1 00:00:00,033 --> 00:00:02,200 You and your girlfriend had gotten into an argument. 2 00:00:02,266 --> 00:00:03,667 Yes. 3 00:00:03,734 --> 00:00:05,934 And before you know it she has this scooter, 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,934 and she's just busting out the windows. 5 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,266 I didn't do nothing to her, or nothing to her house. 6 00:00:11,333 --> 00:00:14,700 She called to tell you that your daughter broke windows at her house. 7 00:00:14,767 --> 00:00:16,734 You evidently believed her. 8 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,734 You know how ridiculous that sounds? 9 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,133 [narrator] This is Judy Justice. 10 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:23,633 [theme music playing] 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,433 [narrator] Toni McNeill is suing 18-year-old London Tillman 12 00:00:43,500 --> 00:00:46,800 and her father Sid Tillman for property damage 13 00:00:46,867 --> 00:00:50,233 after London vandalized her home. 14 00:00:50,300 --> 00:00:52,233 [Kevin] Court, come to order. All rise. 15 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:54,800 Have a seat, please. 16 00:00:56,300 --> 00:00:59,633 Judge, case 4139, McNeill versus Tillman. 17 00:00:59,700 --> 00:01:01,166 -Thank you. -You're welcome. 18 00:01:01,233 --> 00:01:02,633 Don't go anywhere yet, Kevin. 19 00:01:04,099 --> 00:01:05,800 -Is this your boyfriend? -[London] Yeah. 20 00:01:05,867 --> 00:01:08,367 -[Judy] Look at me. That would be a yes. -Yes. 21 00:01:08,433 --> 00:01:11,066 -Great. And this is your witness? -Yes. 22 00:01:11,133 --> 00:01:12,800 [Judy] This is one of your foster children? 23 00:01:12,867 --> 00:01:14,066 -Yes. -[Judy] Good. 24 00:01:14,133 --> 00:01:17,265 Kevin, I'd like you to put them both outside for the time being. 25 00:01:17,333 --> 00:01:20,333 I'll call them in if and when they're asked to testify. 26 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,100 But right now, put them in another room. 27 00:01:27,734 --> 00:01:31,934 Okay. Miss McNeill, this is what I read from your complaint. 28 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,866 It seems that you have been taking care of teen foster children 29 00:01:36,934 --> 00:01:38,133 for some time. 30 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,900 This young man who is the defendant's boyfriend... 31 00:01:41,967 --> 00:01:43,366 -Correct. -[Judy] ...whose name is? 32 00:01:43,433 --> 00:01:45,433 -Davion Auston. -[Judy] Davion. 33 00:01:45,500 --> 00:01:47,533 Davion was a foster child of yours. 34 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,333 -Yes. -[Judy] From when to when? 35 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:54,200 February 2021 until December 27th, 2024. 36 00:01:54,265 --> 00:01:56,467 And how old was he when he came to you? 37 00:01:56,533 --> 00:01:57,767 Seventeen years old. 38 00:01:57,834 --> 00:02:02,000 [Judy] And in 2024, how many foster children did you have? 39 00:02:02,066 --> 00:02:04,433 -Five. All boys. -[Judy] All boys? 40 00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:06,433 -[Judy] All teenagers? -All teenagers. 41 00:02:06,500 --> 00:02:09,633 [Judy] And Davion became your boyfriend when? 42 00:02:09,699 --> 00:02:12,600 December 9, 2023. 43 00:02:12,667 --> 00:02:13,767 How did you meet him? 44 00:02:13,834 --> 00:02:17,300 We met in school two years before we even started dating. 45 00:02:17,367 --> 00:02:19,367 [Judy] This is what the case is about. 46 00:02:19,433 --> 00:02:22,166 There was an incident that occurred in December, is that right? 47 00:02:22,233 --> 00:02:24,667 -Correct. -[Judy] 2024, you're gonna tell me when. 48 00:02:24,734 --> 00:02:28,734 December 5th, 2024, around 6:32 PM. 49 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,800 [Judy] Okay. You were home. Davion came home. 50 00:02:31,867 --> 00:02:33,867 -Yes. -[Judy] Now, prior to that, 51 00:02:33,934 --> 00:02:36,466 -he had been with you that same day. -Yes. 52 00:02:36,533 --> 00:02:41,600 Anyway, they had sort of a kerfuffle, which Miss Tillman is gonna tell me about. 53 00:02:41,667 --> 00:02:44,233 This is your father. He knows nothing about this 54 00:02:44,300 --> 00:02:46,533 except he's got the money, you don't. Right? 55 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,600 -Right. -[Judy] They had sort of a kerfuffle. 56 00:02:49,667 --> 00:02:52,700 Davion and some of your other foster children 57 00:02:52,767 --> 00:02:55,300 -were at home in your house. -Correct. 58 00:02:55,367 --> 00:02:58,166 And that was about 6:30 in the afternoon? 59 00:02:58,233 --> 00:02:59,233 Yes, ma'am. 60 00:02:59,300 --> 00:03:03,467 And according to you, the defendant, this young lady, not her father of course, 61 00:03:03,533 --> 00:03:08,100 this young lady vandalized your home in sort of a fit of anger. 62 00:03:08,166 --> 00:03:10,900 She came to see her boyfriend, he wouldn't come out. Whatever. 