1 00:00:17,934 --> 00:00:19,602 (MAN SOBBING) 2 00:00:30,238 --> 00:00:32,532 (CHILLING MUSIC) 3 00:00:46,129 --> 00:00:48,214 (HAUNTING MUSIC) 4 00:00:51,134 --> 00:00:52,802 (STATIC CRACKLING) 5 00:00:57,974 --> 00:01:00,643 MAN: The thing inside of me, it's like... 6 00:01:02,062 --> 00:01:04,481 The appetite, it's like a wolf that's... 7 00:01:06,358 --> 00:01:08,985 ..feeling...the hunger. 8 00:01:17,744 --> 00:01:19,621 REPORTER: Around 2.30 Monday morning 9 00:01:19,704 --> 00:01:22,123 first responders are called to a car fire 10 00:01:22,207 --> 00:01:24,668 near the 22 mile marker of I-96. 11 00:01:24,751 --> 00:01:28,797 The body of a 37-year-old woman, identified as Lori Marie Vargas, 12 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,882 trapped and badly burned inside. 13 00:01:30,965 --> 00:01:33,051 (SOMBRE MUSIC) 14 00:01:37,347 --> 00:01:40,225 At first, it seemed like a deadly, fiery crash. 15 00:01:40,308 --> 00:01:41,810 But evidence at the scene, 16 00:01:41,893 --> 00:01:44,562 along with the man officers found walking near the crash, 17 00:01:44,646 --> 00:01:47,982 quickly led detectives to believe this case was something else. 18 00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:51,111 REPORTER 2: Police online records show 19 00:01:51,194 --> 00:01:53,947 45-year-old Donald Spice is being held. 20 00:01:57,117 --> 00:01:59,202 (MELANCHOLIC MUSIC) 21 00:02:02,414 --> 00:02:05,000 (CHILLING MUSIC) 22 00:02:06,126 --> 00:02:08,211 (SPICE EXHALES HEAVILY) 23 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,723 Mm... Um... 24 00:02:54,549 --> 00:02:56,426 (PENSIVE MUSIC) 25 00:03:01,598 --> 00:03:03,350 (MOBILE BUZZING) 26 00:03:22,786 --> 00:03:25,580 So, from a psychological defences perspective, 27 00:03:25,663 --> 00:03:27,457 we would say that is projection. 28 00:03:27,540 --> 00:03:32,337 Because he's attributing to her attitudes he, in fact, holds himself. 29 00:03:32,420 --> 00:03:36,800 I don't think he really was totally happy in the relationship at all. 30 00:03:36,883 --> 00:03:38,593 He's very calm. 31 00:03:38,677 --> 00:03:42,972 He refers to it in the past tense, that 'I WAS her fiance.' 32 00:03:43,056 --> 00:03:46,017 And he's beginning to set the stage that, 33 00:03:46,101 --> 00:03:50,397 'Things were kind of fine with me, but something was wrong with her.' 34 00:04:12,043 --> 00:04:14,671 I didn't believe it, not because he said he cried. 35 00:04:14,754 --> 00:04:19,342 I didn't believe it because he, he presents Lori Vargas as this 36 00:04:19,426 --> 00:04:23,221 crazy woman who was out of control with her emotions. 37 00:04:24,431 --> 00:04:27,809 He says she's irrational, which many abusive men do. 38 00:04:27,892 --> 00:04:32,397 DR MORGAN: The technique of blaming somebody else for what's going on 39 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,068 is very common in people who have psychopathy. 40 00:04:37,152 --> 00:04:41,406 This behaviour is definitely related to power and control, 41 00:04:41,489 --> 00:04:44,576 and it's related to obtaining their objective. 