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You perform marriages for a lot of people.

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Yes.

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He offered us money for reporting her.

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He said, I'll give you money
if you go report her to a county clerk.

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She had a separate conversation with him.

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So, he didn't offer you anything.

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-No.
-Okay, sit down.

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Not a good witness.

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[narrator]
This is Judy Justice.

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[theme music playing]

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[narrator]
Jennifer Flores is suing fellow minister,

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Jean-Claude Bensoussan
for defamation and lost wages.

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[Kevin]
Court, come to order. All rise.

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[Judy]
Have a seat, please.

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Judge, case 4039,
Flores versus Bensoussan.

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-Okie-dokie. Thank you.
-You're welcome.

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[Judy] Now, you both somehow
became marriage officiants.

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And each of you claim that the other
slandered them in your professions.

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How did you become
someone who could perform marriages?

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I was working for an attorney,

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and we would get a lot of clients

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that were seeking to get married
in county jail,

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but they just didn't have services
like that.

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So, we didn't know where to refer them to.

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So, at that time, my cousin
had gone and married in county jail.

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And she had an experience,
and she was like,

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you should get a certificate,
it's only a little certificate.

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And I'm early; I go inside
the county jails to serve people--

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Just a second.
So, you became a marriage officiant

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-by getting a certificate.
-Yes.

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Do you have to pay money for it?

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-[Jennifer] Yes.
-How much?

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Forty-seven dollars.

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And you do that now as, I assume,
a side hustle.

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Yes.

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How much do you charge
to perform weddings?

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If they have I.D., $475,

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if they don't have I.D., it's $600.

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What kind of I.D. do they need
and what would be the difference?

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[Jennifer]
Any government issued I.D.

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In California, there's only certain clerks
that will issue a marriage license

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with the inmate not having
specific identification.

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Well, if they don't have identification
and they can't get a license,

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how do you marry them?

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There's another clerk recorders.
There's two in the state of California

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that as of right now, issue them
with just the Inability to Appear.

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And that's where we go.
It's about, one is three hours away

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from where I'm at,
the other's almost five.

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I don't understand that.

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So, there's a form that's called
the Inability to Appear.

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You can only get that for two reasons;
incarceration and hospitalization.

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That verifies through a notary,
I'm also a notary,

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but I don't do these notaries.

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So, when my notary goes inside
to get that form,

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she's verifying that that is that person
and no one else.

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So, there's two clerks in California
that will issue it

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just with Inability to Appear.
All the other clerks

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want the Inability to Appear, plus I.D.

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and birth certificate
and the Inability to Appear.

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So, it's a little more trouble to get it
without an I.D.

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-Yes.
-[Judy] Okay.

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Now, sir, how did you get to be
a marriage officiant?

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It was the same as her.

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Same. So, you paid $47.
And you've been doing it for how long?

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Twenty-five years.

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You've been doing it since--

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January 16, 2022, I got ordained.

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Okay. Now, you say that the plaintiff

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has been slandering you for years.

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Tell me what proof you have of that.

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Well, we have Genesis here,

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who can testify what happened
at the jail not long ago.

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-At the jail?
-Yes. Inside the jail.

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Okay.

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Tell me your name.

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Good evening, Your Honor,
my name is Genesis.

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How do you know him?

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Well, I had hired him to marry me
and my husband in jail

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because I was gonna go to Ms. Flores,

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and I didn't decide to hire her
because I wanted a proper ceremony.

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And I asked her what were her services.

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She told me that she, at the time,
she will only have me to sign paperwork

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and my husband sign paperwork,
but separated, no ceremony.

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So, I thought that was illegal.
So, that's when I hired--

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-Okay. So, you called Ms. Flores first.
-[Genesis] Yeah.

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How did you get their names?

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So, Ms. Flores,
I seen her on social media,

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'cause I was eager to marry my husband.

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And that's when I contacted her
and asked her for her services.

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So, you saw her on social media.

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-Yeah.
-[Judy] And in your conversation,

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-your husband is incarcerated.
-[Genesis] Yeah.

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And she said, you each sign paperwork
and there's no ceremony

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-that she performs.
-Yeah. Yeah.

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Do you remember that conversation?

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-Just-- That's either a yes...
-No.

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-...or a no.
-No.

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Okay. Do you ever sign off
on marriages

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where the two parties
just sign paperwork?

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Your Honor, there's no way to.

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Okay, that's all I want to know.

