1 00:00:00,333 --> 00:00:02,100 {\an8}You left the two dogs with her. 2 00:00:02,100 --> 00:00:05,433 Within two hours you called her and said, "I changed my mind." 3 00:00:05,433 --> 00:00:08,433 I was little uneasy about giving her the dog. 4 00:00:08,900 --> 00:00:11,934 She said, "I got offered a lot more money for this dog. 5 00:00:11,934 --> 00:00:13,433 I think you're a scam artist." 6 00:00:13,433 --> 00:00:14,667 No, I did not. 7 00:00:14,667 --> 00:00:15,667 You made a deal. 8 00:00:15,667 --> 00:00:18,533 - I really just want my dogs. - Duh! 9 00:00:18,533 --> 00:00:20,900 [announcer] This is Judy Justice. 10 00:00:20,900 --> 00:00:22,367 [theme music playing] 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,633 {\an8}[announcer] Breanna Slanaker is suing her buyer, Charity Houvener, 12 00:00:42,633 --> 00:00:45,967 {\an8}for the cost of a golden retriever puppy. 13 00:00:45,967 --> 00:00:48,066 [Bailiff] Court come to order. All rise. 14 00:00:50,266 --> 00:00:51,433 Have a seat please. 15 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,800 Case 2188. Slanaker versus Houvener. 16 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,033 - Thank you. - You're welcome. 17 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,467 Ms. Slanaker, is this your boyfriend? 18 00:01:00,467 --> 00:01:05,600 Hi. Yes, this is my, my boyfriend and the father of our two-year-old child. 19 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,200 Okay. You could stand up with her. 20 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,433 In addition to a two-year-old child, you also had two dogs. 21 00:01:11,433 --> 00:01:14,000 Where were you living at the time of this incident? 22 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,567 Uh, so we were living in our house. 23 00:01:16,567 --> 00:01:18,000 {\an8}[Judy] In your house where? 24 00:01:18,533 --> 00:01:20,266 {\an8}In Redford, Michigan. 25 00:01:20,266 --> 00:01:22,266 {\an8}[Judy] Do you own the house or rent it? 26 00:01:22,266 --> 00:01:24,200 - We rent it. - [Judy] Are you still living there? 27 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,834 - Yes, we are. - [Judy] Do you work? 28 00:01:26,567 --> 00:01:29,133 - Uh, no. I, uh... - You're not... the answer is no. 29 00:01:29,133 --> 00:01:32,333 I am a writer. I'm also two months pregnant too, so. 30 00:01:32,333 --> 00:01:34,333 The question is, do you work and make a living? 31 00:01:34,333 --> 00:01:36,000 - Yes. - [Judy] At what? 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,200 - Writing. - Okay. 33 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:38,367 Who do you write for? 34 00:01:38,367 --> 00:01:40,467 Uh, myself. Self-publishing. 35 00:01:40,467 --> 00:01:43,800 {\an8}Well, how much money did you make last year self-publishing? 36 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,300 {\an8}- Zero. - Zero? 37 00:01:45,300 --> 00:01:48,934 So the answer is, you don't work and you don't make any money. 38 00:01:48,934 --> 00:01:50,900 And what about you, boyfriend? 39 00:01:50,900 --> 00:01:55,700 {\an8}I currently, at the moment am a custodian for the [redacted] Hills School District. 40 00:01:55,700 --> 00:01:57,467 {\an8}[Judy] Okay. And how much do you earn? 41 00:01:57,567 --> 00:01:59,700 {\an8}Uh, I earn $16.50 an hour. 42 00:01:59,700 --> 00:02:03,100 - And what's your rent? - Uh, it's $1,445. 43 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,433 Who pays it? There's no question, you don't . 44 00:02:06,467 --> 00:02:08,367 - Oh, he does. - I do. 45 00:02:08,367 --> 00:02:10,900 Impossible, not at $16 an hour. 46 00:02:10,900 --> 00:02:12,667 {\an8}- My Brother currently lives with... - [Judy] What? 47 00:02:12,667 --> 00:02:15,533 {\an8}My brother lives with us as well. So we have a roommate. 48 00:02:15,533 --> 00:02:17,667 {\an8}- That's how we pay for it. - And he pays some of the rent? 49 00:02:17,667 --> 00:02:18,600 [Kenyin] Yes. 50 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:19,900 - Is your rent current? - [Kenyin] Yes. 51 00:02:19,900 --> 00:02:22,233 - And you have a car? - [Kenyin] I do. 52 00:02:22,233 --> 00:02:24,500 So you have car and insurance. 53 00:02:24,500 --> 00:02:27,233 You have a comp... well, somehow you're very economical. 