
Border Collie, Aussie mix
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{\an8}and you had rehoming fee of $200.
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- Yes.
- Okay.
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This says absolutely nothing
about fostering short term.
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You get the dogs back, nothing.
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And no other criteria in here.
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- Yes.
- Nothing.
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So this is your complaint.
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The defendant answered your ads,
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{\an8}you brought the two dogs over to her.
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{\an8}She gave you $100.
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- Yes.
- Yes. You left the two dogs with her.
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You were on your way back
to wherever you lived, you're in the car,
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and according to you,
you had a change of heart.
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Yes.
Uh, yes, your Honor.
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And you called her and you said to her,
"We're coming back."
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- Yes.
- How long did that process take you?
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It was within the two hours we had left.
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So within two hours you called her
and said, "I changed my mind."
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Yes.
And what did she say to you?
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She had said that she had given
the dog away.
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One of them?
- One of them. Yeah.
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Okay.
She said, I gave the dog away.
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Did she tell you to whom?
Did she tell you what circumstances?
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Did she tell you?
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She said that she had given the dog
to a lady named Cindy.
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And she mentioned that she gave this to...
Dani to...
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You have text messages?
Is what you're reading from text messages?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I'd like to see it.
- Okay.
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Yeah.
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Okay. So this is a text in the evening.
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And she says to you,
"My friend is traveling back
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to Tennessee now with my friend Cindy."
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Now you went back to the house
and you picked up one of the dogs?
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- Yes.
- Courage.
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And did you give her back
the hundred dollars?
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Uh, no.
It's either yes or no.
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- No.
- Why not?
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{\an8}- We want our dog back.
- You made a deal.
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{\an8}She paid you $100.
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{\an8}She gave you one back despite the fact
that you didn't give her any money.
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{\an8}Why do you think that this is a deal
that you can say,
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{\an8}"Ah, I change my mind."
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Breanna Slanaker claims
her buyer, Charity Houvener,
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wrongfully gave away a golden retriever
after promising to keep the puppy.
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Now, you went back to the house
and you picked up one of the dogs?
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- Yes.
- Courage.
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And did you give her back
the hundred dollars?
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Uh, no.
It's either yes or no.
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- No.
- Why not?
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{\an8}Because she kept the other dog, uh, Dani
which was a pure breed Golden Retriever.
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The condition was to have both dogs together.
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Okay.
Show me where that is.
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Show me something in writing
where that was a condition.
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It certainly wasn't in your ad.
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It certainly wasn't in your ad,
which just said
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you needed to find new homes
for both your dogs.
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Did you ever say anything
to the defendant about getting
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a better offer for the Golden Retriever?
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No.
- Yes.
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Did you ever say...
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Did you ever say anything to the defendant
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either on the phone or in a text
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that you believed that you could get more
for the golden retriever?
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Because if you had paid $500
for it as a puppy,
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this was just a couple of months later,
it was still a puppy.
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I'm asking you,
did you say anything to her
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about being able to get more money
for her?
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Mm-hmm. No No.
No, I did not.
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We want our dog back
because of our other dog Courage.
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And uh, she...
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Oh, what makes you think
you can have your dog back?
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- Well...
- You made a deal.
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She paid you $100.
You took the $100.
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You didn't return the $100
to her.
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One of the dogs was already rehomed
to yet another person.
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She gave you the dog back.
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She gave you one back despite the fact
that you didn't give her any money.
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Why do you think that this is a deal
that you can say,
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"Ah, I change my mind."
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What makes you...
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{\an8}Because it was in a verbal condition
to keep the dogs together.
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{\an8}- She had...
- Absolutely not.
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Sorry.
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It was a verbal condition to keep
the dogs together.
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They were a bonded pair.
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And, um, she said that if we wanted to,
we can...
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In what month did you sell the dogs
to the defendant?
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It was December 4th, 2022.
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Twelve four.
Now you got, according to you,
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the Golden Retriever in October of 2022.
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So you had at most the dogs together
for two months?
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- Yes.
- Yes.
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Well, that's not a bonding experience.
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How old was the Golden Retriever?
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She was two months old
when we got her.
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So she was four months old?
- Yes.
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Well, you certainly could have gotten more
than $100 for her,
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you must have been really desperate
for that hundred bucks.
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I really just want my dogs together.
