1 00:00:10,885 --> 00:00:14,014 [solemn music plays] 2 00:00:16,016 --> 00:00:19,769 [Tony] He was always the kid who would never quite fit in with anybody. 3 00:00:23,857 --> 00:00:26,901 [man] Richard was a thief since he was a kid. 4 00:00:27,819 --> 00:00:29,195 [Tony] Five-finger Richie. 5 00:00:31,614 --> 00:00:34,617 There are these horrible stories about the way he was treated 6 00:00:34,701 --> 00:00:36,661 by members of his family. 7 00:00:36,745 --> 00:00:38,913 [man] His father was trying to reprimand him 8 00:00:38,997 --> 00:00:41,875 and he would tie him to a cross in the cemetery overnight. 9 00:00:43,668 --> 00:00:46,463 [Laurel] He had a lot of bad influences. 10 00:00:46,546 --> 00:00:50,050 [man] The cousin that killed the wife in front of him. 11 00:00:50,133 --> 00:00:52,010 [Tony] He was telling him when he was a boy 12 00:00:52,093 --> 00:00:55,889 horror stories about things they'd done while in the Army in Vietnam. 13 00:00:55,972 --> 00:00:58,099 [man] Not to mention the cocaine and heroin 14 00:00:58,183 --> 00:00:59,893 and all the habits that he had. 15 00:01:04,064 --> 00:01:07,192 [Tony] Practically all of the things that could poison a child 16 00:01:07,942 --> 00:01:09,527 were part of his life. 17 00:01:15,825 --> 00:01:17,827 [folk song playing] 18 00:01:18,870 --> 00:01:23,208 [singer vocalizing] 19 00:01:23,792 --> 00:01:26,002 ♪ All through my days ♪ 20 00:01:26,086 --> 00:01:29,923 ♪ I have been coming up with ways ♪ 21 00:01:30,006 --> 00:01:32,050 ♪ To make you mine ♪ 22 00:01:32,133 --> 00:01:37,972 ♪ Even my hands They have been coming up with plans ♪ 23 00:01:38,056 --> 00:01:41,101 ♪ To take their time ♪ 24 00:01:42,018 --> 00:01:43,853 [man] In the 1980s, 25 00:01:43,937 --> 00:01:47,482 the reference desks at Central Library were very busy, 26 00:01:47,565 --> 00:01:51,027 and you were dealing with one patron after another. 27 00:01:51,111 --> 00:01:53,321 Rotary phones ringing all the time. 28 00:01:53,404 --> 00:01:56,741 Different faces are popping up, lots of interesting people 29 00:01:56,825 --> 00:02:00,120 and lots of people that you never want to see again. 30 00:02:02,038 --> 00:02:03,498 On one of those days, 31 00:02:03,581 --> 00:02:05,625 I looked up and there was this gaunt… 32 00:02:06,376 --> 00:02:09,212 disheveled-looking man 33 00:02:10,463 --> 00:02:12,549 Dirty black T-shirt, 34 00:02:12,632 --> 00:02:15,510 said "Jack Daniels" on it. 35 00:02:15,593 --> 00:02:16,761 Dirty hair. 36 00:02:16,845 --> 00:02:19,139 Absolutely disgusting, rotted teeth. 37 00:02:19,764 --> 00:02:21,349 He had a very strong body odor. 38 00:02:21,432 --> 00:02:23,810 Almost like… almost like a goat. 39 00:02:23,893 --> 00:02:25,854 And he had these dead eyes. 40 00:02:25,937 --> 00:02:27,730 It was kind of like, uh… 41 00:02:27,814 --> 00:02:29,983 an animal that meant you harm. 42 00:02:30,900 --> 00:02:35,405 He wanted to know where the books on horoscope and torture were. 43 00:02:35,488 --> 00:02:37,991 [low, disorienting music plays] 44 00:02:39,993 --> 00:02:41,077 And, luckily for me, 45 00:02:42,162 --> 00:02:44,581 they're both in another department. 46 00:02:46,374 --> 00:02:49,586 ♪ I'll find a way ♪ 47 00:02:49,669 --> 00:02:54,048 ♪ Under your skin, under your skin ♪ 48 00:02:54,841 --> 00:02:57,260 [brooding music plays] 49 00:03:04,142 --> 00:03:05,685 [clock ticking] 50 00:03:05,768 --> 00:03:07,562 [Gil] We go back to the office. 51 00:03:07,645 --> 00:03:09,689 The captain comes up and says… 52 00:03:09,772 --> 00:03:10,857 "We got a name." 53 00:03:12,942 --> 00:03:14,819 "What do you mean, 'we got a name'?" 54 00:03:14,903 --> 00:03:18,865 He says, "San Francisco came up with the name Richard Ramirez." 55 00:03:20,533 --> 00:03:24,871 If we had a name, we could match that 56 00:03:24,954 --> 00:03:28,416 to that single print off the rear-view mirror 57 00:03:28,499 --> 00:03:30,585 of that car used down in Orange County. 58 00:03:31,836 --> 00:03:35,340 They came up with eight Richard Ramirezes. 59 00:03:36,925 --> 00:03:40,261 [Frank] And that print was manually compared 60 00:03:40,345 --> 00:03:43,097 against various Richard Ramirez prints… 61 00:03:44,349 --> 00:03:46,434 One of which matched the fingerprint. 62 00:03:50,730 --> 00:03:53,775 [Frank] He had a lightweight criminal record. 63 00:03:53,858 --> 00:03:57,070 Some petty thievery, grand theft auto, 64 00:03:57,153 --> 00:03:59,697 but nothing of any violence whatsoever. 65 00:03:59,781 --> 00:04:02,116 [Gil] They also found a booking photo of him. 66 00:04:03,201 --> 00:04:06,037 On Friday, August 30th, we took that booking photo, 67 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:07,956 took it over to the informant. 68 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:10,208 The informant looked and said, "That's him." 69 00:04:10,792 --> 00:04:13,962 And that's when they identified the Richard Ramirez 70 00:04:14,045 --> 00:04:16,673 who was in fact the Night Stalker. 71 00:04:16,756 --> 00:04:19,509 [tense music crescendoes] 72 00:04:20,635 --> 00:04:22,303 [Gil] We had a name, 73 00:04:22,387 --> 00:04:24,597 we had an identification, we had a picture, 74 00:04:24,681 --> 00:04:28,977 we knew what area he hung out in, and things are falling into place. 75 00:04:37,235 --> 00:04:39,070 [Gil] Friday night, August 30th. 76 00:04:39,153 --> 00:04:40,113 Sheriff Block… 77 00:04:40,947 --> 00:04:43,533 Brad Gates from Orange County, 78 00:04:43,616 --> 00:04:46,911 and Daryl Gates from LAPD are meeting in the sheriff's office, 79 00:04:46,995 --> 00:04:51,541 and they're going to conference call the chief of police from San Francisco… 80 00:04:52,959 --> 00:04:58,006 to decide whether they release Richard's name and identification today… 81 00:04:58,881 --> 00:05:01,676 or wait until we get him in custody. 82 00:05:03,052 --> 00:05:04,971 [Falzon] By this time we had a warrant 83 00:05:05,972 --> 00:05:08,474 for Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker, 84 00:05:08,558 --> 00:05:10,893 for the murder of Peter Pan… 85 00:05:11,769 --> 00:05:14,022 for the attempted murder of his wife. 86 00:05:15,523 --> 00:05:19,360 My chief made it perfectly clear that we were proceeding 87 00:05:19,444 --> 00:05:22,488 with alerting everybody in the community 88 00:05:22,572 --> 00:05:24,365 who Richard Ramirez was. 89 00:05:24,449 --> 00:05:27,327 We said, "Please, give us 24 hours. We'll have him." 90 00:05:27,410 --> 00:05:29,662 "We'll have this SOB in custody." 91 00:05:32,915 --> 00:05:34,042 [Falzon] Sit on this? 92 00:05:34,751 --> 00:05:37,045 Sit on a murder warrant? 93 00:05:37,128 --> 00:05:40,214 We've identified this vicious killer. 94 00:05:40,298 --> 00:05:46,763 I said, "Can you imagine what the media would do to us if they found out, 95 00:05:46,846 --> 00:05:48,389 and they will find out, 96 00:05:49,098 --> 00:05:51,392 that we were in possession of a murder warrant 97 00:05:51,476 --> 00:05:53,144 and we sat on it… 98 00:05:55,730 --> 00:05:58,274 and somebody else is killed this weekend?" 99 00:05:59,359 --> 00:06:01,361 I said, "We'd have blood on our hands." 100 00:06:01,444 --> 00:06:02,695 [trolley bell rings] 101 00:06:07,408 --> 00:06:10,119 [Gil] I could understand why they thought it was wrong… 102 00:06:11,287 --> 00:06:14,332 but we thought if he finds out he's wanted, the chase is on, 103 00:06:14,415 --> 00:06:16,084 it'll be more difficult to find him. 104 00:06:18,795 --> 00:06:21,255 Ten o'clock news, eleven o'clock news. 105 00:06:23,091 --> 00:06:25,259 Los Angeles, San Francisco. 106 00:06:29,472 --> 00:06:31,474 We're going with a media blitz. 