42 00:04:46,119 --> 00:04:48,830 (DOOR OPENS) MALE OFFICER: OK. 43 00:04:58,798 --> 00:05:00,884 (CHILLING MUSIC) 44 00:05:19,194 --> 00:05:21,488 (OMINOUS MUSIC) 45 00:05:33,500 --> 00:05:35,585 (GASPING SOB) 46 00:05:53,144 --> 00:05:55,438 He just says, 'I didn't want to hurt her.' 47 00:05:55,522 --> 00:05:58,274 I believe that part, but I think he wanted to kill her. 48 00:05:58,358 --> 00:06:01,277 His own thinking was, 'I want to get rid of her.' 49 00:06:01,361 --> 00:06:03,571 'But maybe I didn't want to make her suffer.' 50 00:06:41,359 --> 00:06:44,320 That's what we would call a Freudian slip. 51 00:06:44,404 --> 00:06:46,197 That, I believe, indicates 52 00:06:46,281 --> 00:06:49,534 he knew she's already dead, he's already killed her. 53 00:06:50,493 --> 00:06:53,329 Little phrases and lines make it sound like, 54 00:06:53,413 --> 00:06:58,209 in the eye of the investigator, that this was hurtful to him. 55 00:07:27,072 --> 00:07:29,157 (SPICE SOBS) 56 00:07:33,078 --> 00:07:35,163 (CHILLING MUSIC) 57 00:07:50,261 --> 00:07:54,933 DR RAGHAVAN: I'm a bit speechless at the pointlessness of this detail. 58 00:07:55,016 --> 00:07:58,228 The story as is told, makes no sense. 59 00:07:58,311 --> 00:08:02,732 A woman with no history of violence, no history of volatility, 60 00:08:02,816 --> 00:08:05,193 would not pick up a knife and threaten a dog. 61 00:08:07,737 --> 00:08:10,740 Sometimes people say things that they actually thought, 62 00:08:10,824 --> 00:08:12,951 and they attribute it to the other person. 63 00:08:13,034 --> 00:08:16,621 So, I wonder if he picked up Chico to kill the dog... 64 00:08:18,707 --> 00:08:21,251 ..to show her that he meant business. 65 00:08:21,334 --> 00:08:24,796 Psychopaths often do. They torture animals. 66 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:27,340 They, they keep pets, and they torture them. 67 00:08:27,424 --> 00:08:28,925 It's, it's horrific. 68 00:08:29,009 --> 00:08:31,594 And perhaps he threatened to kill the dog, 69 00:08:31,678 --> 00:08:35,724 which abusive men often do, to show that they mean business. 70 00:08:35,807 --> 00:08:37,892 DR MORGAN: This is an appeal to pity. 71 00:08:37,976 --> 00:08:40,687 There is a cultural norm in our society that, 72 00:08:40,770 --> 00:08:43,940 you're a good person if you're good to a dog. 73 00:08:44,024 --> 00:08:47,944 Dogs are our friends. Dogs are, are wonderful, and it's only... 74 00:08:48,028 --> 00:08:52,866 It's a bad person who would threaten to kill a dog or mistreat a dog. 75 00:08:52,949 --> 00:08:55,035 (SINISTER MUSIC) 76 00:08:56,119 --> 00:08:59,622 Donald's Spice's presentation of the story, 77 00:08:59,706 --> 00:09:04,169 it adds to the element that she's evil, he's good. 78 00:09:04,252 --> 00:09:06,379 She's an evil person. 79 00:09:08,006 --> 00:09:10,884 He's essentially saying she picks up the dog and says, 80 00:09:10,967 --> 00:09:14,387 'I'm gonna kill this thing' and, and then the murder happens. 81 00:09:14,471 --> 00:09:17,474 I think it's all setting the stage for what's about to come. 82 00:09:17,557 --> 00:09:19,392 I think it is manipulative. 83 00:10:18,368 --> 00:10:21,287 You usually say it's love that sweeps you off your feet. 84 00:10:21,371 --> 00:10:25,208 But in this case, it's a hammer. There is an element of the dramatic. 