1 00:00:00,133 --> 00:00:02,266 She had you falsely arrested. 2 00:00:03,133 --> 00:00:05,734 She knows if she calls the police and say I did anything, 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:07,467 I have to get my son up. 4 00:00:07,533 --> 00:00:09,600 And your son was with you at that time? 5 00:00:09,667 --> 00:00:10,700 Yes. 6 00:00:10,767 --> 00:00:12,200 He, like, slapped me, like... 7 00:00:12,266 --> 00:00:14,900 She told the police I had choked her. 8 00:00:14,967 --> 00:00:16,433 No. 9 00:00:16,500 --> 00:00:18,633 I want you to know, I don't believe that. 10 00:00:19,166 --> 00:00:22,000 [narrator] This is Judy Justice. 11 00:00:40,100 --> 00:00:44,400 [narrator] Marcus Vega-Tatum is suing the mother of his child, 12 00:00:44,467 --> 00:00:48,100 Jaivana West, for false arrest, defamation, 13 00:00:48,166 --> 00:00:50,633 and destruction of property. 14 00:00:50,700 --> 00:00:52,667 [Kevin] Court, come to order. All rise. 15 00:00:54,033 --> 00:00:55,166 Have a seat, please. 16 00:00:56,767 --> 00:00:59,867 Judge, case 4094, Vega-Tatum v. West. 17 00:00:59,934 --> 00:01:01,533 -Thank you. -[Kevin] You're welcome. 18 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:07,100 Mr. Tatum, you and the defendant had a very, very brief physical relationship. 19 00:01:07,166 --> 00:01:10,734 And as a result of that, you have a child together, a boy. 20 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:11,934 Yes. 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,000 -[Judy] How old is that child? -He's 5. 22 00:01:14,066 --> 00:01:16,934 [Judy] And you and the defendant never lived together. 23 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,800 -No. -[Judy] Do you have other children? 24 00:01:18,867 --> 00:01:20,166 With someone else, yes. 25 00:01:20,233 --> 00:01:21,934 -How many? -[Marcus] I have two. 26 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,200 How old are they? 27 00:01:23,265 --> 00:01:27,333 My oldest is 10, and then the youngest is also 5. 28 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,900 [Judy] And do you live together with that person? 29 00:01:29,967 --> 00:01:32,200 -[Marcus] No. -[Judy] Do you visit with those children? 30 00:01:32,265 --> 00:01:33,333 -Yes. -[Judy] How often? 31 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,265 I have joint custody, so... 32 00:01:35,333 --> 00:01:37,300 You have joint legal and physical custody? 33 00:01:37,366 --> 00:01:39,633 -Yes. -How much time do they spend with you? 34 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:41,333 It's divided, it's 50/50. 35 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,200 So, you live close to their mother. 36 00:01:43,265 --> 00:01:44,600 Yes. 37 00:01:44,667 --> 00:01:47,233 [Judy] Okay. Now, this child, what is his name? 38 00:01:47,300 --> 00:01:48,333 Seconi. 39 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,100 Do you have a court order with regard to his custody? 40 00:01:52,166 --> 00:01:53,700 -[Marcus] Yes. -And what is that? 41 00:01:53,767 --> 00:01:56,233 We alternate every Monday through school. 42 00:01:56,300 --> 00:01:59,100 It's a block schedule, seven days on, seven days off. 43 00:01:59,166 --> 00:02:00,834 -[Judy] So, you alternate weeks. -[Marcus] Yes. 44 00:02:00,900 --> 00:02:03,200 -[Judy] Do you live close to his mother? -Yes. 45 00:02:03,266 --> 00:02:04,800 [Judy] When did that order start? 46 00:02:04,867 --> 00:02:08,366 It started maybe like a year or so ago. 47 00:02:08,433 --> 00:02:11,333 But ever since he was born, we've always had a custody order. 48 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,533 -[Judy] How old are you, sir? -I'm 29. 49 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,767 -[Judy] What do you do for a living? -I coach. 50 00:02:15,834 --> 00:02:18,033 I coach baseball, uh, travel teams. 51 00:02:18,233 --> 00:02:21,300 -Mr. Tatum, you're 29 years old. -Yeah. 52 00:02:21,367 --> 00:02:27,066 Other than your contact with the police, that you say the defendant has initiated, 53 00:02:27,133 --> 00:02:30,033 have you had independent trouble with the police? 54 00:02:30,100 --> 00:02:32,000 When I was younger, like 20. 55 00:02:32,066 --> 00:02:33,600 You remember what that was about? 