1 00:00:02,042 --> 00:00:03,250 - Tonight on "The Proof is Out There." 2 00:00:03,250 --> 00:00:04,708 In this special episode, 3 00:00:04,792 --> 00:00:08,375 a deep dive into the most provocative evidence of Bigfoot. 4 00:00:08,458 --> 00:00:11,542 - I am convinced this evidence demonstrates the existence 5 00:00:11,625 --> 00:00:13,583 of an unrecognized species. 6 00:00:13,708 --> 00:00:16,792 - [Tony] From thermal imagery some consider a slam dunk. 7 00:00:16,875 --> 00:00:19,292 - I knew exactly what we had on camera. 8 00:00:19,375 --> 00:00:21,500 - [Tony] To scientific analysis of footprints. 9 00:00:21,583 --> 00:00:23,750 - This particular animal's footprints have been found 10 00:00:23,875 --> 00:00:25,167 on a number of occasions. 11 00:00:25,208 --> 00:00:27,500 - [Tony] To photos that light up the internet. 12 00:00:27,625 --> 00:00:30,250 We'll show you why some skeptics are becoming believers. 13 00:00:31,625 --> 00:00:34,583 - Every year that passes brings us one year closer 14 00:00:34,667 --> 00:00:37,542 to academic acceptance of the species. 15 00:00:37,625 --> 00:00:39,125 - [Tony] This is no hoax. 16 00:00:39,208 --> 00:00:41,542 - If this were a fake suit, we'd be able to tell. 17 00:00:41,625 --> 00:00:43,125 - [Tony] But is it proof? 18 00:00:43,208 --> 00:00:44,458 (creature screeching) 19 00:00:44,542 --> 00:00:47,417 "The Proof is Out There: The Bigfoot Files." 20 00:00:48,958 --> 00:00:51,208 (dramatic music) 21 00:00:55,625 --> 00:00:58,167 - Good evening and welcome to another season 22 00:00:58,208 --> 00:00:59,875 of "The Proof is Out There." 23 00:00:59,958 --> 00:01:02,000 We are back. 24 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,833 Tonight, we're focusing a whole episode 25 00:01:03,875 --> 00:01:07,708 on one of the most compelling mysteries in history, Bigfoot. 26 00:01:07,708 --> 00:01:09,625 We'll be investigating some of the freshest, 27 00:01:09,708 --> 00:01:11,792 most compelling evidence Bigfoot hunters 28 00:01:11,875 --> 00:01:13,167 say they've ever seen. 29 00:01:13,208 --> 00:01:16,583 The question, is the creature real? 30 00:01:16,667 --> 00:01:20,125 Is it a legend simply stuck in our cultural consciousness 31 00:01:20,208 --> 00:01:23,292 or is it just the world's longest running hoax? 32 00:01:24,208 --> 00:01:26,333 (tense music) 33 00:01:26,375 --> 00:01:28,500 The big problem with Bigfoot is that much 34 00:01:28,542 --> 00:01:31,833 of the alleged proof turns out to be faked 35 00:01:31,917 --> 00:01:33,875 like this video from 2013. 36 00:01:34,708 --> 00:01:37,500 - It's one of the complications of undertaking an investigation 37 00:01:37,625 --> 00:01:39,833 of a topic that's this controversial 38 00:01:39,958 --> 00:01:45,125 is that it seems to attract hoaxers like moths to a flame. 39 00:01:45,208 --> 00:01:48,500 - It really irritates me because it diminishes those 40 00:01:48,625 --> 00:01:51,667 of us who take this very seriously. 41 00:01:51,750 --> 00:01:54,292 - [Tony] And yet, serious Bigfoot researchers seem 42 00:01:54,375 --> 00:01:55,833 to be growing in number. 43 00:01:55,917 --> 00:01:58,167 A recent article on the cover of the Wall Street Journal 44 00:01:58,292 --> 00:02:01,333 reported that real scientists are devoting real effort 45 00:02:01,458 --> 00:02:06,000 to the study of and search for Bigfoot, AKA Sasquatch, 46 00:02:06,042 --> 00:02:07,750 even if most are doing it secretly 47 00:02:07,833 --> 00:02:10,292 to avoid reputational harm. 48 00:02:10,375 --> 00:02:15,500 - I think that this generation of scientists are open-minded 49 00:02:15,625 --> 00:02:19,833 to the prospect of other relic hominoids living 50 00:02:19,875 --> 00:02:22,167 alongside our own species. 51 00:02:22,250 --> 00:02:23,542 - [Tony] How can that be? 52 00:02:23,625 --> 00:02:26,250 Well, many experts are reexamining the evidence 53 00:02:26,333 --> 00:02:29,125 of previous hoaxes and finding flaws 54 00:02:29,208 --> 00:02:31,167 in the arguments of the doubters. 55 00:02:31,208 --> 00:02:33,375 Take the ongoing debate between believers 56 00:02:33,458 --> 00:02:35,417 and skeptics over Ray Wallace, 57 00:02:35,542 --> 00:02:37,250 the man who was involved with the event 58 00:02:37,375 --> 00:02:39,875 that first made Bigfoot famous. 59 00:02:39,958 --> 00:02:42,583 Bluff Creek, California, 1958. 60 00:02:42,667 --> 00:02:44,583 Hundreds of massive footprints are found 61 00:02:44,667 --> 00:02:46,667 in the soil by men constructing a road 62 00:02:46,750 --> 00:02:49,750 into a remote area of northern California. 63 00:02:49,875 --> 00:02:52,500 A headline in a local paper gets national pickup 64 00:02:52,583 --> 00:02:54,792 and the name Bigfoot is born. 65 00:02:54,875 --> 00:02:57,333 The contractor on the project was Ray Wallace 66 00:02:57,375 --> 00:03:00,042 and when he died, his kids told the press 67 00:03:00,167 --> 00:03:02,333 that their dad was Bigfoot all along 68 00:03:02,375 --> 00:03:04,500 and had used these carved wooden stompers 69 00:03:04,625 --> 00:03:07,208 to leave prints all over the Pacific Northwest. 70 00:03:07,292 --> 00:03:10,042 Case closed? Not according to believers. 71 00:03:10,125 --> 00:03:13,167 - The carved wooden feet alleged 72 00:03:13,250 --> 00:03:17,167 to be the source of those footprints simply 73 00:03:17,292 --> 00:03:19,833 do not match the footprint record 74 00:03:19,875 --> 00:03:23,708 that has been collected and studied from that region. 75 00:03:23,792 --> 00:03:26,167 - [Tony] In fact, compare the print on the right, 76 00:03:26,250 --> 00:03:28,833 which Meldrum believes is a real Bigfoot print 77 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,958 to the known hoax on the left. 78 00:03:31,042 --> 00:03:34,500 Meldrum points to the identical oval shaped toes of the fake 79 00:03:34,583 --> 00:03:37,292 that are not reflected in the other footprints. 80 00:03:38,375 --> 00:03:39,958 And while the hoaxes' credibility 81 00:03:40,042 --> 00:03:41,208 has been deteriorating, 82 00:03:41,292 --> 00:03:42,500 belief in the earliest reports 83 00:03:42,583 --> 00:03:44,833 of Bigfoot has been gaining strength. 84 00:03:44,917 --> 00:03:47,875 We're talking about the folklore of Native American tribes. 85 00:03:47,958 --> 00:03:50,792 - Native Americans have had the longest relationship 86 00:03:50,792 --> 00:03:53,833 with the creature we now call Bigfoot. 87 00:03:53,917 --> 00:03:55,792 - [Tony] Field researcher Cliff Barackman points 88 00:03:55,875 --> 00:03:57,125 to the images like this, 89 00:03:57,208 --> 00:03:59,875 the so-called Hairy Man pictographs thought 90 00:03:59,958 --> 00:04:02,458 to have been created by the Californian Tule River tribe 91 00:04:02,542 --> 00:04:04,667 around the year 500 AD. 92 00:04:04,708 --> 00:04:08,167 - They say this is a depiction of a Sasquatch 93 00:04:08,250 --> 00:04:09,833 that they just happen to call Hairy Man 94 00:04:09,917 --> 00:04:11,333 in their particular language. 95 00:04:11,417 --> 00:04:14,792 - The male is literally eight and a half feet tall 96 00:04:14,875 --> 00:04:18,125 and his arms are spread six feet wide. 97 00:04:18,208 --> 00:04:19,792 - [Tony] Note this interesting detail. 98 00:04:19,875 --> 00:04:22,667 There are other animals depicted in this cave. 99 00:04:22,792 --> 00:04:26,667 - Centipede, deer, beaver, coyote. 100 00:04:26,750 --> 00:04:28,833 You name it. They're all real animals. 101 00:04:28,875 --> 00:04:32,000 So why would this one example show something 102 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,708 that is fanciful and mythological 103 00:04:33,833 --> 00:04:36,375 when everything else there is basically a drawing 104 00:04:36,458 --> 00:04:38,375 of things that are still found there? 105 00:04:40,208 --> 00:04:41,625 - Now, I wanna show you something. 106 00:04:41,708 --> 00:04:44,750 Possibly the most confounding artifact we have ever seen. 107 00:04:44,833 --> 00:04:47,375 This is a photo of a ceremonial mask 108 00:04:47,500 --> 00:04:50,875 of the Tsimshian people of British Columbia, Canada. 109 00:04:50,958 --> 00:04:52,875 It was collected around 1914. 110 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:58,792 Take a close look at the skull, the nose, and the teeth. 111 00:04:58,875 --> 00:05:01,667 This sure looks like a primate of some kind. 112 00:05:01,833 --> 00:05:03,125 Just one problem. 113 00:05:03,208 --> 00:05:06,917 There are no known primates indigenous to North America. 114 00:05:08,917 --> 00:05:11,125 - This mask was such an accurate 115 00:05:11,208 --> 00:05:13,167 and naturalistic depiction 116 00:05:13,250 --> 00:05:15,625 of what could only be a great ape. 117 00:05:15,708 --> 00:05:20,583 The very prominent eyebrows with very sunken eye sockets. 