1 00:00:02,166 --> 00:00:04,333 [dramatic music playing] 2 00:01:15,266 --> 00:01:17,433 [man] Being inside of me, it's like... 3 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,266 The appetite, it's like a wolf that's... 4 00:01:22,700 --> 00:01:24,266 feeling... 5 00:01:24,867 --> 00:01:26,433 the hunger. 6 00:01:31,667 --> 00:01:33,567 [reporter] We have a local breaking news alert right now, 7 00:01:33,567 --> 00:01:35,467 in Putnam County, where two boys 8 00:01:35,467 --> 00:01:37,467 were found dead in a home. 9 00:01:37,467 --> 00:01:39,000 12-year-old Robert Baker 10 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,667 and 14-year-old Tayten Baker were murdered here. 11 00:01:41,667 --> 00:01:43,867 Now deputies are trying to figure out 12 00:01:43,934 --> 00:01:47,233 what happened leading up to their deaths. 13 00:02:01,767 --> 00:02:04,667 [Bardey] The brutal nature of the crime and the extent of overkill 14 00:02:04,734 --> 00:02:07,166 speaks to something very personal. 15 00:02:07,166 --> 00:02:10,166 It's not just... If this were a home invasion 16 00:02:10,166 --> 00:02:11,667 and the kids were in the way, 17 00:02:11,667 --> 00:02:15,467 the intruder would have done the minimum to get the kids out of the way. 18 00:02:15,467 --> 00:02:17,567 So once they were out of the way, 19 00:02:17,567 --> 00:02:19,467 there's no reason to go any further. 20 00:02:19,467 --> 00:02:21,166 The degree of overkill here... 21 00:02:21,233 --> 00:02:24,967 It speaks to the fact that the killer knew his victims 22 00:02:24,967 --> 00:02:27,834 and was driven by some sort of intense rage. 23 00:02:55,667 --> 00:02:57,834 [sobbing] 24 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,367 [sobbing] 25 00:03:20,367 --> 00:03:22,166 At this point in the investigation, 26 00:03:22,166 --> 00:03:25,867 detectives are bringing in the immediate family members. 27 00:03:25,934 --> 00:03:27,467 Most of the family's co-operating. 28 00:03:27,467 --> 00:03:29,867 They're willingly talking to the authorities. 29 00:03:29,934 --> 00:03:32,066 They're sharing whatever information they know. 30 00:03:33,266 --> 00:03:37,000 What we notice is that Cindy is highly emotional. 31 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,367 She's having a hard time digesting what's happened. 32 00:03:40,433 --> 00:03:43,667 Mark's not showing a whole lot of affect or emotion. 33 00:03:43,734 --> 00:03:46,000 But he's trying to comfort his girlfriend. 34 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,867 He's trying to respond to the situation 35 00:03:47,867 --> 00:03:50,834 based on what he thinks is required of him. 36 00:04:33,367 --> 00:04:35,467 [Dr. Vienna] Asking for a lawyer early in an investigation 37 00:04:35,533 --> 00:04:37,467 could be a sign of defensiveness. 38 00:04:37,467 --> 00:04:40,266 It could be a sign that he did something wrong 39 00:04:40,333 --> 00:04:42,967 and he doesn't know how to get out of it. 40 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,767 I think the key feature here 41 00:04:45,834 --> 00:04:48,567 is his lack of emotional attachment to the children. 42 00:04:48,567 --> 00:04:51,266 You would I think that if these were your children 43 00:04:51,266 --> 00:04:52,667 or your girlfriend's children 44 00:04:52,667 --> 00:04:54,166 or some children in your family, 45 00:04:54,166 --> 00:04:58,467 that you would do anything it takes to help solve their crime. 