107 00:06:31,557 --> 00:06:33,142 [dramatic, sinuous music plays] 108 00:06:33,226 --> 00:06:34,477 [Frank] We were pissed. 109 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,814 There's no two ways about it, we wanted a shot at this guy. 110 00:06:37,897 --> 00:06:42,777 We asked for the media to meet with us this evening. 111 00:06:44,362 --> 00:06:47,198 We are satisfied that we now have… 112 00:06:47,281 --> 00:06:49,158 …the identity of the Night Stalker. 113 00:06:49,242 --> 00:06:52,787 -Man by the name of Richard Ramirez. -Richard Ramirez. 114 00:06:53,830 --> 00:06:58,626 This photograph was taken about eight months ago 115 00:06:58,709 --> 00:07:00,378 right here in Los Angeles. 116 00:07:01,254 --> 00:07:03,089 There he is. There's the face. 117 00:07:03,673 --> 00:07:05,883 Still didn't know where Richard Ramirez was, 118 00:07:06,426 --> 00:07:08,052 but we had a picture and a name. 119 00:07:08,886 --> 00:07:11,806 [clock ticking] 120 00:07:14,642 --> 00:07:18,312 [Glen] Saturday mornings, we would go over to the Yorkshire Grill, 121 00:07:18,396 --> 00:07:22,024 and the different library departments, we'd sit there and have breakfast. 122 00:07:22,733 --> 00:07:25,194 So, I grabbed a Herald paper… 123 00:07:26,070 --> 00:07:31,742 and I looked at the cover, and here's a picture of that man 124 00:07:32,410 --> 00:07:34,370 who came up to the desk at the library, 125 00:07:35,121 --> 00:07:38,207 and it says "Night Stalker." 126 00:07:40,042 --> 00:07:43,629 And the temperature of my blood changed. 127 00:07:47,967 --> 00:07:49,218 [Colleen] Seeing his face 128 00:07:49,302 --> 00:07:51,554 was really one of the hardest moments for me. 129 00:07:54,098 --> 00:07:55,600 And I just remember 130 00:07:56,309 --> 00:07:59,812 crying so much, like, just uncontrollably, 131 00:07:59,896 --> 00:08:03,774 because I kept thinking that was the last face my grandmother ever saw. 132 00:08:03,858 --> 00:08:06,944 [brooding music playing] 133 00:08:13,534 --> 00:08:15,578 [Frank] We were looking for him 134 00:08:15,661 --> 00:08:19,916 to leave Los Angeles once this information came out. 135 00:08:19,999 --> 00:08:22,001 Our information at that point 136 00:08:22,084 --> 00:08:27,131 was that Richard Ramirez used the Greyhound bus depot. 137 00:08:28,716 --> 00:08:32,345 He used it to travel in and out. He had a locker there. 138 00:08:33,179 --> 00:08:39,352 We requested that LAPD's SIS team handle the surveillance. 139 00:08:39,936 --> 00:08:42,396 To be quite frank with you, they had a history. 140 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,067 They generally followed felons 141 00:08:47,026 --> 00:08:49,153 that committed violent crimes, 142 00:08:49,237 --> 00:08:50,696 and when confronted, 143 00:08:50,780 --> 00:08:52,990 a lot of times there was 144 00:08:53,074 --> 00:08:56,994 an officer-involved shooting and the felon was killed. 145 00:08:59,038 --> 00:09:02,542 If he was going to go down, if he wanted to go down the hard way, 146 00:09:03,125 --> 00:09:05,628 then he was going to go down. 147 00:09:05,711 --> 00:09:07,922 That's why we picked that team. 148 00:09:08,506 --> 00:09:10,716 [Gil] I was hoping that if he pulled a gun, 149 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,677 he'd be dead, the problem's over. 150 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,304 But the other side of me wanted to know the man, 151 00:09:15,388 --> 00:09:17,014 wanted to interview him. 152 00:09:17,098 --> 00:09:19,267 I'd spent an awful lot of time on this case, 153 00:09:19,350 --> 00:09:23,396 and I wanted the opportunity to talk to him, to meet my foe. 154 00:09:25,439 --> 00:09:28,734 [clock ticking] 155 00:09:31,237 --> 00:09:33,739 [Frank] So we set up the surveillance there 156 00:09:33,823 --> 00:09:35,658 around the Greyhound Bus depot. 157 00:09:35,741 --> 00:09:37,368 And what happens is, 158 00:09:37,451 --> 00:09:40,830 Ramirez is out of town. He's actually in Arizona. 159 00:09:40,913 --> 00:09:42,707 He wanted to go to visit a brother. 160 00:09:43,457 --> 00:09:45,918 So, on Friday evening, he left Arizona 161 00:09:46,586 --> 00:09:48,713 to come back to LA. 162 00:09:49,338 --> 00:09:52,800 We're looking for Richard to come in from the outside. 163 00:09:52,883 --> 00:09:55,386 Richard came inside through the back door, 164 00:09:55,469 --> 00:09:57,388 through where passengers enter. 165 00:09:57,471 --> 00:09:59,557 He recognized the cops right away 166 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,060 because cops wear ugly clothing, wore dirty clothing, 167 00:10:03,144 --> 00:10:05,521 but their teeth are clean, they don't smell bad, 168 00:10:05,605 --> 00:10:06,814 and their hair is clean. 169 00:10:07,398 --> 00:10:09,775 He doesn't know it's specifically for him, 170 00:10:09,859 --> 00:10:10,943 but he makes them. 171 00:10:11,527 --> 00:10:15,364 So, he walks out the exit out onto the street, 172 00:10:15,448 --> 00:10:17,450 walks down the block, 173 00:10:17,533 --> 00:10:19,201 and he goes into a liquor store. 174 00:10:19,285 --> 00:10:23,080 And on the front page of every newspaper… 175 00:10:25,124 --> 00:10:26,250 is his picture. 176 00:10:27,460 --> 00:10:30,504 Yeah, he looked at the picture of the newspaper. 177 00:10:30,588 --> 00:10:33,466 He looked and he looks really scared, you know? 178 00:10:33,549 --> 00:10:35,259 He sees that and he panics. 179 00:10:35,926 --> 00:10:38,721 [Gil] Walked out of there real quick, got on a bus, 180 00:10:38,804 --> 00:10:41,098 and the bus went down Olympic. 181 00:10:41,182 --> 00:10:44,477 All he had to do was make it eight miles to east Los Angeles. 182 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:45,811 He had a brother there. 183 00:10:46,395 --> 00:10:50,858 He saw some passenger on the bus had a morning paper, looking at it, 184 00:10:50,941 --> 00:10:52,151 then looked over at him 185 00:10:52,234 --> 00:10:53,319 and his eyes got big, 186 00:10:53,402 --> 00:10:55,363 put the newspaper down, pulled the cord. 187 00:10:55,446 --> 00:10:57,031 [bell rings] 188 00:10:58,074 --> 00:10:59,992 There happened to be a phone booth there. 189 00:11:00,076 --> 00:11:01,911 Richard could see him dialing right away. 190 00:11:02,495 --> 00:11:04,538 Ramirez knew he had been made. 191 00:11:04,622 --> 00:11:09,168 People are starting to turn around and look and point and talk. 192 00:11:09,710 --> 00:11:11,087 "It's him, it's him." 193 00:11:11,170 --> 00:11:12,588 So, he jumps off the bus… 194 00:11:13,422 --> 00:11:15,383 [Gil] And what he didn't know was, 195 00:11:15,966 --> 00:11:18,386 the gentleman that phoned in 196 00:11:18,469 --> 00:11:21,263 had flagged down a truck from the gas company 197 00:11:21,347 --> 00:11:24,058 and said, "The killer's on that bus. Follow that bus." 198 00:11:24,141 --> 00:11:25,017 The chase was on. 199 00:11:25,101 --> 00:11:27,144 [fast-paced music playing] 200 00:11:31,941 --> 00:11:33,192 [Frank] He's being tracked 201 00:11:34,235 --> 00:11:36,028 by people calling in. 202 00:11:38,948 --> 00:11:41,575 He runs into the I-5 freeway. 203 00:11:44,286 --> 00:11:47,540 And ran across all lanes of the freeway. 204 00:11:47,623 --> 00:11:49,250 [car horn honks] 205 00:11:49,834 --> 00:11:52,503 [Gil] He continued running in the northeast direction, 206 00:11:52,586 --> 00:11:53,671 ending up on Indiana. 207 00:11:53,754 --> 00:11:55,214 [siren blares, squawks] 208 00:11:58,342 --> 00:12:00,553 And he tried to carjack one gentleman. 