63 00:03:10,967 --> 00:03:14,033 He vandalized your home and damaged it. That's what the case is about. 64 00:03:14,100 --> 00:03:15,233 Yes, ma'am. 65 00:03:15,300 --> 00:03:18,834 And the defendant says, while I did come to the house, I didn't vandalize anything. 66 00:03:18,900 --> 00:03:21,266 -Mm-hmm. -[Judy] That's your statement. Correct? 67 00:03:21,333 --> 00:03:23,734 And Mr. Tillman, your daughter lives with you? 68 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,333 -Yes. -You have other children? 69 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:26,667 -[Sid] Yes. -How many? 70 00:03:26,734 --> 00:03:29,166 I have three other children and one grandson. 71 00:03:29,233 --> 00:03:32,266 And you would agree that if your daughter 72 00:03:32,333 --> 00:03:34,433 purposely vandalized property, 73 00:03:34,500 --> 00:03:38,066 you as her parent would be responsible for that damage? 74 00:03:38,133 --> 00:03:39,266 Right. 75 00:03:39,333 --> 00:03:42,000 [Judy] Okay. So, Miss Tillman, I'm gonna start with you 76 00:03:42,066 --> 00:03:43,667 before I bring in the witnesses. 77 00:03:43,734 --> 00:03:47,834 -Earlier in the day, you saw Davion. -[London] Mm-hmm. 78 00:03:47,900 --> 00:03:49,200 [Judy] Where did you see him? 79 00:03:49,266 --> 00:03:51,834 He was at my house before we got into the argument. 80 00:03:51,900 --> 00:03:53,934 [Judy] Where did you get into the argument? 81 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,266 At my house. 82 00:03:55,333 --> 00:03:57,233 And what was the argument about? 83 00:03:57,300 --> 00:03:59,333 I just seen some messages on his phone-- 84 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,633 -Look. -[London] I seen some messages 85 00:04:01,700 --> 00:04:03,700 on his phone that I didn't like. 86 00:04:03,767 --> 00:04:06,300 -[Judy] You mean, from another girl? -Yeah. 87 00:04:06,367 --> 00:04:08,467 -First of all, yes. -[London] Yes. 88 00:04:08,533 --> 00:04:12,333 -You saw some things on the phone... -[London] Mm-hmm. 89 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,100 ...from another girl, you didn't like. And you confronted him? 90 00:04:15,166 --> 00:04:16,000 Yes. 91 00:04:16,065 --> 00:04:18,233 [Judy] And that was the argument at the house. 92 00:04:18,300 --> 00:04:20,834 So, tell me how that escalated. What happened? 93 00:04:20,899 --> 00:04:23,500 He was lying about it, saying he didn't do anything, 94 00:04:23,567 --> 00:04:28,100 and it was just making me mad. So, he just left and went to her house. 95 00:04:28,166 --> 00:04:29,300 And what did you do? 96 00:04:29,367 --> 00:04:32,600 For a few hours, I just like... 97 00:04:32,667 --> 00:04:35,233 gave him space until I came over. 98 00:04:35,300 --> 00:04:37,266 -[Judy] How did you get over there? -I walked. 99 00:04:37,332 --> 00:04:40,700 -She lives seven minutes away from me. -[Judy] So, you walked over. 100 00:04:40,767 --> 00:04:42,467 And what happened when you walked over? 101 00:04:42,533 --> 00:04:45,967 I walked over there, she told me he wasn't there, 102 00:04:46,033 --> 00:04:48,633 and he was at my house. So, I went back to my house. 103 00:04:48,700 --> 00:04:51,033 And he wasn't at my house, so I went back. 104 00:04:51,100 --> 00:04:53,300 -[Judy] And how did you get back? -I walked. 105 00:04:53,367 --> 00:04:54,633 Okay. And then? 106 00:04:54,700 --> 00:04:58,000 And then, she was just lying saying that he wasn't there. 107 00:04:58,066 --> 00:04:58,900 [Judy] Just a second. 108 00:04:58,967 --> 00:05:00,867 -You went up to the door. -Yeah. 109 00:05:00,934 --> 00:05:04,567 -You knocked at the door? -Yeah, I knocked at the door and... 110 00:05:04,633 --> 00:05:06,867 -[Judy] She came to the door. -Yeah. 111 00:05:06,934 --> 00:05:08,367 Not "yeah," "yes." 112 00:05:08,433 --> 00:05:09,600 Yes. 113 00:05:09,667 --> 00:05:12,934 And she came to the door. You said, "Is Davion there?" 114 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,367 And she said, "No." Did she say he doesn't want to see you? 115 00:05:16,433 --> 00:05:18,100 No, she just said he wasn't there. 116 00:05:18,166 --> 00:05:20,967 [Judy] Just wasn't there. What happened when you went back? 117 00:05:21,033 --> 00:05:23,166 Um, I was like, "I know he's here." 118 00:05:23,233 --> 00:05:26,667 And she wasn't trying to let him out to talk to me and see me. 119 00:05:26,734 --> 00:05:28,867 And we started getting into an argument because-- 120 00:05:28,934 --> 00:05:30,700 [Judy] Who did? You and the plaintiff? 121 00:05:30,767 --> 00:05:32,667 -Mm-mm. -Yeah. We started getting into an argument 122 00:05:32,734 --> 00:05:34,933 because she wouldn't let me see my boyfriend. 123 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,500 She was just keeping him hostage, away from me for no reason. 