56 00:02:33,667 --> 00:02:36,000 I had my firearm. I was carrying a firearm. 57 00:02:36,066 --> 00:02:39,867 It was the wrong way. It was a informal probation. I had a firearm. 58 00:02:39,934 --> 00:02:41,333 Let's run by that again. 59 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,333 [Marcus] It was a gun, non-registered owner. 60 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,066 [Judy] What happened with that case? 61 00:02:45,133 --> 00:02:48,233 Informal probation. Three years and that was it. 62 00:02:48,300 --> 00:02:49,734 [Judy] Was that the only instance? 63 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,166 Yes. 64 00:02:51,233 --> 00:02:53,233 Miss West, you have other children? 65 00:02:53,300 --> 00:02:55,400 -Yes. -[Judy] How many others? 66 00:02:55,466 --> 00:02:57,533 -Six. -[Judy] How old are they? 67 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,700 Nine, 5, 3, 2. 68 00:03:00,767 --> 00:03:03,934 I have a set of twins that's 1, and I have a baby that's one month. 69 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,667 [Judy] The other six children, they have one father? 70 00:03:06,734 --> 00:03:10,367 The oldest one has their own dad, and then the last five share a dad. 71 00:03:10,433 --> 00:03:12,233 -And do you live with him? -[Jaivana] No. 72 00:03:12,300 --> 00:03:14,033 Who do you live with, just the children? 73 00:03:14,100 --> 00:03:15,133 Mm-hmm. 74 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,000 -[Judy] Yourself and seven children. -Yes. 75 00:03:17,066 --> 00:03:19,700 -Do you have a boyfriend you live with? -No. 76 00:03:19,767 --> 00:03:23,367 When was the last time you lived with the father of the youngest five children? 77 00:03:23,433 --> 00:03:25,266 Like, June of last year. 78 00:03:25,333 --> 00:03:30,033 Now, there have been some difficulties surrounding visitation, 79 00:03:30,100 --> 00:03:33,200 custody arrangements, transfer of children. 80 00:03:33,266 --> 00:03:38,166 And it is your claim, Mr. Tatum, that the defendant did several things. 81 00:03:38,233 --> 00:03:42,767 She had you falsely arrested. She destroyed some of your property. 82 00:03:42,834 --> 00:03:46,200 And then, you have an allegation of defamation. 83 00:03:46,266 --> 00:03:48,500 You want to start with when this occurred, sir? 84 00:03:48,567 --> 00:03:52,200 It started probably when he was born. We've always had problems. 85 00:03:52,266 --> 00:03:55,900 But then, it was like, the judge ended up giving me joint custody. 86 00:03:55,966 --> 00:04:00,633 So, as I get him, she knows, like, if she calls the police and says anything, 87 00:04:00,700 --> 00:04:04,400 they'll come out and issue us an EPO, a seven-day restraining order. 88 00:04:04,467 --> 00:04:08,367 And then, they'll either pick it up, or they will drop it. 89 00:04:08,433 --> 00:04:09,900 -So... -[Judy] Okay. Now, 90 00:04:09,967 --> 00:04:12,266 tell me about this false arrest. When was it? 91 00:04:12,333 --> 00:04:17,132 It happened in November, almost right before Thanksgiving 92 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,767 in 2023. 93 00:04:18,834 --> 00:04:22,400 I had my son. And before that, I had temporary full custody. 94 00:04:22,467 --> 00:04:25,467 [Judy] You had temporary full custody, sir. 95 00:04:25,533 --> 00:04:29,166 And was that the incident that I read about 96 00:04:29,233 --> 00:04:32,633 -when you allege that the child was hit? -Yes. 97 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:36,400 Just so that I put that in context. Sometime in 2023, 98 00:04:36,467 --> 00:04:40,233 you had your custody week, you noticed a bruise on the child's back. 99 00:04:40,300 --> 00:04:41,300 Yes. 100 00:04:41,367 --> 00:04:43,933 [Judy] The child was at that time 3 and a half or 4. 101 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,600 -You took the child to an emergency room? -Correct. 102 00:04:46,667 --> 00:04:49,433 Do you have any report from that emergency room? 103 00:04:49,500 --> 00:04:50,633 They just, uh-- 104 00:04:50,700 --> 00:04:53,000 -[Judy] Do you have any-- -I don't have a report. 105 00:04:53,066 --> 00:04:55,900 -[Judy] Do you have any photograph? -Of his back, yes. 106 00:04:55,967 --> 00:04:59,367 At the time that you took him to the emergency room. I'd like to see it. 107 00:05:01,567 --> 00:05:04,400 -How old are you, Miss West? -Twenty-five. 108 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,166 Yeah. You're talking about the two long welts... 