1 00:00:19,900 --> 00:00:22,066 [operator speaking on phone] 2 00:00:22,066 --> 00:00:28,734 [Hendricks speaking on phone] 3 00:00:31,967 --> 00:00:33,900 [operator speaking on phone] 4 00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:35,967 -[Pakanich speaking on phone] -[operator speaking on phone] 5 00:00:35,967 --> 00:00:39,433 [Pakanich speaking on phone] 6 00:00:42,066 --> 00:00:44,734 [both speaking on phone] 7 00:01:03,700 --> 00:01:05,000 [man 1 speaking] 8 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,467 [man 2 speaking] 9 00:01:06,467 --> 00:01:08,667 [man 3 speaking] 10 00:01:08,667 --> 00:01:10,834 [man 4] The thing inside of me, it's like, 11 00:01:12,166 --> 00:01:14,634 the appetite, it's like a wolf, it's... 12 00:01:15,767 --> 00:01:18,934 beyond hunger. 13 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,533 [officer speaking] 14 00:01:42,500 --> 00:01:45,567 [Pakanich speaking] 15 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,333 [both speaking] 16 00:01:57,667 --> 00:01:59,934 [footsteps approaching] 17 00:02:04,166 --> 00:02:08,667 [intense music playing] 18 00:02:14,900 --> 00:02:18,634 [both officers speaking] 19 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,767 -[officer 2] That was quick. -[officer 1 speaking] 20 00:02:34,066 --> 00:02:39,834 [both officers speaking] 21 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,367 When you see butchery like this in murder cases, 22 00:02:45,367 --> 00:02:47,300 it does suggest that the individual 23 00:02:47,300 --> 00:02:48,867 who perpetrated this violence 24 00:02:48,867 --> 00:02:52,667 had some sadistic tendencies or sadistic fantasies 25 00:02:52,667 --> 00:02:54,266 that they were able to carry out. 26 00:02:54,266 --> 00:02:55,667 This is not a typical murder. 27 00:03:09,100 --> 00:03:14,834 [both officers speaking] 28 00:03:23,567 --> 00:03:25,467 [man] She's kind of nonchalant. 29 00:03:25,467 --> 00:03:27,767 She doesn't seem to be concerned, 30 00:03:27,767 --> 00:03:30,200 fearful, suspicious of the police. 31 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,700 Um, she's standing there in a relatively calm state. 32 00:03:33,700 --> 00:03:36,867 So that's different than most people would be 33 00:03:36,867 --> 00:03:39,066 if they're alarmed 'cause they think something bad happened. 34 00:03:48,100 --> 00:03:51,433 [detective speaking] 35 00:03:57,166 --> 00:03:58,133 [Taylor speaking] 36 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:07,433 [both speaking] 37 00:04:26,867 --> 00:04:29,400 [Taylor speaking] 38 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,867 [Dr. Ankur Saraiya speaking] If you're speaking with a police officer 39 00:04:31,867 --> 00:04:35,367 and he says, "Hey, this person you know 40 00:04:35,367 --> 00:04:37,667 they found some disturbing things." 41 00:04:37,667 --> 00:04:41,767 And the first thing he says is a lot of blood, 42 00:04:41,767 --> 00:04:43,467 I mean, the natural reaction 43 00:04:43,467 --> 00:04:45,500 for any person is gonna be, 44 00:04:45,500 --> 00:04:47,300 "Oh, my gosh. Is he okay?" 45 00:04:47,300 --> 00:04:49,367 or something along those lines. 46 00:04:49,367 --> 00:04:50,634 So even though the pause 47 00:04:50,634 --> 00:04:55,467 before he gets to the even more shocking phrase of severed head, 48 00:04:55,467 --> 00:04:58,734 you can see, again, no reaction. 49 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,000 So what we do know about Taylor Schabusiness 50 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,800 is that, um, in the past 51 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,600 she has exhibited a number of behaviors 52 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:16,800 and had a number of experiences. 53 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,400 First, she has exhibited assaultive behavior 54 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,600 towards other students in high school, 55 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,467 we know that she's done drugs, 56 00:05:23,467 --> 00:05:28,300 we know that she is not free of a behavioral history 57 00:05:28,300 --> 00:05:31,467 of being able to be aggressive and hostile and violent. 58 00:05:31,467 --> 00:05:35,300 So all those things would be on a differential to try and sort out 59 00:05:35,300 --> 00:05:39,233 about what's going on with her and what happened with Shad. 60 00:05:43,667 --> 00:05:50,233 [both speaking] 61 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,333 [detective and Taylor speaking] 62 00:07:31,700 --> 00:07:33,367 [Dr. Chriscelyn Tussey] It's curious that when they ask her 63 00:07:33,367 --> 00:07:35,200 about her mental health history, 64 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,934 she states that she doesn't know yet. 65 00:07:38,367 --> 00:07:39,567 It makes me wonder 66 00:07:39,567 --> 00:07:42,467 if she's trying to set the stage 67 00:07:42,467 --> 00:07:44,900 to be able to avoid or mitigate 68 00:07:44,900 --> 00:07:47,400 her responsibility in this crime. 