124 00:05:38,567 --> 00:05:41,266 [Judy] And? What happened next? 125 00:05:41,332 --> 00:05:43,734 And after the argument was over, 126 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,166 she told me that she was gonna call the police, so I left. 127 00:05:47,233 --> 00:05:50,266 Well, were you doing anything? Were you yelling at her 128 00:05:50,332 --> 00:05:51,467 or threatening her? 129 00:05:51,533 --> 00:05:54,400 I was getting loud, yes, and yelling at her. 130 00:05:54,467 --> 00:05:57,300 -[Judy] How loud? -A little bit louder than I am now. 131 00:05:57,367 --> 00:06:00,900 I was getting loud and yelling at her, showing attitude, yeah, but... 132 00:06:00,967 --> 00:06:03,567 I didn't do nothing to her, or nothing to her house. 133 00:06:03,633 --> 00:06:06,467 And that's what your daughter told you when she came home? 134 00:06:06,533 --> 00:06:07,633 Yes. 135 00:06:07,700 --> 00:06:10,133 [Judy] Okay. Let me ask you this question, Mr. Tillman. 136 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,467 Your daughter and Davion have been a couple for a while, 137 00:06:13,533 --> 00:06:16,166 -so I assume you know that, correct? -Yeah. 138 00:06:16,233 --> 00:06:18,066 -[Judy] And you know that. Correct. -Correct. 139 00:06:18,133 --> 00:06:22,800 When your daughter came home the second time, were you home? 140 00:06:22,867 --> 00:06:24,867 -No. -[Judy] When, for the first time, 141 00:06:24,934 --> 00:06:26,834 did you have a discussion with your daughter 142 00:06:26,900 --> 00:06:28,800 about what had happened on December 5th? 143 00:06:28,867 --> 00:06:32,033 It was later on that night, probably around 8:00 or 9:00. 144 00:06:32,100 --> 00:06:34,000 [Judy] Did you speak to Miss McNeill? 145 00:06:34,066 --> 00:06:36,066 -[Sid] Briefly spoke on the phone. -Lies. 146 00:06:36,133 --> 00:06:39,500 -Just, shh. I don't want to hear that. -Okay. 147 00:06:39,567 --> 00:06:42,633 [Judy] You briefly spoke on the phone on December 5th. 148 00:06:42,700 --> 00:06:44,633 -Yes. -You don't know where I'm going, 149 00:06:44,700 --> 00:06:47,767 Mr. Tillman, so don't even think about where I'm going. 150 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,667 Did you ask her how the windows got broken? 151 00:06:52,734 --> 00:06:54,400 She didn't mention anything about the windows... 152 00:06:54,467 --> 00:06:56,133 She didn't mention. Did you mention it to her? 153 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:57,066 No. 154 00:06:57,133 --> 00:06:59,933 [laughs] 155 00:07:00,066 --> 00:07:02,533 Do you know how ridiculous that sounds, Mr. Tillman? 156 00:07:11,166 --> 00:07:15,433 [narrator] Toni McNeill claims 18-year-old London Tillman 157 00:07:15,500 --> 00:07:18,667 and her father Sid Tillman owe for damages 158 00:07:18,734 --> 00:07:21,367 after London vandalized her home. 159 00:07:21,433 --> 00:07:24,467 Now, did she call you or did you call her? 160 00:07:24,533 --> 00:07:25,667 I received a phone call. 161 00:07:25,734 --> 00:07:27,533 -[Judy] She called you? -Yes. 162 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,900 [Judy] Now, they had been together for a couple of years. 163 00:07:29,967 --> 00:07:32,700 How many times in that period of time 164 00:07:32,767 --> 00:07:34,867 has Miss McNeill called you? 165 00:07:34,933 --> 00:07:37,100 -More than five or less than five? -Less. 166 00:07:37,166 --> 00:07:39,367 [Judy] More than three or less than three? 167 00:07:39,433 --> 00:07:40,533 [Sid] About three. 168 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,033 -[Judy] Maybe three times. -Yes. 169 00:07:42,100 --> 00:07:44,734 [Judy] So, there had to have been a reason 170 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,500 that Miss McNeill called you on December 5th. 171 00:07:48,567 --> 00:07:50,767 Because they'd been together for a couple of years, 172 00:07:50,834 --> 00:07:53,767 and statistically, it makes sense 173 00:07:53,834 --> 00:07:57,233 that there had to be a particular purpose for her calling you. 174 00:07:57,300 --> 00:07:59,800 So, we're gonna start there, Mr. Tillman. 175 00:07:59,867 --> 00:08:02,166 -Okay. -[Judy] You answer the phone. 176 00:08:02,233 --> 00:08:05,133 She said, this is... What's your first name? 177 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,233 -Toni. -[Judy] Toni McNeill. 178 00:08:07,300 --> 00:08:09,433 What did she say to you, Mr. Tillman? 179 00:08:09,500 --> 00:08:14,600 She was telling me that Davion and my daughter were in the streets fighting. 180 00:08:14,667 --> 00:08:16,700 They were getting very physical with each other. 181 00:08:16,767 --> 00:08:20,367 No, no. Now your voice is going down, so I can't hear. 182 00:08:20,433 --> 00:08:22,300 Let's start again. She said 183 00:08:22,367 --> 00:08:25,734 that Davion and your daughter were in the street fighting. 184 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,233 -[Sid] Yes. -[Judy] And? 185 00:08:27,300 --> 00:08:31,633 They were just physically getting... um, they were punching each other. 186 00:08:31,700 --> 00:08:33,433 Kicking, things like that. 187 00:08:33,500 --> 00:08:34,533 [Judy] And? 188 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,600 And my daughter was cussing her out, being very disruptive-- 189 00:08:38,667 --> 00:08:41,433 -[Judy] Loud! -That my daughter was very disruptive. 