109 00:05:16,233 --> 00:05:19,266 -Yes. -...that you see in this photograph. 110 00:05:19,332 --> 00:05:20,900 -Here and here. -Yes. 111 00:05:20,967 --> 00:05:22,900 [Judy] Do you remember the date of this? 112 00:05:22,967 --> 00:05:24,233 [Marcus] Not the exact date, no. 113 00:05:24,300 --> 00:05:25,633 [Judy] Month? 114 00:05:25,700 --> 00:05:26,967 It would've been September. 115 00:05:27,033 --> 00:05:29,700 -[Judy] September of 2023? -Yes. 116 00:05:29,767 --> 00:05:32,600 -And based upon this... -Mm-hmm. 117 00:05:32,667 --> 00:05:38,332 ...the court changed the alternate week custody to temporary custody to you. 118 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:39,467 Yes. 119 00:05:39,533 --> 00:05:43,667 [Judy] And I assume that they called Child Protective Services. 120 00:05:43,734 --> 00:05:45,200 Is that correct? 121 00:05:45,266 --> 00:05:46,367 Yes. 122 00:05:46,433 --> 00:05:48,533 Stop bobbing up and down. 123 00:05:51,900 --> 00:05:55,567 These are linear marks on the child's back, 124 00:05:55,633 --> 00:05:58,867 which clearly suggests that he was hit with something. 125 00:05:58,933 --> 00:06:04,500 And he's not crazy enough to hit the child on the back 126 00:06:04,567 --> 00:06:07,166 and then take him to an emergency room. 127 00:06:16,166 --> 00:06:20,233 [narrator] Marcus Vega-Tatum claims the mother of his child, 128 00:06:20,300 --> 00:06:25,133 Jaivana West, made false accusations leading to his arrest. 129 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,533 Jaivana is countersuing Marcus 130 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,633 for filing a false CPS report and an assault. 131 00:06:31,700 --> 00:06:33,633 Now, Child Protective Services 132 00:06:33,700 --> 00:06:36,467 came out and saw you and your other children. 133 00:06:36,533 --> 00:06:38,767 Yes. My son was with me when they came. 134 00:06:38,834 --> 00:06:40,700 -[Judy] What? -My son was with me when they came. 135 00:06:40,767 --> 00:06:42,900 Do you remember the date that they came? 136 00:06:42,967 --> 00:06:45,467 Mm, it was like towards the end of September. 137 00:06:45,533 --> 00:06:47,300 I don't remember the exact day. 138 00:06:47,367 --> 00:06:50,933 [Judy] It's at that time when they came, they removed him from your custody? 139 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,767 -[Jaivana] No. -[Judy] What did they do? 140 00:06:52,834 --> 00:06:54,567 First, he had contacted me. 141 00:06:54,633 --> 00:06:58,834 He had told me he had needed to basically come out and speak with me. 142 00:06:58,900 --> 00:07:03,834 Was this before or after the plaintiff had gotten a temporary custody? 143 00:07:03,900 --> 00:07:05,333 No, this was before. 144 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:06,467 This is before. 145 00:07:06,533 --> 00:07:10,600 Yes. But this is when, I guess, he had taken him to the hospital. 146 00:07:10,667 --> 00:07:12,400 [Judy] He took him to the hospital. 147 00:07:12,467 --> 00:07:15,066 So, my son had came back that following Monday. 148 00:07:15,133 --> 00:07:17,633 He asked me what was a good day for him to come. 149 00:07:17,700 --> 00:07:20,033 I let him know what day he could come. 150 00:07:20,100 --> 00:07:23,900 Um, he came out. He asked me if he could speak with my son alone. 151 00:07:23,967 --> 00:07:26,433 I asked him what was it regarding. 152 00:07:26,500 --> 00:07:30,233 He explained to me the situation. He asked me 153 00:07:30,300 --> 00:07:33,000 do I whoop my kids, basically, with the belt. 154 00:07:33,066 --> 00:07:36,000 Mm-hmm. Just a second. He asked you that? 155 00:07:36,066 --> 00:07:38,066 -Mm-hmm. -[Judy] Because clearly, 156 00:07:38,133 --> 00:07:42,033 these are linear marks on the child's back, 157 00:07:42,100 --> 00:07:45,900 which clearly suggests that he was hit with something. 158 00:07:45,967 --> 00:07:47,233 You understand that? 159 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:49,000 Yes, I understand that. 160 00:07:49,066 --> 00:07:54,100 So, the question is, he didn't do it to himself. 161 00:07:54,166 --> 00:07:56,800 So, somebody else did it. Right? 