54 00:02:27,233 --> 00:02:29,000 Now, you had two dogs, 55 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,367 you had financial hardship according to your complaint, 56 00:02:32,367 --> 00:02:34,734 and you could no longer take care of the dogs. 57 00:02:34,734 --> 00:02:36,033 Is that correct? 58 00:02:36,033 --> 00:02:38,734 - Yes, that's correct. - [Judy] What kind of dogs were they? 59 00:02:38,734 --> 00:02:42,367 Our d... one year old dog named Courage. 60 00:02:42,367 --> 00:02:45,367 {\an8}He is a border collie and Australian shepherd mix. 61 00:02:45,367 --> 00:02:47,133 {\an8}- [Judy] He's a border collie? - Yes. 62 00:02:47,133 --> 00:02:48,934 {\an8}[Judy] Where did you get him from? 63 00:02:48,934 --> 00:02:51,767 We got him from a breeder back in 2021. 64 00:02:51,767 --> 00:02:56,266 It was probably December 2nd, of 2021. 65 00:02:56,266 --> 00:02:57,633 And what was the other dog? 66 00:02:57,633 --> 00:03:00,100 The other dog, her name was Dani. 67 00:03:00,100 --> 00:03:03,333 She was a pure breed golden retriever puppy 68 00:03:03,333 --> 00:03:05,734 that we had bought... 69 00:03:05,734 --> 00:03:10,100 purchased October 7th, 2022, yeah. 70 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:11,233 Okay. 71 00:03:11,233 --> 00:03:13,700 Now, how much did you pay for the Border Collie? 72 00:03:13,700 --> 00:03:16,233 We paid $500 for the Border Collie. 73 00:03:16,233 --> 00:03:18,467 Still figuring out how you were all budgeting. 74 00:03:18,467 --> 00:03:21,000 And how much did you pay for the Golden Retriever? 75 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,166 We also paid $500 for the Golden Retriever. 76 00:03:24,166 --> 00:03:26,867 - [Judy] Where did you get the money from? - A tax return. 77 00:03:26,867 --> 00:03:30,567 So let me understand this. You have a two year old baby? 78 00:03:30,567 --> 00:03:33,033 - Yes. - You have a two year old baby. 79 00:03:33,033 --> 00:03:36,767 You've got tax returns from the only income from the house, 80 00:03:36,767 --> 00:03:39,667 which is his, where you're earn $16 an hour. 81 00:03:39,667 --> 00:03:45,066 And what you did was you spent a thousand dollars of your tax return on two dogs. 82 00:03:45,066 --> 00:03:47,667 I just am clarifying that in my own mind. 83 00:03:47,667 --> 00:03:48,667 [quietly] Yeah. 84 00:03:48,667 --> 00:03:49,934 [Judy] Huh? 85 00:03:49,934 --> 00:03:51,300 - Yes. - That would be a "right." 86 00:03:51,300 --> 00:03:52,300 Okey-dokey. 87 00:03:52,300 --> 00:03:56,767 When you could no longer either physically and or financially take care of the dogs, 88 00:03:56,767 --> 00:04:00,500 you put an ad on the internet. What part of the internet? 89 00:04:00,500 --> 00:04:04,266 {\an8}Uh, we, we put the ad on Craigslist and Hoobly. 90 00:04:04,266 --> 00:04:05,900 - [Judy] Craigslist and... - Hoobly. 91 00:04:06,433 --> 00:04:08,300 It's like another Craigslist type online. 92 00:04:08,300 --> 00:04:10,600 - Do you have a copy of the ad? - Yes, I do. 93 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,000 I'd like to see them. 94 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,934 {\an8}Okay. So you put ads for both dogs. 95 00:04:25,934 --> 00:04:31,300 One you said, "Small rehoming fee, not a breeder, 96 00:04:31,300 --> 00:04:34,000 needs a new home, call for details." 97 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,934 {\an8}The other is the one year old, Border Collie, Aussie mix 98 00:04:38,934 --> 00:04:42,333 {\an8}and you had rehoming fee of $200. 99 00:04:42,333 --> 00:04:43,433 - Yes. - Okay. 100 00:04:43,433 --> 00:04:47,734 This says absolutely nothing about fostering short term. 101 00:04:47,734 --> 00:04:50,734 You get the dogs back, nothing. 102 00:04:50,734 --> 00:04:53,100 And no other criteria in here. 103 00:04:53,100 --> 00:04:54,467 - Yes. - Nothing. 104 00:04:54,467 --> 00:04:55,967 So this is your complaint. 105 00:04:55,967 --> 00:04:58,133 The defendant answered your ads, 106 00:04:58,133 --> 00:05:01,200 {\an8}you brought the two dogs over to her. 107 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,867 {\an8}She gave you $100. 108 00:05:02,867 --> 00:05:05,734 - Yes. - Yes. You left the two dogs with her. 109 00:05:05,734 --> 00:05:10,166 You were on your way back to wherever you lived, you're in the car, 110 00:05:10,166 --> 00:05:12,700 and according to you, you had a change of heart. 