1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:03,208 - Tonight on The Proof is Out There. 2 00:00:03,208 --> 00:00:06,250 What did one mayor of a small town capture? 3 00:00:06,250 --> 00:00:08,750 - These creatures can kidnap children. 4 00:00:08,750 --> 00:00:11,042 You just don't want them around. 5 00:00:11,042 --> 00:00:12,417 - [Tony] Everyone agrees 6 00:00:12,417 --> 00:00:16,333 it's a classic 1960s photograph, but is it a UFO? 7 00:00:16,333 --> 00:00:18,167 - What's depicted appears to be genuine. 8 00:00:18,167 --> 00:00:20,250 What's interesting about this photo 9 00:00:20,250 --> 00:00:22,792 is the directionality of light. 10 00:00:22,792 --> 00:00:24,167 - [Tony] What is this creature 11 00:00:24,167 --> 00:00:26,208 that showed up on a family farm? 12 00:00:26,208 --> 00:00:28,292 - No one has ever seen anything like this. 13 00:00:28,292 --> 00:00:31,333 Perhaps this is a type of evolution. 14 00:00:31,333 --> 00:00:34,375 - [Tony] This haunted hotel inspired "The Shining." 15 00:00:34,375 --> 00:00:37,208 Was one of its ghosts captured on camera? 16 00:00:37,208 --> 00:00:40,250 - Guests have reported seeing the ghost 17 00:00:40,250 --> 00:00:44,083 of the chamber maid, of cold spots in the rooms. 18 00:00:44,083 --> 00:00:47,250 - [Tony] And is there an otherworldly explanation 19 00:00:47,250 --> 00:00:49,042 behind these spinning fish? 20 00:00:49,042 --> 00:00:51,375 - Congressman Tim Burchett stated that he believes 21 00:00:51,375 --> 00:00:53,958 there are alien bases beneath our oceans. 22 00:00:53,958 --> 00:00:56,625 [dramatic music] 23 00:01:00,917 --> 00:01:03,042 - Around the globe are videos, 24 00:01:03,042 --> 00:01:04,750 [woman screaming] 25 00:01:04,750 --> 00:01:05,542 photos, 26 00:01:06,917 --> 00:01:09,292 and sounds that defy explanation. 27 00:01:14,542 --> 00:01:16,500 - [Amy] We don't know where they come from, 28 00:01:16,500 --> 00:01:18,250 who made them, or how they operate. 29 00:01:18,250 --> 00:01:19,542 - [Tony] What are they? 30 00:01:19,542 --> 00:01:21,417 - [Michael] Some sort of bizarre mutation. 31 00:01:21,417 --> 00:01:23,125 - [Ed] What's exciting is, nobody really knows. 32 00:01:23,125 --> 00:01:27,292 - Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof. 33 00:01:28,208 --> 00:01:29,417 - I'm Tony Harris. 34 00:01:29,417 --> 00:01:31,708 And as a journalist for more than 30 years, 35 00:01:31,708 --> 00:01:34,375 I've followed the facts where they take me. 36 00:01:34,375 --> 00:01:36,708 Now I'm bringing that spirit of investigation 37 00:01:36,708 --> 00:01:39,208 to the world's strangest sounds and images. 38 00:01:39,208 --> 00:01:40,750 - [Kate] It's coming towards us. 39 00:01:40,750 --> 00:01:43,667 - [Tony] We'll analyze each one with top experts. 40 00:01:43,667 --> 00:01:46,708 - It's a credible case, it's a credible video. 41 00:01:46,708 --> 00:01:49,500 - [Tony] And pass a verdict on what it is. 42 00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:51,750 - This video was clearly faked. 43 00:01:51,750 --> 00:01:53,625 - The proof starts now. 44 00:01:53,625 --> 00:01:56,292 [dramatic music] 45 00:02:01,167 --> 00:02:03,917 Good evening and welcome to The Proof is Out There. 46 00:02:03,917 --> 00:02:09,000 Roswell, New Mexico went down in UFO history in 1947 47 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,292 when the US military allegedly recovered 48 00:02:11,292 --> 00:02:13,583 a flying saucer that crashed there. 49 00:02:13,583 --> 00:02:15,500 That case has been debated for decades. 50 00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:18,417 But did you know another flying saucer 51 00:02:18,417 --> 00:02:22,583 was caught on film 20 years later in the very same state? 52 00:02:24,333 --> 00:02:28,583 It's March, 1967 in Las Cruces, New Mexico, 53 00:02:28,583 --> 00:02:32,708 about 150 miles as the crow flies from Roswell. 54 00:02:32,708 --> 00:02:35,875 An unnamed student from New Mexico State University 55 00:02:35,875 --> 00:02:39,542 is photographing land formations for his geology class 56 00:02:39,542 --> 00:02:42,875 when he spots something unusual about 500 yards away. 57 00:02:42,875 --> 00:02:46,792 He aims his four-by-five camera across the landscape 58 00:02:46,792 --> 00:02:48,208 and snaps this. 59 00:02:49,458 --> 00:02:52,083 The photo centers on a round, metallic object 60 00:02:52,083 --> 00:02:55,000 which appears to hover just above a low hill, 61 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,250 between two rock crags. 62 00:02:57,250 --> 00:02:59,875 To this day, the photo is revered 63 00:02:59,875 --> 00:03:03,208 as one of the classic snapshots of a flying saucer, 64 00:03:03,208 --> 00:03:06,375 in this case, rotated on its side. 65 00:03:06,375 --> 00:03:08,875 The United States had recently been a hotbed 66 00:03:08,875 --> 00:03:10,917 for UFO sightings. 67 00:03:10,917 --> 00:03:13,167 And for New Mexico, it all began 68 00:03:13,167 --> 00:03:16,500 with one history-making headline, RAAF, 69 00:03:16,500 --> 00:03:19,375 which stands for Roswell Army Airfield, 70 00:03:19,375 --> 00:03:22,833 captures flying saucer on ranch in Roswell region. 71 00:03:24,417 --> 00:03:27,292 - And flying saucer sightings took the country by storm. 72 00:03:27,292 --> 00:03:30,375 Between 1947 and 1960, 73 00:03:30,375 --> 00:03:35,375 an estimated 6,500 sightings of UFOs were registered. 74 00:03:36,250 --> 00:03:37,375 - [Tony] Some were photographed, 75 00:03:37,375 --> 00:03:39,625 like this one in New Jersey in 1952, 76 00:03:39,625 --> 00:03:42,417 and this one over Germany in 1954, 77 00:03:42,417 --> 00:03:43,958 but most weren't, 78 00:03:43,958 --> 00:03:45,708 and it's possible a lot of sightings 79 00:03:45,708 --> 00:03:49,333 were just people being influenced by all the press. 80 00:03:49,333 --> 00:03:51,125 And then a funny thing happened. 81 00:03:51,125 --> 00:03:53,042 People mostly stopped seeing UFOs 82 00:03:53,042 --> 00:03:55,375 in the shape of flying saucers. 83 00:03:55,375 --> 00:03:59,042 By the sixties, oval shaped UFOs began to be reported, 84 00:03:59,042 --> 00:04:02,208 and in the decades since, people have seen triangles, 85 00:04:02,208 --> 00:04:04,542 orbs, and even cigars. 86 00:04:04,542 --> 00:04:06,833 The diversification of UFO shapes 87 00:04:06,833 --> 00:04:09,875 has been increasing ever since, but why? 88 00:04:09,875 --> 00:04:13,000 - Some people believe that the different types of UFOs 89 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,167 are actually from different alien civilizations. 90 00:04:16,167 --> 00:04:17,750 - [Tony] That's what makes this photo, 91 00:04:17,750 --> 00:04:19,292 a flying saucer sighting 92 00:04:19,292 --> 00:04:22,167 years after flying saucers fell out of fashion, 93 00:04:22,167 --> 00:04:24,042 especially intriguing. 94 00:04:24,042 --> 00:04:26,375 - This photo was taken in 1967, 95 00:04:26,375 --> 00:04:29,042 seven years after that big craze died, 96 00:04:29,042 --> 00:04:32,333 which has some people wondering, could it be more credible 97 00:04:32,333 --> 00:04:34,417 because it was after all of the sightings 98 00:04:34,417 --> 00:04:36,708 and after the big UFO craze ended? 99 00:04:39,208 --> 00:04:41,375 - With all these different UFO shapes, 100 00:04:41,375 --> 00:04:44,250 some have even suggested these are simply trends 101 00:04:44,250 --> 00:04:46,708 of alien spacecraft design, 102 00:04:46,708 --> 00:04:49,958 similar to the way our cars have changed style 103 00:04:49,958 --> 00:04:51,292 over the decades. 104 00:04:51,292 --> 00:04:55,208 But is this 1960s saucer the real deal? 105 00:04:55,208 --> 00:04:58,125 Our experts dish out some insight. 106 00:04:58,125 --> 00:05:01,000 [suspenseful music] 107 00:05:02,208 --> 00:05:04,708 Whenever we see a UFO photo this good, 108 00:05:04,708 --> 00:05:08,042 we first need to consider if it's too good to be true. 109 00:05:08,042 --> 00:05:10,208 - What's interesting about this photo 110 00:05:10,208 --> 00:05:12,292 is the directionality of light. 