1 00:00:12,138 --> 00:00:15,058 -[Hillary] Hi. How are you doing? [laughs] -[vendor] Hi. What can I get for you? 2 00:00:15,141 --> 00:00:16,685 [Hillary] I want some coffee with milk. 3 00:00:16,768 --> 00:00:18,019 -[vendor] Coffee with milk? -Yeah. 4 00:00:18,103 --> 00:00:19,896 -Just black, please. Thank you. -[vendor] One coffee. 5 00:00:19,980 --> 00:00:22,315 -Lots of milk. Yeah. -[vendor] Lots of milk. 6 00:00:22,399 --> 00:00:24,150 -Are you Chelsea? -Yes, ma'am. 7 00:00:24,234 --> 00:00:26,278 -[Hillary laughs] -[squeals] I can't believe this! 8 00:00:26,361 --> 00:00:29,531 -[Chelsea] Wait, did you get your coffee? -[customer] I'm so nervous. I forgot. 9 00:00:29,614 --> 00:00:31,199 -You forgot your coffee. -Don't forget your-- 10 00:00:31,283 --> 00:00:32,784 That's your coffee. Right? 11 00:00:32,867 --> 00:00:34,744 -Here you go. -[customer] Thank you, baby. 12 00:00:34,828 --> 00:00:36,663 Thank you so much! 13 00:00:37,914 --> 00:00:39,291 Bye. Have a good one. 14 00:00:40,458 --> 00:00:45,088 Well, you know, I've always wondered because both your dad and I are lawyers, 15 00:00:45,171 --> 00:00:48,717 and you never expressed any interest in going to law school. 16 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:50,552 Though I did love arguing with you as a child. 17 00:00:50,635 --> 00:00:52,637 -Yeah. We thought you'd be a good lawyer… -And as an adult. 18 00:00:52,721 --> 00:00:54,306 …because you did love to argue. 19 00:00:54,389 --> 00:00:57,893 But didn't you use to like to watch Law and Order with your grandmother? 20 00:00:57,976 --> 00:01:00,061 [Chelsea] Grandma and I watched Law and Order 21 00:01:00,145 --> 00:01:03,231 when she would ride her-- her exercise bicycle. 22 00:01:03,315 --> 00:01:04,648 [laughs] 23 00:01:04,733 --> 00:01:07,485 And I would run on the treadmill next to her. 24 00:01:07,569 --> 00:01:09,696 In the world of Law and Order, 25 00:01:09,779 --> 00:01:12,616 crimes are always solved, the bad guys are always caught, 26 00:01:12,699 --> 00:01:14,618 -and they don't make mistakes. -Right. 27 00:01:14,701 --> 00:01:15,785 And yet, we know… 28 00:01:15,869 --> 00:01:18,705 -That's not the way it is in real life. -…that's not the way it is in real life. 29 00:01:20,665 --> 00:01:22,125 Whoo! Keep going. [laughs] 30 00:01:22,208 --> 00:01:24,044 Then I said, "freeze," and I tackled a guy. 31 00:01:24,127 --> 00:01:26,213 That is one of the reasons why I just fight so hard. 32 00:01:26,296 --> 00:01:27,797 [cheering] 33 00:01:27,881 --> 00:01:29,549 I'm so excited about this moment! 34 00:01:35,764 --> 00:01:37,432 [Chelsea] We're heading to a storytelling workshop 35 00:01:37,515 --> 00:01:40,644 with Mariska Hargitay, the star of Law and Order: SVU, 36 00:01:40,727 --> 00:01:44,814 and in real life, an advocate for survivors of sexual assault. 37 00:01:44,898 --> 00:01:49,486 [Hillary] And Mariska knows the power of telling your own story and of being heard. 38 00:01:49,569 --> 00:01:52,989 -Oh, my gosh! This is so great! -[Chelsea] Oh, hi. 39 00:01:53,073 --> 00:01:54,532 [Hargitay] You can't be as excited as I am. 40 00:01:54,616 --> 00:01:56,910 -I am! I am! -[Hargitay] Oh, my gosh. 41 00:01:56,993 --> 00:01:58,828 I feel like I should be jumping up and down too. 42 00:01:58,912 --> 00:02:01,164 And this is like a perfect place. Nice to meet in. 43 00:02:01,248 --> 00:02:03,083 -I've actually shot here. -Like pursuing somebody? 44 00:02:03,166 --> 00:02:04,542 -Talking to someone? -It was an interview. 45 00:02:04,626 --> 00:02:06,127 I walked in with my outfit, flashed my badge, 46 00:02:06,211 --> 00:02:08,004 -asked a couple questions. -You didn't have to run? 47 00:02:08,087 --> 00:02:10,006 Then I said, "freeze," and I tackled a guy. 48 00:02:10,090 --> 00:02:11,466 But we won't be doing that today. 49 00:02:11,550 --> 00:02:13,009 -Well, why not? -Shall we? 50 00:02:13,802 --> 00:02:14,844 Just give me some warning, 51 00:02:14,928 --> 00:02:15,971 -and you can tackle me. -I will. 52 00:02:16,054 --> 00:02:17,806 [group member] Starting with the right hand. Go. 53 00:02:17,889 --> 00:02:21,893 Two, one. Two, one. Two, one. Two, one. One, one, one, one. 54 00:02:21,977 --> 00:02:23,395 [cheering] 55 00:02:23,478 --> 00:02:24,980 [group member] Yes. And now, look. 56 00:02:25,063 --> 00:02:28,733 We are all shaken out, in our bodies, ready to do some storytelling. 57 00:02:28,817 --> 00:02:32,612 Storytelling at The Moth is really about a transformation in your life, right? 58 00:02:32,696 --> 00:02:34,072 It's about change. 59 00:02:34,155 --> 00:02:36,950 And so the next exercise, whatever comes to your mind first. 60 00:02:37,450 --> 00:02:40,829 "I used to be blank, but now I am blank." 61 00:02:40,912 --> 00:02:44,124 There's just so many different ways to go with this! 62 00:02:44,791 --> 00:02:50,755 I used to think that everyone was better than me, 63 00:02:51,506 --> 00:02:57,429 and now I know what I bring to the table. 64 00:02:57,512 --> 00:02:58,722 Yay. 65 00:02:58,805 --> 00:03:00,974 -[group] Aw. So good. -Big yay. 66 00:03:01,057 --> 00:03:02,225 [Hillary] We love that. 67 00:03:02,851 --> 00:03:05,937 Um, let's see. Oh, I used to wear skirts. 68 00:03:09,608 --> 00:03:11,276 That is so good! 69 00:03:11,359 --> 00:03:12,485 -And now… -[Hargitay] Yes! 70 00:03:12,569 --> 00:03:16,406 And now, I haven't worn one since probably 1999. 71 00:03:17,449 --> 00:03:20,368 When I was First Lady, I went to Brazil. 72 00:03:20,452 --> 00:03:24,122 I had on a, you know, sort of First Lady skirt suit. 73 00:03:24,205 --> 00:03:26,082 We had a nice conversation. The press came in. 74 00:03:26,166 --> 00:03:29,669 They had what's called a "press spray," so they had all these photographers. 75 00:03:29,753 --> 00:03:32,464 So we finished the meeting. We finished the visit. 76 00:03:32,547 --> 00:03:35,050 I go back to, you know, the White House. 77 00:03:35,133 --> 00:03:39,346 And somebody has taken a picture up my skirt… 78 00:03:39,429 --> 00:03:41,640 -[Hargitay] Oh! -…and has billboards 79 00:03:41,723 --> 00:03:45,810 in Rio selling a certain brand of underwear. 80 00:03:45,894 --> 00:03:47,604 -[group gasping] -[Chelsea] Oh, my Lord. 81 00:03:47,687 --> 00:03:52,734 You really couldn't see all the way up, but it was suggestive. 82 00:03:52,817 --> 00:03:55,070 So that did affect my thinking. 83 00:03:55,153 --> 00:03:58,198 And then I was gonna run for office, and I thought, "I don't need that." 84 00:03:58,281 --> 00:04:00,825 -Put on a uniform. So… -[Hargitay] Take it off the plate. 85 00:04:00,909 --> 00:04:03,787 -[Chelsea] Wow. Oh, my gosh. -That's some change right there. 86 00:04:03,870 --> 00:04:04,871 [Jenness] There you go. 87 00:04:04,955 --> 00:04:06,539 And I just learned something new about my mom. 88 00:04:06,623 --> 00:04:08,041 [group laughs] 89 00:04:09,459 --> 00:04:16,132 Your professional, uh, career is playing this strong, determined person 90 00:04:16,216 --> 00:04:20,387 who has to go out and solve crimes and bring bad people to justice. 91 00:04:20,470 --> 00:04:22,222 What do you do with that? How does it help? 92 00:04:22,305 --> 00:04:26,476 Well, it's a-- it was a very interesting, unexpected, um, journey for me 93 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:31,147 with, uh, SVU, because stories of sexual assault were being told 94 00:04:31,231 --> 00:04:35,151 every day on television in their living room. 95 00:04:35,235 --> 00:04:36,570 -Made this thing-- -Becoming visible. 96 00:04:36,653 --> 00:04:40,615 Visible. This thing that had been traditionally swept under the carpet. 97 00:04:40,699 --> 00:04:43,743 Survivors were being believed. 