118 00:05:20,875 --> 00:05:24,417 The nose with nostrils that are laterally directed, 119 00:05:24,500 --> 00:05:26,875 a broad nose, but really significant 120 00:05:26,958 --> 00:05:30,583 is this distance between the nose and the upper lip. 121 00:05:30,667 --> 00:05:32,500 So what would've been the inspiration 122 00:05:32,583 --> 00:05:37,417 if some form of great ape didn't exist in North America? 123 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:39,500 - [Tony] If this mask, believed to have been carved 124 00:05:39,542 --> 00:05:40,958 in the middle of the 19th century, 125 00:05:41,042 --> 00:05:43,250 really is a depiction of a real creature, 126 00:05:43,333 --> 00:05:44,875 we still have to explain how 127 00:05:44,958 --> 00:05:46,750 that creature got to North America. 128 00:05:46,833 --> 00:05:49,375 One current theory is that Bigfoot originated 129 00:05:49,458 --> 00:05:53,667 from some common Asian ancestor, possibly gigantopithecus. 130 00:05:53,708 --> 00:05:56,458 Over the millennia, that species could have branched 131 00:05:56,542 --> 00:05:59,875 into other legendary hominids like the Yeti of Asia 132 00:05:59,958 --> 00:06:01,542 or the Yowie of Australia, 133 00:06:01,667 --> 00:06:04,792 while the subspecies we call Bigfoot might have migrated 134 00:06:04,875 --> 00:06:07,500 to North America via the Bering land bridge. 135 00:06:07,583 --> 00:06:10,667 - The most likely scenario is that a population 136 00:06:10,708 --> 00:06:14,000 of giant, terrestrial, bipedal apes 137 00:06:14,083 --> 00:06:17,833 that had dispersed through Southern and Eastern Asia 138 00:06:17,917 --> 00:06:22,208 had expanded its range into North America. 139 00:06:22,333 --> 00:06:23,625 - [Tony] But if that's true, 140 00:06:23,708 --> 00:06:26,083 where are the Sasquatch skeletons? 141 00:06:26,167 --> 00:06:29,667 We find bones of fossils of other things like dinosaurs. 142 00:06:29,750 --> 00:06:31,083 Why not Bigfoot? 143 00:06:31,083 --> 00:06:32,750 Dr. Meldrum says that fact 144 00:06:32,833 --> 00:06:35,208 doesn't discount Bigfoot's existence. 145 00:06:35,292 --> 00:06:36,667 - It seems like there's fossils everywhere, 146 00:06:36,792 --> 00:06:39,458 but when you consider the periods of time 147 00:06:39,542 --> 00:06:42,125 and the number of organisms through that period, 148 00:06:42,208 --> 00:06:44,875 it's a remarkably small fraction 149 00:06:44,958 --> 00:06:49,167 that ever are fossilized and discovered by paleontologists. 150 00:06:49,292 --> 00:06:53,292 We continually find fossils of species 151 00:06:53,375 --> 00:06:55,542 that we had no idea existed. 152 00:06:55,625 --> 00:06:57,542 The absence of evidence 153 00:06:57,625 --> 00:07:00,625 doesn't mean the evidence of absence. 154 00:07:02,583 --> 00:07:05,292 - As we've said, there are no Bigfoot fossils, 155 00:07:05,375 --> 00:07:08,792 but there are alleged Bigfoot footprints. 156 00:07:08,875 --> 00:07:11,375 So let's take a closer look at a particular collection 157 00:07:11,458 --> 00:07:12,958 of prints that has gained notoriety 158 00:07:13,042 --> 00:07:15,917 amongst the Bigfoot community, which is... 159 00:07:17,292 --> 00:07:19,000 No small feat. 160 00:07:19,125 --> 00:07:22,042 This story begins all the way back in 1991 161 00:07:22,125 --> 00:07:23,333 in the Blue Mountains 162 00:07:23,458 --> 00:07:26,333 of Washington state just north of Mill Creek. 163 00:07:26,417 --> 00:07:28,125 Former U.S. forest patrolman 164 00:07:28,208 --> 00:07:30,708 and Bigfoot investigator Paul Freeman has come here 165 00:07:30,792 --> 00:07:33,125 with a colleague looking for evidence of Bigfoot. 166 00:07:34,708 --> 00:07:37,375 - Sure enough, what they found were hundreds 167 00:07:37,458 --> 00:07:39,708 of tracks of a Sasquatch. 168 00:07:39,792 --> 00:07:41,125 - [Tony] Freeman measures the prints 169 00:07:41,208 --> 00:07:42,875 and makes these plaster casts. 170 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,500 He's convinced this area is a Bigfoot hotspot. 171 00:07:45,583 --> 00:07:48,792 And over the years, the evidence just keeps piling up. 172 00:07:49,875 --> 00:07:53,042 1992, in the neighboring Deduct Spring area 173 00:07:53,167 --> 00:07:54,458 of the Blue Mountains, 174 00:07:54,542 --> 00:07:55,917 Freeman shoots this video showing 175 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,542 what he claims is a Bigfoot ambling through the woods. 176 00:07:59,625 --> 00:08:01,083 - (bleep). (camera shutter) 177 00:08:01,208 --> 00:08:04,958 - [Tony] The creature allegedly left more prints like this. 178 00:08:05,042 --> 00:08:06,333 And four years later, 179 00:08:06,417 --> 00:08:09,125 even more prints found in the moist ground 180 00:08:09,208 --> 00:08:10,833 in the nearby Five Points area. 181 00:08:13,042 --> 00:08:15,958 Look closer. These whoppers are 14 inches long. 182 00:08:16,042 --> 00:08:18,542 If they're real, whatever left them is big. 183 00:08:18,625 --> 00:08:19,792 Really big. 184 00:08:19,875 --> 00:08:21,375 - Many of these footprints penetrate 185 00:08:21,375 --> 00:08:23,167 into the ground quite deeply. 186 00:08:23,292 --> 00:08:24,958 And this photograph right here, 187 00:08:25,042 --> 00:08:28,167 you can see right there, the midtarsal pressure ridge. 188 00:08:28,167 --> 00:08:29,958 - [Tony] Check it out. According to Barackman, 189 00:08:30,042 --> 00:08:31,958 this midtarsal pressure ridge is one 190 00:08:32,042 --> 00:08:34,917 of the key differences between human and Sasquatch anatomy. 191 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,375 - Behind the metatarsals is a big jumble 192 00:08:37,458 --> 00:08:39,625 of bone right beneath the ankle. 193 00:08:39,708 --> 00:08:42,417 But that jumble of bones in human beings, 194 00:08:42,542 --> 00:08:45,542 it doesn't bend at all because we have an arch 195 00:08:45,625 --> 00:08:47,958 that holds our foot stiff, 196 00:08:48,042 --> 00:08:50,792 but Sasquatch can actually bend their foot 197 00:08:50,875 --> 00:08:53,542 to some degree at that location. 198 00:08:53,625 --> 00:08:56,500 It is called the midtarsal joint. 199 00:08:56,583 --> 00:08:58,125 - [Tony] Of course, some have claimed this 200 00:08:58,208 --> 00:09:00,667 was all one big hoax perpetrated by Freeman, 201 00:09:00,750 --> 00:09:03,833 but Barackman says we know what faked prints look like. 202 00:09:03,917 --> 00:09:05,542 You can see when we compare Freeman's 203 00:09:05,625 --> 00:09:08,208 to a known fake made with a wooden prosthetic. 204 00:09:08,208 --> 00:09:10,000 It sure looks like there's a difference. 205 00:09:10,083 --> 00:09:14,000 - Upon push-off, sometimes a mound of dirt 206 00:09:14,083 --> 00:09:16,667 is raised up behind the metatarsals. 207 00:09:16,750 --> 00:09:19,875 This was not possible with a fake wooden prosthetic. 208 00:09:22,083 --> 00:09:25,500 - The idea of the midtarsal break was actually developed 209 00:09:25,583 --> 00:09:28,500 by our very own Bigfoot expert, Jeff Meldrum. 210 00:09:28,583 --> 00:09:31,917 Meldrum's hypothesis has been, no pun intended, 211 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,667 a major step 212 00:09:33,750 --> 00:09:36,625 in the investigative research of Sasquatches. 213 00:09:36,708 --> 00:09:38,375 Let's see what our experts have to say 214 00:09:38,458 --> 00:09:40,333 about these particular prints. 215 00:09:40,375 --> 00:09:42,625 (tense music) 216 00:09:44,917 --> 00:09:46,750 Anthropologist Kathy Strain explains 217 00:09:46,833 --> 00:09:48,250 there's always been some skepticism 218 00:09:48,333 --> 00:09:50,917 when it comes to the findings of Paul Freeman. 219 00:09:51,042 --> 00:09:53,833 - A lot of people said he found so much evidence. 220 00:09:53,875 --> 00:09:55,542 He was outside all the time 221 00:09:55,625 --> 00:09:58,167 and he found prints here and he found prints there. 222 00:09:58,250 --> 00:10:00,167 And he has that well-known video 223 00:10:00,208 --> 00:10:03,333 that there's just no way that he could be authentic. 224 00:10:03,458 --> 00:10:05,917 - [Tony] We know Professor Meldrum believes in Bigfoot, 225 00:10:05,917 --> 00:10:09,083 but he's also on the lookout for any potential hoaxes. 226 00:10:09,167 --> 00:10:11,708 That's why Meldrum decided to drop in unexpectedly 227 00:10:11,792 --> 00:10:14,833 on Freeman to verify his evidence firsthand. 228 00:10:14,875 --> 00:10:16,667 - I was a bit incredulous, 229 00:10:16,708 --> 00:10:19,208 but I thought, what have I got to lose? 230 00:10:19,292 --> 00:10:22,292 - [Tony] Then he saw the latest Five Points tracks up close. 