111 00:05:13,633 --> 00:05:15,734 Yes. Uh, yes, your Honor. 112 00:05:15,734 --> 00:05:19,100 And you called her and you said to her, "We're coming back." 113 00:05:19,100 --> 00:05:21,967 - Yes. - How long did that process take you? 114 00:05:21,967 --> 00:05:25,033 It was within the two hours we had left. 115 00:05:25,033 --> 00:05:28,400 So within two hours you called her and said, "I changed my mind." 116 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,400 - Yes. - [Judy] And what did she say to you? 117 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,667 She had said that she had given the dog away. 118 00:05:34,667 --> 00:05:36,500 - [Judy] One of them? - One of them. Yeah. 119 00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:38,133 Okay. She said, I gave the dog away. 120 00:05:38,133 --> 00:05:41,233 Did she tell you to whom? Did she tell you what circumstances? 121 00:05:41,233 --> 00:05:42,400 Did she tell you? 122 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,767 She said that she had given the dog to a lady named Cindy. 123 00:05:45,767 --> 00:05:51,000 And she mentioned that she gave this to... Dani to... 124 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,500 You have text messages? Is what you're reading from text messages? 125 00:05:54,500 --> 00:05:55,433 Yeah. Yeah. 126 00:05:55,433 --> 00:05:57,300 - [Judy] I'd like to see it. - Okay. 127 00:05:59,266 --> 00:06:00,467 [Breanna] Yeah. 128 00:06:06,433 --> 00:06:09,500 Okay. So this is a text in the evening. 129 00:06:09,500 --> 00:06:13,066 And she says to you, "My friend is traveling back 130 00:06:13,066 --> 00:06:15,300 to Tennessee now with my friend Cindy." 131 00:06:15,300 --> 00:06:18,600 Now you went back to the house and you picked up one of the dogs? 132 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:19,667 - Yes. - Courage. 133 00:06:19,667 --> 00:06:22,066 And did you give her back the hundred dollars? 134 00:06:22,066 --> 00:06:24,000 - Uh, no. - [Judy] It's either yes or no. 135 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,734 - No. - Why not? 136 00:06:28,967 --> 00:06:31,000 {\an8}- We want our dog back. - You made a deal. 137 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,533 {\an8}She paid you $100. 138 00:06:32,533 --> 00:06:35,667 {\an8}She gave you one back despite the fact that you didn't give her any money. 139 00:06:35,667 --> 00:06:38,033 {\an8}Why do you think that this is a deal that you can say, 140 00:06:38,033 --> 00:06:40,300 {\an8}"Ah, I change my mind." 141 00:06:44,967 --> 00:06:47,667 [theme music playing] 142 00:06:51,533 --> 00:06:55,600 {\an8}[announcer] Breanna Slanaker claims her buyer, Charity Houvener, 143 00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:00,967 wrongfully gave away a golden retriever after promising to keep the puppy. 144 00:07:00,967 --> 00:07:04,133 Now, you went back to the house and you picked up one of the dogs? 145 00:07:04,133 --> 00:07:05,367 - Yes. - Courage. 146 00:07:05,367 --> 00:07:08,066 And did you give her back the hundred dollars? 147 00:07:08,066 --> 00:07:09,734 - Uh, no. - [Judy] It's either yes or no. 148 00:07:09,734 --> 00:07:11,400 - No. - Why not? 149 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,867 {\an8}Because she kept the other dog, uh, Dani which was a pure breed Golden Retriever. 150 00:07:15,867 --> 00:07:20,000 The condition was to have both dogs together. 151 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,433 Okay. Show me where that is. 152 00:07:21,433 --> 00:07:24,233 Show me something in writing where that was a condition. 153 00:07:24,233 --> 00:07:26,166 It certainly wasn't in your ad. 154 00:07:26,166 --> 00:07:28,433 It certainly wasn't in your ad, which just said 155 00:07:28,433 --> 00:07:30,633 you needed to find new homes for both your dogs. 156 00:07:30,633 --> 00:07:34,433 Did you ever say anything to the defendant about getting 157 00:07:34,433 --> 00:07:36,500 a better offer for the Golden Retriever? 158 00:07:36,500 --> 00:07:37,734 - [Breanna] No. - Yes. 159 00:07:37,734 --> 00:07:38,867 Did you ever say... 160 00:07:39,867 --> 00:07:42,633 Did you ever say anything to the defendant 161 00:07:43,166 --> 00:07:46,300 either on the phone or in a text 162 00:07:46,300 --> 00:07:50,734 that you believed that you could get more for the golden retriever? 