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MAN: Yo, what's going on?
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MAN: As you can see...
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MAN: Me and my crew have this,
we compress it,
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we cut it and we distribute
it to other vendors.
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MAN: We're breaking it down,
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use like baking soda,
cutting it up and everything.
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It'll value up to more,
like double or triple,
depends how you cut it.
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But you can't (bleep) it up.
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MAN: Would you
like to try some?
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CAMERAMAN: I'm okay thank you.
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MAN 2: Make sure you
cover my face up.
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CAMERAMAN: Yep,
I'm not filming ya.
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MAN: Okay, okay relax.
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Just finish with him so we
can get him out of here.
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MAN: Well, I knew the
Mafia were in this game,
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but I don't know
if they still are.
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Okay, that's it, too much.
You can cut it.
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MAN: Yes, that's enough.
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REPORTER: Shake this
square world and blast
off for kicksville.
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NIXON: America's public enemy
number one is drug abuse.
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NANCY: Just say no.
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MAN: The Mafia is a major
player in the international
drug underworld.
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MAN 2: At the end of the day,
it's all about the dollar,
it's all about the dollar.
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REAGAN: American people
want the mob and its associates
brought to justice and
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their power broken.
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HARRIS: There's now an
understanding that the war on
drugs was an abject failure.
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REPORTER: You have to
stop and ask yourself,
how did we get here?
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(overlapping chatter)
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WILLIAMS: Just so we
all agree here,
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it's never good
to glorify a mobster but if
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you're a fan of the genre,
it's okay to love Goodfellas.
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REPORTER 2: Henry Hill is not
nearly as handsome as actor
Ray Liotta who played Hill in
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the film Goodfellas.
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CREW: We're rolling cameras.
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RICK: My name is Rick Leahy.
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I was the first FBI Agent
that operated Henry Hill.
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I don't think anybody could
have predicted the role
Henry would ultimately play,
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and I don't just mean
in the movie Goodfellas.
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ED: Henry Hill became this
infamous character, you know,
in organized crime lore.
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Henry was one of
those that really made
cooperating a thing.
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RICK: Henry sent over
50 people to prison.
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(sirens)
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KAREN: It's been
40 years since I've,
since I've spoken about this.
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You know, I was very young,
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just 18, going on 19,
when I met him.
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I'm Karen Hill and I was
the wife of Henry Hill.
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He did take me to
like the Copacabana.
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You know we'd get to
see the shows there.
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We met Peggy Lee,
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Sammy Davis Jr,
one of my favorites,
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the Supremes.
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It was like something
from a movie, I think.
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He was just happy‐go‐lucky,
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and I was raised
a little stricter and
it was like sunshine,
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you know, he was like sunshine.
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I laughed a lot.
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We got married in 1965.
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I didn't know who
Paul Vario was.
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I really didn't know until
after we were married
and who these people were.
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GINA: My dad from the time
I can remember, he never
called me by my first name,
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he always called me Princess.
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My name is Gina Hill and
I'm Henry Hill's daughter.
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My father had a terrible
time paying attention in
school and it's ultimately
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what led him to the cab stand.
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Uncle Pauly ran
the cab stand and it was
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basically the headquarters
for all their operations,
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legal and illegal.
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Pauly was like a
dad to my father.
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GINA: There's five families,
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five mafia
families from New York.
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Uncle Pauly was a Capo
and the Lucchese family.
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My father could not
be a made man because of
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he wasn't 100% Sicilian,
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but it didn't matter.
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Uncle Pauly gave him
basically the key to the city,
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as they say in the mob world.
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It gave him the respect and
it gave him the protection
that my father would need to
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continue criminal
activities going forward.
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Everything from gambling,
prostitution, arson,
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you name it, they were doing it.
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Except drugs.
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My Uncle Pauly was very
against drug dealing.
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RICK: Mafia rules were
don't get engaged in
narcotics trafficking.
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They were very concerned
about somebody being prosecuted
under the narcotics laws and
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subsequently turning informant.