231 00:10:22,375 --> 00:10:25,167 Meldrum quickly concluded they couldn't be prints 232 00:10:25,292 --> 00:10:26,833 from some local animal. 233 00:10:26,875 --> 00:10:30,375 - And the most likely candidate out there is the bear. 234 00:10:30,458 --> 00:10:32,833 The bear isn't completely flatfooted. 235 00:10:32,917 --> 00:10:36,583 Its heel does not entirely rest on the ground. 236 00:10:36,667 --> 00:10:39,458 The heel of a bear has a very pointed 237 00:10:39,542 --> 00:10:41,042 in appearance as opposed 238 00:10:41,042 --> 00:10:45,750 to the very rounded, full heel pad of the Sasquatch foot. 239 00:10:47,042 --> 00:10:49,917 - [Tony] But the real a-ha moment was, you guessed it, 240 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,875 evidence of that same midtarsal ridge ruling 241 00:10:52,958 --> 00:10:55,750 out prints made by any human foot. 242 00:10:55,833 --> 00:10:57,667 - The heel is elevated. 243 00:10:57,750 --> 00:11:00,583 This, retaining that midfoot flexibility, 244 00:11:00,708 --> 00:11:03,833 the advantage of a very flexible grasping foot 245 00:11:03,917 --> 00:11:05,667 for climbing up in the trees. 246 00:11:05,750 --> 00:11:08,333 Another one that jumped out is this track 247 00:11:08,375 --> 00:11:11,125 from Mill Creek in 1991, 248 00:11:11,208 --> 00:11:14,417 separated by a considerable number of years 249 00:11:14,500 --> 00:11:19,375 and yet showing this exact proportions, the orientation. 250 00:11:19,500 --> 00:11:21,167 - [Tony] Now to quote Lewis Carroll, 251 00:11:21,250 --> 00:11:22,833 "It gets even curiouser." 252 00:11:22,958 --> 00:11:24,833 Since all of these prints show evidence 253 00:11:24,917 --> 00:11:26,958 of the midtarsal ridge and are the same size, 254 00:11:27,042 --> 00:11:30,000 Meldrum and Cliff Barackman not only believe 255 00:11:30,083 --> 00:11:31,625 that these prints are real, 256 00:11:31,708 --> 00:11:32,958 but that they could be coming 257 00:11:33,042 --> 00:11:35,833 from the same individual specimen of Bigfoot. 258 00:11:35,833 --> 00:11:37,958 - This particular animal's footprints have been found 259 00:11:38,042 --> 00:11:43,833 on a number of occasions in 1991, 1992, '96. 260 00:11:43,875 --> 00:11:46,208 - There were remarkable similarities 261 00:11:46,333 --> 00:11:49,167 that suggested these could in fact be the same individual. 262 00:11:49,208 --> 00:11:50,333 - [Tony] And get this. 263 00:11:50,417 --> 00:11:53,417 Based on research, Meldrum thinks Sasquatch can live 264 00:11:53,500 --> 00:11:55,833 to be about 30 to 50 years old. 265 00:11:55,958 --> 00:11:57,625 So this specimen could very well be 266 00:11:57,708 --> 00:12:00,208 at least 15 to 25 years of age. 267 00:12:00,292 --> 00:12:02,375 - This evidence demonstrates the existence 268 00:12:02,458 --> 00:12:04,333 of an unrecognized species. 269 00:12:04,417 --> 00:12:06,792 (tense music) 270 00:12:08,708 --> 00:12:11,792 - Our verdict? Potential primate print. 271 00:12:11,875 --> 00:12:14,500 We're sure these prints don't come from a bear. 272 00:12:14,583 --> 00:12:16,708 They sure look different from known fakes 273 00:12:16,792 --> 00:12:18,542 and that midtarsal ridge appears 274 00:12:18,667 --> 00:12:21,292 to eliminate the human foot too. 275 00:12:21,375 --> 00:12:24,417 If they're real, they could be valuable evidence 276 00:12:24,542 --> 00:12:29,792 in proving Bigfoot's existence. 277 00:12:29,792 --> 00:12:32,125 (dramatic music) 278 00:12:34,542 --> 00:12:38,083 - It's been said that Bigfoot exhibits nocturnal behavior. 279 00:12:38,167 --> 00:12:41,000 Perhaps to hunt or to avoid detection. 280 00:12:41,083 --> 00:12:43,333 But the cloak of darkness couldn't hide the creature 281 00:12:43,375 --> 00:12:46,333 in the stunning footage you're about to see captured 282 00:12:46,417 --> 00:12:49,333 by two campers armed with a night vision camera. 283 00:12:50,958 --> 00:12:54,333 It's May 2012 near the town of Quincy, Florida. 284 00:12:54,458 --> 00:12:57,875 Retired army ranger, Stacy Brown Sr., now deceased, 285 00:12:57,875 --> 00:13:00,167 and his filmmaker son, Stacy Brown Jr., 286 00:13:00,208 --> 00:13:01,958 are camping into Torreya State Park 287 00:13:02,042 --> 00:13:04,500 on a search for the elusive Bigfoot. 288 00:13:04,583 --> 00:13:05,875 They start hearing some noises, 289 00:13:05,958 --> 00:13:07,917 so they pull out their Flir thermal camera 290 00:13:08,042 --> 00:13:09,667 and head off down a trail. 291 00:13:09,792 --> 00:13:11,500 - We would hear something running on our right 292 00:13:11,500 --> 00:13:14,375 and then we would hear something running on our left 293 00:13:14,458 --> 00:13:16,708 and it just stopped real quick. 294 00:13:16,833 --> 00:13:19,000 And then dad looked up at the, you know, 295 00:13:19,042 --> 00:13:21,917 up at the tree and he is like, "Oh, I see something." 296 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,000 - [Tony] The thermal camera is rolling 297 00:13:24,083 --> 00:13:26,458 as Stacy Sr. notices a little black object sticking out 298 00:13:26,542 --> 00:13:28,167 of one side of a tree. 299 00:13:28,167 --> 00:13:33,000 - Then it takes off and crosses this gap 300 00:13:33,083 --> 00:13:34,917 and he goes into full blown panic mode. 301 00:13:35,042 --> 00:13:36,917 The camera goes dead. 302 00:13:37,042 --> 00:13:38,458 He's like, "We gotta go. We gotta go." 303 00:13:38,583 --> 00:13:39,958 He's like, "Do you got your gun?" 304 00:13:41,750 --> 00:13:44,500 - [Tony] Back at their truck, Stacy Jr. gets a first peek 305 00:13:44,542 --> 00:13:45,917 at this eye popping footage 306 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,042 and this money shot that looks just like 307 00:13:48,125 --> 00:13:50,125 the iconic lookback frame of Patty 308 00:13:50,208 --> 00:13:52,375 from the famous Patterson-Gimlin film, 309 00:13:52,458 --> 00:13:54,375 which claimed to capture Bigfoot strolling 310 00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:58,292 alongside a northern California creek in 1967. 311 00:13:59,333 --> 00:14:01,667 - I knew exactly what we had on camera. 312 00:14:01,792 --> 00:14:03,167 It was proof to me and my dad 313 00:14:03,208 --> 00:14:08,958 because who on a Tuesday night is a mile and a half 314 00:14:09,042 --> 00:14:12,000 into the woods running around with no flashlight? 315 00:14:12,042 --> 00:14:13,917 - [Tony] Noted Bigfoot investigator Steve Cole 316 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,542 says he's not surprised by the area 317 00:14:15,667 --> 00:14:17,667 where this footage was captured. 318 00:14:17,750 --> 00:14:20,542 - In Florida, they have something called the skunk ape 319 00:14:20,625 --> 00:14:22,292 and there's been a lot of sightings 320 00:14:22,375 --> 00:14:24,833 over many years of what they describe 321 00:14:24,833 --> 00:14:27,000 as a Bigfoot type of creature. 322 00:14:27,083 --> 00:14:28,958 What they call that is the skunk ape, 323 00:14:29,042 --> 00:14:31,208 partly because it smells skunky, 324 00:14:32,208 --> 00:14:33,875 but for all intents and purposes, 325 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,208 it's the same thing as a Bigfoot. 326 00:14:36,292 --> 00:14:38,708 It's not quite as big or robust 327 00:14:38,792 --> 00:14:41,917 as the ones in say, the Pacific Northwest, 328 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,000 but that is kind of expected due 329 00:14:44,042 --> 00:14:46,958 to the climate being a lot more tropical. 330 00:14:48,500 --> 00:14:51,625 - These swamp sightings go back to the native tribes. 331 00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:53,792 The Seminoles and the Muskogee 332 00:14:53,875 --> 00:14:57,333 called the creature Esti Capcaki, or Tall Man, 333 00:14:57,500 --> 00:15:00,042 and claimed he was the protector of the forest. 334 00:15:00,125 --> 00:15:02,833 So could this be what the Browns encountered? 335 00:15:02,917 --> 00:15:04,958 We turned to our experts for answers. 336 00:15:05,042 --> 00:15:07,250 (tense music) 337 00:15:09,542 --> 00:15:11,875 We first asked the most obvious question. 338 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,083 Could this just be a person? 339 00:15:14,208 --> 00:15:16,833 - It was shot with a thermal imager 340 00:15:16,917 --> 00:15:18,917 and so it's picking up the heat signature. 