162 00:07:56,867 --> 00:07:58,033 Yes. 163 00:07:58,100 --> 00:08:03,700 And he's not crazy enough to hit the child on the back 164 00:08:03,767 --> 00:08:08,433 with a something and then take him to an emergency room. 165 00:08:08,500 --> 00:08:12,767 I want you to know, I don't believe that. Just so that you know. 166 00:08:12,834 --> 00:08:17,867 Now, when they did their investigation, what did they do? 167 00:08:17,934 --> 00:08:19,967 -Um-- -[Judy] Um is not an answer. 168 00:08:20,033 --> 00:08:22,133 After they did their investigation, 169 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,600 was your child immediately returned to your custody? 170 00:08:25,667 --> 00:08:28,800 -We went to court-- -Just a-- So, the answer is no. 171 00:08:28,867 --> 00:08:34,265 Our court order was put back into place for our seven-day block for joint custody. 172 00:08:34,332 --> 00:08:35,866 [Judy] On what date? 173 00:08:35,933 --> 00:08:37,332 Um, November first. 174 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,000 So, between September and November, where was the child? 175 00:08:41,066 --> 00:08:42,734 [Jaivana] He was with his dad. 176 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:45,100 [Judy] Who helps you take care of these children? 177 00:08:45,165 --> 00:08:46,934 He helps take care of his son, 178 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,400 and my other kids' dads helps take care of them. 179 00:08:49,467 --> 00:08:51,633 [Judy] Now, how do you support your children? 180 00:08:51,700 --> 00:08:53,767 -I work. -[Judy] For whom? 181 00:08:53,834 --> 00:08:57,033 -I do security, and I work at... -Doing what? 182 00:08:57,100 --> 00:08:58,700 A warehouse associate. 183 00:08:58,767 --> 00:09:01,066 -[Judy] How many days a week? -Four. 184 00:09:01,133 --> 00:09:03,467 Do you get any other assistance for the children? 185 00:09:03,533 --> 00:09:05,300 -[Jaivana] No. -Nothing? 186 00:09:05,367 --> 00:09:07,667 -No food stamps, no nothing? -[Jaivana] No. 187 00:09:07,734 --> 00:09:11,033 -[Judy] Do you live in an apartment? -No, I live in a duplex. 188 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:13,667 -Is it a rental or do you own it? -I rent. 189 00:09:13,734 --> 00:09:17,567 -How long have you lived there? -Um, I just moved there in October. 190 00:09:17,633 --> 00:09:20,567 -And how much rent do you pay? -[Jaivana] Twenty-seven hundred. 191 00:09:20,633 --> 00:09:22,166 [Judy] Where do you get the money from? 192 00:09:22,233 --> 00:09:23,266 I work. 193 00:09:23,333 --> 00:09:25,400 Do you know how she makes a living? 194 00:09:25,467 --> 00:09:26,900 I don't know. 195 00:09:26,967 --> 00:09:29,166 Do you know how she feeds six children? 196 00:09:29,233 --> 00:09:30,500 I couldn't tell you-- 197 00:09:30,567 --> 00:09:34,433 So, tell me when you were arrested, sir. Now we have the history. 198 00:09:34,500 --> 00:09:37,500 On what date were you arrested? Because that's what-- 199 00:09:37,567 --> 00:09:40,967 I got arrested, probably like a week before Thanksgiving. 200 00:09:41,033 --> 00:09:43,165 -Tell me about it. -[Marcus] I had my son. 201 00:09:43,233 --> 00:09:47,066 I assumed I still had full custody 'cause when we went to court on the first, 202 00:09:47,133 --> 00:09:49,433 we didn't see a judge. Something had happened. 203 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:51,800 She was in there. I had left, came back. 204 00:09:51,867 --> 00:09:53,700 I guess I had to refile, they dropped our case. 205 00:09:53,767 --> 00:09:57,700 So, instead of me having full custody, it went back to week on, week off. 206 00:09:57,767 --> 00:09:59,333 What do you mean you left? 207 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,100 We were at the courthouse and it was full, and the judge told everybody to go out. 208 00:10:03,166 --> 00:10:05,400 When we went out, I had went to the bathroom, 209 00:10:05,467 --> 00:10:07,900 they called our case, but I wasn't in there. 210 00:10:07,967 --> 00:10:09,567 I didn't even know what happened. 211 00:10:09,633 --> 00:10:12,400 -[Judy] You didn't ask? -They said you have to refile 212 00:10:12,467 --> 00:10:14,166 or your gonna have to come back and wait. 213 00:10:14,233 --> 00:10:16,233 And your son was with you at that time? 214 00:10:16,300 --> 00:10:18,333 -Yes. -[Judy] Okay. So, what happened? 