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RICK: I was in
the Queen's office.
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We're very, very
close to Kennedy Airport
and a significant portion
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of the air traffic into
Kennedy is freight.
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BOB (over TV):
Billions of dollars' worth of
merchandise from all over the
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planet passes through
Kennedy Airport's cargo area.
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RICK: If you were
someone who was inclined
to be a truck hijacker,
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you had literally
just wandered into
the enchanted forest.
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Well, Jimmy Burke was very
big in truck hijackings.
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GINA: I really
loved Uncle Jimmy.
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I loved him so much.
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KAREN: He was a
smiling Irishman.
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He loved the song, Danny Boy.
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That's what we'd put
on and he loved it.
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GINA: Every one of
my dad's friends had
a great side to them,
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just like my dad.
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ED: Jimmy Burke, Henry Hill,
were part of that crew.
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And that crew generates
money, illicitly.
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RICK: These guys
had their fingers pretty
deeply into the airport.
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They had been dealing with
truck hijackings for years.
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RICK: And then they'd
kick up the chain a
certain percentage to the Capo,
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Paul Vario, and
that's how it works.
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GINA: Things start looking
up and my dad was able to
own the restaurant‐bar and
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we lived in a luxury
apartment building in Queens.
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And it was in that
same luxury apartment that my
mother told me that daddy has
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to go away for a while.
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KAREN: He went into
Lewisburg not on drugs.
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He didn't even think about
that, mainly because Pauly
didn't want him to do it,
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so he thought that
that was a closed door.
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GINA: Everybody's on their
own when the breadwinner
goes away, so to speak.
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As far as any help from
my father's associate,
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an occasional handout
from Uncle Pauly.
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No consistent
help financially.
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GINA: My father realized
how much money he could make
dealing heroin through his
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associate that he
met in Lewisburg.
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When he came home,
the risk versus the reward,
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I guess he saw it as worth
it at that point in time.
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ED: Pauly Vario didn't
want drugs in his crew.
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And Henry now was always
in a drug induced stupor.
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Jimmy Burke
became very nervous.
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RICK: Jimmy Burke was not a
man to be pushed particularly.
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After getting the
green light to conduct
the Lufthansa robbery.
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REPORTER: The biggest robbery
in our country's history and
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it happened right
here in New York.
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ANTHONY:
Federal agents are calling
it the largest cash robbery
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in the nation's history.
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ED: That day,
December 11th, 1978,
a regular day for me.
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I report to the office but
as soon as I got there,
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we were being dispatched to the
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Lufthansa cargo building
and that's when we started
to realize that there was an
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extensive robbery,
the Lufthansa Robbery.
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REPORTER:
Six‐million‐dollar robbery.
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A band of robbers,
six and perhaps seven
men wearing ski masks,
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drove around to
the loading dock.
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The robbers pistol‐whipped
one guard and handcuffed
nine others before escaping
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in a black van.
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They took 30
shipments of gold,
pearls, jewelry and checks.
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RICK: This was a big one.
We knew who had done it.
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What we couldn't
do was prove it.
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REPORTER: So far, the
Lufthansa Robbery seems like
the almost perfect crime,
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except there could be
one important weak link.
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RICK: The van that was
used was turned over
to Stacks Edwards.
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Stacks' job was to
take that van to a facility
in New Jersey where
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it would be crushed.
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Stacks that evening
came up with another plan;
see a girlfriend,
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celebrate the success of
the robbery and he parked
in a no‐parking zone.
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REPORTER: Police have
recovered the getaway van.
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A Brooklyn traffic cop
on routine patrol spotted
it abandoned on a street
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in East Flatbush.
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RICK: Within the matter of
about 48 hours, Stacks took
about four or five bullets
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into the back of his head,
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and they found his
body the next morning.
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That was the first one.
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GINA: I didn't hear any
conversation about Stacks,
other than he disappeared,
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no one's heard from Stacks.
