1 00:00:01,958 --> 00:00:03,542 - Tonight, on The Proof Is Out There. 2 00:00:03,542 --> 00:00:06,333 A special episode probing the truth about UFOs. 3 00:00:06,333 --> 00:00:08,042 The United States government admits 4 00:00:08,042 --> 00:00:10,417 it's baffled by videos like this. 5 00:00:10,417 --> 00:00:14,375 - The Pentagon themselves have listed this as unidentified. 6 00:00:14,375 --> 00:00:16,833 - [Tony] But is it hiding a deeper secret? 7 00:00:16,833 --> 00:00:20,000 - I was informed in the course of my official duties 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,750 of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval 9 00:00:23,750 --> 00:00:25,542 and reverse engineering program. 10 00:00:25,542 --> 00:00:28,167 - And there's been a disinformation campaign in place 11 00:00:28,167 --> 00:00:29,583 for the last 50 years. 12 00:00:29,583 --> 00:00:31,500 - [Tony] What are these unidentified objects 13 00:00:31,500 --> 00:00:33,792 that keep turning up near the US military? 14 00:00:33,792 --> 00:00:35,417 - This one is truly anomalous. 15 00:00:35,417 --> 00:00:38,500 - [Tony] Does this leaked footage reveal an alien craft 16 00:00:38,500 --> 00:00:39,958 the government wants to keep secret? 17 00:00:39,958 --> 00:00:42,083 - A helicopter or plane is out of the question. 18 00:00:42,083 --> 00:00:43,542 - [Tony] And a new take 19 00:00:43,542 --> 00:00:46,208 on the most famous UFO footage of all. 20 00:00:46,208 --> 00:00:48,583 - The importance of this video cannot be overstated. 21 00:00:48,583 --> 00:00:51,042 - I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens. 22 00:00:51,042 --> 00:00:52,375 - [Tony] Prepare yourself 23 00:00:52,375 --> 00:00:55,042 for The Proof Is Out There: The UFO Files. 24 00:00:55,042 --> 00:00:57,500 (dramatic music) 25 00:01:02,542 --> 00:01:04,000 Good evening and welcome 26 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,208 to The Proof Is Out There: The UFO Files. 27 00:01:07,208 --> 00:01:09,917 We're not talking about science fiction here. 28 00:01:09,917 --> 00:01:13,000 UFOs have become the subject of congressional hearings, 29 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,542 government studies, and eye popping whistleblower claims. 30 00:01:16,542 --> 00:01:19,250 The topic isn't fringe any longer. 31 00:01:19,250 --> 00:01:21,333 We've decided to devote an entire hour 32 00:01:21,333 --> 00:01:22,708 to the best videos and images 33 00:01:22,708 --> 00:01:27,000 of unidentified aerial phenomena, or UAP, 34 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,708 the government's preferred term for UFOs. 35 00:01:29,708 --> 00:01:32,458 Some are recent, some go back more than 30 years, 36 00:01:32,458 --> 00:01:35,042 and some are out of this world. 37 00:01:35,042 --> 00:01:36,542 Or are they? 38 00:01:36,542 --> 00:01:39,208 Because during these last few months, more than ever, 39 00:01:39,208 --> 00:01:41,417 that's been the biggest question. 40 00:01:41,417 --> 00:01:43,667 Where are these objects coming from? 41 00:01:45,375 --> 00:01:48,125 - Maybe we're on the cusp. 42 00:01:48,125 --> 00:01:50,250 Maybe we're on the cusp of something brand new, 43 00:01:50,250 --> 00:01:51,375 something exciting. 44 00:01:51,375 --> 00:01:52,917 - [Tony] Both the Pentagon, 45 00:01:52,917 --> 00:01:55,625 through its All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, or AARO, 46 00:01:55,625 --> 00:01:59,167 and NASA, through its UAP Independent Study Group, 47 00:01:59,167 --> 00:02:02,542 say there have been 800 UAP sightings since 2022. 48 00:02:02,542 --> 00:02:06,375 Of these, up to 5% cannot be explained away 49 00:02:06,375 --> 00:02:10,500 as aircraft, debris, birds, or anything else we know of. 50 00:02:10,500 --> 00:02:13,750 Officially, the officials don't know what they are. 51 00:02:13,750 --> 00:02:15,208 - Without sufficient data, 52 00:02:15,208 --> 00:02:18,167 we are unable to reach defendable conclusions 53 00:02:18,167 --> 00:02:20,125 that meet the high scientific standards 54 00:02:20,125 --> 00:02:21,250 we set for resolution. 55 00:02:21,250 --> 00:02:22,708 And I will not close a case 56 00:02:22,708 --> 00:02:25,250 that I cannot defend the conclusions of. 57 00:02:25,250 --> 00:02:27,375 - Most UAP sightings 58 00:02:27,375 --> 00:02:29,917 result in very limited data 59 00:02:29,917 --> 00:02:31,875 that makes it even more difficult 60 00:02:31,875 --> 00:02:34,750 to draw scientific conclusions 61 00:02:34,750 --> 00:02:37,375 about the nature of UAP. 62 00:02:37,375 --> 00:02:41,292 - We're seeing advanced types of propulsion being displayed, 63 00:02:41,292 --> 00:02:44,167 but no real answers as to what they are. 64 00:02:45,208 --> 00:02:47,208 - [Tony] Neither agency has gone as far as saying 65 00:02:47,208 --> 00:02:49,750 these objects are extraterrestrial, 66 00:02:49,750 --> 00:02:51,375 but one man did go that far 67 00:02:51,375 --> 00:02:53,333 and even if you don't know his name, 68 00:02:53,333 --> 00:02:55,250 you probably heard what he said. 69 00:02:55,250 --> 00:02:58,958 - I was informed, in the course of my official duties, 70 00:02:58,958 --> 00:03:02,083 of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval 71 00:03:02,083 --> 00:03:04,333 and reverse engineering program. 72 00:03:04,333 --> 00:03:05,625 - [Tony] David Grusch, 73 00:03:05,625 --> 00:03:07,208 former military intelligence officer 74 00:03:07,208 --> 00:03:09,083 turned Pentagon whistleblower, 75 00:03:09,083 --> 00:03:11,167 came forward in June 2023, 76 00:03:11,167 --> 00:03:12,458 claiming the government has been running 77 00:03:12,458 --> 00:03:15,542 a secret UFO crash retrieval program 78 00:03:15,542 --> 00:03:17,750 since at least World War II. 79 00:03:17,750 --> 00:03:18,750 According to Grusch, 80 00:03:18,750 --> 00:03:21,375 the US is in possession of downed alien craft, 81 00:03:21,375 --> 00:03:24,542 alien corpses, and the US and other nations 82 00:03:24,542 --> 00:03:28,083 may even have some kind of ongoing diplomatic relationship 83 00:03:28,083 --> 00:03:29,542 with aliens. 84 00:03:29,542 --> 00:03:31,708 - Do you believe our government has made contact 85 00:03:31,708 --> 00:03:34,792 with intelligent extraterrestrials? 86 00:03:36,250 --> 00:03:38,667 - Something I can't discuss in public setting. 87 00:03:38,667 --> 00:03:40,375 - I believe David's claims in the fact that 88 00:03:40,375 --> 00:03:42,792 we are covering extraterrestrial craft 89 00:03:42,792 --> 00:03:44,750 and extraterrestrial bodies 90 00:03:44,750 --> 00:03:46,958 from the general scientific community 91 00:03:46,958 --> 00:03:48,583 and the public at large 92 00:03:48,583 --> 00:03:50,833 and there's been a disinformation campaign in place 93 00:03:50,833 --> 00:03:52,708 for the last 50 years. 94 00:03:52,708 --> 00:03:54,125 - [Tony] Much of what Grusch is claiming 95 00:03:54,125 --> 00:03:55,542 has been said before. 96 00:03:55,542 --> 00:03:57,667 What makes this version of the story special 97 00:03:57,667 --> 00:04:01,250 is who is saying it and who he's saying it to. 98 00:04:01,250 --> 00:04:02,708 - It's very interesting to see someone 99 00:04:02,708 --> 00:04:04,708 with such a credentialed background 100 00:04:04,708 --> 00:04:07,375 as an intelligence officer make these claims 101 00:04:07,375 --> 00:04:08,958 in such an official manner. 102 00:04:08,958 --> 00:04:11,583 If he was lying, he could be held criminally liable. 103 00:04:11,583 --> 00:04:14,208 That would suggest to me that he certainly is not lying 104 00:04:14,208 --> 00:04:15,708 about what he's saying. 105 00:04:15,708 --> 00:04:17,500 - [Tony] But while Grusch has been making claims boldly 106 00:04:17,500 --> 00:04:19,208 and without equivocation, 107 00:04:19,208 --> 00:04:20,542 he has not presented the public 108 00:04:20,542 --> 00:04:23,833 with any physical evidence, documents, or images 109 00:04:23,833 --> 00:04:25,042 that corroborate them. 110 00:04:25,042 --> 00:04:27,417 - Unfortunately, just testimony alone 111 00:04:27,417 --> 00:04:31,083 is not enough to change the public's perception. 112 00:04:31,083 --> 00:04:33,417 We need physical evidence. 113 00:04:33,417 --> 00:04:35,542 - I'm highly skeptical of the idea 114 00:04:35,542 --> 00:04:39,542 that the US government has any type of crashed UFOs, 115 00:04:39,542 --> 00:04:41,875 but I do find the information that's being shared 116 00:04:41,875 --> 00:04:45,708 or relayed certainly merits investigation. 117 00:04:45,708 --> 00:04:47,417 - [Tony] Some say Grusch may himself 118 00:04:47,417 --> 00:04:49,292 be part of a disinformation campaign 119 00:04:49,292 --> 00:04:51,458 to keep us talking about aliens 120 00:04:51,458 --> 00:04:53,583 instead of the uncomfortable truth. 121 00:04:53,583 --> 00:04:56,417 The theory that many, if not all of these UAPs 122 00:04:56,417 --> 00:04:58,708 are really assets of rival militaries 123 00:04:58,708 --> 00:05:01,375 conducting reconnaissance on our aircraft, warships, 124 00:05:01,375 --> 00:05:03,208 and nuclear bases. 