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-So then, you called him.
-Yes.

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And you met him where?

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Um, actually, one of the inmates inside
got married by him.

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So, he just passed me on the number
to Jean.

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Did the defendant actually
perform the ceremony for you?

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-Yes.
-[Judy] When? On what date?

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On June 15th, on a Saturday.

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And what did he charge you?

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He charged me $1,000, only because
my husband doesn't have papers.

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And we had to travel four hours away

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to go to a, I guess to a clerk
where they could approve it.

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That's what you were talking about
if you don't have I.D.

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Yes, ma'am.

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And did you ever have conversations
with Ms. Flores about the defendant?

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No. I didn't know nothing about her
until when the day of my marriage.

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Um, me and him had entered,
and we were just sitting--

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-[Judy] Entered where?
-The facility.

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And we sat down.
And while we were waiting

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for them to call my husband,
that's when she came up to us

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and started slandering him
in front of me and my witness.

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What did she say?

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[Genesis] She just started telling me
that he was a scam

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and that he does girls dirty
and doesn't do the full service,

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and that she felt bad for me.

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You remember that conversation?

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Not that conversation,
but there was a conversation.

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[Judy]
Okay.

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[theme music playing]

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Me and my friend, at the time,
we were like, uh-oh, here we go.

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[Judy]
Just a second. So, you knew

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that there was some friction
between the two of them.

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[Ryan]
I had--

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-That's either a yes or a no.
-Yes, I did.

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And how did you know that?

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[theme music playing]

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[narrator]
Jennifer Flores claims fellow minister,

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Jean-Claude Bensoussan,
owes for defamation and lost wages.

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Jean-Claude is countersuing
for loss of business,

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defamation and plagiarism.

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So, tell me what you remember
of the conversation.

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So, they were sitting on a bench.

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I was there performing
five different marriages

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from weeks before when I got the licenses.

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-And?
-I walked back to perform a ceremony,

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'cause they had called the inmate
that was gonna get married.

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Um, actually, Ryan was sitting there
as well, with someone else.

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Just a second. Were you there?

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-Yes.
-[Judy] Go outside.

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-Go outside now.
-[Ryan] Okay.

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[Judy]
Okay, we're gonna take this step by step.

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You went in the back,
you performed a ceremony.

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-Yes.
-And?

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So, Ryan told me that he was,
as soon as I got up,

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that he started just talking about me,

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saying that I was a fraud, they were
not gonna get their marriage licenses.

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And I just looked over
and I told the young lady,

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I go, do you guys have a problem
with me?

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Because this is something that's been
happening constantly, keeps happening.

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And he just went off on me.
And she was like,

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I think it's messed up
that you're slandering him.

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I go, how do you know I'm slandering him
if I've never said anything to you?

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The only person
that you would hear that from is him.

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He looked at me, she was like,
I go, you probably--

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and my exact words were,
you probably went with him

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'cause he was a little bit cheaper.

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She said no, he charged me $1,000
because he doesn't have papers.

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I turn around, as a minister,
I turned around and said,

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Jean, you know that you don't submit
any more documents

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when they don't have papers.

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There's nothing more or less
that you submit

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whether they have immigration status
papers or not.

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It's clear as day, it's--

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Why are you having any conversation
with her at all?

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I'm not the one that initiated.

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She turned around and said,
you need to stop slandering him.

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Just a second.
And what did you say to her?

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I turned around and I was like,
and I said a cuss word.

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I said, what are you... talking about?
'Cause I was already fed up.

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You responded to her, I don't know
what you're blank talking about.

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And she said to you...

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She said, you need to stop slandering him
and saying false stuff about him.

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Okay. And?

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And I said, false stuff what?
I'm not the one, I go--

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Just a second.
Let's go very slowly, make sure.

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Because now, your witness is gonna come in
and she hasn't heard all of this.

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-Yes.
-So, she's gonna tell me

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her recollection of it.
So, let's go very, very slowly.

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Why are you blank slandering him?
And you say to her...

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I never slandered anybody.
And I go, you probably went with him,

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that's when I said, you probably
went with him 'cause he's cheaper.

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Then she responded, actually, no,
he charged me over $1,000.

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That's when I turned around and
I wasn't engaging with her no more at all.

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And I turned around and I told Jean,
I said, me and you both know

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that you shouldn't have charged her
anything extra

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because there's no extra paperwork.
And I go, if you don't--

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Why did you get involved with that?