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ED: We were FBI Agents
and there is no other
way to investigate this
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but to interview people.
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But every time we'd
go out to interview someone,
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they would get murdered
or hit within days.
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REPORTER: Today,
another man turned up dead
in the trunk of a car,
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the sixth victim in
less than a week.
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Police found the bodies of
two known hoods down a quiet
street corner in Brooklyn.
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There's a lot of speculation
they may have been killed
because they knew too much
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about that big Lufthansa
Robbery at Kennedy Airport.
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RICK: A large number of
the players that we knew
were involved in it,
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ended up very dead.
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So there weren't anybody that
we could turn as a source.
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ED: They would appear in
some gruesome locations and
manner in which they died.
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REPORTER: Nassau County
businesswoman has been missing
for the past four days.
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Detectives searching for
the woman suspect foul play.
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ED: Her name was
Theresa Ferrara.
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She wasn't physically
involved in the crime,
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but she happened to
have been told about some
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of the details of the
Lufthansa Robbery.
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ED: Her legs, her arms,
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her head, her breasts were cut
off and she was recovered in the
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Hudson River
somewhere in New York,
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and we were able
to identify her through an
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appendix scar that she had.
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GINA: Marty Krugman
was the big one.
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I overheard my mom and my
dad fighting terribly over
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what happened to Marty.
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I'm listening to this
like around the corner,
you know, eavesdropping.
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All I heard was,
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"Karen, I don't (bleep) know,
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he's probably cut up into
a million pieces by now."
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KAREN: He begged for
Marty Krugman's life.
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He said, "Jimmy, what is he
gonna do? He was harmless."
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ED: Anybody who had
any information about
the robbery was killed
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by Jimmy Burke.
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Marty brought the scheme
to rob Lufthansa to Henry.
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Henry of course brings
it to Jimmy Burke who
actually commits it.
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Henry was the linchpin.
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RICK: Henry was a
very valuable witness.
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So our concern was somebody
was gonna get to him and
there would go our prime
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witness in a case that we're
having a very difficult time
finding prime witnesses,
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'cause we were pulling
too many of them out of
the trunks of their cars.
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GINA: The reality of his
friends disappearing and
doing recreational drugs,
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it all came together
like a perfect storm.
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It was clearly frying
his brain and affecting
his decision making.
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KAREN: He made his
connections out of state.
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I saw cocaine and some heroin,
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pills, people coming in
and out, and I'd say to him,
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"what are you doing?"
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GINA: It was just
a hot mess, as they say,
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and I don't think he could
see his way out of it.
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ROBERT: All kinds of narcotics
come through Kennedy Airport.
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Seizures have been
primarily coke and heroin
for a number of years now.
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ROBERT: We try to stay one
step ahead of the smugglers
and we do a pretty good of it.
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So, if you're thinking
about coming to Kennedy
Airport with narcotics,
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you'd better be well prepared.
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ROBERT: How long do you think
you're gonna be here sir?
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MAN: Only two weeks.
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ROBERT: Any food?
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MAN: No, no, no.
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ROBERT: And what's this?
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We're gonna open it
up and hopefully for
you it's just fruit.
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Does that look like
fruit salad to you?
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This is the can that
we started to open
out at the exam table.
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This is a positive
test for cocaine.
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It's about five kilos.
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We're looking at a retail
value probably over $500,00
by the time it's all
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chopped up and sold.
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GEORGE: Long Island has
always tried to avoid the
problems of New York City.
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It's very suburban,
lots of trees, parks.
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When I first started
in the narcotics squad,
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the drug use really
started to increase.
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REPORTER: Narcotics of
all kinds may be coming
in through Long Island.
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JERRY: There was a
local level drug dealer,
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that he didn't
drive a fancy car,
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he didn't live in a fancy home,
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so he was pretty much
under the radar so to speak.
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GEORGE: Unbeknownst to us,
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the FBI was running
a case on him and so
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the FBI didn't know
we were running one,
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we didn't know the
FBI was running one.