98 00:04:43,827 --> 00:04:45,787 That's critical. Yes! 99 00:04:45,870 --> 00:04:47,664 So there's not a failure of imagination, 100 00:04:47,747 --> 00:04:51,751 because you show people that it can be more just. 101 00:04:51,835 --> 00:04:53,962 And Chelsea, that's probably something that I hear the most. 102 00:04:54,045 --> 00:04:56,047 "I wish you were the detective on my case." 103 00:04:56,131 --> 00:04:59,384 -That is-- That is heartbreaking. -It-- Yeah, that's heartbreaking. 104 00:05:00,176 --> 00:05:01,720 When I first got the role, I thought, 105 00:05:01,803 --> 00:05:04,055 "I just need to hang out with cops. I need to hang out with cops." 106 00:05:04,139 --> 00:05:07,142 But when I went through this SAVI training program, 107 00:05:07,225 --> 00:05:09,603 Sexual Assault Violence Intervention program, 108 00:05:09,686 --> 00:05:13,690 the training was primarily listening. 109 00:05:14,441 --> 00:05:16,693 Having somebody bear witness to your story 110 00:05:16,776 --> 00:05:21,698 is the commencement of… justice. 111 00:05:21,781 --> 00:05:22,866 [Hillary] I love that. 112 00:05:26,786 --> 00:05:30,582 [Chelsea] As a domestic violence survivor and as a mentor to girls in her community, 113 00:05:30,665 --> 00:05:33,460 Katrina has also found strength in listening. 114 00:05:33,543 --> 00:05:36,671 And I'm on my way to meet up with her and some of her girls 115 00:05:36,755 --> 00:05:38,381 for a self-defense class. 116 00:05:39,799 --> 00:05:41,509 -[Brownlee] Hi! -[Chelsea] Hi! 117 00:05:41,593 --> 00:05:43,136 -Can I give you a hug? -I wanna hug you too. 118 00:05:43,220 --> 00:05:44,554 [Chelsea] Okay, good. 119 00:05:44,638 --> 00:05:47,057 So I've only taken, uh, one self-defense class… 120 00:05:47,140 --> 00:05:49,351 -Well, I haven't. -…and it was about 20 years ago. 121 00:05:50,268 --> 00:05:52,729 So we getting our butts kicked today. [chuckles] 122 00:05:52,812 --> 00:05:53,772 I'll do the best I can. 123 00:05:53,855 --> 00:05:56,107 If you fall, I'll pick you up. If I fall, you pick me up. All right? 124 00:05:56,191 --> 00:05:57,734 -Always. -All right. Come on. 125 00:05:58,944 --> 00:06:02,948 [teacher] Five. Four. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. 126 00:06:03,031 --> 00:06:05,575 -Three. Two. -[Brownlee] You got it. Keep going. 127 00:06:05,659 --> 00:06:08,370 -[teacher] Time! -Keep going. Whoo! [laughs] 128 00:06:11,373 --> 00:06:13,875 -That's so funny. -[teacher] All right, folks! 129 00:06:14,542 --> 00:06:17,963 So, show me your fighting stance. 130 00:06:18,046 --> 00:06:19,798 Your ready stance. Right? 131 00:06:19,881 --> 00:06:21,466 -Go! -[class] No! 132 00:06:22,509 --> 00:06:25,136 [Brownlee] Young Ladies of Our Future is a workshop program 133 00:06:25,220 --> 00:06:27,973 with self-esteem, self-awareness, um, 134 00:06:28,056 --> 00:06:31,518 nutrition, meditation, anti-violence. 135 00:06:32,102 --> 00:06:33,645 So Brownsville was a neighborhood 136 00:06:33,728 --> 00:06:36,690 that I felt that needed a little bit more attention. 137 00:06:37,649 --> 00:06:40,110 It's a lot of kids that's at risk. 138 00:06:40,610 --> 00:06:43,238 So had any of you taken a self-defense class before? 139 00:06:43,321 --> 00:06:44,573 [group] Mm-mmm. No. No. 140 00:06:44,656 --> 00:06:46,950 No. Was it what you expected? 141 00:06:47,033 --> 00:06:50,453 I thought they was gonna have, like, the guys in the suits, 142 00:06:50,537 --> 00:06:52,289 and we gotta attack them and all that. 143 00:06:52,372 --> 00:06:55,041 It wasn't scary enough for you. Is that what you're saying? 144 00:06:55,125 --> 00:06:56,710 [group members laughing] 145 00:06:56,793 --> 00:07:01,047 I mean, I was scared as a kid in Little Rock when, um-- 146 00:07:01,131 --> 00:07:03,675 We had metal detectors at my junior high school 147 00:07:03,758 --> 00:07:06,970 because there were so many guns in that neighborhood. 148 00:07:07,053 --> 00:07:09,556 What would you change about your schools? 149 00:07:10,432 --> 00:07:12,559 [Carmen] Yeah, and we need metal detectors in our school 150 00:07:12,642 --> 00:07:16,229 because people be getting stabbed or killed in schools 151 00:07:16,313 --> 00:07:20,025 bathrooms and everything. So I'm kind of worried about that. 152 00:07:20,108 --> 00:07:23,403 [Brownlee] I want to get justice for other people, 153 00:07:23,486 --> 00:07:26,448 being that I wasn't able to get justice for myself. 154 00:07:26,948 --> 00:07:31,161 My ex-fiancé was a correction officer in Rikers Island. 155 00:07:31,244 --> 00:07:33,830 It was law enforcement. So I thought it was pretty cool. 156 00:07:35,123 --> 00:07:37,417 But it was just, uh, abusive relationship. 157 00:07:38,627 --> 00:07:40,587 I decided to leave. 158 00:07:40,670 --> 00:07:43,215 So January 9, 1993, 159 00:07:43,298 --> 00:07:46,343 my ex-fiancé and I were having, um, a conversation. 160 00:07:47,344 --> 00:07:51,932 My youngest daughter I had in my arms, and I was also pregnant at the time. 161 00:07:52,515 --> 00:07:56,728 I had went inside and put the youngest daughter in her bed, 162 00:07:57,354 --> 00:08:01,191 and when I came out the room, he pointed a gun at me. 163 00:08:01,983 --> 00:08:04,236 And told me that, "This is the day you gonna die, bitch." 164 00:08:08,198 --> 00:08:10,116 I was shot ten times. 165 00:08:12,118 --> 00:08:13,870 I came out of the coma. 166 00:08:13,954 --> 00:08:19,042 The first thing that I asked was where was the baby that I was pregnant with. 167 00:08:20,502 --> 00:08:24,214 The doctor explained to me my baby did not live. 168 00:08:24,297 --> 00:08:26,675 Um, he lived two hours. 169 00:08:27,676 --> 00:08:31,304 And so, that's my story. 170 00:08:34,515 --> 00:08:37,644 [Chelsea] You know, Mariska, one of the things I've always really respected, 171 00:08:37,726 --> 00:08:44,401 you know, are treating people who have survived horrific things done to them 172 00:08:44,484 --> 00:08:46,820 -as survivors and not victims. -[Hargitay] Yes. 173 00:08:46,903 --> 00:08:49,781 -Right? So that they are not defined by… -No. 174 00:08:49,864 --> 00:08:52,784 …the choices that someone made to take something from them. 175 00:08:52,867 --> 00:08:58,748 Exactly. When somebody gets their watch stolen or their car stolen, 176 00:08:58,832 --> 00:09:02,961 we wanna be believed, we wanna be respected, we wanna be heard. 177 00:09:03,044 --> 00:09:06,006 When somebody gets part of their body stolen, 178 00:09:06,798 --> 00:09:07,966 they want the same thing. 179 00:09:08,049 --> 00:09:09,175 Exactly. 180 00:09:09,259 --> 00:09:15,932 And that's what-- Our vision for Joyful Heart was that your surv-- 181 00:09:16,016 --> 00:09:20,437 survival is the-- a band to be celebrated. 182 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:21,771 That's your power. 183 00:09:21,855 --> 00:09:27,444 I just recently, um, started sharing with people that I was raped. 184 00:09:28,111 --> 00:09:32,741 And I feel so, um, 185 00:09:33,408 --> 00:09:36,286 grateful of being able to say that. 186 00:09:36,369 --> 00:09:39,956 Although, it was a long journey for me, 187 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,626 even me, to be able to say it. 188 00:09:42,709 --> 00:09:46,046 But now I go, "That thing that happened to me doesn't define me." 189 00:09:46,129 --> 00:09:49,466 -Right. -If anything, look at me now. 190 00:09:49,549 --> 00:09:51,176 [Chelsea] Mm-hmm. 191 00:09:53,345 --> 00:09:55,513 When everybody sits in a room together 192 00:09:55,597 --> 00:09:58,892 and listens to somebody tell this true, personal story from their life, 193 00:09:58,975 --> 00:10:01,436 something that means something to them, that they care about, 194 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:03,438 it's just a transformative experience. 195 00:10:04,272 --> 00:10:06,858 So, would anybody like to volunteer to go first? 