85 00:10:25,291 --> 00:10:27,961 But I, I do think that that's part of what happens 86 00:10:28,044 --> 00:10:30,714 when people are telling a story that's just not true. 87 00:10:31,673 --> 00:10:35,468 In reality, it's very likely she was asleep in the bed 88 00:10:35,552 --> 00:10:38,805 or in a position of helplessness at the time. 89 00:10:38,888 --> 00:10:42,225 But it's implied, he's saving the dog from her. 90 00:11:18,136 --> 00:11:23,600 Blood makes a lot of people with core psychopathic features, feel alive. 91 00:11:23,683 --> 00:11:28,146 While he's not visibly showing a lot of emotion, 92 00:11:28,229 --> 00:11:31,191 the kind of details he provides 93 00:11:31,274 --> 00:11:34,444 really makes you feel like he's enjoying describing it. 94 00:11:54,255 --> 00:11:56,341 (SOBBING HYSTERICALLY) 95 00:11:58,176 --> 00:12:00,261 (MUMBLING) 96 00:12:01,513 --> 00:12:03,598 (SNIFFS) 97 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,725 (CHILLING MUSIC) 98 00:12:26,287 --> 00:12:27,664 SPICE: Uh... 99 00:13:00,196 --> 00:13:01,656 (SPICE SNIFFS LOUDLY) 100 00:13:04,659 --> 00:13:09,998 Why on earth he would put her in the passenger seat and drive around? 101 00:13:10,081 --> 00:13:13,376 A polite way to put it, is it's downright peculiar. 102 00:13:13,460 --> 00:13:16,588 Perhaps he wanted to have a corpse next to him 103 00:13:16,671 --> 00:13:20,467 and get the thrill of driving around with a dead body, 104 00:13:20,550 --> 00:13:24,471 that would have been no thrill if he put her in the trunk. 105 00:13:24,554 --> 00:13:27,390 He enjoyed deceiving everybody along the way. 106 00:13:28,308 --> 00:13:30,477 He was able to do that. 107 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:34,856 He didn't seem terribly emotionally distressed over that. 108 00:13:34,939 --> 00:13:37,817 He's describing it with relative calm, 109 00:13:37,901 --> 00:13:40,278 which is all not normal. 110 00:13:40,362 --> 00:13:44,324 Psychopaths don't have the same connectivity to other people. 111 00:13:44,407 --> 00:13:46,910 Other people are objects, they're things, 112 00:13:46,993 --> 00:13:49,954 and they can depersonalize them rather quickly. 113 00:13:50,038 --> 00:13:51,831 And so, now that she's dead... 114 00:13:51,915 --> 00:13:54,000 Um, she's gone. 115 00:13:54,084 --> 00:13:57,337 Uh, I think in his mind, at that particular point, 116 00:13:57,420 --> 00:14:00,173 this was on the way to achieving his ultimate goal. 117 00:14:44,884 --> 00:14:48,513 REPORTER: Donald Spice is so comfortable in a courtroom 118 00:14:48,596 --> 00:14:51,099 he actually stopped for a chat about his case, 119 00:14:51,182 --> 00:14:53,268 the third of his criminal career. 120 00:14:53,351 --> 00:14:55,937 Actually, it's...the... 121 00:14:57,605 --> 00:14:59,858 ..third time of being really stupid. 122 00:14:59,941 --> 00:15:02,068 It was desperation. 123 00:15:02,152 --> 00:15:04,863 Apparently, Spice is a pretty desperate person. 124 00:15:04,946 --> 00:15:06,614 He's been here before. 125 00:15:06,698 --> 00:15:09,617 Though he was a bit shyer six years ago. 126 00:15:09,701 --> 00:15:12,954 This video is from his 1991 case. 127 00:15:13,038 --> 00:15:16,082 Spice was actually on a tether for a previous B&E 128 00:15:16,166 --> 00:15:19,294 when he burglarized the Profile Salon on Alpine. 129 00:15:19,377 --> 00:15:22,964 That same night, Spice hit the Alpine Super Wash, 130 00:15:23,048 --> 00:15:27,761 ended up back behind bars, and yes, the cycle began again. 