1 00:00:05,213 --> 00:00:08,383 NEWSREADER: A night of violence in northern Iowa 2 00:00:08,466 --> 00:00:10,927 has left two convenience store clerks dead 3 00:00:11,011 --> 00:00:13,638 in two separate shootings. 4 00:00:13,722 --> 00:00:17,934 A teenage gunman is accused of murdering a clerk in Algona 5 00:00:18,018 --> 00:00:21,604 and then heading south to gun down another clerk in Humboldt. 6 00:00:59,309 --> 00:01:01,394 (THEME MUSIC PLAYING) 7 00:01:09,694 --> 00:01:11,780 The thing inside of me, it's like... 8 00:01:13,698 --> 00:01:16,117 The appetite, it's like a wolf that's... 9 00:01:17,952 --> 00:01:20,497 ..feeling the hunger. 10 00:01:31,633 --> 00:01:33,718 (WIND WHISTLING) 11 00:03:13,943 --> 00:03:17,280 He has a complete disregard for supervision, 12 00:03:17,364 --> 00:03:20,784 for sanctions, for the legal and criminal system. 13 00:03:20,867 --> 00:03:23,828 And that's what we see with very criminally oriented people. 14 00:03:23,912 --> 00:03:27,707 It's also what we sometimes see with very, very impulsive people. 15 00:04:12,669 --> 00:04:16,214 I don't believe a statement like, "I don't know why I took the pistol." 16 00:04:16,297 --> 00:04:18,883 They think that his acquisition of guns and leaving 17 00:04:18,967 --> 00:04:22,804 was just going to be to extend what he'd already been fantasising about. 18 00:04:22,887 --> 00:04:24,973 He needs to be powerful. 19 00:04:25,056 --> 00:04:28,476 Psychopathic youths, the literature shows that they are more likely 20 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,062 to be carrying, specifically, firearms than say, 21 00:04:31,146 --> 00:04:34,315 a roll of nickels or a knife or some other type of weapon. 22 00:04:34,399 --> 00:04:37,235 Wanting to carry one, despite knowing you're essentially 23 00:04:37,318 --> 00:04:39,362 a fugitive from the law, 24 00:04:39,446 --> 00:04:43,033 and knowing that it carries really significant consequences with it, 25 00:04:43,116 --> 00:04:45,744 it's just very consistent with psychopathy. 26 00:05:17,275 --> 00:05:19,736 NEWSREADER: It all started in Algona, Iowa. 27 00:05:19,819 --> 00:05:22,489 Pretty heart-breaking story and unbelievable. 28 00:05:22,572 --> 00:05:25,241 NEWSREADER: Investigators say a man wearing a ski mask 29 00:05:25,325 --> 00:05:28,703 walked into the store and demanded Bowman-Hall put cash 30 00:05:28,787 --> 00:05:30,872 and cigarettes into a duffle bag. 31 00:05:30,955 --> 00:05:33,041 She did, and he shot her. 32 00:05:57,107 --> 00:05:59,192 (DOOR BELL JINGLES) 33 00:06:42,485 --> 00:06:44,696 (GUNSHOT) 34 00:06:44,779 --> 00:06:46,865 She thought the gun was fake. 35 00:06:46,948 --> 00:06:50,660 She's challenged his power and he shoots her. 36 00:06:50,744 --> 00:06:53,788 In his case, going for power 37 00:06:53,872 --> 00:06:58,126 is the way he is going to express his psychopathy. 38 00:06:58,209 --> 00:07:01,755 By standing up and re-enacting, I think he's showing off. 39 00:07:01,838 --> 00:07:06,009 I think he's proud of what he's done, and he wants to show someone what he has done. 40 00:07:06,092 --> 00:07:09,387 Swanson is really showing us all the markers 41 00:07:09,471 --> 00:07:11,556 of psychopathic behaviour. 42 00:07:18,104 --> 00:07:20,190 Um... 43 00:07:59,479 --> 00:08:01,981 Swanson doesn't have any real emotion. 