1 00:00:07,592 --> 00:00:08,468 - If you get obsessive about these conspiracy theories, 2 00:00:08,509 --> 00:00:10,011 it separates you from society. 3 00:00:10,053 --> 00:00:12,138 You think that your friends and family would be happy 4 00:00:12,180 --> 00:00:13,389 to find out that they've been lied to, 5 00:00:13,431 --> 00:00:15,808 but instead, they turn on you. 6 00:00:15,850 --> 00:00:18,770 [tense music] 7 00:00:18,811 --> 00:00:25,943 * * 8 00:00:26,611 --> 00:00:29,238 - Rosanne felt like a failure to launch. 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,076 I think she just found in QAnon a purpose. 10 00:00:33,117 --> 00:00:38,998 It was gonna be an opportunity to be a part of something huge. 11 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,378 - I have always been interested in why people believe 12 00:00:43,419 --> 00:00:46,255 in conspiracy theories because I understand firsthand. 13 00:00:46,297 --> 00:00:49,300 It was totally intoxicating. 14 00:00:49,342 --> 00:00:55,556 * * 15 00:00:55,598 --> 00:00:57,725 - What bothers me is my family. 16 00:00:57,767 --> 00:00:59,310 I don't think they think I'm crazy, 17 00:00:59,352 --> 00:01:02,146 but they think that the things I do are crazy. 18 00:01:04,732 --> 00:01:06,818 - This is not a viral pandemic. 19 00:01:06,859 --> 00:01:08,653 This is a fear pandemic. 20 00:01:08,694 --> 00:01:11,948 It has been hard with my children. 21 00:01:11,989 --> 00:01:16,160 I hope that someday my daughter will appreciate 22 00:01:16,202 --> 00:01:19,330 how I'm trying to fight for her. 23 00:01:19,372 --> 00:01:23,459 * * 24 00:01:23,501 --> 00:01:25,753 - Yeah, I've lost lots of supposed friends. 25 00:01:25,795 --> 00:01:28,339 Over and over again, "What's happened to you?" 26 00:01:28,381 --> 00:01:30,383 My mother said she "disagrees with me," 27 00:01:30,425 --> 00:01:32,343 but she hasn't read anything that I've read 28 00:01:32,385 --> 00:01:33,511 and she doesn't know what the fuck 29 00:01:33,553 --> 00:01:34,971 she's disagreeing with. 30 00:01:35,012 --> 00:01:39,350 * * 31 00:01:39,392 --> 00:01:41,436 - It's almost biblical, where they talk about 32 00:01:41,477 --> 00:01:44,480 how family--brother would turn against brother, 33 00:01:44,522 --> 00:01:45,857 father against son. 34 00:01:48,025 --> 00:01:49,152 - Very little. 35 00:01:49,193 --> 00:01:50,361 [tearfully] And I don't know whether 36 00:01:50,403 --> 00:01:52,405 I'm gonna ever have a good relationship 37 00:01:52,447 --> 00:01:54,323 with him again. 38 00:01:54,365 --> 00:01:58,327 * * 39 00:01:58,369 --> 00:02:01,289 [unsettling music] 40 00:02:01,330 --> 00:02:07,712 * * 41 00:02:47,752 --> 00:02:51,839 - We are at my apartment in Brooklyn, New York. 42 00:02:51,881 --> 00:02:54,384 This is where I work from home, 43 00:02:54,425 --> 00:02:57,220 often, like, crunched up on the couch. 44 00:02:57,261 --> 00:02:59,806 [soft orchestral music] 45 00:02:59,847 --> 00:03:02,058 Right now, the story that I am looking into 46 00:03:02,100 --> 00:03:06,729 is a story about marriages or other familial relationships 47 00:03:06,771 --> 00:03:08,564 where one person is, like, 48 00:03:08,606 --> 00:03:11,275 pretty deep down the conspiracy rabbit hole 49 00:03:11,317 --> 00:03:15,405 and the other person isn't. 50 00:03:15,446 --> 00:03:16,906 - My relationship with [bleep] 51 00:03:16,948 --> 00:03:19,075 has become completely estranged 52 00:03:19,117 --> 00:03:20,076 in the last year. 53 00:03:20,118 --> 00:03:21,702 She's watching YouTube videos. 54 00:03:21,744 --> 00:03:23,287 I mean, she's just getting funneled 55 00:03:23,329 --> 00:03:25,039 down that algorithm, right? 56 00:03:25,081 --> 00:03:27,917 Like, to more and more kind of radical, bizarre things. 57 00:03:27,959 --> 00:03:30,628 - It's not just, like, a funny conspiracy theory 58 00:03:30,670 --> 00:03:33,631 that unicorns and bigfoot is real. 59 00:03:33,673 --> 00:03:36,634 They've been almost indoctrinated in. 60 00:03:36,676 --> 00:03:39,262 And they're, like, set in this core beliefs. 61 00:03:39,303 --> 00:03:41,055 It's exactly like a cult. 62 00:03:41,097 --> 00:03:43,266 You know, and they, like, drink the Kool-Aid. 63 00:03:43,307 --> 00:03:47,770 - It was like watching [bleep] become another person. 64 00:03:47,812 --> 00:03:51,899 And the way he treated me and how vastly it changed 65 00:03:51,941 --> 00:03:57,905 from him loving me and thinking I was wonderful to... 66 00:03:59,741 --> 00:04:03,453 Hating seemingly everything about me. 67 00:04:03,494 --> 00:04:07,206 - It's easier to feel angry at her 68 00:04:07,248 --> 00:04:12,211 than it is to start thinking about how much I miss her. 69 00:04:12,253 --> 00:04:14,797 [keyboard clicking] 70 00:04:14,839 --> 00:04:18,342 - All of these changes kind of exist on a spectrum. 71 00:04:18,384 --> 00:04:21,971 And we're all changing all the time, 72 00:04:22,013 --> 00:04:23,806 and especially now 73 00:04:23,848 --> 00:04:25,683 in the informational environment that we're in, 74 00:04:25,725 --> 00:04:28,644 people change their perspective on the world. 75 00:04:28,686 --> 00:04:29,937 A lot is happening. 76 00:04:29,979 --> 00:04:31,522 And what do you do 77 00:04:31,564 --> 00:04:34,484 if the person you thought you married wakes up one day 78 00:04:34,525 --> 00:04:35,985 and has a different opinion than you 79 00:04:36,027 --> 00:04:37,320 about something really important 80 00:04:37,361 --> 00:04:38,946 and really serious? 81 00:04:38,988 --> 00:04:41,949 [somber music] 82 00:04:41,991 --> 00:04:49,207 * * 83 00:04:50,083 --> 00:04:54,879 - Tomorrow, would've been married for 18 years. 84 00:04:54,921 --> 00:05:00,134 But we were together for 22 years. 85 00:05:00,176 --> 00:05:03,930 So this is actually my favorite picture 86 00:05:03,971 --> 00:05:05,473 from our wedding. 87 00:05:05,515 --> 00:05:10,478 Um, it was our first dance after. 88 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:16,025 This was our rehearsal supper. 89 00:05:16,067 --> 00:05:17,860 I was 23. He was 25. 90 00:05:17,902 --> 00:05:19,779 [sniffles] 91 00:05:19,821 --> 00:05:23,199 Um... 92 00:05:23,241 --> 00:05:24,867 that was a really great day. 93 00:05:24,909 --> 00:05:26,160 [sniffles] 94 00:05:29,163 --> 00:05:30,415 He didn't say "I do." 95 00:05:30,456 --> 00:05:32,083 He said "I will always." 96 00:05:32,125 --> 00:05:38,214 * * 97 00:05:38,256 --> 00:05:42,218 He brought a lot of peace... 98 00:05:42,260 --> 00:05:43,594 to my life. 99 00:05:45,388 --> 00:05:49,392 A lot of joy. [cries] 100 00:05:49,434 --> 00:05:52,437 [sighs] I felt very stable 101 00:05:52,478 --> 00:05:54,897 when I was with him. 102 00:05:57,817 --> 00:06:01,946 And that--that all left 103 00:06:01,988 --> 00:06:06,576 once he got into Q and conspiratorial thinking. 104 00:06:06,617 --> 00:06:13,666 * * 105 00:06:15,460 --> 00:06:16,502 My name is Stephanie. 106 00:06:16,544 --> 00:06:17,754 I'm a CFO 107 00:06:17,795 --> 00:06:20,673 of a local construction company. 108 00:06:20,715 --> 00:06:25,261 I have two children that... 109 00:06:25,303 --> 00:06:28,306 are characters 110 00:06:28,347 --> 00:06:30,641 that I love, 111 00:06:30,683 --> 00:06:33,269 that make me laugh every day. 112 00:06:33,311 --> 00:06:36,064 Our daughter, she'll be 15 next month. 113 00:06:36,105 --> 00:06:40,526 Our son just turned seven in November. 114 00:06:40,568 --> 00:06:47,658 * * 115 00:06:49,619 --> 00:06:51,788 My ex was very into sports. 116 00:06:51,829 --> 00:06:54,207 He loved the Saints. 117 00:06:54,248 --> 00:06:59,087 Every Sunday was this-- was watching the game, 118 00:06:59,128 --> 00:07:01,798 high-fiving, chest bumping... [laughing] sometimes 119 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,301 when a play would be really good. 120 00:07:05,343 --> 00:07:10,014 We were both really into fantasy football. 