125 00:05:03,208 --> 00:05:04,875 - It's possible that this could be 126 00:05:04,875 --> 00:05:07,042 secret military technology. 127 00:05:07,042 --> 00:05:09,250 - [Tony] But until that theory is backed up by proof, 128 00:05:09,250 --> 00:05:10,625 the best evidence we have 129 00:05:10,625 --> 00:05:12,875 is still these infinitely intriguing videos. 130 00:05:16,875 --> 00:05:19,458 - Now, Pentagon whistleblower David Grusch 131 00:05:19,458 --> 00:05:21,375 has claimed the US government 132 00:05:21,375 --> 00:05:23,042 is sitting on much more UFO evidence 133 00:05:23,042 --> 00:05:25,208 than the handful of videos 134 00:05:25,208 --> 00:05:27,417 that they have officially released. 135 00:05:27,417 --> 00:05:29,250 Even if that's the case, 136 00:05:29,250 --> 00:05:32,042 what we've seen so far is pretty compelling. 137 00:05:32,042 --> 00:05:33,375 Like this video, that's left 138 00:05:33,375 --> 00:05:35,917 top government investigators stumped. 139 00:05:37,208 --> 00:05:39,500 July 12th, 2022, 140 00:05:39,500 --> 00:05:41,917 at an undisclosed location in the Middle East, 141 00:05:41,917 --> 00:05:44,583 an American MQ9 drone observes a conversation 142 00:05:44,583 --> 00:05:48,083 between two people on the street below. 143 00:05:48,083 --> 00:05:49,708 As they walk away from a house, 144 00:05:49,708 --> 00:05:53,167 a strange object comes into the sensor's field of view. 145 00:05:54,167 --> 00:05:57,500 A shiny, metallic ball darts diagonally across the frame, 146 00:05:57,500 --> 00:05:59,708 prompting the camera to jolt away from the people 147 00:05:59,708 --> 00:06:02,500 and follow the sphere eastward instead. 148 00:06:02,500 --> 00:06:05,375 The sphere looks to be at least a few feet across 149 00:06:05,375 --> 00:06:06,708 and it shoots through the sky 150 00:06:06,708 --> 00:06:09,083 in what appears to be a straight line. 151 00:06:09,083 --> 00:06:11,875 The grainy video ends with the sphere in mid-flight 152 00:06:11,875 --> 00:06:13,667 and center frame. 153 00:06:13,667 --> 00:06:15,583 This sphere took on greater meaning 154 00:06:15,583 --> 00:06:17,708 when AARO presented it to the public. 155 00:06:17,708 --> 00:06:19,208 - This is essentially all of the data 156 00:06:19,208 --> 00:06:21,708 we have associated with this event. 157 00:06:21,708 --> 00:06:23,417 It is going to be virtually impossible 158 00:06:23,417 --> 00:06:25,542 to fully identify that. 159 00:06:25,542 --> 00:06:26,708 - [Tony] That's right. 160 00:06:26,708 --> 00:06:28,917 Unlike other UAPs it's looked into, 161 00:06:28,917 --> 00:06:31,667 AARO still considers this video unresolved. 162 00:06:31,667 --> 00:06:33,375 - Kirkpatrick was tight-lipped 163 00:06:33,375 --> 00:06:35,833 about the exact origins of this object, 164 00:06:35,833 --> 00:06:38,833 but he did acknowledge the almost inhuman speeds 165 00:06:38,833 --> 00:06:42,500 at which it travels and the strange design. 166 00:06:42,500 --> 00:06:45,125 He also identified the Middle East region 167 00:06:45,125 --> 00:06:48,333 as a hotspot for UAPs. 168 00:06:48,333 --> 00:06:49,250 - [Tony] Considering the ongoing conflicts 169 00:06:49,250 --> 00:06:51,458 in the region, we have to wonder 170 00:06:51,458 --> 00:06:53,167 if these UFOs are related to others 171 00:06:53,167 --> 00:06:55,583 that have turned up during wartime. 172 00:06:55,583 --> 00:06:58,042 In 1951 during the Korean War, 173 00:06:58,042 --> 00:07:00,750 a group of American GIs stationed near Chowan 174 00:07:00,750 --> 00:07:03,125 encountered a mysterious glowing object 175 00:07:03,125 --> 00:07:05,625 that floated to the center of artillery explosions 176 00:07:05,625 --> 00:07:07,667 but took no damage. 177 00:07:07,667 --> 00:07:11,000 One veteran later claimed the glowing craft pulsated 178 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,208 and changed colors. 179 00:07:12,208 --> 00:07:13,417 In the following days, 180 00:07:13,417 --> 00:07:15,542 the GIs fell sick with what some believe 181 00:07:15,542 --> 00:07:17,667 was radiation poisoning. 182 00:07:17,667 --> 00:07:20,208 Some theorized that this unidentified craft 183 00:07:20,208 --> 00:07:23,875 and the hundreds reported by US troops since 2021 184 00:07:23,875 --> 00:07:26,208 are attracted to military targets. 185 00:07:26,208 --> 00:07:27,833 But why? 186 00:07:27,833 --> 00:07:31,208 - One explanation is that they're actually alien probes 187 00:07:31,208 --> 00:07:34,333 measuring our defensive or offensive capabilities. 188 00:07:34,333 --> 00:07:37,583 In an optimistic view, it's possible that 189 00:07:37,583 --> 00:07:40,458 they are simply trying to observe our behavior 190 00:07:40,458 --> 00:07:44,875 and figure out why we are so often in conflict. 191 00:07:44,875 --> 00:07:46,458 - [Tony] Whatever the reason, 192 00:07:46,458 --> 00:07:47,708 this sphere sighting over the Middle East 193 00:07:47,708 --> 00:07:49,917 appears to uphold the pattern. 194 00:07:52,458 --> 00:07:55,375 A Pentagon report released in 2022 195 00:07:55,375 --> 00:07:58,875 found evidence that UFOs can inflict injuries 196 00:07:58,875 --> 00:08:03,625 including radiation burns, paralysis, and brain damage. 197 00:08:03,625 --> 00:08:05,333 So while Kirkpatrick's office said 198 00:08:05,333 --> 00:08:08,500 this object wasn't an apparent threat, 199 00:08:08,500 --> 00:08:11,208 we are inclined to take another look. 200 00:08:11,208 --> 00:08:13,583 (tense music) 201 00:08:14,750 --> 00:08:17,875 We start by asking aviation expert Tim McMillan, 202 00:08:17,875 --> 00:08:20,500 could this be an advanced military drone? 203 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:21,958 - This doesn't match any type of technology 204 00:08:21,958 --> 00:08:23,042 that we're aware of. 205 00:08:23,042 --> 00:08:26,208 I don't see any obvious signs of propulsion, 206 00:08:26,208 --> 00:08:27,542 I don't see any wings. 207 00:08:27,542 --> 00:08:31,375 So all the necessary components for a typical aircraft. 208 00:08:31,375 --> 00:08:34,042 You'll notice we can see other features in the terrain 209 00:08:34,042 --> 00:08:37,500 which is below this object really clearly. 210 00:08:37,500 --> 00:08:39,458 So you would be able to definitely see 211 00:08:39,458 --> 00:08:40,708 if there were wings, 212 00:08:40,708 --> 00:08:43,500 there were rotors, any of those features on it. 213 00:08:43,500 --> 00:08:45,542 - [Tony] So it's a spherical object in the sky 214 00:08:45,542 --> 00:08:47,875 without apparent means of propulsion. 215 00:08:47,875 --> 00:08:49,583 Could it just be a balloon? 216 00:08:49,583 --> 00:08:51,250 - It certainly could be a balloon of some sort. 217 00:08:51,250 --> 00:08:54,583 Particularly in the Middle East there have been very crude, 218 00:08:54,583 --> 00:08:57,417 airborne, improvised explosive devices, 219 00:08:57,417 --> 00:09:00,708 so you attach some sort of explosive 220 00:09:00,708 --> 00:09:03,958 to a balloon in hopes that it collides with the aircraft. 221 00:09:03,958 --> 00:09:06,542 The key piece of missing evidence here 222 00:09:06,542 --> 00:09:08,625 is we would want to know the wind direction 223 00:09:08,625 --> 00:09:09,833 and wind speed here. 224 00:09:09,833 --> 00:09:11,667 - [Tony] That info has been redacted. 225 00:09:11,667 --> 00:09:14,167 Otherwise we could determine whether wind is with 226 00:09:14,167 --> 00:09:15,875 or against this object 227 00:09:15,875 --> 00:09:18,708 and if it's against, then this can be no balloon. 228 00:09:18,708 --> 00:09:21,250 - I think that's what makes this interesting for me 229 00:09:21,250 --> 00:09:25,167 because the Pentagon has listed this as unidentified 230 00:09:25,167 --> 00:09:28,292 but they have access to that information, 231 00:09:28,292 --> 00:09:30,667 so they should have been able to better narrow down 232 00:09:30,667 --> 00:09:31,958 it being a balloon. 233 00:09:31,958 --> 00:09:33,542 - [Tony] Then could this really be 234 00:09:33,542 --> 00:09:35,708 some kind of alien probe? 235 00:09:35,708 --> 00:09:38,208 - Though this video is definitely intriguing, 236 00:09:38,208 --> 00:09:42,458 we also don't see any real extreme flight characteristics 237 00:09:42,458 --> 00:09:45,875 that require the existence of aliens 238 00:09:45,875 --> 00:09:49,500 or some type of advanced physics. 239 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:51,083 - [Tony] That means this UFO isn't displaying 240 00:09:51,083 --> 00:09:53,375 the hallmarks the US military has cataloged 241 00:09:53,375 --> 00:09:55,458 on other UFOs, 242 00:09:55,458 --> 00:09:57,958 including instantaneous acceleration, 243 00:09:57,958 --> 00:10:01,792 hypersonic velocities, cloaking, and transmedium travel, 244 00:10:01,792 --> 00:10:04,708 the ability to fly into and out of the water. 245 00:10:04,708 --> 00:10:06,917 Nor does it convince McMillan 246 00:10:06,917 --> 00:10:10,583 that UFOs are particularly interested in human conflict. 