209 00:12:00,636 --> 00:12:02,930 [reporter] Faustino Pinon wrestled with Ramirez 210 00:12:03,013 --> 00:12:04,724 as the suspect tried to steal his car. 211 00:12:04,807 --> 00:12:07,893 I got him by the neck. We struggled back and forth for the car. 212 00:12:07,977 --> 00:12:10,855 -He couldn't get the car. -Then he ran across the street. 213 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,692 [Gil] He then turned right on Hubbard Street. 214 00:12:15,025 --> 00:12:16,527 [speaking in Spanish] 215 00:12:16,610 --> 00:12:18,612 [translator] He said, "Give me the keys." 216 00:12:18,696 --> 00:12:21,115 I looked up at his face and I saw his eyes, 217 00:12:21,198 --> 00:12:23,868 and I recognized that he was the one who killed. 218 00:12:23,951 --> 00:12:27,204 [reporter 1] In Spanish, he hollered to give him the keys or he would kill me. 219 00:12:27,288 --> 00:12:29,457 [reporter 2] Manuel de la Torre got involved. 220 00:12:29,540 --> 00:12:30,624 Manuel ran out front… 221 00:12:30,708 --> 00:12:33,669 He got a metal stick from the gate. Hit him in the head. 222 00:12:33,753 --> 00:12:36,380 [translator] I gave him one by the car. The man fell. 223 00:12:36,464 --> 00:12:39,550 He started running away. I chased him, gave him another hit. 224 00:12:40,634 --> 00:12:42,970 [man] The neighbors chased him down the street. 225 00:12:43,053 --> 00:12:45,681 You know, I say, "My God, that's the guy." 226 00:12:46,766 --> 00:12:49,143 [Ramirez speaking] 227 00:12:49,226 --> 00:12:51,061 [tense music playing] 228 00:12:59,487 --> 00:13:01,864 [sirens wailing] 229 00:13:01,947 --> 00:13:03,199 Call came up. 230 00:13:03,282 --> 00:13:06,952 22-415, possible fight, 231 00:13:07,036 --> 00:13:08,370 possible man with a gun. 232 00:13:08,454 --> 00:13:12,458 I could see maybe three or four people on one side of the street. 233 00:13:12,541 --> 00:13:13,709 The closer I got, 234 00:13:13,793 --> 00:13:15,711 I could see they were moving around, 235 00:13:15,795 --> 00:13:18,130 they were yelling, waving around, screaming, 236 00:13:18,214 --> 00:13:21,175 and I could see one person sitting on the sidewalk. 237 00:13:21,258 --> 00:13:23,636 He said something in Spanish about, 238 00:13:23,719 --> 00:13:26,263 "I'm lucky the cops are coming," or something, 239 00:13:26,347 --> 00:13:28,849 because he knew everybody was going to finish him. 240 00:13:28,933 --> 00:13:30,976 The neighbors hung together and got him. 241 00:13:31,060 --> 00:13:34,188 There's one guy holding him at bay with this metal bar. 242 00:13:34,271 --> 00:13:35,815 I could tell he had been hit. 243 00:13:35,898 --> 00:13:37,900 The crowd had detained him, had beat him. 244 00:13:37,983 --> 00:13:41,320 He had blood all on his head, on his hands, on his shirt. 245 00:13:41,403 --> 00:13:44,156 He was tired of running. He was really exhausted. 246 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,825 I just told him, "Stand up." 247 00:13:45,908 --> 00:13:47,868 He stood up. I handcuffed him. 248 00:13:47,952 --> 00:13:49,787 I put him in the police car, in the back seat. 249 00:13:49,870 --> 00:13:51,622 And takes him into custody. 250 00:13:54,750 --> 00:13:57,127 The crowd was getting bigger, getting louder. 251 00:14:01,340 --> 00:14:04,760 [Andy] They were starting to circle, getting closer and closer. 252 00:14:05,427 --> 00:14:06,554 Pointing to a newspaper. 253 00:14:06,637 --> 00:14:08,556 I could even hear people saying, 254 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:10,975 "Ese es el matón, the killer. 255 00:14:11,058 --> 00:14:12,601 Let's get him." 256 00:14:12,685 --> 00:14:15,437 I'm like, "Oh, no, I gotta control this." 257 00:14:16,355 --> 00:14:18,357 [Ramirez speaking] 258 00:14:38,502 --> 00:14:40,296 [officer] Police, move back! 259 00:14:43,382 --> 00:14:47,428 [officer] What have you been arrested for? You ever been arrested before? 260 00:14:47,511 --> 00:14:50,180 Danny? Where's your car? 261 00:14:50,264 --> 00:14:52,099 Sit up. How long ago? 262 00:14:53,225 --> 00:14:54,768 It's me. It's me, man? 263 00:14:54,852 --> 00:14:55,853 What's your name? 264 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,272 -Richard Ramirez. -What's your name? 265 00:14:58,981 --> 00:15:00,357 [indistinct speech] 266 00:15:00,774 --> 00:15:03,110 [officer 1] Back up on the sidewalk, move away. 267 00:15:03,193 --> 00:15:06,238 -[officer 2] Pull back. -[officer 1] Back up on the sidewalk. 268 00:15:08,824 --> 00:15:11,660 [Gil] I get notified they've got him in custody. 269 00:15:12,244 --> 00:15:14,955 I am so excited, I can't wait to get there, 270 00:15:15,039 --> 00:15:17,541 and we hauled. I mean, we were flying. 271 00:15:18,125 --> 00:15:20,127 And when I got to Hollenbeck station, 272 00:15:20,210 --> 00:15:22,046 a lot of people around the station. 273 00:15:22,129 --> 00:15:25,549 [Frank] The entire Hollenbeck police station 274 00:15:25,633 --> 00:15:28,010 was surrounded with citizens. 275 00:15:28,093 --> 00:15:32,222 [crowd clamoring] 276 00:15:33,807 --> 00:15:35,976 I was working at the crime lab. 277 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:37,853 We received a call 278 00:15:38,812 --> 00:15:41,231 needing someone to go over to LAPD 279 00:15:41,315 --> 00:15:46,153 to fingerprint and positively identify 280 00:15:46,236 --> 00:15:49,907 a suspect that they believed to be 281 00:15:49,990 --> 00:15:50,824 the killer. 282 00:15:50,908 --> 00:15:54,036 And I remember when he walked through the door… 283 00:15:56,413 --> 00:15:58,165 he was tall and slender. 284 00:15:58,248 --> 00:16:00,626 [haunting music playing] 285 00:16:00,709 --> 00:16:04,546 He had these dark eyes. 286 00:16:09,176 --> 00:16:12,346 And he just slowly looked around the room… 287 00:16:14,181 --> 00:16:15,099 to take it in, 288 00:16:15,182 --> 00:16:17,810 and he looked right in your eyes. You know, 289 00:16:17,893 --> 00:16:20,854 he did look at you, and that's when I thought, "Wow, 290 00:16:20,938 --> 00:16:22,189 those eyes are terrible." 291 00:16:22,272 --> 00:16:24,984 [music turns discordant] 292 00:16:26,735 --> 00:16:29,822 There's evil in that man, and you could sense it. 293 00:16:30,698 --> 00:16:34,159 My partner, Hannah Woods, jumped up and she said, 294 00:16:34,243 --> 00:16:35,619 "I will print him," 295 00:16:35,703 --> 00:16:38,122 because she knew I didn't want to do it. 296 00:16:40,916 --> 00:16:43,460 [Frank] We went into an interview room, 297 00:16:43,544 --> 00:16:45,045 and he was sitting there. 298 00:16:46,046 --> 00:16:50,968 He was just like the witnesses had been talking about. 299 00:16:52,344 --> 00:16:53,887 The hair, the teeth. 300 00:16:54,722 --> 00:16:56,098 The way he talked. 301 00:16:56,181 --> 00:16:58,767 I said, "My name is Sergeant Frank Salerno," 302 00:16:58,851 --> 00:17:01,270 and I started to introduce Gil 303 00:17:01,353 --> 00:17:03,147 and he said, "I know who you are." 304 00:17:06,191 --> 00:17:08,569 That… that sort of took me back, 305 00:17:08,652 --> 00:17:11,739 because I'd never had a… a suspect 306 00:17:11,822 --> 00:17:14,700 say that on an interview involving a murder. 307 00:17:14,783 --> 00:17:17,244 He knew all about Frank Salerno, 308 00:17:17,327 --> 00:17:20,080 to the point where he's calling him "Mr. Salerno." 309 00:17:20,164 --> 00:17:21,290 He called him that 310 00:17:21,373 --> 00:17:24,043 because he knew Mr. Salerno worked on the Hillside Strangler. 311 00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:27,838 He was, like, awestruck. That was a hero to him, 312 00:17:27,921 --> 00:17:31,550 and I was just another Mexican in the crowd. 313 00:17:31,633 --> 00:17:34,845 He did admit to reading about various cases. 