111 00:05:12,292 --> 00:05:15,042 So, using one of our tools, 112 00:05:15,042 --> 00:05:17,667 we're able to kind of demonstrate 113 00:05:17,667 --> 00:05:21,042 the consistencies and inconsistencies in the shadows. 114 00:05:21,042 --> 00:05:23,708 - [Tony] The sunlight appears to strike the scene 115 00:05:23,708 --> 00:05:27,542 from the upper left, casting shadows to the lower right. 116 00:05:27,542 --> 00:05:31,417 So we'd expect to find the UFO's shadow on the ground, 117 00:05:31,417 --> 00:05:35,417 right about here, but we're not sure this is it. 118 00:05:36,458 --> 00:05:37,917 - Some people have suggested 119 00:05:37,917 --> 00:05:40,708 that you can actually see the shadow of the object, 120 00:05:40,708 --> 00:05:43,542 but I'm familiar with the landscape in New Mexico 121 00:05:43,542 --> 00:05:45,375 and these are just creosote bushes 122 00:05:45,375 --> 00:05:47,542 that grow everywhere in the desert. 123 00:05:47,542 --> 00:05:49,833 - So although what's depicted appears to be genuine 124 00:05:49,833 --> 00:05:50,875 in this digital version, 125 00:05:50,875 --> 00:05:53,625 the authenticity is considered inconclusive. 126 00:05:53,625 --> 00:05:55,417 - [Tony] Could that missing shadow 127 00:05:55,417 --> 00:05:58,625 indicate that the UFO is farther away, 128 00:05:58,625 --> 00:06:02,583 maybe something large floating beyond this hill? 129 00:06:02,583 --> 00:06:05,292 - It doesn't make sense, when you look at this object, 130 00:06:05,292 --> 00:06:08,542 why it's got this fuzziness down here, 131 00:06:08,542 --> 00:06:13,208 and it looks very much like it's in the wrong focal plane. 132 00:06:13,208 --> 00:06:17,833 It looks like the focal plane is farther toward these rocks, 133 00:06:17,833 --> 00:06:19,208 which are in focus, 134 00:06:19,208 --> 00:06:22,583 and closer objects are gonna be a little out of focus. 135 00:06:22,583 --> 00:06:24,292 - [Tony] That means this UFO 136 00:06:24,292 --> 00:06:26,667 isn't something far away and large, 137 00:06:26,667 --> 00:06:30,167 it's something close and small, but what? 138 00:06:30,167 --> 00:06:32,375 - Let's assume it was a thrown object. 139 00:06:32,375 --> 00:06:33,875 What was it? 140 00:06:33,875 --> 00:06:37,042 Well, that looks remarkably like a hubcap to me. 141 00:06:37,042 --> 00:06:39,833 And if so, that would be silver, 142 00:06:39,833 --> 00:06:43,542 which is consistent with the reflections off of this, 143 00:06:43,542 --> 00:06:45,292 compared to reflections elsewhere. 144 00:06:45,292 --> 00:06:46,625 - [Tony] The issues with shadows 145 00:06:46,625 --> 00:06:49,083 have us leaning hard into hoax, 146 00:06:49,083 --> 00:06:52,792 but only thing is, our experts aren't sure how they did it. 147 00:06:52,792 --> 00:06:55,542 - It's very difficult, like if you had a pie plate 148 00:06:55,542 --> 00:06:57,458 and you wanted to throw it in the air 149 00:06:57,458 --> 00:06:59,292 and get a good photograph of it, 150 00:06:59,292 --> 00:07:01,500 you're gonna see more signs of a blur 151 00:07:01,500 --> 00:07:04,000 because of the movement that it's doing. 152 00:07:09,583 --> 00:07:12,083 - Our verdict, unexplained hoax. 153 00:07:12,083 --> 00:07:16,208 Much like this alleged UFO, we are up in the air. 154 00:07:16,208 --> 00:07:18,208 It could be a thrown hubcap 155 00:07:18,208 --> 00:07:20,208 captured at just the right moment, 156 00:07:20,208 --> 00:07:22,000 or it could be the work of a pro. 157 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,667 Either way, we doubt it's the real deal. 158 00:07:24,667 --> 00:07:26,667 So if you know anything about this photo 159 00:07:26,667 --> 00:07:29,750 that we haven't mentioned, please let us know. 160 00:07:31,375 --> 00:07:34,792 We investigate plenty of tall tales on this show, 161 00:07:34,792 --> 00:07:36,417 but with reported sightings 162 00:07:36,417 --> 00:07:39,042 of goblins, gremlins and fairies, 163 00:07:39,042 --> 00:07:43,250 we have our fair share of little legends too. 164 00:07:43,250 --> 00:07:44,875 Just take a look at this. 165 00:07:47,125 --> 00:07:49,708 March, 2023, 166 00:07:49,708 --> 00:07:53,917 Huasca De Ocampo, Mexico, just northwest of Mexico City, 167 00:07:53,917 --> 00:07:57,542 Mayor Francisco Flores calls a press conference. 168 00:07:57,542 --> 00:08:00,125 Standing alongside two men, he announces 169 00:08:00,125 --> 00:08:02,958 that these workers have made a stunning discovery 170 00:08:02,958 --> 00:08:05,125 in one of the warehouses in the town, this. 171 00:08:07,208 --> 00:08:08,875 It's a decomposed creature 172 00:08:08,875 --> 00:08:12,250 that appears to be about 10 to 12 inches in length, 173 00:08:12,250 --> 00:08:14,542 and its present condition suggests 174 00:08:14,542 --> 00:08:17,083 that it's been dead for some time. 175 00:08:17,083 --> 00:08:18,542 Take a closer look. 176 00:08:18,542 --> 00:08:21,708 This creature seems to have a humanoid shaped head, 177 00:08:21,708 --> 00:08:26,292 with two arms, two legs, a tail, 178 00:08:26,292 --> 00:08:30,292 and those ears, they almost look kind of pointed. 179 00:08:30,292 --> 00:08:31,583 What is this thing? 180 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,875 The mayor publicly declares that this could be the fetus 181 00:08:36,875 --> 00:08:40,750 of a goblin-like creature from Latin American lore. 182 00:08:41,792 --> 00:08:44,375 - A duende is a local legend. 183 00:08:44,375 --> 00:08:45,792 Duende translates in Spanish 184 00:08:45,792 --> 00:08:48,417 to something like dwarf or goblin, 185 00:08:48,417 --> 00:08:51,000 usually described as small creatures, 186 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,167 maybe a half a meter tall, with pointed ears, 187 00:08:54,167 --> 00:08:56,542 kinda human-like, but definitely not human 188 00:08:56,542 --> 00:08:58,042 in any sort of way. 189 00:08:58,042 --> 00:09:01,333 They're mischievous, they're gonna play pranks on you. 190 00:09:01,333 --> 00:09:03,167 They can kidnap children. 191 00:09:03,167 --> 00:09:05,917 You just don't want them around. 192 00:09:05,917 --> 00:09:08,542 - [Tony] However, just like the mischievous gremlins 193 00:09:08,542 --> 00:09:11,042 in fairies of European lore, 194 00:09:11,042 --> 00:09:14,042 duendes can also be helpful to humans. 195 00:09:14,042 --> 00:09:16,417 - One of the most famous duende stories 196 00:09:16,417 --> 00:09:18,375 happened in the Colombian rainforest, 197 00:09:18,375 --> 00:09:21,542 when a plane crashed in 2023. 198 00:09:21,542 --> 00:09:22,917 Four children went missing, 199 00:09:22,917 --> 00:09:27,083 ranging in age from 11 months old to 13 years old. 200 00:09:27,083 --> 00:09:28,958 - [Tony] Authorities feared the worst, 201 00:09:28,958 --> 00:09:32,042 as the small children remained missing for 40 days 202 00:09:32,042 --> 00:09:36,167 inside a jungle filled with jaguars, snakes, 203 00:09:36,167 --> 00:09:38,542 and armed drug smugglers. 204 00:09:38,542 --> 00:09:42,208 - They enlisted a local shaman, who drank yage, 205 00:09:42,208 --> 00:09:45,208 and while he was in his hallucinogenic trance, 206 00:09:45,208 --> 00:09:49,333 he saw visions of a duende who had negotiated 207 00:09:49,333 --> 00:09:51,708 for the return of the children, 208 00:09:51,708 --> 00:09:54,583 and within a few days, the children come out of the jungle, 209 00:09:54,583 --> 00:09:56,042 back to the village. 210 00:09:56,042 --> 00:09:57,042 How did they survive 211 00:09:57,042 --> 00:09:59,292 in the Colombian rainforest for a month? 212 00:10:00,708 --> 00:10:02,583 - [Tony] It makes sense this creature was found 213 00:10:02,583 --> 00:10:05,625 specifically in Huasca De Ocampo, 214 00:10:05,625 --> 00:10:07,833 as that town is officially recognized 215 00:10:07,833 --> 00:10:10,375 by the Mexican government for its rich tradition 216 00:10:10,375 --> 00:10:12,083 of supernatural entities. 