121 00:07:10,056 --> 00:07:14,852 I wonder if that experience of following the backchannels 122 00:07:14,894 --> 00:07:18,648 of the sports world on message boards 123 00:07:18,689 --> 00:07:22,193 maybe gave some validity to this stuff for him. 124 00:07:22,235 --> 00:07:23,945 Like, "Ooh, when I used to follow this" 125 00:07:23,986 --> 00:07:26,614 and they'd have somebody who was an insider 126 00:07:26,656 --> 00:07:29,450 and they were right sometimes, you know? 127 00:07:29,492 --> 00:07:31,828 I don't know, it seems like such a small thing, 128 00:07:31,869 --> 00:07:36,332 but I do remember that he would buy into that, 129 00:07:36,374 --> 00:07:37,750 you know? 130 00:07:37,792 --> 00:07:42,213 * * 131 00:07:42,255 --> 00:07:46,509 There were never any signs that things were gonna change. 132 00:07:46,551 --> 00:07:49,762 He was always very down-to-earth, 133 00:07:49,804 --> 00:07:54,684 and grounded, and fun. 134 00:07:54,726 --> 00:07:57,520 You know, it was never a thought in my mind 135 00:07:57,562 --> 00:08:01,858 that he would... 136 00:08:01,899 --> 00:08:05,069 delve into that fantasy land, you know? 137 00:08:05,111 --> 00:08:12,076 * * 138 00:08:13,745 --> 00:08:16,122 He was never into politics. 139 00:08:16,164 --> 00:08:19,041 But he never had, like, strong feelings one way or the other, 140 00:08:19,083 --> 00:08:23,129 and I'd probably describe him before all of this 141 00:08:23,171 --> 00:08:27,258 as fiscally moderate conservative 142 00:08:27,300 --> 00:08:30,636 and very socially liberal. 143 00:08:30,678 --> 00:08:32,889 I put together a timeline 144 00:08:32,930 --> 00:08:36,601 to show the progression of his journey 145 00:08:36,642 --> 00:08:38,728 into the rabbit hole. 146 00:08:38,770 --> 00:08:41,731 It was a steady decline, 147 00:08:41,773 --> 00:08:45,485 and then progressed from there, 148 00:08:45,526 --> 00:08:47,487 you know, stranger and stranger 149 00:08:47,528 --> 00:08:50,281 to a point of concern. 150 00:08:52,575 --> 00:08:55,787 Sometime in the summer of 2020, 151 00:08:55,828 --> 00:08:58,790 he brought up Q for the first time 152 00:08:58,831 --> 00:09:00,750 and said that he would go on record 153 00:09:00,792 --> 00:09:05,338 saying Q+ was President Trump himself. 154 00:09:05,380 --> 00:09:08,841 I actually cried myself to sleep that night. 155 00:09:08,883 --> 00:09:13,304 I mean, I kinda knew that we may be headed 156 00:09:13,346 --> 00:09:15,932 in a rough direction. 157 00:09:15,973 --> 00:09:18,768 He texted me about different theories: 158 00:09:18,810 --> 00:09:22,105 world governments falling, millions of humans trafficked, 159 00:09:22,146 --> 00:09:25,108 our own government killing us off for decades, 160 00:09:25,149 --> 00:09:28,903 9/11 was our government, Uranium One, 161 00:09:28,945 --> 00:09:30,863 SEAL Team Six, Benghazi, 162 00:09:30,905 --> 00:09:33,241 devil worship, ritual sacrifice, 163 00:09:33,282 --> 00:09:35,827 adrenochrome, bioweapons like Covid, 164 00:09:35,868 --> 00:09:38,538 endless wars, media corruption... 165 00:09:38,579 --> 00:09:42,083 [sighs] Big Tech, Big Pharma, 166 00:09:42,125 --> 00:09:44,961 "This is what the Great Awakening is. 167 00:09:45,002 --> 00:09:48,464 "I want a future with you more than you know, 168 00:09:48,506 --> 00:09:51,676 "but it'll be based in hard truths and reality, 169 00:09:51,718 --> 00:09:56,139 not some false sense of security." 170 00:09:56,180 --> 00:09:58,808 I talked a lot to my mom about what was going on 171 00:09:58,850 --> 00:10:00,977 and she was like, "No. No. 172 00:10:01,018 --> 00:10:03,813 This is--this is too much now." 173 00:10:03,855 --> 00:10:06,274 I contacted his family 174 00:10:06,315 --> 00:10:09,819 and told them how I was feeling 175 00:10:09,861 --> 00:10:11,320 and said, "At this point, 176 00:10:11,362 --> 00:10:14,282 I gotta do what's best for me and my kids." 177 00:10:14,323 --> 00:10:18,745 So we tried to have sort of a little intervention. 178 00:10:19,871 --> 00:10:22,999 And he got very agitated and angry 179 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:27,336 when we asked him to limit his internet and phone usage. 180 00:10:27,378 --> 00:10:30,006 [ominous music] 181 00:10:30,048 --> 00:10:34,010 But then things started to get a little darker. 182 00:10:36,763 --> 00:10:38,681 My ex was sleeping. 183 00:10:38,723 --> 00:10:40,725 When I came back in, 184 00:10:40,767 --> 00:10:42,060 he was laying under the covers. 185 00:10:42,101 --> 00:10:45,396 It was--no lamps were on. 186 00:10:45,438 --> 00:10:47,690 That door was closed with the light on, 187 00:10:47,732 --> 00:10:51,152 and he was shivering. 188 00:10:51,194 --> 00:10:55,740 And he was saying that it felt like he was in an ice castle. 189 00:10:55,782 --> 00:11:01,537 And he asked me to lay with him. 190 00:11:01,579 --> 00:11:05,041 Uh, so I did. 191 00:11:05,083 --> 00:11:09,003 - I started having these downloads, 192 00:11:09,045 --> 00:11:10,463 and the first one happened, 193 00:11:10,505 --> 00:11:13,800 and I was laying next to my wife in bed. 194 00:11:13,841 --> 00:11:17,929 And... [sighs] 195 00:11:17,970 --> 00:11:22,225 All of a sudden, I--I... [sighs] 196 00:11:22,266 --> 00:11:24,769 I guess you'd call it a vision. 197 00:11:24,811 --> 00:11:26,187 But you--you were-- 198 00:11:26,229 --> 00:11:29,399 you're downloading information somehow. 199 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,111 Just kinda locked up, freezing cold, 200 00:11:33,152 --> 00:11:36,406 tears running down the face. 201 00:11:36,447 --> 00:11:39,033 - When somebody starts talking about having visions 202 00:11:39,075 --> 00:11:41,244 and a calling, and, you know, 203 00:11:41,285 --> 00:11:46,624 if someone's questioning reality in that way, 204 00:11:46,666 --> 00:11:49,752 is it--is it safe... 205 00:11:49,794 --> 00:11:52,588 for... 206 00:11:52,630 --> 00:11:55,842 children? 207 00:11:55,883 --> 00:12:00,263 He also told me that night that... 208 00:12:00,304 --> 00:12:05,727 [sighs] The man I fell in love with was gone... 209 00:12:05,768 --> 00:12:08,438 and that I needed 210 00:12:08,479 --> 00:12:11,774 to decide if I could love this new person. 211 00:12:11,816 --> 00:12:16,070 * * 212 00:12:16,112 --> 00:12:18,906 Two days later, I left. 213 00:12:20,366 --> 00:12:21,909 With the kids. 214 00:12:21,951 --> 00:12:29,083 * * 215 00:12:30,710 --> 00:12:33,171 Since I've left, 216 00:12:33,212 --> 00:12:39,135 now I see that the physical and emotional damage 217 00:12:39,177 --> 00:12:43,514 it was causing was significant 218 00:12:43,556 --> 00:12:47,018 and hard to repair. 219 00:12:47,060 --> 00:12:48,770 This is better for the children, 220 00:12:48,811 --> 00:12:52,607 to be separated from someone wrapped up in that world. 221 00:12:54,859 --> 00:12:57,320 I've had some conversations 222 00:12:57,361 --> 00:13:01,157 with other women in this situation online. 223 00:13:01,199 --> 00:13:03,993 And there is an element of self-doubt. 224 00:13:04,035 --> 00:13:05,995 You know, I experienced it too. 225 00:13:06,037 --> 00:13:09,332 Like, am I-- I'm overreacting, right? 226 00:13:09,373 --> 00:13:10,917 I mean, I'm overreacting to this. 227 00:13:10,958 --> 00:13:12,001 It's not that bad. 228 00:13:12,043 --> 00:13:13,586 I'm--I'm being extra. 229 00:13:16,381 --> 00:13:19,008 But as much as I didn't wanna hear about 230 00:13:19,050 --> 00:13:22,011 these things anymore, 231 00:13:22,053 --> 00:13:24,972 I need to know when that point comes 232 00:13:25,014 --> 00:13:27,475 that me and my kids may be in danger. 