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Because she was telling me,
you didn't want to marry me

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because he doesn't have
immigration status.

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She didn't use the word status.

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Or immigration.
She doesn't have papers.

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He didn't have I.D.
You know, those are fungible terms,

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I.D., immigration status.

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He charged more
because he had to travel four hours.

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You charge more
because you have to travel.

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-He may charge more than you do.
-Yes.

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That's not your business.
I still, I'm not understanding

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why you got into a discussion with her.
I'm still not understanding that.

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All right. Would you
bring in her witness, please?

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-Your last name is?
-Burton. B-U-R-T-O-N.

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All right, Ms. Burton,
we are going to fast forward

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to the time in the county jail.
What were you doing there with her?

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I visit my husband as well.
My husband is also incarcerated.

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Did you know her
from before this incident?

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I did know her before this incident
because she actually did ordain me.

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-No, she didn't ordain you.
-I mean,

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she performed the ceremony,
I'm sorry, yes.

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[Judy] So, you were there
visiting your husband.

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Yeah, I go every weekend.

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And I'd like you to tell me,
Ms. Flores got up

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-to perform the wedding. She came out.
-Yes.

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I want you to tell me what you heard,
because you were sitting right there.

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So, the inmate got called,
so she goes with the wife of the inmate.

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They go back there, does the ceremony
and then, she comes right back out.

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So, when she came out,
I did notice that he turned his head.

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-[Judy] Yes?
-[Ryan] Um, and so,

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me and my friend, at the time,
we were like, uh-oh,

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we were bumping elbows
'cause we're like, here we go.

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[Judy]
Just a second. So, you knew

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that there was some friction
between the two of them?

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-I had--
-[Judy] That's either a yes or a no.

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Yes, I did.

233
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And how did you know that?

234
00:11:45,567 --> 00:11:48,033
[Ryan] I knew that
because prior to this situation,

235
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one particular day, a Saturday,
I was coming out from my visit,

236
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and he was standing outside of the door.
And so, I did hear him mention Jennifer.

237
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And I believe it was
with a potential witness.

238
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And as he was stating
the best bet is to go with me.

239
00:12:04,233 --> 00:12:07,266
Because there are other officiants here

240
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that do fraud and do scam
and will play you out your money.

241
00:12:10,667 --> 00:12:12,800
So, I already knew
who the other officiant--

242
00:12:12,867 --> 00:12:14,200
-[Judy] Just a second.
-Sorry.

243
00:12:14,266 --> 00:12:16,200
-[Judy] He didn't name anybody.
-No.

244
00:12:16,266 --> 00:12:18,166
-That's all you heard?
-That's all I heard.

245
00:12:18,233 --> 00:12:21,633
Okay. So now, you come out and
you see him looking his eyes like this.

246
00:12:21,700 --> 00:12:25,333
Yeah, he not looking his eyes,
he turned his head.

247
00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:26,867
Turned his head, and...?

248
00:12:26,934 --> 00:12:30,834
And so, as he's turning his head,
she came and sat right back down with us.

249
00:12:30,900 --> 00:12:32,867
-[Judy] Okay.
-So, once that happened,

250
00:12:32,934 --> 00:12:37,600
and whatever the case may be, now
he's going in whispering to his witness.

251
00:12:37,667 --> 00:12:39,734
As he's whispering to his witness,

252
00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:44,066
she turns around and looks at Jennifer and
says, "You really shouldn't slander him."

253
00:12:44,133 --> 00:12:45,400
Okay. And?

254
00:12:45,467 --> 00:12:47,767
-And we all looked at each other--
-[Judy] Shh.

255
00:12:47,834 --> 00:12:48,900
Sorry.

256
00:12:48,967 --> 00:12:51,066
I don't want to hear
what you all looked at.

257
00:12:51,133 --> 00:12:54,433
What did Ms. Flores respond?

258
00:12:54,500 --> 00:12:58,934
Ms. Flores said, "How am I slandering him
and I don't even know you?"

259
00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,100
Okay. And you're sure about that?

260
00:13:01,166 --> 00:13:03,300
-Positive.
-[Judy] How is he slandering you

261
00:13:03,367 --> 00:13:05,633
-and I don't even know you.
-[Ryan] Yes.

262
00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:07,433
And then, what was said?

263
00:13:07,500 --> 00:13:10,667
And then, the witness went on to saying--

264
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No, look at me.