215 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,967 So, I'm back home, it's my week, I have my son. 216 00:10:21,033 --> 00:10:23,800 But she knows if she calls the police and say I did anything, 217 00:10:23,867 --> 00:10:26,600 they'll come out and issue a seven-day restraining order 218 00:10:26,667 --> 00:10:30,200 where I have to give my son up, and I can't contact her or my son. 219 00:10:30,266 --> 00:10:33,500 I got that. I do understand that that can happen. 220 00:10:33,567 --> 00:10:37,066 So, you left the courthouse. Your son was with whom when you were in court? 221 00:10:37,133 --> 00:10:39,867 I believe he was at school while I was in court. 222 00:10:39,934 --> 00:10:41,066 When were you arrested? 223 00:10:41,133 --> 00:10:44,767 I was arrested, like, the week, or two weeks before Thanksgiving. 224 00:10:44,834 --> 00:10:46,533 -[Judy] You told me that. -Yes. 225 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,633 But I need to know the circumstances. 226 00:10:48,700 --> 00:10:52,433 Oh, she came to my house and she told the police I had choked her. 227 00:10:52,500 --> 00:10:54,467 -[Judy] She came to your house? -[Marcus] Yes. 228 00:10:54,533 --> 00:10:56,200 Do you remember going to his house? 229 00:10:56,266 --> 00:10:57,667 [Jaivana] I did go to his house. 230 00:10:57,734 --> 00:10:59,567 You went to his house. Tell me why. 231 00:10:59,633 --> 00:11:04,033 Actually, I went because in our court order, his address is listed. 232 00:11:04,467 --> 00:11:07,734 Pretty much, my son was supposed to be returned back to me, 233 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,633 I think, November 5th or November 4th. 234 00:11:10,700 --> 00:11:12,934 I can't remember exactly what day it was. 235 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,433 But I know this was at the time we were switching off on Sundays. 236 00:11:16,500 --> 00:11:20,367 The judge had told me basically I could get my son back that Sunday. 237 00:11:20,433 --> 00:11:24,767 He told me to just wait until the day that we're supposed to switch back. 238 00:11:24,834 --> 00:11:29,367 I told him that was fine. I would have my aunt go with me to pick my son up. 239 00:11:29,433 --> 00:11:31,867 I went to the police department that Sunday-- 240 00:11:31,934 --> 00:11:33,600 [Judy] Why did you go to-- 241 00:11:33,667 --> 00:11:35,700 That was our drop-off and pick-up location. 242 00:11:35,767 --> 00:11:39,233 [Judy] The drop-off and pick-up was not at your homes. 243 00:11:39,300 --> 00:11:41,834 Due to prior trouble, it was at a police station. 244 00:11:41,900 --> 00:11:45,066 -Yes. -So, you went to a police station and... 245 00:11:45,133 --> 00:11:50,133 So, I had went. Technically, we're supposed to wait 15 minutes, I believe. 246 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,467 Well, did you wait for the day that was the ordinary transfer? 247 00:11:53,533 --> 00:11:57,133 I waited for the day and the time that I was supposed to pick my son up. 248 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,033 He never showed up. I texted him, I called him. 249 00:12:01,100 --> 00:12:04,066 Actually, where he was with my son, he just kept telling me 250 00:12:04,133 --> 00:12:06,767 I wasn't getting him. He was like, you can get visitation with him. 251 00:12:06,834 --> 00:12:09,667 I was like, my son is supposed to be returned back to me today. 252 00:12:09,734 --> 00:12:14,500 Um, I contacted the police. Um, I had made a report. 253 00:12:14,567 --> 00:12:17,233 He had told me to just keep trying to get my son. 254 00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:19,300 Can I see the police report you filed? 255 00:12:19,367 --> 00:12:23,533 These two is from... I think one of them is from when he went to jail 256 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:28,300 and the other one is the day that I tried to get him back the first time. 257 00:12:30,767 --> 00:12:32,533 Now, at what point did he hit you? 258 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,867 He was telling me he wasn't giving me my son 259 00:12:34,934 --> 00:12:37,600 because there was court papers that he needed to serve me with. 260 00:12:37,667 --> 00:12:40,967 So, in the midst of him talking to me, he slapped me. 261 00:12:41,033 --> 00:12:45,900 Like, his hand, basically, he cut me-- not cut me, but like scratched me, 262 00:12:45,967 --> 00:12:49,200 like under my-- not really under my eye, but like, right here. 263 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,066 [narrator] Marcus Vega-Tatum is accusing the mother of his child, 264 00:13:03,133 --> 00:13:07,300 Jaivana West, of filing a false abuse report. 