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{\an8}It's your claim that you were
dissatisfied with the artwork.
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Correct.
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And you came in
in the middle of the dispute?
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- Yes.
- Because she was screaming at him.
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Name calling and belittling people,
and calling him stupid.
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She even posted pictures
on social media.
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Oh, that I would like to see.
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[Narrator] This is Judy justice.
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[opening theme playing]
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- {\an8}Laurisa Quella-
- Ehlers is suing business owners
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{\an8}Ernie and Sonia Gallego
for a refund on custom T-shirts.
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[Bailiff] Court come to order.
All rise.
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Have a seat, please.
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Case 214,
- Quella-
- Ehlers versus Gallegos
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- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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Your last name is Ehlers?
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- Ehlers. Yes.
- [Judy] Ehlers.
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You have a son?
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- I do.
- And he plays a sport?
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- He does.
- What kind of a sport does he play?
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- He is in asphalt racing.
- [Judy] Is he on the team?
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[Laurisa] We have our own team.
It's called Lionheart Racing.
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{\an8}[Judy] And how many people
are on the team?
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{\an8}He is the sole driver, but we have
a pit crew of approximately eight.
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[Judy] And he doesn't wear a uniform?
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- He... when he drives.
- He wears a race suit.
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- He wears a race suit.
- Yes, correct.
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So the T-shirts that you ordered
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from the defendant
were for the eight and crew?
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[Laurisa] It was to sell.
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My son has a congenital heart defect,
and he was treated when he was
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very young at talk hospital,
so we sell shirts to donate the proceeds
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- to talk hospital.
- To whom?
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We sell shirts to fans,
to the pit crew, to family, friends.
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Well, pit crew is only eight people.
I assume you give them a shirt.
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- We do.
- [Judy] Yeah, of course.
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So the other ones you sell,
if you could sell...
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How many years
have you been selling these shirts?
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- Two years.
- [Judy] And last year,
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who made the T-shirts for you?
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- A place called Rush Order Tees.
- Would you look that up, please?
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Sure.
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[Laurisa] It's an online...
T-shirt ordering.
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And when they came last year,
how many did you order?
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- We ordered 200 last year.
- [Judy] How many did you sell?
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- We sold all of them.
- And how much were they?
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- A piece to make?
- They were $25 a piece.
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{\an8}- To make?
- To make 13, I believe.
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{\an8}So you were able to give
a lot of money that year
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{\an8}- to your favorite charity?
- Correct.
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Why didn't you go back
to Rush Order Tees
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- this year?
- Sonia, uh, the defendant...
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No, I'm asking you, were you satisfied
with your product?
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{\an8}I was, and I was actually in
the process of getting ready to place
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{\an8}a new order when I received
a call at my office asking if I would
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be interested in placing
an order with their company
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- that was a local company.
- And who did you get that call from?
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- Sonia.
- [Judy] That's you?
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- Yes.
- How did you get the plaintiff's number?
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I was making calls to local businesses
listed as members
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{\an8}of the Placentia City Chamber of Commerce.
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{\an8}Her place of business, Impact Properties,
came up as a member,
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and I made a call, and she was
the one that answered the phone.
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[Judy] And what did you say to her?
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I introduced myself, and I let her know
that we are a screen printing business
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here in Placentia,
and I was reaching out to local businesses
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to see if they would be interested
in ordering custom T-shirts, and if not,
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at least to let them know
that we offer those services
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- for future reference.
- How much did you
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quote her per T-shirt?
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So she ordered
a few different garments...
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- Just tell me what you quoted her.
- $14 per T-shirt.
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That's a dollar more than you
had paid last year.
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- Correct.
- Had you gotten a quote
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from Rush Order for this year?
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Not yet.
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[Judy] Well, that would
cut into your profit by about $200.
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Except that I didn't have to pay shipping.
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Rush Order is a large online,
reputable business for screen printing
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bags, cups, shirts.
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- Okay.
- Things like that.