341 00:15:19,042 --> 00:15:21,375 Typically, if any clothing is being worn, 342 00:15:21,375 --> 00:15:24,792 it masks the intensity of the heat emanating 343 00:15:24,875 --> 00:15:26,917 from those covered parts of the body. 344 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,875 Honestly, don't see any of that. 345 00:15:28,958 --> 00:15:31,167 It's just a pretty uniform signature 346 00:15:31,208 --> 00:15:34,958 that would suggest a body a la naturale. 347 00:15:37,375 --> 00:15:38,833 - [Tony] But why would a person be walking 348 00:15:38,917 --> 00:15:40,833 around nude in the woods? 349 00:15:40,875 --> 00:15:43,000 Wildlife biologist Stephanie Manka 350 00:15:43,125 --> 00:15:45,958 instead notes the way the figure moves seems more 351 00:15:46,042 --> 00:15:48,875 like a different animal that doesn't wear clothes. 352 00:15:48,875 --> 00:15:51,333 - It looks to be like a large primate, 353 00:15:51,417 --> 00:15:54,667 but it doesn't seem to match the body structure 354 00:15:54,792 --> 00:15:57,333 of the living apes, of chimpanzees, 355 00:15:57,417 --> 00:16:00,833 or gorillas being the most prominent ones. 356 00:16:00,917 --> 00:16:04,042 It seems like its legs are too long 357 00:16:04,125 --> 00:16:07,917 and when gorillas walk on their hind legs, 358 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,958 they're not hunched over like that. 359 00:16:10,042 --> 00:16:12,083 They're more upright. 360 00:16:12,167 --> 00:16:13,833 - [Tony] Some have theorized that gorillas 361 00:16:13,875 --> 00:16:15,125 or large chimps could have escaped 362 00:16:15,208 --> 00:16:16,333 from one of the private zoos 363 00:16:16,375 --> 00:16:19,083 that have littered Florida over decades. 364 00:16:19,083 --> 00:16:21,500 But anthropologist Kathy Strain says 365 00:16:21,542 --> 00:16:23,667 neither this creature's morphology 366 00:16:23,750 --> 00:16:25,833 nor its gait support that theory. 367 00:16:25,958 --> 00:16:27,917 - The way it comes out of the trees 368 00:16:28,042 --> 00:16:30,333 is what we call a groucho walk. 369 00:16:30,375 --> 00:16:34,125 It's very typical of what witnesses say 370 00:16:34,208 --> 00:16:35,500 Bigfoot walks like. 371 00:16:35,583 --> 00:16:37,667 You can see it on the Patterson-Gimlin film. 372 00:16:37,750 --> 00:16:39,458 You can see it in other examples 373 00:16:39,542 --> 00:16:43,042 where it's this strangely bent knee gait. 374 00:16:43,125 --> 00:16:45,500 It seems to be out of human proportions 375 00:16:45,542 --> 00:16:48,208 in the sense that you can't see a neck. 376 00:16:48,333 --> 00:16:51,750 It has very beefy looking arms. 377 00:16:51,875 --> 00:16:55,000 It has interesting legs that seem shorter 378 00:16:55,042 --> 00:16:56,917 than what you would see in humans. 379 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,333 - Whatever this was, it was pretty big. 380 00:16:58,417 --> 00:17:00,375 In excess of six, six and a half, 381 00:17:00,458 --> 00:17:02,333 seven feet in height perhaps. 382 00:17:02,417 --> 00:17:03,583 And quite bulky. 383 00:17:03,667 --> 00:17:06,417 It appears very substantial. 384 00:17:06,500 --> 00:17:09,833 That is the arms and the legs are not spindly. 385 00:17:09,917 --> 00:17:12,083 They appear to be thick and muscular. 386 00:17:12,208 --> 00:17:14,250 - [Tony] Or could this all just be a hoax? 387 00:17:14,333 --> 00:17:18,208 - In order to have this video be credible, 388 00:17:18,292 --> 00:17:20,250 I would expect to see a lot 389 00:17:20,333 --> 00:17:23,667 more thermal imagery through the trees. 390 00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:26,500 I wouldn't expect it to just completely disappear. 391 00:17:26,583 --> 00:17:29,333 - [Tony] Stacy Brown Jr. claims the reason the clip ends 392 00:17:29,458 --> 00:17:31,875 is because the camera stopped working. 393 00:17:31,958 --> 00:17:33,167 So what does Meldrum think? 394 00:17:33,292 --> 00:17:36,125 - I know Stacy actually, personally, 395 00:17:36,208 --> 00:17:37,458 and have visited with him. 396 00:17:37,542 --> 00:17:41,125 I have no reason to suspect that he contrived this. 397 00:17:41,208 --> 00:17:43,125 And so the only other question would be 398 00:17:43,208 --> 00:17:44,917 is anyone foolish enough 399 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,667 to traipse around buck naked in the dark? 400 00:17:48,708 --> 00:17:50,750 (tense music) 401 00:17:52,917 --> 00:17:55,167 - Our verdict? Unknown creature. 402 00:17:55,250 --> 00:17:57,333 Given that this footage was filmed at night 403 00:17:57,417 --> 00:17:59,958 with an early generation thermal imaging camera, 404 00:18:00,042 --> 00:18:01,708 we don't quite have enough information 405 00:18:01,708 --> 00:18:03,500 to reach a definitive answer, 406 00:18:03,542 --> 00:18:06,833 but whether this was indeed the Florida skunk ape 407 00:18:06,917 --> 00:18:08,792 or merely a subspecies of Florida Man 408 00:18:08,875 --> 00:18:13,250 with a proclivity for nocturnal nudism, we can say this. 409 00:18:13,333 --> 00:18:19,708 The situation definitely warrants further investigation. 410 00:18:19,708 --> 00:18:21,708 (dramatic music) 411 00:18:24,417 --> 00:18:26,458 - There have only been a handful of instances 412 00:18:26,542 --> 00:18:30,000 where someone reported seeing a juvenile Sasquatch. 413 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,708 You're about to see one of them. 414 00:18:31,792 --> 00:18:35,667 A rare glimpse at what some are calling a baby Bigfoot. 415 00:18:35,708 --> 00:18:37,292 Take a look. 416 00:18:37,375 --> 00:18:40,833 May 23rd, 1997, the Catskill Mountains of New York, 417 00:18:40,875 --> 00:18:43,667 and Doug Pridgen is filming his friends around a fire. 418 00:18:43,708 --> 00:18:45,500 It's a Friday night and they're camped out 419 00:18:45,583 --> 00:18:49,000 for a nearby music festival, but they are not alone. 420 00:18:49,167 --> 00:18:50,667 - Are we filming now? - [Doug] We're filming. 421 00:18:50,750 --> 00:18:53,292 - Okay. Okay. Okay. (camper talking indistinctly) 422 00:18:53,375 --> 00:18:54,667 - [Tony] In the background of the footage, 423 00:18:54,708 --> 00:18:57,208 a shape emerges between the trees. 424 00:18:57,333 --> 00:18:59,458 It appears to be a small, bipedal creature 425 00:18:59,542 --> 00:19:02,208 that proceeds to climb and swing from the branches. 426 00:19:04,375 --> 00:19:07,250 Look again, especially at that swinging motion. 427 00:19:07,333 --> 00:19:09,375 - This is not a dude in a suit. 428 00:19:09,458 --> 00:19:12,083 There's no way a person could imitate 429 00:19:12,167 --> 00:19:15,917 that kind of motion up in a tree. 430 00:19:15,917 --> 00:19:17,333 Most of those branches probably 431 00:19:17,458 --> 00:19:20,125 couldn't even support an adult human male's weight. 432 00:19:20,208 --> 00:19:22,375 It has to be an ape of some sort. 433 00:19:22,458 --> 00:19:24,875 I think that is a Sasquatch 434 00:19:26,125 --> 00:19:29,167 doing baby Sasquatch stuff up in a tree. 435 00:19:29,292 --> 00:19:30,583 - [Tony] While reported sightings 436 00:19:30,708 --> 00:19:34,250 of young Sasquatch-like primates are rare, they do exist, 437 00:19:34,375 --> 00:19:36,375 including one story from British Columbia 438 00:19:36,375 --> 00:19:39,333 that dates all the way back to the 1800s. 439 00:19:39,333 --> 00:19:44,042 - The story goes that on the Trans-Canadian railroad, 440 00:19:44,125 --> 00:19:47,167 the railroad workers saw a juvenile Sasquatch, 441 00:19:47,250 --> 00:19:48,500 even though they didn't call it that, 442 00:19:48,583 --> 00:19:50,125 'cause the word didn't exist yet. 443 00:19:50,208 --> 00:19:51,542 They hit it with a rock, 444 00:19:51,625 --> 00:19:54,250 knocked it out, and basically captured it. 445 00:19:54,333 --> 00:19:55,625 People came and looked at it. 446 00:19:55,708 --> 00:19:57,750 A couple newspaper accounts depict 447 00:19:57,875 --> 00:19:59,250 how big it was, how tall it was. 448 00:19:59,333 --> 00:20:01,375 It wouldn't eat this. It would eat that. 449 00:20:01,458 --> 00:20:02,917 And then it disappears. 450 00:20:03,042 --> 00:20:05,667 Some people think that they are gonna ship it back to the UK 451 00:20:05,667 --> 00:20:08,167 and it died in transit and they threw it overboard. 452 00:20:08,250 --> 00:20:10,500 Dr. Grover Krantz suggested 453 00:20:10,542 --> 00:20:13,208 that perhaps P.T. Barnum bought it 454 00:20:13,292 --> 00:20:14,583 because it was around that time 455 00:20:14,708 --> 00:20:18,333 that Jojo the Dogface Boy became part 456 00:20:18,375 --> 00:20:21,500 of the traveling circus for P.T. Barnum. 457 00:20:21,583 --> 00:20:23,833 - [Tony] Barackman also believes that if you look closely, 458 00:20:23,917 --> 00:20:26,167 you can actually see a potential mama Sasquatch 459 00:20:26,250 --> 00:20:27,417 in this footage. 