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GEORGE: That's as
good as I can do it.
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JERRY: We used
every resource we had;
electronic surveillance,
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aerial surveillance
with helicopters,
static surveillance.
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DETECTIVE (over speaker):
Detective Aylward, shield numbe
469, conversation between
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Karen Hill and Henry Hill.
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KAREN (over phone): Hello.
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HENRY (over phone): Yeah.
KAREN (over phone): Hi, hold on
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KAREN: You know a
neighbor, he said,
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"I saw people going through
your garbage and then
they took bags of it away."
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GINA: And I went to
him and I said,
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"daddy, there's guys filming
the house, guys in suits."
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He just looked
at me and he says,
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"yeah I know and they're
also listening to the phones."
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KAREN: If I go to make
a phone call, you know,
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they're just talking
to one another.
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KAREN: I said,
"excuse me I'd like
to make a phone call."
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And I heard click,
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and of course I put the
phone down and I picked it up,
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there was a dial tone.
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JERRY: They had arrest
warrants and they also had
search warrants for his
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residence and his,
you know, stash house.
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And it was time to shut it
down and make the arrests.
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GEORGE: I was assigned with
my fellow detective Richie Hip,
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to sit on Henry's house,
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and we're all set
up and Richie leans
over to me and says,
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"that's Henry,
coming out of the house.
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Take him down."
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GINA: The next thing I knew,
I saw all these lights,
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and strange men are
ordering my mother around.
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From that moment, that was
the beginning of the end.
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GEORGE: We put the cuffs
on him and we all headed
back to narcotics.
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He's really being
defiant, he's saying,
"you got nothing on me,"
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and he's being a real wise guy.
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And I walked over to the
evidence box and inside
there was a big sifter,
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they used it to cut the drugs,
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and I took that sifter out
and I walked over to him and I
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bopped him on the top
of the head with it and
the powder came all over
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his head and shoulders and says,
"now we got plenty on you."
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And all of a sudde, his
whole complexion changed,
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he just said, "you got me."
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Later on that evening,
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the FBI came to Police
Headquarters to interview
Henry without our knowledge.
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RICK: I was in bed
when the phone rang.
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It's the middle of the night.
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We gotta drive over to the
Hempstead County Prison,
Henry's been arrested.
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I was like, "whoa."
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So we headed over
to the Hempstead County
lockup and there was
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Henry, bouncing all over
the wall and ceilings.
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He's going a mile a minute,
he's speaking so quickly,
I'm trying to take notes,
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it was like trying to
get a drink of water
from a fire hose,
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and all he kept screaming,
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and he would
literally scream it,
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"Burke is going
to blanking kill me.
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Burke is gonna kill me."
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Henry knew he was
a dead man walking.
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He was headed
for a dirt nap.
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He was desperate to get out.
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REPORTER: Organized criminals
punished treason by death.
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The witnesses who do testify
against them know they
are marked for execution.
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For them, the
Federal Government
has a unique program.
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ED: We had to keep Henry
safe and also his family safe,
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because he was a
target of Jimmy Burke.
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GINA: My father said,
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"Princess, if it
meant getting to me,
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he would have stuffed
you and your brother
into a refrigerator."
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KAREN: And that was it.
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I went on the program.
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RIVERA: They can't
hurt you, because once
you testify against them,
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you're going to become
invisible, disappear,
go underground.
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KAREN: Turning over birth
certificates, driver's license,
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being told I don't exist,
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broke my heart.
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ED: Within days, two days,
Henry, he had already signed
his cooperation agreement,
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to fully cooperate
on all matters.
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MCDONALD: We were having
Henry come to my office every
day and we were debriefing him
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about the Lufthansa Robbery.
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I'm Edward McDonald,
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I was the attorney in
charge of the Federal
Organized Crime Strike Force
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in Brooklyn.
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And, of course Henry said,
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"well yeah, of course Jimmy
was involved in the whole thing,
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he planned the whole robbery
and Vario knew all about it."