247 00:10:10,583 --> 00:10:12,042 - There are more pilots 248 00:10:12,042 --> 00:10:14,917 being perceptive of their surroundings in a war zone. 249 00:10:14,917 --> 00:10:16,333 So I think it gives us that idea 250 00:10:16,333 --> 00:10:20,792 that perhaps UFOs are interested in human conflict 251 00:10:20,792 --> 00:10:22,750 when in fact, what it is 252 00:10:22,750 --> 00:10:24,792 is we're paying more attention to the skies 253 00:10:24,792 --> 00:10:26,667 during human conflict. 254 00:10:26,667 --> 00:10:29,000 (tense music) 255 00:10:30,708 --> 00:10:34,292 - Our verdict, we're calling this a possible UFO. 256 00:10:34,292 --> 00:10:38,250 On one hand it has no wings or obvious propulsion, 257 00:10:38,250 --> 00:10:40,375 which is very UFO like. 258 00:10:40,375 --> 00:10:44,208 There is a chance it's a balloon pushed by a stiff wind. 259 00:10:44,208 --> 00:10:46,625 But you'd think AARO would know that by now. 260 00:10:46,625 --> 00:10:48,833 If we get more information, we'll let you know. 261 00:10:51,292 --> 00:10:52,833 But you'd think AARO would know that by noback, . 262 00:10:52,833 --> 00:10:54,875 We are going to continue our UFO special 263 00:10:54,875 --> 00:10:58,708 with input from one of the biggest names in ufology. 264 00:10:58,708 --> 00:11:02,250 In recent years, freelance filmmaker Jeremy Corbell 265 00:11:02,250 --> 00:11:03,667 has built a reputation 266 00:11:03,667 --> 00:11:06,167 for releasing sensational UFO videos 267 00:11:06,167 --> 00:11:09,208 allegedly leaked by members of the military. 268 00:11:09,208 --> 00:11:11,083 The videos have made headlines worldwide 269 00:11:11,083 --> 00:11:14,292 and tonight, we're gonna look at some of his latest 270 00:11:14,292 --> 00:11:16,000 and hear from the man himself. 271 00:11:18,542 --> 00:11:20,708 On the morning of April 16th, 2016, 272 00:11:20,708 --> 00:11:23,875 an American MC12 reconnaissance plane 273 00:11:23,875 --> 00:11:28,167 soars over Mosul, Iraq at the time under ISIS control. 274 00:11:28,167 --> 00:11:29,875 Its primary objective 275 00:11:29,875 --> 00:11:31,917 is to observe what's happening on the ground, 276 00:11:31,917 --> 00:11:36,458 but today it captures something highly unusual in the air. 277 00:11:36,458 --> 00:11:38,375 This frame pulled from the footage 278 00:11:38,375 --> 00:11:41,375 reveals a metallic looking ball flying over a city street. 279 00:11:41,375 --> 00:11:44,458 The object reportedly moves alongside the spy plane 280 00:11:44,458 --> 00:11:46,042 without dropping in altitude, 281 00:11:46,042 --> 00:11:49,750 traveling in a lateral direction from south to north. 282 00:11:49,750 --> 00:11:54,125 It would take seven years, but on January 24th, 2023, 283 00:11:54,125 --> 00:11:56,708 Jeremy and his co-host George Knapp 284 00:11:56,708 --> 00:11:58,542 obtained and released this shocking image 285 00:11:58,542 --> 00:12:01,333 to the American public for the first time 286 00:12:01,333 --> 00:12:03,417 on their podcast, "Weaponized". 287 00:12:03,417 --> 00:12:05,042 - The Mosul orb is the first time 288 00:12:05,042 --> 00:12:08,042 we have a verified, bonafide image 289 00:12:08,042 --> 00:12:11,875 filmed by our military over a conflict zone 290 00:12:11,875 --> 00:12:14,250 that shows a UAP. 291 00:12:14,250 --> 00:12:18,542 It raised a lot of interest within our intelligence agencies 292 00:12:18,542 --> 00:12:20,625 and Department of Defense 293 00:12:20,625 --> 00:12:22,333 because they could see that it was 294 00:12:22,333 --> 00:12:24,125 under intelligent control. 295 00:12:24,125 --> 00:12:27,625 - [Tony] A few months later on March 6th, 2023, 296 00:12:27,625 --> 00:12:29,708 Jeremy reveals six more intriguing images 297 00:12:29,708 --> 00:12:31,333 also shot in Iraq 298 00:12:31,333 --> 00:12:34,750 on a thermal camera set to display heat as white 299 00:12:34,750 --> 00:12:36,542 and cooler objects in black. 300 00:12:36,542 --> 00:12:38,792 - We labeled it the Baghdad Phantom. 301 00:12:38,792 --> 00:12:41,917 We have seen it described as cylindrical 302 00:12:41,917 --> 00:12:44,667 and under intelligent control and controlled flight 303 00:12:44,667 --> 00:12:47,375 with a stable lateral direction. 304 00:12:47,375 --> 00:12:52,167 And it's designated UAP by our Department of Defense. 305 00:12:52,167 --> 00:12:54,000 - [Tony] Again, is it possible that 306 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,875 some airborne power has an interest in our military? 307 00:12:56,875 --> 00:12:59,208 And if that's the case, is it alien or human? 308 00:12:59,208 --> 00:13:02,083 - Some people online are claiming that this is 309 00:13:02,083 --> 00:13:04,125 proof of non-human intelligences 310 00:13:04,125 --> 00:13:06,792 operating within Iraqi airspace. 311 00:13:06,792 --> 00:13:08,875 One other theory is that 312 00:13:08,875 --> 00:13:12,750 these objects are potentially some foreign adversary, 313 00:13:12,750 --> 00:13:14,333 such as China or Russia, 314 00:13:14,333 --> 00:13:16,875 that is operating some sort of vehicle 315 00:13:16,875 --> 00:13:20,000 or weapon system inside Iraq. 316 00:13:22,375 --> 00:13:25,667 - Jeremy says intelligently controlled UAPs 317 00:13:25,667 --> 00:13:28,125 are picked up by radar, seen by pilots, 318 00:13:28,125 --> 00:13:31,583 and engaged by our military on a daily basis. 319 00:13:31,583 --> 00:13:33,542 He argues that there's no reason 320 00:13:33,542 --> 00:13:36,875 this information should be kept from the American public 321 00:13:36,875 --> 00:13:39,583 and he believes the potential for misidentification 322 00:13:39,583 --> 00:13:43,250 in these incidents could have devastating consequences. 323 00:13:43,250 --> 00:13:47,542 So, let's turn to the experts to assess the threat level. 324 00:13:47,542 --> 00:13:49,792 (tense music) 325 00:13:51,708 --> 00:13:53,708 First off, aviation expert Tim McMillan 326 00:13:53,708 --> 00:13:55,667 examines the image of the sphere 327 00:13:55,667 --> 00:13:58,083 taken by a spy plane over Mosul. 328 00:13:58,083 --> 00:13:59,375 - You can actually see 329 00:13:59,375 --> 00:14:01,792 this object has three dimensional shape, 330 00:14:01,792 --> 00:14:03,708 so this appears to be airborne. 331 00:14:03,708 --> 00:14:06,375 I don't see any obvious signs of propulsion. 332 00:14:06,375 --> 00:14:09,042 We don't see rotors, we don't see wings, 333 00:14:09,042 --> 00:14:12,250 and so it really limits us to a balloon 334 00:14:12,250 --> 00:14:14,375 is the only thing, given that size and shape, 335 00:14:14,375 --> 00:14:16,083 that it could possibly be. 336 00:14:17,083 --> 00:14:19,042 - Astronomer and video effects designer Marc D'Antonio 337 00:14:19,042 --> 00:14:23,417 thinks he knows exactly what kind of balloon it is. 338 00:14:23,417 --> 00:14:25,875 - One of the earthly possibilities for this 339 00:14:25,875 --> 00:14:28,833 is that we're looking at a weather balloon 340 00:14:28,833 --> 00:14:31,625 that's got a payload that we can't see. 341 00:14:31,625 --> 00:14:32,792 - [Tony] But according to records, 342 00:14:32,792 --> 00:14:34,042 aerial winds at the time 343 00:14:34,042 --> 00:14:37,167 would've been pushing against this object. 344 00:14:37,167 --> 00:14:39,083 Plus, McMillan sees evidence presented in the video 345 00:14:39,083 --> 00:14:42,292 that bursts D'Antonio's weather balloon theory 346 00:14:42,292 --> 00:14:44,375 once and for all. 347 00:14:44,375 --> 00:14:47,125 - Because of the information that's displayed, 348 00:14:47,125 --> 00:14:49,042 we know at what altitude 349 00:14:49,042 --> 00:14:53,333 the actual drone that's filming this is at, 26,000 feet 350 00:14:53,333 --> 00:14:55,458 and that would be substantially lower 351 00:14:55,458 --> 00:14:58,083 than most weather balloons are gonna be flying. 352 00:14:58,083 --> 00:15:00,583 - [Tony] Weather balloons typically reach altitudes 353 00:15:00,583 --> 00:15:04,167 between 60,000 and 105,000 feet. 354 00:15:04,167 --> 00:15:06,708 And what about the Baghdad Phantom? 355 00:15:06,708 --> 00:15:10,500 Could this cylindrical UFO be a plane or even a drone? 356 00:15:10,500 --> 00:15:13,500 - I don't see any parts that automatically suggest 357 00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:15,833 that it is a drone, 358 00:15:15,833 --> 00:15:18,833 so I don't see any wings or control surfaces. 359 00:15:18,833 --> 00:15:21,500 So it's certainly not a drone or aircraft. 360 00:15:21,500 --> 00:15:22,708 - [Tony] McMillan thinks 361 00:15:22,708 --> 00:15:24,417 he may be zeroing in on the target, 362 00:15:24,417 --> 00:15:27,542 but just when he thinks he's getting hotter, things go cold. 363 00:15:27,542 --> 00:15:29,375 - My first impression is that 364 00:15:29,375 --> 00:15:33,292 we're looking at, likely, a surface to surface missile. 365 00:15:33,292 --> 00:15:35,250 This particular video was filmed in Iraq 366 00:15:35,250 --> 00:15:40,042 and so there's a lot of rocket attacks. 