196 00:10:06,942 --> 00:10:08,318 Okay. 197 00:10:08,401 --> 00:10:10,654 -[Roberts] All right. Okay. -[Hargitay] Thank you. 198 00:10:11,154 --> 00:10:15,367 Um, so my mother died when she was 34. 199 00:10:16,159 --> 00:10:19,371 And my grandfather died when he was 34. 200 00:10:19,454 --> 00:10:22,958 And so, on my 34th birthday-- 201 00:10:23,041 --> 00:10:26,336 I always was just frightened of it, of what does it mean, 202 00:10:26,419 --> 00:10:28,046 like I was next in line. 203 00:10:28,630 --> 00:10:31,550 And I had this beautiful trip planned. 204 00:10:31,633 --> 00:10:34,594 I got invited with a bunch of my artist friends 205 00:10:34,678 --> 00:10:37,472 to caravan on motorcycles 206 00:10:37,556 --> 00:10:40,141 to Las Vegas for Cirque du Soleil. 207 00:10:40,225 --> 00:10:44,688 And they were a little like, you know, loosey-goosey, crazy, hippie types. 208 00:10:44,771 --> 00:10:46,356 -[group chuckling] -And I said, um, 209 00:10:46,439 --> 00:10:49,276 I will go if I can drive my car. 210 00:10:50,110 --> 00:10:53,446 So we're about two and half hours in, and everyone's like, 211 00:10:53,530 --> 00:10:56,241 "Mariska. You know, don't play it so safe." 212 00:10:56,324 --> 00:11:00,495 And I said, "You know what? I don't wanna live my life based in fear." 213 00:11:00,579 --> 00:11:04,332 So, um, I got on, and we're driving along. 214 00:11:04,416 --> 00:11:06,167 And within maybe 30 seconds, 215 00:11:06,251 --> 00:11:10,547 one of the cars that was with us, uh, was looking at her cell phone 216 00:11:10,630 --> 00:11:13,967 and hit my motorcycle. 217 00:11:14,050 --> 00:11:18,138 And everything stopped. And I went flying through the air. 218 00:11:18,889 --> 00:11:21,516 And I thought, "Wow, I can't believe this. 219 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,393 You're gonna die like they did." 220 00:11:24,060 --> 00:11:30,150 And then I landed on the ground and realized that I was alive. 221 00:11:31,943 --> 00:11:37,490 And that I didn't carry the karma of the past. 222 00:11:37,574 --> 00:11:40,952 And, uh, my life began. Yeah. 223 00:11:41,036 --> 00:11:43,747 -[group cheering] -[Roberts] Wow. 224 00:11:43,830 --> 00:11:45,332 Wow! 225 00:11:49,961 --> 00:11:51,922 [teacher] All right, couple more hits! 226 00:11:52,005 --> 00:11:53,465 Now, this is fine. 227 00:11:53,548 --> 00:11:57,552 Five. Four. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. 228 00:11:57,636 --> 00:11:59,679 -Three. Two. -[Brownlee] You got it. Keep going. 229 00:12:00,263 --> 00:12:01,973 -[teacher] Time! -[Brownlee] Keep going. Whoo! 230 00:12:02,057 --> 00:12:04,601 Once I came out of the coma, 231 00:12:04,684 --> 00:12:08,396 the doctor and his staff told me that I wouldn't be able to walk again. 232 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,858 I wouldn't talk. I wouldn't be able to live a normal life. 233 00:12:12,984 --> 00:12:14,819 But I had a physical therapist. 234 00:12:14,903 --> 00:12:18,990 And he said to me, um-- He believed that I would walk again. 235 00:12:19,074 --> 00:12:21,993 I said to him, I was like, "I can't walk again. 236 00:12:22,077 --> 00:12:24,704 The doctors told me that I'm not gonna walk." 237 00:12:25,664 --> 00:12:28,875 And he was like, "I don't believe that. 238 00:12:28,959 --> 00:12:33,088 Something's telling me that you can do it." 239 00:12:35,423 --> 00:12:37,634 And then once I took that first step, 240 00:12:39,219 --> 00:12:41,221 nothing's gonna stop me. 241 00:12:42,180 --> 00:12:44,516 You don't know if you're not taught 242 00:12:44,599 --> 00:12:46,810 that you're not supposed to be in a toxic relationship. 243 00:12:46,893 --> 00:12:49,104 You're not supposed to be in a bad relationship. 244 00:12:49,187 --> 00:12:51,231 And you did ask for help, didn't you? 245 00:12:51,314 --> 00:12:54,901 -In your domestic violence situation. -Oh, I had asked for help many a times 246 00:12:54,985 --> 00:12:55,819 from the police. 247 00:12:55,902 --> 00:12:56,987 And did they ever come? 248 00:12:57,070 --> 00:12:58,446 They came, but they never helped 249 00:12:58,530 --> 00:13:01,658 because he was a law enforcement officer. 250 00:13:02,367 --> 00:13:05,912 Whether I had a black eye, whether I had a busted lip, 251 00:13:05,996 --> 00:13:10,125 he would show his badge, and they wouldn't say anything to me. 252 00:13:10,709 --> 00:13:11,877 Whew! 253 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,129 They would just leave me just like that. 254 00:13:16,673 --> 00:13:19,009 In the end, the justice system failed me. 255 00:13:19,092 --> 00:13:20,218 He did ten years. 256 00:13:20,302 --> 00:13:21,303 For shooting you ten times. 257 00:13:21,386 --> 00:13:24,055 For shooting me. He got one year for every bullet he shot me. 258 00:13:24,139 --> 00:13:25,640 Does that feel like justice? 259 00:13:25,724 --> 00:13:28,476 That's not justice. It can't be justice. 260 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:30,812 And yet, you still became a police officer. 261 00:13:30,896 --> 00:13:32,397 Still became a police officer, 262 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,735 because I wanted to be able to give what I didn't get. 263 00:13:36,818 --> 00:13:40,447 And so what do you say though to young people who think like, ah… 264 00:13:40,530 --> 00:13:43,909 like, policing's broken in our country? 265 00:13:43,992 --> 00:13:48,997 It is broken. But what I say is that you can get into the police department, 266 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,083 and you can be a voice. And you can be a-- be that change. 267 00:13:55,170 --> 00:13:58,048 We need police because people do commit crimes. 268 00:13:58,131 --> 00:14:01,760 But they're not training them to be dealing with mental health. 269 00:14:01,843 --> 00:14:04,137 They're not training them to deal with 270 00:14:04,221 --> 00:14:07,807 a person that has real domestic violence issues. 271 00:14:07,891 --> 00:14:09,809 The police shouldn't be for everything. 272 00:14:09,893 --> 00:14:11,102 [teacher] Good. 273 00:14:11,186 --> 00:14:14,689 [Brownlee] I spoke with my chief and said, "I really wanna start a mentor program." 274 00:14:14,773 --> 00:14:16,274 And he thought it was a great idea. 275 00:14:17,108 --> 00:14:19,319 [teacher] And taking one more deep breath in 276 00:14:20,487 --> 00:14:22,113 and out through the mouth. 277 00:14:25,075 --> 00:14:26,409 And then shake it all out. 278 00:14:26,493 --> 00:14:27,994 -Thank you so much. -That was good. Thank you. 279 00:14:29,537 --> 00:14:31,790 Well, Miss Katrina taught us, like, 280 00:14:32,290 --> 00:14:34,834 what kind of group we're supposed to hang out with. 281 00:14:34,918 --> 00:14:36,753 -[Chelsea] And was that helpful? -Mm-hmm. 282 00:14:36,836 --> 00:14:38,797 They know how to help me with my stink attitude. 283 00:14:40,757 --> 00:14:41,591 Yep. 284 00:14:41,675 --> 00:14:46,680 This group helped me gain confidence in, like, who I am. 285 00:14:46,763 --> 00:14:48,723 It made me, like, be myself. 286 00:14:48,807 --> 00:14:53,603 And it showed me that there's, like, a lot of opportunity that us girls could do 287 00:14:53,687 --> 00:14:57,274 to help this community and everything. So, yeah. 288 00:14:57,357 --> 00:14:59,776 And I got new friends. 289 00:14:59,859 --> 00:15:01,903 Especially this annoying one right here. [chuckles] 290 00:15:01,987 --> 00:15:04,614 [Brownlee] When Carmen first came, remember, she didn't even talk. 291 00:15:04,698 --> 00:15:07,158 She was just very quiet. 292 00:15:07,242 --> 00:15:09,536 She didn't even talk, and now look at you. 293 00:15:09,619 --> 00:15:11,788 My girl got her nails done. 294 00:15:11,871 --> 00:15:14,457 -She's teasing people. -That's right. Teasing people. 