131 00:15:27,844 --> 00:15:31,348 Spice served five years before getting out last July, 132 00:15:31,431 --> 00:15:34,684 and immediately tried to break in to another business. 133 00:15:34,768 --> 00:15:39,397 Having problems getting money, uh, borrowing money. 134 00:15:39,481 --> 00:15:41,900 But police say it's not about money. 135 00:15:41,983 --> 00:15:45,320 Spice is just addicted to breaking and entering. 136 00:15:45,403 --> 00:15:46,946 No, I am not that. 137 00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:51,117 The police are trying to make me out to be an, uh, obsessive person. 138 00:15:52,827 --> 00:15:54,954 DR MORGAN: I think he is obsessive. 139 00:15:55,038 --> 00:15:57,415 I think he plans and plots and schemes. 140 00:15:57,499 --> 00:16:02,253 It's a pattern that he will engage in over and over and over again. He's not going to stop. 141 00:16:02,337 --> 00:16:07,050 What Donald Spice is obsessed with, is the excitement and the winning. 142 00:16:07,133 --> 00:16:10,053 It's, it's setting out a plan, 143 00:16:10,136 --> 00:16:12,847 and beating other people at something. 144 00:16:12,931 --> 00:16:16,726 There's a progression of the intensity of the crime, 145 00:16:16,810 --> 00:16:20,605 so that he could have more of a thrill and a bigger gain. 146 00:16:42,669 --> 00:16:45,171 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC) 147 00:17:08,737 --> 00:17:10,613 (SOBBING) 148 00:17:11,698 --> 00:17:14,075 (CHILLING MUSIC) 149 00:17:42,645 --> 00:17:46,066 DR RAGHAVAN: Spice was not interested in Lori Vargas 150 00:17:46,149 --> 00:17:48,985 as a beautiful, sensual woman. 151 00:17:49,069 --> 00:17:52,614 I believe he was setting up the murder from the start. 152 00:17:52,697 --> 00:17:55,200 Psychopaths are frequently predators. 153 00:17:55,283 --> 00:17:59,913 And so, he likely looked for someone he thought he could fool, 154 00:17:59,996 --> 00:18:02,582 he thought he could con, 155 00:18:02,665 --> 00:18:05,418 he thought he could seduce, importantly. 156 00:18:05,502 --> 00:18:10,006 And then later on, murder in a way he thought he could get away with. 157 00:18:10,090 --> 00:18:13,843 DR MORGAN: Lori Vargas was a mother of two. 158 00:18:13,927 --> 00:18:18,056 She would fall potentially into a category of people who'd be more vulnerable, 159 00:18:18,139 --> 00:18:20,558 especially she's working as a single mother. 160 00:18:20,642 --> 00:18:22,811 That pattern fits a targeting pattern 161 00:18:22,894 --> 00:18:25,480 that many psychopaths and sociopaths have. 162 00:18:25,563 --> 00:18:28,024 The irony is that although they don't attach 163 00:18:28,108 --> 00:18:31,695 as profoundly to other people as healthy people do, 164 00:18:31,778 --> 00:18:35,448 they know who needs to feel an attachment. 165 00:18:53,591 --> 00:18:55,844 DR MORGAN: I don't think he's sorry at all. 166 00:18:55,927 --> 00:19:00,306 Donald Spice is framing his actions as something that are kind. 167 00:19:00,390 --> 00:19:03,351 'I'm really not a monster. I do kind things.' 168 00:19:03,435 --> 00:19:07,022 I see that as the selfish manipulation of his, 169 00:19:07,105 --> 00:19:10,775 of the image he's trying to convey to the police officer 170 00:19:10,859 --> 00:19:13,236 to try and get maybe a little empathy. 