233 00:13:27,517 --> 00:13:29,852 - Authorities say 40-year-old surf instructor 234 00:13:29,894 --> 00:13:31,187 Matthew Taylor Coleman 235 00:13:31,229 --> 00:13:32,814 from Santa Barbara, California, 236 00:13:32,855 --> 00:13:35,274 confessed to murdering his two-year-old son 237 00:13:35,316 --> 00:13:38,152 and ten-month-old daughter this week in Mexico, 238 00:13:38,194 --> 00:13:40,530 telling the FBI he was driven to the killings 239 00:13:40,571 --> 00:13:43,116 after being "enlightened" by QAnon. 240 00:13:43,157 --> 00:13:44,617 - He allegedly told authorities 241 00:13:44,659 --> 00:13:46,828 that he believed that he was saving the world 242 00:13:46,869 --> 00:13:48,413 by preventing his two toddlers 243 00:13:48,454 --> 00:13:51,207 from changing into serpent monsters. 244 00:13:51,249 --> 00:13:54,377 - In Los Angeles, back-- just this last April, 245 00:13:54,419 --> 00:13:57,171 there was a woman who killed her three children, 246 00:13:57,213 --> 00:13:59,215 also claiming because she was inspired 247 00:13:59,257 --> 00:14:03,010 by QAnon to protect them from the global cabal. 248 00:14:03,970 --> 00:14:07,056 - The impacts of all of this have been different 249 00:14:07,098 --> 00:14:09,058 on each of our children. 250 00:14:09,100 --> 00:14:11,686 Now, my son sleeps with me every night 251 00:14:11,728 --> 00:14:16,649 and we had a significant issue with our daughter. 252 00:14:18,901 --> 00:14:21,696 Our daughter told me that he had her listen 253 00:14:21,738 --> 00:14:23,406 to frequency music, 254 00:14:23,448 --> 00:14:26,534 which she described as screeching noises, 255 00:14:26,576 --> 00:14:28,870 because he told her it would kill the parasites 256 00:14:28,911 --> 00:14:30,538 in her brain. 257 00:14:30,580 --> 00:14:33,458 [low droning] 258 00:14:37,503 --> 00:14:41,632 Two weeks after that, our daughter was admitted into... 259 00:14:41,674 --> 00:14:44,552 the hospital... 260 00:14:44,594 --> 00:14:46,179 behavioral unit. 261 00:14:48,723 --> 00:14:53,519 She was hospitalized for self-harm 262 00:14:53,561 --> 00:14:56,773 and attributes that to his continued attempts 263 00:14:56,814 --> 00:15:01,694 to indoctrinate her into this belief system. 264 00:15:01,736 --> 00:15:04,322 I asked him... 265 00:15:04,363 --> 00:15:10,870 what he would do if a vision led him 266 00:15:10,912 --> 00:15:17,960 to think he had to harm me and/or the kids to save us. 267 00:15:18,002 --> 00:15:20,797 What if it was framed in your mind 268 00:15:20,838 --> 00:15:23,299 that you were actually helping us 269 00:15:23,341 --> 00:15:25,635 by doing that, you know? 270 00:15:25,676 --> 00:15:29,263 "I--I would know that was wrong," he told me. 271 00:15:29,305 --> 00:15:32,058 But now, I don't know. 272 00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:35,311 And that's just as scary as saying "Yes," I think. 273 00:15:35,353 --> 00:15:38,523 Just that uncertainty. 274 00:15:43,361 --> 00:15:46,280 [soft music] 275 00:15:46,322 --> 00:15:48,366 * * 276 00:15:48,408 --> 00:15:51,494 - Today I'm gonna be talking to Rachel Bernstein, 277 00:15:51,536 --> 00:15:54,497 a psychotherapist who specializes 278 00:15:54,539 --> 00:15:57,291 in people who are trying to leave QAnon 279 00:15:57,333 --> 00:16:01,212 or their family members who want them to leave QAnon. 280 00:16:01,254 --> 00:16:02,672 - Hi. - Hi, Rachel. 281 00:16:02,714 --> 00:16:04,757 I'm Ellen. Oh, hello! - [laughs] 282 00:16:07,427 --> 00:16:09,804 - When did the conspiracy-thinking part 283 00:16:09,846 --> 00:16:11,639 of your job start cropping up 284 00:16:11,681 --> 00:16:14,225 and, like, how much of your client base is it now? 285 00:16:14,267 --> 00:16:16,853 - The conspiratorial thinking 286 00:16:16,894 --> 00:16:20,231 started to become more of my practice 287 00:16:20,273 --> 00:16:23,151 about six years ago. 288 00:16:23,192 --> 00:16:27,238 And I started getting a lot of calls from people saying, 289 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,241 you know, "My," whomever, fill in the blank, 290 00:16:30,283 --> 00:16:32,201 "Is not involved in a cult per se, 291 00:16:32,243 --> 00:16:33,911 'but it seems like they are. 292 00:16:33,953 --> 00:16:35,705 "They're on the phone all the time with these people," 293 00:16:35,747 --> 00:16:37,081 or "They're on the computer all the time," 294 00:16:37,123 --> 00:16:39,250 or "They are starting to speak differently," 295 00:16:39,292 --> 00:16:42,170 or "They're starting to put me down in certain ways 296 00:16:42,211 --> 00:16:43,796 "and they're starting to think things 297 00:16:43,838 --> 00:16:47,550 "that I thought would've seemed delusional in the past, 298 00:16:47,592 --> 00:16:49,302 "but now they seem factual to them, 299 00:16:49,343 --> 00:16:50,762 and I'm very concerned." 300 00:16:50,803 --> 00:16:56,976 So yeah, now it is about 50% of my clientele 301 00:16:57,018 --> 00:17:00,730 and I see, like, 35 or 40 people a week. 302 00:17:00,772 --> 00:17:02,648 - Wow. - It's a lot of people. 303 00:17:02,690 --> 00:17:05,401 And they're really difficult cases. 304 00:17:05,443 --> 00:17:06,903 - What have you seen? 305 00:17:06,944 --> 00:17:09,113 You know, what happens to people? 306 00:17:09,155 --> 00:17:13,284 - You get a sense right away that they're ready for battle. 307 00:17:13,326 --> 00:17:15,453 There's this aggressiveness. 308 00:17:15,495 --> 00:17:18,122 There's a need to prove you wrong. 309 00:17:18,164 --> 00:17:19,248 They're scared. 310 00:17:19,290 --> 00:17:21,667 They really have come to rely on this 311 00:17:21,709 --> 00:17:23,461 and they've dug their heels in. 312 00:17:23,503 --> 00:17:24,921 They feel like they need it. 313 00:17:24,962 --> 00:17:27,924 Again, because it answers the unanswerables. 314 00:17:27,965 --> 00:17:30,718 It's sort of their modern mythology, 315 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,512 and they don't want it taken away. 316 00:17:32,553 --> 00:17:33,763 - Yeah. 317 00:17:33,805 --> 00:17:36,099 - It becomes their new family. - Mm-hmm. 318 00:17:36,140 --> 00:17:38,935 - It becomes their way of relating to the world, 319 00:17:38,976 --> 00:17:41,020 the lens through which they see the world, 320 00:17:41,062 --> 00:17:43,272 the lens through which they see you. 321 00:17:43,314 --> 00:17:45,024 - Yeah. 322 00:17:45,066 --> 00:17:47,985 [soft music] 323 00:17:48,027 --> 00:17:53,074 * * 324 00:17:53,116 --> 00:17:54,450 [cat food pouring] 325 00:17:54,492 --> 00:17:56,953 - Yeah, buddy. 326 00:17:56,994 --> 00:17:59,288 My name is Robert Chapman. 327 00:17:59,330 --> 00:18:00,957 Meow, meow. 328 00:18:00,998 --> 00:18:04,836 I'm a, uh, certified union electrician. 329 00:18:07,046 --> 00:18:09,340 On the channel, on the channel. 330 00:18:09,382 --> 00:18:11,008 I live alone. 331 00:18:13,678 --> 00:18:15,638 I do a lot of reading 332 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,266 and I listen to a lot of podcasts. 333 00:18:18,307 --> 00:18:19,767 Oh, this is a good one. 334 00:18:19,809 --> 00:18:25,148 - There has always been a small controlling class 335 00:18:25,189 --> 00:18:29,402 because this controlling class has this knowledge 336 00:18:29,444 --> 00:18:31,654 of how the human psyche works. 337 00:18:31,696 --> 00:18:34,031 The true intentions and the true aims 338 00:18:34,073 --> 00:18:39,120 of the institution is control, covert control. 339 00:18:48,629 --> 00:18:51,549 You have a dark priest class, 340 00:18:51,591 --> 00:18:53,885 which has been running humanity 341 00:18:53,926 --> 00:18:58,598 pretty much since civilization or society 342 00:18:58,639 --> 00:19:01,184 has, uh, been instituted. 