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"Alright, well what
corroboration do
you have for that Henry?"
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"Well, I don't have any
corroboration for that."
Because Burke had cleverly
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gone out and executed
many of the people who
made him vulnerable.
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I figured out pretty quickly
that we were not gonna
be able to make a case on
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Burke for the Lufthansa robbery.
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MCDONALD: His memory,
off the top of his head,
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wasn't so good.
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He had a significant narcotics
problem by the time we began
to deal with him in mid‐1980.
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He started using coke and
he was doing Quaaludes.
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ED: You could tell when
he was on something.
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This guy couldn't
concentrate on a topic.
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He knows enough to
go down a road but
doesn't know the details.
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I asked him,
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"Henry, what were you
doing with Jimmy Burke and
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Paul Vario to put
food on your table,
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in other words, what crimes
were you committing?"
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And he said, "oh nah,
I wasn't committing any crimes,
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I was just fixing
some basketball games."
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And I said,
"you were doing what?"
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He said, "I was fixing games."
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And I said, "Henry, that's
against the law, alright."
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We brought him into
McDonald's office and
we sat in front of him,
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I says, "Henry, tell
Ed what you told me."
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MCDONALD: And Henry looked
at me and said, "oh yeah,
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in them days we was
fixing college basketball
games up in Boston."
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I said, "you were fixing
college basketball games?
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What team?"
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I said, "could it have been BC,
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could it have
been Boston College?"
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ED: A light lights up in
Henry's head and says,
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"yeah, yeah, it
was Boston College."
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MCDONALD: And I said,
"alright, the joke is over."
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And Henry says,
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"what are you
talking about, what joke?"
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I said, "I went
to Boston College,
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I played basketball
in the Freshman team there
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when I was in college."
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And he says, "oh (bleep),"
he says,
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"you've gotta be kidding me."
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So then I said,
"well what about Jimmy,
was Jimmy involved."
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He said, "I didn't do
anything without Jimmy,
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I had to clear everything
with Jimmy Burke."
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(cheering)
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REPORTER: Trouble
at Boston College.
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The Federal Organized Crime
Strike Force is investigating
accusations that some members
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of that team accepted
money from gamblers to
alter the outcome of games.
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GINA: I wasn't in
love with Omaha, but I
didn't hate it either.
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MCDONALD: Henry and
his family get moved
to Nebraska, you know,
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Henry told me about
what the experience was,
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it was they were
fishes out of water and
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he was having a
tough time fitting in,
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and at the same time
he was also coming back
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constantly to be debriefed
by us and by the agents.
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KAREN: A neighbor said to me,
"what does your husband do?
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You know because he's
not there, you know,
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so he doesn't have
a job like locally."
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I said, "he works
for the government."
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GINA: When my father went
back to New York to testify,
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Jimmy said to my father,
pointing right at him,
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"I bet that (bleep)
is in the Midwest.
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I know that (bleep)
is in the Midwest."
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MCDONALD: Henry was going to
bars in Omaha and getting drunk.
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Once he got drunk,
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he would start
telling people he was a
big‐time gangster from
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New York and that he might
even say he was in the
witness protection program,
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involved in all
these big cases.
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GINA: My mother said,
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"Uncle Jimmy and Uncle
Pauly know where we are."
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And we were whisked away like
the next day, the next morning.
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GINA:
I fell in love with Kentucky
immediately, immediately.
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I knew enough to know
that that was horse country,
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plus Dukes of Hazard
was one of my favorite
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television programs at the time.
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My dad had these big
trials coming up, you know,
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you've gotta hold up
your end of the bargain.
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This is it now.
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REPORTER: Prosecutors first
learned of the point cheating
scheme from Henry Hill,
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an informant with a
long criminal record.
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REPORTER 2: A New York grand
jury will be hearing Hill's
story in the coming weeks.
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ED: The courtroom was packed.
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It was a major event.
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And Henry, he dreaded
sitting before Jimmy Burke
and testifying against him.