367 00:15:40,042 --> 00:15:45,083 However, the fact that the object is black, 368 00:15:45,083 --> 00:15:47,667 meaning it's cooler than the ambient air around it, 369 00:15:47,667 --> 00:15:51,542 is inconsistent with anything that I've ever seen 370 00:15:51,542 --> 00:15:55,250 when filming missiles with an IR system like this. 371 00:15:55,250 --> 00:15:56,708 - [Tony] But D'Antonio thinks 372 00:15:56,708 --> 00:15:58,500 he may have an answer to how a missile could display 373 00:15:58,500 --> 00:16:01,958 such a surprisingly cold heat signature. 374 00:16:01,958 --> 00:16:04,500 - If this is really black as cold, 375 00:16:04,500 --> 00:16:07,375 the temperature difference doesn't have to be a whole lot 376 00:16:07,375 --> 00:16:09,292 and if this is flying over Iraq, 377 00:16:09,292 --> 00:16:12,417 it's possible that the ground is 130 degrees 378 00:16:12,417 --> 00:16:17,333 and this object here, it's possible it could be 90 degrees 379 00:16:17,333 --> 00:16:20,125 and look as different as that. 380 00:16:20,125 --> 00:16:21,375 - [Tony] So what about the notion 381 00:16:21,375 --> 00:16:23,417 that we're dealing with genuine UFOs 382 00:16:23,417 --> 00:16:25,667 in both the case of the Mosul Orb 383 00:16:25,667 --> 00:16:27,833 and the Baghdad Phantom? 384 00:16:27,833 --> 00:16:29,333 D'Antonio doesn't see it. 385 00:16:29,333 --> 00:16:31,542 - The fact that we know of other objects that are human made 386 00:16:31,542 --> 00:16:34,208 that look like this, it's a stretch to say 387 00:16:34,208 --> 00:16:36,417 that they're unidentified flying objects. 388 00:16:36,417 --> 00:16:39,000 They're probably human made objects, 389 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,375 possibly a weather balloon 390 00:16:41,375 --> 00:16:44,875 and very likely a missile in this case. 391 00:16:44,875 --> 00:16:47,333 - [Tony] McMillan respectfully disagrees. 392 00:16:47,333 --> 00:16:50,167 - The objects in both images are unknown. 393 00:16:50,167 --> 00:16:54,542 I cannot give you a concrete explanation for what they are, 394 00:16:54,542 --> 00:16:57,000 but potentially with more information, 395 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,042 we could arrive at a more firm conclusion. 396 00:17:00,042 --> 00:17:02,333 (tense music) 397 00:17:03,792 --> 00:17:06,208 - Our verdict? Split decision. 398 00:17:06,208 --> 00:17:09,292 We're calling the Mosul Orb a genuine UFO. 399 00:17:09,292 --> 00:17:12,292 It's flying too low to be a weather balloon. 400 00:17:12,292 --> 00:17:15,042 We're going with D'Antonio on the Baghdad Phantom. 401 00:17:15,042 --> 00:17:17,333 It's most likely a missile. 402 00:17:17,333 --> 00:17:18,583 Still, we can't say for sure, 403 00:17:18,583 --> 00:17:20,875 since Jeremy claims the government refuses 404 00:17:20,875 --> 00:17:23,042 to release the complete video 405 00:17:23,042 --> 00:17:27,292 that these images were taken from. 406 00:17:27,292 --> 00:17:30,375 to release the completFO invesn 407 00:17:30,375 --> 00:17:33,667 with another video released by the Pentagon 408 00:17:33,667 --> 00:17:35,375 that instantly made headlines. 409 00:17:35,375 --> 00:17:37,375 So far, we've been focusing on UAPs 410 00:17:37,375 --> 00:17:40,625 captured by our military in the Middle East, but of course, 411 00:17:40,625 --> 00:17:43,958 the US has airborne assets all over the globe 412 00:17:43,958 --> 00:17:47,917 and believers say this next remarkable piece of footage 413 00:17:47,917 --> 00:17:50,625 is proof that aliens do too. 414 00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:53,375 January 15th, 2023, 415 00:17:53,375 --> 00:17:56,292 an undisclosed location in South Asia. 416 00:17:56,292 --> 00:17:59,625 A remotely piloted Air Force MQ9 drone 417 00:17:59,625 --> 00:18:03,333 closely monitors another MQ9 in the skies 418 00:18:03,333 --> 00:18:04,833 via infrared cameras. 419 00:18:04,833 --> 00:18:08,125 It seems like a routine reconnaissance mission until... 420 00:18:11,208 --> 00:18:13,042 Four seconds into the clip, 421 00:18:13,042 --> 00:18:16,250 an oblong object flies past the other MQ9 422 00:18:16,250 --> 00:18:18,208 in an apparent near miss. 423 00:18:19,125 --> 00:18:21,375 And take a closer look at this. 424 00:18:21,375 --> 00:18:24,417 The UFO seems to leave an atmospheric wake 425 00:18:24,417 --> 00:18:28,625 as its zips across the sensors field of view 426 00:18:28,625 --> 00:18:30,000 right through here. 427 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,167 Now that could be fuel exhaust 428 00:18:32,167 --> 00:18:34,750 or perhaps even a disturbance in the air pressure. 429 00:18:34,750 --> 00:18:36,375 One thing's for sure, 430 00:18:36,375 --> 00:18:38,667 it doesn't look anything like this drone. 431 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,333 Writer Amy Teitel says 432 00:18:41,333 --> 00:18:43,208 that despite the video's public release, 433 00:18:43,208 --> 00:18:45,708 much still remains unknown. 434 00:18:45,708 --> 00:18:47,375 - This video came out 435 00:18:47,375 --> 00:18:51,000 as part of a congressional hearing in April of 2023. 436 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,500 So we know that it is a real video. 437 00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:55,833 We don't know any other details though. 438 00:18:55,833 --> 00:18:59,167 - [Tony] What we do know is like the Middle East UFO video, 439 00:18:59,167 --> 00:19:00,625 this footage also earned a place 440 00:19:00,625 --> 00:19:02,333 in Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick's presentation 441 00:19:02,333 --> 00:19:04,792 to the Senate's Armed Services Committee. 442 00:19:04,792 --> 00:19:07,375 - This one everyone thought was truly anomalous, 443 00:19:07,375 --> 00:19:10,542 but this is the kind of data that we have to work with 444 00:19:10,542 --> 00:19:13,250 and the type of analysis that we have to do, 445 00:19:13,250 --> 00:19:14,708 which can be quite extensive 446 00:19:14,708 --> 00:19:18,042 when you have to pull these apart frame by frame. 447 00:19:18,042 --> 00:19:19,542 - [Tony] Dr. Kirkpatrick told Congress 448 00:19:19,542 --> 00:19:23,667 that out of the 650 UAP reports under AARO review, 449 00:19:23,667 --> 00:19:26,750 this one caught their attention because of its odd shape. 450 00:19:26,750 --> 00:19:28,417 - [Amy] It doesn't have obvious wings, 451 00:19:28,417 --> 00:19:29,625 it doesn't have a tail, 452 00:19:29,625 --> 00:19:31,625 it doesn't have an obvious propulsion source. 453 00:19:31,625 --> 00:19:34,542 - [Tony] In other words, it has the makings of a UFO. 454 00:19:36,583 --> 00:19:38,167 According to AARO, 455 00:19:38,167 --> 00:19:41,083 most of the UAP incidents reported to them 456 00:19:41,083 --> 00:19:45,000 occurred between 15 to 25,000 feet in altitude, 457 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,417 which is controlled military airspace. 458 00:19:47,417 --> 00:19:49,208 AARO subscribes to the theory 459 00:19:49,208 --> 00:19:51,542 that unresolved sightings are more likely 460 00:19:51,542 --> 00:19:53,458 the work of US adversaries, 461 00:19:53,458 --> 00:19:55,750 not extraterrestrial intelligence. 462 00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:58,125 Will our experts reach the same conclusion 463 00:19:58,125 --> 00:19:59,958 with this footage? 464 00:19:59,958 --> 00:20:02,250 (tense music) 465 00:20:04,292 --> 00:20:07,292 Could this be an object sent by a foreign power? 466 00:20:07,292 --> 00:20:10,042 The lack of information has Tim McMillan unsure. 467 00:20:10,042 --> 00:20:13,417 - Some key pieces of information that would be contained normally 468 00:20:13,417 --> 00:20:16,833 on the heads up display of the drone, 469 00:20:16,833 --> 00:20:19,458 critically, the date, the time, 470 00:20:19,458 --> 00:20:21,333 and location would help us narrow down 471 00:20:21,333 --> 00:20:23,208 exactly where this is. 472 00:20:23,208 --> 00:20:25,125 - [Tony] But that very lack of information 473 00:20:25,125 --> 00:20:26,167 might tell us something 474 00:20:26,167 --> 00:20:27,833 about the nature of this mission. 475 00:20:27,833 --> 00:20:31,375 - Could this be related to a classified mission? 476 00:20:31,375 --> 00:20:32,917 In this case, probably not. 477 00:20:32,917 --> 00:20:36,125 And the reason I say that is that this long endurance drone 478 00:20:36,125 --> 00:20:39,542 typically will fly just by itself. 479 00:20:39,542 --> 00:20:41,125 It doesn't need a support drone. 480 00:20:41,125 --> 00:20:42,667 - [Tony] To McMillan, 481 00:20:42,667 --> 00:20:44,667 the fact that there are two drones operating here, 482 00:20:44,667 --> 00:20:46,917 one in the footage, the other doing the recording, 483 00:20:46,917 --> 00:20:49,375 means this is probably just a training mission. 