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- And you were happy with them last year?
- Yes.
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On what date
did you place an order
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with the defendant's company
for these T-shirts?
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- [Laurisa] March 30.
- Do you have a written agreement?
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- I do.
- May I see it, please?
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{\an8}I would like to note that the $14 quote
was for 90 T-shirts, not 200.
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I just want to see what the contract says.
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Yes, $14 was for 90.
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That was for short sleeved.
Long sleeved, printed, was $16 plus tax.
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There's a setup fee, redraw artwork,
extra extra large sizes.
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Well, this is not a signed agreement.
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However, the last sentence reads,
"By submitting your payment,
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you agree to these terms and conditions.
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You are verifying that all the information
on the invoice is correct."
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- You submitted payment?
- I do have proof of payment, yes.
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[Judy] They don't dispute that
you actually pay them because
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- you had to pay them in advance.
- Correct.
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[Judy] Okay, so this is a clear contract,
and it's your claim that you
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were dissatisfied with the artwork,
you had paid already.
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{\an8}You want a refund.
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{\an8}- You did not use their T-shirts,
- Correct.
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{\an8}and I believe you actually canceled,
or tried to reverse,
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the credit card that you had used.
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I tried to get a refund
through PayPal, correct.
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[Judy] And, according to you,
that was denied because the defendant said
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that you had actually
picked up the T-shirts.
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- Correct.
- Okay.
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- And I have that...
- Do you... I'd like to see that.
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- The incorrect logo was used.
- [Judy shushing]
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Okay, before I get into
the substantive part of it, whether or not
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you like the artwork or not,
who was contacted by PayPal?
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- Which one of you?
- That would be...
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- [Judy] Okay.
- He has the PayPal claim.
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I took care of PayPal.
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{\an8}- You took the call from PayPal?
- Yes.
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{\an8}When you had communication with PayPal,
do you have any proof...
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written proof of your communication,
or did you just speak
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to PayPal verbally on the phone?
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Uh, both. We talked on the phone,
and we also...
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PayPal documents our conversations
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via email through the website.
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Did you tell PayPal that the plaintiff
had picked up the merchandise?
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- Yes.
- Well, that's not true.
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It is true.
She picked up the merchandise.
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[Judy] No.
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I don't believe that, sir.
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I believe she was
dissatisfied with the merchandise.
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But unless you can prove to me
that she picked up the merchandise,
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I don't believe that.
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Because she may be a tough cookie,
and she may have gotten crazed with you
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and said miserable things
about you in her review,
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{\an8}but she would not be here today
if she picked up the merchandise.
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{\an8}Her event was the next day.
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{\an8}The day she picked them up, uh,
was the day before her event.
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- Who gave it to her?
- We gave it to her.
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Not we. No, not we.
Who gave it to her?
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- I gave it to her?
- You're asking me a question, sir.
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You're asking me a question.
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- Her order... mm-hmm.
- Just a second.
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- You have a business?
- Yes.
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You're in a building.
Is there a reception area in the building?
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- Yes.
- Did you tell PayPal that
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they were picked up from the
reception area in the building?
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- I d-don't recall...
- [Judy] I want you to think about it.
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I want you to think about it.
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Did you tell PayPal
that they were picked up
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in a reception area in your building?
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I don't recall if I said
the reception area or my office.
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I'm not sure the...
the term knowledge I used.
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Well, what was it?
Receptionary or your office?
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My office...
[stammering]
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- [Judy] That's a question.
- My reception area is in my office.
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I don't recall exactly what I told PayPal,
but she did pick them up that day,
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- and that's what I told PayPal.
- No, I don't believe you.
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Okay.
That's what we're here for.
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That's what we're here for, because
sizing her up, she's a tough cookie.
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And she, as I said, might
have been dissatisfied with the logo,
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which I don't necessarily have to even
go into now, what the screen was like,
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what... the colors were off,
or whatever it was.
