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[singing]
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[man] The thing inside of me,
it's like...
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The appetite,
it's like a wolf that's...
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feeling the hunger.
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[Sahni] Sheila LaBarre
is a 47-year-old widow,
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and she's inherited
this farm property
and this farmhouse
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from her
late husband's estate,
Dr. LaBarre.
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What the community does know
about Sheila LaBarre
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is that
since she became a widow,
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she has this revolving door
of young males
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that come up to the property
either to do work,
or for companionship.
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LaBarre has set her sights
on Kenneth Countie,
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who's only 24 at this time.
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And is somebody
who's functioning,
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perhaps like
a younger individual,
according to his mom
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given his history
of learning difficulties,
et cetera.
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It is alarming.
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She's manipulative.
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She's every boy
mom's nightmare.
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So the police have gone
to check on Kenny
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and they find him
at LaBarre's property,
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and he's seemingly fine
and he's an adult,
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so there's really
nothing to do about this.
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And they leave,
but LaBarre
is enraged by this.
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And so she contacts police
and is threatening
toward them.
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She's so grandiose
and narcissistic
in her comments, you know.
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"Don't I pay your salary?"
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Basically, "You have a job
because of me."
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It's just really
a lack of respect
for law enforcement
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and a sense of entitlement
that's really shocking.
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Interestingly,
she initiates a phone call
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to the Epping
Police Department,
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lets them know
about this recording she has,
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where she self-appointed
law-enforcement,
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has begun to interrogate
Kenneth Countie,
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and he has admitted,
supposedly, on this audio tape
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to crimes
that his mother has committed,
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as well as crimes
he's committed.
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It should be noted
and clearly stated
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that they have
absolutely no information
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or credible data
to support that
there's any truth
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to the claims
that LaBarre is making
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about Kenny Countie
or his mother.
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[Tussey]
It's possible she's laying
the groundwork
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that if it gets exposed,
that she was the one
that killed Kenneth,
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that somehow that will
be forgiven or justified
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because, you know,
he looked like a pedophile.
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"So I would be doing
everybody a favor
if I ended up killing him."
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[male reporter] When officers
arrived at LaBarre's,
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they went past the gate
blocking the public road
leading up to her house.
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They walked past
two burn piles
in the front yard.
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In one of them,
they saw bones sticking out.
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No one answered the door,
so they kicked it in.
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But before
they could get inside,
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LaBarre appeared,
eventually kicking them out.
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[Sahni]
Once the police explain to her
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that they're concerned
about Kenny's whereabouts
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and they're
just trying to locate him,
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what we see is a woman
who is emotionally up
and down,
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she doesn't know what to think
about Kenny's disappearance,
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but when they ask her directly
where he is,
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she says he's in that bag
as if it's a matter
of fact thing.
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She talks about
how she was cremating
a rabbit.
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She has lots of rabbits
and animals on the property,
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and when they
pass away naturally,
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that's how
she disposes of them.
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It seems reasonable
that not only does she know
where Kenny is,
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but that Kenny
is not alive anymore.
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Most humans
cannot fit in a retail bag.
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And so he's not only dead,
but he may not even be
in one piece.
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[Sahni]
LaBarre is starting to play
this cat and mouse game
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with the police,
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and that kind
of zigzag approach
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to how somebody
answers questions,
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that doesn't make
a whole lot of sense,
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they're talking
out of both sides
of their mouth,
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it's something we commonly see
in psychopathic individuals.
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[Rosenberg]
When they speak to her,
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LaBarre becomes
hysterical and very defiant.
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And to me, this says,
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she's lost control
of the situation,
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and she's now going to try
to use theatrical displays
of emotion
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to kind of
diffuse responsibility
and control the conversation
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because it's hard to continue
with the line of questioning.
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[male reporter]
The lane leading to this
Epping, New Hampshire, farm
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has been blocked off
with police tapes
since Saturday.
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The grounds turned
into something that resembles
a crime scene,
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all part of a massive effort
to find 24-year-old
Kenneth Countie.
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But New Hampshire authorities
refuse to say
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whether they believe a crime
has been committed here,
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despite the signs
around the property
owned by Sheila LaBarre.
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While detectives may be
quite sure at this point
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that Sheila LaBarre
has likely killed him,
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and they likely have
his human remains in this bag
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that was found
on her property,
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it's not helpful to them
unless they can get
a confession from her.
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[Rosenberg]
She immediately
changes his name
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and kind of subsumes
his identity
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and exerts full control
over his movement.
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Almost like
when you get a pet,
you name it.
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One thing that that keeps
coming back to me
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is that the rabbit trapped
in a cage on the floor,
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in her complete control,
is almost reminiscent
of the MO of her crime
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'cause she's trapping men
in her property
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and then taking full control
and ownership of them.
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At one point, she takes
the rabbit out of the cage
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and she has the rabbit
on her lap.
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And she's petting him,
and kind of treating him
tenderly.
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And it's chilling,
because she's
already mentioned
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that she's regularly
incinerating rabbits.
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The rabbit in the room,
this is almost as a metaphor
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for how she treats the men.