314 00:17:34,928 --> 00:17:38,599 He read about the Hillside Strangler, read about Bundy. 315 00:17:39,224 --> 00:17:40,309 He was a student. 316 00:17:42,728 --> 00:17:45,814 Salerno advised him of his constitutional rights. 317 00:17:45,898 --> 00:17:49,276 He invoked, which normally-- Once he invokes, okay, that's it. 318 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,862 We said, "You don't wanna talk, we're outta here." 319 00:17:51,945 --> 00:17:53,655 He says, "Wait, I have questions." 320 00:17:53,739 --> 00:17:57,743 So, we sat down and then I started talking to Richard. 321 00:17:57,826 --> 00:18:00,287 I was from the streets. I'm Hispanic. 322 00:18:00,370 --> 00:18:04,083 I knew he was from the streets, and we talked a little slang talk. 323 00:18:04,875 --> 00:18:06,835 "Órale. What's going on, Rich?" 324 00:18:06,919 --> 00:18:10,089 Órale is a greeting, of saying, "Hello. What's up?" 325 00:18:10,172 --> 00:18:13,092 Nobody else would be saying that, other than somebody from the streets 326 00:18:13,175 --> 00:18:14,176 that's Hispanic. 327 00:18:14,885 --> 00:18:18,263 [low, dark music playing] 328 00:18:18,347 --> 00:18:21,100 [Gil] There was one point in time I got… 329 00:18:21,183 --> 00:18:23,602 frightened. [chuckles] You know? 330 00:18:23,685 --> 00:18:27,397 I'm talking to him and getting to part of the interview, 331 00:18:27,481 --> 00:18:29,942 and I'm getting to a very sensitive area. 332 00:18:30,692 --> 00:18:33,445 While I'm talking to him about his family, 333 00:18:34,822 --> 00:18:37,199 he's got his head down on the table 334 00:18:37,282 --> 00:18:41,411 and his hands are right there, like this. He's listening to me, but he's-- 335 00:18:41,495 --> 00:18:42,496 And all of a sudden, 336 00:18:43,288 --> 00:18:45,791 he starts to breathe heavy… 337 00:18:46,834 --> 00:18:49,294 almost to the point of hyperventilation. 338 00:18:49,878 --> 00:18:53,298 As he's doing this, his hands start coming off the table for a little bit. 339 00:18:53,966 --> 00:18:56,093 And in my mind, for the millisecond… 340 00:18:56,844 --> 00:18:58,095 I'm sitting there saying, 341 00:18:58,178 --> 00:19:01,974 "If this guy starts to float around this room, I'm out of here." 342 00:19:02,057 --> 00:19:05,894 Because I've fought people before, I've been stabbed, I've been shot at, 343 00:19:05,978 --> 00:19:08,730 but I ain't fought nobody that's floating around a room. 344 00:19:08,814 --> 00:19:12,276 This guy's gonna levitate right here and scare the bejesus out of me. 345 00:19:13,443 --> 00:19:16,530 [dark, haunting music playing] 346 00:19:17,114 --> 00:19:19,992 [clamoring] 347 00:19:20,075 --> 00:19:22,911 [officer] Clear the street. People on sidewalks also. 348 00:19:22,995 --> 00:19:25,622 [Gil] We go outside and Hollenbeck looked like a zoo. 349 00:19:25,706 --> 00:19:27,207 There's a crowd around there. 350 00:19:27,291 --> 00:19:29,459 We got the impression it's a lynch mob. 351 00:19:30,627 --> 00:19:33,964 They've gotten word somebody's gonna kill him when he comes out. 352 00:19:36,383 --> 00:19:37,634 Shoot up the place. 353 00:19:38,635 --> 00:19:42,472 [officer] Stay back! Stay back! Back! Back! Everybody back! 354 00:19:43,515 --> 00:19:46,268 [crowd clamoring] 355 00:19:48,187 --> 00:19:51,190 [Gil] Salerno was riding in the back seat with Richard, 356 00:19:51,273 --> 00:19:53,650 and I was in the front seat. 357 00:19:55,027 --> 00:19:58,197 We only had to go a few miles till we got to men's central jail. 358 00:20:01,992 --> 00:20:03,785 We drove down the street, turned right, 359 00:20:03,869 --> 00:20:06,872 and there was a truck, 360 00:20:06,955 --> 00:20:10,000 and there was some lady standing on top of there. 361 00:20:10,083 --> 00:20:12,252 As we came by, she opened up her blouse 362 00:20:12,336 --> 00:20:14,338 and she's swinging her breasts back and forth. 363 00:20:14,421 --> 00:20:16,381 She wasn't doing it for me. 364 00:20:17,090 --> 00:20:19,885 I said, "There you go, Rich. She's doing it for you." 365 00:20:20,469 --> 00:20:22,429 We had helicopters overhead. 366 00:20:22,512 --> 00:20:26,183 We had police vehicles and motorcycles in front, 367 00:20:26,266 --> 00:20:28,268 police vehicles and motorcycles behind us 368 00:20:28,352 --> 00:20:30,354 all along the streets, like a motorcade. 369 00:20:30,437 --> 00:20:33,190 They were just chanting, jumping up and down, screaming. 370 00:20:33,273 --> 00:20:34,483 They were happy. 371 00:20:35,776 --> 00:20:38,153 [clamoring] 372 00:20:38,237 --> 00:20:41,406 And there was hundreds of people, 373 00:20:41,490 --> 00:20:45,244 and everybody was just yelling. It was like we won the World Series. 374 00:20:47,246 --> 00:20:50,332 [Patty] We were in McDonald's with the kids. 375 00:20:51,041 --> 00:20:53,627 Every single person in that restaurant 376 00:20:53,710 --> 00:20:57,381 was clapping and, you know, cheering. I mean, everybody. 377 00:20:57,464 --> 00:21:01,260 They said, "They caught the Night Stalker!" 378 00:21:01,343 --> 00:21:03,345 And we just shouted. 379 00:21:03,428 --> 00:21:05,097 We were so thrilled. 380 00:21:05,180 --> 00:21:08,725 We're happy to announce that the individual we have in custody 381 00:21:08,809 --> 00:21:11,603 is Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker. 382 00:21:11,687 --> 00:21:13,689 You could almost feel 383 00:21:13,772 --> 00:21:15,482 a collective sigh of relief 384 00:21:15,565 --> 00:21:17,776 settling in over all of Southern California. 385 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:20,362 I worked on that story for how long? 386 00:21:20,445 --> 00:21:22,489 Know where I was when he was arrested? 387 00:21:22,572 --> 00:21:25,909 I was at the hairdresser getting my hair cut. I'll never forget it. 388 00:21:25,993 --> 00:21:29,329 Richard Ramirez arrested today after being held by an angry crowd… 389 00:21:29,413 --> 00:21:33,166 Los Angeles Police today arrested the man they believe is the Night Stalker. 390 00:21:33,250 --> 00:21:35,585 [reporter] …the man who may be the Night Stalker in custody. 391 00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:38,505 California residents may sleep a little easier. 392 00:21:38,588 --> 00:21:40,799 I mean, my dad was so happy. 393 00:21:40,882 --> 00:21:47,264 He just loved how he was caught, that it was citizens and a neighborhood 394 00:21:47,347 --> 00:21:48,640 that had seen his picture 395 00:21:48,724 --> 00:21:52,185 and just did everything they could to not let him get away. 396 00:21:52,769 --> 00:21:58,150 I am so proud of them. I can't begin to tell you how proud we, all of us, 397 00:21:58,233 --> 00:22:00,527 are of the people in this community. 398 00:22:01,194 --> 00:22:04,114 When he came here, he made a mistake, didn't he? 399 00:22:04,656 --> 00:22:09,119 He's the suspect we were looking for, so, now comes all the work 400 00:22:09,703 --> 00:22:13,332 of tying him in to all of the other crimes that we're looking at. 401 00:22:14,166 --> 00:22:17,586 [bittersweet music playing] 402 00:22:24,468 --> 00:22:28,221 [reporter] Word of the capture spread rapidly among local residents here. 403 00:22:28,305 --> 00:22:30,724 The reaction of many: "Thank God." 404 00:22:32,893 --> 00:22:35,020 Once we got to the jail, I told him, 405 00:22:35,103 --> 00:22:37,731 "We're going to put you in a special cell. 406 00:22:38,315 --> 00:22:40,400 We're going to put you in the same cell 407 00:22:40,484 --> 00:22:43,904 as the Hillside Strangler, Kenneth Bianchi." 408 00:22:43,987 --> 00:22:46,198 You could see that he was taken over that. 409 00:22:46,948 --> 00:22:50,118 And Richard just got all jazzed. He was excited. 