1 00:00:50,900 --> 00:00:54,900 [theme music playing] 2 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,033 [man] The thing inside of me, it's like... 3 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,133 the appetite. 4 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:06,600 It's like a wolf that's... 5 00:01:08,567 --> 00:01:11,333 feeling the hunger. 6 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,634 Technology, technology, technology. 7 00:01:33,700 --> 00:01:36,233 What jumped out at the investigators at that time 8 00:01:36,300 --> 00:01:37,600 was her SIM card. 9 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,000 Rohrer's SIM card, or subscriber identity module, had been taken 10 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,967 out of her phone and placed into a phone owned by this man, 11 00:01:46,967 --> 00:01:49,667 31-year-old Colby Delea Martin. 12 00:01:49,667 --> 00:01:52,133 [woman] Van Buren County investigators say 13 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,033 they found him in a Wal-Mart parking lot. 14 00:02:34,100 --> 00:02:37,433 So despite the fact that Martin has been called back in for 15 00:02:37,500 --> 00:02:40,767 questioning, he doesn't ask authorities why he's being 16 00:02:40,767 --> 00:02:42,166 taken into custody. 17 00:02:42,166 --> 00:02:45,333 And yet, with a level of confidence and calm, 18 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,467 he sits down, and in this very glib, 19 00:02:47,467 --> 00:02:50,567 superficially charming way, he says to the detectives, 20 00:02:50,567 --> 00:02:52,867 "You tell me your story, and then we'll talk." 21 00:02:52,867 --> 00:02:55,367 He's trying to take over the control of the interview, 22 00:02:55,367 --> 00:02:56,967 and he's playing it very cool. 23 00:02:56,967 --> 00:03:00,333 And that level of arrogance and overconfidence is also 24 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:01,667 something we see in psychopathic 25 00:03:01,667 --> 00:03:02,667 individuals sometimes. 26 00:04:17,867 --> 00:04:20,867 So he's been giving these sort of elliptical, 27 00:04:20,867 --> 00:04:24,567 partial sentences, just driving, out of nowhere. 28 00:04:24,567 --> 00:04:28,467 There's not a full continuity of ideas going on in the way 29 00:04:28,467 --> 00:04:29,734 he's communicating. 30 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,133 And so he's being, what we say, it's evasion. 31 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,233 He's not communicating fully what his memory is 32 00:04:35,300 --> 00:04:36,533 of something. 33 00:04:36,533 --> 00:04:39,867 And what we know in research on verbal evasions, when people 34 00:04:39,867 --> 00:04:42,934 are lying, is they will use these little qualifiers like 35 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,300 just, only -- something happened and they're not filling it in. 36 00:05:04,867 --> 00:05:06,600 [officer] Mm-hmm. 37 00:06:13,266 --> 00:06:15,433 [officer] Right. 38 00:06:15,500 --> 00:06:17,967 What we see sometimes in psychopathic individuals is 39 00:06:17,967 --> 00:06:19,767 a very high level of narcissism. 40 00:06:19,767 --> 00:06:23,433 And in the case of Martin, where that narcissism leaks out 41 00:06:23,500 --> 00:06:25,767 is his own arrogance that he thought he'd come up with 42 00:06:25,767 --> 00:06:28,066 this unbelievable story that's implausible. 43 00:06:28,066 --> 00:06:30,367 He'd just tell them it was an accident, and that'd be 44 00:06:30,367 --> 00:06:31,567 the end of it. 45 00:06:31,567 --> 00:06:34,967 He didn't even waste the time or brain power or energy to 46 00:06:34,967 --> 00:06:37,900 think about, how do I explain why I moved a body? 47 00:07:01,900 --> 00:07:03,934 [John] Colby Martin doesn't feel bad. 48 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,100 There's no evidence to suggest that he has any real negative, 49 00:07:08,100 --> 00:07:09,567 vulnerable feelings at all. 50 00:07:09,567 --> 00:07:11,967 He puts the tissue up to his face, but there are 51 00:07:11,967 --> 00:07:13,867 no tears -- it's presentation. 52 00:07:13,867 --> 00:07:15,934 It's all theatrics. It's all drama. 53 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,233 He's got to get these investigators on his side. 54 00:07:19,300 --> 00:07:21,834 Colby is never considering the victim in this case. 55 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:24,367 He's never considering the husband that had to call 56 00:07:24,367 --> 00:07:27,734 911 because his wife had just gone out for a walk like 57 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,000 she does every day and never came home. 58 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,767 [Charles] I don't think he's worried about any future suffering on 59 00:08:08,767 --> 00:08:10,367 the part of his wife or their kid. 60 00:08:10,367 --> 00:08:13,867 If he should go to jail, he's using it as bait. 61 00:08:13,867 --> 00:08:15,367 It's an emotional lure. 62 00:08:15,367 --> 00:08:17,266 It's supposed to get the police to feel 63 00:08:17,266 --> 00:08:19,667 a little bit more sorry for him. 64 00:08:19,667 --> 00:08:22,000 It's pure manipulation on his part. 65 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,533 He presents it as if he doesn't even know what a SIM card 66 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,166 actually is, but then later in the sequence, we see, well, 67 00:09:03,166 --> 00:09:06,367 "I don't even have the push button to get," so he knows what 68 00:09:06,367 --> 00:09:08,133 a SIM card actually is. 69 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,934 This is part of the narrative that he hadn't considered 70 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,333 because it really doesn't make any sense why he would have 71 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:15,567 this SIM card. 72 00:09:15,567 --> 00:09:17,934 So he's trying to send up a test balloon to figure out, 73 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,667 can he get information from them in order to establish 74 00:09:21,667 --> 00:09:23,834 the new lie that he needs to tell? 75 00:09:44,567 --> 00:09:46,700 [officer] Yeah. 76 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,433 What we'd see potentially is somebody that in a very 77 00:10:34,500 --> 00:10:38,367 manipulative and calculated way is trying to manage 78 00:10:38,367 --> 00:10:39,867 the impression of the detectives. 