265 00:13:07,367 --> 00:13:12,367 Jaivana is countersuing for filing a false CPS report and an assault. 266 00:13:12,433 --> 00:13:15,900 Okay. This is November the 6th. 267 00:13:15,967 --> 00:13:19,133 And it says you arrived at the exchange location. 268 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,066 It says that you waited and he never showed up. 269 00:13:22,133 --> 00:13:25,600 Okay. So, let's get to when you were arrested, sir. 270 00:13:25,667 --> 00:13:27,333 Yeah, she told the police I-- 271 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,700 -[Judy] She came to your house. -She came to my house. 272 00:13:29,767 --> 00:13:32,734 [Judy] She agrees she came to yours. That was on the 6th of November. 273 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,200 -Is that right? -[Jaivana] No. 274 00:13:34,266 --> 00:13:36,867 -What date? -It was the following Sunday after that. 275 00:13:36,934 --> 00:13:39,934 So probably like the 12th, or the 11th. 276 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,533 Okay. So, he remained with his father that week. 277 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,066 You went to the courthouse, you got copies of orders you needed. 278 00:13:46,133 --> 00:13:47,667 Then, you went to his house. 279 00:13:47,734 --> 00:13:48,867 Yeah. 280 00:13:48,934 --> 00:13:52,165 [Judy] That was not the drop-off and pick-up location. 281 00:13:52,233 --> 00:13:56,066 No. But since his address is in the court order 282 00:13:56,133 --> 00:13:59,165 and pretty much since he was already in contempt of court, 283 00:13:59,233 --> 00:14:03,900 they told me that I could go to the address where I think that my son is, 284 00:14:03,967 --> 00:14:07,233 and have the police come out to try to enforce my order. 285 00:14:07,300 --> 00:14:10,734 That's what I did. I went, I waited for the police. 286 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,867 I called them once I made it there 287 00:14:12,934 --> 00:14:15,734 'cause they told me to contact them once I got to the address, 288 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,333 which I was doing everything that they told me to do. 289 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:22,867 Then, in the midst of me waiting on them, my sister was with me. 290 00:14:22,934 --> 00:14:28,533 And we had seen... No, he had left, and then he came back. 291 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,165 And then, my sister had seen my son. And she was like, there go my son. 292 00:14:33,233 --> 00:14:37,333 She said his name. When she said his name, he like, pushed him in the house. 293 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,300 And I had called them back, and I let them know 294 00:14:40,367 --> 00:14:43,867 I know that my son is here now. My son is actually here. 295 00:14:43,934 --> 00:14:47,667 So, you called the police and you let them know that your son was there now. 296 00:14:47,734 --> 00:14:50,367 -Yes. -[Judy] You had a history with the police 297 00:14:50,433 --> 00:14:54,165 because they documented when you were there on the 5th of November, 298 00:14:54,233 --> 00:14:55,900 on the 6th of November, 299 00:14:55,967 --> 00:14:59,333 and we're talking about almost a week later, on the 12th of November. 300 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:05,066 So, you go to his house on the 12th and verify that he's there 301 00:15:05,133 --> 00:15:09,967 with the child, and you call the police and let them know. 302 00:15:10,033 --> 00:15:11,900 About what time of the day is this? 303 00:15:11,967 --> 00:15:15,433 It was probably close to like eight or nine. 304 00:15:15,500 --> 00:15:16,800 [Judy] Morning or evening? 305 00:15:16,867 --> 00:15:18,033 Evening. 306 00:15:18,100 --> 00:15:20,166 So now, you drove there with your sister? 307 00:15:20,233 --> 00:15:21,667 -[Jaivana] Yes. -She drove? 