217 00:10:13,458 --> 00:10:15,042 - Could it be that goblins are lurking 218 00:10:15,042 --> 00:10:18,208 in the vicinity of this small Mexican town? 219 00:10:20,875 --> 00:10:23,250 - Duendes seem to be popping up all over. 220 00:10:23,250 --> 00:10:26,625 In another episode, we investigated a supposed duende 221 00:10:26,625 --> 00:10:29,833 hanging out in a tree in Costa Rica. 222 00:10:29,833 --> 00:10:33,625 We determined that one was just a misidentified bird. 223 00:10:33,625 --> 00:10:35,458 But what about this one? 224 00:10:35,458 --> 00:10:38,333 [mysterious music] 225 00:10:39,875 --> 00:10:41,542 Here's the problem. 226 00:10:41,542 --> 00:10:44,792 Even if we take legends of duende literally, 227 00:10:44,792 --> 00:10:47,167 this specimen doesn't match up. 228 00:10:47,167 --> 00:10:50,917 - They're described as being short, human-like creatures 229 00:10:50,917 --> 00:10:53,542 that have wide owl eyes. 230 00:10:53,542 --> 00:10:56,167 We don't see big owl eyes. 231 00:10:56,167 --> 00:10:59,250 And what catches my eye is this long tail. 232 00:10:59,250 --> 00:11:00,833 Humans do not have tails. 233 00:11:00,833 --> 00:11:05,375 We do have a sacrum and a coccyx, which is our tailbone 234 00:11:05,375 --> 00:11:09,958 and thought to be the remnants of tails from our ancestors, 235 00:11:09,958 --> 00:11:13,125 but no human has a tail that long. 236 00:11:13,125 --> 00:11:15,708 In addition, we can look at the hands. 237 00:11:15,708 --> 00:11:18,458 Humans have fingers that separate. 238 00:11:18,458 --> 00:11:22,583 I think these look like paws more than they look like hands, 239 00:11:22,583 --> 00:11:25,542 and I don't see evidence of an opposable thumb. 240 00:11:25,542 --> 00:11:28,167 - [Tony] And as far as the arms themselves. 241 00:11:28,167 --> 00:11:32,125 - The distinctive anatomy of that hind leg 242 00:11:32,125 --> 00:11:37,125 is in full concert with the anatomy of the upper extremity. 243 00:11:38,167 --> 00:11:41,250 So these are legs rather than arms. 244 00:11:41,250 --> 00:11:45,458 They provide support rather than manual dexterity. 245 00:11:45,458 --> 00:11:46,917 - [Tony] That's an important clue, 246 00:11:46,917 --> 00:11:49,417 along with the round, oversized head. 247 00:11:50,917 --> 00:11:54,042 - Both humans and other animals are born with head sizes 248 00:11:54,042 --> 00:11:56,625 that are larger in proportion to the rest of the body. 249 00:11:56,625 --> 00:11:59,667 This is because the brain grows 250 00:11:59,667 --> 00:12:01,833 much quicker than the rest of the body. 251 00:12:02,875 --> 00:12:05,292 So this structure to me looks much more 252 00:12:05,292 --> 00:12:09,208 like what we would expect in a animal like a cat or a dog. 253 00:12:10,625 --> 00:12:13,667 - This is almost certainly just a poor kitten 254 00:12:13,667 --> 00:12:16,625 that died, perished, and now was found 255 00:12:16,625 --> 00:12:18,875 after it was quite desiccated, 256 00:12:18,875 --> 00:12:22,042 dried out and virtually mummified. 257 00:12:26,292 --> 00:12:29,417 - Our verdict, this is most definitely the remains 258 00:12:29,417 --> 00:12:31,208 of an unfortunate kitten. 259 00:12:31,208 --> 00:12:34,125 It would seem there could have been some monetary motivation 260 00:12:34,125 --> 00:12:36,542 behind this misidentification. 261 00:12:36,542 --> 00:12:38,625 You see, this town is actually famous 262 00:12:38,625 --> 00:12:41,875 for a museum dedicated to duendes. 263 00:12:41,875 --> 00:12:43,750 That could explain why the mayor himself 264 00:12:43,750 --> 00:12:46,083 held a press conference over this little critter, 265 00:12:46,083 --> 00:12:48,000 and even placed it on display in the museum. 266 00:12:53,208 --> 00:12:54,875 - In movies like "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" 267 00:12:54,875 --> 00:12:58,375 or "Independence Day," our first contact with aliens 268 00:12:58,375 --> 00:13:02,208 seems to be with scout craft that come to check us out 269 00:13:02,208 --> 00:13:05,208 and then report back to a larger mothership. 270 00:13:05,208 --> 00:13:08,000 Could that idea be based on reality? 271 00:13:09,875 --> 00:13:14,792 It's January 13th, 2024 in Charlotte, North Carolina. 272 00:13:14,792 --> 00:13:17,250 After an evening hike with her husband, 273 00:13:17,250 --> 00:13:20,083 artist Kate Vasseur is returning home 274 00:13:20,083 --> 00:13:23,208 when something catches her eye in the night sky. 275 00:13:23,208 --> 00:13:26,167 - I saw this orb kind of in the sky. 276 00:13:26,167 --> 00:13:30,542 It was just white, and it descended towards earth, 277 00:13:30,542 --> 00:13:32,042 and as quickly as it came, 278 00:13:32,042 --> 00:13:34,958 it just shot back up and then went away. 279 00:13:34,958 --> 00:13:38,708 Then all of a sudden, just saw all these lights, 280 00:13:38,708 --> 00:13:40,208 and they were just kind of hovering there. 281 00:13:40,208 --> 00:13:43,292 - [Tony] Kate takes out her phone and captures this. 282 00:13:46,208 --> 00:13:48,042 - [Tony] A bar of shimmering lights 283 00:13:48,042 --> 00:13:51,875 floats idly in the air behind some trees. 284 00:13:51,875 --> 00:13:53,583 Each light appears to be glowing 285 00:13:53,583 --> 00:13:56,125 in different colors and patterns, 286 00:13:56,125 --> 00:13:58,542 but the entire shape seems to gain speed 287 00:13:58,542 --> 00:14:00,542 as it moves across the sky. 288 00:14:00,542 --> 00:14:02,083 - It was the weirdest thing. 289 00:14:02,083 --> 00:14:03,417 We just looked at each other 290 00:14:03,417 --> 00:14:06,458 and just couldn't believe what we had just seen. 291 00:14:06,458 --> 00:14:08,083 - [Tony] But as it turns out, 292 00:14:08,083 --> 00:14:10,125 Kate isn't the first in her area 293 00:14:10,125 --> 00:14:12,375 to experience such a sighting. 294 00:14:12,375 --> 00:14:15,667 - In early 2021, residents reported seeing 295 00:14:15,667 --> 00:14:17,875 a string of lights in the sky. 296 00:14:17,875 --> 00:14:20,542 Many people posted their photos and videos, 297 00:14:20,542 --> 00:14:24,333 and a lot of them looked a lot like Kate's video. 298 00:14:24,333 --> 00:14:26,750 - [Tony] This photo shows one large light 299 00:14:26,750 --> 00:14:28,875 with other small ones. 300 00:14:28,875 --> 00:14:31,292 That's important, because remember, 301 00:14:31,292 --> 00:14:34,167 before Kate took the main video we're talking about, 302 00:14:34,167 --> 00:14:38,042 she saw a smaller light shoot into the sky and disappear. 303 00:14:38,042 --> 00:14:39,583 What does it mean? 304 00:14:39,583 --> 00:14:41,333 - All of this taken together 305 00:14:41,333 --> 00:14:44,375 kind of sounds like the typical UFO sighting 306 00:14:44,375 --> 00:14:45,917 of a mothership. 307 00:14:45,917 --> 00:14:48,083 This is a UFO form where there's kind of a base ship 308 00:14:48,083 --> 00:14:51,042 and it will release or have other smaller craft 309 00:14:51,042 --> 00:14:53,583 that go away from it and then come back. 310 00:14:53,583 --> 00:14:54,875 - [Tony] If the whole idea 311 00:14:54,875 --> 00:14:56,875 sounds too much like science fiction, 312 00:14:56,875 --> 00:14:59,708 keep in mind that actual scientists 313 00:14:59,708 --> 00:15:02,083 are giving it serious thought. 314 00:15:02,083 --> 00:15:05,958 In 2023, Harvard astrophysicist Avi Loeb 315 00:15:05,958 --> 00:15:09,375 and former Pentagon physicist Sean Kirkpatrick 316 00:15:09,375 --> 00:15:11,417 co-authored a paper which reasoned 317 00:15:11,417 --> 00:15:14,042 that an artificial interstellar object 318 00:15:14,042 --> 00:15:16,125 could potentially be parent craft 319 00:15:16,125 --> 00:15:18,042 that releases many small probes 320 00:15:18,042 --> 00:15:20,250 during its close passage to earth. 