484 00:20:49,375 --> 00:20:51,250 So we turned to Rich Hoffman 485 00:20:51,250 --> 00:20:54,292 of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies to ask 486 00:20:54,292 --> 00:20:57,000 could this simply be a passing plane? 487 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,458 - I looked at it frame by frame 488 00:20:58,458 --> 00:21:02,833 and you see what looks like an aircraft tail and wings 489 00:21:02,833 --> 00:21:05,583 and the fact that it's flying consistently 490 00:21:05,583 --> 00:21:07,583 in the same direction, that it went by rather quick, 491 00:21:07,583 --> 00:21:10,042 it has the appearance of an airplane. 492 00:21:10,042 --> 00:21:11,708 - [Tony] But McMillan isn't so sure. 493 00:21:11,708 --> 00:21:14,375 - You wanna look for signs of a propulsion system, 494 00:21:14,375 --> 00:21:16,792 so exhaust from a jet engine, that type of thing. 495 00:21:16,792 --> 00:21:19,583 We don't necessarily see that with this, 496 00:21:19,583 --> 00:21:23,042 although we, we can see this interesting trail. 497 00:21:23,042 --> 00:21:24,708 However, that is actually an artifact 498 00:21:24,708 --> 00:21:28,208 of the multi aperture camera system. 499 00:21:28,208 --> 00:21:29,958 So you're talking about camera systems 500 00:21:29,958 --> 00:21:32,875 that have hundreds of lenses 501 00:21:32,875 --> 00:21:35,583 with hundreds of independent sensor systems 502 00:21:35,583 --> 00:21:38,417 that form one fluid picture here, 503 00:21:38,417 --> 00:21:40,375 but that can create ghosting 504 00:21:40,375 --> 00:21:42,375 that appears like a trail behind it 505 00:21:42,375 --> 00:21:44,583 when in actuality, what we're seeing 506 00:21:44,583 --> 00:21:47,375 is the overlaying of all of the different images 507 00:21:47,375 --> 00:21:50,208 from those hundreds of different camera lenses. 508 00:21:50,208 --> 00:21:52,542 - [Tony] Then could this be another drone? 509 00:21:52,542 --> 00:21:54,667 - If it's similar to an aircraft design, 510 00:21:54,667 --> 00:21:57,542 much like the MQ9 Reaper, it could be that as well. 511 00:21:57,542 --> 00:21:59,042 - Certainly, it could be. 512 00:21:59,042 --> 00:22:00,708 It could be a lot of things. 513 00:22:00,708 --> 00:22:03,458 There's just not enough information there. 514 00:22:03,458 --> 00:22:05,875 - [Tony] Well, then we have to ask, 515 00:22:05,875 --> 00:22:07,500 could it be a UFO? 516 00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:09,500 - You're trying to deduce what you can 517 00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:11,458 from just a short little clip, 518 00:22:11,458 --> 00:22:14,542 but it flew in a straight line, consistent speed. 519 00:22:14,542 --> 00:22:17,125 The last hypothesis I would've ever gone with 520 00:22:17,125 --> 00:22:18,875 would've been extraterrestrial craft. 521 00:22:18,875 --> 00:22:21,000 The first and the most predominant hypothesis 522 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,542 are that it's an aircraft that you can't make out. 523 00:22:24,542 --> 00:22:26,583 - McMillan says that the Pentagon, 524 00:22:26,583 --> 00:22:28,708 with that redacted information at its disposal, 525 00:22:28,708 --> 00:22:31,625 came to a conclusion consistent with Hoffman's. 526 00:22:31,625 --> 00:22:33,083 - The Pentagon was provided with 527 00:22:33,083 --> 00:22:35,958 the date and time and location and all of that, 528 00:22:35,958 --> 00:22:38,708 and they were able to determine, 529 00:22:38,708 --> 00:22:40,417 without a doubt that what we're seeing here 530 00:22:40,417 --> 00:22:44,500 is actually the rear end of a commercial plane 531 00:22:44,500 --> 00:22:48,875 that is actually flying away from the two drones. 532 00:22:48,875 --> 00:22:52,375 And so, the movement that we see is actually the movement 533 00:22:52,375 --> 00:22:54,958 that's being caused by the drone itself in flight. 534 00:22:54,958 --> 00:22:57,000 (tense music) 535 00:22:58,792 --> 00:23:02,125 - We have to agree with the experts at AARO for this one. 536 00:23:02,125 --> 00:23:04,625 Our verdict is a plane. 537 00:23:04,625 --> 00:23:06,833 While many UFO believers express 538 00:23:06,833 --> 00:23:09,625 disappointment that AARO seemed to downplay 539 00:23:09,625 --> 00:23:12,458 truly anomalous phenomena during the hearing, 540 00:23:12,458 --> 00:23:14,458 other groups applauded this 541 00:23:14,458 --> 00:23:19,958 public release of factual UAP data. 542 00:23:19,958 --> 00:23:23,042 Files. 543 00:23:23,042 --> 00:23:25,583 So far, we've been looking at UFO footage 544 00:23:25,583 --> 00:23:28,167 captured by US forces in foreign countries, 545 00:23:28,167 --> 00:23:32,708 but of course, there are plenty of homegrown sightings too. 546 00:23:32,708 --> 00:23:35,208 One UFO researcher has a series of clips 547 00:23:35,208 --> 00:23:39,917 that indicate a pattern of UFOs near the US Mexico border. 548 00:23:39,917 --> 00:23:43,292 We've investigated one before and now there's yet another. 549 00:23:43,292 --> 00:23:45,000 Take a look. 550 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,042 February 3rd, 2020, south of Tucson, Arizona 551 00:23:49,042 --> 00:23:51,500 at approximately 2100 hours, 552 00:23:51,500 --> 00:23:55,583 a border patrol fleer camera scans a residential area. 553 00:23:55,583 --> 00:23:58,625 Houses and cacti populate the frame. 554 00:23:58,625 --> 00:24:02,417 When suddenly a strange white object appears. 555 00:24:03,292 --> 00:24:04,708 It glides across the screen 556 00:24:04,708 --> 00:24:07,125 with an almost humanoid silhouette 557 00:24:07,125 --> 00:24:10,542 passing over a long stretch of desert and even some cattle. 558 00:24:10,542 --> 00:24:12,708 It maintains both a consistent elevation 559 00:24:12,708 --> 00:24:15,042 and that bright white color. 560 00:24:15,042 --> 00:24:17,375 The video is one of several shot by US authorities 561 00:24:17,375 --> 00:24:20,708 and leaked to UFO Investigator Andy Marshal. 562 00:24:20,708 --> 00:24:22,542 - The footage was leaked to me by 563 00:24:22,542 --> 00:24:25,208 Department of Homeland Security agent. 564 00:24:25,208 --> 00:24:27,833 He wished to remain anonymous. 565 00:24:27,833 --> 00:24:32,042 He knew what was captured in these videos were anomalous 566 00:24:32,042 --> 00:24:34,708 and that he had to get the videos out somehow 567 00:24:34,708 --> 00:24:36,958 to show the world that these things are real. 568 00:24:36,958 --> 00:24:40,833 - Andy dubs the video La Bruja, Spanish for "the witch", 569 00:24:40,833 --> 00:24:44,792 because it looks like a witch sitting upright on a broomstick. 570 00:24:44,792 --> 00:24:47,375 Longtime FLIR technician David Falch 571 00:24:47,375 --> 00:24:49,125 says that to understand the thermal footage, 572 00:24:49,125 --> 00:24:51,708 you first need to know that in this case, 573 00:24:51,708 --> 00:24:55,833 the camera is set to display white as cold and black as hot. 574 00:24:55,833 --> 00:24:57,750 - What you're seeing is a white object 575 00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:59,875 and a black hot scene. 576 00:24:59,875 --> 00:25:03,875 So, this being white means it's ice cold. 577 00:25:03,875 --> 00:25:05,875 You don't see anything like that in the sky. 578 00:25:05,875 --> 00:25:08,042 You see birds, you see aircraft, 579 00:25:08,042 --> 00:25:11,250 everything is putting on a warm thermal signature. 580 00:25:11,250 --> 00:25:12,792 There's nothing out there in the sky 581 00:25:12,792 --> 00:25:14,708 that's got a cold thermal signature. 582 00:25:14,708 --> 00:25:16,917 - Nothing that we know of, 583 00:25:16,917 --> 00:25:19,500 but Andy can think of a similar unknown object 584 00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:21,375 spotted around Tucson, 585 00:25:21,375 --> 00:25:23,875 which came to be known as the rubber duck. 586 00:25:23,875 --> 00:25:28,000 - The rubber duck incident took place November 23rd, 2019 587 00:25:29,083 --> 00:25:33,042 and it was shot from a reconnaissance plane 588 00:25:33,042 --> 00:25:34,375 and as they were overlooking the landscape, 589 00:25:34,375 --> 00:25:36,708 an object came into view 590 00:25:37,833 --> 00:25:40,708 and they recorded it for up to 40 minutes. 591 00:25:40,708 --> 00:25:43,667 That object that was captured in that footage 592 00:25:43,667 --> 00:25:46,292 is almost identical to the one captured in La Bruja, 593 00:25:46,292 --> 00:25:48,625 the shape, the fact that it was emitting zero heat. 594 00:25:48,625 --> 00:25:50,500 - [Tony] In 2021, 595 00:25:50,500 --> 00:25:52,583 Andy helped leak the rubber duck footage, 596 00:25:52,583 --> 00:25:54,875 so called because it looks like a rubber duck. 597 00:25:54,875 --> 00:25:57,250 Here on Proof, we declared it a genuine UFO 598 00:25:57,250 --> 00:25:58,667 and a recent paper 599 00:25:58,667 --> 00:26:00,542 from the Scientific Coalition of UAP studies, 600 00:26:00,542 --> 00:26:02,958 or SCU, concurred. 601 00:26:02,958 --> 00:26:04,708 Falch, who contributed to the paper, 602 00:26:04,708 --> 00:26:06,875 can attest to the in-depth analysis 603 00:26:06,875 --> 00:26:08,667 which led to that conclusion. 