343 00:19:01,225 --> 00:19:04,020 - I mean, we are really being ruled by satanists. 344 00:19:04,062 --> 00:19:06,189 We are being ruled by dark occultists. 345 00:19:06,230 --> 00:19:08,191 That's what is really taking place. 346 00:19:08,232 --> 00:19:11,277 These people have, uh, had control of our planet, 347 00:19:11,319 --> 00:19:13,613 uh, since time immemorial. 348 00:19:13,654 --> 00:19:17,033 - We are living in an occultocracy. 349 00:19:17,075 --> 00:19:21,245 Not in a democracy, as many people believe. 350 00:19:21,287 --> 00:19:25,333 There's a very, very sinister element 351 00:19:25,374 --> 00:19:30,546 to the powers that control the world. 352 00:19:30,588 --> 00:19:32,757 They are highly intelligent. 353 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:36,135 They are superior in intelligence 354 00:19:36,177 --> 00:19:39,639 to just about everyone else around. 355 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,849 - These people understand every aspect 356 00:19:41,891 --> 00:19:43,893 of how the human mind works. 357 00:19:43,935 --> 00:19:46,354 They are ancient, powerful psychologists 358 00:19:46,396 --> 00:19:48,689 who have done their homework about the human mind 359 00:19:48,731 --> 00:19:51,901 and fully know how to control the mind. 360 00:19:51,943 --> 00:19:56,239 - It's the same bloodlines and certain institutions 361 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,074 even though they have morphed over several centuries 362 00:19:58,116 --> 00:20:00,576 or millennias for thousands of years. 363 00:20:00,618 --> 00:20:03,246 - Dark occultists have completely infiltrated 364 00:20:03,287 --> 00:20:06,165 and permeated all institutional walks of life 365 00:20:06,207 --> 00:20:07,667 on this planet. 366 00:20:07,708 --> 00:20:10,420 - And they're so clever that you're living 367 00:20:10,461 --> 00:20:13,005 in their system. 368 00:20:13,047 --> 00:20:16,259 They're not living in yours. 369 00:20:16,300 --> 00:20:17,468 You're living in theirs. 370 00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:20,263 You were born into bondage. 371 00:20:20,304 --> 00:20:25,393 - Even government is a--is a-- how would I say? 372 00:20:25,435 --> 00:20:28,938 It's a pro--it's an illusion of a diseased psyche. 373 00:20:28,980 --> 00:20:30,565 - Everything is false. 374 00:20:30,606 --> 00:20:31,941 Everything is magic. - Yep. 375 00:20:31,983 --> 00:20:33,609 - Everything is delusion. 376 00:20:33,651 --> 00:20:35,445 And if you don't think so, 377 00:20:35,486 --> 00:20:38,573 well, you're gonna be in for a rude awakening. 378 00:20:38,614 --> 00:20:42,201 - Unfortunately, most people are living under lies 379 00:20:42,243 --> 00:20:43,828 and obfuscation. 380 00:20:43,870 --> 00:20:45,288 They're believing that their perceptions, 381 00:20:45,329 --> 00:20:47,915 which are heavily influenced and dogmatized 382 00:20:47,957 --> 00:20:53,296 by the media or other certain think tanks, 383 00:20:53,337 --> 00:20:54,672 are actually truth, 384 00:20:54,714 --> 00:20:56,632 which, unfortunately, they are not. 385 00:20:56,674 --> 00:20:59,635 [somber music] 386 00:20:59,677 --> 00:21:05,767 * * 387 00:21:05,808 --> 00:21:09,687 Here we have a picture of my father and mother. 388 00:21:09,729 --> 00:21:10,688 Oh, guess who that is. 389 00:21:10,730 --> 00:21:12,982 That is actually me. 390 00:21:13,024 --> 00:21:14,734 Growing up, unfortunately, it was a lot like a lot 391 00:21:14,776 --> 00:21:16,778 of other contemporary American families: 392 00:21:16,819 --> 00:21:18,654 a shattered, broken household. 393 00:21:18,696 --> 00:21:25,828 * * 394 00:21:27,205 --> 00:21:28,748 Growing up in an abusive household, 395 00:21:28,790 --> 00:21:31,167 you don't feel like you're loved. 396 00:21:31,209 --> 00:21:33,711 You feel like you're being "abandoned." 397 00:21:35,171 --> 00:21:37,673 About 18, 19, I was addicted to drugs 398 00:21:37,715 --> 00:21:39,759 and addicted to alcohol. 399 00:21:39,801 --> 00:21:43,054 Those were very challenging times. 400 00:21:43,096 --> 00:21:44,972 And I was starting becoming my late-30s-- 401 00:21:45,014 --> 00:21:46,015 I guess probably around 40-- 402 00:21:46,057 --> 00:21:47,683 is that a midlife crisis? 403 00:21:47,725 --> 00:21:50,144 [laughs] That could be a, you know-- 404 00:21:50,186 --> 00:21:52,063 it's hard to put a finger on what it was, 405 00:21:52,105 --> 00:21:54,524 but I guess I felt a little adrift. 406 00:21:54,565 --> 00:21:55,608 I was all alone. 407 00:21:55,650 --> 00:21:56,609 Just with myself. 408 00:21:56,651 --> 00:21:58,778 Just with my thoughts. 409 00:22:03,991 --> 00:22:05,410 - I realized that a lot of things, 410 00:22:05,451 --> 00:22:08,121 what I held true and a lot of my belief systems 411 00:22:08,162 --> 00:22:11,374 were very, very false. 412 00:22:11,416 --> 00:22:15,211 One of my great friends lent me a few books. 413 00:22:15,253 --> 00:22:17,338 One of my favorites at the time 414 00:22:17,380 --> 00:22:19,757 was Jim Marrs' book "Rule by Secrecy." 415 00:22:19,799 --> 00:22:21,509 - His name was Jim Marrs. 416 00:22:21,551 --> 00:22:23,219 - And while you might not know his name, 417 00:22:23,261 --> 00:22:25,596 a lesion of his fans certainly do, 418 00:22:25,638 --> 00:22:28,558 fans who followed his questions about conspiracies 419 00:22:28,599 --> 00:22:30,560 from aliens to JFK. 420 00:22:30,601 --> 00:22:34,063 - Secret societies are pushing harder than ever 421 00:22:34,105 --> 00:22:38,901 at this very moment for, what they call "globalization," 422 00:22:38,943 --> 00:22:41,070 or what you may have heard it referred to 423 00:22:41,112 --> 00:22:43,656 as the "New World Order." 424 00:22:43,698 --> 00:22:46,784 - I was very intrigued as to what I was learning. 425 00:22:46,826 --> 00:22:48,077 And I've read another book: 426 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,121 "The Biggest Secret" by Mr. Icke. 427 00:22:50,163 --> 00:22:52,206 - I've been talking about a race 428 00:22:52,248 --> 00:22:56,586 of reptilian, um, humanoids 429 00:22:56,627 --> 00:22:59,297 that have been behind 430 00:22:59,338 --> 00:23:02,884 the manipulation of world events. 431 00:23:04,260 --> 00:23:07,180 - I saw things for the reality they were. 432 00:23:07,221 --> 00:23:11,601 What I thought was reality was not. 433 00:23:11,642 --> 00:23:14,937 And then I realized that politics is a farce. 434 00:23:14,979 --> 00:23:17,440 Um, it's a divide and conquer. 435 00:23:17,482 --> 00:23:20,902 Republocrat, Demopublican, there's really no difference. 436 00:23:20,943 --> 00:23:22,695 You have the rulers and the ruled, 437 00:23:22,737 --> 00:23:24,947 the masters and the slaves. 438 00:23:24,989 --> 00:23:26,949 You know, I'm saying that's why I have 439 00:23:26,991 --> 00:23:28,534 to consider myself like an anarchist, 440 00:23:28,576 --> 00:23:31,329 which basically means no masters, no slaves. 441 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,291 For instance, in January 6th, 442 00:23:35,333 --> 00:23:36,918 a lot people talk about the election. 443 00:23:36,959 --> 00:23:38,211 The election's stolen. 444 00:23:38,252 --> 00:23:39,420 The president of the United States 445 00:23:39,462 --> 00:23:40,463 is not elected. 446 00:23:40,505 --> 00:23:41,839 They are selected. 447 00:23:41,881 --> 00:23:43,758 rioters: Our house! Whose house? 448 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:44,801 Our house! 449 00:23:44,842 --> 00:23:47,303 Whose house? 450 00:23:48,388 --> 00:23:52,016 January 6th, I was simply there to take a few pictures, 451 00:23:52,058 --> 00:23:53,810 take some videos. 452 00:23:53,851 --> 00:23:56,187 See what's actually ongoing and what's transpiring. 