190 00:08:41,500 --> 00:08:44,000 Did she say that your daughter touched her house? 191 00:08:44,066 --> 00:08:47,165 At that point, uh, no. Not that I remember. 192 00:08:47,233 --> 00:08:48,800 [Judy] Did she call back? 193 00:08:48,867 --> 00:08:50,367 She called a couple of times. 194 00:08:50,433 --> 00:08:52,200 Let's cut to the chase, sir. 195 00:08:52,266 --> 00:08:55,834 On December 5th, 2024, 196 00:08:55,900 --> 00:08:59,633 did Miss McNeill tell you that your daughter had damaged her house? 197 00:08:59,700 --> 00:09:01,266 Yes, she did say that... 198 00:09:01,333 --> 00:09:04,867 Okay. Was that in this phone call or was that a later phone call? 199 00:09:04,934 --> 00:09:06,867 That was later. 200 00:09:06,934 --> 00:09:11,633 [Judy] How much after this fighting report that she made to you 201 00:09:11,700 --> 00:09:13,300 did she call you again? 202 00:09:13,367 --> 00:09:14,734 Within a day or so. 203 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,533 [Judy] And what did she say to you? 204 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,266 She was telling me about the windows and, um... 205 00:09:19,333 --> 00:09:22,500 She wasn't telling you about the windows that they were dirty in her house. 206 00:09:22,567 --> 00:09:24,867 She was saying that your daughter broke windows. 207 00:09:24,934 --> 00:09:26,500 -Yes. -[Judy] Well then, say it. 208 00:09:26,567 --> 00:09:30,200 She did tell me that the windows were broke. 209 00:09:30,266 --> 00:09:33,567 Not windows were broke. Why would you care if windows were broke? 210 00:09:33,633 --> 00:09:36,767 She wouldn't call to say, "Gee, my windows are broke." 211 00:09:36,834 --> 00:09:39,367 Not if she hasn't called you in two years. 212 00:09:39,433 --> 00:09:42,667 She would call and tell you your daughter broke windows in my house. 213 00:09:42,734 --> 00:09:45,033 -Right. -Well, why don't you just say that? 214 00:09:45,100 --> 00:09:48,500 It just saves time. Tape costs money. 215 00:09:48,567 --> 00:09:50,266 Airtime costs money. 216 00:09:50,333 --> 00:09:53,500 She called to tell you that your daughter broke windows at her house. 217 00:09:53,567 --> 00:09:54,433 That is correct. 218 00:09:54,500 --> 00:09:57,066 [Judy] Well, why don't you just say that? That's what I asked you. 219 00:09:57,133 --> 00:09:59,100 What did she tell you about her house 220 00:09:59,165 --> 00:10:01,500 and what your daughter had done to her house? 221 00:10:01,567 --> 00:10:04,767 She called me to tell me that my daughter had broke her windows. 222 00:10:04,834 --> 00:10:06,367 [Judy] What else did she tell you? 223 00:10:06,433 --> 00:10:08,800 [Sid] Telling me about the cost and what we can do... 224 00:10:08,867 --> 00:10:11,166 [Judy] She was telling you how much it would cost to fix them. 225 00:10:11,233 --> 00:10:13,033 -Yes. -And what did you say to her? 226 00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:16,300 I told her, get some quotes and call me back 227 00:10:16,367 --> 00:10:17,800 and we can see what we can work out. 228 00:10:17,867 --> 00:10:20,834 [Judy] Okay. So, at that point, you totally believed her 229 00:10:20,900 --> 00:10:23,700 if you said to her, tell me what the costs are 230 00:10:23,767 --> 00:10:25,967 and we'll see what we can work out. 231 00:10:26,033 --> 00:10:27,967 You evidently believed her. 232 00:10:28,033 --> 00:10:30,967 I was more 50/50 'cause I know my daughter has a temper. 233 00:10:31,033 --> 00:10:31,900 -[Judy] So, 50/50. -Yeah. 234 00:10:31,967 --> 00:10:35,600 Now, even better. Did you ask your daughter what happened? 235 00:10:35,667 --> 00:10:37,400 My daughter told me what happened. 236 00:10:37,467 --> 00:10:39,834 [Judy] And did you ask her how the windows got broken? 237 00:10:39,900 --> 00:10:41,600 She didn't mention anything about the windows... 238 00:10:41,667 --> 00:10:43,533 [Judy] She didn't mention. Did you mention it to her? 239 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,934 -No. -[laughs] 240 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,300 Do you know how ridiculous that sounds, Mr. Tillman? 241 00:10:49,367 --> 00:10:52,200 You get a call from somebody who says, 242 00:10:52,266 --> 00:10:54,934 "Your daughter busted out the windows in my house." 243 00:10:55,000 --> 00:11:01,033 You say to her, "Get prices and we'll see what we can work out as far as payment." 244 00:11:01,100 --> 00:11:03,767 And then, when you have a conversation with your daughter, 245 00:11:03,834 --> 00:11:07,033 you don't ask her about the windows? You know how ridiculous that sounds? 246 00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:10,667 You don't say to her, "Why did you break the windows 247 00:11:10,734 --> 00:11:12,467 in Miss McNeill's house?" 248 00:11:12,533 --> 00:11:16,233 You just said to me, "It didn't come up. I didn't ask her." 249 00:11:16,300 --> 00:11:17,934 That's ridiculous, Mr. Tillman. 250 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,667 Me and her talked, it was before I talked to Miss McNeill. 251 00:11:22,734 --> 00:11:25,600 So, that didn't come up, her breaking the windows. 