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This is very consistent
with what we would see
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with a psychopathic individual
who is often proud
of their behavior
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and want people
to take notice.
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All these behaviors
are consistent
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with a lack of regard
for human life
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and an absence
of empathy towards others.
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[LaBarre crying]
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[Sahni] What we
sometimes see more often
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in female
psychopathic individuals
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is this willingness
to turn on the waterworks,
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just start crying,
It comes out of nowhere,
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and as spontaneously
as it happens,
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and as dramatic as it is,
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it spontaneously dries up
just as much as a drought.
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At first she's mentioning
again pedophilia,
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but it doesn't seem like
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the investigators
are biting, really.
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They don't seem to be
that intrigued by that,
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so LaBarre
just keeps piling it on.
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Okay, he is
going to rob her also.
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And, "Oh, and by the way,
he also does heroin."
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It's like everything
she can do to create
this impression of him.
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She's really trying to paint
two pictures, I think,
at once,
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and that is of him
being a bad person,
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and her being superior to him.
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It's consistent
with a psychopath.
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She's lying
and misrepresenting
and being very deceitful
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in the delivery
of information,
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to paint the picture that,
"Oh, this person deserved it."
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Or to shift blame
off of herself onto him
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and almost
to paint the picture
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that maybe she's even a hero.
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That she was able
to stop an individual
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from doing future crimes
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or engaging
in kind of improper behaviors.
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What we start to see
with LaBarre
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is this overfocus
or preoccupation
with sex, with sexuality.
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And an interesting interaction
between that and violence.
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And when we start
to think about how
those thoughts bleed together,
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the urges to be violent,
and when she's talking
about sexual topics,
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you have to wonder if there is
a presence of sexual sadism
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or sadistic tendencies
within this person.
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[all laughing]
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I have my card,
there's only one...
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Kenneth and Sheila
were seen at Walmart.
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And what witnesses describe
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is that Kenneth Countie
looked green, he looked sick,
frail.
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He was being pushed
in a wheelchair by LaBarre,
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and he looked
bruised and battered.
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She just laughed it off
and minimized it and said,
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"Oh, we were
just playing around
with the wheelchair for fun."
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She becomes very glib
about the whole thing,
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and what we don't ever see
is any real emotion.
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It paints the picture
of some sadistic tendencies
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on LaBarre.
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It makes you wonder, you know.
Was she torturing him?
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What exactly
was she doing to him?
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And then to parade him around
at a Walmart or anywhere,
it's pretty brazen.
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You know, you know
you're going out in public,
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and you know
there's surveillance video,
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but there is also this sense
that she doesn't care.
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[female reporter]
Authorities in Epping
have confirmed
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that they've discovered
human remains
on the LaBarre property.
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A search of the burn piles
has turned up hedge clippers
and a knife.
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[Sahni]
What they also find
inside the home
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are multiple sources of blood.
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Some at different stages
of decomposition,
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which suggests that, clearly,
that home is a crime scene
from multiple time periods,
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some of which clearly
predate her contact
with Kenneth Countie.
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[Tussey] I mean,
not all of this blood
was fresh.
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Which really begs the question
that if she killed
Kenneth Countie,
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then who else
might she have killed?
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[man]
It would be premature
at this point,
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given the stage
of the investigation
we're at now,
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to talk about foul play.
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[Tussey] In these recordings,
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it seems like LaBarre
is just torturing
Kenneth Countie.
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He's answering these questions
usually with one word answers.
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It makes you wonder.
Is she standing over him
with a weapon?
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She talks about
how her life is valuable
and his is just a game,
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so therefore,
it really doesn't matter.
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And it exemplifies
the psychopathic trait
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of having this callous
disregard for humanity.
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When we think
of the grooming process,
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it involves an individual
kind of establishing trust
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and a secure relationship
with someone
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so that they feel
that they're looking out
for their best interest.
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In this case, we know
that Kenny suffered
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from very significant
cognitive deficits
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that interfered
with his judgment
and decision-making,
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and that he was
very susceptible
to the ideas of others
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and could be
very easily manipulated.
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[Michael] 2004.
This tape is for my mother.
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You really messed me up.
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And if it wasn't for Sheila,
I wouldn't know
half the things I know.
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[Sahni] What was known
to authorities at that point
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is that Michael Deloge
had been missing
for some time.
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He was homeless.
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He was recovering
from some difficulties
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with mental illness
and addiction.
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But the last time
he was seen alive
was on LaBarre's property.
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They find audio recordings
and video that LaBarre
has created of Michael Deloge,
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and it seems
eerily familiar to the audio
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that they listened to
between LaBarre
and Kenneth Countie.
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[Rosenberg]
We're seeing LaBarre
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coerce a false confession
out of Michael.
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We can only presume
how she did that.
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But based
on the physical injury
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she inflicted
on Kenneth Countie,
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you can imagine that
physical violence
was involved.
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This is where I live.
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This is what we do.
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We go around
picking up sticks,
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and before you get
into some tangent
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about my scratch on my face,
this is how it happened.
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[Rosenberg] It seems like
she gets gratification
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from almost
psychological torture
and from harming other people.
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It seems to me
that she equates love
with sex and violence.