163 00:07:50,734 --> 00:07:53,900 Because if you had paid $500 for it as a puppy, 164 00:07:53,900 --> 00:07:56,700 this was just a couple of months later, it was still a puppy. 165 00:07:56,700 --> 00:07:59,533 I'm asking you, did you say anything to her 166 00:07:59,533 --> 00:08:05,200 about being able to get more money for her? 167 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,834 Mm-hmm. No No. No, I did not. 168 00:08:07,834 --> 00:08:11,667 We want our dog back because of our other dog Courage. 169 00:08:11,667 --> 00:08:12,934 And uh, she... 170 00:08:12,934 --> 00:08:15,000 Oh, what makes you think you can have your dog back? 171 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,633 - Well... - You made a deal. 172 00:08:16,633 --> 00:08:19,767 She paid you $100. You took the $100. 173 00:08:19,767 --> 00:08:21,867 You didn't return the $100 to her. 174 00:08:21,867 --> 00:08:26,500 One of the dogs was already rehomed to yet another person. 175 00:08:26,500 --> 00:08:28,033 She gave you the dog back. 176 00:08:28,033 --> 00:08:31,133 She gave you one back despite the fact that you didn't give her any money. 177 00:08:31,133 --> 00:08:33,633 Why do you think that this is a deal that you can say, 178 00:08:33,633 --> 00:08:36,133 "Ah, I change my mind." 179 00:08:36,133 --> 00:08:37,467 What makes you... 180 00:08:37,467 --> 00:08:42,400 {\an8}Because it was in a verbal condition to keep the dogs together. 181 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,200 {\an8}- She had... - Absolutely not. 182 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:45,767 - [Judy shushing] - Sorry. 183 00:08:45,767 --> 00:08:48,667 It was a verbal condition to keep the dogs together. 184 00:08:48,667 --> 00:08:50,300 They were a bonded pair. 185 00:08:50,300 --> 00:08:53,233 And, um, she said that if we wanted to, we can... 186 00:08:53,233 --> 00:08:57,834 In what month did you sell the dogs to the defendant? 187 00:08:57,834 --> 00:09:01,033 It was December 4th, 2022. 188 00:09:01,033 --> 00:09:04,934 Twelve four. Now you got, according to you, 189 00:09:04,934 --> 00:09:08,734 the Golden Retriever in October of 2022. 190 00:09:08,734 --> 00:09:13,600 So you had at most the dogs together for two months? 191 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:14,834 - Yes. - Yes. 192 00:09:14,834 --> 00:09:17,433 [Judy] Well, that's not a bonding experience. 193 00:09:17,433 --> 00:09:19,367 How old was the Golden Retriever? 194 00:09:19,367 --> 00:09:22,266 She was two months old when we got her. 195 00:09:22,266 --> 00:09:24,600 - [Judy] So she was four months old? - Yes. 196 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,700 Well, you certainly could have gotten more than $100 for her, 197 00:09:26,700 --> 00:09:29,433 you must have been really desperate for that hundred bucks. 198 00:09:30,934 --> 00:09:33,266 I really just want my dogs together. 199 00:09:33,266 --> 00:09:34,433 Well, they're not together. 200 00:09:34,433 --> 00:09:37,834 Then you should have thought of that before you put ads here. 201 00:09:38,667 --> 00:09:40,433 You changed your mind. That's it. 202 00:09:40,433 --> 00:09:44,166 You changed for whatever reason, you felt sad in the car going home, 203 00:09:44,166 --> 00:09:47,700 or she's going to tell me that you had a conversation 204 00:09:47,700 --> 00:09:49,066 with her that involved money. 205 00:09:49,066 --> 00:09:50,233 - No. - I'm ready. 206 00:09:51,033 --> 00:09:54,200 All I wanna know from you at this point is, 207 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,467 and it's really not dispositive of this case, but it was in your answer. 208 00:09:58,467 --> 00:10:03,033 Did you ever have a conversation after she dropped the dogs off about money? 209 00:10:03,033 --> 00:10:05,133 - Yes. - Tell me about the conversation. 210 00:10:05,133 --> 00:10:07,567 When was it, was it in the car, or was it it... 211 00:10:07,567 --> 00:10:10,400 It was by my door. By my side door. 212 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,000 {\an8}[Judy] When, at what point in this? When they came back or when... 213 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,233 {\an8}When they came back, 214 00:10:14,233 --> 00:10:17,633 {\an8}she said, "I got offered a lot more money for this dog. 215 00:10:17,633 --> 00:10:22,633 I think you're a scam artist. And I want what's due. 216 00:10:22,633 --> 00:10:25,133 I want the rest of my money." 