252 00:11:25,667 --> 00:11:28,300 Well, why would it be before? The first conversation you had with her 253 00:11:28,367 --> 00:11:31,967 was only about your daughter and Davion fighting in the street. 254 00:11:32,033 --> 00:11:34,000 -Right. -Windows wouldn't have come up. 255 00:11:34,066 --> 00:11:36,667 It would only have come up after the second conversation 256 00:11:36,734 --> 00:11:39,500 that you said happened that day or the next day. 257 00:11:39,567 --> 00:11:42,934 I'm telling you, Mr. Tillman, try not to think of where I'm going. 258 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,133 You never know where this warped mind of mine is going. 259 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:52,400 At the end of the day, it usually tries to get to somewhere close to the truth. 260 00:11:52,467 --> 00:11:54,433 Do you understand what I'm saying, Mr. Tillman? 261 00:11:54,500 --> 00:11:55,367 Yes. 262 00:11:55,433 --> 00:11:57,834 [Judy] All right. So, let's try to be straight. 263 00:11:57,900 --> 00:12:02,834 You want to tell me what happened on December 5th at about 6:30 at night? 264 00:12:02,900 --> 00:12:05,367 Yes, ma'am. London came to my house. 265 00:12:05,433 --> 00:12:08,834 Me and the children were all sitting down eating dinner. 266 00:12:08,900 --> 00:12:12,033 [Judy] You had called him before 'cause they were fighting in the street? 267 00:12:12,100 --> 00:12:16,600 I called-- He's going back to a case in April of 2024 268 00:12:16,667 --> 00:12:19,934 when Davion was arrested for domestic violence. 269 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,800 I pulled up to my house-- 270 00:12:21,867 --> 00:12:23,400 Oh, no, no, I'm not interested in that. 271 00:12:23,467 --> 00:12:25,800 I'm not interested in that. Now they're back together. 272 00:12:25,867 --> 00:12:27,867 Yeah, that's the first time we spoke. 273 00:12:27,934 --> 00:12:29,867 -[Judy] Maybe he got confused. -Yes. 274 00:12:29,934 --> 00:12:32,934 [Judy] So, that was when they were fighting with each other, 275 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,033 this volatile teenage relationship in another month. 276 00:12:36,100 --> 00:12:37,633 -[Toni] Yes. -In a different month. 277 00:12:37,700 --> 00:12:39,867 Okay. I'm just interested about December 5th. 278 00:12:39,934 --> 00:12:42,500 December 5th. So, we were eating. 279 00:12:42,567 --> 00:12:47,100 And all of a sudden, it's like a big truck ran into my house. 280 00:12:47,165 --> 00:12:49,567 I walked down the steps to my formal room 281 00:12:49,633 --> 00:12:52,467 where you see those two windows, and I peeked out the windows. 282 00:12:52,533 --> 00:12:56,033 All I could see was London banging my door, like this, 283 00:12:56,100 --> 00:12:57,734 and kicking it. 284 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,700 Show me where the door and where the window. 285 00:12:59,767 --> 00:13:01,734 [Toni] You can't see the door. 286 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,200 But if you go up these steps... 287 00:13:04,266 --> 00:13:05,266 [Judy] Yeah, I see... 288 00:13:05,333 --> 00:13:07,166 ...this way, there's a double door. 289 00:13:07,233 --> 00:13:10,800 So, we were sitting at the table when I heard the dump truck 290 00:13:10,867 --> 00:13:15,133 and the kicking and the banging, I went and peeked out this window. 291 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,367 And I said, "That's London." 292 00:13:17,433 --> 00:13:21,200 She's banging and kicking the door. I told all the kids. Everyone ran to the windows. 293 00:13:21,266 --> 00:13:23,400 And she was still kicking and just banging the door. 294 00:13:23,467 --> 00:13:24,533 With what? Kicking... 295 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,300 She was kicking with her foot and banging it like this. 296 00:13:27,367 --> 00:13:29,000 -[Judy] With her hand. -With her hand. 297 00:13:29,066 --> 00:13:32,433 That's why it was so hard. So, what I did was, 298 00:13:32,500 --> 00:13:34,734 I told one of the children, call the police. 299 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,000 She was still banging and kicking. 300 00:13:37,066 --> 00:13:38,934 I opened the door before she kicked it in. 301 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,367 And I said, "London, what are you doing here? 302 00:13:41,433 --> 00:13:44,000 You need to leave. You know you're not allowed on my property." 303 00:13:44,066 --> 00:13:45,734 Lies! She's a liar. 304 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,266 [Judy] I don't want to hear you. 305 00:13:47,333 --> 00:13:50,467 I said, "Please leave." She said, "Tell Davion to come outside. 306 00:13:50,533 --> 00:13:53,967 Tell Davion to come outside." I said, "I'm not telling Davion to do anything. 307 00:13:54,033 --> 00:13:56,500 You need to leave." She then proceeded to say, 308 00:13:56,567 --> 00:14:00,633 just cussing me out, you know. I said, "London, why are you doing this? 309 00:14:00,700 --> 00:14:02,433 I don't have anything to do with your relationship." 