453 00:24:09,784 --> 00:24:12,453 Any kind of protest, rally, demonstration, 454 00:24:12,495 --> 00:24:14,997 oftentimes I'm going there and not to be on one side 455 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:16,541 or the other, to view, to learn, 456 00:24:16,582 --> 00:24:20,670 to analyze, to talk to people, take pictures, take videos. 457 00:24:20,712 --> 00:24:24,841 - Nancy Pelosi's office is down that hall! 458 00:24:24,882 --> 00:24:26,759 Let's go! - [laughs] 459 00:24:26,801 --> 00:24:29,887 [rioters clamoring] 460 00:24:31,097 --> 00:24:32,807 - A New York man is now facing charges 461 00:24:32,849 --> 00:24:35,685 for taking part in the siege on the U.S. Capitol. 462 00:24:35,727 --> 00:24:38,521 The FBI arrested 50-year-old Robert Chapman yesterday 463 00:24:38,563 --> 00:24:40,022 in Putnam County. 464 00:24:40,064 --> 00:24:43,109 - The FBI got a tip from a surprise source... 465 00:24:43,151 --> 00:24:46,529 one of his matches on the dating app Bumble. 466 00:24:46,571 --> 00:24:48,948 - Chapman told a match on Bumble 467 00:24:48,990 --> 00:24:51,534 he stormed the Capitol in January. 468 00:24:51,576 --> 00:24:54,454 - The person who matched said, "We are not a match." 469 00:24:54,495 --> 00:24:56,289 - That person took a screenshot 470 00:24:56,330 --> 00:24:58,374 and contacted the FBI. [line trilling] 471 00:24:58,416 --> 00:25:00,043 - He's not charged with any violent crimes, 472 00:25:00,084 --> 00:25:02,378 just a few misdemeanors. 473 00:25:02,420 --> 00:25:04,130 - I have two charges of trespassing 474 00:25:04,172 --> 00:25:06,299 and two charges of disorderly conduct. 475 00:25:06,340 --> 00:25:09,052 Probably the worst that could happen 476 00:25:09,093 --> 00:25:10,219 is that the give me probation. 477 00:25:10,261 --> 00:25:11,554 The best would be if they were 478 00:25:11,596 --> 00:25:14,098 to actually drop the charges themselves. 479 00:25:16,768 --> 00:25:18,811 Man, isn't she adorable? 480 00:25:18,853 --> 00:25:21,105 Ah! 481 00:25:21,147 --> 00:25:24,108 Oh, here's when the baby's, uh, first born. 482 00:25:24,150 --> 00:25:25,902 I think I'm at the hospital here. 483 00:25:25,943 --> 00:25:28,905 [somber music] 484 00:25:28,946 --> 00:25:31,115 * * 485 00:25:31,157 --> 00:25:35,703 Roxelana Jade is a wonderful, super heroine of a girl. 486 00:25:35,745 --> 00:25:37,497 She's now three years old. 487 00:25:37,538 --> 00:25:40,458 Very talented and very powerful. 488 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:47,465 * * 489 00:25:48,049 --> 00:25:49,717 Aw. 490 00:25:49,759 --> 00:25:52,303 Aw, here's Roxelana, look, when she's still in the womb, right? 491 00:25:52,345 --> 00:25:54,097 And she was a punk rebel from the beginning. 492 00:25:54,138 --> 00:25:57,141 She's, like, fist pumping. 493 00:25:57,183 --> 00:25:58,142 Yeah, Roxy's room, 494 00:25:58,184 --> 00:25:59,685 I'm keeping it, uh-- 495 00:25:59,727 --> 00:26:01,145 getting it ready. [laughs] 496 00:26:02,730 --> 00:26:04,065 - Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, it's a work in progress right now. 497 00:26:04,107 --> 00:26:05,400 Yeah, yeah. Once again, 498 00:26:05,441 --> 00:26:07,360 I've been collecting lots of different-- 499 00:26:07,402 --> 00:26:09,195 all kinds of books. 500 00:26:09,237 --> 00:26:10,696 And we got all our toys, right? 501 00:26:10,738 --> 00:26:12,490 We got some books up. 502 00:26:12,532 --> 00:26:13,699 And here's a crib. 503 00:26:13,741 --> 00:26:16,285 Her favorite stuffed animals are waiting. 504 00:26:22,083 --> 00:26:23,126 - Correct. Yes, yes. 505 00:26:23,167 --> 00:26:25,586 Roxy--Roxelana was in here. 506 00:26:25,628 --> 00:26:31,759 You had FBI there, NYPD. 507 00:26:31,801 --> 00:26:35,012 Roxelana was here, sleeping in her crib, 508 00:26:35,054 --> 00:26:38,474 and they decided to bash through the door. 509 00:26:38,516 --> 00:26:41,060 And I was tackled, thrown to the ground, 510 00:26:41,102 --> 00:26:42,729 um, handcuffed. 511 00:26:42,770 --> 00:26:45,732 [tense music] 512 00:26:45,773 --> 00:26:52,697 * * 513 00:27:08,504 --> 00:27:10,840 This opened up a case against me 514 00:27:10,882 --> 00:27:13,342 from the--what's it-- the Child Protective Services. 515 00:27:13,384 --> 00:27:16,179 Once they came multiple times and took pictures, 516 00:27:16,220 --> 00:27:18,723 and interviewed me, and tested me, 517 00:27:18,765 --> 00:27:20,850 and came back and interviewed me again, 518 00:27:20,892 --> 00:27:21,893 and did reviews... 519 00:27:21,934 --> 00:27:24,896 [somber music] 520 00:27:24,937 --> 00:27:31,360 * * 521 00:27:31,402 --> 00:27:32,987 I miss her very much. 522 00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:35,114 I've been changing my reading. 523 00:27:35,156 --> 00:27:36,699 Instead of reading a lot more books 524 00:27:36,741 --> 00:27:41,245 about, I guess, uh, banking system and the occult, 525 00:27:41,287 --> 00:27:44,540 I'm reading more books about children. 526 00:27:44,582 --> 00:27:47,168 I've even taken parenting classes. 527 00:27:49,045 --> 00:27:50,713 I only have love and care for my daughter. 528 00:27:50,755 --> 00:27:54,842 And I--I would like to believe I'm a good provider and parent. 529 00:27:57,261 --> 00:28:00,098 I will continue to fight for what is right 530 00:28:00,139 --> 00:28:02,475 and fight for what is moral. 531 00:28:02,517 --> 00:28:05,603 And that is for me to spend as much time as I can 532 00:28:05,645 --> 00:28:09,482 with my daughter as I possibly can. 533 00:28:09,524 --> 00:28:12,318 And once again, I look forward to having her come home soon. 534 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:14,570 This is--has been her home for quite some time 535 00:28:14,612 --> 00:28:17,532 and I miss her and I know she misses me. 536 00:28:17,573 --> 00:28:20,326 And I'm working hard to, uh, reuniting 537 00:28:20,368 --> 00:28:24,664 and healing what little is left of my family. 538 00:28:24,705 --> 00:28:31,629 * * 539 00:28:38,177 --> 00:28:41,055 [low contemplative music] 540 00:28:41,097 --> 00:28:43,766 * * 541 00:28:43,808 --> 00:28:47,145 - I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about how 542 00:28:47,186 --> 00:28:50,815 conspiratorial thinking affects families, you know, 543 00:28:50,857 --> 00:28:53,860 parent-child relationships, sibling relationships. 544 00:28:53,901 --> 00:28:57,697 - Right, so unfortunately, with conspiratorial thinking, 545 00:28:57,739 --> 00:29:01,409 there are a lot of divorces, custody battles. 546 00:29:01,451 --> 00:29:05,830 It's also wreaked havoc on relationships. 547 00:29:05,872 --> 00:29:08,374 People suddenly feel like they're married to someone 548 00:29:08,416 --> 00:29:11,669 that they don't even recognize anymore. 549 00:29:11,711 --> 00:29:13,838 It's created a lot of problems 550 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,257 between parents and children also 551 00:29:16,299 --> 00:29:20,470 because, um, it's often the parents 552 00:29:20,511 --> 00:29:23,181 who are getting involved, and the children feel like 553 00:29:23,222 --> 00:29:25,641 they're losing their parents to it. 554 00:29:25,683 --> 00:29:29,896 That's often the phrase that's used within systems, 555 00:29:29,937 --> 00:29:31,022 that people don't say, 556 00:29:31,064 --> 00:29:33,316 "Oh, my loved one got involved in this." 557 00:29:33,357 --> 00:29:35,068 They say, "I lost. 558 00:29:35,109 --> 00:29:36,402 "I lost my mother to this. 559 00:29:36,444 --> 00:29:37,820 I lost my spouse." 560 00:29:37,862 --> 00:29:39,197 - Mm-hmm. 561 00:29:39,238 --> 00:29:42,200 [somber music] 562 00:29:42,241 --> 00:29:44,410 * * 563 00:29:44,452 --> 00:29:47,371 [audience cheering] 564 00:29:47,413 --> 00:29:49,624 * * 565 00:29:49,665 --> 00:29:52,251 - Our hearing's tomorrow. 