46 00:04:58,533 --> 00:05:01,000 You would come forth and give a DNA test, 47 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,867 take a lie detector test. 48 00:05:02,867 --> 00:05:06,667 So if someone like Mark Wilson isn't doing that, 49 00:05:06,667 --> 00:05:09,033 investigators might assume that he has something to hide. 50 00:06:58,867 --> 00:07:01,567 [Dr. Sahni] It's not uncommon for family members 51 00:07:01,567 --> 00:07:05,066 of somebody who's psychopathic or people close to them 52 00:07:05,133 --> 00:07:08,767 to sometimes see emotions and reactions that aren't actually there. 53 00:07:08,767 --> 00:07:11,867 So it's hard to know if Wilson's mom 54 00:07:11,867 --> 00:07:13,967 actually saw tears 55 00:07:14,033 --> 00:07:16,867 and full, genuine emotion from her son. 56 00:07:16,867 --> 00:07:20,066 Or, more likely, if Wilson did shed any tears 57 00:07:20,066 --> 00:07:22,967 or his eyes became glassy and watery, 58 00:07:23,033 --> 00:07:25,266 it was either an attempt 59 00:07:25,333 --> 00:07:28,166 to confuse his mother and manipulate her. 60 00:07:28,166 --> 00:07:31,166 Or it may have been his own regret and sadness 61 00:07:31,166 --> 00:07:33,734 for the fact that he's now been found out. 62 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,000 [Dr. Vienna] So he's somewhat criminally sophisticated at this point. 63 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,667 Been to prison for almost five years, 64 00:08:24,667 --> 00:08:26,567 engaging in drug offenses. 65 00:08:26,567 --> 00:08:29,467 His violent behavior is slowly escalating. 66 00:08:29,467 --> 00:08:32,166 And he doesn't really have that many skills 67 00:08:32,166 --> 00:08:34,066 to navigate life successfully. 68 00:08:34,133 --> 00:08:37,867 So he's living this sort of parasitic lifestyle off of others. 69 00:08:37,934 --> 00:08:40,166 And he's really giving nothing in return. 70 00:08:40,166 --> 00:08:41,433 Just taking from others. 71 00:10:01,700 --> 00:10:05,667 Wilson at different times tries to come up with different excuses 72 00:10:05,734 --> 00:10:07,767 to shift the blame away from himself. 73 00:10:07,767 --> 00:10:09,266 He blames his girlfriend. 74 00:10:09,333 --> 00:10:10,767 He blames the children. 75 00:10:10,767 --> 00:10:15,266 He never really comes up and acknowledges and takes responsibility, 76 00:10:15,333 --> 00:10:18,667 and that denotes a certain degree of callousness. 77 00:10:18,667 --> 00:10:21,767 It denotes a certain degree of lack of empathy. 78 00:10:21,834 --> 00:10:24,867 I mean, at the very least, now that he's been caught 79 00:10:24,934 --> 00:10:27,367 to show some degree of regret and remorse 80 00:10:27,367 --> 00:10:29,367 for having killed these children. 81 00:10:29,367 --> 00:10:33,066 But yet, even at the end of this interview, he still does not. 82 00:10:40,266 --> 00:10:42,233 [siren wailing] 83 00:11:46,667 --> 00:11:48,467 [Dr. Vienna] What's transpiring here 84 00:11:48,533 --> 00:11:50,667 is he's posting himself up 85 00:11:50,734 --> 00:11:52,567 to be this, sort of, big brother, 86 00:11:52,634 --> 00:11:54,467 this hero, this very, you know, 87 00:11:54,467 --> 00:11:56,066 caring and engaging individual. 88 00:11:56,066 --> 00:12:00,567 It's an a stark contrast to what we know about him. 89 00:12:00,567 --> 00:12:02,667 He's someone that uses people, 90 00:12:02,667 --> 00:12:05,367 engages in criminal activity to get what he wants. 91 00:12:05,367 --> 00:12:07,667 He's just making himself out to be someone 92 00:12:07,667 --> 00:12:09,467 who he's not, almost trying to control 93 00:12:09,467 --> 00:12:10,867 the narrative of the situation. 94 00:12:10,934 --> 00:12:12,767 That he's a good guy, he's the innocent one. 95 00:12:12,767 --> 00:12:13,967 He's the role model 96 00:12:14,033 --> 00:12:15,467 to Robert and Tayten. 