310 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:05,100 "Tell Davion to stop cheating on me," is what she said. 311 00:14:05,166 --> 00:14:07,667 Step back, unless you have something else to show me 312 00:14:07,734 --> 00:14:09,033 on the diagram. 313 00:14:13,033 --> 00:14:17,200 What was the name of the girl that you were communicating with on your phone? 314 00:14:17,266 --> 00:14:19,734 Don't look down, look at me. Name. 315 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,467 I can't really remember. 316 00:14:21,533 --> 00:14:22,867 -[Judy] You can't remember? -No. 317 00:14:22,934 --> 00:14:24,734 Can't remember because there were more than one, 318 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,800 or you can't remember because you don't want to remember? 319 00:14:36,533 --> 00:14:40,834 [narrator] Toni McNeill has accused 18-year-old London Tillman 320 00:14:40,900 --> 00:14:42,900 of vandalizing Toni's house 321 00:14:42,967 --> 00:14:46,800 after London fought with her boyfriend Davion. 322 00:14:46,867 --> 00:14:48,000 Okay, go ahead. 323 00:14:48,066 --> 00:14:50,533 She says, "Tell Davion to stop cheating on me." 324 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,165 I said, "London, I don't have anything to do with that. 325 00:14:53,233 --> 00:14:56,667 Please leave." She's still screaming and yelling. 326 00:14:56,734 --> 00:15:01,100 And she says, "I threatened before that if he doesn't come out here 327 00:15:01,166 --> 00:15:03,300 and we get into it, I'm gonna bust out your windows." 328 00:15:03,367 --> 00:15:05,800 Which she did that on a previous occasion. 329 00:15:05,867 --> 00:15:08,000 So, she came to my house on a scooter. 330 00:15:08,066 --> 00:15:10,867 Okay. So now, she's on a scooter. Go ahead. 331 00:15:10,934 --> 00:15:14,767 So, she says, "I said I was gonna bust out your windows before." 332 00:15:14,834 --> 00:15:17,900 And before you know it, she has this scooter 333 00:15:17,967 --> 00:15:20,033 and she's just busting out the windows. 334 00:15:20,100 --> 00:15:21,500 What kind of scooter is it? 335 00:15:21,567 --> 00:15:24,333 It's like a push scooter that like a 12-year-old would ride. 336 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:25,734 You mean, a long... 337 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,166 [Toni] Yeah, and you can fold it up. 338 00:15:28,233 --> 00:15:29,266 I'll find you a picture. 339 00:15:29,333 --> 00:15:31,266 [Toni] So, she has this scooter, 340 00:15:31,333 --> 00:15:33,600 and she's just busting out the windows. 341 00:15:33,667 --> 00:15:36,500 And on those steps, me, Chris... 342 00:15:36,567 --> 00:15:38,567 [Judy] How many windows did she bust out? 343 00:15:38,633 --> 00:15:39,834 She busted out all four. 344 00:15:39,900 --> 00:15:42,333 I think it looks something like this. 345 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:43,967 [Judy] Is that what the scooter looks like? 346 00:15:44,033 --> 00:15:45,266 [Toni] Yes, ma'am. 347 00:15:45,333 --> 00:15:48,633 It's like 200 pounds. I'm gonna pick that up and break your windows? 348 00:15:48,700 --> 00:15:49,967 I'm not talking to you. 349 00:15:50,033 --> 00:15:51,834 Listen to me. Hey. 350 00:15:51,900 --> 00:15:53,433 [taps on bench] 351 00:15:53,500 --> 00:15:55,900 -Try to control yourself. -Okay. 352 00:15:55,967 --> 00:15:58,066 [Judy] Okay. Now, do you own your home? 353 00:15:58,133 --> 00:15:59,467 I'm a renter. 354 00:15:59,533 --> 00:16:01,633 -Were the windows replaced? -[Toni] Yes, they were. 355 00:16:01,700 --> 00:16:04,900 Did the landlord have any communication with you with regard to the windows? 356 00:16:04,967 --> 00:16:06,767 He just asked me to fix them. 357 00:16:06,834 --> 00:16:08,333 -And you did. -[Toni] Yes, ma'am. 358 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,000 -You have the invoice? -Yes, I do. 359 00:16:10,066 --> 00:16:12,000 [Judy] I'd like to have the invoice. 360 00:16:12,066 --> 00:16:13,967 And I'll look at the pictures at the same time. 361 00:16:14,033 --> 00:16:16,300 I also have evidence here 362 00:16:16,367 --> 00:16:20,200 of the property she destroyed along the way in my yard. 363 00:16:20,266 --> 00:16:22,166 Okay. I'll take a look. 364 00:16:29,233 --> 00:16:30,934 Did you have the windows fixed? 365 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,033 [Toni] Yes, I did. 366 00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:35,567 Okay. Kevin, I'd just like you to show these photographs 367 00:16:35,633 --> 00:16:38,934 to both Miss Tillman and her father. 368 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,300 [Kevin] Okay. There's some more here. 369 00:16:43,700 --> 00:16:45,165 I don't know what this is. 370 00:16:45,233 --> 00:16:48,467 The property that she destroyed in my yard and my lights. 371 00:16:48,533 --> 00:16:51,900 I didn't see any photographs of these being destroyed. 372 00:16:51,967 --> 00:16:55,066 The kids immediately started to pick up stuff because of the glass, 373 00:16:55,133 --> 00:16:56,900 -because of the dog. -[Judy] Understand something. 