217 00:10:25,133 --> 00:10:26,367 [Judy] What's the rest of your money? 218 00:10:26,367 --> 00:10:27,834 - No. - [Charity] I don't know. 219 00:10:27,834 --> 00:10:30,433 - No, your Honor. No. - Never said that. 220 00:10:30,433 --> 00:10:31,467 Yes! 221 00:10:32,533 --> 00:10:35,100 - She got offered more money, your Honor. - [Judy] She cer... she certain... 222 00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:38,300 She certainly could have gotten more for this Golden Retriever. 223 00:10:38,300 --> 00:10:41,467 She certainly could have gotten more money from the Golden Retriever 224 00:10:41,467 --> 00:10:44,200 than the $100 that you gave her 225 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:45,900 - for both dogs. - Yes, for both. 226 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:49,200 But she accepted the $100 and she never returned the $100. 227 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,367 That's it. Finished. What? 228 00:10:51,467 --> 00:10:54,533 Your Honor, I wanted to keep Courage. 229 00:10:55,066 --> 00:10:59,200 And my friend here, Cindy, took Dani. 230 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,333 Oh, so she's here. You have the other dog? 231 00:11:01,333 --> 00:11:03,934 - I do, yes. - Have the other dog... step up. 232 00:11:05,266 --> 00:11:09,133 - So you were going to Tennessee? Yes? - Yes, yes, yes. 233 00:11:09,133 --> 00:11:13,133 Okay. Tell me about the conversation that you had with Miss Houvener? 234 00:11:13,133 --> 00:11:15,066 - Yes. - On the date 235 00:11:15,066 --> 00:11:16,900 that they dropped the dog off. 236 00:11:16,900 --> 00:11:21,300 {\an8}Okay. Um, she had called me and let me know that... 237 00:11:21,300 --> 00:11:24,266 - [Judy] Well, first of all... - Breanna I believe is her name... 238 00:11:24,266 --> 00:11:26,066 ...was gonna drop the dogs off. 239 00:11:26,066 --> 00:11:28,300 When did you have this discussion? 240 00:11:29,133 --> 00:11:34,934 That was on the fourth, on December 4th, 2022. 241 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,000 She called me, um... 242 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,467 I would be guessing, I don't know. I'm gonna say maybe five in the afternoon. 243 00:11:42,467 --> 00:11:45,767 And, uh, told me that, I think her name's Breanna, 244 00:11:45,867 --> 00:11:48,700 was going to be dropping the dogs off... 245 00:11:48,700 --> 00:11:50,667 - [Charity] For $100. - For $100. 246 00:11:50,667 --> 00:11:55,166 And she asked me, "Do you have, you know, $100?" 247 00:11:55,166 --> 00:11:57,100 And I said, "Well, sure." 248 00:11:57,100 --> 00:12:01,133 - [Judy] So you gave her $100? - I gave her $100 to give... 249 00:12:01,133 --> 00:12:02,467 - Breanna. - Yes. 250 00:12:02,467 --> 00:12:07,667 And, um, I was waiting and she was running just a little late. 251 00:12:07,667 --> 00:12:11,266 We was going to Tennessee, we had to get diapers and stuff. 252 00:12:11,266 --> 00:12:15,700 So I left $100 with Charity and I said, "Just in case she comes while I'm gone, 253 00:12:15,700 --> 00:12:18,600 you have the money to give her and I'll come back 254 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,367 when you know, we're done shopping to get the dog." 255 00:12:21,367 --> 00:12:26,633 Okay. Now, when had you discussed with her the hundred dollars for both dogs? 256 00:12:26,633 --> 00:12:28,600 Over the phone, your Honor. 257 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,200 Tell me about the conversation. 258 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,266 [Charity] The conversation went... we had discussed 259 00:12:33,266 --> 00:12:37,600 - the hundred for both Courage and Dani... - [Judy] Do you have that in texts? 260 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,367 - Yes. - [Judy] I'd like to see it. 261 00:12:41,233 --> 00:12:43,033 - Not all of them. Just... - Not all of it? 262 00:12:43,033 --> 00:12:45,967 - Just the one that she's asking of. - Yeah. 263 00:12:45,967 --> 00:12:47,266 How is the dog? 264 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,533 She's doing really good. Yeah, I got her to the vet. 265 00:12:50,533 --> 00:12:52,233 She's... and she's growing. 