566 00:29:52,293 --> 00:29:54,754 So we go at 9:00 a.m. 567 00:29:54,796 --> 00:30:00,009 to hear the issues of custody, 568 00:30:00,051 --> 00:30:03,596 um, child support, 569 00:30:03,638 --> 00:30:08,226 spousal support, and use of the home. 570 00:30:08,267 --> 00:30:14,023 My ex now has an opportunity to tell his side of the story. 571 00:30:14,065 --> 00:30:17,944 [sighs] I'm feeling very anxious. 572 00:30:17,985 --> 00:30:23,783 I think mostly just ready to get it over with, you know? 573 00:30:23,825 --> 00:30:27,745 * * 574 00:30:27,787 --> 00:30:31,666 My mom came in this afternoon to help me just prepare 575 00:30:31,707 --> 00:30:35,253 for tomorrow and to give me support, 576 00:30:35,294 --> 00:30:40,133 um, while in court and tonight too. 577 00:30:40,174 --> 00:30:43,720 * * 578 00:30:47,390 --> 00:30:51,394 - I know that it's not gonna be easy. 579 00:30:54,272 --> 00:30:56,816 - This is a big deal. 580 00:30:56,858 --> 00:30:59,610 You know, you actually-- you putting it on record. 581 00:30:59,652 --> 00:31:02,321 - I know. - So this is basically just 582 00:31:02,363 --> 00:31:05,158 like a establishing custody. 583 00:31:05,199 --> 00:31:06,617 - Yes. 584 00:31:06,659 --> 00:31:08,161 - What are you gonna say? 585 00:31:08,202 --> 00:31:10,663 I mean-- - Well... 586 00:31:10,705 --> 00:31:16,252 I'm gonna say how this affected our--our child. 587 00:31:16,294 --> 00:31:18,421 You know, the constant attempt 588 00:31:18,463 --> 00:31:22,633 to convince her of these things. 589 00:31:22,675 --> 00:31:26,512 - The--the screeching sound 590 00:31:26,554 --> 00:31:30,141 and the exorcism of what? 591 00:31:30,183 --> 00:31:32,769 - Parasites in her brain. - Parasites in her brain. 592 00:31:32,810 --> 00:31:34,187 - Yeah. 593 00:31:34,228 --> 00:31:37,523 And I might've missed it 594 00:31:37,565 --> 00:31:40,693 until I sat down and actually did that timeline 595 00:31:40,735 --> 00:31:43,321 and noticed, you know, 596 00:31:43,362 --> 00:31:44,906 he'd have a conversation with her, 597 00:31:44,947 --> 00:31:47,950 and 12 days later, she'd be expelled from school 598 00:31:47,992 --> 00:31:50,870 or, you know, he'd have a conversation with her, 599 00:31:50,912 --> 00:31:52,663 and less than two weeks later, 600 00:31:52,705 --> 00:31:54,373 she's in the hospital, you know? 601 00:31:54,415 --> 00:31:55,625 - Right. - You can't, you know, 602 00:31:55,666 --> 00:31:58,836 you can't look at that and those specific dates 603 00:31:58,878 --> 00:32:03,049 and not see some correlation. 604 00:32:03,091 --> 00:32:06,677 So, you know, 605 00:32:06,719 --> 00:32:13,184 I'm gonna stick to the effects on the kids. 606 00:32:13,226 --> 00:32:17,188 - Let them know that you... 607 00:32:17,230 --> 00:32:19,190 you're the mama bear. 608 00:32:19,232 --> 00:32:21,442 That nothing's gonna happen to them because-- 609 00:32:27,949 --> 00:32:33,079 I don't know what to expect from him at all. 610 00:32:34,872 --> 00:32:37,959 I do feel like he's chosen Q over his family. 611 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,088 * * 612 00:32:42,130 --> 00:32:46,634 - I love you. - I love you, Mama. So much. 613 00:32:50,138 --> 00:32:52,265 [dog barking] 614 00:32:52,306 --> 00:32:55,268 [soft music] 615 00:32:55,309 --> 00:33:02,191 * * 616 00:33:02,233 --> 00:33:04,861 - I'm very excited and enthused right now. 617 00:33:04,902 --> 00:33:06,529 We're gonna get to go see Roxelana, 618 00:33:06,571 --> 00:33:07,864 our little princess. 619 00:33:07,905 --> 00:33:11,242 [indistinct TV chatter] 620 00:33:11,284 --> 00:33:13,578 - One of the greatest blessings I have is I am able 621 00:33:13,619 --> 00:33:16,748 to see Roxelana every other weekend. 622 00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:20,710 I get to see her on-- usually on Sundays, 623 00:33:20,752 --> 00:33:23,963 and, um, it's normally for about 90 minutes. 624 00:33:24,005 --> 00:33:26,007 So I am able to spend, 625 00:33:26,049 --> 00:33:29,385 at best, three hours with my daughter per month. 626 00:33:29,427 --> 00:33:32,388 Um, that's actually very terrible. 627 00:33:32,430 --> 00:33:35,391 [somber music] 628 00:33:35,433 --> 00:33:42,315 * * 629 00:33:54,494 --> 00:33:55,828 It was just wonderful. 630 00:33:55,870 --> 00:33:58,414 I got to see Roxelana and play with her. 631 00:33:58,456 --> 00:34:00,833 She said she wanted to go outside, so we went outside. 632 00:34:00,875 --> 00:34:03,753 We did slide and played in the clubhouse, 633 00:34:03,795 --> 00:34:05,630 which she has dubbed the "funhouse." 634 00:34:05,671 --> 00:34:07,173 So she had a great time 635 00:34:07,215 --> 00:34:09,384 and, uh, she said she misses me, 636 00:34:09,425 --> 00:34:12,512 and I do miss her very much, tremendously already. 637 00:34:12,553 --> 00:34:16,641 And I hope to see her soon. 638 00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:27,944 - No. Oh, absolutely not. 639 00:34:27,985 --> 00:34:30,029 I did learn a lot, and meet a lot of good people, 640 00:34:30,071 --> 00:34:32,949 and see a lot of interesting things down there. 641 00:34:32,990 --> 00:34:34,992 I wouldn't regret a single thing. 642 00:34:42,291 --> 00:34:43,251 - Um, not really. 643 00:34:43,292 --> 00:34:45,753 Honestly, there's people in jail 644 00:34:45,795 --> 00:34:48,089 who see their children more often than I do. 645 00:34:48,131 --> 00:34:49,966 I--one of my friends went to jail, 646 00:34:50,007 --> 00:34:52,218 and I used to take his son to go visit him. 647 00:34:52,260 --> 00:34:54,429 He would get an hour during the week 648 00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:56,180 and an hour on the weekend. 649 00:34:56,222 --> 00:34:58,141 So I know lots of people that are incarcerated 650 00:34:58,182 --> 00:35:01,519 that get to see their child even more often than I do. 651 00:35:01,561 --> 00:35:06,941 Um, I'm still praying, dreaming, wishing, and focusing 652 00:35:06,983 --> 00:35:11,028 on, uh, alleviating the pain 653 00:35:11,070 --> 00:35:14,490 of a fractured, abandoned family. 654 00:35:14,532 --> 00:35:21,706 * * 655 00:35:44,312 --> 00:35:45,480 - Correct. 656 00:36:33,277 --> 00:36:34,320 - Kay. 657 00:36:37,448 --> 00:36:39,575 - 90 minutes per visit. 658 00:36:39,617 --> 00:36:40,827 - Okay. 659 00:37:01,139 --> 00:37:03,474 - Thank you. - Thank you, Judge. 660 00:37:21,659 --> 00:37:23,536 - Disgusted. 661 00:37:23,578 --> 00:37:25,121 Once again, this is just fuckin' slavery. 662 00:37:25,163 --> 00:37:26,289 You're saying this fuckin' person, 663 00:37:26,330 --> 00:37:27,874 who I don't even fuckin' know, 664 00:37:27,915 --> 00:37:31,169 is a gonna resolve my personal family issue? 665 00:37:31,210 --> 00:37:32,879 Who the fuck are they? 666 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,381 Who the fuck gave them this fucking right? 667 00:37:35,423 --> 00:37:36,507 You know... [stuttering] 668 00:37:36,549 --> 00:37:38,968 what--a--what a poisoned fucking mindset 669 00:37:39,010 --> 00:37:41,471 to think that certain people 670 00:37:41,512 --> 00:37:43,973 have, once again, the diseased fucking illusion 671 00:37:44,015 --> 00:37:46,851 of "authority" over other fuckin' people. 672 00:37:46,893 --> 00:37:49,228 Why, because you have a fucking piece of paper on the wall? 673 00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:51,064 'Cause you're dressed up in a fucking costume? 674 00:37:51,105 --> 00:37:52,774 Once again, it's an illusion, 675 00:37:52,815 --> 00:37:55,610 but that most people fuckin' believe. 