295 00:15:14,541 --> 00:15:17,961 So I'm-- I'm proud of you, darling. I'm proud of all of you guys. 296 00:15:18,044 --> 00:15:20,964 [group chuckling] 297 00:15:22,841 --> 00:15:27,178 [Chelsea] Like Katrina, Brittany has seen the justice system from different angles. 298 00:15:27,262 --> 00:15:29,764 In her work as an attorney arguing for clemency 299 00:15:29,848 --> 00:15:32,017 for people who were unjustly sentenced. 300 00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:35,395 And as the daughter of a formerly incarcerated mother. 301 00:15:36,271 --> 00:15:38,356 -Hi. How are you? -Hi. 302 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,108 -[Barnett] Pleasure to meet you. -[Hillary] Good. 303 00:15:40,191 --> 00:15:43,778 We're gonna go in to Refoundry and learn more about what they're doing here. 304 00:15:43,862 --> 00:15:45,989 [Hillary] Good. I also love the name, "Refoundry." 305 00:15:46,072 --> 00:15:49,451 The mission of Refoundry is to reduce recidivism and unemployment 306 00:15:49,534 --> 00:15:51,161 for people coming home from prison. 307 00:15:51,244 --> 00:15:52,329 This is Gene. 308 00:15:52,412 --> 00:15:55,540 He was a graduate of our first cohort in New York, 309 00:15:55,624 --> 00:15:56,917 and he's a master craftsman, 310 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,836 and he's gonna show you how to do some things today. 311 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:03,715 You ladies is going to make a wine rack. 312 00:16:03,798 --> 00:16:05,467 -Okay. -All right. 313 00:16:06,051 --> 00:16:10,096 [Manigo] I'm giving you a stain to make the wood look antique. 314 00:16:10,180 --> 00:16:11,306 -[Hillary] Great. -[Chelsea] Okay. 315 00:16:11,389 --> 00:16:14,476 [Manigo] One of you brush on, the other one count to five and wipe off. 316 00:16:14,559 --> 00:16:16,478 What happens if we count to seven? 317 00:16:16,561 --> 00:16:18,772 -Seven is good too. -[all chuckling] 318 00:16:18,855 --> 00:16:21,066 [Hillary] Are you a crafty person, Brittany? 319 00:16:21,149 --> 00:16:23,443 [Barnett] I had to be really crafty with legal arguments. 320 00:16:23,526 --> 00:16:25,403 -Yeah! You do. That's true. -[chuckles] 321 00:16:25,487 --> 00:16:28,490 You really are one of the pioneers of this movement. 322 00:16:28,573 --> 00:16:32,786 I like to say I started doing clemency before clemency was cool. 323 00:16:32,869 --> 00:16:37,249 I personally have helped free 36 people from life sentences. 324 00:16:37,332 --> 00:16:40,252 [Hillary] So, give us a little bit more about your background. 325 00:16:40,335 --> 00:16:42,796 I always wanted to be a lawyer. I wanted to be Clair Huxtable. 326 00:16:42,879 --> 00:16:43,880 Oh, gosh, yeah. 327 00:16:43,964 --> 00:16:46,591 [Barnett] But growing up in rural East Texas, 328 00:16:46,675 --> 00:16:50,470 there's not a lot of lawyers, and there aren't any who look like me. 329 00:16:50,554 --> 00:16:55,100 And so, that dream, you know, I kind of lost sight of it for a while. 330 00:16:56,059 --> 00:16:57,602 My mom was in prison at the time, 331 00:16:57,686 --> 00:17:00,313 so I was just trying to make it with my sister. 332 00:17:00,397 --> 00:17:04,150 And I just said, "Hey, you know, I'm thinking about going to law school." 333 00:17:04,234 --> 00:17:07,487 I learned about the 1986 Anti-Drug Abuse Act. 334 00:17:07,571 --> 00:17:11,032 We must be intolerant of drug use and drug sellers. 335 00:17:11,783 --> 00:17:14,202 [crowd laughing, applause] 336 00:17:15,286 --> 00:17:18,957 We will see large numbers of poor people 337 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:23,795 and specifically Blacks going to jail and to prison. 338 00:17:23,879 --> 00:17:25,964 More affluent white people were using powder cocaine, 339 00:17:26,046 --> 00:17:28,925 and crack cocaine was running rampant through communities of color. 340 00:17:29,009 --> 00:17:32,429 And it-- it causes disproportionate amount of Black and brown people 341 00:17:32,512 --> 00:17:35,015 to be in prison for drugs. 342 00:17:35,098 --> 00:17:38,685 My mom was in prison. She had a addiction to crack cocaine. 343 00:17:38,768 --> 00:17:42,606 And my mother needed rehabilitation, not prison. [chuckles] 344 00:17:42,689 --> 00:17:46,735 And I always say, "My mother became sober despite of prison, 345 00:17:46,818 --> 00:17:48,320 -not because of it." -[Hillary] Mmm. 346 00:17:50,614 --> 00:17:52,949 [Barnett] I remember visiting my mom for the first time in prison, 347 00:17:53,033 --> 00:17:54,784 and we had to visit through the glass. 348 00:17:54,868 --> 00:17:57,203 And what really got me that day 349 00:17:57,287 --> 00:18:01,917 was seeing a tiny little print on the glass 350 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,004 where some younger child had tried to reach their mother before my visit. 351 00:18:06,087 --> 00:18:07,881 And it broke me. 352 00:18:07,964 --> 00:18:11,176 When one person goes to prison, the entire family is incarcerated. 353 00:18:11,259 --> 00:18:13,386 I know that from first-hand experience, 354 00:18:13,470 --> 00:18:15,972 and so, Girls Embracing Mothers was born. 355 00:18:16,765 --> 00:18:18,767 With GEM, we really want to prevent 356 00:18:18,850 --> 00:18:21,228 a future generation of girls from entering the system, 357 00:18:21,311 --> 00:18:24,231 but also thrive and not just survive. 358 00:18:24,314 --> 00:18:27,817 And it's a unique visit. They brought in a-- a lunch 359 00:18:28,318 --> 00:18:31,863 and they brought in a lesson, and they also brought in art therapy. 360 00:18:31,947 --> 00:18:33,949 -You could touch each other. -So you could touch each other. 361 00:18:34,032 --> 00:18:36,785 And they put you in one room versus the visitation in a prison. 362 00:18:36,868 --> 00:18:39,579 You go in, you sit on the other side of the table, 363 00:18:39,663 --> 00:18:41,081 and you have to stay there. 364 00:18:41,164 --> 00:18:44,084 With these visits, you're in a big room, and you have your daughter. 365 00:18:44,167 --> 00:18:46,711 You can do her hair, you can hug on her. 366 00:18:46,795 --> 00:18:49,756 [Hillary] Why, Brittany, aren't there more programs like that? 367 00:18:49,839 --> 00:18:54,844 I mean… [scoffs] …you know, it just seems so obvious to me 368 00:18:54,928 --> 00:18:56,471 that there is such a need. 369 00:18:56,555 --> 00:18:59,808 I think because we have a criminal legal system in this country 370 00:18:59,891 --> 00:19:01,768 that is so focused on punishment. 371 00:19:01,851 --> 00:19:02,936 Mm-hmm. 372 00:19:03,019 --> 00:19:06,606 And there's been years of this misguided appeal for law and order 373 00:19:06,690 --> 00:19:09,859 a-and we've lost sight of humanity. 374 00:19:11,236 --> 00:19:16,449 [Hillary] Angelica, t-tell us about your journey that bring you here today 375 00:19:16,533 --> 00:19:19,160 and also, you know, the work that you do now. 376 00:19:19,244 --> 00:19:22,914 I've suffered from addiction, um, early on. 377 00:19:22,998 --> 00:19:25,250 Um, got introduced, you know, through family. 378 00:19:25,333 --> 00:19:28,295 The last time I went in, I was clean going in, 379 00:19:28,378 --> 00:19:31,631 and I was on a ten-year probation, and I couldn't find work. 380 00:19:31,715 --> 00:19:33,008 Nobody would hire me. 381 00:19:33,091 --> 00:19:37,721 So I wasn't able to pay the fees that I was ordered to pay monthly. 382 00:19:39,097 --> 00:19:41,683 You know, but I was raising these three kids on my own. 383 00:19:41,766 --> 00:19:46,354 So when I went back to court, he sentenced me to two years TDC. 384 00:19:49,107 --> 00:19:52,110 My daughter was 11 at the time and she had seen Mommy in and out. 385 00:19:52,193 --> 00:19:54,905 She had heard Mommy's gonna do better and never did. 386 00:19:54,988 --> 00:19:56,531 And she was-- she was fed up. 387 00:19:59,242 --> 00:20:02,871 The first couple of visits were in complete silence. 