410 00:22:50,202 --> 00:22:51,244 We were playing a card. 411 00:22:51,328 --> 00:22:55,123 We knew he was interested in serial killings. 412 00:22:55,207 --> 00:22:57,542 This is like a celebrity cell. 413 00:22:57,626 --> 00:23:01,671 So, we're going to play it and we're gonna put him in that same cell, 414 00:23:01,755 --> 00:23:03,423 give him some status, 415 00:23:03,507 --> 00:23:05,425 let him think he's important. 416 00:23:05,509 --> 00:23:09,262 Who's to say at some point he wasn't going to tell the jailer, 417 00:23:09,346 --> 00:23:10,430 "Hey, 418 00:23:10,514 --> 00:23:13,809 tell those homicide cops to come back. I want to talk to them." 419 00:23:13,892 --> 00:23:15,352 And that's where we left him. 420 00:23:15,435 --> 00:23:19,773 We left him in Kenneth Bianchi's old cell at Central Jail. 421 00:23:19,856 --> 00:23:20,690 [prison door closing] 422 00:23:24,444 --> 00:23:28,990 [Gil] About eight o'clock, 8:30 that night, I'm done. I get out. 423 00:23:29,699 --> 00:23:33,286 That particular day, a cousin of mine was getting married. 424 00:23:33,370 --> 00:23:34,830 I go to the Hilton. 425 00:23:34,913 --> 00:23:37,416 I'm walking in from the outside into the lobby, 426 00:23:37,499 --> 00:23:39,543 and I see one of my younger sisters. 427 00:23:39,626 --> 00:23:42,379 And she's not really that affectionate with me. 428 00:23:42,462 --> 00:23:45,382 She runs up, she puts her arm, interlocks it with mine. 429 00:23:45,465 --> 00:23:47,384 "Come on. I want to walk in with you." 430 00:23:47,467 --> 00:23:50,679 I said, "Why with me?" She says, "You're the talk of the town." 431 00:23:51,346 --> 00:23:53,640 And I could hear people saying, 432 00:23:53,723 --> 00:23:56,184 "That's him. There he is. Yeah, that's him." 433 00:23:56,268 --> 00:23:59,479 They're looking, and all I care about is looking for my family. 434 00:24:00,272 --> 00:24:05,485 And I see my mom and I see my sisters, and they run up and everybody's hugging. 435 00:24:05,569 --> 00:24:06,903 They all start crying. 436 00:24:07,487 --> 00:24:09,489 We're embracing and I'm saying, 437 00:24:09,573 --> 00:24:11,658 "It's okay. It's over with. 438 00:24:12,576 --> 00:24:15,954 Everybody's fine. It's over with. We have him in custody." 439 00:24:16,496 --> 00:24:18,707 I said, "Where's my wife? 440 00:24:19,416 --> 00:24:20,959 I want my wife." 441 00:24:21,543 --> 00:24:25,797 I came down and was so happy to see him. 442 00:24:26,381 --> 00:24:29,217 She comes, we embrace, and I said, "It's over. 443 00:24:29,301 --> 00:24:31,928 You can come home now," because she had said 444 00:24:32,012 --> 00:24:35,682 she wasn't coming home till this was over. 445 00:24:35,765 --> 00:24:38,560 I said, "Come home. The kids can come home now." 446 00:24:40,770 --> 00:24:43,982 [pensive music playing] 447 00:24:54,993 --> 00:24:57,037 Subsequent to the arrest of Ramirez… 448 00:24:58,079 --> 00:25:00,790 we set up a lineup. 449 00:25:06,213 --> 00:25:07,714 [Gil] The night of the lineup, 450 00:25:07,797 --> 00:25:10,217 they brought a six-year-old surviving victim. 451 00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:12,928 [Frank] For six years old, she was just unbelievable. 452 00:25:13,512 --> 00:25:17,516 She sat in the audience of potential witnesses. 453 00:25:18,433 --> 00:25:22,229 [officer] In a loud, clear voice, repeat this statement. "Shut up, bitch." 454 00:25:23,063 --> 00:25:24,064 Shut up, bitch. 455 00:25:24,856 --> 00:25:26,858 -"Where's the money?" -Where's the money? 456 00:25:27,776 --> 00:25:29,986 -"Where's the jewelry?" -Where's the jewelry? 457 00:25:32,822 --> 00:25:36,284 I think once I knew that he couldn't see me, 458 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,328 I didn't have any… 459 00:25:39,704 --> 00:25:40,872 fear about it. 460 00:25:43,542 --> 00:25:46,044 [Gil] I said, "Is there anybody that has any questions?" 461 00:25:46,127 --> 00:25:48,964 Her little hand went up. "What is it, sweetheart?" 462 00:25:49,047 --> 00:25:51,341 Says, "Do I write the word 'two' or the number?" 463 00:25:57,430 --> 00:26:00,141 [reporter] Ramirez will be arraigned later this week. 464 00:26:00,225 --> 00:26:03,311 Prosecutors say they intend to ask for the death penalty. 465 00:26:03,395 --> 00:26:05,981 [plaintive music playing] 466 00:26:14,739 --> 00:26:18,577 [man] There was a prosecutor assigned, Phil Halpin. I was second chair. 467 00:26:18,660 --> 00:26:21,329 What I really remember is the drama in court. 468 00:26:22,831 --> 00:26:25,250 Not since the days of Charlie Manson did you have 469 00:26:25,333 --> 00:26:27,586 the circus thing going on in court. 470 00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:31,214 First of all, you had Ramirez, who was playing up to the crowd, 471 00:26:31,298 --> 00:26:36,177 and then Daniel and Arturo Hernandez came in to handle the case. 472 00:26:36,261 --> 00:26:37,887 That's when the circus started. 473 00:26:41,224 --> 00:26:44,311 [Arturo] We'd only been in practice for, you know, two years. 474 00:26:44,853 --> 00:26:47,188 We had six murder cases under our belt, 475 00:26:47,272 --> 00:26:48,565 no death penalty cases. 476 00:26:48,648 --> 00:26:52,902 We get a call from his parents' lawyers in El Paso. 477 00:26:53,486 --> 00:26:57,073 They happened to be people that I knew, because I grew up in El Paso 478 00:26:57,157 --> 00:26:59,492 and I went to University of Texas at El Paso 479 00:26:59,576 --> 00:27:01,995 and most of my friends became lawyers. 480 00:27:02,078 --> 00:27:04,914 Call comes in and they're on speakerphone. 481 00:27:05,749 --> 00:27:07,208 So, I hear the voice… 482 00:27:07,292 --> 00:27:08,710 [in Spanish] "Mr. Hernandez. 483 00:27:09,252 --> 00:27:14,257 Mr. Attorney. This is Ricardo Ramirez, Richard's father. Can you help us?" 484 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:17,802 [in English] So, we talked and he says, "Let's do it." 485 00:27:22,223 --> 00:27:23,642 [reporter] Judge Soper's comments 486 00:27:23,725 --> 00:27:26,227 that the defense might not have enough experience… 487 00:27:26,311 --> 00:27:28,855 We didn't see that as a very kosher thing to do, 488 00:27:28,938 --> 00:27:31,858 but, you know, we have to put that behind us 489 00:27:31,941 --> 00:27:34,277 and use our energy in the case. 490 00:27:34,361 --> 00:27:40,408 One of the problems that we encountered is that we were looked upon like, 491 00:27:40,492 --> 00:27:43,286 "Not capable, they're not qualified." 492 00:27:43,870 --> 00:27:46,956 These guys had never had a case of this magnitude. 493 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,627 There's a difference in defending somebody for petty theft or burglary 494 00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:54,798 than there is for multiple murders, a death penalty case. 495 00:27:54,881 --> 00:27:58,843 Let alone one that involved, you know, 13, 14 victims. 496 00:28:00,178 --> 00:28:02,472 [lawyer] The gentleman in front of Mr. Ramirez 497 00:28:02,555 --> 00:28:05,934 -really has no standing before the court. -They do to me. 498 00:28:07,018 --> 00:28:08,895 [tense music playing] 499 00:28:08,978 --> 00:28:10,438 We were concerned about a mistrial, 500 00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:13,566 we didn't know if the defense would make it through the case. 501 00:28:13,650 --> 00:28:15,318 [judge] We're still in session. 502 00:28:15,402 --> 00:28:19,280 If Mr. Halpin is going to continue with his childish acting 503 00:28:19,364 --> 00:28:21,241 to the court in front of the cameras, 504 00:28:21,324 --> 00:28:23,952 I would have to take him outside and teach him a lesson. 