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Absolutely dreaded it.
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MCDONALD:
Let's put it this way,
he was a terrible witness.
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00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,720
ED: He was awful, particularly
after the first day.
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He would automatically
go into this thug
impression, you know,
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and that's not what we wanted.
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MCDONALD: Burke's lawyer was
Mike Quero who had represented
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Henry about eight years earlier.
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He knew Mike Quero for years.
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He'd yell at him and
Quero would yell back, and
he'd be fighting with him.
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ED: We almost killed him
because he was just so bad,
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he just came off
so bad as a witness.
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MCDONALD: Our challenge was to
corroborate what Henry said.
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Well, we got the
telephone numbers of all
the significant players and
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we got their telephone records.
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We had an hour or two or
three before significant
Boston College games,
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a flurry of phone calls.
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ED: And all these
phone calls were either
going from Jimmy Burke's home
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00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,320
out to members of
this conspiracy,
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or phone calls going in.
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Henry, he was the connection
between the basketball players
and the organized crime.
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MCDONALD: There was
no way that Jimmy Burke
could distance himself
427
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from Henry Hill.
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00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:02,800
They had to say that
Henry was over at the house
and Henry was the one who was
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00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,320
making the phone calls.
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00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,160
Well, the jury's saying,
431
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,960
"well what's he doing
hanging around Jimmy Burke's
house using his phone?"
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ED: And in the end, that's
the only piece of evidence
besides Henry's testimony that
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convicted Jimmy Burke
on Boston College,
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00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,600
and for which he got
20 years imprisonment for that.
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So, we didn't get him
on Lufthansa, but we got
him on Boston College.
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00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,720
BILL: The man suspected
of masterminding the $5.8
million Lufthansa Robbery
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00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:44,960
is behind bars tonight.
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James "Jimmy the Gent" Burke.
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00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:54,160
MCDONALD: Jimmy Burke was an
incredibly powerful organized
crime figure in New York in
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the late 1970s and that was
a significant moment for us.
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ED: So Henry, he
became a very infamous
cooperator for the FBI.
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Agents who had their own
cases would rotate in and out
to ask Henry specific questions.
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00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,560
Everybody wanted to
get a hold of him because
he had been involved in
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00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,080
organized crime all his life.
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00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:37,400
RICK: Henry could be
the tip of the screwdriver
used to pry the lid off all
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of these events all over
the United States.
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00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,200
RICK: Henry was probably doing
this for four or five years,
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testifying in trials.
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00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,760
REPORTER: Henry Hill
broke the code of honor
to burn many a mobster.
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00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,040
HENRY: You live inside
a code all your life and
then you break that code,
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00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,320
you make that decision,
you know, for self‐survival.
452
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,640
GINA: He basically said,
you know, it was him or them.
453
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,880
You know, you have
to save yourself.
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MCDONALD: Paul Vario
was an extremely,
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00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,200
extremely powerful
member of the family,
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the Lucchese Family.
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00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,160
He was probably the biggest
earner in the family.
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This is the focus of our
attention, ultimately,
to get to Paul Vario.
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KAREN:
Redmond, Redmond Washington,
was beautiful.
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00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,040
We had a house, when
you looked at it from the
front it looked like a ranch.
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00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,920
I was happy, for a moment.
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00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,120
GINA: There was always
the idea danger could
still be looming,
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00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:19,440
if you got too comfortable
or too trusting in the fact
that we were totally safe.
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00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:23,840
My father said,
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00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,200
"Princess, you don't see them,
I know they're there, you know,
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00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,560
Uncle Pauly and
the Vario crew."
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00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,240
KAREN: It was terrible.
I didn't know what to do.
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00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,560
I didn't want to get killed.
I didn't want my children hurt.
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00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,280
But he wasn't
giving up the drugs.
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00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,960
All Ed McDonald wanted
was Henry and what
he needed from him,
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00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,320
and we were just excess
baggage, that's how I felt.