388 00:20:03,705 --> 00:20:07,876 The GEM program came in, and we were doing a project together, 389 00:20:07,959 --> 00:20:09,252 and she broke, and she says, 390 00:20:09,336 --> 00:20:11,213 "Mommy, I don't know how to do this. Can you help me?" 391 00:20:11,296 --> 00:20:12,505 [clicks tongue] Mmm. 392 00:20:12,589 --> 00:20:15,258 Ooh. You know, as a mother, those words right there that-- 393 00:20:15,342 --> 00:20:18,637 when you been longing for your daughter just to want you. 394 00:20:19,221 --> 00:20:21,598 And it's only because of Girls Embracing Mothers 395 00:20:21,681 --> 00:20:25,644 that was able to show me a different way to live. 396 00:20:28,605 --> 00:20:30,482 [Barnett] How can we help people flourish 397 00:20:31,149 --> 00:20:34,402 and really use their experience to help others? 398 00:20:34,486 --> 00:20:38,323 And that is why it makes me so happy to have Angelica here. 399 00:20:38,406 --> 00:20:40,659 She's our program director now. 400 00:20:40,742 --> 00:20:42,869 It's not just about releasing people from prison, 401 00:20:42,953 --> 00:20:45,372 -but what are we releasing them into? -[Chelsea] Right. 402 00:20:45,455 --> 00:20:49,459 And so that economic-empowerment aspect of it is very important for me. 403 00:20:49,542 --> 00:20:52,379 -It is. It should be. -It will help stop the cycle of poverty 404 00:20:52,462 --> 00:20:54,881 that's leading to violent crimes. 405 00:20:55,507 --> 00:20:58,009 You have proven a model that works. 406 00:20:58,093 --> 00:21:01,263 You've also enlisted some terrific champions 407 00:21:01,346 --> 00:21:03,056 like, uh, Kim Kardashian. 408 00:21:03,139 --> 00:21:06,017 [Barnett] She saw me, and she supported my work 409 00:21:06,101 --> 00:21:09,187 at a time when not many people would. 410 00:21:14,317 --> 00:21:15,569 ["Woman Like Me" playing] 411 00:21:15,652 --> 00:21:18,196 [Chelsea] Challenging unjust sentencing is not easy. 412 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,699 And when Kim heard about what Brittany was doing, 413 00:21:20,782 --> 00:21:22,617 she was inspired to help. 414 00:21:22,701 --> 00:21:27,038 And then Kim decided to go to law school so she could do even more 415 00:21:27,122 --> 00:21:30,667 to try to help make our justice system more just. 416 00:21:30,750 --> 00:21:34,296 [Hillary] When you think about it, she has this enormous global platform. 417 00:21:34,379 --> 00:21:36,298 [Chelsea] Hundreds of millions of people who follow her. 418 00:21:36,381 --> 00:21:38,925 [Hillary laughs] Hundreds of millions, which is almost impossible 419 00:21:39,009 --> 00:21:41,011 -to even comprehend. -[Chelsea] Probably on every continent. 420 00:21:41,094 --> 00:21:42,929 -Maybe even Antarctica. -[Hillary] I bet they are. 421 00:21:44,097 --> 00:21:46,141 [song ends] 422 00:21:46,224 --> 00:21:49,269 -How are you? -Oh, my gosh, girl. Oh! 423 00:21:49,352 --> 00:21:51,104 -[Kardashian] Hi. How are you? -Hi. I'm fine. 424 00:21:51,187 --> 00:21:52,939 -Oh, my gosh. -Good. 425 00:21:58,069 --> 00:22:00,530 So, Kim, we both had lawyers as parents, 426 00:22:00,614 --> 00:22:03,533 and admittedly I never wanted to be a lawyer when I was a little kid. 427 00:22:03,617 --> 00:22:05,452 Did you wanna be a lawyer when you were little? 428 00:22:05,535 --> 00:22:08,330 Did you look at your dad, and you're like, "I can see myself doing that"? No? 429 00:22:08,413 --> 00:22:09,956 -I actually did. -You did? 430 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:14,544 In his office, there was every evidence book that you could imagine. 431 00:22:14,628 --> 00:22:19,799 And my sisters would be in the pool with all of our friends outside having fun. 432 00:22:19,883 --> 00:22:23,762 And I would be in his office going through all of the evidence books. 433 00:22:23,845 --> 00:22:26,056 [laughs] It was meant to be, right? 434 00:22:26,139 --> 00:22:28,391 -Everything has a reason. -[Chelsea] All on the journey. 435 00:22:28,475 --> 00:22:29,809 [Chelsea] Are we ready to play a game? 436 00:22:29,893 --> 00:22:32,896 I'm looking at you, Mom, 'cause Kim has studied more recently than you. 437 00:22:32,979 --> 00:22:35,982 [Hillary] I don't know. I think Kim has an unfair advantage. 438 00:22:36,066 --> 00:22:38,276 It took me a few times, but we got here. 439 00:22:39,694 --> 00:22:44,950 All right. "Under what circumstances may one use deadly force 440 00:22:45,033 --> 00:22:46,952 -to defend themselves?" Yes? -[buzzer sounds] 441 00:22:47,035 --> 00:22:50,538 When one is being faced with deadly force themselves 442 00:22:50,622 --> 00:22:53,708 or one believes that deadly force is imminent. 443 00:22:53,792 --> 00:22:54,626 [bell chimes] 444 00:22:54,709 --> 00:22:58,797 "Distinguish extortion/blackmail and robbery." 445 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,090 [buzzer sounds] 446 00:23:00,173 --> 00:23:04,219 Well, you know, robbery is usually a physical crime, 447 00:23:04,302 --> 00:23:07,514 whereas extortion and blackmail don't require that. 448 00:23:07,597 --> 00:23:09,349 -[bell chimes] -Okay, another point for you, Mom. 449 00:23:09,432 --> 00:23:11,518 -Thank you very much. -[Chelsea] Yeah. All right. 450 00:23:11,601 --> 00:23:14,980 -[buzzer sounding] -[bells chiming] 451 00:23:15,063 --> 00:23:16,481 [Chelsea] Correct. 452 00:23:17,107 --> 00:23:20,068 -Mom, you made a good effort. -[Hillary laughs] 453 00:23:20,151 --> 00:23:21,319 Thanks, honey. 454 00:23:21,403 --> 00:23:23,613 So, Kim, one of the reasons we wanted to talk to you 455 00:23:23,697 --> 00:23:26,241 is because of the work you've done 456 00:23:26,324 --> 00:23:30,203 and your commitment to, uh, criminal justice reform. 457 00:23:30,287 --> 00:23:34,874 Let me ask you about the decision to actually go to the White House. 458 00:23:34,958 --> 00:23:37,752 I remember going into a meeting at the Roosevelt Room. 459 00:23:37,836 --> 00:23:39,504 It was a clemency meeting, 460 00:23:39,588 --> 00:23:42,382 and my mentors were in there with me. 461 00:23:42,465 --> 00:23:45,302 -And they used every abbreviation… -[Hillary laughs] 462 00:23:45,385 --> 00:23:48,305 -…that I had no idea what anything meant. -Where's the decoder? 463 00:23:48,388 --> 00:23:51,433 Yeah, so they're like, "The DOJ," and I'm, like, sitting here texting, 464 00:23:51,516 --> 00:23:53,226 "What is the DOJ?" 465 00:23:53,310 --> 00:23:55,437 And she's like, "Department of Justice," and I was like, 466 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,315 "How am I supposed to know? I've never been in here before." 467 00:23:58,398 --> 00:23:59,900 Is that when you decided to go to law school? 468 00:23:59,983 --> 00:24:01,192 -In that moment? -[Kardashian] Yeah. Yeah. 469 00:24:01,276 --> 00:24:03,653 -Oh, that's cool. What a great moment. -Because I was so embarrassed. 470 00:24:03,737 --> 00:24:06,573 And even though it took me about a year and a half longer 471 00:24:06,656 --> 00:24:09,659 'cause I kept on not passing the test… 472 00:24:09,743 --> 00:24:10,869 But you never gave up. 473 00:24:10,952 --> 00:24:12,454 I never gave up. 474 00:24:12,537 --> 00:24:14,706 -Mm-hmm. -And, you know, my kids were there 475 00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:17,792 every time I opened my results. And so they'd see me cry. 476 00:24:17,876 --> 00:24:19,794 And then the last time they saw me cry 477 00:24:19,878 --> 00:24:22,422 -the best tears of happiness… -Yeah. Joy, right? 478 00:24:22,505 --> 00:24:23,840 …that, like, I did it. 479 00:24:23,924 --> 00:24:26,468 I mean, that is one of the reasons why I just fight so hard. 480 00:24:26,551 --> 00:24:29,179 Is because my kids, if they were to get arrested, 481 00:24:30,305 --> 00:24:34,142 just don't have as good of a chance as if I were to get arrested. 