374 00:16:56,967 --> 00:16:59,033 I don't see a picture of it, it didn't happen. 375 00:16:59,100 --> 00:17:00,667 -Okay. -[snickers] 376 00:17:00,734 --> 00:17:02,200 Hm. 377 00:17:02,266 --> 00:17:04,467 You certainly have a picture of the window. 378 00:17:04,532 --> 00:17:05,532 [Toni] Yes, ma'am. 379 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:07,066 Anything else that was destroyed 380 00:17:07,133 --> 00:17:10,433 is as easy to take a picture of as possible. Do you understand? 381 00:17:10,500 --> 00:17:11,834 -You understand. -Yes, ma'am. 382 00:17:11,900 --> 00:17:14,633 Okay. So, the windows cost you $2,000. 383 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:16,532 And they would've had to have been fixed 384 00:17:16,599 --> 00:17:20,233 because the landlord wouldn't tolerate not being fixed. 385 00:17:20,300 --> 00:17:22,567 Two thousand? I thought they were $6,000. 386 00:17:22,633 --> 00:17:25,032 -I never said that. No, girl. -[London] You keep changing the price. 387 00:17:25,099 --> 00:17:27,000 ...three thousand, six thousand... 388 00:17:27,066 --> 00:17:29,633 He can't control her, she's stupid. But you're smarter. 389 00:17:29,700 --> 00:17:32,266 You're supposed to be smarter, you're taking care of children. 390 00:17:32,333 --> 00:17:37,066 Okay. Now, what I'd like you to do is to bring in Davion. 391 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,333 Okay. Davion. 392 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,800 It's crowded over there. Why don't you stand over there. 393 00:17:55,834 --> 00:18:00,066 Better. Davion, how long did you live at Miss McNeill's house? 394 00:18:00,133 --> 00:18:03,467 Uh, three years... on and off. 395 00:18:03,533 --> 00:18:05,633 -Did you go to school from there? -Yeah. 396 00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:07,500 [Judy] Did you have meals at Miss McNeill's house? 397 00:18:07,567 --> 00:18:08,400 [Davion] Yes. 398 00:18:08,467 --> 00:18:09,734 [Judy] And where are you living now? 399 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,333 Um, currently with my girlfriend. 400 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,066 -[Judy] With the Tillmans? -Mm-hmm. 401 00:18:13,133 --> 00:18:14,767 [Judy] Are you going to school? 402 00:18:14,834 --> 00:18:16,400 No, I'm currently looking for work. 403 00:18:16,467 --> 00:18:17,800 -[Judy] How old are you? -[Davion] Twenty. 404 00:18:17,867 --> 00:18:19,934 -[Judy] Did you graduate from high school? -Yes, ma'am. 405 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,700 [Judy] Graduated from high school when you were living with Miss Tillman? 406 00:18:22,767 --> 00:18:24,633 [Davion] No, I graduated when I was with my dad. 407 00:18:24,700 --> 00:18:27,200 [Judy] You graduated when you were with your father. How old were you? 408 00:18:27,266 --> 00:18:28,233 Eighteen. 409 00:18:28,300 --> 00:18:30,533 [Judy] So, you moved in with Miss Tillman when you were 18? 410 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,667 When I was 16, but they sent me back with my dad, and that's when I graduated. 411 00:18:34,734 --> 00:18:37,166 -So, you lived with Miss Tillman... -[Davion] Mm-hmm. 412 00:18:37,233 --> 00:18:39,367 -...when you were going to school. -Yes, ma'am. 413 00:18:39,433 --> 00:18:41,467 [Judy] You went to school and you graduated. 414 00:18:41,533 --> 00:18:42,533 Yes, ma'am. 415 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,200 And after you graduated, you went back to your dad. 416 00:18:45,266 --> 00:18:46,934 -Mm-hmm. -"Uh-huh" is not an answer. 417 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,934 -"Yes" would be an answer. -Yes, ma'am. 418 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,266 -[Judy] Did that work out with your dad? -No. 419 00:18:51,333 --> 00:18:53,467 -[Judy] So you went back to Miss McNeill. -Yes. 420 00:18:53,533 --> 00:18:56,734 Now, you and Miss Tillman were a couple for a while. 421 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,533 -A couple years. -Yes. 422 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,667 You remember December of 2024? 423 00:19:00,734 --> 00:19:01,834 -Yes. -[Judy] Of course you do. 424 00:19:01,900 --> 00:19:05,133 What was the name of the girl that she had trouble with 425 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,033 that you were communicating with on your phone? 426 00:19:08,100 --> 00:19:11,100 Don't look down. Look at me. Name. 427 00:19:11,166 --> 00:19:12,967 I can't really remember. 428 00:19:13,033 --> 00:19:14,533 -[Judy] You can't remember? -No. 429 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,834 You can't remember because there were more than one, 430 00:19:16,900 --> 00:19:19,033 or you can't remember because you don't want to remember? 431 00:19:19,100 --> 00:19:20,967 It was a stupid choice and I really don't-- 432 00:19:21,033 --> 00:19:23,433 [Judy] It was a stupid choice so you don't want to divulge it to me. 433 00:19:23,500 --> 00:19:24,834 -Yes. -[Judy] That would be an answer. 