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I don't have to go into that,
because if I believe
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that she did not pick up the merchandise,
and you told PayPal that she did
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pick up the merchandise,
she gets her refund back.
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So I'm going to come back to you.
You didn't like the way they looked?
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- Correct.
- I don't care why.
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[Judy] Did you have other shirts made?
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I did. I have one
of them here today.
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Do you have an invoice
for the other shirts?
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- Who did you have them made by?
- Rush Order Tees.
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That's easy. When did you have
them made by Rush Order Tees?
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- I had them made in May.
- Well, that's about 30 days later.
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- And did you sell them?
- Yes, we did.
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Okay, pull up an order from your phone
for Rush Order Tees, please.
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While you're looking at it, just tell me
how much did you pay for them,
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from Rush Order Tees,
and how many did you order?
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Um, it was just slightly over $2,000?
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I believe we ordered 110 T-shirts.
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- Okay. And you got them sometime in May.
- [Laurisa] Correct.
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I'm sorry, that was April 26th,
was the exact date.
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May I see it, please?
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There's my order.
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Oh, at $18.28?
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{\an8}Yeah, okay.
That make sense.
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{\an8}Okay, so Mr. And Mrs. Gallego,
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{\an8}she ordered the T-shirts within
a couple of weeks
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and got them from another company,
which suggests to me that if
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she picked up your T-shirts,
she would not have done that.
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- Do you understand? Do you understand?
- I don't agree with that.
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No I don't, because if she ordered 200...
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[Judy ] You may not...
you may not like it, but
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ladies may be to you abrasive,
because that's what you say in here,
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she may be abrasive, but she would not ask
for a refund through PayPal if she...
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- The previous year she ordered 200.
- If she had...
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If she had picked up the merchandise,
she would not have done that.
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[Ernie] The previous year,
she ordered 200.
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And this year she ordered 100 from me,
100 from them, which, same is consistent.
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- Two hundred shirts.
- I can answer to that if you'd like.
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- She picked them up.
- No, she didn't. No, she didn't.
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{\an8}We ordered a smaller quantity
this year because many of our friends
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{\an8}had already purchased
them the previous year.
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Whatever. I don't believe
that you picked them up.
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I believe that you got angry because
they weren't exactly what you wanted.
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You looked at them.
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But there's no question that
it was an easy answer for him to give
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when PayPal called and said, "She
picked them up from the reception area."
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Okay? And I don't
believe that.
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So you have to get your
refund back because you were
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dissatisfied and because you lied.
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There was an incident
between the plaintiff
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and your husband, and you came in.
Did you say something to her?
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- Yeah, I did.
- Don't.
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- I can't... I don't want to talk to her?
- No.
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[theme music playing]
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- {\an8}[Narrator] Laurisa Quella-
- Ehlers claims business owners
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{\an8}Ernie and Sonia Gallego owe
for a refund on custom T-shirts.
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Ernie and Sonia are counter suing
for defamation.
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- [Sonia] No, that doesn't justify...
- What?
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We did do all the work. The printing
is the very last part of the order.
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We did the graphic work.
We printed samples.
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We went above and beyond
to try to make her happy,
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and she was completely unreasonable.
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- There was...
- Listen, I said to you she may be
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a completely unreasonable customer.
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- Right.
- That's possible.
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Fortunately, I don't have to go
into that, because the reason
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your husband gave PayPal
for not giving her a refund
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was because she took the merchandise.
And I don't believe that.
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I believe she may have been, in your eyes,
a totally unreasonable customer.
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And if your husband had said to PayPal,
"We were ready, willing, and able.
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We fulfilled our contract to the letter,
and we could just not satisfy this lady.
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The merchandise is here,
ready to be picked up.
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It was always ready to be picked up."
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He didn't. He told them she got it,
and that was not true.
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And that, Ms. Gallego,
is why she gets her refund back.
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Her event was a day before,
we were on a crucial deadline.
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We have our employees
working overtime getting her job done.