265
00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,100
The witness went on to saying about how
you say he's a fraud, you say he's this,

266
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and Jennifer's reaction was, how can I say
anything about him if I don't know you.

267
00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,600
I can't tell you something about
somebody else if I've never spoken to you.

268
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Then, after that, I got called.

269
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[Judy]
Just a second.

270
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-Okay, sit down.
-[Ryan] Okay.

271
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Okay. Now, we're gonna come to you.

272
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273
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You were with her when he discussed
with Laylani in person

274
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about what the services were.

275
00:13:41,033 --> 00:13:42,367
-Yes.
-And?

276
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And he offered us additional money
for reporting her.

277
00:13:46,967 --> 00:13:48,266
-Oh!
-[Judy] Just a second.

278
00:13:48,333 --> 00:13:54,333
I want you to tell me exactly
what he allegedly said to you.

279
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[theme music playing]

280
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[narrator] Jennifer Flores
is accusing fellow minister,

281
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Jean-Claude Bensoussan, of defaming her
and making false reports to the county.

282
00:14:13,867 --> 00:14:17,800
Jean-Claude claims Jennifer
plagiarized his website.

283
00:14:17,867 --> 00:14:21,033
Now, the second part of your lawsuit is...

284
00:14:22,500 --> 00:14:25,934
that she copied your website.

285
00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,000
Yes.

286
00:14:27,066 --> 00:14:29,600
Are you saying she copied the services
that are on it?

287
00:14:29,667 --> 00:14:31,633
-I'll take a look.
-She copied the content.

288
00:14:31,700 --> 00:14:32,967
Verbatim.

289
00:14:33,033 --> 00:14:34,333
Just let me see it.

290
00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:36,934
[Jean-Claude]
This is...

291
00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,900
This is all the website.

292
00:14:40,967 --> 00:14:44,000
And then, we pull out the content
and that's what is here.

293
00:14:52,433 --> 00:14:55,600
No, none of this
is proprietary information, sir.

294
00:14:55,667 --> 00:14:57,033
It's very straightforward.

295
00:14:57,100 --> 00:15:00,734
You can perform marriages in jail,
she can perform marriages in jail.

296
00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:05,633
She lists the names, the addresses of
all the places she can perform marriages.

297
00:15:05,700 --> 00:15:09,734
You list all the names and addresses of
the places you can perform marriages.

298
00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,900
There's nothing that is proprietary.

299
00:15:11,967 --> 00:15:15,100
Listen, is there not enough business
for both of you?

300
00:15:15,166 --> 00:15:16,567
There is.

301
00:15:16,633 --> 00:15:19,934
Okay. So, I would suggest that you
stop bad-mouthing each other.

302
00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,633
Neither one of you proved really anything,

303
00:15:22,700 --> 00:15:25,500
other than you're not talking nicely
about somebody else.

304
00:15:25,567 --> 00:15:30,633
And neither of you have any proof
whatsoever that you lost any business.

305
00:15:30,700 --> 00:15:33,000
I actually did lose money.

306
00:15:33,066 --> 00:15:36,900
He actually had Ashley report me
to Orange County Clerk Recorder.

307
00:15:36,967 --> 00:15:40,633
I was placed under investigation and
I was just cleared on September 12th.

308
00:15:40,700 --> 00:15:42,165
[Judy]
Who's Ashley?

309
00:15:42,233 --> 00:15:44,133
That's you. Step up.

310
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Sorry.

311
00:15:48,233 --> 00:15:50,133
So, tell me who you are.

312
00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,033
Hi, so, my name is Ashley.

313
00:15:52,100 --> 00:15:53,800
-[Judy] Ashley what?
-Garcia.

314
00:15:53,867 --> 00:15:55,367
[Judy]
Okay. And?

315
00:15:55,433 --> 00:15:58,133
Um, I'm a friend of Laylani's.

316
00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:59,333
Who is Laylani?

317
00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,600
Laylani is one of my dearest friends.

318
00:16:01,667 --> 00:16:03,700
He was gonna perform a service for her.

319
00:16:03,767 --> 00:16:06,300
She was very nervous
about the whole process

320
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and wanted to inquire about it.

321
00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:09,900
Did you ever speak to him?

322
00:16:09,967 --> 00:16:11,300
-Yes.
-When?

323
00:16:11,367 --> 00:16:13,667
June 27th, when I went with my friend

324
00:16:13,734 --> 00:16:16,734
to go see about
her getting potentially married.

