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[theme music playing]

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The thing
inside of me, it's like...

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the appetite,
it's like a wolf that's...

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feeling...
the hunger.

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His demeanor and attitude are
not what you'd expect from,

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I think, a family member who is
closely connected

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and the guardian
of their grandparent,

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because he seems like it's kind
of an inconvenient thing

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for them to be
even asking about it,

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but he doesn't think things
really through very far.

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He responds in the moment.

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It's a little bit of
the impulsive responses we see

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in people with some forms
of psychopathy.

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They don't always
think about the second

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and third order effects.

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Like if I tell them this,

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then what comes next
and what comes next?

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That's why you hear
the detective reminding him

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"What's going to happen when
we check and she's not there?"

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Something's not adding up
and that there is a problem.

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[indistinct
police radio chatter]

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[police radio trills]

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[indistinct
police radio chatter]

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[Dr. Tussey]
Tincher says, "You know,
let's just speed this up,

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basically, I'll just go ahead
and tell you what happened."

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And it makes you wonder,
like, what, is he trying to

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speed it up for himself
or the investigators?

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You wonder if he's just trying
to speed it up for himself,

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because maybe he's seeing
the writing on the wall.

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He realizes that he's caught,
and he's just gonna go ahead

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and give that information over.

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It's an opportunity for him to
start to control the narrative.

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So what we hear is in that
immediate moment, he walks

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into the bathroom.

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He sees his grandmother lying
in a pool of her own blood

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with a fall in the shower.

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And he doesn't think first
about her care

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and her well-being
and getting her help.

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He thinks about his outstanding
warrant and going to jail.

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Most of us, reasonably,
would not go there.

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And that's the fundamental
difference when we start to

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think about psychopathic
individuals and the rest of us.

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Psychopathic individuals are
very focused on themselves.

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They don't experience emotions
in that normal range,

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the way the rest of us do.

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What they think about is
their own hindrances,

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their own difficulties,

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and how something's going to
impact them.

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[Dr. Sahni]
Tincher is showing us
that he's somebody

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who uses his opportunities
and the people who provide them

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to their fullest.

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And once he maxes that out,
like a credit card,

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he just dumps it and moves on.

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He took off, and he took off
to go play in Hawaii.

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And he had no plan.

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He had no direction other than
to evade authorities.

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And that parasitic tendency,
that willingness to live in

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an irresponsible manner,
and that very antisocial way of

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thinking is not uncommon
for psychopathic individuals.

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They don't have any real ties
to society, societal rules

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or norms or standards,
and they're not motivated by

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the same things
the rest of us are.

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So that intrinsic motivation
that propels most of us forward

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in life to do things in
a prosocial way, to do things

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in a way that society approves
of and allows us to blend in

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and exist, is not motivating to
a psychopathic person.

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[Dr. Morgan III]
If you look at carefully what
he said, he's gonna go,

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"If she died in the shower."

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He throws it in
as a conditional.

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It's an "if."

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He's using it as a way of
making his point.

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And then he says, "No, I don't
want to talk about it."

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I think still reinforces
the idea that the story
he's told us about

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the bathroom isn't the truth
of what's going on.

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I think he's throwing it out
there as these things

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and saying, "And the main point
of all this is no matter what

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happened to her, I'd still be
in trouble over this warrant,"

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as if it's the justification
for whatever he did.

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[Dr. Tussey]
He seems to have just tossed
her out and objectified her.

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He could have potentially
preserved her life by calling

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911 in the first place.

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He could have engaged and made
different decisions that could

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have changed
his entire trajectory.

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But everything seems very
transactional and all for

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his own goals in the long run,
and that is evading being

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arrested for this warrant
and, you know, having his life

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bankrolled without having to
put any effort into it himself.

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[Dr. Tussey]
I wonder if he's engaging in
some impression management,

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again, hopefully from
his perspective, eliciting some

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sympathy to show
this investigator

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how bad this hurt him.

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"It was so bad.
I was almost suicidal."

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But he wraps it up again

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with that spotlight
focused on himself.

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"And you know what, though?
Thank goodness there's hope."

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I mean, there's hope for him
staying alive, but there's not

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hope for his grandmother
and all of the people that

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he affected along the way.

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This idea, "I'm gonna keep
her," is sort of like viewing

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her as an object that's one of
his things to keep.

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She isn't a person who's passed
and about whom

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now the family needs to know
that she's passed

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so they can grieve.

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Like, she meant something to
a lot of people.

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As strange as families are,

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when somebody dies,
they at least have a chance to

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say goodbye to them
in their way.

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But she doesn't belong to
anybody else.

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She belongs to him.

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Tincher's very honest in this
moment, I think, in sharing

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that his goal is to live
as long as he can,

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enjoying his life,
not being taxed,

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not being vexed or stressed.

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And the benefit for him,
the big upside for him,

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was financial.

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As long as she
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he was living off those funds.

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That is as parasitic
as parasitic gets.

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[Dr. Tussey]
Whenever he stated, "All I care
about is the warrant,"

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I think that's one of the truest
statements he said this entire

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interview, because he is
focused on himself.

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This entire investigation,
this entire interview,

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he has been worried
about himself,

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and he's made that very clear.

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And so it didn't matter
what happened with
Grandmother's life.

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He was very cold and callous
as he described that.

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He engaged in behavior to
protect himself all along

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the way, from Grandma dying to
hiding from this warrant.

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We know individuals with
psychopathy will do whatever

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it takes to get their needs
and desires met.

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And that's what we see here.

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You know, an individual who has

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done everything he can
to serve himself.

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When we see the level of injury
as noted by the coroner,

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we still, we don't know
directly how the head,

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the blunt-force trauma to
the head was incurred.

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Did she really fall,

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or did he slam her head down
on the bathtub?

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We may never know that.

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What we do know by his own
admission is that he put

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her in the freezer,
and the coroner has noted that

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there's death related
to hypothermia.

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So the body's core temperature
is dropping and dropping

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and dropping because
she's in a freezer.

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But his actions alone are such
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murder because he did nothing
to help her, and he put her in

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a situation where he knew
she would die,

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and waited until she was dead,

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and didn't call for any help,

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and didn't provide any
assistance to her.