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{\an8}We have receipts of all the items
that were printed that were ordered.
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{\an8}She came in the day before her event,
picked up what we had completed.
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We had completed approximately 72 shirts.
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She took one box out of two that day,
she was going to come back for the rest.
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She left with what she had for her event.
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She even posted pictures
on social media of our shirts.
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Oh, that I would like to see.
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- Did you pick up any boxes from him?
- I picked up no boxes.
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{\an8}And the event that he's referring to,
my son has a race
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{\an8}on the second Saturday
of every month.
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I had asked for those shirts to be ready
by his April race,
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but because they were not, I didn't
have shirts for him until the March race.
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Every shirt that you see in my
social media or my son's social media
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is the shirts that we purchased
from Rush Order Tees.
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- [Judy] I'd like to see.
- This is our sample picture.
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- [Judy] No, I want to see what...
- Oh, here.
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Is that one of the shirts
that you prepared for her?
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[Sonia] This is on her
social media account.
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And then this is also just
the graphic work that we did
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on her social media pages.
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- Which social media account?
- [Judy] I'll find out.
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We know that's our shirts
because I did the graphic design work,
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all the logos she gave me were,
like, different colors.
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They were full color.
They had black backgrounds.
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I revised, redrew everything
and convert them all to white.
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- [Judy] One second.
- I did the graphic work,
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and they're all in PNG form,
so all you have to do is change them...
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[Sonia] If she did the graphic work,
then why would she pay us
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to do the graphic work?
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And I have an email print out
of the graphic she submitted to us.
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- It is not print ready.
- Oh, I don't care about that.
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I'm not getting into those weeds.
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- I have copies of all of the JPEGs.
- Because...because
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according to you...
I'm gonna go back,
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- he said that there were two boxes ready?
- There were two boxes ready.
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There's two boxes ready.
But that wasn't all the shirts.
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- [Ernie] There was...
- Two box... [shushing]
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The two boxes were not all the shirts.
How many shirts are in a box?
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Seventy-two.
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[Judy] So what you're telling me
is that she picked up 72 shirts?
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- Yes.
- Okay, go back and tell me.
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Just refresh my recollection as to what
he said about the two boxes of shirts.
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"We had two boxes of shirts ready."
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I didn't pick up a thing.
They wouldn't even let me take the sample.
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"She took one box out of two that day.
She was going to come back for the rest."
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Were there only two boxes,
or were there more than two boxes?
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Two boxes.
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Did you tell PayPal that she did not
take half of the merchandise?
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I told PayPal that we filled 72 pieces
when I talked to him on the phone.
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[Judy] That's not what PayPal said to her.
Sir, that's not what PayPal said.
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I'm not sure what PayPal said to her.
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[Judy] PayPal said that
the merchandise was delivered to you,
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- Exactly what...
- and you did not return,
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and it was not returned.
But that's not true.
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Exactly what I'm testifying here
is what I told PayPal.
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Well, then why wouldn't PayPal
say to her, "Look,
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we don't know what the dispute
is all about,
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color and everything else, but you're
entitled to half your deposit back
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if you told her you only
delivered half the merchandise."
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The thing is 100% of the shirts...
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there's... there's three locations,
the front, back, and a sleeve.
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We have... everything is 100%.
The sleeves are done.
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The 72 were printed 100%,
we he just had 29 shirts remaining...
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- Uh, 28 shirts remaining...
- Yeah, I don't believe you,
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Mr. Gallego, she gets her deposit back.
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{\an8}Now we're going
to get to your counter claim.
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{\an8}Counterclaim is for $5,000 for defamation.
So I'd like to see how she defamed you.
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Um, so Laurisa posted
a negative review on Yelp,
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- which she's allowed to.
- [Judy] She's allowed to do.
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However, she's not allowed to say that my
husband lunged at her and was aggressive.
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That's a...
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I'd like to see it,
and then I'll ask her about it.
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[Sonia] And I've also included
other reviews from other businesses
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that she's dealt with,
where it has the same Mo.