97 00:15:26,500 --> 00:15:29,767 [Dr. Sahni] One of the other theories during this investigation 98 00:15:29,834 --> 00:15:32,867 was that his motivation to kill the boys 99 00:15:32,867 --> 00:15:38,066 may have had to do with that family reporting him to CPS. 100 00:15:38,133 --> 00:15:39,867 And he's worried that his young daughter 101 00:15:39,867 --> 00:15:42,634 would be taken away because of his drug use. 102 00:15:43,567 --> 00:15:45,233 There's zero indication 103 00:15:45,300 --> 00:15:47,867 that either of the two victims 104 00:15:47,934 --> 00:15:50,367 were engaged in anything inappropriate, 105 00:15:50,367 --> 00:15:54,467 sexually with either Wilson's young daughter, 106 00:15:54,467 --> 00:15:56,567 or his significant other. 107 00:15:56,567 --> 00:16:00,166 This is somebody who desperately is grasping at straws. 108 00:16:00,166 --> 00:16:03,567 Wilson's willing to throw anyone and everyone under the bus 109 00:16:03,567 --> 00:16:06,567 in this interview, just to walk out the door 110 00:16:06,567 --> 00:16:09,433 because he didn't do it, or he did it because he had to. 111 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,166 It really shows us that he acted on vulnerable individuals 112 00:16:51,166 --> 00:16:52,467 who weren't able to fight back, 113 00:16:52,533 --> 00:16:55,166 didn't have a really a chance to escape. 114 00:16:55,166 --> 00:16:59,867 He waited until they were completely knocked out, to hurt them. 115 00:16:59,934 --> 00:17:02,266 It's a common trait for psychopaths 116 00:17:02,266 --> 00:17:04,667 to prey upon those weaker than themselves 117 00:17:04,667 --> 00:17:06,000 or those that are vulnerable, 118 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,467 that aren't able to fight back, 119 00:17:07,533 --> 00:17:10,667 so they can then get what they want out of the situation, 120 00:19:41,900 --> 00:19:47,066 Wilson is using words that he believes he should be using. 121 00:19:47,133 --> 00:19:50,066 Life has taught him that he should model this behavior, 122 00:19:50,133 --> 00:19:53,767 but because there's no depth to it, there's no sincerity to it. 123 00:19:53,767 --> 00:19:55,467 And he doesn't really have a lot of understanding 124 00:19:55,467 --> 00:19:58,166 of what emotions are or attachment is. 125 00:19:58,166 --> 00:19:59,166 It's just words. 126 00:19:59,233 --> 00:20:01,266 It's an afterthought to say, "I'm sorry." 127 00:20:01,333 --> 00:20:03,467 It's an afterthought to say this was a big mistake. 128 00:20:03,467 --> 00:20:05,567 It wasn't a "Big mistake." 129 00:20:05,567 --> 00:20:09,767 Mistakes are, "I accidentally forgot to pay the bills." 130 00:20:09,834 --> 00:20:11,300 Mistakes are... 131 00:20:11,300 --> 00:20:13,667 "I left something in the car that should have been put in the refrigerator." 132 00:20:13,667 --> 00:20:14,867 "I left the milk out." 133 00:20:14,867 --> 00:20:18,266 Big mistakes are not brutally murdering two children 134 00:20:18,266 --> 00:20:20,266 that are members of your family. 135 00:20:31,467 --> 00:20:33,266 ♪ 136 00:20:33,266 --> 00:20:35,567 Just because somebody is a member of your family 137 00:20:35,567 --> 00:20:37,667 doesn't mean that you're automatically safe. 138 00:20:37,667 --> 00:20:38,967 [Lawyer] Are you a family annihilator? 139 00:20:39,033 --> 00:20:41,567 You mean, like, did I shoot my wife and my son? 140 00:20:41,634 --> 00:20:43,266 [Woman] Sometimes that risk lies within. 141 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,166 ♪