505 00:28:24,035 --> 00:28:25,120 [man] Just a minute. 506 00:28:27,872 --> 00:28:29,290 [Arturo] It was incredible. 507 00:28:29,374 --> 00:28:32,043 A lot of the celebrities thought we were celebrities. 508 00:28:32,752 --> 00:28:34,212 You're in the big leagues, 509 00:28:34,295 --> 00:28:36,131 and you gotta perform. 510 00:28:36,214 --> 00:28:39,676 You got to make sure that you don't totally blow it. 511 00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:42,095 You know, no strikeouts. Please, no strikeouts. 512 00:28:42,804 --> 00:28:44,848 [reporter] October 24th, 1985. 513 00:28:44,931 --> 00:28:47,142 Richard Ramirez stuns a packed courtroom. 514 00:28:47,225 --> 00:28:50,687 The man accused of 14 murders that terrorized California 515 00:28:50,770 --> 00:28:52,856 holds up his palm for the world to see. 516 00:28:52,939 --> 00:28:56,651 There is a five-pointed star enclosed in a circle, a pentagram. 517 00:28:56,735 --> 00:28:58,695 To some, it is the mark of the devil. 518 00:28:59,904 --> 00:29:03,450 Then, after pleading not guilty to all the charges, court was recessed. 519 00:29:03,533 --> 00:29:05,493 But Ramirez had the last word. 520 00:29:05,577 --> 00:29:06,661 Hail Satan! 521 00:29:06,745 --> 00:29:07,620 [crowd clamors] 522 00:29:07,704 --> 00:29:10,707 [tense music continues] 523 00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:16,421 [dramatic musical sting] 524 00:29:17,714 --> 00:29:20,633 [Tony] I am sure that generations and generations from now, 525 00:29:21,551 --> 00:29:23,845 the image of his palm with the pentagram 526 00:29:23,928 --> 00:29:27,682 and the sound of his voice saying, "Hail Satan," they'll be there. 527 00:29:28,391 --> 00:29:33,396 It was pretty clear, even then, that we were in for a roller coaster ride 528 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,648 as this wound its way through the courts. 529 00:29:41,488 --> 00:29:44,240 [Don] Ramirez had a lot of groupies, 530 00:29:44,324 --> 00:29:47,243 a lot of people that thought he was just great. 531 00:29:47,911 --> 00:29:50,079 Fame generates attraction. 532 00:29:51,831 --> 00:29:53,833 It's like the Hollywood syndrome. 533 00:29:54,626 --> 00:29:56,836 There were women that wanted to fuck Richard Ramirez 534 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,088 simply because he was famous. 535 00:30:05,094 --> 00:30:07,972 [reporter] While many spectators who attended this hearing 536 00:30:08,056 --> 00:30:11,059 believed all along that Richard Ramirez is guilty, 537 00:30:11,142 --> 00:30:14,020 there were groupies, young women dressed in black, 538 00:30:14,103 --> 00:30:17,273 who wrote letters to the defendant, wrote poems about him, 539 00:30:17,357 --> 00:30:21,569 and blame society for the trouble Ramirez now faces. 540 00:30:22,779 --> 00:30:25,240 There was a clown car of these women, right? 541 00:30:25,323 --> 00:30:28,076 In all of my years of covering trials in Los Angeles, 542 00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:31,120 I never saw a defendant with more sex appeal than Ramirez. 543 00:30:31,746 --> 00:30:34,499 [Laurel] I guess that's just the bad boy syndrome 544 00:30:34,582 --> 00:30:36,084 gone steroids. 545 00:30:37,418 --> 00:30:40,547 [Tony] He had this kind of animalistic magnetism, 546 00:30:41,130 --> 00:30:44,843 charisma that women found attractive. 547 00:30:46,845 --> 00:30:50,265 Well, I'm sorry, but I think they're the dumbest bitches ever. 548 00:30:50,348 --> 00:30:51,391 I don't get it. 549 00:30:51,474 --> 00:30:53,852 Usually you try to stay away from somebody 550 00:30:53,935 --> 00:30:56,145 that hurts you or hurts other people, 551 00:30:56,229 --> 00:30:58,940 but they wanted to be right there next to him. 552 00:31:00,149 --> 00:31:02,694 Which is mind-boggling. 553 00:31:02,777 --> 00:31:06,531 It's bewildering because Richard Ramirez wouldn't reciprocate. 554 00:31:06,614 --> 00:31:07,615 He'd look at you as… 555 00:31:08,449 --> 00:31:09,284 dinner. 556 00:31:16,666 --> 00:31:19,586 [Alan] In addition to these horrible, gruesome murders, 557 00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:24,382 Ramirez was also accused of some child molest cases. 558 00:31:24,465 --> 00:31:26,217 [Gil] Before the preliminary, 559 00:31:26,301 --> 00:31:29,721 Deputy District Attorney Phil Halpin, Sergeant Salerno, and myself 560 00:31:29,804 --> 00:31:32,974 went out to the home of the six-year-old surviving victim. 561 00:31:34,809 --> 00:31:36,185 Mommy's holding her hand, 562 00:31:36,269 --> 00:31:38,438 then she whispered something in Mommy's ear. 563 00:31:39,272 --> 00:31:43,151 And Mommy looked at me and said, "She remembers you the best, 564 00:31:43,234 --> 00:31:46,112 because you remind her of her teddy bear." That was me. 565 00:31:46,195 --> 00:31:49,490 [plaintive music playing] 566 00:31:49,574 --> 00:31:53,286 She says, "I'll go testify in court if it means keeping him locked up 567 00:31:53,369 --> 00:31:55,997 so he can't hurt other little girls like he hurt me." 568 00:31:58,082 --> 00:31:59,918 Tears started running down my cheeks 569 00:32:00,001 --> 00:32:02,879 and I just said, "Excuse me," and I got up and walked out. 570 00:32:03,504 --> 00:32:04,964 I couldn't take this. 571 00:32:06,132 --> 00:32:07,383 I've got a soft spot. 572 00:32:07,967 --> 00:32:10,219 Obviously, I've got a soft spot for kids. 573 00:32:11,763 --> 00:32:14,557 Mr. Salerno, it took him about 30 seconds longer, 574 00:32:14,641 --> 00:32:17,060 and then he walked out, joined me in the kitchen. 575 00:32:17,936 --> 00:32:20,438 And Phil Halpin, he lasted maybe a minute 576 00:32:20,521 --> 00:32:24,233 and then he came into the kitchen and he says, "What do you say, fellas?  577 00:32:24,317 --> 00:32:26,736 What do you say we dismiss all the kiddie cases?" 578 00:32:27,820 --> 00:32:30,281 Phil elected not to go forward with those counts. 579 00:32:30,365 --> 00:32:33,201 There was the issue of putting the children through this, 580 00:32:33,284 --> 00:32:37,288 given the fact that Ramirez is looking at the death penalty in 13 other cases. 581 00:32:39,290 --> 00:32:44,212 [clock ticking] 582 00:32:45,463 --> 00:32:48,216 [reporter] Ramirez was brought in shackles to his trial, 583 00:32:48,299 --> 00:32:51,886 a trial finally beginning three and a half years after his arrest. 584 00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:55,723 He is accused of 43 crimes, 13 murders, 585 00:32:55,807 --> 00:32:58,851 many counts of robbery and rape and more. 586 00:32:58,935 --> 00:33:03,314 Such is his reputation that extra security was set up outside the courtroom 587 00:33:03,398 --> 00:33:07,902 and many spectators crowded around for a glimpse of an accused serial killer. 588 00:33:07,986 --> 00:33:11,572 The whole thing was a night-- It was a painful experience 589 00:33:11,656 --> 00:33:12,865 and it never ended. 590 00:33:13,574 --> 00:33:15,702 [reporter] After a series of legal delays, 591 00:33:15,785 --> 00:33:19,163 the trial has finally begun, and it should last a long time, too. 592 00:33:19,831 --> 00:33:23,167 Prosecutors are expected to call 140 witnesses. 593 00:33:24,210 --> 00:33:26,421 [reporter 2] Maria Hernandez walked to the courtroom. 594 00:33:26,504 --> 00:33:29,507 She survived one of the Night Stalker attacks. 595 00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:32,135 [reporter 3] There was chilling testimony from survivors. 596 00:33:32,218 --> 00:33:34,679 A young Pakistani mother told a hushed courtroom… 597 00:33:34,762 --> 00:33:38,641 [woman] He said, "You bitch. You mother [bleep], you don't scream. 