69 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:48,800 [Dr. Ankur] Well, that's very typical 70 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,100 of individuals with psychopathy, 71 00:07:51,100 --> 00:07:54,767 in that they don't wanna give too many details early on 72 00:07:54,767 --> 00:07:56,467 because they're still trying to figure out 73 00:07:56,467 --> 00:07:58,634 how they're gonna spin the story. 74 00:07:59,300 --> 00:08:02,166 [both speaking] 75 00:08:57,967 --> 00:08:59,300 [Dr. Charles A. Morgan III] She's framing it right now 76 00:08:59,300 --> 00:09:01,200 as "we were both into this thing," 77 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,533 the strangulation. 78 00:09:03,266 --> 00:09:04,600 But as the story goes on, 79 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,900 it becomes much more clear that this was an interest 80 00:09:06,900 --> 00:09:10,000 that she had prior to that evening. 81 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,900 It's something that she's enjoyed before, 82 00:09:11,900 --> 00:09:14,166 and it's something she planned on doing. 83 00:09:14,166 --> 00:09:17,700 And it's not something particularly that maybe Shad was into. 84 00:09:17,700 --> 00:09:19,166 Shad suffered from depression. 85 00:09:19,166 --> 00:09:20,567 It might make him more vulnerable 86 00:09:20,567 --> 00:09:23,000 to believing hat she cared about him, 87 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,066 and then he would become more easily manipulated 88 00:09:26,066 --> 00:09:29,767 so that she could use him for whatever reason she needed. 89 00:09:29,767 --> 00:09:32,000 [Dr. Chriscelyn] Research has shown some correlation 90 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,867 between psychopathy and sadistic behavior. 91 00:09:34,867 --> 00:09:39,000 She's describing it as if it was a consensual activity. 92 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,867 But we know that ultimately she not only murdered him, 93 00:09:42,867 --> 00:09:45,667 but then dismembered him in a very vile way. 94 00:09:45,667 --> 00:09:47,900 So there's certainly some sadistic behavior 95 00:09:47,900 --> 00:09:49,834 that took place at her hands. 96 00:09:51,066 --> 00:09:57,867 [detective and Taylor speaking] 97 00:10:27,567 --> 00:10:33,166 [detective and Taylor speaking] 98 00:10:57,967 --> 00:11:00,266 [Dr. Chriscelyn] She's almost completely detached 99 00:11:00,266 --> 00:11:02,100 from humanity as she's describing it. 100 00:11:02,100 --> 00:11:06,066 Even the fact that his mother found his head, 101 00:11:06,066 --> 00:11:08,600 the fact that this was someone she had a relationship with, 102 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,200 it's her ex-boyfriend. 103 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:15,367 And she's describing his dismembered body parts, again, almost with pride. 104 00:11:15,367 --> 00:11:17,967 And I think that the way that she states that 105 00:11:17,967 --> 00:11:22,166 is rather chilling, and shows that there is truly 106 00:11:22,166 --> 00:11:27,266 no remorse and association, with his human life. 107 00:11:30,166 --> 00:11:37,233 [detective and Taylor speaking] 108 00:12:30,166 --> 00:12:32,266 Her descriptions are really clear. 109 00:12:32,266 --> 00:12:33,867 She's identifying items, 110 00:12:33,867 --> 00:12:37,266 color, where they are, what kind of knives... 111 00:12:37,266 --> 00:12:40,467 So, she's, she's now getting very specific, 112 00:12:40,467 --> 00:12:42,767 and also making some of the comments, 113 00:12:42,767 --> 00:12:45,000 they almost sound like dark humor. 114 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,266 She's already throwing in little allusions 115 00:12:47,266 --> 00:12:49,333 to what's to come for the police officer. 116 00:12:51,667 --> 00:12:57,066 [detective and Taylor speaking] 117 00:14:23,100 --> 00:14:25,266 [Dr. Chriscelyn] Schabusiness seems quite interested 118 00:14:25,266 --> 00:14:26,867 in control and domination. 119 00:14:26,867 --> 00:14:28,467 That's clear from when she even talks 120 00:14:28,467 --> 00:14:32,367 about walking him like a dog or riding him like a donkey. 121 00:14:32,367 --> 00:14:35,667 By ultimately strangling him until he died, 122 00:14:35,667 --> 00:14:39,066 she created a, a play object for her. 123 00:14:40,367 --> 00:14:43,100 We know from the records that she actually engaged 124 00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:45,433 in necrophilic acts with his body. 125 00:14:46,166 --> 00:14:48,567 She was again in complete control 126 00:14:48,567 --> 00:14:50,066 now that she had killed him. 127 00:14:52,166 --> 00:14:56,333 [detective and Taylor speaking] 128 00:15:23,467 --> 00:15:27,333 [detective and Taylor speaking] 129 00:15:49,667 --> 00:15:51,300 [Dr. Charles] People often wonder. what's the association 130 00:15:51,300 --> 00:15:53,467 between sexual arousal, violence... 