325
00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,967
She felt like she wanted
the moral support.

326
00:16:19,033 --> 00:16:22,200
You were with her when he discussed
with Laylani

327
00:16:22,266 --> 00:16:24,767
-in person about what the services were?
-Yes.

328
00:16:24,834 --> 00:16:25,967
Okay. And?

329
00:16:26,033 --> 00:16:30,700
And he offered us additional money
for reporting her.

330
00:16:30,767 --> 00:16:32,133
-Oh!
-[Judy] Just a second.

331
00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,533
I want you to tell me exactly

332
00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,633
what he allegedly said to you.

333
00:16:38,700 --> 00:16:44,667
So, he stated that, um, he was willing
to give us an extra amount of money,

334
00:16:44,734 --> 00:16:46,767
-and also--
-How much was he willing--

335
00:16:46,834 --> 00:16:48,500
About $200 cash.

336
00:16:48,567 --> 00:16:52,567
He was willing to give you $200 cash
if you what?

337
00:16:52,633 --> 00:16:58,165
If we reported her to the county as, um,
her not performing her services,

338
00:16:58,233 --> 00:17:01,266
or fraudulently performing her services.

339
00:17:01,333 --> 00:17:03,133
No, it's not making sense to me.

340
00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,733
She went there
to inquire about getting married.

341
00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,433
-Yes.
-How does her name even come up?

342
00:17:08,500 --> 00:17:12,934
Her name came up because he
spoke about her being another officiant.

343
00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,867
No, he would never bring her up
as being another officiant.

344
00:17:15,934 --> 00:17:18,900
He would never bring her up.
Why would he bring up a competitor

345
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of being another officiant?
He had a potential client

346
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who came with a friend
to find out about the service.

347
00:17:24,633 --> 00:17:27,800
-Mm-hmm.
-I don't understand how her name came up.

348
00:17:27,867 --> 00:17:30,133
Your friend is asking
about getting married.

349
00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,400
And how did her name come up

350
00:17:33,467 --> 00:17:36,967
in this alleged bribe that he made to you?

351
00:17:37,033 --> 00:17:39,600
[Ashley] As I mentioned,
I just went as moral support--

352
00:17:39,667 --> 00:17:41,834
[Judy]
I don't care what you went there.

353
00:17:41,900 --> 00:17:44,834
I don't care if you went there
as a Chia pet.

354
00:17:44,900 --> 00:17:50,333
I don't care.
I want to know what you want me to buy

355
00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:56,367
as to how her name came up,
and he said, to two perfect strangers,

356
00:17:56,433 --> 00:18:00,533
I'll give you money
if you go report her to a county clerk.

357
00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,467
So, like I mentioned,
she was asking about the services.

358
00:18:04,533 --> 00:18:06,567
She had a separate conversation with him.

359
00:18:06,633 --> 00:18:09,300
Were you there when she had
this separate conversation?

360
00:18:09,367 --> 00:18:12,166
-[Ashley] No, she stepped away.
-Shh. So she, okay.

361
00:18:12,233 --> 00:18:15,734
Now we're getting somewhere.
So, she stepped away with him.

362
00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,200
And then she came back with him,
or alone?

363
00:18:19,266 --> 00:18:23,533
She came back alone
with the offer that he had made her.

364
00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,033
No. She came back alone
and he wasn't there.

365
00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:30,200
-No.
-So, you had a conversation with her.

366
00:18:30,266 --> 00:18:32,266
-Yes.
-[Judy] That's hearsay.

367
00:18:32,333 --> 00:18:34,467
So, he didn't offer you anything.

368
00:18:34,533 --> 00:18:36,066
-No, not directly.
-Sit.

369
00:18:40,233 --> 00:18:44,166
Not a good witness for you to bring.
You understand that, Ms. Flores?

370
00:18:44,233 --> 00:18:47,166
I was just bringing her
'cause of the story they both told me

371
00:18:47,233 --> 00:18:48,900
about the situation that happened.

372
00:18:48,967 --> 00:18:50,567
She didn't hear anything.

373
00:18:50,633 --> 00:18:53,734
No, but she's the one that called
the county clerk to report me

374
00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,433
to the clerk when I got suspended.

375
00:18:55,500 --> 00:18:58,533
Whether she did that or not,
that was on her.

376
00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,900
How do I know that
that was at his direction?

377
00:19:00,967 --> 00:19:04,633
Maybe it was at her friend's direction?
He didn't tell her to do anything.