598 00:33:38,725 --> 00:33:40,435 Otherwise, I'm going to kill you. 599 00:33:40,518 --> 00:33:43,062 I'm gonna kill your kids in the crib 600 00:33:43,146 --> 00:33:45,023 and I'm going to kill your son, too." 601 00:33:45,106 --> 00:33:48,651 I said, "I swear I won't, sir. I won't scream. I swear upon God." 602 00:33:48,735 --> 00:33:50,361 And he slapped me one more time. 603 00:33:50,445 --> 00:33:53,322 He said, "Swear upon Satan. Swear upon Satan." 604 00:33:53,406 --> 00:33:56,242 I said, "Yes, I swear upon Satan, I won't scream." 605 00:33:59,162 --> 00:34:01,581 The emotional pain, 606 00:34:02,623 --> 00:34:05,752 you can feel it and it affects you. 607 00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:09,255 [Paul] A part of any trial is… 608 00:34:10,006 --> 00:34:13,593 way more detail about the barbarity 609 00:34:14,218 --> 00:34:17,096 and the horrendous nature of the crimes… 610 00:34:18,306 --> 00:34:20,266 and she sat through all of it. 611 00:34:21,059 --> 00:34:24,228 And I know, to this day, 612 00:34:24,312 --> 00:34:25,688 that weighs on her. 613 00:34:27,607 --> 00:34:28,733 [Laurel] I have a cat. 614 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,820 Sometimes, in the middle of the night, the cat's walking over my head 615 00:34:32,904 --> 00:34:34,072 and I open my eyes 616 00:34:34,155 --> 00:34:35,656 and the cat is staring at me 617 00:34:35,740 --> 00:34:38,951 and I realize what it would be like to be a mouse or a bird. 618 00:34:40,912 --> 00:34:44,624 I pictured what it would be like to be attacked by him, 619 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,293 to have him on top, 620 00:34:48,044 --> 00:34:52,006 to have him with a gun at your throat, knife. 621 00:34:54,133 --> 00:34:55,968 [reporter] Breaking down in tears, 622 00:34:56,052 --> 00:34:58,763 the woman said Richard Ramirez is the gunman 623 00:34:58,846 --> 00:35:03,267 who sodomized her eight-year-old son after shooting her husband in the head. 624 00:35:03,351 --> 00:35:05,645 It was a scary feeling 625 00:35:05,728 --> 00:35:07,647 to be in the same room with him, 626 00:35:08,481 --> 00:35:10,525 and you just knew 627 00:35:10,608 --> 00:35:12,276 you were in the presence of evil. 628 00:35:12,985 --> 00:35:14,195 You could feel it. 629 00:35:16,697 --> 00:35:19,075 And I think I was there for about 30 minutes, 630 00:35:19,158 --> 00:35:23,121 and then it just was too much and I couldn't take it anymore. 631 00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:27,625 And so, I had to walk outside of the courtroom just into a hallway… 632 00:35:28,376 --> 00:35:30,044 and there was a bench there. 633 00:35:30,503 --> 00:35:32,755 I sat on the bench and there were other people 634 00:35:32,839 --> 00:35:34,799 that, you know, maybe didn't make it-- 635 00:35:34,882 --> 00:35:38,136 Get a seat in the courtroom, so they were sitting outside as well. 636 00:35:38,761 --> 00:35:41,514 And I just was trying to take some deep breaths 637 00:35:41,597 --> 00:35:43,432 and sort of collect myself, 638 00:35:43,516 --> 00:35:47,061 and I was sitting next to this boy, who couldn't have been much older than me, 639 00:35:47,145 --> 00:35:49,272 maybe 19, 20, 640 00:35:49,355 --> 00:35:52,316 and I remember thinking, like, "I wonder why he's here. 641 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,527 Did he have a family member that was hurt?" 642 00:35:54,610 --> 00:35:59,073 I remember at some point he kind of lifted up the sleeves of his jacket 643 00:35:59,157 --> 00:36:00,867 and when he turned his hand over, 644 00:36:00,950 --> 00:36:03,327 I could see he had a tattoo of a pentagram. 645 00:36:04,078 --> 00:36:07,498 And then I realized that I was sitting next to somebody 646 00:36:07,582 --> 00:36:11,127 who looked up to the person that killed my grandmother. 647 00:36:11,252 --> 00:36:13,462 [jarring music playing] 648 00:36:13,546 --> 00:36:17,008 And so, even though I was outside of that courtroom, 649 00:36:17,091 --> 00:36:21,512 it was sort of this sense of just not being able to really escape it 650 00:36:21,596 --> 00:36:24,432 or get away from the darkness. 651 00:36:25,308 --> 00:36:26,851 Just sort of this feeling of… 652 00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:31,981 evil being all around you. 653 00:36:37,695 --> 00:36:40,531 [woman] I can still hear her screams during the shooting, 654 00:36:40,615 --> 00:36:43,826 then her crying, "Mommy, please don't die, please don't die," 655 00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:46,329 while I was bleeding uncontrollably in front of her. 656 00:36:47,747 --> 00:36:49,957 "Your Honor, the defense counsel 657 00:36:50,041 --> 00:36:53,961 spoke of the quality of mercy demonstrated by my mother's murderer, 658 00:36:54,045 --> 00:36:57,423 spoke of Richard Ramirez allowing several of his victims to live. 659 00:36:58,174 --> 00:37:01,510 I'd like to talk about the other side of Richard Ramirez's mercy. 660 00:37:02,136 --> 00:37:04,722 He beat my mother in the head with a heavy object. 661 00:37:04,805 --> 00:37:07,767 The same beating caused my mother to lose blood, 662 00:37:07,850 --> 00:37:09,810 blood that my brother and I cleaned up. 663 00:37:10,728 --> 00:37:12,438 He then strangled my mother. 664 00:37:12,939 --> 00:37:16,150 This is the true nature of the mercy of Richard Ramirez. 665 00:37:16,234 --> 00:37:17,485 Thank you, sir." 666 00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:20,154 The court says "thank you" at that point. 667 00:37:52,436 --> 00:37:54,146 We, the jury in the above action, 668 00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:56,524 find the defendant, Richard Ramirez, guilty of murder. 669 00:37:56,607 --> 00:37:59,485 [restrained clamoring] 670 00:37:59,568 --> 00:38:02,280 [Alan] Everything for me is a blur after that. 671 00:38:02,363 --> 00:38:04,699 They started reading the verdicts 672 00:38:04,782 --> 00:38:07,451 and it was guilty after guilty after guilty. 673 00:38:08,744 --> 00:38:09,829 Forty-three counts. 674 00:38:10,579 --> 00:38:12,748 I was very relieved to hear. 675 00:38:12,832 --> 00:38:14,041 It's just a string of 676 00:38:14,125 --> 00:38:17,044 guilty, guilty, guilty, over and over and over. 677 00:38:17,128 --> 00:38:20,756 [bittersweet music playing] 678 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,467 [Gil] Going from a time where… 679 00:38:24,010 --> 00:38:27,555 people thought I was a young punk trying to make a name for myself, 680 00:38:28,306 --> 00:38:29,432 to what I believed in, 681 00:38:30,641 --> 00:38:32,810 and what I had fought for… 682 00:38:33,769 --> 00:38:36,355 to ultimately get to the point of conviction. 683 00:38:36,439 --> 00:38:38,607 When they read "guilty" on the first count, 684 00:38:39,275 --> 00:38:41,485 then I knew the rest of them were in. 685 00:38:47,283 --> 00:38:48,826 I became very emotional. 686 00:38:50,036 --> 00:38:51,412 I went home that night 687 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:55,958 and I crawled in bed and I started crying like a baby. 688 00:38:58,669 --> 00:39:01,339 [Pearl] And without him telling me 689 00:39:01,422 --> 00:39:03,007 why he was crying, 690 00:39:04,258 --> 00:39:07,386 I just knew it in my heart. I just knew it in my heart. 691 00:39:08,054 --> 00:39:12,016 [voice growing emotional] I wished my dad would have been there. 