131 00:15:53,467 --> 00:15:54,767 and she words it, 132 00:15:54,767 --> 00:15:57,667 "You love something so much you want to kill it." 133 00:15:57,667 --> 00:16:00,367 What we do know from a neurophysiologic standpoint 134 00:16:00,367 --> 00:16:02,367 is that extreme states of arousal 135 00:16:02,367 --> 00:16:06,300 and extreme states of rage have similar neurochemistry. 136 00:16:06,300 --> 00:16:08,767 Um, and so we think that 137 00:16:08,767 --> 00:16:10,900 in some people that's why the two can get paired. 138 00:16:10,900 --> 00:16:14,567 Some people find it emotionally a turn on when there's violence 139 00:16:14,567 --> 00:16:16,667 and when there's violence occurring, 140 00:16:16,667 --> 00:16:17,834 it's arousing to them. 141 00:16:18,867 --> 00:16:25,367 [detective and Taylor speaking] 142 00:16:58,100 --> 00:17:00,200 [reporter 1 speaking] A 24-year-old woman charged in one of Brown County's 143 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,867 most gruesome homicides is found competent to stand trial by a doctor. 144 00:17:03,867 --> 00:17:07,200 But the case against Taylor Schabusiness is not moving forward just yet. 145 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,166 [reporter 2] Instead, another psychiatric evaluation is being allowed 146 00:17:10,166 --> 00:17:12,734 before a judge decides what to do next. 147 00:17:42,066 --> 00:17:45,667 [Taylor and officers speaking] 148 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,667 When she's in the courtroom, she notices cameras. 149 00:17:55,667 --> 00:17:57,266 She can play to the camera, 150 00:17:57,266 --> 00:18:00,100 she can smirk, she can interact. 151 00:18:00,100 --> 00:18:02,500 And so it's almost, if I can't put my expert on, 152 00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:05,000 um, I'll go ahead and attack my attorney 153 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,066 and show people I'm crazy. 154 00:18:06,667 --> 00:18:07,600 I think it's deliberate, 155 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,367 'cause she's feigning the confusion. 156 00:18:09,367 --> 00:18:13,934 Like, that's not how the psychiatric illness would manifest itself. 157 00:18:38,266 --> 00:18:40,467 [man] When you were reviewing the phone itself, 158 00:18:40,467 --> 00:18:44,567 the extraction of the phone itself, on March 2nd of 2022, 159 00:18:44,567 --> 00:18:47,767 did you note any searches related to Jeffrey Dahmer? 160 00:18:47,767 --> 00:18:49,567 Twenty four total. 161 00:18:49,567 --> 00:18:53,667 Um, searches, such things like, "Jeffrey Dahmer, 162 00:18:53,667 --> 00:18:56,166 Jeffrey Dahmer walking into court, all sexy." 163 00:18:56,166 --> 00:19:00,900 [man] And did you likewise see any photographs of Jeffrey Dahmer? 164 00:19:00,900 --> 00:19:03,000 Yes, there's a picture of Jeffrey Dahmer 165 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,900 on the screen of the cell phone, 166 00:19:04,900 --> 00:19:06,567 and she's smiling. 167 00:19:06,567 --> 00:19:08,533 Like they're taking a selfie together. 168 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,700 When we look at her fascination 169 00:19:12,700 --> 00:19:14,400 and her obsession with Jeffrey Dahmer, 170 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,867 he's almost like a role model for her. 171 00:19:16,867 --> 00:19:20,800 Like someone she wants to be like or emulate. 172 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,667 Jeffrey Dahmer, when he killed people, 173 00:19:22,667 --> 00:19:25,166 he liked to dismember them, keep the body parts. 174 00:19:25,166 --> 00:19:26,834 He liked to save the heads. 175 00:19:27,867 --> 00:19:31,000 And she's emulating that ideal. 176 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,700 [Kelly Thyrion] When you meet a person in school, 177 00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:34,834 you say he's your friend, you become friends. 178 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,767 Become girlfriend and boyfriend, 179 00:19:37,767 --> 00:19:40,433 lovers, gain his trust... 180 00:19:41,100 --> 00:19:44,000 An innocent person that's very kind, 181 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,333 would do anything for you. 182 00:19:46,166 --> 00:19:48,567 I believe you used that 183 00:19:48,567 --> 00:19:50,166 and you had this plan, 184 00:19:50,166 --> 00:19:52,266 and took your opportunity when you did. 185 00:19:52,266 --> 00:19:53,500 There's no excuse. 186 00:19:53,500 --> 00:19:55,567 You know, I don't see it no other way. 187 00:19:56,867 --> 00:20:00,166 I will pray that you meet the same fate 188 00:20:00,166 --> 00:20:03,333 as your idolistic Jeffrey Dahmer. 189 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,100 [man] We, the jury, find the defendant, 190 00:20:13,100 --> 00:20:14,667 Taylor Denise Schabusiness 191 00:20:14,667 --> 00:20:17,000 guilty of first degree intentional homicide.