308 00:15:21,734 --> 00:15:23,800 -[Jaivana] No, I drove. -[Judy] You drove. 309 00:15:23,867 --> 00:15:27,600 Okay. Now, you're there with your sister, eight o'clock at night. 310 00:15:27,667 --> 00:15:30,100 You see the child is actually there. 311 00:15:30,166 --> 00:15:33,165 You notify the police, which is what you were told to do. 312 00:15:33,233 --> 00:15:34,333 And then, what happened? 313 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,467 After that, um, he had... I guess like, he had-- 314 00:15:38,533 --> 00:15:41,066 [Judy] No, just a second. So, you saw him in the house. 315 00:15:41,133 --> 00:15:42,266 Police aren't there yet. 316 00:15:42,333 --> 00:15:43,467 No, they weren't there yet. 317 00:15:43,533 --> 00:15:45,200 -But they were coming because-- -[Jaivana] Yeah. 318 00:15:45,266 --> 00:15:46,867 -And? -So then, 319 00:15:46,934 --> 00:15:50,834 probably like a couple minutes later, my son was coming down the stairs. 320 00:15:50,900 --> 00:15:53,567 He was walking behind my son, he put my son in the car. 321 00:15:53,633 --> 00:15:55,900 So, when I seen that he was getting ready to leave, 322 00:15:55,967 --> 00:15:58,233 I had pulled right there. And I had asked him-- 323 00:15:58,300 --> 00:15:59,600 [Judy] Pulled right where? 324 00:15:59,667 --> 00:16:02,467 I was sitting on the corner, and I pulled around the-- 325 00:16:02,533 --> 00:16:04,233 In front of him. So, you blocked the car. 326 00:16:04,300 --> 00:16:07,867 Not really, but like... Technically, yeah. 327 00:16:07,934 --> 00:16:11,467 [Judy] Okay. So, you blocked his car so he couldn't leave, and? 328 00:16:11,533 --> 00:16:14,533 And I told him, Can you just give me my son? 329 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,700 I'm like, my son was supposed to be returned back to me a week ago. 330 00:16:17,767 --> 00:16:21,500 He drove around. The way his house is, it's like in a court, 331 00:16:21,567 --> 00:16:23,300 so, like, he went around the car. 332 00:16:23,367 --> 00:16:28,033 Um, he started driving reckless through the neighborhood that he stay in. 333 00:16:28,500 --> 00:16:30,400 At first, I was gonna chase him, 334 00:16:30,467 --> 00:16:34,165 but then I had my sister with me, my son was in the car with him. 335 00:16:34,233 --> 00:16:36,500 So, I had just turned around and went and parked 336 00:16:36,567 --> 00:16:38,734 back where I had told the police I was parked at. 337 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,400 -[Judy] Okay. -Um, he came back. 338 00:16:41,467 --> 00:16:45,767 And he came up the street and he busted a U-turn where I was parked. 339 00:16:45,834 --> 00:16:48,000 -And I was-- -[Judy] The police are there now? 340 00:16:48,066 --> 00:16:49,633 No, they still weren't there yet. 341 00:16:49,700 --> 00:16:52,433 They weren't there yet. Okay. Go ahead. 342 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:55,767 And then, so, I was talking to him, and I was telling him-- 343 00:16:55,834 --> 00:16:59,300 No. Are you both in your cars, or did you get out of the car? 344 00:16:59,367 --> 00:17:02,600 No, he got out the car, 'cause he claimed he didn't know who-- 345 00:17:02,667 --> 00:17:06,300 [Judy] He got out of the car. What did he do when he came out of the car? 346 00:17:06,367 --> 00:17:08,700 -I got out the car-- -[Judy] And you got out of the car? 347 00:17:08,767 --> 00:17:10,934 -Yes. -[Judy] Now you're both out of the car. 348 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,500 Yes. I was asking him if he could just give me my son. 349 00:17:14,567 --> 00:17:16,567 And he was telling me he wasn't giving me my son 350 00:17:16,633 --> 00:17:19,500 because there was court papers he needed to serve me with. 351 00:17:19,567 --> 00:17:23,165 So, in the midst of him talking to me, he like, slapped me. 352 00:17:23,233 --> 00:17:27,700 His hand like... he cut me like... not like cut me, but like scratched me, 353 00:17:27,767 --> 00:17:31,533 like under my... not really under my eye, but like right here. 354 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,800 And so, my little sister, she had called the police again. 355 00:17:34,867 --> 00:17:36,900 She let the police know what was going on. 356 00:17:36,967 --> 00:17:39,467 He went and parked in front of his house and went in the house. 