676 00:37:55,651 --> 00:38:00,198 Honestly, this person seems so incompetent and uncaring, 677 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,492 I'm... 678 00:38:02,533 --> 00:38:04,243 concerned 679 00:38:04,285 --> 00:38:07,622 that perhaps she will elect-- 680 00:38:07,663 --> 00:38:10,583 she will choose not to find the resolution 681 00:38:10,625 --> 00:38:14,587 and will instead elect that this go to trial, 682 00:38:14,629 --> 00:38:16,756 this go to court, in which case this will take-- 683 00:38:16,798 --> 00:38:20,635 I've talked to other people--two to three years. 684 00:38:20,676 --> 00:38:24,180 Imagine another 2 1/2 years of trial. 685 00:38:24,222 --> 00:38:26,224 Anytime after one of these ordeals, 686 00:38:26,265 --> 00:38:27,141 doesn't matter whether it's 20 minutes 687 00:38:27,183 --> 00:38:28,351 or 2 1/2 hours, 688 00:38:28,393 --> 00:38:29,602 I can't sit home. 689 00:38:29,644 --> 00:38:31,187 I get the fuck out, you know what I'm saying? 690 00:38:31,229 --> 00:38:35,274 It's just too, uh, disconcerting. 691 00:38:37,151 --> 00:38:39,862 You know, I don't wanna fuckin' stay here. 692 00:38:39,904 --> 00:38:42,240 * * 693 00:38:46,577 --> 00:38:49,497 [somber music] 694 00:38:49,539 --> 00:38:56,087 * * 695 00:38:56,129 --> 00:38:57,755 - Today I'm feeling pretty nervous. 696 00:38:57,797 --> 00:39:02,343 I don't really know what to expect. 697 00:39:02,385 --> 00:39:07,348 I'm going to do my best to relate to the judge 698 00:39:07,390 --> 00:39:12,270 this sense of danger I feel. 699 00:39:12,311 --> 00:39:16,733 This sense of uncertainty I feel 700 00:39:16,774 --> 00:39:21,154 about what he's capable of doing next. 701 00:39:23,906 --> 00:39:29,078 He was easygoing, very much grounded in reality. 702 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,249 I would've never thought in a million years 703 00:39:33,291 --> 00:39:36,502 that he would've hurt anyone. 704 00:39:36,544 --> 00:39:38,588 Until now. 705 00:39:40,798 --> 00:39:42,592 He's so committed 706 00:39:42,633 --> 00:39:45,762 to this false sense of reality, 707 00:39:45,803 --> 00:39:48,139 the conspiracies, 708 00:39:48,181 --> 00:39:53,227 that I could see him harming the children. 709 00:39:55,313 --> 00:39:57,732 I want custody, 710 00:39:57,774 --> 00:40:01,235 and as it stands now, 711 00:40:01,277 --> 00:40:04,572 he has as much custody of my children as I do. 712 00:40:04,614 --> 00:40:09,494 * * 713 00:40:09,535 --> 00:40:12,371 I'm really unsure and nervous 714 00:40:12,413 --> 00:40:13,956 on whether or not the judge will see this 715 00:40:13,998 --> 00:40:15,708 as an actual problem 716 00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:19,337 because I don't think that anyone 717 00:40:19,379 --> 00:40:23,257 can fully understand the difference 718 00:40:23,299 --> 00:40:26,761 until they live it. 719 00:40:26,803 --> 00:40:28,930 Lemme go check and see. 720 00:40:28,971 --> 00:40:34,310 He doesn't know who my ex was before this. 721 00:40:34,352 --> 00:40:37,146 One of the scariest things 722 00:40:37,188 --> 00:40:40,066 is that this is a whole different person. 723 00:40:40,108 --> 00:40:41,901 This is a stranger. 724 00:40:41,943 --> 00:40:43,528 - Oh. 725 00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:48,783 - I don't know what he'd do. 726 00:40:48,825 --> 00:40:50,618 Okay. 727 00:41:03,548 --> 00:41:04,757 - I know. 728 00:41:07,802 --> 00:41:09,303 - Well-- 729 00:41:23,818 --> 00:41:25,153 - Yes. 730 00:41:41,002 --> 00:41:47,884 * * 731 00:42:03,441 --> 00:42:06,319 [melancholic guitar music] 732 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,862 - So we all agree... - Mm-hmm. 733 00:42:07,904 --> 00:42:10,239 - That some level of conspiracy thinking, 734 00:42:10,281 --> 00:42:11,282 or at least the thing 735 00:42:11,324 --> 00:42:12,742 that underpins conspiracy thinking, 736 00:42:12,784 --> 00:42:14,702 is, like, curiosity, right? 737 00:42:14,744 --> 00:42:17,038 - Mm-hmm. - About systems, 738 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,415 and wanting to understand how the world works, 739 00:42:19,457 --> 00:42:22,919 and wanting to understand why bad things happen. 740 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,546 - Sometimes, the people who get very involved 741 00:42:25,588 --> 00:42:27,507 in conspiratorial thinking 742 00:42:27,548 --> 00:42:30,718 have more anxiety than other people. 743 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,845 People also get very connected to it 744 00:42:32,887 --> 00:42:34,597 because they were feeling isolated. 745 00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:36,599 - Mm-hmm. - And this is their way 746 00:42:36,641 --> 00:42:38,309 of connecting with people. 747 00:42:38,351 --> 00:42:40,144 And so are you gonna relegate them back 748 00:42:40,186 --> 00:42:43,856 to being isolated in the world by taking it away? 749 00:42:43,898 --> 00:42:46,567 There's also something very intimate 750 00:42:46,609 --> 00:42:49,654 about having a community who you can visit with 751 00:42:49,695 --> 00:42:51,989 in the middle of the night, in your bedroom. 752 00:42:52,031 --> 00:42:53,282 - Right. Right. - You actually don't even 753 00:42:53,324 --> 00:42:54,534 ever have to leave your house. 754 00:42:54,575 --> 00:42:55,660 They're just there. 755 00:42:55,701 --> 00:42:58,287 And there will be hundreds, 756 00:42:58,329 --> 00:42:59,747 unfortunately, hundreds of thousands 757 00:42:59,789 --> 00:43:02,291 of people as soon as you start typing 758 00:43:02,333 --> 00:43:04,752 or as soon as you start going onto different sites. 759 00:43:04,794 --> 00:43:06,379 They're there. They're always there. 760 00:43:06,421 --> 00:43:09,966 And you feel like they're there with you and they're for you. 761 00:43:10,007 --> 00:43:12,969 [soft music] 762 00:43:13,010 --> 00:43:15,054 * * 763 00:43:15,096 --> 00:43:18,558 - Psychologists like Rachel say when we are confronted 764 00:43:18,599 --> 00:43:21,018 with someone who believes in conspiracy thinking, 765 00:43:21,060 --> 00:43:23,938 the best thing you can do is to just ask questions 766 00:43:23,980 --> 00:43:26,566 and try to understand what is drawing them to that, 767 00:43:26,607 --> 00:43:30,361 and why they're searching for that kind of meaning 768 00:43:30,403 --> 00:43:32,155 and control and truth, 769 00:43:32,196 --> 00:43:37,577 and to sort of start to work on the underlying causes, 770 00:43:37,618 --> 00:43:40,496 you know, anxiety, depression. 771 00:43:40,538 --> 00:43:44,125 But I also think that we are in a moment 772 00:43:44,167 --> 00:43:47,086 where conspiracy thinking, like, has a body count 773 00:43:47,128 --> 00:43:52,008 and has really ruined a lot of people's lives. 774 00:43:52,050 --> 00:43:55,011 Listening isn't gonna solve that problem, 775 00:43:55,053 --> 00:43:57,513 and the thing that I am currently 776 00:43:57,555 --> 00:43:59,515 kind of struggling with, is, like, 777 00:43:59,557 --> 00:44:03,227 how much of the solution here is empathy 778 00:44:03,269 --> 00:44:04,687 and kindness and curiosity, 779 00:44:04,729 --> 00:44:06,230 and how much of the solution here 780 00:44:06,272 --> 00:44:10,777 is thinking through what consequences should be 781 00:44:10,818 --> 00:44:13,196 for taking advantage of people? 782 00:44:13,237 --> 00:44:16,449 Taking advantage of people's pain basically. 783 00:44:16,491 --> 00:44:23,164 * * 784 00:44:24,165 --> 00:44:29,462 - [indistinct] 785 00:44:29,504 --> 00:44:31,589 It's called pandering! 786 00:44:31,631 --> 00:44:33,383 [cheers and applause] 787 00:44:33,424 --> 00:44:37,387 [indistinct] an example. 788 00:44:37,428 --> 00:44:39,722 And I think that we need a new system 789 00:44:39,764 --> 00:44:42,600 because the system that was implemented 790 00:44:42,642 --> 00:44:46,062 was put up against us from the very beginning! 