692 00:39:15,102 --> 00:39:16,479 I wanted him to be proud… 693 00:39:17,438 --> 00:39:19,482 and I wanted to share it with him, 694 00:39:19,982 --> 00:39:21,525 and unfortunately… 695 00:39:21,609 --> 00:39:22,735 [sniffs] uh… 696 00:39:23,903 --> 00:39:25,738 he had already passed away. 697 00:39:25,821 --> 00:39:29,450 [delicate music playing] 698 00:39:34,246 --> 00:39:38,209 And my wife just leaned over and said, 699 00:39:38,292 --> 00:39:39,627 "It's okay. 700 00:39:43,547 --> 00:39:44,715 He was with you." 701 00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:49,303 I said, "Gil, your dad is with you." 702 00:40:02,733 --> 00:40:05,444 A judge in Los Angeles today sentenced Richard Ramirez, 703 00:40:05,528 --> 00:40:07,696 the so-called Night Stalker killer and rapist, 704 00:40:08,489 --> 00:40:10,366 to death in the gas chamber. 705 00:40:10,449 --> 00:40:13,285 [reporter] There was never doubt that Ramirez would be sentenced to death, 706 00:40:13,369 --> 00:40:17,081 so there were no surprises until Ramirez himself chose to speak. 707 00:40:17,164 --> 00:40:19,875 [Richard] I don't need to hear all of society's rationalizations. 708 00:40:19,959 --> 00:40:23,462 I've heard them all before and the fact remains that what is, is. 709 00:40:23,546 --> 00:40:25,965 You don't understand me. You are not expected to. 710 00:40:26,048 --> 00:40:27,383 You are not capable of it. 711 00:40:27,466 --> 00:40:30,803 I am beyond your experience. I am beyond good and evil. 712 00:40:33,514 --> 00:40:34,890 [reporter] Under California law, 713 00:40:34,974 --> 00:40:38,477 this death sentence will be automatically appealed to the state Supreme Court. 714 00:40:40,146 --> 00:40:42,982 [Richard] Big deal. Death always went with the territory. 715 00:40:43,607 --> 00:40:45,067 I'll see you in Disneyland. 716 00:40:48,821 --> 00:40:50,406 [Frank] That afternoon, 717 00:40:50,489 --> 00:40:52,825 Gil and I go over to county jail 718 00:40:52,908 --> 00:40:56,328 and we go up to his cell… 719 00:40:58,164 --> 00:41:01,625 and he flat asked, 720 00:41:01,709 --> 00:41:04,712 he just come right out and he said, "Gil," he said, 721 00:41:05,337 --> 00:41:08,007 "are you gonna go to my execution?" 722 00:41:08,090 --> 00:41:09,884 And Gil said, "I don't know." 723 00:41:10,468 --> 00:41:13,304 He says, "Frank, what about you?" I said, "Yes, I am." 724 00:41:15,514 --> 00:41:19,435 I wanted to put an end to this case in my mind, 725 00:41:20,144 --> 00:41:22,897 and that would have put an end to it. 726 00:41:23,481 --> 00:41:25,649 Killer's in custody, killer's dead. 727 00:41:25,733 --> 00:41:26,692 No more. 728 00:41:35,618 --> 00:41:37,536 [Falzon] Back in 1989, 729 00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:39,497 when we had Richard Ramirez 730 00:41:39,580 --> 00:41:41,457 en route to San Quentin, 731 00:41:42,333 --> 00:41:43,876 he looked back at me, 732 00:41:43,959 --> 00:41:45,920 big smile on his face, 733 00:41:47,087 --> 00:41:50,216 and it was very, very eerie. Very… 734 00:41:50,299 --> 00:41:51,258 surreal. 735 00:41:52,343 --> 00:41:53,719 He said, "Hey, Falzon. 736 00:41:54,428 --> 00:41:58,057 You'd like to know about the two old ladies on Telegraph Hill, 737 00:41:58,140 --> 00:41:59,600 wouldn't you?" 738 00:41:59,683 --> 00:42:06,398 Carl Klotz and I had a previous murder of two elderly ladies in Telegraph Hill. 739 00:42:06,482 --> 00:42:08,943 That crime scene was very horrific. 740 00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:13,656 And he laughed this very fiendish laugh. 741 00:42:14,490 --> 00:42:16,325 He said, "It was me." 742 00:42:16,408 --> 00:42:18,744 So, there's no doubt in my mind 743 00:42:19,328 --> 00:42:21,705 he committed other crimes in San Francisco. 744 00:42:22,289 --> 00:42:24,416 [reporter] Fingerprints have linked Ramirez 745 00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:27,294 to the murder of a 79-year-old woman in June of 1984. 746 00:42:29,463 --> 00:42:32,550 It's a long time from June… 747 00:42:33,092 --> 00:42:34,760 to March. 748 00:42:35,511 --> 00:42:39,640 It's hard to believe that he could contain himself for that long 749 00:42:39,723 --> 00:42:44,436 and then go off on a tangent for the next four to five months 750 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,106 where he goes on a killing spree. 751 00:42:48,107 --> 00:42:51,860 So I think there's a good chance there may be some other cases out there. 752 00:42:54,071 --> 00:42:56,323 [Arturo] Some things that I learned from him-- 753 00:42:56,407 --> 00:42:59,702 It wasn't his first rodeo that one year. 754 00:43:00,619 --> 00:43:03,872 I truly believe that there might be a lot more crimes out there 755 00:43:03,956 --> 00:43:05,541 that these people never caught. 756 00:43:09,378 --> 00:43:12,881 [brooding music playing] 757 00:43:18,971 --> 00:43:21,807 [Richard speaking] 758 00:43:44,622 --> 00:43:48,542 Richard Ramirez, the serial killer known as the Night Stalker, is dead. 759 00:43:48,626 --> 00:43:52,713 The California Department of Corrections said Ramirez died of natural causes today 760 00:43:52,796 --> 00:43:57,134 in a hospital after spending more than two decades on death row. 761 00:44:00,346 --> 00:44:01,263 [Laurel] Cancer. 762 00:44:06,602 --> 00:44:08,020 Such an odd death. 763 00:44:09,605 --> 00:44:11,690 Instead of staying in a box 764 00:44:11,774 --> 00:44:13,400 for decades and decades, 765 00:44:13,484 --> 00:44:16,820 he only stayed in the box for a relatively short time. 766 00:44:19,531 --> 00:44:21,033 Kind of a blessing. 767 00:44:22,701 --> 00:44:24,745 More than he gave his victims. 768 00:44:28,832 --> 00:44:30,417 [Judith] I'll never forgive him… 769 00:44:32,336 --> 00:44:34,755 because I can't forget. I live with it every day. 770 00:44:42,721 --> 00:44:47,559 Our ministry has taught us to look at all the happy memories. 771 00:44:49,311 --> 00:44:51,480 We talk about Grandma 772 00:44:51,563 --> 00:44:56,735 to the kids and to the great-grandkids now who never knew her, 773 00:44:57,444 --> 00:44:59,571 but they know about her. 774 00:45:01,448 --> 00:45:05,369 Yeah, you know, I was kidnapped and horrible things were done to me 775 00:45:05,452 --> 00:45:09,081 as a six-year-old when I'm most impressionable, and… 776 00:45:10,374 --> 00:45:12,251 I'm okay, you know? 777 00:45:12,334 --> 00:45:16,171 I grew up, I went to school, I got married, I have a family. 778 00:45:16,255 --> 00:45:22,970 You know, I'm not letting that turn me into what he was. 779 00:45:28,016 --> 00:45:31,895 [Frank] What causes a person to do what he does? 780 00:45:31,979 --> 00:45:35,274 [insidious music playing] 781 00:45:35,357 --> 00:45:36,608 I don't think we really know, 782 00:45:37,192 --> 00:45:38,318 I really don't. 783 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,407 [Gil] I believe there's a devil. I believe there's an evil. 784 00:45:43,991 --> 00:45:44,867 And… 785 00:45:45,826 --> 00:45:47,661 I say prayers at night. 786 00:45:47,745 --> 00:45:49,037 "Holy Mary, Mother of God, 787 00:45:49,121 --> 00:45:51,707 pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. 788 00:45:51,790 --> 00:45:54,251 Glory be to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. 789 00:45:54,334 --> 00:45:56,253 As it was in the beginning, is now, 790 00:45:56,336 --> 00:45:58,797 and ever shall be, world without end. Amen. 791 00:45:58,881 --> 00:46:00,841 Father, I offer these prayers up…" 792 00:46:00,924 --> 00:46:04,720 And then I go on with names, people… 793 00:46:06,388 --> 00:46:07,473 And… 794 00:46:09,558 --> 00:46:10,976 end up with… 795 00:46:13,479 --> 00:46:14,480 Ramirez. 796 00:46:32,372 --> 00:46:35,667 [faint street sounds in distance]