460 00:20:27,500 --> 00:20:29,292 - Right there. Look at that. 461 00:20:29,375 --> 00:20:32,083 It's moving. It just moved back that direction. 462 00:20:32,167 --> 00:20:33,625 One of the most common misconceptions 463 00:20:33,708 --> 00:20:37,250 about Bigfoot is that it is an individual. 464 00:20:37,333 --> 00:20:38,833 But it's not true. 465 00:20:38,833 --> 00:20:43,333 They clearly reproduce as any normal animal would 466 00:20:43,417 --> 00:20:45,583 and right here, this is the proof of that. 467 00:20:45,708 --> 00:20:49,583 We have a larger one down below and a juvenile up in a tree. 468 00:20:52,375 --> 00:20:53,667 - Many Sasquatch researchers 469 00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:56,250 believe the reason juvenile Bigfoot sightings 470 00:20:56,333 --> 00:20:59,500 are so rarely documented, may be the same reason 471 00:20:59,583 --> 00:21:01,667 you've probably never seen a baby pigeon 472 00:21:01,750 --> 00:21:03,250 or a baby squirrel. 473 00:21:03,250 --> 00:21:04,583 The mothers of these animals 474 00:21:04,667 --> 00:21:06,500 secretly protect their young offspring 475 00:21:06,583 --> 00:21:09,208 in secluded nests or shelters 476 00:21:09,292 --> 00:21:11,292 until the moment they are big and strong enough 477 00:21:11,375 --> 00:21:13,750 to reveal themselves to the outside world. 478 00:21:13,875 --> 00:21:17,125 Let's see if this potential baby Bigfoot is ready 479 00:21:17,208 --> 00:21:19,250 to reveal himself to our experts. 480 00:21:19,375 --> 00:21:21,583 (tense music) 481 00:21:23,250 --> 00:21:24,833 Some question if this could possibly 482 00:21:24,917 --> 00:21:27,625 be a human child swinging on these branches. 483 00:21:27,708 --> 00:21:31,208 - The problem is humans, for all their agility, 484 00:21:31,292 --> 00:21:32,625 don't have the capability 485 00:21:32,625 --> 00:21:36,167 to cavort around amongst the branches of a tree 486 00:21:36,208 --> 00:21:39,333 as the individual that I witness in this film. 487 00:21:39,375 --> 00:21:42,375 That points to at least the infant 488 00:21:42,375 --> 00:21:44,792 being something other than human. 489 00:21:44,875 --> 00:21:48,500 - [Tony] So if it's not human, what about a small bear? 490 00:21:48,542 --> 00:21:51,292 Infant bears are known to climb trees. 491 00:21:51,375 --> 00:21:53,333 But Meldrum says this creature's anatomy 492 00:21:53,417 --> 00:21:55,292 is much closer to an ape's. 493 00:21:55,375 --> 00:21:56,667 - Its limb proportions aren't 494 00:21:56,708 --> 00:21:59,208 that different from a small chimpanzee. 495 00:21:59,292 --> 00:22:00,417 Either what we're looking at 496 00:22:00,542 --> 00:22:03,542 is something like a chimpanzee infant 497 00:22:03,625 --> 00:22:06,708 or it is a young Sasquatch. 498 00:22:06,708 --> 00:22:09,000 - [Tony] Private investigator Steve Coles was one of 499 00:22:09,042 --> 00:22:12,000 the first people to investigate this mysterious video. 500 00:22:12,083 --> 00:22:14,667 - We had to confirm, and we did with the property owner, 501 00:22:14,750 --> 00:22:16,875 that they did not allow any animals 502 00:22:16,958 --> 00:22:20,750 whatsoever on the property because of insurance purposes. 503 00:22:20,833 --> 00:22:23,458 I did make calls around to see if there was any escapes 504 00:22:23,542 --> 00:22:28,167 from zoos or medical laboratories and there weren't. 505 00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:29,958 - [Tony] We checked with wildlife biologist, 506 00:22:30,042 --> 00:22:32,167 Stephanie Manka, to see if she could shed any light 507 00:22:32,208 --> 00:22:33,542 on this potential primate. 508 00:22:33,667 --> 00:22:35,458 - So based on primate behavior, 509 00:22:35,583 --> 00:22:38,583 I would expect the young to be closer 510 00:22:38,667 --> 00:22:42,583 to the adult because primates, 511 00:22:42,667 --> 00:22:45,458 they tend to have fewer young 512 00:22:45,542 --> 00:22:48,875 and the young tend to stay around the mother 513 00:22:48,958 --> 00:22:50,500 for a long period of time. 514 00:22:50,583 --> 00:22:52,500 I wouldn't expect it to be so far away 515 00:22:52,583 --> 00:22:55,042 from the mother in the trees. 516 00:22:55,125 --> 00:22:58,583 And I highly doubt that a mother 517 00:22:58,667 --> 00:23:01,833 with its young would bring it so close 518 00:23:01,875 --> 00:23:05,000 to people at an event like a music festival 519 00:23:05,083 --> 00:23:08,333 where there is a lot of noise and a lot of people there. 520 00:23:09,667 --> 00:23:11,458 - [Tony] In fact, it is this behavior 521 00:23:11,542 --> 00:23:13,375 that makes Manka disagree with Meldrum 522 00:23:13,458 --> 00:23:15,875 on the potential identity of these creatures. 523 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,208 - With bears, they love to scavenge on human foods 524 00:23:19,292 --> 00:23:23,042 and in fact, a festival like this could even attract bears 525 00:23:23,042 --> 00:23:24,958 because they could realize 526 00:23:25,042 --> 00:23:27,458 that there's a lot of free food around 527 00:23:27,542 --> 00:23:29,375 for them to scavenge. 528 00:23:29,458 --> 00:23:32,667 Black bears can easily climb trees 529 00:23:32,750 --> 00:23:35,583 and often moms will encourage their cubs 530 00:23:35,667 --> 00:23:38,250 to go up trees to protect them from predators. 531 00:23:38,333 --> 00:23:40,583 I think it's most likely a bear cub 532 00:23:40,583 --> 00:23:43,125 that's swinging in these branches and not a primate. 533 00:23:46,125 --> 00:23:48,125 (tense music) 534 00:23:49,875 --> 00:23:52,833 - Our verdict? Unidentified animal. 535 00:23:52,875 --> 00:23:55,583 Manka thinks the creature's behavior says bear cub, 536 00:23:55,667 --> 00:23:59,500 while Meldrum thinks its limb proportions mean primate. 537 00:23:59,542 --> 00:24:01,917 Seems like the only thing our experts can agree on 538 00:24:02,042 --> 00:24:08,958 is that whatever this thing is, it certainly isn't human. 539 00:24:08,958 --> 00:24:10,958 (dramatic music) 540 00:24:13,625 --> 00:24:16,833 - With the proliferation of trail cams in America's forests, 541 00:24:16,875 --> 00:24:21,333 it's often asked why we haven't recorded the Sasquatch on one. 542 00:24:21,375 --> 00:24:23,625 Well, maybe we have, as you're about to see. 543 00:24:24,625 --> 00:24:28,583 September 16th, 2007, Ridgeway, Pennsylvania. 544 00:24:28,667 --> 00:24:31,000 Rick Jacobs fastens a motion sensing camera 545 00:24:31,042 --> 00:24:33,708 in a remote section of the Allegheny National Forest 546 00:24:33,833 --> 00:24:36,833 about 115 miles northeast of Pittsburgh. 547 00:24:36,958 --> 00:24:40,000 He's hoping to photograph deer that may be using the trail, 548 00:24:40,083 --> 00:24:42,292 but when he reviews the pictures he's captured, 549 00:24:42,375 --> 00:24:43,917 he sees this. 550 00:24:44,042 --> 00:24:45,333 (ominous music) 551 00:24:45,417 --> 00:24:50,083 Two furry bear cubs foraging at 20:04:23. 552 00:24:50,167 --> 00:24:54,208 But check out this second image, taken 28 minutes later, 553 00:24:54,292 --> 00:24:57,667 where we see an ape-like animal from a rear side angle 554 00:24:57,708 --> 00:25:00,125 with its head obscured by its shoulders. 555 00:25:01,375 --> 00:25:03,667 In the third image, taken 30 seconds later, 556 00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:05,833 the animal, lean and elongated, 557 00:25:05,875 --> 00:25:08,042 appears to be smelling the ground near 558 00:25:08,125 --> 00:25:10,750 where deer attractant mix had been scattered. 559 00:25:11,708 --> 00:25:13,750 Field researcher Cliff Barackman tells us that 560 00:25:13,875 --> 00:25:17,208 where these photos were taken is definitely Bigfoot country. 561 00:25:17,292 --> 00:25:19,083 - I've spoken to several witnesses 562 00:25:19,167 --> 00:25:22,167 who have seen Sasquatches just a few miles away 563 00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:24,167 from where this particular picture was taken. 564 00:25:24,208 --> 00:25:26,500 One gentleman was driving his van down the road 565 00:25:26,625 --> 00:25:28,708 when this thing came out of the forest 566 00:25:28,833 --> 00:25:30,833 and you know what his number one observation was 567 00:25:30,917 --> 00:25:32,958 besides the mass and the size 568 00:25:33,042 --> 00:25:36,000 of the thing was the size of its butt. 569 00:25:36,042 --> 00:25:37,208 That's no coincidence. 570 00:25:37,375 --> 00:25:39,500 It's one of the prominent features. 