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The pattern
that starts to emerge
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with Sheila LaBarre
is a predatory offender
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who looks
for particularly young
and vulnerable males.
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She lures them in.
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When people think about
sadistic offenders,
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most often
they think about men.
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But the reality
is paraphilic
or deviant interests
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can pop up in men or women.
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And in the case of LaBarre,
based on what we know
about her history,
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there are some
good indications
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that she has a strange
sexual arousal pattern
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that may have to do
with violence towards men.
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And it's a slow
buildup for her.
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It involves
a coercive relationship,
and fear, and threats.
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And when she's done with them,
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the ultimate climax for her,
the ultimate moment
of arousal for her
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is the process
of killing them.
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[Sahni] Dr. LaBarre tells her,
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"Over my dead body
is when you're going to get
your name on the deed."
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She adopted
and assumed his life,
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and his home,
and his property.
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And shortly thereafter,
he died,
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and she ended up
staking claim
to his entire estate.
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Her arrogance and narcissism,
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and belief that she's smarter
than everyone else
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continues to be
her guiding post.
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Sheila LaBarre presents
as someone who's pretty cold,
and callous,
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and manipulative.
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[Rosenberg]
It's really relevant here
to consider the fact
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that the way that they met
is through a call girl ad.
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LaBarre was, I believe,
in her 20s or 30s,
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and there was maybe
a 40-year age difference
in the two,
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and he was relatively wealthy.
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And you have to wonder,
you know,
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was this a purposeful plan
that was designed to entrap
a wealthy man
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who could then provide for her
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and give her
a sense of security?
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I see her as somebody
who's always thinking out
her next step
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of how can she
take advantage of somebody
to satisfy her own needs?
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[Tussey] Interestingly enough,
she was married to at least
one other person
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while she was still
in a relationship
with Dr. LaBarre.
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And her ex-husband
that she was married to
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while she was still
in a relationship
with Dr. LaBarre
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has come forward and said
that she actually asked him
to murder Dr. LaBarre.
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[male reporter 1]
The human bones,
blood, and DNA
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found at Sheila LaBarre's
Epping farm,
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is known to belong
to Michael Deloge
and Kenneth Countie.
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The fact their bodies
were burned is clear.
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[male reporter 2]
Investigators digging up
the septic system
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uncovered more evidence
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including toe bones
that do not match
either man's DNA.
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[male reporter 3]
Sheila LaBarre,
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the woman suspected
in the murders of at least
two missing men
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in Epping, New Hampshire,
is in custody
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after authorities
received a tip
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that she'd been spotted
in Revere, Massachusetts.
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According to police,
she had tried
to change her appearance
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and was using an alias
when she was finally caught.
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I think her level
of narcissism and arrogance
is so significant
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that Sheila LaBarre
really thought
she was above the law,
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she would never get caught.
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If she just kept burning
her victims,
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nobody would ever catch her.
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And what I think
is more likely
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is that she has
a sadistic preoccupation
with sexuality,
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with child sexual molestation.
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[female reporter]
The LaBarre trial
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is not about
whether she murdered
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Michael Deloge
and Kenneth Countie,
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but rather her state of mind
at the time.
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[male reporter]
The jurors will decide
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was LaBarre insane at the time
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she admittedly killed
her boyfriends Kenneth Countie
and Michael Deloge?
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I want you to think
about a woman who truly
believes she is an angel.
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A spirit
walking amongst the living,
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who has returned to Earth
for some special purpose.
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[male reporter]
Her attorney said
LaBarre thought
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that being a notary public
gave her special powers.
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And she believes those powers
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gives her the ability
to become judge,
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jury, and executioner.
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[Rosenberg]
LaBarre made statements
that she was sent from God
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to be some sort of vigilante,
angel, religious figure
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who was responsible
for killing or for vetting out
pedophiles.
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So that, to me, is a delusion
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that I think is born
out of a serious
mental illness.
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But ultimately,
in doing these evaluations,
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we're looking for evidence
to suggest that they knew
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what they were doing
was wrong.
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She doesn't call the police.
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She lies, she lies,
and she lies.
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She conceals evidence
and then she leaves the state.
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And that indicates
that she very much knew
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that the behavior
she engaged in was wrong.
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We called her Crazy Sheila.
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I think
being sexually abused
by her father
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created this
like fusion of love,
and hatred, and sex
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that really plays out
in her adulthood.
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I think she has
some perversions,
maybe even a paraphilia,
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where anything related
to that content is arousing.
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[Sahni]
While we do sometimes see,
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in cases
of psychopathic individuals,
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early trauma,
extreme violence,
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extreme sexual assault,
extreme neglect,
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sometimes contribute
to that psychopathic
personality.
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And it's also
really important to note
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that the vast majority
of people who experience
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child sexual abuse,
child physical abuse,
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neglect, while growing up,
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do not go on
to harm other people
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and do not go on to develop
into psychopathic
human beings.
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[LaBarre]
♪ I guess you had it coming ♪
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♪ I guess you had it coming ♪
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♪ If I had to choose
A punishment for you ♪
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♪ I guess you had it coming ♪
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♪
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♪