604 00:26:08,667 --> 00:26:10,167 - The paper investigated 605 00:26:10,167 --> 00:26:13,042 the characteristics of the rubber duck, 606 00:26:13,042 --> 00:26:15,292 what the approximate temperature was, 607 00:26:15,292 --> 00:26:20,167 the speed of the aircraft, the trajectory, the fight path. 608 00:26:20,167 --> 00:26:22,250 - [Tony] The paper found the rubber duck anomalous 609 00:26:22,250 --> 00:26:23,875 in three respects. 610 00:26:23,875 --> 00:26:25,458 It's white cold temperature, 611 00:26:25,458 --> 00:26:28,167 it's odd shape, and its speed, 612 00:26:28,167 --> 00:26:29,250 especially that it flew 613 00:26:29,250 --> 00:26:30,792 against the wind, 614 00:26:30,792 --> 00:26:31,792 meaning it could not 615 00:26:31,792 --> 00:26:33,208 have been a balloon. 616 00:26:33,208 --> 00:26:35,042 - All these things combined 617 00:26:35,042 --> 00:26:37,375 to come up to this big conclusion of, 618 00:26:37,375 --> 00:26:39,583 they didn't know what it was either. 619 00:26:39,583 --> 00:26:40,667 - [Tony] So, is La Bruja 620 00:26:40,667 --> 00:26:42,958 related to the famed rubber duck? 621 00:26:42,958 --> 00:26:46,750 - They're both ice cold, not having any signs of propulsion, 622 00:26:46,750 --> 00:26:48,708 not changing thermal signature, 623 00:26:48,708 --> 00:26:51,667 looking like they're on a linear travel. 624 00:26:51,667 --> 00:26:53,167 It doesn't make any sense. 625 00:26:57,292 --> 00:27:00,583 - Now because we're talking about the US Mexico border, 626 00:27:00,583 --> 00:27:03,000 we have to consider whether both these objects 627 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,667 were aerial devices used to smuggle drugs. 628 00:27:06,667 --> 00:27:10,250 After all, border patrol agents recently saw 21 cases 629 00:27:10,250 --> 00:27:14,375 of drone infiltration along the San Diego Mexico border 630 00:27:14,375 --> 00:27:16,667 in a 13 month period. 631 00:27:16,667 --> 00:27:19,458 But that's just one possible explanation. 632 00:27:19,458 --> 00:27:21,292 Let's see what our experts say. 633 00:27:21,292 --> 00:27:23,333 (tense music) 634 00:27:24,667 --> 00:27:27,042 We first ask SCU President Rich Hoffman 635 00:27:27,042 --> 00:27:30,125 if there is any way this could be a bird. 636 00:27:30,125 --> 00:27:31,583 - Even in infrared, 637 00:27:31,583 --> 00:27:33,750 you can make out a lot of details 638 00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:35,250 that are pretty remarkable. 639 00:27:35,250 --> 00:27:37,875 You'd be able to tell that it was a bird or not a bird. 640 00:27:37,875 --> 00:27:40,083 There's no flapping and birds aren't cold like this. 641 00:27:40,083 --> 00:27:42,708 In thermal, a bird will appear dark. 642 00:27:42,708 --> 00:27:45,000 - [Tony] And as we did with the rubber duck footage, 643 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,042 we have to consider if this could just be a balloon. 644 00:27:48,042 --> 00:27:51,500 In this case, the wind actually supports the theory. 645 00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:54,875 Falch estimates that the FLIR camera is pointed southwest, 646 00:27:54,875 --> 00:27:57,167 meaning La Bruja is headed southeast 647 00:27:57,167 --> 00:28:00,000 and the weather data in Tucson at the time of the sighting 648 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,750 shows a light breeze from the west northwest. 649 00:28:02,750 --> 00:28:05,917 But Hoffman says it doesn't look quite right. 650 00:28:06,875 --> 00:28:08,542 - Some party balloons, for example, 651 00:28:08,542 --> 00:28:10,708 like latex, will be see-through. 652 00:28:10,708 --> 00:28:15,750 A mylar balloon will reflect the heat from the ground 653 00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:18,250 and so, it wouldn't be completely white like this. 654 00:28:18,250 --> 00:28:19,583 - [Tony] So could this be 655 00:28:19,583 --> 00:28:21,542 some type of conventional aircraft? 656 00:28:21,542 --> 00:28:22,875 Falch doesn't think so. 657 00:28:22,875 --> 00:28:25,125 - A helicopter or plane is out of the question 658 00:28:25,125 --> 00:28:29,875 because this FLIR is just looking around, 659 00:28:29,875 --> 00:28:31,375 kind of almost at a ground level. 660 00:28:31,375 --> 00:28:33,250 So if it was an aircraft, 661 00:28:33,250 --> 00:28:37,125 it would have to be extremely small in size 662 00:28:37,125 --> 00:28:38,583 and it's not emitting any type of heat, 663 00:28:38,583 --> 00:28:40,625 so it's obviously easy to rule out 664 00:28:40,625 --> 00:28:42,500 that it's no type of aircraft. 665 00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:46,083 - If it has to be low flying, then could it be a drone? 666 00:28:46,083 --> 00:28:48,875 - You would see stop go movements 667 00:28:48,875 --> 00:28:51,583 that would kind of sway the object, 668 00:28:51,583 --> 00:28:53,417 you don't see that in La Bruja. 669 00:28:53,417 --> 00:28:58,583 And how the signature looks compared to a drone, 670 00:28:58,583 --> 00:29:00,250 you would see a difference from the heat 671 00:29:00,250 --> 00:29:04,583 in the thermal signature generated from the engines. 672 00:29:04,583 --> 00:29:06,875 - [Tony] So is this really a UFO? 673 00:29:06,875 --> 00:29:09,625 - Bottom line is, you've got an unusual shape here 674 00:29:09,625 --> 00:29:13,333 and I haven't been able to put this to anything rational. 675 00:29:13,333 --> 00:29:14,750 It just doesn't match up. 676 00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:16,208 So it's unknown to me. 677 00:29:16,208 --> 00:29:19,667 I can't begin to classify it at all. 678 00:29:19,667 --> 00:29:22,000 (tense music) 679 00:29:23,292 --> 00:29:25,917 - Our verdict, like the SCU's conclusion 680 00:29:25,917 --> 00:29:27,250 with the rubber duck, 681 00:29:27,250 --> 00:29:31,500 we also think La Bruja is a genuine UFO. 682 00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:34,750 If you're interested in reading the SCU's full analysis 683 00:29:34,750 --> 00:29:36,917 of the rubber duck incident, 684 00:29:36,917 --> 00:29:38,708 feel free to visit the organization's website, 685 00:29:38,708 --> 00:29:41,500 at explorescu.org. 686 00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:43,208 No words yet on whether La Bruja 687 00:29:43,208 --> 00:29:47,917 will be given the same treatment. 688 00:29:47,917 --> 00:29:48,417 No words yet on whetherc music)a 689 00:29:49,125 --> 00:29:52,500 - What's the best UFO photograph ever taken? 690 00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:55,042 That's depends on whom you ask. 691 00:29:55,042 --> 00:29:57,000 But we're about to show you one of the leading candidates 692 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,750 and this one was kept hidden for more than 30 years. 693 00:30:00,750 --> 00:30:03,042 August 4th, 1990, 694 00:30:03,042 --> 00:30:05,708 two hotel employees are on a walk 695 00:30:05,708 --> 00:30:08,125 in the Scottish Highlands near Calvine. 696 00:30:08,125 --> 00:30:11,500 Mid hike, they allegedly noticed something in the sky. 697 00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:15,208 Overhead, the men see a massive, diamond shaped UFO 698 00:30:15,208 --> 00:30:17,083 accompanied by a military plane. 699 00:30:17,083 --> 00:30:19,292 One of them snaps a photo. 700 00:30:19,292 --> 00:30:22,000 The object is clear, it has four sides 701 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,458 and a horizontal division 702 00:30:23,458 --> 00:30:26,167 between an illuminated top and a shadowed bottom, 703 00:30:26,167 --> 00:30:28,792 like a three-dimensional object illuminated by the sun. 704 00:30:28,792 --> 00:30:30,250 After about 10 minutes, 705 00:30:30,250 --> 00:30:33,417 the diamond allegedly shoots straight up into the sky. 706 00:30:33,417 --> 00:30:34,750 Writer Amy Teitel says 707 00:30:34,750 --> 00:30:37,875 little is known about this diamond shaped UFO. 708 00:30:37,875 --> 00:30:40,875 - The Clavine photo is a very classic UFO image. 709 00:30:40,875 --> 00:30:43,250 It doesn't give us a lot of details, 710 00:30:43,250 --> 00:30:45,500 we can't tell from the image how fast it's going, 711 00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:46,792 what it's doing. 712 00:30:46,792 --> 00:30:48,958 - [Tony] And it's not just unidentified, 713 00:30:48,958 --> 00:30:51,750 it's state certified unidentified. 714 00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:54,125 Nick Pope, a former UFO investigator 715 00:30:54,125 --> 00:30:55,792 for Britain's Ministry of Defense. 716 00:30:55,792 --> 00:30:58,792 says the MOD thought the photo genuine. 