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Well, they're not together.
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Then you should have thought
of that before you put ads here.
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You changed your mind.
That's it.
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You changed for whatever reason,
you felt sad in the car going home,
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or she's going to tell me
that you had a conversation
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with her that involved money.
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- No.
- I'm ready.
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All I wanna know from you
at this point is,
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and it's really not dispositive
of this case, but it was in your answer.
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Did you ever have a conversation after
she dropped the dogs off about money?
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- Yes.
- Tell me about the conversation.
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When was it, was it in the car,
or was it it...
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It was by my door.
By my side door.
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When, at what point in this?
When they came back or when...
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{\an8}When they came back,
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{\an8}she said, "I got offered a lot more money
for this dog.
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I think you're a scam artist.
And I want what's due.
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I want the rest of my money."
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What's the rest of your money?
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No.
I don't know.
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- No, your Honor. No.
- Never said that.
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Yes!
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She got offered more money, your Honor.
She cer... she certain...
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She certainly could have gotten more
for this Golden Retriever.
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She certainly could have gotten more money
from the Golden Retriever
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than the $100
that you gave her
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- for both dogs.
- Yes, for both.
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But she accepted the $100
and she never returned the $100.
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That's it. Finished.
What?
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Your Honor, I wanted to keep Courage.
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And my friend here, Cindy,
took Dani.
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Oh, so she's here.
You have the other dog?
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- I do, yes.
- Have the other dog... step up.
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- So you were going to Tennessee? Yes?
- Yes, yes, yes.
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Okay. Tell me about the conversation
that you had with Miss Houvener?
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- Yes.
- On the date
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that they dropped the dog off.
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{\an8}Okay. Um, she had called me
and let me know that...
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Well, first of all...
- Breanna I believe is her name...
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...was gonna drop the dogs off.
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When did you have this discussion?
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That was on the fourth,
on December 4th, 2022.
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She called me, um...
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I would be guessing, I don't know.
I'm gonna say maybe five in the afternoon.
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And, uh, told me that,
I think her name's Breanna,
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was going to be dropping the dogs off...
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For $100.
- For $100.
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And she asked me,
"Do you have, you know, $100?"
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And I said, "Well, sure."
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So you gave her $100?
- I gave her $100 to give...
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- Breanna.
- Yes.
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And, um, I was waiting and she was running
just a little late.
249
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We was going to Tennessee,
we had to get diapers and stuff.
250
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So I left $100 with Charity and I said,
"Just in case she comes while I'm gone,
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you have the money to give her
and I'll come back
252
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when you know,
we're done shopping to get the dog."
253
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Okay. Now, when had you discussed with her
the hundred dollars for both dogs?
254
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Over the phone, your Honor.
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Tell me about the conversation.
256
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The conversation went...
we had discussed
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the hundred for both Courage and Dani...
Do you have that in texts?
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Yes.
I'd like to see it.
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- Not all of them. Just...
- Not all of it?
260
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- Just the one that she's asking of.
- Yeah.
261
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How is the dog?
262
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She's doing really good.
Yeah, I got her to the vet.
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She's... and she's growing.
264
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Oh, she, um, two weeks ago was her
last shots and she's already 41 pounds.
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- She's just...
- Growing.
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Growing like a weed.
Yes. Yes.
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Okay.
I'm gonna read this to you.
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"I am trying hard to come up
with a hundred more dollars, dear,
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I have 100."
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And you respond to her,
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"Okay, we're just gonna have to feed them
bread until somebody buys them."
272
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Then she answers you,
"I will come up with the rest."
273
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You we're just feeding
these puppies bread?
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{\an8}What's changed in your life financially
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{\an8}that you think that you should be able
to stretch your budget
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{\an8}to feed so far a 40 pound dog
and the other one?
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{\an8}What's changed?
Nothing.
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Breanna Slanaker is accusing
her buyer, Charity Houvener,
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{\an8}of giving away a golden retriever
hours after purchasing the puppy.
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Now, you respond to her,
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"Okay, we're just gonna have to feed them
bread until somebody buys them."
282
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You were just feeding
these puppies bread?
283
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That's what you wrote here.
Who wrote this?
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- You or him?
- I wrote it.
285
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And I would assume that your life's
circumstance hasn't changed.
286
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You are still not working and he's still
working for $16 an hour.