266 00:12:52,233 --> 00:12:56,533 Oh, she, um, two weeks ago was her last shots and she's already 41 pounds. 267 00:12:56,533 --> 00:12:57,800 - She's just... - Growing. 268 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,433 Growing like a weed. Yes. Yes. 269 00:13:01,633 --> 00:13:03,300 Okay. I'm gonna read this to you. 270 00:13:03,967 --> 00:13:07,633 "I am trying hard to come up with a hundred more dollars, dear, 271 00:13:07,633 --> 00:13:09,633 I have 100." 272 00:13:09,633 --> 00:13:12,000 And you respond to her, 273 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,967 "Okay, we're just gonna have to feed them bread until somebody buys them." 274 00:13:16,967 --> 00:13:19,200 Then she answers you, "I will come up with the rest." 275 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,633 You we're just feeding these puppies bread? 276 00:13:24,266 --> 00:13:26,700 {\an8}What's changed in your life financially 277 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:31,500 {\an8}that you think that you should be able to stretch your budget 278 00:13:31,500 --> 00:13:35,667 {\an8}to feed so far a 40 pound dog and the other one? 279 00:13:35,667 --> 00:13:38,033 {\an8}What's changed? Nothing. 280 00:13:42,633 --> 00:13:45,200 [theme music playing] 281 00:13:49,767 --> 00:13:54,000 {\an8}[announcer] Breanna Slanaker is accusing her buyer, Charity Houvener, 282 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,600 {\an8}of giving away a golden retriever hours after purchasing the puppy. 283 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,233 Now, you respond to her, 284 00:14:01,233 --> 00:14:06,033 "Okay, we're just gonna have to feed them bread until somebody buys them." 285 00:14:06,033 --> 00:14:08,166 You were just feeding these puppies bread? 286 00:14:08,166 --> 00:14:09,767 That's what you wrote here. Who wrote this? 287 00:14:09,767 --> 00:14:11,133 - You or him? - I wrote it. 288 00:14:11,133 --> 00:14:15,333 And I would assume that your life's circumstance hasn't changed. 289 00:14:15,333 --> 00:14:18,633 You are still not working and he's still working for $16 an hour. 290 00:14:18,633 --> 00:14:19,600 Sure. Yeah. 291 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:20,767 - Right? - Yes. 292 00:14:20,767 --> 00:14:24,333 And at that point, back in December, what you said was, 293 00:14:24,333 --> 00:14:28,433 "I can only afford," in effect, "I can only afford to feed them bread 294 00:14:28,533 --> 00:14:31,233 {\an8}until I, until somebody buys them." 295 00:14:31,233 --> 00:14:33,133 {\an8}What's changed in your life? 296 00:14:33,133 --> 00:14:36,333 {\an8}What's changed in your life financially that you think that... 297 00:14:37,734 --> 00:14:42,967 {\an8}that you think that you should be able to stretch your budget to feed, 298 00:14:42,967 --> 00:14:47,433 so far, a 40 pound dog and the other one, what's changed? 299 00:14:47,433 --> 00:14:48,467 Nothing. 300 00:14:48,467 --> 00:14:51,133 - Ridiculous people. - Both jobless at the time. 301 00:14:51,133 --> 00:14:54,033 Kenyin was jobless at the time, your Honor, um... 302 00:14:54,033 --> 00:14:55,333 - What? - Yes. 303 00:14:55,333 --> 00:14:57,667 - He was jobless in December? - Yes. 304 00:14:57,667 --> 00:15:02,367 You still took your tax returns and bought a dog for $500. 305 00:15:02,367 --> 00:15:03,567 Duh! 306 00:15:05,767 --> 00:15:10,934 She says to you, "They are both really fantastic dogs." 307 00:15:10,934 --> 00:15:13,467 And you respond, "Absolutely they are. 308 00:15:13,467 --> 00:15:17,367 It was a nice chapter to have them. Now their fate's with you 309 00:15:17,367 --> 00:15:20,133 or wherever their life journey takes them. 310 00:15:20,133 --> 00:15:21,834 Glad you have them now." 311 00:15:21,834 --> 00:15:23,433 - That's what you wrote. - Yeah. 312 00:15:23,433 --> 00:15:24,800 - Yes. - [Charity] Yeah. 313 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,767 "Yes, you're right, I'm probably gonna fall madly in love." 314 00:15:27,767 --> 00:15:30,000 Anyway, then you changed your mind 315 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,433 and they reached out to PAWS organization 316 00:15:33,433 --> 00:15:35,500 and had a chat about last night. 