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MCDONALD: I remember his wife
calling me and saying,
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00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,760
"is there something you
can do, he's out of control."
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00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,320
I said, "look, I mean I
feel for you but there's
not much I can do.
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00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,880
We're not social workers,
we're prosecutors."
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00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,880
This is a significant case.
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00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,000
We could potentially
get Paul Vario.
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00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,360
RICK: Nobody would have ever
put a wire on Henry and said,
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00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,680
"hey, why don't you stop by
and strike up a conversation
with Paul Vario."
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00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,960
Henry would have left that
meeting in four separate boxes.
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00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,440
Henry became a
very credible witness,
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00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,280
but his value
was of a historical nature.
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00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:56,120
GINA: My father had
such a sense of loyalty
to Uncle Pauly and my
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00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,360
Uncle Pauly really
valued that from my dad.
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00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,160
He really felt that dad
was like a trusted son.
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00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:20,520
ED: He had falsified records
for Henry Hill to be given
a job so he can get parole.
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00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:28,040
He had no job, the records
were false, but Vario
produced all of that.
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00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:35,280
He was indicted for
what we call "1001",
which is lying to the FBI.
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00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,680
It was a simple prosecution.
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00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,600
Henry testified in that case.
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00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:46,160
Paul Vario, he
received five years.
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00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,240
KAREN: He was guilt ridden.
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00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,080
He was guilt
ridden about Pauly.
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00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,600
20 years of being the people
that were part of our lives.
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00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,760
I don't think he could
live with himself.
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00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,040
GINA: It hurt my
father to have to do
that to Pauly, it did.
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00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:25,440
And I think it had a lot
to do with his falling deeper
down that rabbit hole of drug
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00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,360
addiction and alcoholism.
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00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,080
Yes, I do.
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00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,800
I never said, "dad,
you're using heroin,"
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00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,440
but my own
father is in the driveway
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00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,760
passed out with track marks
in his arms and I said,
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00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,240
"I don't care who kills you,
'cause you're dead to me."
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00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,960
And of course I didn't
mean that but I was so
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00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,520
angry with him.
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00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:14,360
KAREN: You know I truly
believe that he surfaced
because he didn't care
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00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,720
if he lived or died.
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00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:18,840
HENRY: Howard,
I am so miserable.
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00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,720
STERN: Really?
HENRY: Yeah.
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00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:21,960
STERN: There's no
joy in your life?
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00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,800
HENRY: No joy in my life.
STERN: Listen to me.
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00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,400
HENRY: Do you want to
know something Howard?
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00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,520
STERN: You're in
a lot of pain.
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00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,000
HENRY: I'm a scumbag.
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00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,600
I want to get high
constantly, okay.
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00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,480
JERRY: He wasn't swathe,
he wasn't cunning,
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00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,520
he wasn't even a good
drug dealer, you know.
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00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,720
But the whole fiasco of
Henry Hill going down and
flipping it was historic,
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00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,720
that had never
happened before.
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00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,000
MCDONALD:
Many Mafia guys, significant
Mafia guys began to turn,
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00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:03,320
and it became a lot easier
for prosecutors to bring
significant prosecutions
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00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,040
against Mafia figures.
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00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,400
RICK: Guys like Henry deciding
to give up everything he knows
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00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,240
to save his life
and he ended up putting
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00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:14,200
50 people in jail to do it.
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00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:25,720
HENRY: Being part of that life,
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00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:28,560
being part of the Mafia was
the worst thing I ever did.
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00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,240
I wasn't a good father,
you know, a good husband.
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00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,880
I anaesthetized myself
with alcohol, with drugs,
constantly, you know,
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00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,800
to live with myself.
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00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,760
WILLIAMS: After a troubled life,
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00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,520
Henry Hill is dead
at the age of 69.
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00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,400
GINA: As his daughter,
I am just so grateful he
died of natural causes.
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00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,560
I mean how many people get
to do that in his situation?
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00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,560
Not too many.
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00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,320
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