287
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Sure. Yeah.
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- Right?
- Yes.
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And at that point, back in December,
what you said was,
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"I can only afford," in effect,
"I can only afford to feed them bread
291
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{\an8}until I, until somebody buys them."
292
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{\an8}What's changed in your life?
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{\an8}What's changed in your life financially
that you think that...
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{\an8}that you think that you should be able
to stretch your budget to feed,
295
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so far, a 40 pound dog
and the other one, what's changed?
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Nothing.
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- Ridiculous people.
- Both jobless at the time.
298
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Kenyin was jobless at the time,
your Honor, um...
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- What?
- Yes.
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- He was jobless in December?
- Yes.
301
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You still took your tax returns
and bought a dog for $500.
302
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Duh!
303
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She says to you, "They are both really
fantastic dogs."
304
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And you respond, "Absolutely they are.
305
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It was a nice chapter to have them.
Now their fate's with you
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or wherever their life journey takes them.
307
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Glad you have them now."
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- That's what you wrote.
- Yeah.
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Yes.
Yeah.
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"Yes, you're right,
I'm probably gonna fall madly in love."
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Anyway, then you changed your mind
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and they reached out
to PAWS organization
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and had a chat about last night.
314
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"Your suspected buyer is being rude to us,
and we want our dog back."
315
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What's a PAWS organization?
What is that?
316
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When we had met her at her house,
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I was little uneasy
about giving her the dog.
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And taking into consideration
the area we live in, in metro Detroit,
319
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it's, there's a lot of dog fighting there.
320
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So I had to be sure that she was trustworthy.
321
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So she had mentioned to me that she was, uh,
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is a part of the PAWS organization
323
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{\an8}which is a animal friendly organization
like, uh...
324
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{\an8}- Okay.
- Okay.
325
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Wow... yeah.
326
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You say now you want the dog back
and you say,
327
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"Option A, you pay us our asking price
for the dog."
328
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What was your asking price? This is after
you already got the hundred bucks?
329
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Okay.
330
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So now after you got the hundred bucks,
left the dogs with her,
331
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what was your asking price?
332
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What was your asking price?
333
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The... the value of her.
334
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What was the asking price?
335
00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,600
Uh...
It's your words.
336
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I'm a little confused.
I'm sorry.
337
00:16:31,934 --> 00:16:36,066
"Option A, you give us... you pay us
our asking price for Dani,
338
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or option B, we call our lawyers
and take you to court."
339
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Yes, I, at the time, wanted her to repay,
pay the remaining balance of Dani,
340
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how much we had bought her for, $500.
341
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- So you wanted more money for the dog?
- Yes.
342
00:16:50,734 --> 00:16:53,000
Okay. Well you can't have it.
You've already made your bargain.
343
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Your case is dismissed.
We're done here.
344
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Thank you very much.
This Court is adjourned.
345
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{\an8}I think that there's a lot o of evidence,
346
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{\an8}a lot of things that was left out
and unsaid.
347
00:17:04,734 --> 00:17:07,900
{\an8}I thought the judge's decision
was fantastic.
348
00:17:07,900 --> 00:17:09,734
{\an8}I just feel like everything
wasn't said properly.
349
00:17:09,834 --> 00:17:10,934
{\an8}That's probably on our part.
350
00:17:10,934 --> 00:17:14,266
{\an8}I don't think it was necessarily fair,
but that's what... that's her decision.
351
00:17:14,266 --> 00:17:18,834
{\an8}Cindy and I wanted the best interest
in these dogs.
352
00:17:18,834 --> 00:17:19,934
{\an8}It just didn't feel right.
353
00:17:19,934 --> 00:17:22,367
{\an8}So immediately we went back
to get the dogs
354
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{\an8}and keep them and bring them home.
355
00:17:24,133 --> 00:17:25,266
{\an8}It was about money.
356
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{\an8}Just stick it out next time.
357
00:17:27,667 --> 00:17:29,100
{\an8}You know, don't trust everybody.
358
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{\an8}I just feel as if these dogs
were not taken care of.
359
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{\an8}I hope she does have a good home.
360
00:17:36,967 --> 00:17:40,300
You know the sadness of that whole case
for me Sarah,
361
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is the mindlessness
of these two young people.
362
00:17:43,934 --> 00:17:47,867
I don't know where they got the $500
during that two year period.