717 00:30:58,792 --> 00:31:01,042 However, despite widespread speculation 718 00:31:01,042 --> 00:31:03,708 that the object's origins are extraterrestrial, 719 00:31:03,708 --> 00:31:05,250 Teitel notes that the Calvine UFO 720 00:31:05,250 --> 00:31:07,750 might not be interstellar at all. 721 00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:09,250 - It's possible that the Calvine photograph 722 00:31:09,250 --> 00:31:11,875 is actually secret military equipment. 723 00:31:11,875 --> 00:31:14,542 - [Tony] In fact, rumors at the time of this sighting 724 00:31:14,542 --> 00:31:15,875 support that theory. 725 00:31:15,875 --> 00:31:17,917 - There have been rumors of the US Air Force 726 00:31:17,917 --> 00:31:20,625 testing of reconnaissance aircraft called Aurora 727 00:31:20,625 --> 00:31:21,917 in Scotland. 728 00:31:21,917 --> 00:31:23,875 - [Tony] The rumor top secret aircraft 729 00:31:23,875 --> 00:31:26,750 was purportedly 110 feet long, 60 feet wide 730 00:31:26,750 --> 00:31:29,792 and capable of speeds up to Mach 8. 731 00:31:29,792 --> 00:31:31,458 - There were sightings of this aircraft 732 00:31:31,458 --> 00:31:33,292 said to be a black triangular vehicle 733 00:31:33,292 --> 00:31:36,542 in the late 1980s and early 1990s. 734 00:31:36,542 --> 00:31:40,083 - [Tony] So, was the Calvin incident one of those sightings? 735 00:31:41,875 --> 00:31:44,542 If you believe Nick Pope, even the UK's 736 00:31:44,542 --> 00:31:47,875 Ministry of Defense considered the possibility 737 00:31:47,875 --> 00:31:49,500 that the Calvine UFO 738 00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:52,333 might have been the rumored Aurora aircraft. 739 00:31:52,333 --> 00:31:55,375 However, the MOD itself remains mum 740 00:31:55,375 --> 00:31:57,625 of what it thinks the photo depicts. 741 00:31:57,625 --> 00:31:59,000 So what is it? 742 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,833 Time to ask our experts. 743 00:32:00,833 --> 00:32:03,125 (tense music) 744 00:32:04,542 --> 00:32:07,375 First, is this photo even real? 745 00:32:07,375 --> 00:32:10,375 Forensic video analyst Michael Primeau says it's hard to say 746 00:32:10,375 --> 00:32:13,000 because the negatives have been lost. 747 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,042 It's only because of journalist David Clark 748 00:32:15,042 --> 00:32:18,042 that this print recently came to light. 749 00:32:18,042 --> 00:32:20,083 - Dr. Clark actually tracked it down 750 00:32:20,083 --> 00:32:25,083 by finding a former RAF press officer named Craig Lindsay, 751 00:32:25,083 --> 00:32:27,083 who had an original copy of it still preserved. 752 00:32:27,083 --> 00:32:29,042 - [Tony] Unfortunately, a copy 753 00:32:29,042 --> 00:32:31,917 doesn't make a strong case for authentication. 754 00:32:31,917 --> 00:32:33,458 - We don't have the original evidence. 755 00:32:33,458 --> 00:32:35,000 We have a version that was printed 756 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,167 and then surfaced several years after. 757 00:32:38,167 --> 00:32:39,708 But the photo definitely looks real. 758 00:32:39,708 --> 00:32:43,417 No abnormalities in the physical aspects of the scene. 759 00:32:43,417 --> 00:32:46,083 - [Tony] So we ask our skeptical science writer, Mick West, 760 00:32:46,083 --> 00:32:49,125 could this be the rumored Aurora aircraft? 761 00:32:49,125 --> 00:32:51,625 - No actual Aurora craft has ever emerged. 762 00:32:51,625 --> 00:32:54,333 And even the artist renderings of the Aurora craft, 763 00:32:54,333 --> 00:32:56,292 they don't really look like this. 764 00:32:56,292 --> 00:32:58,375 This doesn't look like an aerodynamic craft. 765 00:32:58,375 --> 00:33:00,708 There's no real visible exhaust. 766 00:33:00,708 --> 00:33:02,667 There's no control surfaces. 767 00:33:02,667 --> 00:33:05,583 It just looks like a weird diamond shaped thing. 768 00:33:05,583 --> 00:33:07,542 - [Tony] If it doesn't look aerodynamic, 769 00:33:07,542 --> 00:33:10,542 is there a chance it's not even in the air? 770 00:33:10,542 --> 00:33:12,875 Astrophotographer Andrew McCarthy thinks so. 771 00:33:12,875 --> 00:33:16,333 - The key piece of evidence is the fence. 772 00:33:16,333 --> 00:33:18,083 Fence posts, if installed vertically, 773 00:33:18,083 --> 00:33:20,750 actually give us a vanishing point. 774 00:33:20,750 --> 00:33:23,667 Now, if they were looking up as they claim to have been 775 00:33:23,667 --> 00:33:25,458 when they took that photo, the fence posts 776 00:33:25,458 --> 00:33:27,875 would've converged in an upwards direction, 777 00:33:27,875 --> 00:33:29,250 not a downwards direction. 778 00:33:29,250 --> 00:33:30,917 And if it was pointed down, 779 00:33:30,917 --> 00:33:34,042 then we are not looking up into the sky at all. 780 00:33:34,042 --> 00:33:35,458 - [Tony] So what are we looking at? 781 00:33:35,458 --> 00:33:37,458 - I think we're looking at an object 782 00:33:37,458 --> 00:33:39,208 that's reflecting in a body of water. 783 00:33:39,208 --> 00:33:41,500 - [Tony] Imagine you're looking out at a lake, 784 00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:43,917 a large triangular boulder juts out of the water 785 00:33:43,917 --> 00:33:46,417 and casts a perfect reflection beneath it. 786 00:33:46,417 --> 00:33:49,125 Looks a lot like the Calvine photo, right? 787 00:33:49,125 --> 00:33:51,333 But West isn't so sure. 788 00:33:51,333 --> 00:33:53,500 - So I think it's somewhat implausible 789 00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:56,708 that you would get a such a mirror-like, still pool 790 00:33:56,708 --> 00:33:59,167 up in the Scottish highlands. 791 00:33:59,167 --> 00:34:01,750 I tried recreating this in my pool in the backyard, 792 00:34:01,750 --> 00:34:05,125 which is very sheltered and it's a very small body of water, 793 00:34:05,125 --> 00:34:06,875 and I had to do it early in the morning 794 00:34:06,875 --> 00:34:08,333 before there was any wind. 795 00:34:08,333 --> 00:34:10,000 So it's very difficult to do. 796 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,042 - [Tony] Instead, West suggests 797 00:34:12,042 --> 00:34:13,917 we recalibrate our sense of scale. 798 00:34:13,917 --> 00:34:16,000 - We don't actually know how far away it is. 799 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,042 What if it was only say two feet away? 800 00:34:18,042 --> 00:34:20,250 Then it could be very small indeed. 801 00:34:20,250 --> 00:34:21,875 And that kind of brings us to the other way 802 00:34:21,875 --> 00:34:24,167 we can fake images just using a model. 803 00:34:24,167 --> 00:34:26,542 I did a few tests outside, 804 00:34:27,708 --> 00:34:30,958 just simply dangling the object from the tree. 805 00:34:30,958 --> 00:34:35,250 And so I think it's very easy 806 00:34:35,250 --> 00:34:38,292 to have simulated this photo, 807 00:34:38,292 --> 00:34:42,042 using just a simple model hanging from this tree. 808 00:34:44,667 --> 00:34:46,708 (tense music) 809 00:34:48,875 --> 00:34:50,542 - Our verdict? 810 00:34:50,542 --> 00:34:53,667 We're tempted to call this one a hoax, 811 00:34:53,667 --> 00:34:55,667 considering both West and McCarthy proved 812 00:34:55,667 --> 00:34:58,083 that it could be faked. 813 00:34:58,083 --> 00:34:59,542 But the British Ministry of Defense 814 00:34:59,542 --> 00:35:01,500 has reportedly investigated the image 815 00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:03,958 and has not declared it a phony. 816 00:35:03,958 --> 00:35:05,500 So for now, 817 00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:08,958 we have to say this remains an unidentified object, 818 00:35:08,958 --> 00:35:11,208 but we're not gonna call it a UFO 819 00:35:11,208 --> 00:35:16,250 because we're not even positive it's actually flying. 820 00:35:16,250 --> 00:35:16,292 but we're not gonna call it a UFO ) 821 00:35:17,583 --> 00:35:19,375 - Finally tonight, we want to talk about what's become 822 00:35:19,375 --> 00:35:22,958 one of the most famous UFO encounters ever. 823 00:35:22,958 --> 00:35:25,917 The 2004 Nimitz Tic Tac UFO. 824 00:35:25,917 --> 00:35:27,958 The US government still considers this 825 00:35:27,958 --> 00:35:31,250 an official, unresolved UAP. 826 00:35:31,250 --> 00:35:34,042 But recently, our in-house skeptic Mick West 827 00:35:34,042 --> 00:35:36,708 says he came up with an explanation for it. 828 00:35:36,708 --> 00:35:40,292 So how will the debunker's theory hold up? 829 00:35:40,292 --> 00:35:42,750 Many of you already know this by heart. 830 00:35:42,750 --> 00:35:46,917 It's November 14th, 2004, off the coast of San Diego. 831 00:35:46,917 --> 00:35:48,333 The aircraft carrier USS Nimitz 832 00:35:48,333 --> 00:35:50,542 is leading its strike group on practice maneuvers 833 00:35:50,542 --> 00:35:53,542 when something strange occurs. 834 00:35:53,542 --> 00:35:55,917 While radar is indicating an unknown object in the air, 835 00:35:55,917 --> 00:35:59,125 Lieutenant Chad Underwood seeks out the anomalous object 836 00:35:59,125 --> 00:36:01,542 and manages to take a video. 837 00:36:01,542 --> 00:36:06,042 What he captures on camera changes ufology forever. 