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I spoke to another business owner...
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[Judy] Did Miss Gallego call you
on your cell phone the day afterwards
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to apologize for her husband's behavior?
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- She called me that afternoon.
- On your cell phone?
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- I believe it was on my cell phone, yes.
- And this happened on April 26, 2022?
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It happened on April 8th.
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Okay, so that would be in your phone log?
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- Should be, if I still have it.
- While she's looking, Ms. Gallego
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after this incident,
when she came in and had this acrimonious
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discussion with your husband, which is
evidenced in this review,
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did you call Ms. Ehlers?
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- I did...
- Did you call her?
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- I did call her.
- Okay.
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- Yes, I did.
- Because that she can prove,
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- that you called her.
- Yes.
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Now, after this screaming
match that she had with your husband,
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where she left your premises...
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- It wasn't...
- [Judy] She said...
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She said that you came down
for whatever reason.
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I'm just asking you
things that can be proven.
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- Right.
- What can be proven is,
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after she stormed out that day,
you called her the next day.
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I want to know what you're
claiming you said to her the next day.
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I gave her a call
to smooth the situation over.
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Just tell me what you
said to her the next day.
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"Hello, it's me from $5 School Tees.
It's Sonia."
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- Okay.
- What did you say to her? Be careful.
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I don't remember word for word,
but what I do remember saying
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{\an8}is that, "I apologize
for how everything played out..."
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{\an8}[Judy] Okay. Okay.
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{\an8}Because there was an incident between
the plaintiff and your husband.
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Yes.
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- And you came in...
- [Unintelligible whispering]
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Did you say something to her?
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- Yeah, I did.
- Don't.
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I can't...
I don't want to talk to her?
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No.
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I think you got
into a screaming match with her,
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and I think that your wife
intervened that day,
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which is why she called her
the next day to try to smooth things over.
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[overlapping arguing]
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- [Judy] This is not a...
- That's not actually happened, though.
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This is not a tea dance.
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[theme music playing]
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- {\an8}[Narrator] Laurisa Quella-
- Ehlers is accusing business owners
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{\an8}Ernie and Sonia Gallego
of ruining her custom T-shirt order.
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Ernie and Sonia say Laurisa left
a negative review and defamed them.
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Okay. You came in
in the middle of the dispute
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Yes.
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And in the middle of the dispute
to try to calm things down.
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- Yes.
- Because she was screaming at him.
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- Yes.
- And he was screaming at her.
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- No.
- What was he saying to her?
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She was screaming at him,
and what was he doing?
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Now, just remember,
you called her the next day
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- I did.
- to apologize to her.
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Not to her. I called to apologize
for the entire situation from beginning.
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[Judy] But if what you're telling me
is that the only one who was
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behaving badly was the plaintiff.
That's what you're telling me.
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The only one that was
behaving badly was the plaintiff.
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[Sonia] She was out of line.
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- She... okay.
- [Judy] T-There's no question.
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There's no question. Actually,
she acknowledges in this review...
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- But that's not the worst part of it.
- [shushing]
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She acknowledges in this review
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- that she was out of line in screaming.
- [Sonia] Yes.
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- And that's what you came into?
- Yes.
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So the only thing that you're
disputing is that your husband
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was likewise screaming at her,
answered her back.
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He was not screaming. He was, um...
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patient, and he was attempting
to work it out with her.
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{\an8}The only thing I remember
him saying and I can recall
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{\an8}is him saying, "I'm trying to help you.
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{\an8}I don't understand
why you're acting this way."
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And I do recall him telling her
that she was a bad person,
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- because she was.
- [Judy] Okay. Okay.
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Yeah. I mean, a person
can only take so much.
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- She was...
- [Judy] Just a sec. I'm...
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telling you, she says this...
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- Yes.
- in her review.
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Okay, now you want me to look
at other reviews that she wrote
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- for a carpet carpet company in 2021?