571 00:25:39,542 --> 00:25:41,167 Bigfoot got back. 572 00:25:41,250 --> 00:25:42,500 - [Tony] Bigfoot got back? 573 00:25:42,583 --> 00:25:44,042 As ridiculous as that may sound, 574 00:25:44,125 --> 00:25:45,708 it's consistent with that famous image 575 00:25:45,792 --> 00:25:47,333 of Patty we keep referencing, 576 00:25:47,417 --> 00:25:50,375 the alleged Sasquatch captured on the Patterson-Gimlin film. 577 00:25:50,500 --> 00:25:51,708 - [Cliff] Your butt muscles, 578 00:25:51,792 --> 00:25:53,750 which are the largest muscles in your body, 579 00:25:53,833 --> 00:25:57,250 are used for keeping your torso over your pelvis. 580 00:25:57,333 --> 00:25:59,667 And they're used for bipedal walking. 581 00:25:59,750 --> 00:26:02,458 That's why bears don't have big butt muscles. 582 00:26:02,542 --> 00:26:04,000 They're quadrupeds. 583 00:26:04,083 --> 00:26:05,292 - [Tony] But wait, 584 00:26:05,375 --> 00:26:07,875 this creature doesn't have that same big hindquarters. 585 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:08,958 So what gives? 586 00:26:09,042 --> 00:26:10,958 - All the other pictures that I think are real 587 00:26:10,958 --> 00:26:14,208 of Sasquatches have well-developed butt muscles, 588 00:26:14,292 --> 00:26:16,625 but yet this one does not. 589 00:26:16,708 --> 00:26:18,750 - [Tony] Barackman theorizes that it could be possible 590 00:26:18,833 --> 00:26:22,250 that what we are seeing is an underdeveloped specimen, 591 00:26:22,333 --> 00:26:23,958 a Bigfoot junior if you will. 592 00:26:24,042 --> 00:26:26,417 - This clearly would not be a full sized Sasquatch. 593 00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:28,333 It doesn't look like it's that big 594 00:26:28,417 --> 00:26:29,833 and it is generally thought 595 00:26:29,875 --> 00:26:32,125 that Sasquatches lean a little bit more 596 00:26:32,208 --> 00:26:34,917 towards going on all fours when they're young. 597 00:26:36,750 --> 00:26:39,000 - The Bigfoot Field Research Organization 598 00:26:39,125 --> 00:26:40,542 agrees with Barackman. 599 00:26:40,625 --> 00:26:42,792 Even though the derriere of this creature 600 00:26:42,875 --> 00:26:46,083 appears to be flat, similar to a bear's bottom, 601 00:26:46,167 --> 00:26:48,833 they claim the limb-to-torso ratio seen 602 00:26:48,875 --> 00:26:53,000 in these photos can only compare to a bipedal primate. 603 00:26:53,042 --> 00:26:55,083 Let's see what our experts think. 604 00:26:55,167 --> 00:26:57,250 (tense music) 605 00:26:58,958 --> 00:27:01,792 We checked in with wildlife biologist Stephanie Manka. 606 00:27:01,792 --> 00:27:04,667 - I think it is most likely a bear, 607 00:27:04,708 --> 00:27:09,167 given the body shape and the body size. 608 00:27:09,250 --> 00:27:10,667 A younger bear. 609 00:27:10,750 --> 00:27:13,542 They're smaller, but they can have lengthier limbs 610 00:27:13,625 --> 00:27:15,458 and be a little bit thinner. 611 00:27:15,542 --> 00:27:17,500 The reasons why it doesn't look like a bear 612 00:27:17,542 --> 00:27:19,917 is because you can't clearly make out a snout 613 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,500 and that might be because of the angle of the head 614 00:27:22,583 --> 00:27:24,750 or the blurriness in the photo. 615 00:27:24,875 --> 00:27:26,208 - [Tony] But even if the strange shape 616 00:27:26,292 --> 00:27:29,083 and size can be attributed to this being a young bear, 617 00:27:29,167 --> 00:27:31,792 its patchy exterior still looks a little odd. 618 00:27:31,875 --> 00:27:36,375 - I think that its skin is exposed because of mange. 619 00:27:37,542 --> 00:27:41,667 Mange is an insect-like arachnid. 620 00:27:41,708 --> 00:27:46,500 They're very tiny and they burrow into animals' skin 621 00:27:46,583 --> 00:27:51,208 and this causes a lot of pain and itching, 622 00:27:51,292 --> 00:27:52,958 and if left untreated, 623 00:27:53,042 --> 00:27:55,958 the animal can lose a lot of hair 624 00:27:56,042 --> 00:28:00,333 and it can make the skin exposed and looked scaly. 625 00:28:00,417 --> 00:28:02,667 - [Tony] As we've seen, anatomist and Bigfoot expert, 626 00:28:02,750 --> 00:28:05,208 Dr. Jeff Meldrum knows a thing or two about feet 627 00:28:05,292 --> 00:28:06,458 and he agrees with Manka 628 00:28:06,542 --> 00:28:08,417 after spotting a key piece of evidence. 629 00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:11,667 - Those are the feet of a bear. 630 00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:15,042 They aren't the plantigrade feet of an ape. 631 00:28:15,125 --> 00:28:19,333 And if you adjust the lighting ever so slightly, 632 00:28:19,458 --> 00:28:20,958 guess what pops up? 633 00:28:21,042 --> 00:28:23,750 A tail. It has a short stubby tail, 634 00:28:23,833 --> 00:28:26,875 which is a dead giveaway that it's a bear. 635 00:28:26,958 --> 00:28:28,833 - [Tony] Meldrum suggests that if more frames 636 00:28:28,875 --> 00:28:30,667 from the trail camera were made available, 637 00:28:30,750 --> 00:28:33,083 the truth would've been immediately obvious. 638 00:28:34,167 --> 00:28:36,500 - There seems to be some cherry picking 639 00:28:36,583 --> 00:28:39,333 in the depiction of selected frames 640 00:28:39,417 --> 00:28:41,458 and it's very misleading. 641 00:28:41,542 --> 00:28:43,792 (tense music) 642 00:28:45,417 --> 00:28:47,333 - Our verdict? Black bear. 643 00:28:47,417 --> 00:28:50,375 Our experts agree and we're inclined to agree with them. 644 00:28:50,458 --> 00:28:53,792 There's really nothing big about these feet. 645 00:28:53,875 --> 00:28:56,417 This is most likely just a growing bear cub suffering 646 00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:58,333 from a nasty case of mange. 647 00:28:58,417 --> 00:28:59,625 However, we do know 648 00:28:59,708 --> 00:29:01,958 that trail cams are more prevalent than ever, 649 00:29:02,042 --> 00:29:04,708 so we'll be sure to bring you more relevant images 650 00:29:04,708 --> 00:29:05,958 as they come in. 651 00:29:09,708 --> 00:29:11,958 (dramatic music) 652 00:29:14,833 --> 00:29:16,708 - Several counties in Washington state 653 00:29:16,708 --> 00:29:19,250 have created Sasquatch preservation laws, 654 00:29:19,333 --> 00:29:22,250 making it illegal to hunt such a specimen 655 00:29:22,333 --> 00:29:23,708 if ever discovered. 656 00:29:23,833 --> 00:29:25,250 However, the Texas Parks 657 00:29:25,333 --> 00:29:27,083 and Wildlife Department actually stated 658 00:29:27,167 --> 00:29:30,333 that since Sasquatch is technically not 659 00:29:30,417 --> 00:29:32,667 on the endangered species list, 660 00:29:32,750 --> 00:29:36,375 it is legally open season on any pesky Bigfoots. 661 00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:39,833 And after hearing the sounds in our next story, 662 00:29:39,917 --> 00:29:41,875 I can understand why some Texas residents 663 00:29:41,958 --> 00:29:44,792 may be getting itchy trigger fingers. 664 00:29:44,875 --> 00:29:46,167 (ominous music) (birds chirping) 665 00:29:46,333 --> 00:29:48,875 It's January, 2022, and Boyd Sims, 666 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,333 a "Proof is Out There" viewer, 667 00:29:50,417 --> 00:29:52,875 is on a month long expedition 50 miles north 668 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,125 of Houston, Texas in the Sam Houston National Forest. 669 00:29:56,208 --> 00:29:58,417 He is there to record wildlife sounds. 670 00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:01,125 And what he discovers is music to his ears. 671 00:30:02,417 --> 00:30:05,375 (creature screeching) 672 00:30:12,875 --> 00:30:14,500 - I couldn't believe what I was hearing. 673 00:30:14,583 --> 00:30:17,083 I was shocked. I was in shock. 674 00:30:17,167 --> 00:30:19,708 - [Tony] Boyd has made dozens of strange recordings 675 00:30:19,792 --> 00:30:22,083 of what he describes as Bigfoot calls. 676 00:30:22,208 --> 00:30:24,917 - I spent years looking for explanations 677 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,917 of the audio recordings I have 678 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,500 and can't find any animal that makes any 679 00:30:29,583 --> 00:30:31,083 of the sounds that I have recorded. 680 00:30:31,167 --> 00:30:33,542 Sasquatch is definitely here in Texas. 681 00:30:33,625 --> 00:30:36,792 (creature screeching) 682 00:30:38,042 --> 00:30:39,917 - This area of the country has a ton 683 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,458 of Bigfoot reports out of it dating back 684 00:30:42,542 --> 00:30:43,833 into the 1800s. 685 00:30:43,917 --> 00:30:47,833 I have personally spoken to a dozen or two people 686 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,125 that have seen Sasquatches in this area. 687 00:30:50,208 --> 00:30:54,083 One fisherman found footprints that were about 13 inches. 