482 00:24:34,226 --> 00:24:37,187 -Or my kids. My white kids. -If you were arrested. Your kids, yeah. 483 00:24:37,270 --> 00:24:41,441 And that is something that I felt, like, keeps me going. 484 00:24:46,613 --> 00:24:48,865 [Roberts] Often the more relatable stories are the ones 485 00:24:48,949 --> 00:24:50,909 that really, are talking about a perspective shift. 486 00:24:50,992 --> 00:24:53,787 And you start to see the world a little bit differently, 487 00:24:53,870 --> 00:24:55,956 or you see yourself in the world a little bit differently. 488 00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:58,124 All right, who's next? 489 00:24:58,208 --> 00:24:59,292 -Okay. -All right. 490 00:24:59,376 --> 00:25:01,586 -You're up! -I'm telling a different type of story. 491 00:25:01,670 --> 00:25:03,755 -Good. Good, we need a little-- -[group cheering] 492 00:25:03,838 --> 00:25:06,299 a little variety. [laughs] 493 00:25:08,343 --> 00:25:11,846 All I wanted in first grade was to be treated like everyone else 494 00:25:11,930 --> 00:25:15,475 but also secretly maybe to be Mrs. Mitchell's favorite. 495 00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:19,145 There was a period of time though, when my homework started to disappear. 496 00:25:19,229 --> 00:25:22,065 Now, I had a pretty good track record of handing in my homework, 497 00:25:22,148 --> 00:25:24,651 because, again, I really wanted to be Mrs. Mitchell's favorite. 498 00:25:24,734 --> 00:25:27,529 So, Mrs. Mitchell, one day, hid in the class during recess 499 00:25:27,612 --> 00:25:30,991 and she saw the little boy taking my homework out of my desk, 500 00:25:31,074 --> 00:25:33,743 erasing my name, writing his name on it, 501 00:25:33,827 --> 00:25:36,162 -and then handing it in as his own. -[gasps] Argh! 502 00:25:36,246 --> 00:25:39,249 And the little boy was suspended from recess. 503 00:25:39,332 --> 00:25:43,044 All right, fast-forward a couple of weeks, the same little boy finds me 504 00:25:43,128 --> 00:25:46,131 during, like, you know, free choice, free play time. 505 00:25:46,214 --> 00:25:49,509 And he said, "Yo, Chelsea, you seem to really like Mrs. Mitchell." 506 00:25:49,593 --> 00:25:51,136 And I said, "I love Mrs. Mitchell." 507 00:25:51,219 --> 00:25:53,638 He said, "Do you know what the best compliment you can give someone is?" 508 00:25:53,722 --> 00:25:55,223 And I said, "No." 509 00:25:56,057 --> 00:25:57,809 And he said, "Fuck you." 510 00:25:58,518 --> 00:26:03,106 And so, I walked up to Mrs. Mitchell, and I said, "Mrs. Mitchell, fuck you." 511 00:26:03,189 --> 00:26:05,525 -Ah! -[laughing] 512 00:26:05,609 --> 00:26:07,986 And she looked horrified! 513 00:26:08,069 --> 00:26:11,823 And I started to cry, 'cause I knew that something had gone very wrong. 514 00:26:11,907 --> 00:26:13,283 But I didn't know what had gone wrong. 515 00:26:13,366 --> 00:26:16,661 And in the Little Rock Unified School District, 516 00:26:16,745 --> 00:26:18,622 there was still mandatory corporal punishment. 517 00:26:18,705 --> 00:26:22,584 I was still sobbing, and I had to put my hands against the hallway wall 518 00:26:22,667 --> 00:26:24,544 while Mrs. Mitchell paddled me. 519 00:26:24,628 --> 00:26:26,087 And I thought my life was over. 520 00:26:26,171 --> 00:26:29,466 Then after she paddled me, she gave me a really big hug, 521 00:26:29,549 --> 00:26:31,801 and she told me, "Tomorrow is a new day." 522 00:26:31,885 --> 00:26:35,805 And when I got home, my parents taught me how to use a dictionary. 523 00:26:35,889 --> 00:26:38,516 [group laughing] 524 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,727 Wow. Wow. 525 00:26:41,895 --> 00:26:43,521 So great. 526 00:26:44,689 --> 00:26:48,026 -Do you-- I think I'm gonna find that kid! -That rotten little boy! 527 00:26:48,109 --> 00:26:51,112 -That is a great story. -I know. 528 00:26:51,196 --> 00:26:54,324 Um, but I think the thing that, like, just struck my heart the most 529 00:26:54,407 --> 00:26:56,368 is at the end when she gives you a hug 530 00:26:56,451 --> 00:26:58,995 and she tells you that tomorrow is a new day. 531 00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:03,208 And I think just, like, to know, "Okay, I'm not a bad kid," you know. 532 00:27:03,291 --> 00:27:05,544 But these stories are all such genesis stories 533 00:27:05,627 --> 00:27:07,212 where we really learned something 534 00:27:07,295 --> 00:27:09,256 or something was revealed to us or-- 535 00:27:09,339 --> 00:27:12,467 They're like the building blocks of what makes us who we are today. 536 00:27:13,718 --> 00:27:17,556 Criminal justice reform is a difficult conversation 537 00:27:17,639 --> 00:27:18,640 On the one hand, 538 00:27:18,723 --> 00:27:22,352 your platform enables you to have a broad audience for what you're doing. 539 00:27:22,435 --> 00:27:26,773 On the other hand, it holds you up there, and it makes you a target. 540 00:27:26,856 --> 00:27:28,858 How have your followers reacted? 541 00:27:28,942 --> 00:27:33,530 Are there certain cases that you see a real groundswell on social media? 542 00:27:33,613 --> 00:27:36,533 A celebrity might push the needle for some people, 543 00:27:36,616 --> 00:27:38,577 and sometimes, it really can work against us. 544 00:27:38,660 --> 00:27:41,454 So I always figure out the right strategy. 545 00:27:41,538 --> 00:27:46,418 Then once I decide to get the social media fan base involved, 546 00:27:46,501 --> 00:27:49,254 they feel invested, they wanna help out. 547 00:27:49,337 --> 00:27:52,716 One of the craziest days was when an execution was happening, 548 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:54,551 I'm putting it all on social media. 549 00:27:57,888 --> 00:28:00,056 But then I had to go into a Skims fitting. 550 00:28:00,140 --> 00:28:03,643 And then I have to do my makeup swatches, 'cause I have to approve this product 551 00:28:03,727 --> 00:28:05,604 within the hour if we're gonna go to launch. 552 00:28:07,355 --> 00:28:10,609 This man is being executed. And I'm just, like, crying through it all. 553 00:28:13,778 --> 00:28:16,531 And my kids are running in and, "Mommy, why are you crying?" 554 00:28:16,615 --> 00:28:19,534 And I put him on speaker to talk to my kids. 555 00:28:21,453 --> 00:28:25,582 It's his last hour, and I want to share that journey with people 556 00:28:25,665 --> 00:28:29,127 so that they really understand, like, there's a person behind this execution. 557 00:28:29,211 --> 00:28:31,588 There's families behind this execution. 558 00:28:33,173 --> 00:28:37,385 And there's times where we've been successful in getting executions stopped. 559 00:28:37,469 --> 00:28:38,637 There's times where we haven't. 560 00:28:41,556 --> 00:28:47,229 I can't believe I didn't pay attention sooner in my life to these injustices. 561 00:28:47,312 --> 00:28:50,273 You grew up with amazing parents 562 00:28:50,357 --> 00:28:53,109 that taught you so much about the world at a really young age. 563 00:28:53,193 --> 00:28:54,819 And expected me to have an opinion about it. 564 00:28:54,903 --> 00:28:58,823 And to have to make an opinion is empowering 565 00:28:58,907 --> 00:29:00,367 and teaches you so much. 566 00:29:00,450 --> 00:29:05,705 Like, I never really was asked for my opinion on situations like-- 567 00:29:05,789 --> 00:29:09,459 I had no idea. I lived in a bubble in Beverly Hills, you know? 568 00:29:09,542 --> 00:29:12,546 And that is not how I'm gonna raise my kids. 569 00:29:12,629 --> 00:29:18,718 When I was a little girl, my uncle Roger was arrested 570 00:29:18,802 --> 00:29:22,347 and then sent to prison for selling cocaine to an undercover cop. 571 00:29:22,430 --> 00:29:25,934 And I think that that experience had a profound impact on me, 572 00:29:26,017 --> 00:29:28,353 because this man had only ever shown me love. 573 00:29:28,436 --> 00:29:33,483 And to try to reconcile that someone who I knew to be good 574 00:29:33,567 --> 00:29:36,111 had done something that wasn't good, 575 00:29:36,194 --> 00:29:38,363 and yet that one act should not define the rest of his life. 576 00:29:38,446 --> 00:29:39,823 [Kardashian] Absolutely. 