317 00:15:35,500 --> 00:15:39,700 "Your suspected buyer is being rude to us, and we want our dog back." 318 00:15:39,700 --> 00:15:42,166 What's a PAWS organization? What is that? 319 00:15:42,166 --> 00:15:44,100 When we had met her at her house, 320 00:15:44,100 --> 00:15:47,033 I was little uneasy about giving her the dog. 321 00:15:47,033 --> 00:15:50,700 And taking into consideration the area we live in, in metro Detroit, 322 00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:52,333 it's, there's a lot of dog fighting there. 323 00:15:52,333 --> 00:15:54,834 So I had to be sure that she was trustworthy. 324 00:15:54,834 --> 00:15:57,900 So she had mentioned to me that she was, uh, 325 00:15:57,900 --> 00:16:00,500 is a part of the PAWS organization 326 00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:04,800 {\an8}which is a animal friendly organization like, uh... 327 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:05,867 {\an8}- Okay. - Okay. 328 00:16:05,867 --> 00:16:07,133 Wow... yeah. 329 00:16:07,133 --> 00:16:09,967 You say now you want the dog back and you say, 330 00:16:09,967 --> 00:16:13,066 "Option A, you pay us our asking price for the dog." 331 00:16:13,066 --> 00:16:16,433 What was your asking price? This is after you already got the hundred bucks? 332 00:16:16,433 --> 00:16:17,734 Okay. 333 00:16:17,734 --> 00:16:20,700 So now after you got the hundred bucks, left the dogs with her, 334 00:16:20,700 --> 00:16:22,367 what was your asking price? 335 00:16:22,934 --> 00:16:24,600 What was your asking price? 336 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,066 The... the value of her. 337 00:16:26,066 --> 00:16:28,200 What was the asking price? 338 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,600 - Uh... - [Judy] It's your words. 339 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,934 I'm a little confused. I'm sorry. 340 00:16:31,934 --> 00:16:36,066 "Option A, you give us... you pay us our asking price for Dani, 341 00:16:36,066 --> 00:16:39,767 or option B, we call our lawyers and take you to court." 342 00:16:39,767 --> 00:16:45,000 Yes, I, at the time, wanted her to repay, pay the remaining balance of Dani, 343 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,834 how much we had bought her for, $500. 344 00:16:47,834 --> 00:16:50,734 - So you wanted more money for the dog? - Yes. 345 00:16:50,734 --> 00:16:53,000 Okay. Well you can't have it. You've already made your bargain. 346 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,800 Your case is dismissed. We're done here. 347 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,033 - Thank you very much. - [Bailiff] This Court is adjourned. 348 00:17:00,300 --> 00:17:02,467 {\an8}I think that there's a lot o of evidence, 349 00:17:02,467 --> 00:17:04,734 {\an8}a lot of things that was left out and unsaid. 350 00:17:04,734 --> 00:17:07,900 {\an8}I thought the judge's decision was fantastic. 351 00:17:07,900 --> 00:17:09,734 {\an8}I just feel like everything wasn't said properly. 352 00:17:09,834 --> 00:17:10,934 {\an8}That's probably on our part. 353 00:17:10,934 --> 00:17:14,266 {\an8}I don't think it was necessarily fair, but that's what... that's her decision. 354 00:17:14,266 --> 00:17:18,834 {\an8}Cindy and I wanted the best interest in these dogs. 355 00:17:18,834 --> 00:17:19,934 {\an8}It just didn't feel right. 356 00:17:19,934 --> 00:17:22,367 {\an8}So immediately we went back to get the dogs 357 00:17:22,367 --> 00:17:24,133 {\an8}and keep them and bring them home. 358 00:17:24,133 --> 00:17:25,266 {\an8}It was about money. 359 00:17:25,266 --> 00:17:27,667 {\an8}Just stick it out next time. 360 00:17:27,667 --> 00:17:29,100 {\an8}You know, don't trust everybody. 361 00:17:29,100 --> 00:17:34,100 {\an8}I just feel as if these dogs were not taken care of. 362 00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:35,433 {\an8}I hope she does have a good home. 363 00:17:36,967 --> 00:17:40,300 You know the sadness of that whole case for me Sarah, 364 00:17:40,300 --> 00:17:43,934 is the mindlessness of these two young people. 365 00:17:43,934 --> 00:17:47,867 I don't know where they got the $500 during that two year period. 366 00:17:47,867 --> 00:17:49,934 - An extra $500... - A... a thousand. 