321 00:15:20,250 --> 00:15:22,042 Is what we see in Charlotte 322 00:15:22,042 --> 00:15:24,417 some sort of dispatch point 323 00:15:24,417 --> 00:15:27,375 where motherships release and recapture their probes? 324 00:15:27,375 --> 00:15:30,542 - There's no obvious explanation of what it is. 325 00:15:30,542 --> 00:15:32,125 So what are these lights, 326 00:15:32,125 --> 00:15:35,250 and why do they seemingly keep showing up in Charlotte? 327 00:15:39,708 --> 00:15:41,083 - Here's a copy of that paper 328 00:15:41,083 --> 00:15:44,042 written by Avi Loeb and Sean Kirkpatrick. 329 00:15:44,042 --> 00:15:46,208 In it, they speculate that the mothership 330 00:15:46,208 --> 00:15:48,042 might send probes to earth 331 00:15:48,042 --> 00:15:50,875 for the purpose of scientific exploration. 332 00:15:50,875 --> 00:15:53,542 So did Kate witness one of these motherships 333 00:15:53,542 --> 00:15:55,542 and its exploratory probe? 334 00:16:01,375 --> 00:16:05,042 First, we ask if this could be some kind of drone, 335 00:16:05,042 --> 00:16:08,417 like the late 2024 sightings that plagued New Jersey. 336 00:16:09,542 --> 00:16:12,083 - You can see that it's making a slow movement, 337 00:16:12,083 --> 00:16:13,833 kinda like a straight line. 338 00:16:13,833 --> 00:16:18,875 Then you have it slowly making what appears to be a turn. 339 00:16:18,875 --> 00:16:23,458 It's actually angling up those lights as if it were banking. 340 00:16:23,458 --> 00:16:27,417 That's not how drones maneuver through the atmosphere. 341 00:16:27,417 --> 00:16:30,875 - [Tony] The object also appears to be moving steadily. 342 00:16:30,875 --> 00:16:33,958 No signs of instantaneous acceleration, 343 00:16:33,958 --> 00:16:38,625 like that made by famous UFOs like the 2004 Nimitz Tic Tac. 344 00:16:39,625 --> 00:16:41,750 - This is making banking turns, 345 00:16:41,750 --> 00:16:43,833 moving slowly across the sky. 346 00:16:43,833 --> 00:16:46,042 We're not seeing a change in direction, 347 00:16:46,042 --> 00:16:49,000 we're not seeing instantaneous acceleration, 348 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,042 we're not seeing anything of that nature. 349 00:16:51,042 --> 00:16:52,625 - [Tony] Then what are we seeing? 350 00:16:52,625 --> 00:16:56,167 The key clue may be, not in the motion of the lights, 351 00:16:56,167 --> 00:16:57,333 but their color. 352 00:16:57,333 --> 00:16:58,917 - If you notice, as it flies through, 353 00:16:58,917 --> 00:17:00,042 once in a while you're gonna see 354 00:17:00,042 --> 00:17:02,250 the red light showing through. 355 00:17:02,250 --> 00:17:04,917 You saw it through the trees there. 356 00:17:04,917 --> 00:17:06,875 There it is again. You see it there. 357 00:17:06,875 --> 00:17:08,542 What are those? 358 00:17:08,542 --> 00:17:12,042 Well, in the FAA mandated lighting manual for aircraft, 359 00:17:12,042 --> 00:17:13,292 the left side of your plane 360 00:17:13,292 --> 00:17:14,583 is gonna have the red light on it, 361 00:17:14,583 --> 00:17:16,042 and the right side's gonna have a green light. 362 00:17:16,042 --> 00:17:19,208 We also have a belly strobe on the bottom. 363 00:17:19,208 --> 00:17:22,208 - [Tony] Adding up the lights and how they are moving, 364 00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:25,167 it seems, this is no mystery at all. 365 00:17:25,167 --> 00:17:28,042 - This has all the appearance of being an aircraft 366 00:17:28,042 --> 00:17:29,833 coming in for an approach, 367 00:17:29,833 --> 00:17:34,000 making banking turns, moving slowly across the sky. 368 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,708 - [Tony] It's that banking angle 369 00:17:35,708 --> 00:17:38,542 that makes the spacing of the lights look unfamiliar, 370 00:17:38,542 --> 00:17:41,375 and therefore less easily identifiable 371 00:17:41,375 --> 00:17:44,167 as the shape of a commercial aircraft. 372 00:17:44,167 --> 00:17:45,792 - The bottom line is, 373 00:17:45,792 --> 00:17:48,542 I think this is a plane on approach to Charlotte Airport. 374 00:17:53,458 --> 00:17:54,458 - Our verdict, 375 00:17:54,458 --> 00:17:57,042 this is just a commercial airplane. 376 00:17:57,042 --> 00:17:59,625 But admittedly, there is still the mystery 377 00:17:59,625 --> 00:18:02,417 of the bright orb Kate says she witnessed 378 00:18:02,417 --> 00:18:04,292 before she started filming. 379 00:18:04,292 --> 00:18:06,625 We'll keep chasing down clues ourselves, 380 00:18:06,625 --> 00:18:07,542 and let you know if we get any updates. 381 00:18:12,875 --> 00:18:15,292 - Genetic mutations are crucial to the evolutionary process. 382 00:18:15,292 --> 00:18:17,417 They help species develop new traits, 383 00:18:17,417 --> 00:18:19,875 and adapt to changing environments. 384 00:18:19,875 --> 00:18:24,417 But sometimes, those mutations go wrong, horribly wrong. 385 00:18:24,417 --> 00:18:27,208 And when people start playing God... 386 00:18:27,208 --> 00:18:28,458 Well, check this out. 387 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,750 November, 2018. 388 00:18:33,042 --> 00:18:35,167 It's a normal day on this small farm 389 00:18:35,167 --> 00:18:38,375 in Sultan Kudarat, in the Philippines. 390 00:18:38,375 --> 00:18:40,208 Farm owner Josephine Repique 391 00:18:40,208 --> 00:18:43,000 is preparing to help one of her livestock give birth, 392 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,542 as she's done many times before. 393 00:18:45,542 --> 00:18:48,167 But when she performs a cesarean section 394 00:18:48,167 --> 00:18:52,333 on a goat pregnant with twins, she finds this. 395 00:18:52,333 --> 00:18:55,208 While one twin appears perfectly normal, 396 00:18:55,208 --> 00:18:57,542 the other is anything but. 397 00:18:57,542 --> 00:19:00,875 It's larger and more rotund, with pale skin 398 00:19:00,875 --> 00:19:04,708 and a waxy, reflective sheen all over its body. 399 00:19:04,708 --> 00:19:07,875 The hairless animal even appears to have a navel, 400 00:19:07,875 --> 00:19:09,958 just like a tiny human. 401 00:19:09,958 --> 00:19:11,792 Take a closer look. 402 00:19:11,792 --> 00:19:13,917 Despite being birthed by a goat, 403 00:19:13,917 --> 00:19:16,583 its large, puffy face and snout 404 00:19:16,583 --> 00:19:18,792 have both the media and online spectators 405 00:19:18,792 --> 00:19:21,042 calling this a strange hybrid 406 00:19:21,042 --> 00:19:23,625 that's half-animal and half-human. 407 00:19:25,083 --> 00:19:27,875 - People come from all over the place to come look at this. 408 00:19:27,875 --> 00:19:29,208 What is the creature? 409 00:19:29,208 --> 00:19:31,708 No one has ever seen anything like this, 410 00:19:31,708 --> 00:19:35,417 and people come up with all sorts of farfetched ideas 411 00:19:35,417 --> 00:19:37,500 as to what this thing could be. 412 00:19:37,500 --> 00:19:39,583 - There are a number of states around the US 413 00:19:39,583 --> 00:19:42,375 that have legends of a terrifying goat man. 414 00:19:42,375 --> 00:19:44,750 One in Maryland says that a local scientist 415 00:19:44,750 --> 00:19:47,458 transformed himself into a terrifying hybrid creature 416 00:19:47,458 --> 00:19:50,167 after a DNA experiment gone wrong, 417 00:19:50,167 --> 00:19:52,208 and now, he stalks the woods, 418 00:19:52,208 --> 00:19:55,667 and attacks anyone unlucky enough to cross his path. 419 00:19:55,667 --> 00:19:57,792 - [Tony] As far out as that probably is, 420 00:19:57,792 --> 00:19:59,500 there was a verified attempt 421 00:19:59,500 --> 00:20:02,292 to create a human-animal hybrid. 422 00:20:02,292 --> 00:20:03,792 - In the 1920s, 423 00:20:03,792 --> 00:20:07,208 there actually was a Russian and Soviet biologist 424 00:20:07,208 --> 00:20:09,167 by the name of Ilya Ivanov 425 00:20:09,167 --> 00:20:11,875 and he was quite a successful scientist, 426 00:20:11,875 --> 00:20:17,083 but he also became obsessed with something rather gross, 427 00:20:17,083 --> 00:20:19,458 which was, he thought that there should be 428 00:20:19,458 --> 00:20:21,583 a human-ape hybrid. 