44 00:08:02,065 --> 00:08:04,317 He's not upset or bothered by the fact 45 00:08:04,401 --> 00:08:06,486 that he took another human being's life. 46 00:08:06,569 --> 00:08:10,115 He is impulsive, he is detached. 47 00:08:10,198 --> 00:08:12,492 There's just no emotion. 48 00:08:12,575 --> 00:08:14,661 (ENGINE STARTS) 49 00:08:55,660 --> 00:08:59,330 When he was 17 years old, 50 00:08:59,414 --> 00:09:02,125 in 2010, just about a month before 51 00:09:02,208 --> 00:09:05,337 he committed these murders, he was evaluated. 52 00:09:05,420 --> 00:09:08,256 Michael was having some sexual and violent themes, 53 00:09:08,340 --> 00:09:11,259 and there was some concern that he had, and the staff had, 54 00:09:11,343 --> 00:09:14,679 about him being impulsive. Another excerpt says, 55 00:09:14,763 --> 00:09:17,098 "I am concerned that he poses a risk 56 00:09:17,182 --> 00:09:19,601 to society if unmedicated. 57 00:09:19,684 --> 00:09:23,605 And even if medicated, he is still somewhat unpredictable." 58 00:09:23,688 --> 00:09:27,233 That is a very strong conclusion. 59 00:09:27,317 --> 00:09:29,402 If I'm reading this report, 60 00:09:29,486 --> 00:09:32,072 and I'm Swanson's family, I'm scared. 61 00:09:32,155 --> 00:09:36,493 This evaluation is absolutely a warning sign. 62 00:09:37,452 --> 00:09:41,706 So, if we put this in context with the earlier reports saying, 63 00:09:41,790 --> 00:09:43,917 "Hey, since the age of three, 64 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,463 he's had trouble controlling emotions and behaviour, 65 00:09:48,546 --> 00:09:51,925 and he's oppositional and defiant." And then we add to the mix, 66 00:09:52,008 --> 00:09:54,928 writing about sexual issues and violence issues, 67 00:09:55,011 --> 00:09:57,180 we see this progression. 68 00:09:57,263 --> 00:09:59,349 It hasn't gone away. 69 00:09:59,432 --> 00:10:03,311 It seems to be expanding and becoming more pronounced. 70 00:10:03,395 --> 00:10:07,691 Because the doctor's terms are becoming more, um, intense, 71 00:10:07,774 --> 00:10:11,194 like, "severe" and "risk" and "unpredictable". 72 00:10:12,362 --> 00:10:14,447 So, the problem has grown. 73 00:10:36,136 --> 00:10:39,014 His anecdote about being high as a kite 74 00:10:39,097 --> 00:10:41,182 means that he was using enough 75 00:10:41,266 --> 00:10:44,185 to be completely disinhibited 76 00:10:44,269 --> 00:10:47,355 in a public space to take his clothes off. 77 00:10:47,439 --> 00:10:50,150 He has all the characteristic features 78 00:10:50,233 --> 00:10:52,318 that should alarm us. 79 00:11:28,146 --> 00:11:31,566 Swanson has this pattern of drug and alcohol use 80 00:11:31,649 --> 00:11:33,985 and is willing to try anything and everything. 81 00:11:34,069 --> 00:11:36,988 Thrill-seeking behaviour is one of those markers we look for 82 00:11:37,072 --> 00:11:40,283 in psychopathic behaviour and in trying to diagnose psychopathy. 83 00:11:40,367 --> 00:11:44,496 There is a relationship between impulse control and drug use, 84 00:11:44,579 --> 00:11:48,041 and there is a relationship between impulse control and psychopathy. 85 00:11:48,124 --> 00:11:51,169 People with psychopathy tend to... 86 00:11:51,252 --> 00:11:53,380 use drugs more. 87 00:11:53,463 --> 00:11:57,550 I think that's similar to what we're seeing here with Michael Swanson. 