688 00:30:54,167 --> 00:30:57,083 - [Tony] In fact, there are more than 40 Sasquatch reports a year 689 00:30:57,167 --> 00:30:59,250 inside the Sam Houston National Forest. 690 00:30:59,333 --> 00:31:02,000 - That's a pretty significant number of people 691 00:31:02,125 --> 00:31:04,083 that have seen Sasquatches in this area. 692 00:31:06,042 --> 00:31:08,167 - Boyd's recordings are hardly the first time 693 00:31:08,292 --> 00:31:10,542 an alleged Bigfoot sound was captured. 694 00:31:10,625 --> 00:31:12,167 Made in the early 1970s, 695 00:31:12,292 --> 00:31:14,917 the Sierra sound recordings are touted 696 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,625 as the gold standard of evidence for Bigfoot language. 697 00:31:18,708 --> 00:31:21,208 (creature whooping) 698 00:31:21,292 --> 00:31:23,458 According to one respected linguist, 699 00:31:23,542 --> 00:31:24,583 these sounds captured 700 00:31:24,708 --> 00:31:27,042 in California's Sierra Nevada mountains 701 00:31:27,125 --> 00:31:30,042 reveal an actual intelligent conversation 702 00:31:30,125 --> 00:31:33,417 in an as of yet undocumented language. 703 00:31:33,417 --> 00:31:36,708 (creature whooping) 704 00:31:36,833 --> 00:31:38,333 Could we be hearing more evidence 705 00:31:38,417 --> 00:31:41,167 of Bigfoot talking in Boyd's recordings? 706 00:31:41,250 --> 00:31:43,333 We'll let our experts sound off. 707 00:31:43,417 --> 00:31:45,542 (tense music) 708 00:31:47,667 --> 00:31:50,958 - The whoops (creature whooping) 709 00:31:51,042 --> 00:31:54,000 may be the means by which males and females 710 00:31:54,125 --> 00:31:56,417 of this relatively solitary, 711 00:31:56,500 --> 00:32:00,458 widely dispersed, very rare species find a mate. 712 00:32:00,542 --> 00:32:03,500 (creature screeching) 713 00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:07,542 These loud calls are probably territorial. 714 00:32:07,542 --> 00:32:09,000 By comparison, 715 00:32:09,042 --> 00:32:13,667 large male orangutans broadcast their territory 716 00:32:13,792 --> 00:32:18,500 by a loud raucous call that booms out through the jungle. 717 00:32:18,625 --> 00:32:21,667 (orangutan vocalizing) 718 00:32:21,708 --> 00:32:25,167 They've even developed extensive laryngeal air sacks 719 00:32:25,250 --> 00:32:28,708 that act as almost like amplifiers 720 00:32:28,792 --> 00:32:30,125 and so it stands to reason 721 00:32:30,208 --> 00:32:34,875 that perhaps Sasquatch have these same air sacks. 722 00:32:34,958 --> 00:32:37,000 - [Tony] Meldrum suggests that these air sacks 723 00:32:37,083 --> 00:32:40,708 may also enable Sasquatch to produce infrasound, 724 00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:42,458 a low frequency sound used 725 00:32:42,542 --> 00:32:45,333 by animals such as elephants and whales. 726 00:32:45,417 --> 00:32:49,292 These sounds allow animals to communicate at great distances 727 00:32:49,375 --> 00:32:52,333 and can even affect the physiology of a listener. 728 00:32:53,333 --> 00:32:55,417 - It can cause the stimulation of receptors 729 00:32:55,542 --> 00:32:57,833 in the brain that will evoke fear 730 00:32:57,917 --> 00:33:01,125 and trepidation as well as other emotions. 731 00:33:01,208 --> 00:33:03,333 I've talked to witnesses who said, you know, 732 00:33:03,417 --> 00:33:06,167 that their very core vibrated 733 00:33:06,292 --> 00:33:11,417 from the intensity and the pitch of these sounds. 734 00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:14,333 - [Tony] Could Sasquatches possibly be using infrasound 735 00:33:14,458 --> 00:33:17,083 to keep people away as a desperate effort 736 00:33:17,167 --> 00:33:19,667 to keep their dwindling species alive? 737 00:33:19,708 --> 00:33:23,000 We checked in with forensic audio analyst Dr. Robert Maher, 738 00:33:23,083 --> 00:33:24,667 who first compares the recording 739 00:33:24,750 --> 00:33:27,000 to known animals found in the area, 740 00:33:27,125 --> 00:33:28,833 starting with the wild boar. 741 00:33:28,875 --> 00:33:31,458 (boar screeching) 742 00:33:32,417 --> 00:33:35,167 - It's making a kind of a chirpy kind of sound 743 00:33:35,250 --> 00:33:38,208 rather than a long howl like the Sam Houston recording. 744 00:33:38,292 --> 00:33:41,042 (creature screeching) 745 00:33:41,125 --> 00:33:42,417 - [Tony] If it's not a boar, 746 00:33:42,542 --> 00:33:44,750 could it be another local animal like the fox? 747 00:33:44,833 --> 00:33:46,000 Maher doesn't think so. 748 00:33:46,083 --> 00:33:48,000 (fox screeching) 749 00:33:48,042 --> 00:33:49,167 - Rather than being a howl, 750 00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:51,000 it's much more of a modulating kind of, 751 00:33:51,083 --> 00:33:52,833 (imitating fox) kind of thing. 752 00:33:52,875 --> 00:33:55,542 So it didn't seem like the fox would be a likely candidate. 753 00:33:55,625 --> 00:33:58,417 - [Tony] However, when it comes to the coyote. 754 00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:01,417 (coyote howling) 755 00:34:02,625 --> 00:34:05,292 - We can see the sound starts at a lower pitch, 756 00:34:05,375 --> 00:34:07,792 goes up, and then sustains at that level. 757 00:34:07,875 --> 00:34:09,250 And that's similar to what we heard 758 00:34:09,333 --> 00:34:11,500 in the Sam Houston recording. 759 00:34:11,542 --> 00:34:14,833 (creature screeching) 760 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,000 (coyote howling) 761 00:34:19,583 --> 00:34:21,667 I can't say that it's absolutely certain, 762 00:34:21,708 --> 00:34:26,000 but it's similar enough that I think that's a possibility. 763 00:34:26,083 --> 00:34:28,250 - [Tony] Okay, so maybe a coyote. 764 00:34:28,375 --> 00:34:30,708 But what about the big man himself? 765 00:34:30,792 --> 00:34:32,333 Maher checks for a Bigfoot match 766 00:34:32,417 --> 00:34:35,000 using the popular Sierra sounds. 767 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,250 (creature whooping) 768 00:34:40,875 --> 00:34:43,250 - We see a continuous sort of tone, 769 00:34:43,333 --> 00:34:45,417 but it's very short in duration 770 00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:48,583 and tends to be more of a yippy quality 771 00:34:48,667 --> 00:34:52,625 where the observation in Sam Houston was more of a howl. 772 00:34:52,708 --> 00:34:55,958 (creature screeching) 773 00:34:56,042 --> 00:34:59,500 (creature whooping) 774 00:34:59,583 --> 00:35:01,333 The characteristics are different enough 775 00:35:01,375 --> 00:35:03,208 that they're not the same source. 776 00:35:03,292 --> 00:35:06,917 (creature screeching) 777 00:35:07,042 --> 00:35:09,208 (tense music) 778 00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:13,333 - Our verdict? Unknown animal noises. 779 00:35:13,417 --> 00:35:16,500 While we have ruled out most of the local wildlife, 780 00:35:16,583 --> 00:35:19,667 the coyote was similar, but not a clear match, 781 00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:22,250 and the Sierra sounds had a different tone. 782 00:35:22,333 --> 00:35:25,292 Nothing lined up well enough to make a clear call, 783 00:35:25,375 --> 00:35:26,708 but if you ever find yourself 784 00:35:26,833 --> 00:35:29,500 in the Sam Houston National Forest like Boyd, 785 00:35:29,583 --> 00:35:32,458 be prepared for something strange to happen. 786 00:35:32,542 --> 00:35:36,625 Be prepared to record it and be prepared to run. 787 00:35:40,542 --> 00:35:42,625 (dramatic music) 788 00:35:44,958 --> 00:35:48,667 - We'll conclude our special Bigfoot episode with a question. 789 00:35:48,750 --> 00:35:50,250 We know how people behave 790 00:35:50,333 --> 00:35:52,167 when they think they've seen Bigfoot, 791 00:35:52,250 --> 00:35:55,583 but how would Bigfoot behave when he sees people? 792 00:35:55,667 --> 00:35:58,792 One intrepid family claims they found out the hard way. 793 00:36:00,625 --> 00:36:04,292 It's April 2009 and Chuck Newton has taken his young son 794 00:36:04,375 --> 00:36:06,625 into the Appalachian mountains of Virginia 795 00:36:06,708 --> 00:36:09,125 to have some fun with the family's ATV. 796 00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:12,167 Chuck barrels over rocks in the ravine, 797 00:36:12,250 --> 00:36:14,333 showing off for his young son 798 00:36:14,458 --> 00:36:16,542 when suddenly something strange appears. 799 00:36:16,542 --> 00:36:20,250 A hairy humanoid crossing their path nonchalantly. 800 00:36:20,375 --> 00:36:22,125 Chuck stops cold in his tracks. 