- [Sonia] Yes, and I spoke to the owner.
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[Judy shushing]
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Okay, first she complained about
a carpet company and the horrible service.
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They laughed at her and disrespected her.
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Okay, and then that was in 2021.
That was a year before.
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Then she posted a review,
according to the timeline, in 2015.
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So six years before.
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- It shows a pattern.
- No. A pattern?
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- A pattern? Of three complaints?
- Yeah, a...
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Three complaints from somebody
who lives a life in six years?
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I have a copy of all
of the five star reviews I've given.
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Okay, and this one says that
the owner wasn't interested
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in hearing her complaints,
it was over the phone and hung up.
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That's 2015. Okay.
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She takes her reviews seriously.
Now you want to show me other reviews?
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These are all of the five star reviews
that I've done as well.
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I'm an equal opportunity Yelper.
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No, just a second.
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Would you just show this
to the plaintiff and make sure
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she agrees that those are hers.
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And then I'm going to have you
show this to the defendants.
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Okay, now show this to...
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Ms. Gallego.
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All you have to do
is look at them quickly.
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No, just a second.
You didn't look at them.
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Oh, I was reading...
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You don't have to read the whole thing.
These are five star reviews.
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- Yes.
- Count how many she did.
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- Yes, I see that there's...
- Okay,
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so she takes her reviews seriously.
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- Not a pattern.
- Right, but...
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she's aggressive in every one.
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- Like I mentioned...
- Not aggressive in here.
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- Well, not in the...
- Not aggre... not in here.
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- negative one's, yes.
- Not in here.
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And two of the ones that you gave me
were over the phone.
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If I told you how many times
my husband hangs up on people
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- over the phone aggressively...
- I understand, but, but...
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name calling and belittling people,
and calling him...
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- Retarded, stupid...
- ...stupid...
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[Judy] Just a second.
All unladylike.
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[Ernie] She attacked my faith.
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- She...
- [Judy] Listen to me.
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That's not what you're
talking about, Mr. Gallego.
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You're talking about
a lawsuit for defamation,
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that she posted something
that was false on the Internet.
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And I'm telling you it wasn't false
because I think you got into
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a screaming match with her, and I think
that your wife intervened that day,
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which is why she called her the next day,
to try to smooth things over.
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- I know that that's what you think...
- This not a...
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This is not a tea dance...
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This is not a tea dance, you understand?
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This is not a tea dance. I believe
that she did not pick up her shirts.
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I believe that that's why
your wife called her,
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to try to smooth out that, as well as
what had happened the day before.
447
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,567
She behaved badly.
448
00:22:26,633 --> 00:22:28,600
You're allowing a tyrant
to get away with this.
449
00:22:28,667 --> 00:22:30,867
I'm allowing a tyrant
to get away with this?
450
00:22:30,934 --> 00:22:35,567
She completely bashed us, she's lying.
She picked up her order.
451
00:22:35,633 --> 00:22:36,633
[Judy] No, I don't believe that.
452
00:22:36,700 --> 00:22:41,333
Your Honor, I... my reputation... I work
with students. I work with T-shirts, moms.
453
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,533
- My reputation... I don't advertise.
- Just a second.
454
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:44,600
It's all word of mouth.
455
00:22:44,667 --> 00:22:47,800
She did not pick up her order, sir.
Even according to you.
456
00:22:47,867 --> 00:22:49,867
According to you,
she only picked up a partial order.
457
00:22:49,934 --> 00:22:52,100
She picked up one box.
That's according to you.
458
00:22:52,166 --> 00:22:54,266
- But we also did all the work...
- Seventy-two... 72 out of 100.
459
00:22:54,734 --> 00:22:58,333
No, I don't... listen to me.
So what you're saying is
460
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,767
there were two boxes, not in half.
The orders were not in half.
461
00:23:02,834 --> 00:23:05,667
You filled up one box,
and only there was a little...
462
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,800
a little bit of merchandise left
463
00:23:07,867 --> 00:23:09,233
- in the second box.