357 00:17:39,533 --> 00:17:41,200 [Judy] At what point did he hit you? 358 00:17:41,266 --> 00:17:44,266 When we was talking and I was asking him, can he give me my son, 359 00:17:44,333 --> 00:17:46,533 he was yelling, telling me he wasn't giving him to me. 360 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,934 It was court papers he needed to serve me with. 361 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,400 I never touched him. I basically was just talking to him. 362 00:17:52,467 --> 00:17:55,200 And he kept saying, You can get visitation with him. 363 00:17:55,266 --> 00:17:57,900 And I told him, that's not the court order, like you don't have-- 364 00:17:57,967 --> 00:18:01,133 Pretty much, explaining to him there's no longer, he no longer-- 365 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,066 -[Judy] Sole custody. -Yeah. 366 00:18:03,133 --> 00:18:06,467 [Judy] But you understood that based upon the hearing, 367 00:18:06,533 --> 00:18:08,033 where everybody left... 368 00:18:08,100 --> 00:18:11,000 I literally went and got his mom and asked her, 369 00:18:11,066 --> 00:18:14,266 'cause she was sitting right there, and I told her, they called our case. 370 00:18:14,333 --> 00:18:17,734 I notified his mom to let his mom know that the judge was calling us. 371 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,700 That was up to her at that point to go. 372 00:18:19,767 --> 00:18:21,800 Did you go in to speak to the judge that day? 373 00:18:21,867 --> 00:18:23,133 Mm-hmm, yes. 374 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:24,934 When you went to speak to the judge, 375 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,000 did you tell the judge that he'd gone to the restroom? 376 00:18:28,066 --> 00:18:30,533 Yes, I let the judge know what his mom told me. 377 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:31,834 -You did? -[Jaivana] Yes. 378 00:18:31,900 --> 00:18:33,900 And the judge said case dismissed? 379 00:18:33,967 --> 00:18:37,300 Yes, because that was the second time they already had called our case. 380 00:18:37,367 --> 00:18:41,834 Then the mediator had called us also. She said he never responded to her either. 381 00:18:41,900 --> 00:18:44,633 -So, I went to the mediator-- -[Judy] That same day? 382 00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:46,633 -Yes. -You're talking about in the morning? 383 00:18:46,700 --> 00:18:49,000 Yes. Basically, they called our case, 384 00:18:49,066 --> 00:18:52,266 and then they sent us out to a mediator to talk to the mediator 385 00:18:52,333 --> 00:18:55,100 regarding what we was going to court for. 386 00:18:55,166 --> 00:18:58,834 Then, the mediator, she said that, when she called us again, 387 00:18:58,900 --> 00:19:01,734 she couldn't find him. That's what she told the judge. 388 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,533 [Judy] Did you speak to the mediator that morning? 389 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,767 We spoke that morning, and then the judge was calling us back. 390 00:19:06,834 --> 00:19:09,533 But I never spoke to the mediator after that. 391 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,233 But you spoke to the mediator that morning? 392 00:19:11,300 --> 00:19:12,400 Yes. 393 00:19:12,467 --> 00:19:14,133 Did anybody make a determination 394 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,734 as to how this little boy got these welt marks on his back? 395 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,500 There are an awful lot of people who take care of your boy. 396 00:19:24,567 --> 00:19:28,033 I'm just interested, who was beating your child? 397 00:19:28,100 --> 00:19:29,567 No one was beating my child. 398 00:19:29,633 --> 00:19:32,300 That's not accurate, madam. Someone beat your child. 399 00:19:32,367 --> 00:19:36,367 If my son was getting beat, I'm sure CPS would come and pick my kids up. 400 00:19:36,433 --> 00:19:40,000 Listen, I worked with Child Protective Services for over 25 years. 401 00:19:40,066 --> 00:19:42,633 Nothing that they do surprises me. 402 00:19:45,967 --> 00:19:48,100 [narrator] Are you having a family dispute? 403 00:19:48,166 --> 00:19:50,133 Go to JudyJustice.tv. 404 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,333 [theme music playing]