79 00:10:39,867 --> 00:10:44,934 That if he looks like he has insight, if he looks like he's 80 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,867 acknowledging that this doesn't look good for him and that it 81 00:10:46,867 --> 00:10:51,233 makes him look like a disturbed human being, maybe they will 82 00:10:51,300 --> 00:10:53,400 appreciate the parts of him that have been cooperative. 83 00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:44,433 And he goes from that extreme of saying, "No, I didn't," 84 00:11:44,500 --> 00:11:47,100 to, "Yes, I did," about washing the car. 85 00:11:47,100 --> 00:11:50,667 I think it's overall perhaps designed to elicit kind of 86 00:11:50,667 --> 00:11:53,166 a frustrated response from the police. 87 00:11:53,166 --> 00:11:55,333 Like, would you finally just tell us the truth? 88 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,133 Like, this is getting old. But they never take the bait. 89 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,867 I think it's a really telling line when he goes, "I wouldn't 90 00:13:11,867 --> 00:13:14,333 want anyone to think that I did it on purpose." 91 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,233 It doesn't mean that he didn't do it on purpose. 92 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:18,100 He's just saying, "I don't want people to think 93 00:13:18,100 --> 00:13:19,367 I did it on purpose." 94 00:13:19,367 --> 00:13:23,033 And it's a line used to manipulate the police. 95 00:14:46,367 --> 00:14:50,433 Instead of just coming clean and doing the right thing, 96 00:14:50,500 --> 00:14:54,000 Martin now turns the tables on the detectives 97 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,166 and says that they're playing him. 98 00:14:56,166 --> 00:14:59,266 We see this with psychopathic individuals, that part of 99 00:14:59,266 --> 00:15:02,233 the smoke and mirrors tactic of trying to evade detection 100 00:15:02,300 --> 00:15:05,567 or evade responsibility is to put it on everybody else. 101 00:15:05,567 --> 00:15:06,934 Sometimes they blame the victim. 102 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,066 Sometimes they blame the system. 103 00:15:09,066 --> 00:15:11,767 They suggest that evidence has been planted on them, 104 00:15:11,767 --> 00:15:15,133 making outlandish and wild accusations that make 105 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:16,834 absolutely no sense. 106 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,333 It's the first time his face looks like it has a real expression. 107 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,233 He looks annoyed. 108 00:17:58,300 --> 00:18:00,834 And I think that's because he did have sex with her. 109 00:18:00,900 --> 00:18:02,767 So he is one of those people who would have sex 110 00:18:02,767 --> 00:18:04,166 with someone who is dead. 111 00:18:04,166 --> 00:18:05,367 But it's not part of his narrative. 112 00:18:05,367 --> 00:18:08,533 And we know that people with psychopathy have feelings that 113 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,400 can be really powerfully enraged, angry, and violent. 114 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,166 When investigators looked at his phone, they found very 115 00:19:17,166 --> 00:19:21,333 curious and concerning search engine pornography searches. 116 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,967 These kinds of things all suggest someone who has a very, 117 00:19:25,967 --> 00:19:28,867 very deviant fantasy, sexual contact with 118 00:19:28,867 --> 00:19:29,967 a dead body. 119 00:19:29,967 --> 00:19:32,166 There's only so much that a fantasy can take before 120 00:19:32,166 --> 00:19:36,133 you have to know what that actually feels like. 121 00:19:36,867 --> 00:19:40,300 So now he decides that it's time to engage in the act. 122 00:19:54,367 --> 00:19:56,166 My prayer is that the monster ball that brought 123 00:19:56,166 --> 00:19:58,433 a wrecking ball to my amazing family 124 00:19:58,500 --> 00:20:00,000 will never see freedom again. 125 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,467 I watched for almost two years an individual who showed 126 00:20:03,467 --> 00:20:06,967 no emotion, compassion, or remorse to taking 127 00:20:06,967 --> 00:20:08,767 someone's life. 128 00:20:08,767 --> 00:20:12,767 It's never given me joy to impose a sentence of life in 129 00:20:12,767 --> 00:20:16,133 prison without even the possibility of parole. 130 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,166 But in this case, it does give me an extraordinary sense 131 00:20:19,166 --> 00:20:20,166 of relief. 132 00:20:33,767 --> 00:20:36,000 We didn't raise you to be this kind of person. 133 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,166 Every parent's worst fear would before for their child 134 00:20:39,166 --> 00:20:41,567 to turn into a depraved killer.