429 00:20:21,583 --> 00:20:26,583 So he tried to inseminate chimpanzees and orangutans. 430 00:20:26,583 --> 00:20:30,667 Fortunately, none of these animals became pregnant. 431 00:20:30,667 --> 00:20:33,000 - [Tony] Today, scientists are experimenting 432 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,833 with growing organs in animals 433 00:20:34,833 --> 00:20:37,750 that can be used for human organ transplants, 434 00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:41,875 and beyond the lab, there are some interspecies hybrids 435 00:20:41,875 --> 00:20:43,375 that have occurred naturally. 436 00:20:43,375 --> 00:20:45,833 - There have been polar bear-grizzly hybrids, 437 00:20:45,833 --> 00:20:47,458 called pizzlies. 438 00:20:47,458 --> 00:20:51,208 And there's even a zonkey, which is a zebra-donkey. 439 00:20:51,208 --> 00:20:52,375 Is this just an accident? 440 00:20:52,375 --> 00:20:53,875 Is this just happenstance? 441 00:20:53,875 --> 00:20:55,458 I don't know. 442 00:20:55,458 --> 00:20:59,208 But we are seeing it more regularly in the natural world. 443 00:21:02,250 --> 00:21:04,542 - The Chimera was a legendary monster 444 00:21:04,542 --> 00:21:07,375 with the head of a lion, the tail of a snake, 445 00:21:07,375 --> 00:21:08,708 and the body of a goat. 446 00:21:08,708 --> 00:21:12,042 But chimera also refers to real life organisms 447 00:21:12,042 --> 00:21:14,917 that contain two different sets of DNA. 448 00:21:14,917 --> 00:21:16,375 It can even happen in humans, 449 00:21:16,375 --> 00:21:18,667 potentially causing two different eye colors, 450 00:21:18,667 --> 00:21:22,292 two different skin tones, even two different blood types. 451 00:21:22,292 --> 00:21:23,708 But let's see what our experts think 452 00:21:23,708 --> 00:21:26,958 about this potential genetic anomaly. 453 00:21:26,958 --> 00:21:29,792 [mysterious music] 454 00:21:31,375 --> 00:21:36,042 Is it possible that this creature is a half-human hybrid? 455 00:21:36,042 --> 00:21:38,667 - Now, while this animal might look a little bit human 456 00:21:38,667 --> 00:21:40,667 in appearance, I think it's really important to note 457 00:21:40,667 --> 00:21:43,750 that humans cannot cross breed with goats. 458 00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:45,750 It's just not genetically possible. 459 00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:47,375 - Even though they're both mammals, 460 00:21:47,375 --> 00:21:49,875 there's a big genetic distance between them. 461 00:21:49,875 --> 00:21:51,250 - [Tony] But wait a minute. 462 00:21:51,250 --> 00:21:54,000 We know that it's possible for some species to interbreed. 463 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:59,042 - Wolves and dogs, lions and tigers, and horses and donkeys. 464 00:22:00,333 --> 00:22:02,167 Those species are already genetically 465 00:22:02,167 --> 00:22:04,875 really similar to each other. 466 00:22:04,875 --> 00:22:08,375 Humans and their closest relatives, like chimpanzees, 467 00:22:08,375 --> 00:22:11,583 share almost 99% of the same DNA, 468 00:22:11,583 --> 00:22:14,500 but even then we could not cross breed. 469 00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:17,708 - [Tony] Then could this be some type of genetic experiment 470 00:22:17,708 --> 00:22:18,875 gone awry? 471 00:22:18,875 --> 00:22:22,542 - I highly doubt this is a genetic experiment. 472 00:22:22,542 --> 00:22:24,833 Genetic work conducted by scientists 473 00:22:24,833 --> 00:22:28,125 is typically conducted in a controlled lab setting. 474 00:22:28,125 --> 00:22:30,708 This is a Filipino farm. 475 00:22:30,708 --> 00:22:33,083 It's not where you would expect to see 476 00:22:33,083 --> 00:22:35,292 genetic experimentation. 477 00:22:35,292 --> 00:22:37,125 - [Tony] Then the question remains, 478 00:22:37,125 --> 00:22:39,542 what exactly are we looking at here? 479 00:22:39,542 --> 00:22:42,958 - To me, this appears to be some sort of weird birth defect. 480 00:22:44,667 --> 00:22:48,042 It has siblings right next to it that came out unaffected. 481 00:22:48,042 --> 00:22:51,667 Whereas that one, something is obviously very off. 482 00:22:51,667 --> 00:22:53,667 - It's really bizarre looking. 483 00:22:53,667 --> 00:22:55,417 Even in my years of experience, 484 00:22:55,417 --> 00:22:58,000 I've never seen anything that looks like this. 485 00:23:02,333 --> 00:23:04,375 - Our verdict, we agree with our experts 486 00:23:04,375 --> 00:23:08,583 that this is neither the work of bad science nor the devil, 487 00:23:08,583 --> 00:23:11,917 just some sort of birth defect that we can't identify. 488 00:23:11,917 --> 00:23:13,042 And as far as we can tell, 489 00:23:13,042 --> 00:23:15,417 recent sightings of the Maryland Goat Man 490 00:23:15,417 --> 00:23:17,625 have been few and far between. 491 00:23:17,625 --> 00:23:19,750 But folks still think he's out there somewhere. 492 00:23:24,708 --> 00:23:25,375 The Stanley Hotel in Colorado 493 00:23:25,833 --> 00:23:28,750 is known for inspiring the Overlook Hotel 494 00:23:28,750 --> 00:23:31,083 in Stephen King's classic novel, "The Shining," 495 00:23:31,083 --> 00:23:32,875 and for good reason. 496 00:23:32,875 --> 00:23:35,583 Ghost encounters have been reported there for decades. 497 00:23:35,583 --> 00:23:39,208 Everything from shadowy figures and disembodied voices, 498 00:23:39,208 --> 00:23:42,625 to what was captured in the photo you're about to see. 499 00:23:43,708 --> 00:23:48,083 November 21st, 2009, Estes Park, Colorado. 500 00:23:48,083 --> 00:23:51,708 Krissy Head is staying at the Stanley Hotel for a wedding. 501 00:23:52,375 --> 00:23:54,458 While taking a hotel tour, 502 00:23:54,458 --> 00:23:57,292 she passes a friend sitting in a hallway 503 00:23:57,292 --> 00:23:58,875 and stops to take a picture. 504 00:24:00,750 --> 00:24:04,292 On a first look, there's nothing out of the ordinary here. 505 00:24:04,292 --> 00:24:06,583 Krissy's friend is sitting on the left. 506 00:24:06,583 --> 00:24:08,792 But just take a look to the right. 507 00:24:10,667 --> 00:24:13,000 Behind the woman walking toward the camera 508 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,208 is the spectral outline of another woman 509 00:24:16,208 --> 00:24:17,667 seemingly turning the corner. 510 00:24:19,042 --> 00:24:23,042 You can see what looks to be a face, hair, and an arm. 511 00:24:23,042 --> 00:24:26,333 She also appears to be wearing a long dress. 512 00:24:26,333 --> 00:24:28,542 But the thing is, during an interview 513 00:24:28,542 --> 00:24:31,208 with a paranormal investigator, Krissy says, 514 00:24:31,208 --> 00:24:33,792 that ghostly woman was not there. 515 00:24:34,417 --> 00:24:36,042 - [Krissy] I don't remember anybody else 516 00:24:36,042 --> 00:24:37,208 coming around the corner. 517 00:24:37,208 --> 00:24:38,750 But it's very clear to me, 518 00:24:38,750 --> 00:24:40,750 I see the outline of a woman's body, 519 00:24:40,750 --> 00:24:43,667 and I think I noticed it 520 00:24:43,667 --> 00:24:47,500 when we were going back through photos 521 00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:50,750 later that night on my camera. 522 00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:52,542 - [Tony] That ghostly female figure 523 00:24:52,542 --> 00:24:55,708 is just the latest potentially paranormal encounter 524 00:24:55,708 --> 00:24:59,625 in the long and eerie history of the Stanley Hotel. 525 00:24:59,625 --> 00:25:03,708 - Since its opening in 1909, 526 00:25:03,708 --> 00:25:06,875 multiple guests have reported ghostly phenomena, 527 00:25:06,875 --> 00:25:09,667 such as cold spots in the rooms, 528 00:25:09,667 --> 00:25:12,750 a feeling like they get poked or shoved 529 00:25:12,750 --> 00:25:15,333 by some sort of unseen figure. 