88 00:12:54,733 --> 00:12:54,993 2 00:12:23.480 -- 00:12:26.320 align:middle line:90% position:50% REPORTER: 25 miles south, a similar scene. 89 00:12:59,904 --> 00:13:03,283 61-year-old Sheila Myers was shot and killed 90 00:13:03,366 --> 00:13:06,578 while working behind the counter at the Kum and Go in Humboldt. 91 00:13:06,661 --> 00:13:09,706 She's been a clerk at the store for 13 years. 92 00:13:35,899 --> 00:13:39,069 The fact that it's an hour between the first and second kill 93 00:13:39,152 --> 00:13:42,697 is behaviour that absolutely is becoming compulsive. 94 00:13:42,781 --> 00:13:46,659 And, when you add in an emerging compulsivity 95 00:13:46,743 --> 00:13:50,872 with the fact that he's had impulse control problems his entire life, 96 00:13:50,955 --> 00:13:53,333 and he's a drug and alcohol abuser 97 00:13:53,416 --> 00:13:55,794 who is seeking that high, 98 00:13:55,877 --> 00:13:59,339 and in the process of upping that ante we've now gotten to a place 99 00:13:59,422 --> 00:14:01,966 where he's murdered someone. And he liked the high, 100 00:14:02,050 --> 00:14:04,219 he liked the thrill, um... 101 00:14:04,302 --> 00:14:06,388 and he needs it again. 102 00:15:05,822 --> 00:15:09,492 He thinks it's just kind of funny, like watching a comedy show 103 00:15:09,576 --> 00:15:11,870 where someone bangs their head on something. 104 00:15:11,953 --> 00:15:15,665 He has a complete lack of empathy about another human being. 105 00:15:15,749 --> 00:15:17,834 They're just objects. 106 00:15:17,917 --> 00:15:21,087 That indifference is just the hallmark of psychopathy, 107 00:15:21,171 --> 00:15:23,381 and it's pretty disturbing 108 00:15:23,465 --> 00:15:25,550 as he's not that old. 109 00:15:28,094 --> 00:15:31,639 I think Michael Swanson knows there's something... 110 00:15:31,723 --> 00:15:34,059 diabolical. 111 00:15:34,142 --> 00:15:37,228 Or that, that most of society would even call evil 112 00:15:37,312 --> 00:15:39,439 or something like that... 113 00:15:39,522 --> 00:15:42,233 ..by laughing right after you take another life. 114 00:15:44,569 --> 00:15:48,573 I think he accepts that about himself and embraces it... 115 00:15:50,492 --> 00:15:53,244 ..and shares it with the detective. 116 00:15:53,328 --> 00:15:56,164 I think that's quite likely a very honest report. 117 00:16:24,943 --> 00:16:27,028 He's jovial, he's laughing. 118 00:16:27,112 --> 00:16:30,615 I think that really taps into the high that he experienced. 119 00:16:30,699 --> 00:16:34,953 And, also, maybe some budding sadistic tendencies. 120 00:16:35,036 --> 00:16:37,747 This enjoyment that Swanson's showing us 121 00:16:37,831 --> 00:16:40,875 is highly consistent with psychopathic behaviour. 122 00:18:00,330 --> 00:18:02,415 (COUGHS) 123 00:18:36,074 --> 00:18:40,161 He's a 150% focused on his own well-being. 124 00:18:40,245 --> 00:18:43,498 How he's going to be, essentially, inconvenienced by his crime, 125 00:18:43,581 --> 00:18:47,335 and where he's going to be sent. This is classic to psychopaths. 126 00:18:47,419 --> 00:18:50,505 They don't care about others. 127 00:18:50,588 --> 00:18:52,674 It's 100% about him. 128 00:19:24,247 --> 00:19:27,709 Soldiers who've shot enemy combatants 129 00:19:27,792 --> 00:19:31,546 still feel something after that. He's not talking about 130 00:19:31,629 --> 00:19:34,215 an enemy combatant that he killed in the line of duty. 131 00:19:34,299 --> 00:19:37,260 He's talking about somebody across one or two state lines. 