791 00:44:46,104 --> 00:44:48,981 This is a global coup, all right? 792 00:44:49,023 --> 00:44:51,734 You are a prop to this New World Order 793 00:44:51,776 --> 00:44:53,277 that they're trying to establish. 794 00:44:53,319 --> 00:44:54,570 [cheering] - Yes! 795 00:44:54,612 --> 00:44:56,239 - It's not a conspiracy theory. 796 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:57,573 It's a conspiracy 797 00:44:57,615 --> 00:45:00,034 the world leaders have been planning 798 00:45:00,076 --> 00:45:02,745 since the very beginning of this country! 799 00:45:02,787 --> 00:45:05,832 Some of you came from narcissistic families. 800 00:45:05,873 --> 00:45:08,376 - Oh, my God. [laughs] - Dysfunctional homes. 801 00:45:08,418 --> 00:45:10,044 This is exactly what's happening. 802 00:45:10,086 --> 00:45:13,047 And I advise all of you that are here today, 803 00:45:13,089 --> 00:45:16,384 look into the relationship of a narcissistic family 804 00:45:16,426 --> 00:45:19,011 because it is about power and control. 805 00:45:19,053 --> 00:45:21,055 This is how they're able to divide and conquer 806 00:45:21,097 --> 00:45:24,308 because narcissists divide and conquer. 807 00:45:24,350 --> 00:45:26,185 They lied to you! 808 00:45:26,227 --> 00:45:28,271 It's a fear machine! 809 00:45:28,312 --> 00:45:32,316 Every crisis after every crisis that we ever had, 9/11... 810 00:45:32,358 --> 00:45:33,609 - Yup. - Et cetera. 811 00:45:33,651 --> 00:45:35,820 It always comes in with some new law. 812 00:45:35,862 --> 00:45:38,823 But the new law that's put in takes away our freedom 813 00:45:38,865 --> 00:45:40,742 and give them more power! 814 00:45:40,783 --> 00:45:42,285 [cheers and applause] 815 00:45:42,326 --> 00:45:45,371 - Yeah! 816 00:45:45,413 --> 00:45:47,123 Oh, I love this chick. 817 00:45:47,165 --> 00:45:54,088 * * 818 00:45:57,341 --> 00:45:59,093 [groans] 819 00:46:01,429 --> 00:46:04,223 - To listen to your messages, press one. 820 00:46:04,265 --> 00:46:06,017 New message. 821 00:46:16,986 --> 00:46:18,780 - [laughs] - Bye. 822 00:46:18,821 --> 00:46:22,700 - Oh, it was wonderful to hear my daughter. 823 00:46:22,742 --> 00:46:26,454 When I hear her, I can envision her, her face 824 00:46:26,496 --> 00:46:27,872 and her smile. 825 00:46:27,914 --> 00:46:31,167 [sighs] 826 00:46:31,209 --> 00:46:34,670 I'm hoping, praying, dreaming, wishing-- 827 00:46:34,712 --> 00:46:37,799 and I'll have to maybe conduct ritual 828 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,720 in order to, um... 829 00:46:42,762 --> 00:46:48,017 I guess, spark a positive-- a positive, uh, 830 00:46:48,059 --> 00:46:53,314 movement as far as what very, very little 831 00:46:53,356 --> 00:46:57,819 I have left of what we would call a family. 832 00:46:57,860 --> 00:47:00,905 I'd like to believe that... 833 00:47:00,947 --> 00:47:05,576 there are--there are someone or some group of people, 834 00:47:05,618 --> 00:47:07,036 on, you know, on some place 835 00:47:07,078 --> 00:47:11,999 that really does sincerely and authentic, uh, you know, 836 00:47:12,041 --> 00:47:15,378 maybe perhaps love and care about me as well. 837 00:47:15,420 --> 00:47:19,173 * * 838 00:47:19,215 --> 00:47:22,218 And when Roxelana is reintroduced 839 00:47:22,260 --> 00:47:27,890 in a much more, um, permanent fashion in my life, 840 00:47:27,932 --> 00:47:30,935 then I will definitely have a family. 841 00:47:30,977 --> 00:47:32,770 Mm. 842 00:47:32,812 --> 00:47:39,944 * * 843 00:49:27,969 --> 00:49:29,762 - Today in court, 844 00:49:29,804 --> 00:49:34,684 the judge ordered an interim custody order 845 00:49:34,726 --> 00:49:37,019 awarding joint custody 846 00:49:37,061 --> 00:49:40,314 with me as the domiciliary parent. 847 00:49:40,356 --> 00:49:46,154 Um, my son is required to go every other weekend 848 00:49:46,195 --> 00:49:51,159 from Friday to Sunday with my ex. 849 00:49:57,623 --> 00:49:59,208 - No. 850 00:49:59,250 --> 00:50:02,628 The judge knew very little about QAnon, 851 00:50:02,670 --> 00:50:05,381 and he sort of felt like it was a "He said, she said." 852 00:50:05,423 --> 00:50:10,386 There wasn't enough facts for him to base that on. 853 00:50:10,428 --> 00:50:14,348 However, my ex didn't deny that he received downloads 854 00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:17,477 to his brain from a dead person. 855 00:50:17,518 --> 00:50:21,773 Um, he in fact admitted it. 856 00:50:21,814 --> 00:50:28,404 And I guess that alone is not enough 857 00:50:28,446 --> 00:50:31,783 to recognize that maybe he's not fit 858 00:50:31,824 --> 00:50:35,912 to parent right now. 859 00:50:35,953 --> 00:50:39,791 So the idea of my son, 860 00:50:39,832 --> 00:50:42,585 who's seven and very impressionable, 861 00:50:42,627 --> 00:50:48,758 being with him alone every other weekend... 862 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,426 is stressful. 863 00:50:50,468 --> 00:50:54,806 * * 864 00:50:54,847 --> 00:50:57,433 I'm afraid that even though he's under an order 865 00:50:57,475 --> 00:51:02,105 not to speak to the kids about these things, he will. 866 00:51:02,146 --> 00:51:07,110 It's gonna take extra diligence on my part 867 00:51:07,151 --> 00:51:11,697 to make sure that my son is not being swayed 868 00:51:11,739 --> 00:51:14,617 into an alternate reality. 869 00:51:14,659 --> 00:51:19,872 I'm also still concerned about his physical safety. 870 00:51:19,914 --> 00:51:22,959 My ex's behavior has changed so drastically 871 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,504 from just a year ago that, you know, 872 00:51:26,546 --> 00:51:28,923 my fear still stands that at any moment, 873 00:51:28,965 --> 00:51:33,678 I think that it could go even further and... 874 00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:36,931 there may even be physical harm that comes to us. 875 00:51:36,973 --> 00:51:43,521 * * 876 00:51:43,563 --> 00:51:48,484 Q and everything surrounding it completely ruined my family. 877 00:51:51,863 --> 00:51:55,324 It killed the man I know. 878 00:51:55,366 --> 00:52:02,165 * * 879 00:52:02,206 --> 00:52:05,334 [dark tense music] 880 00:52:05,376 --> 00:52:12,300 * * 881 00:52:30,193 --> 00:52:31,903 - Why--why do I need to listen to you? 882 00:52:36,449 --> 00:52:38,701 - What I'm being told now is that I could go to prison 883 00:52:38,743 --> 00:52:40,036 for 30 years. 884 00:52:44,874 --> 00:52:47,543 - If it takes me strapping my AR-15 885 00:52:47,585 --> 00:52:50,755 and my battle vest on with all my ammunition 886 00:52:50,797 --> 00:52:53,049 to fight for you and give my life, 887 00:52:53,091 --> 00:52:54,884 I will do so. 888 00:52:54,926 --> 00:52:56,469 They wanna maintain their wealth. 889 00:52:56,511 --> 00:52:57,970 They wanna maintain their riches. 890 00:52:58,012 --> 00:52:59,597 They wanna maintain their power. 891 00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:02,725 It's never easy to watch something you love be destroyed 892 00:53:02,767 --> 00:53:03,768 and know that there's very little 893 00:53:03,810 --> 00:53:04,894 that you can do about it. 894 00:53:04,936 --> 00:53:06,354 - I think this is now, like, 895 00:53:06,396 --> 00:53:09,399 a condition of the world that we live in 896 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,484 that conspiracy theories are rampant. 897 00:53:11,526 --> 00:53:13,069 One of the major dangers 898 00:53:13,111 --> 00:53:15,405 is the silence of people who know better. 899 00:53:15,446 --> 00:53:16,572 - Absolutely. 900 00:53:16,614 --> 00:53:19,242 Nothing is more dangerous to a democracy. 901 00:53:19,283 --> 00:53:21,953 Nothing than conspiracy thinking.