530 00:25:15,333 --> 00:25:19,042 - [Tony] But the hotel's most well-known paranormal story 531 00:25:19,042 --> 00:25:23,708 involved perhaps its most famous guest, Stephen King. 532 00:25:23,708 --> 00:25:25,708 - When Stephen King and his wife Tabitha 533 00:25:25,708 --> 00:25:27,042 stayed at the Stanley, 534 00:25:27,042 --> 00:25:30,042 the hotel was being closed up for the winter season. 535 00:25:30,042 --> 00:25:34,042 They were the only guests that night in the dining room. 536 00:25:34,042 --> 00:25:37,750 And if that weren't creepy enough, Steven had a nightmare 537 00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:42,250 that night in room 217 which involved a fire hose 538 00:25:42,250 --> 00:25:45,667 that was coiled up in the corridor outside his room 539 00:25:45,667 --> 00:25:50,375 uncoiling itself and chasing after his five-year-old son, 540 00:25:50,375 --> 00:25:53,875 events that you'll see in "The Shining." 541 00:25:53,875 --> 00:25:57,375 King's nightmare was not the only paranormal event 542 00:25:57,375 --> 00:25:59,958 to take place in room 217. 543 00:25:59,958 --> 00:26:03,000 Residents and guests have reported 544 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,583 seeing the ghost of Elizabeth Wilson, 545 00:26:06,583 --> 00:26:09,792 the chamber maid who was blown 546 00:26:09,792 --> 00:26:13,542 from the second to the first floor by an explosion 547 00:26:14,708 --> 00:26:17,042 in that room in 1911. 548 00:26:20,917 --> 00:26:25,208 - Ghost hunters try to detect spirits with an EMF meter. 549 00:26:25,208 --> 00:26:26,708 It measures fluctuations 550 00:26:26,708 --> 00:26:29,417 in the surrounding electromagnetic field, 551 00:26:29,417 --> 00:26:31,042 the theory being that spirits 552 00:26:31,042 --> 00:26:34,042 might be made from electromagnetic energy 553 00:26:34,042 --> 00:26:37,792 or interact with these fields in some way. 554 00:26:37,792 --> 00:26:40,500 But can a ghost be captured in photographs? 555 00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:42,042 Let's see what our experts say. 556 00:26:47,333 --> 00:26:52,042 First, how can we explain our mystery figure in the hallway? 557 00:26:52,042 --> 00:26:54,792 For one thing, we can take a closer look. 558 00:26:56,167 --> 00:26:58,417 - There's a number of other things going on in this image. 559 00:26:58,417 --> 00:26:59,917 We see in the background, 560 00:26:59,917 --> 00:27:01,417 these lights are all kind of blurred 561 00:27:01,417 --> 00:27:03,042 and they're stretched out, 562 00:27:03,042 --> 00:27:05,625 and this mirror which is stretched out in this direction. 563 00:27:05,625 --> 00:27:08,208 So everything is smeared in that direction, 564 00:27:08,208 --> 00:27:09,958 probably because of the motion of the camera 565 00:27:09,958 --> 00:27:13,042 'cause it's flashed, plus a slightly longer exposure. 566 00:27:13,042 --> 00:27:15,417 - [Tony] In other words, objects in the foreground 567 00:27:15,417 --> 00:27:18,708 that are closer to the camera's flash, like Krissy's friend, 568 00:27:18,708 --> 00:27:20,042 appears sharp. 569 00:27:20,042 --> 00:27:22,875 But objects farther away from the flash, 570 00:27:22,875 --> 00:27:26,667 like this woman walking toward the camera, get blurred, 571 00:27:26,667 --> 00:27:29,042 especially if the camera moved. 572 00:27:29,042 --> 00:27:32,083 - We see here this woman's head has a shadow behind it, 573 00:27:32,083 --> 00:27:35,875 kind of a dark shadow, also stretch out in that direction, 574 00:27:35,875 --> 00:27:39,875 which makes you think that, is this perhaps an actual dress, 575 00:27:39,875 --> 00:27:45,000 or could it be just the shadow of her sweatshirt here? 576 00:27:46,375 --> 00:27:48,958 And if we look down here, her leg actually kind of matches 577 00:27:48,958 --> 00:27:52,542 with her hand here on the edge of her shorts here. 578 00:27:52,542 --> 00:27:54,250 So is this actually a ghostly leg, 579 00:27:54,250 --> 00:27:57,083 or is this just a little bit of a camera artifact 580 00:27:57,083 --> 00:27:59,792 from the motion of the camera and her hand? 581 00:27:59,792 --> 00:28:01,708 The most likely thing to me 582 00:28:01,708 --> 00:28:05,000 is that it's just an artifact of the camera 583 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,792 and it just happens to look like a person. 584 00:28:08,792 --> 00:28:10,833 - [Tony] There's another issue with the ghost theory. 585 00:28:10,833 --> 00:28:12,708 Krissy said she didn't see it 586 00:28:12,708 --> 00:28:14,250 when she took the photo in the hall. 587 00:28:14,250 --> 00:28:17,583 That suggests the apparition is invisible. 588 00:28:17,583 --> 00:28:20,875 So how could any camera capture it on film? 589 00:28:20,875 --> 00:28:23,833 - If an object is truly transparent, 590 00:28:23,833 --> 00:28:25,708 you can't actually photograph it. 591 00:28:25,708 --> 00:28:27,875 You need light to bounce off of it 592 00:28:27,875 --> 00:28:30,708 and enter the device you're using 593 00:28:30,708 --> 00:28:33,625 to capture an image of that. 594 00:28:33,625 --> 00:28:37,958 There's just too much blurriness in this photo 595 00:28:37,958 --> 00:28:40,458 due to a lack of focus, due to motion, 596 00:28:40,458 --> 00:28:43,458 either of the individuals being photographed, 597 00:28:43,458 --> 00:28:45,083 the camera itself, or both. 598 00:28:45,083 --> 00:28:49,167 I think that all of these much more mundane explanations 599 00:28:49,167 --> 00:28:52,583 make it so that we don't need to jump 600 00:28:52,583 --> 00:28:55,042 to any paranormal explanation here. 601 00:29:01,042 --> 00:29:03,500 - Our verdict, camera distortion. 602 00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:05,000 We agree with Mick West. 603 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,875 No ghosts here, just a person distorted by motion, 604 00:29:08,875 --> 00:29:10,917 distance, and the lighting. 605 00:29:10,917 --> 00:29:12,542 But if anyone out there is planning 606 00:29:12,542 --> 00:29:15,625 a stay at the Stanley anytime soon, a word of advice. 607 00:29:15,625 --> 00:29:17,250 If you scare easy, avoid room 217. 608 00:29:23,208 --> 00:29:24,833 - The line between legend and history 609 00:29:24,833 --> 00:29:27,083 often gets blurred over time. 610 00:29:27,083 --> 00:29:30,917 Stories get embellished, documentation gets lost. 611 00:29:30,917 --> 00:29:33,042 But sometimes, researchers make a find 612 00:29:33,042 --> 00:29:35,542 that proves a myth might be real. 613 00:29:35,542 --> 00:29:36,917 And in this case, 614 00:29:36,917 --> 00:29:39,792 the proof was found at the bottom of a well. 615 00:29:40,833 --> 00:29:45,042 1938, Sverresborg Castle in central Norway, 616 00:29:45,042 --> 00:29:48,208 a team of archeologists is excavating a well 617 00:29:48,208 --> 00:29:50,708 on the grounds of this 12th century landmark, 618 00:29:50,708 --> 00:29:53,208 the first medieval castle in Norway. 619 00:29:53,208 --> 00:29:55,167 Digging down through layers of stone, 620 00:29:55,167 --> 00:29:57,542 they're more than 20 feet underground 621 00:29:57,542 --> 00:30:00,083 when they suddenly find this. 622 00:30:00,083 --> 00:30:03,292 A partial skeleton is embedded in the mud. 623 00:30:03,292 --> 00:30:06,875 A closer look reveals a torso and spine, 624 00:30:06,875 --> 00:30:09,042 with most of the ribcage still visible, 625 00:30:09,042 --> 00:30:11,333 along with one of the hip bones. 626 00:30:11,333 --> 00:30:14,708 But before any serious study can be done, 627 00:30:14,708 --> 00:30:17,125 world War II interrupts. 628 00:30:17,125 --> 00:30:22,125 Nearly 80 years later, a new excavation turns up more bones, 629 00:30:22,958 --> 00:30:24,833 including a left hand and a skull. 