- She was supposed to come back for, yes.
464
00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:10,633
Yeah. I don't believe you, sir.
465
00:23:10,700 --> 00:23:11,700
- Because she need...
- She gets her refund.
466
00:23:11,767 --> 00:23:14,633
She gets her refund.
Uh, $1,693.
467
00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:16,700
Judgement for the plaintiff.
Counterclaims dismissed.
468
00:23:16,767 --> 00:23:19,400
- We are done here.
- [Bailiff] This court is adjourned.
469
00:23:22,033 --> 00:23:24,033
She completely dismissed the way
she treated us.
470
00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:25,567
She absolutely made
the right decision.
471
00:23:25,633 --> 00:23:29,567
I've never dealt with a customer
like this in my 25 year history.
472
00:23:29,633 --> 00:23:31,533
I went well above and beyond.
473
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,667
They're angry with me because
I didn't like their work product.
474
00:23:33,734 --> 00:23:36,533
Our work speaks for itself.
Our history speaks for itself.
475
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,266
We have clients
that have been with us for years,
476
00:23:38,333 --> 00:23:39,900
and we'll just continue
doing what we're doing.
477
00:23:39,967 --> 00:23:41,367
You always get what you pay for.
478
00:23:41,433 --> 00:23:43,400
Make sure you're looking out
for where you're doing business.
479
00:23:44,767 --> 00:23:47,333
I really believe that she got
aggressive with him
480
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,100
when she went to pick up
those T-shirts.
481
00:23:49,166 --> 00:23:51,433
She acknowledges
she got aggressive with him.
482
00:23:51,500 --> 00:23:56,767
She says in her Yelp review, she...
sorry to say that she became angry
483
00:23:56,834 --> 00:24:00,500
and agitated and started screaming at him,
which he doesn't have to tolerate.
484
00:24:00,567 --> 00:24:04,300
I do believe that his wife intervened,
as she said in her Yelp review,
485
00:24:04,367 --> 00:24:06,900
that his wife came in,
saying to his wife.
486
00:24:06,967 --> 00:24:09,400
"I'm talking to her, not to you."
487
00:24:09,467 --> 00:24:11,567
- Really heated moments.
- I can actually
488
00:24:11,633 --> 00:24:12,700
- see him...
- Visualize it.
489
00:24:12,767 --> 00:24:14,900
I can actually visualize
him saying that.
490
00:24:14,967 --> 00:24:16,633
You have to make a judgment.
491
00:24:16,700 --> 00:24:21,066
And the judgment really was whether
somebody who was aggressive, and she was,
492
00:24:21,133 --> 00:24:24,100
who knows her business,
knows what she wants, runs a business,
493
00:24:24,166 --> 00:24:27,033
had ordered the shirts before,
had ordered from somebody else,
494
00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:31,633
was satisfied with the previous order,
because there was no negative review
495
00:24:31,700 --> 00:24:36,100
that they showed from that order.
She may have been dissatisfied.
496
00:24:36,166 --> 00:24:38,533
She may have had
just cause to be dissatisfied,
497
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,900
but he lied when she said
she picked up the shirts.
498
00:24:40,967 --> 00:24:42,033
Just to prevent her
499
00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:43,734
- from getting a refund.
- From getting her refund.
500
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,066
So I didn't believe that,
because I don't think that that woman
501
00:24:47,133 --> 00:24:49,367
would have been here
if she had picked up the shirts.
502
00:24:49,433 --> 00:24:50,433
She would have been here.
503
00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:52,700
She would have said, "I want a refund,
because here are the shirts.
504
00:24:52,767 --> 00:24:54,467
- It's not what I ordered."
- Exactly.
505
00:24:54,533 --> 00:24:56,700
- It doesn't make sense.
- I-It's usually not true.
506
00:24:56,767 --> 00:24:57,834
Mm-hmm.
507
00:24:59,433 --> 00:25:03,233
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