171 00:19:13,319 --> 00:19:15,780 The problem is, is that he sucks at it. 172 00:19:15,864 --> 00:19:18,908 DR RAGHAVAN: So he's progressing to the end goal. 173 00:19:18,992 --> 00:19:22,495 But along that progress, are all of these little things 174 00:19:22,579 --> 00:19:25,415 that are horrific for us, but that gives him pleasure. 175 00:19:25,498 --> 00:19:29,753 So, the seduction, the killing, then the staging of the killing. 176 00:19:29,836 --> 00:19:31,921 And then he explodes the car 177 00:19:32,005 --> 00:19:35,342 and he gets a pleasure from probably the sheer violence of it. 178 00:19:35,425 --> 00:19:39,346 But also, that's part of the storyline that he's created for himself. 179 00:19:52,275 --> 00:19:56,780 REPORTER: Today, prosecutors lay down evidence suggesting the murder was pre-planned. 180 00:19:56,863 --> 00:19:58,990 They say months before the murder, 181 00:19:59,074 --> 00:20:02,118 someone used Spice's credit card and his computer 182 00:20:02,202 --> 00:20:05,830 to purchase a life insurance policy on Lori Vargas. 183 00:20:05,914 --> 00:20:08,875 They say Spice was listed as the sole beneficiary. 184 00:20:19,594 --> 00:20:22,389 Spice refuted the evidence presented today. 185 00:20:22,472 --> 00:20:26,351 They don't have proof of that. They have to allege it! 186 00:20:26,434 --> 00:20:29,813 That's it. That's good enough. I'm guilty until proven innocent! 187 00:20:29,896 --> 00:20:32,023 I'm standing here in cuffs and shackles! 188 00:20:32,107 --> 00:20:34,442 DR MORGAN: He sounds annoyed, he sounds angry, 189 00:20:34,526 --> 00:20:38,238 which is probably the most genuine emotion that we have seen from him. 190 00:20:38,321 --> 00:20:41,324 He's even lower on empathy than I imagined. 191 00:20:41,408 --> 00:20:46,371 What we see now is the ruthless planning. 192 00:20:46,454 --> 00:20:49,666 Lori Vargas's murder is part of a long continuum 193 00:20:49,749 --> 00:20:52,460 of criminal behaviour and using other people 194 00:20:52,544 --> 00:20:54,963 and taking other people's things. 195 00:20:55,046 --> 00:20:58,174 DR RAGHAVAN: And then it escalated to a predatory crime 196 00:20:58,258 --> 00:21:01,302 where he planned a murder, and he wanted a big pay-out 197 00:21:01,386 --> 00:21:04,514 where he could idly and parasitically live off, 198 00:21:04,597 --> 00:21:07,183 um, you know, this insurance. 199 00:21:07,267 --> 00:21:09,811 The thrill of planning the murder, 200 00:21:09,894 --> 00:21:11,980 and the thrill of disposing of the body 201 00:21:12,063 --> 00:21:14,190 and the thrill of fooling the police, 202 00:21:14,274 --> 00:21:16,443 all of that is part of the fantasy. 203 00:21:16,526 --> 00:21:20,947 Mr Spice has all the characteristics of a classic psychopath. 204 00:21:27,245 --> 00:21:30,457 REPORTER: Donald Spice was sentenced to life in prison 205 00:21:30,540 --> 00:21:33,960 for killing his girlfriend and mother of two, Lori Vargas. 206 00:21:34,044 --> 00:21:37,088 Today, in court, her two children spoke. 207 00:21:37,172 --> 00:21:41,217 CHILD: I call him monster because he took my mum away from me. 208 00:21:41,301 --> 00:21:45,930 This will affect my life because I'm not going to grow up with a mum. 209 00:21:55,398 --> 00:21:57,484 (MAN EXCLAIMS IN DISGUST) 210 00:22:18,338 --> 00:22:20,632 (SOMBRE MUSIC) 211 00:22:36,523 --> 00:22:38,608 subtitles by Deluxe