434 00:19:24,900 --> 00:19:25,900 Yes, ma'am. 435 00:19:25,967 --> 00:19:29,300 [Judy] Now, when Miss Tillman saw that you were communicating 436 00:19:29,367 --> 00:19:31,900 with this girl, she got angry. 437 00:19:31,967 --> 00:19:33,533 -Mm-hmm. -[Judy] "Uh-huh" is not an answer. 438 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:34,967 -It would be yes. -Yes, ma'am. 439 00:19:35,033 --> 00:19:37,033 [Judy] And at that time, you were at her house. 440 00:19:37,100 --> 00:19:38,600 -[Davion] Yes, ma'am. -[Judy] And you left. 441 00:19:38,667 --> 00:19:40,834 -[Davion] Yes. -[Judy] 'Cause it got contentious. 442 00:19:40,900 --> 00:19:42,033 -Got angry. -Yes. 443 00:19:42,100 --> 00:19:44,900 -[Judy] You went back to Miss McNeill's. -Yes. Yes. 444 00:19:44,967 --> 00:19:47,367 Did you tell Miss McNeill what had happened? 445 00:19:47,433 --> 00:19:49,934 -Yeah, a brief summary, yes. -[Judy] What did you tell her? 446 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,066 Uh, me and my girlfriend had got into an argument, 447 00:19:53,133 --> 00:19:55,333 and I would like for it to die down 448 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,467 and to just stay away from my girlfriend for right now. 449 00:19:57,533 --> 00:19:59,667 [Judy] So, you didn't want to see the girlfriend 450 00:19:59,734 --> 00:20:01,233 -right then. -Yes, ma'am. 451 00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:03,533 -But the girlfriend came to the house. -Yes. 452 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,467 [Judy] And what happened when she came to the house? 453 00:20:05,533 --> 00:20:10,033 Um, I didn't physically see anything. I was in a room, I just heard. 454 00:20:10,100 --> 00:20:11,400 [Judy] What did you hear? 455 00:20:11,467 --> 00:20:15,400 Arguing and a lot of commotion. That's all. 456 00:20:15,467 --> 00:20:17,166 Arguing. Arguing between whom? 457 00:20:17,233 --> 00:20:19,367 You've heard arguing with your girlfriend before. 458 00:20:19,433 --> 00:20:21,867 It was arguing between your girlfriend and... 459 00:20:21,934 --> 00:20:23,667 -And McNeill. -[Judy] Miss McNeill. 460 00:20:23,734 --> 00:20:25,600 And you had told Miss McNeill you wanted 461 00:20:25,667 --> 00:20:27,500 to let this thing die down with the girlfriend. 462 00:20:27,567 --> 00:20:28,567 Yes, ma'am. 463 00:20:28,633 --> 00:20:31,567 Right. When did you see the broken glass, Davion? 464 00:20:31,633 --> 00:20:33,800 When the cops came. That's when I saw... 465 00:20:33,867 --> 00:20:36,000 [Judy] Okay. And about what time did the cops come? 466 00:20:36,066 --> 00:20:38,533 -[Davion] Maybe 8:00. -[Judy] Okay. So, shortly thereafter. 467 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,166 -[Davion] Yes. -Were you there when Miss McNeill 468 00:20:41,233 --> 00:20:43,667 -called your girlfriend's father? -Yes. 469 00:20:43,734 --> 00:20:47,333 [Judy] And do you remember what she said to your girlfriend's father? 470 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,233 Not really. McNeill just wanted me to stay in the room 471 00:20:51,300 --> 00:20:53,834 pretty much the whole time 'cause she, you know, 472 00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:54,967 I-- I don't know... 473 00:20:55,033 --> 00:20:56,533 Well, you wanted it to calm down. 474 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,800 [Davion] Yes, yes. We were just trying to have the situation calm down. 475 00:20:59,867 --> 00:21:01,767 [Judy] Well, it didn't calm down. 476 00:21:01,834 --> 00:21:04,333 What happened when the windows got broken? 477 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,166 -Uh... -Look at me. 478 00:21:09,900 --> 00:21:11,367 How did the windows get broken? 479 00:21:11,433 --> 00:21:13,266 I didn't see nothing. I wasn't... 480 00:21:13,333 --> 00:21:16,433 -I was in a room... -Well, let me ask you a question, Davion. 481 00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:19,367 Your foster brothers break the window from the inside? 482 00:21:19,433 --> 00:21:20,533 I don't... 483 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,133 There's five different foster kids in the house. 484 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,367 How am I the only person who would've did it? 485 00:21:25,433 --> 00:21:28,934 Why? Nobody had a motive to break the windows from the outside... 486 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,834 She doesn't like me. She's never liked me. 487 00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:34,000 Just a second. You think she broke her own windows? 488 00:21:34,066 --> 00:21:35,433 -[London] Yes. -What, are you an idiot? 489 00:21:35,500 --> 00:21:37,000 Yes. She never liked me. 490 00:21:37,066 --> 00:21:39,567 [Judy] She didn't break her own house windows! 491 00:21:39,633 --> 00:21:41,834 I mean, what kind of stupidity is that? 492 00:21:44,533 --> 00:21:46,000 [narrator] Are you a victim of an assault? 493 00:21:46,066 --> 00:21:48,233 Go to JudyJustice.tv. 494 00:21:53,033 --> 00:21:55,834 [theme music playing]