801 00:36:28,167 --> 00:36:29,667 - [Tony] It's a wide shot. 802 00:36:29,833 --> 00:36:32,250 So let's push in and slow down so you can get a better look. 803 00:36:33,542 --> 00:36:35,500 We see that it's a bipedal figure 804 00:36:35,542 --> 00:36:38,500 that appears to be very large from this perspective, 805 00:36:38,583 --> 00:36:41,125 possibly exceeding seven feet in height. 806 00:36:41,208 --> 00:36:42,667 - [Witness] What was that? 807 00:36:43,708 --> 00:36:46,250 - [Tony] Field researcher Cliff Barackman says Bigfoot sightings 808 00:36:46,333 --> 00:36:49,500 in this area go all the way back to Native Americans. 809 00:36:49,583 --> 00:36:52,833 - In Virginia, the Cherokee people had stories 810 00:36:52,875 --> 00:36:56,583 of giant, hair covered, people-like things in the woods. 811 00:36:56,667 --> 00:36:58,375 They were doing the same sort of things 812 00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:00,792 as the people the Pacific Northwest described. 813 00:37:00,875 --> 00:37:02,750 The most reasonable explanation 814 00:37:02,833 --> 00:37:05,500 for these different people describing the same animals 815 00:37:05,583 --> 00:37:07,792 is that they were describing the same animals. 816 00:37:07,875 --> 00:37:11,208 Sasquatches have a continent-wide distribution. 817 00:37:11,292 --> 00:37:13,083 - [Tony] During the turn of the 20th century, 818 00:37:13,167 --> 00:37:14,917 local newspapers in the area reported 819 00:37:15,042 --> 00:37:17,167 on strange Sasquatch encounters. 820 00:37:17,208 --> 00:37:18,542 - An old newspaper report 821 00:37:18,667 --> 00:37:22,417 from 1892 reports a large upright being 822 00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:25,333 with thick hair covering its head and shoulders. 823 00:37:25,375 --> 00:37:28,000 But the word Sasquatch didn't exist then. 824 00:37:28,083 --> 00:37:30,333 They chose to call it the Woodbooger. 825 00:37:30,375 --> 00:37:32,167 - [Tony] The Woodbooger was rumored to be 826 00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:33,750 a horrifying sight that was known 827 00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:36,833 to carry away small children who wandered off in the night. 828 00:37:36,875 --> 00:37:39,958 - And booger, or Woodbooger, actually shares some 829 00:37:40,042 --> 00:37:43,083 of the same word roots as boogeyman 830 00:37:43,167 --> 00:37:45,208 and are used in much of the same way. 831 00:37:45,333 --> 00:37:46,500 A lot of times, people will say, 832 00:37:46,625 --> 00:37:48,208 "Now, you don't go out in the woods at night 833 00:37:48,292 --> 00:37:50,500 because the booger will get you." 834 00:37:50,542 --> 00:37:53,333 - [Tony] Although this video has its fair share of skeptics, 835 00:37:53,417 --> 00:37:55,333 Barackman thinks this could be real. 836 00:37:55,417 --> 00:38:00,375 - I find Chuck's reaction to be very natural, unstaged. 837 00:38:00,458 --> 00:38:02,417 When he turns and looks at the camera 838 00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:04,042 and points it, did you see that? 839 00:38:04,042 --> 00:38:05,708 And then he immediately looks back 840 00:38:05,833 --> 00:38:08,792 and watches the animal as it walks away. 841 00:38:08,875 --> 00:38:10,208 I find that many times, 842 00:38:10,292 --> 00:38:12,917 hoaxers focus on the camera itself 843 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,542 instead of at this amazing thing that they just saw 844 00:38:16,625 --> 00:38:18,917 that was unexpected right in front of them. 845 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,375 I've had the opportunity to go to this location 846 00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:23,292 with the witness, Chuck, 847 00:38:23,375 --> 00:38:25,750 and I found him to be very believable. 848 00:38:25,833 --> 00:38:28,083 (ominous music) 849 00:38:28,208 --> 00:38:29,375 - Interesting fact. 850 00:38:29,458 --> 00:38:31,333 Sasquatch sightings gained momentum 851 00:38:31,375 --> 00:38:34,375 in the American South right after the Civil War. 852 00:38:34,458 --> 00:38:37,167 One theory is that Confederate soldiers 853 00:38:37,208 --> 00:38:38,542 who refuse to surrender 854 00:38:38,625 --> 00:38:40,917 and hid out in the woods were being mistaken 855 00:38:41,042 --> 00:38:42,542 for these hairy creatures. 856 00:38:42,667 --> 00:38:44,083 Of course, that doesn't explain 857 00:38:44,083 --> 00:38:46,458 the older Native American legends. 858 00:38:46,542 --> 00:38:48,750 Let's see what our experts have to say. 859 00:38:48,875 --> 00:38:50,833 (tense music) 860 00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:53,583 - The creature that we're seeing 861 00:38:53,667 --> 00:38:56,500 in this video is clearly bipedal. 862 00:38:56,542 --> 00:38:58,500 The only other animal in this area 863 00:38:58,542 --> 00:39:00,542 that would be able to walk bipedally 864 00:39:00,667 --> 00:39:03,500 would be a bear walking on its hind legs. 865 00:39:03,583 --> 00:39:07,458 But when they do, they typically waddle more 866 00:39:07,542 --> 00:39:09,708 and take shorter steps. 867 00:39:09,792 --> 00:39:12,042 This being is clearly taking larger steps 868 00:39:12,167 --> 00:39:13,417 than a black bear would. 869 00:39:13,542 --> 00:39:15,167 - [Tony] So if it's not a bear, 870 00:39:15,250 --> 00:39:17,875 could we be looking at a real life Bigfoot? 871 00:39:17,958 --> 00:39:20,500 Biologist Floyd Hayes isn't so sure. 872 00:39:20,583 --> 00:39:22,208 - I'm just a little astonished to see 873 00:39:22,292 --> 00:39:25,333 that it's just casually crossing the stream. 874 00:39:26,333 --> 00:39:28,042 Doesn't seem to be the least bit concerned 875 00:39:28,125 --> 00:39:31,500 about this loud, noisy vehicle that's approaching it. 876 00:39:31,583 --> 00:39:33,083 I think this is either a human being 877 00:39:33,167 --> 00:39:37,042 in an ape-like costume that's crossing the river, 878 00:39:37,125 --> 00:39:39,625 or it is a fabricated video. 879 00:39:39,708 --> 00:39:42,500 - [Tony] Anatomy Professor Dr. Jeff Meldrum disagrees. 880 00:39:42,542 --> 00:39:43,792 He finds that this behavior 881 00:39:43,875 --> 00:39:47,208 could be perfectly acceptable for a Sasquatch. 882 00:39:47,292 --> 00:39:50,542 - The two most common circumstances 883 00:39:50,625 --> 00:39:56,167 under which encounters occur are on roads or near water. 884 00:39:56,250 --> 00:39:58,458 And so here we have the latter 885 00:39:58,542 --> 00:40:03,333 and even an ATV trudging up that creek bed 886 00:40:03,417 --> 00:40:07,208 might not have sounded as intrusive 887 00:40:07,292 --> 00:40:10,875 or intimidating as it would otherwise, 888 00:40:10,958 --> 00:40:15,208 given the muffling effect of the white noise of the stream. 889 00:40:15,292 --> 00:40:16,542 The witness interaction 890 00:40:16,625 --> 00:40:21,208 with the videographer is also very spontaneous, 891 00:40:21,333 --> 00:40:23,625 very natural, very convincing. 892 00:40:23,708 --> 00:40:25,708 - [WIness] What was that? 893 00:40:25,792 --> 00:40:28,083 - [Tony] And as for this being a man in a suit, 894 00:40:28,167 --> 00:40:29,625 Meldrum is doubtful, 895 00:40:29,708 --> 00:40:31,625 but is hesitant to make the call without evidence 896 00:40:31,708 --> 00:40:33,792 of the actual scale of this creature. 897 00:40:33,875 --> 00:40:37,583 - I would probably put it no more than seven feet. 898 00:40:37,667 --> 00:40:40,417 All these off the shelf costumes are made 899 00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:42,667 for average people, but they're not made 900 00:40:42,792 --> 00:40:44,708 for a seven or eight foot tall person. 901 00:40:44,792 --> 00:40:46,833 So if we could establish larger size, 902 00:40:46,875 --> 00:40:49,000 that would certainly lessen the chances 903 00:40:49,042 --> 00:40:52,792 of it being someone donning a costume. 904 00:40:52,875 --> 00:40:54,917 (tense music) 905 00:40:56,708 --> 00:40:59,292 - Our verdict? An unknown mammal. 906 00:40:59,375 --> 00:41:01,000 Our experts are stumped. 907 00:41:01,042 --> 00:41:02,792 And honestly, I am too. 908 00:41:02,875 --> 00:41:05,667 If this is not a hoax, it's nice to know 909 00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:07,792 that some Sasquatch seem pretty content 910 00:41:07,875 --> 00:41:11,417 to mind their own business when humans disturb them. 911 00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:12,583 And that's our show for tonight. 912 00:41:12,667 --> 00:41:14,583 Thank you so much for joining us 913 00:41:14,667 --> 00:41:18,083 and if you ever encounter Bigfoot, remember, 914 00:41:18,208 --> 00:41:21,333 don't panic and keep those cameras rolling. 915 00:41:21,375 --> 00:41:23,708 (dramatic music)