630 00:30:25,958 --> 00:30:27,417 - We could see on the skull 631 00:30:27,417 --> 00:30:31,583 that there is a heavy trauma on the back right side. 632 00:30:31,583 --> 00:30:36,000 It was fresh when he fell in or was thrown into the well. 633 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,958 But we can't say for certain what actually killed him. 634 00:30:39,958 --> 00:30:43,083 - [Tony] Now, this story takes a really cool twist, 635 00:30:43,083 --> 00:30:45,708 because in this case, what science can't answer, 636 00:30:45,708 --> 00:30:47,333 local legend can. 637 00:30:48,958 --> 00:30:53,042 - Almost immediately, they connect these bones with a story 638 00:30:53,792 --> 00:30:56,792 from a book called Sverres Saga, 639 00:30:56,792 --> 00:30:59,875 which is about King Sverre, in Norway, 640 00:30:59,875 --> 00:31:01,875 from the 12th century. 641 00:31:01,875 --> 00:31:05,667 It discusses all of his wars, his battles, 642 00:31:05,667 --> 00:31:07,833 his heroic speeches. 643 00:31:07,833 --> 00:31:09,917 - [Tony] Among the tales from this text 644 00:31:09,917 --> 00:31:13,542 is a rival clan's siege on Sverresborg Castle 645 00:31:13,542 --> 00:31:15,292 in the year 1197. 646 00:31:15,292 --> 00:31:19,417 - There's one line in the saga where it says, 647 00:31:19,417 --> 00:31:21,958 they took a guy who was already dead, 648 00:31:21,958 --> 00:31:26,125 and threw him in the well and covered him with rocks. 649 00:31:26,125 --> 00:31:29,042 - [Tony] Some people don't buy that he was already dead. 650 00:31:29,042 --> 00:31:30,833 An even weirder theory 651 00:31:30,833 --> 00:31:33,667 is that something in the well killed him, 652 00:31:33,667 --> 00:31:38,000 a troll, called a Brondmand, said to live in wells. 653 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,042 - The Brondmand often carries a crook. 654 00:31:41,042 --> 00:31:44,875 So if a child, or maybe even an adult, 655 00:31:44,875 --> 00:31:47,542 is leaning too far over the well, 656 00:31:47,542 --> 00:31:49,708 they'll take the crook and pull them into the well 657 00:31:49,708 --> 00:31:50,625 so that they die. 658 00:31:52,208 --> 00:31:55,292 Legends are generally based upon the fears of the populace. 659 00:31:55,292 --> 00:32:00,167 And there are cases where people fall into wells and die. 660 00:32:00,167 --> 00:32:03,500 So could this be proof that the legends were true? 661 00:32:06,125 --> 00:32:08,708 - This would not be the first medieval legend 662 00:32:08,708 --> 00:32:10,708 to have a shred of truth. 663 00:32:10,708 --> 00:32:12,208 Some claim that Merlin, 664 00:32:12,208 --> 00:32:15,208 the famous wizard of a Arthurian legend, 665 00:32:15,208 --> 00:32:18,083 is based in part on the medieval Welsh poet and prophet 666 00:32:18,083 --> 00:32:20,042 Myrddin than the Wild. 667 00:32:20,042 --> 00:32:24,167 Could our Wellman legend also be based in reality? 668 00:32:24,167 --> 00:32:25,625 Let's ask our experts. 669 00:32:30,292 --> 00:32:33,042 First, could our Wellman have been a victim 670 00:32:33,042 --> 00:32:36,542 of the well-dwelling monster known as the Brondmand? 671 00:32:36,542 --> 00:32:40,250 The issue there is that if the Brondmand had really existed, 672 00:32:40,250 --> 00:32:43,458 it would have made life almost unlivable for everybody. 673 00:32:43,458 --> 00:32:46,625 - If you do not have a pure water source, 674 00:32:46,625 --> 00:32:50,917 it would be extremely difficult in these times. 675 00:32:50,917 --> 00:32:52,000 You're not gonna survive, 676 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,375 because everything depends on it, 677 00:32:53,375 --> 00:32:56,208 your crops, your animals, the people. 678 00:32:56,208 --> 00:32:59,708 So I think the Brondmand is more or less used 679 00:32:59,708 --> 00:33:04,042 to scare children from hanging around wells. 680 00:33:04,042 --> 00:33:06,625 - [Tony] So could our Wellman be the dead body 681 00:33:06,625 --> 00:33:08,708 mentioned in the Sverres Saga? 682 00:33:08,708 --> 00:33:12,292 - The skeleton does come from about 900 years ago, 683 00:33:12,292 --> 00:33:14,208 just when that saga was written. 684 00:33:14,208 --> 00:33:17,708 And we've done DNA studies on the skeleton, 685 00:33:17,708 --> 00:33:21,875 which do show that this person was of Danish descent, 686 00:33:21,875 --> 00:33:24,792 with blonde hair, blue eyes. 687 00:33:24,792 --> 00:33:29,375 The DNA shows that he was part of the invading force 688 00:33:29,375 --> 00:33:33,458 who came from another area some distance away. 689 00:33:33,458 --> 00:33:36,333 - [Tony] In other words, the forensic findings 690 00:33:36,333 --> 00:33:39,375 confirm the line from the Sverres Saga 691 00:33:39,375 --> 00:33:42,542 about a man from a rival clan being tossed into a well 692 00:33:42,542 --> 00:33:45,833 during the siege on King Sverre's castle. 693 00:33:45,833 --> 00:33:47,917 But why would anybody do this? 694 00:33:47,917 --> 00:33:50,583 According to the text of the Sverres Saga, 695 00:33:50,583 --> 00:33:53,583 it was a grisly but effective war tactic, 696 00:33:53,583 --> 00:33:55,542 and the evidence matches. 697 00:33:55,542 --> 00:33:58,250 - If this was a person who already died, 698 00:33:58,250 --> 00:34:00,542 throwing a body down in the well 699 00:34:00,542 --> 00:34:03,708 would definitely pollute that water 700 00:34:03,708 --> 00:34:06,208 and get the people who were using it sick, 701 00:34:06,208 --> 00:34:09,292 and eventually they could invade the keep. 702 00:34:09,292 --> 00:34:13,250 That's certainly a cold and mercenary hypothesis, 703 00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:15,500 but it's not out of the realm of possibility. 704 00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:22,833 - Our verdict, true story. 705 00:34:22,833 --> 00:34:24,375 The Wellman is no myth. 706 00:34:24,375 --> 00:34:27,708 The forensic examination backs up the story 707 00:34:27,708 --> 00:34:30,125 that's told in the Sverres Saga. 708 00:34:30,125 --> 00:34:32,792 On this show, we often ask whether the folklore of 709 00:34:32,792 --> 00:34:36,708 ancient or so-called primitive cultures might be real. 710 00:34:36,708 --> 00:34:38,292 In this case, the answer is yes. 711 00:34:43,542 --> 00:34:45,042 - Fish tend to be quiet creatures, 712 00:34:45,042 --> 00:34:48,042 but they do communicate in their own way. 713 00:34:48,042 --> 00:34:49,708 Using specific movements, 714 00:34:49,708 --> 00:34:51,375 they say things to other fish, 715 00:34:51,375 --> 00:34:53,708 like, this is my coral, 716 00:34:53,708 --> 00:34:55,542 or, follow me to food. 717 00:34:55,542 --> 00:34:58,333 But lately, some fish off the coast of Florida 718 00:34:58,333 --> 00:35:00,958 had been moving very strangely. 719 00:35:00,958 --> 00:35:03,167 What are they trying to say? 720 00:35:04,583 --> 00:35:09,042 It's October 6th, 2023 in the Florida Keys. 721 00:35:09,042 --> 00:35:11,708 Gregg Furstenwerth is out for a night dive 722 00:35:11,708 --> 00:35:14,333 when he sees something peculiar in the water. 723 00:35:16,167 --> 00:35:20,000 A distressed pinfish is spinning over and over 724 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,250 in upside down circles. 725 00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:23,833 - I just know that I was recording 726 00:35:23,833 --> 00:35:25,208 something odd at the time, 727 00:35:25,208 --> 00:35:27,542 and then I decided to ask people around me 728 00:35:27,542 --> 00:35:29,708 if they had ever seen the behavior before, 729 00:35:29,708 --> 00:35:31,958 but nobody had any answers. 730 00:35:31,958 --> 00:35:33,458 - [Tony] On subsequent dives, 731 00:35:33,458 --> 00:35:37,375 Gregg observes the same behavior again and again. 732 00:35:37,375 --> 00:35:39,458 - I was noticing it in a vast array of species. 733 00:35:39,458 --> 00:35:43,375 My wife and I recorded 78 species that were impacted. 