838 00:36:06,042 --> 00:36:07,875 The infrared camera picks up a white, 839 00:36:07,875 --> 00:36:09,375 almost star-shaped blob 840 00:36:09,375 --> 00:36:13,500 hovering at an altitude of about 15,000 to 24,000 feet. 841 00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:16,417 It has a bright white center, meaning the object is hot 842 00:36:16,417 --> 00:36:18,458 and several gray spikes coming out of it 843 00:36:18,458 --> 00:36:20,083 representing the dispersion of heat. 844 00:36:20,083 --> 00:36:22,458 The camera then switches off its infrared setting 845 00:36:22,458 --> 00:36:25,417 and we see the object as a solid black disc in the distance. 846 00:36:25,417 --> 00:36:26,792 The craft appears to rotate, 847 00:36:26,792 --> 00:36:29,500 now resembling more of a tic-tac shape. 848 00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:31,625 Finally, the object subtly shoots off the screen 849 00:36:31,625 --> 00:36:35,375 at stunning speed to the amazement of the pilots. 850 00:36:35,375 --> 00:36:37,208 - They claim that it was performing in ways 851 00:36:37,208 --> 00:36:38,625 that were definitely anomalous. 852 00:36:38,625 --> 00:36:41,250 For something that had no propellers, no rotors, 853 00:36:41,250 --> 00:36:43,333 it had no exhaust plumes, it had no surfaces 854 00:36:43,333 --> 00:36:44,833 that could generate lift, 855 00:36:44,833 --> 00:36:47,542 and to them, it seemed intelligently controlled. 856 00:36:47,542 --> 00:36:50,167 The importance of this video in the UFO circles 857 00:36:50,167 --> 00:36:52,083 cannot be overstated. 858 00:36:52,083 --> 00:36:54,458 It is continuously brought up 859 00:36:54,458 --> 00:36:57,167 at government hearings concerning UFOs. 860 00:36:57,167 --> 00:36:58,542 It's brought up in front of the Senate, 861 00:36:58,542 --> 00:36:59,958 it's brought up in front of Congress. 862 00:36:59,958 --> 00:37:02,792 It's been brought up literally to the president himself. 863 00:37:03,792 --> 00:37:07,375 - As we said earlier, AARO has reported that to date, 864 00:37:07,375 --> 00:37:09,833 it's found no proof of alien technology. 865 00:37:09,833 --> 00:37:13,417 So does that mean the Nimitz Tic Tac can be explained? 866 00:37:13,417 --> 00:37:15,667 Science writer Mick West thinks so, 867 00:37:15,667 --> 00:37:18,333 but he's not the only one with an opinion. 868 00:37:18,333 --> 00:37:20,583 (tense music) 869 00:37:21,958 --> 00:37:26,250 First, Mick tackles the tic-tac seemingly extreme speed. 870 00:37:26,250 --> 00:37:27,792 - There's two points in this video 871 00:37:27,792 --> 00:37:30,292 where the object appears to demonstrate 872 00:37:30,292 --> 00:37:32,125 amazing acceleration, 873 00:37:32,125 --> 00:37:35,250 and the first one comes where it appears to shoot off screen 874 00:37:35,250 --> 00:37:36,708 very, very rapidly. 875 00:37:36,708 --> 00:37:39,250 But that coincides, as to most of the movements, 876 00:37:39,250 --> 00:37:41,208 with a camera change. 877 00:37:41,208 --> 00:37:42,958 - [Tony] Watch as the sensor's zoom level 878 00:37:42,958 --> 00:37:47,208 abruptly doubles during one of the object's quickest movements. 879 00:37:47,208 --> 00:37:49,667 - So even though it looks like it's moving very, very fast, 880 00:37:49,667 --> 00:37:51,417 all it is is the camera moving 881 00:37:51,417 --> 00:37:53,833 from one magnification to another. 882 00:37:53,833 --> 00:37:55,875 - [Tony] However, physicist Matthew Szydagis 883 00:37:55,875 --> 00:37:57,500 thinks otherwise. 884 00:37:57,500 --> 00:38:00,042 - With the testimony of Lieutenant Chad Underwood, 885 00:38:00,042 --> 00:38:01,667 who actually took the video, 886 00:38:01,667 --> 00:38:03,250 we are actually seeing an object 887 00:38:03,250 --> 00:38:05,667 that produced such a high acceleration 888 00:38:05,667 --> 00:38:08,417 that it broke the targeting lock 889 00:38:08,417 --> 00:38:12,458 of our multi-million dollar system 890 00:38:12,458 --> 00:38:15,917 that should not be able to lose lock so easily. 891 00:38:15,917 --> 00:38:18,625 - [Tony] In fact, a peer reviewed publication 892 00:38:18,625 --> 00:38:20,375 authored by a colleague of Szydagis's 893 00:38:20,375 --> 00:38:23,125 suggests that the accelerations we're seeing here 894 00:38:23,125 --> 00:38:27,583 are far beyond the capabilities of any known human aircraft. 895 00:38:27,583 --> 00:38:29,875 - Professor Kevin Knuth at the University of Albany 896 00:38:29,875 --> 00:38:34,208 reviewed the video and found that the most probable solution 897 00:38:34,208 --> 00:38:37,958 to the motion we see involves accelerations 898 00:38:37,958 --> 00:38:42,917 of at least 70 G, which would rip the engines off a plane. 899 00:38:42,917 --> 00:38:45,583 - [Tony] Still, Mick West wonders if this whole thing 900 00:38:45,583 --> 00:38:47,458 might just be a case of misidentification. 901 00:38:47,458 --> 00:38:49,208 - I first thought that it might be 902 00:38:49,208 --> 00:38:50,542 a nearby commercial airplane 903 00:38:50,542 --> 00:38:52,583 because these training ranges are actually adjacent 904 00:38:52,583 --> 00:38:54,500 to commercial traffic routes. 905 00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:57,875 But a bigger jet would have two hotspots where the wings are 906 00:38:57,875 --> 00:38:59,250 so I think it's probably more likely 907 00:38:59,250 --> 00:39:00,792 to be something smaller. 908 00:39:00,792 --> 00:39:03,917 Something smaller actually fits the angles and the sizes 909 00:39:03,917 --> 00:39:07,167 and the position of the engines in the infrared. 910 00:39:07,167 --> 00:39:10,750 It fits with something much more like an F18 plane. 911 00:39:10,750 --> 00:39:13,583 - [Tony] West says it's the infrared that gives it away. 912 00:39:13,583 --> 00:39:15,625 - You can see a little hotspot 913 00:39:15,625 --> 00:39:17,542 on the right side of the plane 914 00:39:17,542 --> 00:39:20,625 would correspond to the engines of a small jet. 915 00:39:20,625 --> 00:39:23,208 - [Tony] But again, Szydagis disagrees. 916 00:39:23,208 --> 00:39:26,167 - There is no FAA or ADS-B record 917 00:39:26,167 --> 00:39:29,292 of an airplane at this day and time 918 00:39:29,292 --> 00:39:32,042 because this was a military exercise area 919 00:39:32,042 --> 00:39:33,208 in the first place. 920 00:39:33,208 --> 00:39:35,917 We have evidence from multiple sources 921 00:39:35,917 --> 00:39:38,417 corroborating from the US government, 922 00:39:38,417 --> 00:39:41,958 saying that the military exercise was canceled. 923 00:39:41,958 --> 00:39:45,292 That means there weren't other F18s in the air 924 00:39:45,292 --> 00:39:47,125 during the tic-tac encounter. 925 00:39:47,125 --> 00:39:49,500 So we can conclusively rule out 926 00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:52,208 without even arguing about acceleration or speed, 927 00:39:52,208 --> 00:39:54,542 that this is not an F18. 928 00:39:54,542 --> 00:39:56,417 - [Tony] So, where do we land? 929 00:39:56,417 --> 00:39:57,667 Szydagis is convinced. 930 00:39:57,667 --> 00:40:00,500 - I think we're looking at a genuine UFO. 931 00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:02,500 I think it's very telling 932 00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:05,542 that the speeds and accelerations measured are 933 00:40:05,542 --> 00:40:07,417 abnormally high 934 00:40:07,417 --> 00:40:09,250 in a way that would point towards 935 00:40:09,250 --> 00:40:11,083 some sort of advanced craft 936 00:40:11,083 --> 00:40:13,917 not constructed by human beings. 937 00:40:13,917 --> 00:40:16,917 - [Tony] Mick West remains unconvinced. 938 00:40:16,917 --> 00:40:18,250 - This is all consistent 939 00:40:18,250 --> 00:40:19,583 with something like a distant plane. 940 00:40:19,583 --> 00:40:21,917 I don't think it's a genuine UFO 941 00:40:21,917 --> 00:40:23,792 in that it doesn't actually demonstrate 942 00:40:23,792 --> 00:40:25,917 any real anomalous properties, 943 00:40:25,917 --> 00:40:28,792 which is something you want from a UFO. 944 00:40:28,792 --> 00:40:30,875 (tense music) 945 00:40:32,292 --> 00:40:33,625 - Our verdict? 946 00:40:33,625 --> 00:40:36,833 The Nimitz Tic Tac remains a genuine UFO. 947 00:40:36,833 --> 00:40:38,583 Mick West brings up some interesting points, 948 00:40:38,583 --> 00:40:41,375 but the preponderance of evidence, 949 00:40:41,375 --> 00:40:44,417 notably the testimony of multiple Navy pilots, 950 00:40:44,417 --> 00:40:47,417 still points to something inexplicable. 951 00:40:47,417 --> 00:40:49,958 And as we've seen tonight with other footage, 952 00:40:49,958 --> 00:40:52,417 this UFO is not alone. 953 00:40:52,417 --> 00:40:53,708 That's our show for this evening. 954 00:40:53,708 --> 00:40:56,958 The great UFO question continues to build momentum. 955 00:40:56,958 --> 00:40:59,542 So if you see something in the sky, 956 00:40:59,542 --> 00:41:01,542 keep those cameras rolling. 957 00:41:01,542 --> 00:41:03,917 (dramatic music)