378
00:19:04,700 --> 00:19:07,200
Because nobody knew about the suspending.
Only him--

379
00:19:07,266 --> 00:19:09,433
He didn't tell her to do anything.

380
00:19:09,500 --> 00:19:11,734
She first testified
that they were together,

381
00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,100
and that he made this offer
to both of them.

382
00:19:14,166 --> 00:19:15,900
But that wasn't true.

383
00:19:15,967 --> 00:19:19,734
Do you understand why it's sketchy?
It just didn't make sense to me.

384
00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,133
Your case is dismissed.
Yours too, sir.

385
00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,567
I suggest you both learn
to live with each other.

386
00:19:24,633 --> 00:19:26,400
-Do you understand?
-I do.

387
00:19:26,467 --> 00:19:29,367
You should both learn to live with
each other. You're in the same business.

388
00:19:29,433 --> 00:19:33,367
It sounds as if you're never gonna be
for want of product.

389
00:19:33,433 --> 00:19:36,433
There are a lot of ladies
who want to marry prison inmates.

390
00:19:36,500 --> 00:19:39,266
For what? I haven't a clue.

391
00:19:39,333 --> 00:19:42,900
But maybe I'm from another planet
or another generation.

392
00:19:42,967 --> 00:19:47,800
I would actually like to marry somebody
and do a dance afterwards.

393
00:19:47,867 --> 00:19:50,834
Have a spot of champagne,
you know, something.

394
00:19:50,900 --> 00:19:55,166
Go to a beach somewhere.
When is your husband getting out of jail?

395
00:19:55,233 --> 00:19:57,867
Um, actually, he got 15 to life.

396
00:19:57,934 --> 00:20:00,066
Wonderful. Mazel tov.

397
00:20:00,133 --> 00:20:02,100
-[all laugh]
-We're done.

398
00:20:02,166 --> 00:20:04,000
This court is adjourned.

399
00:20:04,066 --> 00:20:08,633
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400
00:20:08,700 --> 00:20:13,166
All the lies that I heard
from this plaintiff, it's unbelievable.

401
00:20:13,233 --> 00:20:15,133
I was actually placed under investigation

402
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,367
for somebody calling to make a complaint
that I was doing fraud.

403
00:20:18,433 --> 00:20:20,433
So they have to put it
under investigation.

404
00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:23,533
But I've been cleared of everything,
so I can go back to all of them.

405
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,166
Because she wants to be the only one
to do this kind of business,

406
00:20:27,233 --> 00:20:29,200
marrying people incarcerated.

407
00:20:29,266 --> 00:20:31,367
He doesn't like me.
Even on his countersuit

408
00:20:31,433 --> 00:20:33,667
he said I've been defaming him
for four years.

409
00:20:33,734 --> 00:20:38,333
But how is that possible
if my minister's license was since 2022.

410
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,233
I'm not young, so
I will not do that forever. [chuckles]

411
00:20:41,300 --> 00:20:43,000
I'm gonna marry everybody in county jail.

412
00:20:44,867 --> 00:20:49,266
You know, at the very end,
where you asked the defendant's witness

413
00:20:49,333 --> 00:20:52,100
when is your husband,
she just got married in June,

414
00:20:52,166 --> 00:20:54,000
when is he getting out? She said, oh.

415
00:20:54,066 --> 00:20:58,867
It sounded like an oh, in
a couple of weeks. Or oh, next Thursday.

416
00:20:58,934 --> 00:21:02,567
But instead it was,
he's actually serving 15 to life.

417
00:21:02,633 --> 00:21:05,633
And for someone who seemed so young
and well spoken,

418
00:21:05,700 --> 00:21:09,133
and seemed like she had,
at least partially, her act together,

419
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,066
um, shocking. Shocking.

420
00:21:11,133 --> 00:21:14,633
Shocking, yes. Life is a journey.

421
00:21:14,700 --> 00:21:16,100
That it is.

422
00:21:16,166 --> 00:21:19,700
If at the beginning of the journey
you start off on the wrong foot,

423
00:21:19,767 --> 00:21:21,967
sometimes, you can
never recover your balance.

424
00:21:22,033 --> 00:21:23,066
Oh, yeah.

425
00:21:24,467 --> 00:21:26,533
[narrator]
Are you having a family dispute?

426
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,800
Go to JudyJustice.tv.

427
00:21:33,133 --> 00:21:35,600
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