363
00:17:47,867 --> 00:17:49,934
- An extra $500...
- A... a thousand.
364
00:17:49,934 --> 00:17:52,934
- ...to pay for each dog.
- Mm-hmm.
365
00:17:52,934 --> 00:17:54,700
I can only speculate.
366
00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:58,934
When I speculate I say to myself
based upon my common sense,
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neither one of them look like
they're robbing a store.
368
00:18:01,934 --> 00:18:03,100
No.
369
00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,500
So I have to say to myself, you know,
"Who bought them those dogs?"
370
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The president.
371
00:18:11,166 --> 00:18:14,367
'Cause the only time you get
that kind of chunk of money,
372
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was if your stimulus...
or extended something.
373
00:18:18,500 --> 00:18:23,200
But even if it's extended unemployment,
cause he was unemployed,
374
00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,367
you have $1,500 a month in rent,
you have a car, you have insurance,
375
00:18:27,367 --> 00:18:29,033
you have a two-year-old baby.
376
00:18:29,033 --> 00:18:33,567
What kind of thought process
goes into buying two expensive dogs?
377
00:18:33,567 --> 00:18:35,400
- And big dogs.
- And big dog...
378
00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,467
Well, one of them was a big dog.
One of them is a substantial size dog.
379
00:18:38,467 --> 00:18:41,533
Then you have a two-year-old baby
and you're gonna feed the dog's bread.
380
00:18:41,533 --> 00:18:42,633
So what do you do?
381
00:18:43,133 --> 00:18:44,367
You have another baby.
382
00:18:44,367 --> 00:18:47,133
That makes sense.
Makes perfect sense.
383
00:18:47,133 --> 00:18:52,333
And I guess I get so excited about it,
because based upon my history,
384
00:18:52,333 --> 00:18:55,033
it's always the children
that end up suffering.
385
00:18:55,033 --> 00:18:56,467
I knew you were going there.
386
00:18:56,467 --> 00:18:58,066
And it's so... and it's true. Yeah.
387
00:18:58,066 --> 00:19:02,200
You're feeding a dog bread and think
that that's an appropriate way
388
00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:03,567
to take care of an animal.
389
00:19:03,567 --> 00:19:05,667
And trying to get it off your plate.
390
00:19:05,667 --> 00:19:10,066
The first thing I would be doing is making
sure I didn't sign up for another child.
391
00:19:10,066 --> 00:19:12,133
Financially, responsibility-wise.
392
00:19:12,133 --> 00:19:15,100
Yeah, well, what are you gonna do?
Cut the baby's formula with water
393
00:19:15,100 --> 00:19:16,734
so that you can stretch it?
394
00:19:16,734 --> 00:19:19,934
I mean, they both look like they could use
a good meal.
395
00:19:19,934 --> 00:19:22,934
I don't understand, I just don't
understand this thought process.
396
00:19:22,934 --> 00:19:25,166
And it's always the innocents that suffer.
397
00:19:25,166 --> 00:19:27,300
Because even the dogs are innocents.
398
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,767
Clearly the babies, but clearly the dogs
are innocents.
399
00:19:30,767 --> 00:19:33,900
You know, they just wanna be fed
and have a home with...
400
00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:38,333
You're not, a four-month-old puppy
eating bread until they can find somebody
401
00:19:38,333 --> 00:19:40,367
that can give them something
more nourishing.
402
00:19:40,367 --> 00:19:44,567
It's absolutely outrageous
and irresponsible and tragic.
403
00:19:44,567 --> 00:19:46,533
That's what I think.
404
00:19:46,533 --> 00:19:51,133
Life isn't getting any different
from what it was 40 years ago.
405
00:19:51,834 --> 00:19:53,667
- It just stays the same.
- Mm-hmm.
406
00:19:53,667 --> 00:19:58,033
Well, at least the Golden Retriever
is in a good home, goes to the vet.
407
00:19:58,033 --> 00:20:00,100
Hopefully it's getting fed real dog food.
408
00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:04,467
So there's a bright side
or a silver lining in the end of that.
409
00:20:04,467 --> 00:20:05,433
- So...
- Right.
410
00:20:05,433 --> 00:20:07,066
Now, if you could just
find reasonable parents
411
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to take care of these two children
that they created.
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