577 00:29:39,906 --> 00:29:42,492 Not to say that they don't deserve to have the time. 578 00:29:42,576 --> 00:29:44,286 I think sometimes when you work in reform, 579 00:29:44,369 --> 00:29:48,331 people do think that it doesn't mean that you are tough on crime 580 00:29:48,415 --> 00:29:50,083 -where you need to be. -I agree with that. 581 00:29:50,166 --> 00:29:55,255 Why can't we have more rehabilitation centers instead of prisons? 582 00:29:55,338 --> 00:30:01,761 It's to throw someone's life away when people really do make changes. 583 00:30:01,845 --> 00:30:03,680 I just believe in second chances. 584 00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:09,019 [Hillary] We're in northern California, 585 00:30:09,102 --> 00:30:12,564 one of the most beautiful places in the entire world. 586 00:30:13,690 --> 00:30:15,191 I'm going to meet Judge Abby 587 00:30:15,275 --> 00:30:18,361 who's pioneering a separate tribal justice system 588 00:30:18,445 --> 00:30:21,573 based on the values and culture of the Yurok tribe. 589 00:30:22,449 --> 00:30:25,452 She believes we should be focused on repairing communities, 590 00:30:25,535 --> 00:30:27,746 not simply punishing people. 591 00:30:28,330 --> 00:30:30,957 I think there are lessons the rest of us can learn 592 00:30:31,041 --> 00:30:34,961 about how justice is done and understood in different ways. 593 00:30:43,887 --> 00:30:47,182 -[vocalizing "Hail to the Chief"] -[Abby] We never do that. 594 00:30:47,265 --> 00:30:49,559 -Have we ever done that in court? -No, we don't do that. 595 00:30:49,643 --> 00:30:51,269 Hello. 596 00:30:51,353 --> 00:30:52,646 [Woods] Hello, ma. Welcome. 597 00:30:53,271 --> 00:30:55,148 Wow, this is so cool. 598 00:30:55,232 --> 00:30:56,983 What are we supposed to call you? 'Cause we don't remember. 599 00:30:57,067 --> 00:31:00,403 -[Hillary] Hillary's a good name. Yeah. -We'll go with that, all right. 600 00:31:00,487 --> 00:31:03,198 -Have you ever had acorn soup? -[Hillary] No. I'm excited to try. 601 00:31:03,281 --> 00:31:05,450 We're gonna make it extra special for you. 602 00:31:05,533 --> 00:31:07,911 [Yurok elder] I'll even let you have the small rock. 603 00:31:07,994 --> 00:31:09,287 Okay. [laughs] 604 00:31:12,707 --> 00:31:14,209 [Woods] It's not fast food. 605 00:31:15,752 --> 00:31:17,504 -In case you were wondering. -That is for sure. 606 00:31:17,587 --> 00:31:19,798 I think I have the hardest acorn in the kernel-- county. 607 00:31:22,133 --> 00:31:25,762 So what are some of the interventions then that you have found work? 608 00:31:25,845 --> 00:31:28,974 The whole thing about the justice system in this 609 00:31:29,057 --> 00:31:31,309 is that you can't have a winner and a loser 610 00:31:31,393 --> 00:31:33,019 'cause you're all gonna live next to each other. 611 00:31:33,103 --> 00:31:36,648 So you gotta have a way to make this culturally relevant. 612 00:31:36,731 --> 00:31:40,026 So you have to rebuild community. And that's what these programs do. 613 00:31:41,444 --> 00:31:45,115 [Yurok tribal member singing in Yurok] 614 00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:51,204 [Abby] I was on the bench in San Francisco 615 00:31:51,288 --> 00:31:53,164 'cause I was a state commissioner for years. 616 00:31:53,248 --> 00:31:55,000 [singing continues] 617 00:31:55,083 --> 00:31:58,461 At first, when I came home, people were like, "Oh, you can't be the judge 618 00:31:58,545 --> 00:32:00,964 'cause you know this person, you know that person." 619 00:32:01,047 --> 00:32:03,925 I'm like, "I know everybody and you all know me. 620 00:32:04,009 --> 00:32:05,427 What are you trying to say?" 621 00:32:06,303 --> 00:32:09,347 You think 500 years ago we would run up and down the river 622 00:32:09,431 --> 00:32:11,474 looking for a stranger to resolve our problems? 623 00:32:12,809 --> 00:32:14,394 I know what a state structure looks like, 624 00:32:14,477 --> 00:32:16,605 I know what a federal structure looks like, 625 00:32:16,688 --> 00:32:19,983 and I felt like that wasn't a suitable structure for us. 626 00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:25,030 This is my home, and I felt like this was my purpose. 627 00:32:25,113 --> 00:32:29,200 And I needed to start doing what I could to set up a structure 628 00:32:29,284 --> 00:32:33,121 that will live beyond me and become who we are. 629 00:32:33,204 --> 00:32:35,206 [singing continues] 630 00:32:38,001 --> 00:32:41,046 Wellness court is a place that people get assistance 631 00:32:41,129 --> 00:32:44,841 if they are having issues around drugs or alcohol. 632 00:32:45,425 --> 00:32:49,429 And we help them resolve not just that issue, 633 00:32:49,512 --> 00:32:52,140 but we look at them and say, "Do you need any other help?" 634 00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:55,143 [Woods] It's just like a fern supermarket here, 635 00:32:55,227 --> 00:32:57,604 'cause everywhere you look there's some good ones. 636 00:32:57,687 --> 00:32:58,980 [tribal members laughing] 637 00:32:59,731 --> 00:33:02,234 [Abby] Laura is the Yurok court's cultural officer. 638 00:33:02,317 --> 00:33:06,613 And she helps to reconnect those members that are in wellness court to our culture. 639 00:33:08,365 --> 00:33:11,076 My daughter here knows a little bit about weaving. 640 00:33:11,159 --> 00:33:14,037 We try to only harvest the best ferns, 641 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,959 and then we only use the very inside part of it for the basketry. 642 00:33:20,043 --> 00:33:21,378 Just being out in general 643 00:33:21,461 --> 00:33:23,880 and being able to bring my daughters out here 644 00:33:23,964 --> 00:33:26,216 and be doing this with them is a blessing. 645 00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:30,053 I couldn't do it before, because I was still on my addiction, so… 646 00:33:31,137 --> 00:33:35,225 [Woods] I think that all addiction stems from trauma. 647 00:33:35,308 --> 00:33:38,812 That historical trauma and the generational trauma. 648 00:33:38,895 --> 00:33:41,022 I don't mean it as an excuse for anything, 649 00:33:41,106 --> 00:33:44,985 but it's-- it needs to be recognized for what it is. 650 00:33:46,528 --> 00:33:51,283 [Abby] The Yurok word for police translates as "men who steal children," 651 00:33:51,366 --> 00:33:53,577 because they would come and steal the kids. 652 00:33:54,411 --> 00:33:56,705 They would take the children to the boarding schools. 653 00:33:58,331 --> 00:34:02,502 There was lots of abuse and the whole attitude was to kill the Indian. 654 00:34:04,838 --> 00:34:08,800 A lot of alcohol initially was dumped into native communities 655 00:34:08,884 --> 00:34:11,970 as a way of silencing opposition. 656 00:34:14,222 --> 00:34:18,268 After the invasion, we were left with a lot of behaviors we didn't have before. 657 00:34:18,351 --> 00:34:20,019 And we have to deal with those behaviors. 658 00:34:22,021 --> 00:34:23,523 [Moon] It's difficult asking for help. 659 00:34:24,316 --> 00:34:25,901 Before I decided to get clean, 660 00:34:25,983 --> 00:34:29,988 I felt like we've exhausted all our-- our help from our family, 661 00:34:30,070 --> 00:34:33,282 and being turned away, uh, it made it hard. 662 00:34:33,365 --> 00:34:35,492 [Woods] Yeah. So there's a little bird story, 663 00:34:35,577 --> 00:34:37,996 the Yurok little bird story. Have you heard it? 664 00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:39,956 He's got a broken wing, 665 00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:42,876 and he couldn't fly south for the winter with his family. 