734 00:35:43,375 --> 00:35:44,250 Oh, no. 735 00:35:45,417 --> 00:35:47,583 - [Tony] From pinfish, to mangrove snappers, 736 00:35:47,583 --> 00:35:49,583 to Goliath groupers, 737 00:35:49,583 --> 00:35:51,417 these fish aren't just spinning for fun, 738 00:35:51,417 --> 00:35:53,125 they're spinning until it kills them. 739 00:35:53,125 --> 00:35:55,667 - Look at that. That's a baby Goliath. 740 00:35:55,667 --> 00:35:57,792 That one took about two and a half hours 741 00:35:57,792 --> 00:35:59,417 to die in front of me, 742 00:35:59,417 --> 00:36:01,208 and that's a protected species, 743 00:36:01,208 --> 00:36:05,208 which really set me to, this is a serious problem. 744 00:36:05,208 --> 00:36:08,542 - [Tony] Gregg and his observations make national news, 745 00:36:08,542 --> 00:36:12,042 drawing attention to the deepening marine mystery. 746 00:36:12,042 --> 00:36:15,917 - Probably of greatest concern is the smalltooth sawfish. 747 00:36:15,917 --> 00:36:17,458 It's very endangered. 748 00:36:17,458 --> 00:36:20,417 And sure enough, just a month after this video was taken, 749 00:36:20,417 --> 00:36:22,042 marine biologists identified 750 00:36:22,042 --> 00:36:24,583 over 20 of the smalltooth sawfish 751 00:36:24,583 --> 00:36:27,333 had been inflicted by whatever's going on here. 752 00:36:27,333 --> 00:36:29,000 - [Tony] What's causing all this? 753 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,833 Some wonder if it could involve some aquatic alien activity. 754 00:36:34,083 --> 00:36:38,000 - In January, 2025, Congressman Tim Burchett 755 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,500 actually said that he believes 756 00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:42,875 there are alien bases beneath our oceans. 757 00:36:42,875 --> 00:36:47,458 As ridiculous and improbable as that may sound, 758 00:36:47,458 --> 00:36:49,333 we as humans have actually been working 759 00:36:49,333 --> 00:36:51,208 on creating underwater bases. 760 00:36:51,208 --> 00:36:54,042 Currently we have the Aquarius Reef Base, 761 00:36:54,042 --> 00:36:56,458 which, as a scientist, I absolutely love. 762 00:36:56,458 --> 00:36:59,042 This was established to host researchers 763 00:36:59,042 --> 00:37:00,542 to conduct experiments, 764 00:37:00,542 --> 00:37:03,583 and researchers there are referred to as aquanauts. 765 00:37:04,875 --> 00:37:07,708 - [Tony] If aliens are also operating underwater, 766 00:37:07,708 --> 00:37:10,167 what does that mean for the animals living there? 767 00:37:11,375 --> 00:37:13,958 - People are suggesting that perhaps frequencies, 768 00:37:13,958 --> 00:37:15,375 or other more sinister things, 769 00:37:15,375 --> 00:37:18,542 might be affecting fish in the estuaries. 770 00:37:18,542 --> 00:37:21,208 Fish have something called a lateral line, 771 00:37:21,208 --> 00:37:23,250 so they can feel vibrations. 772 00:37:23,250 --> 00:37:25,250 The lateral line is actually what enables fish 773 00:37:25,250 --> 00:37:26,542 to school together, 774 00:37:26,542 --> 00:37:28,708 because one slight change in one fish 775 00:37:28,708 --> 00:37:32,417 is felt on their side by all the other fish in the school 776 00:37:32,417 --> 00:37:34,250 and they can navigate accordingly. 777 00:37:34,250 --> 00:37:37,417 That means fish are very much more sensitive 778 00:37:37,417 --> 00:37:39,333 to vibrations in their environments. 779 00:37:41,292 --> 00:37:45,208 - We also know that human craft can harm sea life. 780 00:37:45,208 --> 00:37:47,417 For decades, research studies have suggested 781 00:37:47,417 --> 00:37:51,125 a link between navy sonar and whale beachings. 782 00:37:51,125 --> 00:37:54,125 Could something like that be what we're looking at here? 783 00:37:54,125 --> 00:37:55,750 Let's ask the experts. 784 00:37:59,833 --> 00:38:03,125 The spinning fish phenomenon is certainly strange, 785 00:38:03,125 --> 00:38:06,875 but is it underwater-alien-base strange? 786 00:38:06,875 --> 00:38:09,417 - The Florida Keys are a really populated area, 787 00:38:09,417 --> 00:38:10,667 and I would expect, 788 00:38:10,667 --> 00:38:12,875 if there were something incredibly strange 789 00:38:12,875 --> 00:38:14,375 harming animals, 790 00:38:14,375 --> 00:38:18,708 we would also see it in things like manatees, birds, 791 00:38:18,708 --> 00:38:20,292 and even reptiles. 792 00:38:20,292 --> 00:38:22,875 This phenomenon, whatever it is, 793 00:38:22,875 --> 00:38:25,917 seems to be directly linked to fish. 794 00:38:25,917 --> 00:38:29,667 - [Tony] And we can rule out sonar for a similar reason. 795 00:38:29,667 --> 00:38:32,542 - We would see dozens if not hundreds of animals 796 00:38:32,542 --> 00:38:34,208 on the surface of the water. 797 00:38:34,208 --> 00:38:37,875 For example, in September of 2002, 798 00:38:37,875 --> 00:38:39,208 there was a mass stranding 799 00:38:39,208 --> 00:38:41,083 of beaked whales in the Canary Islands, 800 00:38:41,083 --> 00:38:44,750 and this was directly tied to sonar activities. 801 00:38:44,750 --> 00:38:46,583 - [Tony] Instead, this may tie back 802 00:38:46,583 --> 00:38:48,542 to a major marine heat wave 803 00:38:48,542 --> 00:38:52,375 that hit the Florida Keys in summer 2023. 804 00:38:52,375 --> 00:38:54,500 - In the tidal zone along these areas, 805 00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:57,875 water got to above a hundred degrees, 806 00:38:57,875 --> 00:39:00,375 which is equivalent to a hot tub. 807 00:39:00,375 --> 00:39:04,208 And these warm temps can make things like pathogens, 808 00:39:04,208 --> 00:39:07,917 and parasites, and bacteria, and viruses, 809 00:39:07,917 --> 00:39:10,667 reproduce even more quickly. 810 00:39:10,667 --> 00:39:14,458 - Scientists determined there is a higher concentration 811 00:39:14,458 --> 00:39:18,208 of dinoflagellates in the water. 812 00:39:18,208 --> 00:39:20,542 This species is a single celled organism 813 00:39:20,542 --> 00:39:24,250 that normally lives on the bottom of the ocean, 814 00:39:24,250 --> 00:39:27,375 but warmer temperatures have caused it 815 00:39:27,375 --> 00:39:29,792 to go higher up in the water column, 816 00:39:29,792 --> 00:39:33,042 and these can produce neurotoxins. 817 00:39:33,042 --> 00:39:34,542 - [Tony] That was the consensus, 818 00:39:34,542 --> 00:39:36,208 but then something happened. 819 00:39:36,208 --> 00:39:38,125 The behavior recurred, 820 00:39:38,125 --> 00:39:42,833 this time in places without high levels of dinoflagellates. 821 00:39:42,833 --> 00:39:45,708 - The reality is, there's a lot going on 822 00:39:45,708 --> 00:39:48,167 that we don't totally understand, 823 00:39:48,167 --> 00:39:50,917 and the only way we're gonna be able to 824 00:39:50,917 --> 00:39:53,500 a hundred percent define what's going on here 825 00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:56,917 is through molecular sequencing and diagnostics 826 00:39:56,917 --> 00:40:00,583 of both the fish and whatever's affecting it. 827 00:40:04,708 --> 00:40:06,833 - Our verdict, unexplained. 828 00:40:06,833 --> 00:40:10,000 We think toxins can affect fish behavior, 829 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,708 but the more recent reports of spinning fish 830 00:40:12,708 --> 00:40:15,000 make us question their role here. 831 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,125 Meanwhile, a 2004 ban on military sonar 832 00:40:18,125 --> 00:40:19,750 surrounding the Canary Islands 833 00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:23,417 led to a major reduction in whale beaching there. 834 00:40:23,417 --> 00:40:26,125 Let that be a lesson to all of us. 835 00:40:26,125 --> 00:40:27,292 That's our show for tonight. 836 00:40:27,292 --> 00:40:29,417 Thank you so much for watching. 837 00:40:29,417 --> 00:40:33,208 And as always, keep those cameras rolling. 838 00:40:33,208 --> 00:40:35,875 [dramatic music]