132 00:19:37,344 --> 00:19:41,014 This is so impulsive. This is so pleasure seeking, it must be mania. 133 00:19:41,097 --> 00:19:44,517 Swanson is not being straight with himself. 134 00:19:44,601 --> 00:19:46,686 He's not being, I think, honest. 135 00:19:46,770 --> 00:19:48,855 I don't actually think it is complicated. 136 00:19:48,938 --> 00:19:52,108 He doesn't feel bad because he's a psychopath. 137 00:19:52,192 --> 00:19:54,277 It is really that simple. 138 00:19:56,571 --> 00:19:58,656 (TELEPHONE LINE RINGING) 139 00:20:52,585 --> 00:20:55,839 Swanson's an entirely different person with different tone, 140 00:20:55,922 --> 00:20:59,134 different speech pattern. The pace with which he's talking, 141 00:20:59,217 --> 00:21:03,388 he's alive, he's animated, he's experiencing what feels like a high. 142 00:21:03,471 --> 00:21:07,434 There is a status element in his mind. 143 00:21:07,517 --> 00:21:10,687 He's bragging about what he's done, 144 00:21:10,770 --> 00:21:13,732 and he's acknowledging it felt good. 145 00:21:13,815 --> 00:21:16,943 So, these features of the mimicry, 146 00:21:17,027 --> 00:21:19,362 the thrill, the lack of remorse, 147 00:21:19,446 --> 00:21:21,656 enjoying it and bragging about it, 148 00:21:21,740 --> 00:21:24,576 those are significant features of psychopathy. 149 00:21:30,373 --> 00:21:34,002 NEWSREADER: The prosecution says Michael Swanson did this in part 150 00:21:34,085 --> 00:21:36,171 for the attention he got from it. 151 00:21:36,254 --> 00:21:38,340 The defence says, "He's insane, 152 00:21:38,423 --> 00:21:40,508 and he doesn't know right from wrong." 153 00:21:40,592 --> 00:21:45,096 REPORTER: The State then called a psychiatrist who interviewed Swanson after the crimes. 154 00:21:45,180 --> 00:21:48,975 He says Swanson told him he'd been planning to kill since he was 13. 155 00:21:49,059 --> 00:21:52,645 He said, "I have always been fascinated by death 156 00:21:52,729 --> 00:21:55,190 and violence, 157 00:21:55,273 --> 00:21:58,735 and it was something that I wanted to do - 158 00:21:58,818 --> 00:22:02,822 murder, rape, and cannibalism." 159 00:22:02,906 --> 00:22:06,534 Swanson's mother broke down when the doctor said this... 160 00:22:06,618 --> 00:22:09,204 His original plan was... 161 00:22:10,497 --> 00:22:12,582 ..to kill his parents. 162 00:22:12,665 --> 00:22:15,251 Those were the first two people he wanted to kill. 163 00:22:15,335 --> 00:22:19,047 And he's fully capable of deliberating, premediating, 164 00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:22,175 and forming this specific intent to kill. 165 00:22:22,258 --> 00:22:24,511 JURY MEMBER: Verdict number one - 166 00:22:24,594 --> 00:22:27,263 we find the Defendant guilty 167 00:22:27,347 --> 00:22:29,432 of murder in the first degree. 168 00:22:29,516 --> 00:22:32,894 REPORTER: Even after a jury convicted Michael Swanson, 169 00:22:32,977 --> 00:22:35,355 he smiled. 170 00:22:35,438 --> 00:22:38,483 Mr Swanson, how do you feel about the verdict? I'm good. 171 00:22:38,566 --> 00:22:42,320 REPORTER: Earlier in the day, Swanson added two obscene gestures 172 00:22:42,404 --> 00:22:44,489 to that ever-present smile. 173 00:22:52,956 --> 00:22:53,206 Subtitles by Deluxe