367 00:17:49,934 --> 00:17:52,934 - ...to pay for each dog. - Mm-hmm. 368 00:17:52,934 --> 00:17:54,700 I can only speculate. 369 00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:58,934 When I speculate I say to myself based upon my common sense, 370 00:17:58,934 --> 00:18:01,934 neither one of them look like they're robbing a store. 371 00:18:01,934 --> 00:18:03,100 No. 372 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,500 So I have to say to myself, you know, "Who bought them those dogs?" 373 00:18:07,500 --> 00:18:08,834 The president. 374 00:18:11,166 --> 00:18:14,367 'Cause the only time you get that kind of chunk of money, 375 00:18:14,367 --> 00:18:18,500 was if your stimulus... or extended something. 376 00:18:18,500 --> 00:18:23,200 But even if it's extended unemployment, cause he was unemployed, 377 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,367 you have $1,500 a month in rent, you have a car, you have insurance, 378 00:18:27,367 --> 00:18:29,033 you have a two-year-old baby. 379 00:18:29,033 --> 00:18:33,567 What kind of thought process goes into buying two expensive dogs? 380 00:18:33,567 --> 00:18:35,400 - And big dogs. - And big dog... 381 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,467 Well, one of them was a big dog. One of them is a substantial size dog. 382 00:18:38,467 --> 00:18:41,533 Then you have a two-year-old baby and you're gonna feed the dog's bread. 383 00:18:41,533 --> 00:18:42,633 So what do you do? 384 00:18:43,133 --> 00:18:44,367 You have another baby. 385 00:18:44,367 --> 00:18:47,133 That makes sense. Makes perfect sense. 386 00:18:47,133 --> 00:18:52,333 And I guess I get so excited about it, because based upon my history, 387 00:18:52,333 --> 00:18:55,033 it's always the children that end up suffering. 388 00:18:55,033 --> 00:18:56,467 I knew you were going there. 389 00:18:56,467 --> 00:18:58,066 - And it's so... and it's true. - [Judy] Yeah. 390 00:18:58,066 --> 00:19:02,200 You're feeding a dog bread and think that that's an appropriate way 391 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:03,567 to take care of an animal. 392 00:19:03,567 --> 00:19:05,667 And trying to get it off your plate. 393 00:19:05,667 --> 00:19:10,066 The first thing I would be doing is making sure I didn't sign up for another child. 394 00:19:10,066 --> 00:19:12,133 Financially, responsibility-wise. 395 00:19:12,133 --> 00:19:15,100 Yeah, well, what are you gonna do? Cut the baby's formula with water 396 00:19:15,100 --> 00:19:16,734 so that you can stretch it? 397 00:19:16,734 --> 00:19:19,934 I mean, they both look like they could use a good meal. 398 00:19:19,934 --> 00:19:22,934 I don't understand, I just don't understand this thought process. 399 00:19:22,934 --> 00:19:25,166 And it's always the innocents that suffer. 400 00:19:25,166 --> 00:19:27,300 Because even the dogs are innocents. 401 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,767 Clearly the babies, but clearly the dogs are innocents. 402 00:19:30,767 --> 00:19:33,900 You know, they just wanna be fed and have a home with... 403 00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:38,333 You're not, a four-month-old puppy eating bread until they can find somebody 404 00:19:38,333 --> 00:19:40,367 that can give them something more nourishing. 405 00:19:40,367 --> 00:19:44,567 It's absolutely outrageous and irresponsible and tragic. 406 00:19:44,567 --> 00:19:46,533 That's what I think. 407 00:19:46,533 --> 00:19:51,133 Life isn't getting any different from what it was 40 years ago. 408 00:19:51,834 --> 00:19:53,667 - It just stays the same. - Mm-hmm. 409 00:19:53,667 --> 00:19:58,033 Well, at least the Golden Retriever is in a good home, goes to the vet. 410 00:19:58,033 --> 00:20:00,100 Hopefully it's getting fed real dog food. 411 00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:04,467 So there's a bright side or a silver lining in the end of that. 412 00:20:04,467 --> 00:20:05,433 - So... - Right. 413 00:20:05,433 --> 00:20:07,066 Now, if you could just find reasonable parents 414 00:20:07,066 --> 00:20:09,734 to take care of these two children that they created. 415 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,867 {\an8}[announcer] Want justice? 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