666 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,003 He's in the forest. 667 00:34:45,086 --> 00:34:48,173 He wanted a place to stay for the winter, a safe place. 668 00:34:49,423 --> 00:34:53,637 [Abby] Little bird goes up to the oak tree and sings a song as a gift. 669 00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:55,012 Says, "Can I stay with you, 670 00:34:55,096 --> 00:34:57,641 'cause I have a broken wing and I can't fly with my family?" 671 00:34:58,475 --> 00:35:01,269 And oak tree says, "I am way too busy to fool with you." 672 00:35:02,229 --> 00:35:04,147 And little bird goes, "Oh, okay." 673 00:35:04,648 --> 00:35:08,318 He's, like, getting really down about the fact that nobody wants to help him. 674 00:35:09,236 --> 00:35:11,613 But then he goes up to the redwood tree. 675 00:35:11,696 --> 00:35:14,491 And redwood tree says, "Oh, yeah, you can come up with me." 676 00:35:17,494 --> 00:35:21,373 And then the creator comes down and goes to the redwood tree and says, 677 00:35:21,456 --> 00:35:24,918 "You will live the longest and be the biggest in the forest 678 00:35:25,001 --> 00:35:26,127 for what you've done. 679 00:35:27,087 --> 00:35:28,463 You know how to live." 680 00:35:29,381 --> 00:35:31,633 So then he goes up to the oak tree. 681 00:35:31,716 --> 00:35:34,636 "From now on, you're gonna have acorns, 682 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,638 and you will feed all the people. 683 00:35:36,721 --> 00:35:39,224 Because that's-- that's important." 684 00:35:40,016 --> 00:35:43,979 [Woods] The life lessons in this story are that we all have a responsibility 685 00:35:44,062 --> 00:35:47,023 to look out for and take care of each other. 686 00:35:48,942 --> 00:35:51,194 Just the support I had through the tribe 687 00:35:51,278 --> 00:35:55,073 and, uh, the culture activities that we do, 688 00:35:55,156 --> 00:35:57,617 it does make me feel like I belong, 689 00:35:57,701 --> 00:36:00,287 and it's like more of a balance. 690 00:36:00,370 --> 00:36:03,081 And it's being able to be here for my kids now 691 00:36:03,164 --> 00:36:06,418 and teach them is a big part of-- a big part of my healing. 692 00:36:07,002 --> 00:36:10,589 Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, that sense of belonging is critical. 693 00:36:10,672 --> 00:36:11,673 Yeah. 694 00:36:11,756 --> 00:36:15,552 [chuckles] And that's really-- I mean, you're really trying to 695 00:36:15,635 --> 00:36:18,555 sort of excavate the roots of that belonging for people. 696 00:36:18,638 --> 00:36:21,433 Like, you know, "What is your origin story? 697 00:36:21,516 --> 00:36:24,019 What was the trauma? What are you living with?" 698 00:36:24,102 --> 00:36:27,230 I think that makes so much sense, and we don't do that. 699 00:36:27,314 --> 00:36:29,357 Well, and all the good stuff, you know? 700 00:36:29,441 --> 00:36:31,067 I mean, there's a lot of good stuff. 701 00:36:32,068 --> 00:36:33,153 [Hillary] So where are we going? 702 00:36:33,236 --> 00:36:35,030 [Woods] We're going right over to the fire pit. 703 00:36:35,113 --> 00:36:37,532 [O'Neill singing in Yurok] 704 00:36:45,457 --> 00:36:48,960 I'm just amazed that you can do this in a basket. I'm just amazed. 705 00:36:49,044 --> 00:36:51,504 And-- And it's getting thick. It's really quite-- 706 00:36:51,588 --> 00:36:54,633 -[Yurok elder] Watch it. Okay. -[Hillary] Here goes, here's another. 707 00:36:54,716 --> 00:36:58,428 Those little ones are pot stickers, so you got to keep them moving. 708 00:36:58,511 --> 00:36:59,930 -Yeah. Forward-- -See how that one is? 709 00:37:00,013 --> 00:37:01,973 -Yeah. -I think I better take the pot-- 710 00:37:02,057 --> 00:37:04,684 -the, uh, handle from you. -[chuckling] 711 00:37:07,062 --> 00:37:09,397 -Good job, Bert. -[Hillary] Mm-hmm. 712 00:37:10,857 --> 00:37:14,778 I just really love the way that you all are thinking about this. 713 00:37:14,861 --> 00:37:17,739 We have wellness clients that have graduated, 714 00:37:17,822 --> 00:37:19,282 and yet they still come back, 715 00:37:19,366 --> 00:37:22,118 'cause they feel like they still need that extra support 716 00:37:22,202 --> 00:37:25,163 or, you know, for the community to kind of hold them close. 717 00:37:25,247 --> 00:37:26,539 -And-- -[distant cawing] 718 00:37:26,623 --> 00:37:28,250 -What? -[laughing] 719 00:37:28,333 --> 00:37:30,126 That was one of the defendants for me, so… 720 00:37:30,210 --> 00:37:31,878 [Hillary] That's strong agreement. Yeah. 721 00:37:31,962 --> 00:37:34,548 Have you encountered people who-- 722 00:37:34,631 --> 00:37:36,633 these-- these-- these messages don't work? 723 00:37:36,716 --> 00:37:38,677 It does-- it doesn't matter what you try. 724 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,263 Yeah, we'll have cases that go on three, four, or five years. 725 00:37:41,346 --> 00:37:42,347 I just don't quit. 726 00:37:42,430 --> 00:37:44,516 You know, it's-- you have to be relentless. 727 00:37:45,141 --> 00:37:47,602 You just have to keep going at it, keep going at it. 728 00:37:49,312 --> 00:37:53,400 [Hillary] I think everybody knows you can't punish your way 729 00:37:53,483 --> 00:37:58,530 to some kind of, you know, peaceful, safe, secure place. 730 00:37:58,613 --> 00:38:01,074 You can't do it with kids, you can't do it with systems. 731 00:38:01,157 --> 00:38:05,787 So we need to learn from everything that you're doing. 732 00:38:05,870 --> 00:38:08,248 Well, I just can't thank you all enough, and so, 733 00:38:08,331 --> 00:38:11,084 thanks for spending this time with me. Thanks for everything you're doing. 734 00:38:11,167 --> 00:38:13,712 [Hillary] What Judge Abby has done here 735 00:38:13,795 --> 00:38:17,966 is to create a system where everybody's focused on, 736 00:38:18,049 --> 00:38:20,427 not just the responsibility of the individual, 737 00:38:20,510 --> 00:38:24,014 but the responsibility of the community for that individual. 738 00:38:24,097 --> 00:38:25,765 -[Abby] Thanks so much. -[laughs] 739 00:38:25,849 --> 00:38:29,352 [Woods] Girls, you know why Creator made Yurok people in the first place? 740 00:38:29,436 --> 00:38:30,437 -[daughter] Mm-mmm. -No. 741 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:37,110 No? Our sole purpose on this life is to bring balance back to the Earth. 742 00:38:37,193 --> 00:38:40,947 By putting down the bad things and lifting up the good things, 743 00:38:41,031 --> 00:38:43,408 it's our belief we bring the world 744 00:38:43,491 --> 00:38:45,076 -back into balance again. -Balance. 745 00:38:45,827 --> 00:38:49,831 So it's a beautiful thing, but it's also a-- a huge responsibility 746 00:38:50,498 --> 00:38:54,044 to ourselves, to our existence, and to the world. 747 00:38:58,298 --> 00:39:00,842 [Chelsea] "Dracula attacks Van Helsing, 748 00:39:00,926 --> 00:39:05,138 and Van Helsing pulls out a vile of holy water and splashes it on Dracula. 749 00:39:05,222 --> 00:39:10,310 Can Van Helsing defend his action on the grounds of self-defense?" 750 00:39:10,393 --> 00:39:12,020 -[Hillary] Yes. -Hit your buzzer. 751 00:39:14,314 --> 00:39:15,774 -Yes. -No. 752 00:39:15,857 --> 00:39:17,108 -[Hillary] Yes. -No. 753 00:39:17,192 --> 00:39:19,152 Once the danger of attack is over 754 00:39:19,236 --> 00:39:21,696 self-defense is no longer available as a defense. 755 00:39:21,780 --> 00:39:24,366 A vampire can always attack. 756 00:39:25,075 --> 00:39:26,076 You're wrong. 757 00:39:27,452 --> 00:39:29,621 You two share a competitive streak. I can tell. 758 00:39:29,704 --> 00:39:31,206 [Chelsea] There's no favoritism here.