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[Shaun] Previously on 90 Day:
The Single Life "Tell All"...

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[Chantel] I feel amazing
coming into this "Tell All"
as a single woman.

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I've been through the wringer.

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I don't give a [bleep]
anymore.

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Where's Chantel?

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I heard she has
her own makeup team.

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It's like, "Whoa!

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We're with the royalty now."

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Chantel,
"I'm not wearing panties."

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It's like, uh-uh,
that's not a good way
to define yourself.

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[Shaun] Wow, Josh asked
for another chance?

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-He broke up with you...
-In text.

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...over a text message
with a peace sign emoji?

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Yeah. Quality, dude.

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I did not break up with her
through text. That's [bleep].

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-You didn't even call me.
-[Jamal] Yes, I did.

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I texted you again saying,
"Can we talk?"

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You said you
don't wanna talk.

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I was waiting
for the explanation.

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You just hid.

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We didn't work.

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[intense music playing]

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I'm 32 years old.

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I look good. I want my man
to look good too.

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A guy with a six pack abs
or hung like a horse,

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it's not going to fix
the broken part of you.

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I was just trying
to have a good vacation.

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We can't brag
about not wearing panties.

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[intense music playing]

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Oh, Lord.

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You were like,
"Okay, I'm a piece of meat,

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and I'm desirable."

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This is how I live my life.
And this is me.

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You're more than that,
Chantel.

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Oh, Lord.

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Do I get to go?

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[Shaun] Well, I want to get
someone very close to Chantel

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in on this conversation.

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And there is nobody
closer to Chantel

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or more outspoken
than her mother.

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So we are going
to bring her out now.

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Please welcome
Chantel's mom, Karen.

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-Hi, Karen!
-[Chantel] Oh,
there's my beautiful mother.

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Yes, baby.

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Give me a hug, Mama.

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[Karen] Hi. Hey, girl. Hey.

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[laughing]

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[Shaun] Karen, once again,
it is good to see you.

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-[Karen] Hi.
-[Shaun] Okay.

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Karen, What did you think
about Chantel's divorce party
in Greece?

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I think it was probably
a whole lot of fun
and necessary.

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Most necessary.

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Did you have any problem
with my outfits or anything?

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Everybody has
their own preference.

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Her way of expressing herself,
especially when she's
trying to heal

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from being married to a...

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Anyway,
I don't even wanna say that.

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You can say [bleep].

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[laughs]

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So, Ms. Debbie,
you've heard Karen's response

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-to how Chantel
was dressing.
-[Debbie] Right. Right.

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[Shaun] What would
you say to her?

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Well, we're both mothers.

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We want to protect
our daughters
from further hurt.

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You know, it's like,
my daughter is more than
a sex object.

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My daughter
has intelligence.

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That's your daughter.
We're intelligent women.

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[Debbie] No,
I'm talking about Chantel.

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We're intelligent women,

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-but we also love our bodies.
-That's just what I said.

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That's the way we are.

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Even if we might be
the kind of people

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that might like being nakie.
For real.

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That's us, seriously.

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It sends out a wrong message
that your daughter
is a sex object.

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She's more than a sex object.

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We are more.

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[Karen]
We're more than sex objects,
but we are sexy women.

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There's nothing wrong
with being sexy,
but don't broadcast,

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"I'm not wearing
panties tonight."

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She is higher than that,

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but think she's damaged
from Pedro

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and his asinine family.

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But that's not why
she likes dressing sexy.

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Well, no, that's...
No...

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But I'm saying her friends
pushed her

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over the limit of sex.

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And that is why
she needed me there.

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-[Debbie] Exactly.
-[Karen] Exactly.

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-Exactly.
-And I will be there
next time you go.

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[Natalie] Oh, God.

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[laughing]

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I got it being like
she was hurt still
from the divorce.

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So I think it's just kind of
a way to make her
feel sexy and wanted.

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-You know what I mean?
-Yeah.

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I even stated
that I don't think I'm gonna
find my husband in a bar.

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Like, I really don't think
I'm gonna find my man
like out in the club.

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I was trying to have fun
with my divorce party.

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[laughs]

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[Shaun] Well, we know
you did have a lot of fun

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and that you did meet a man
named Giannis.

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Let's take a look back
at the first moments
of your relationship.

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[Giannis speaking]

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Oh!

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Are you going to give me
a reason to?

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Sorry, guys.
[chuckles]

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[Giannis speaking]

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[Giannis] That was good.

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Yay! High five.

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Okay, but now
it's my turn again.

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[Giannis whispers]

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[Chantel whispers]

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Okay.

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All right.

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If you could come
to the United States
to visit me there,

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that would show a lot.

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Okay.

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Why not?

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Okay, so the big question,
Chantel, is are you still
in touch with Giannis?

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-I am.
-[Shaun] You are. Okay.

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How often do you two talk?

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[Chantel] It's so hard.

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I have to call him
at 5:00 a.m. before work
'cause of the time difference.

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How would you define
your relationship?

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I'm single, but I really am
interested in Giannis.

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I like him a lot.

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But I am worried

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because I've felt
like this before

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and, um, hmm,
it didn't go well,

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-so it's like
I'm cautious about it.
-[Shaun] Uh-huh.

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Your list of expectations.

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Did Giannis check
all of those boxes, Chantel?

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-He checked some.
-[Shaun] He did? Okay.

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Which ones did he check?

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Successful?

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-Do you consider him
successful?
-Yeah.

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A successful soccer player.

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-[Shaun] Adventurous?
-Adventurous, right.

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You said patient.

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We'll see how patient he is.
It's just, we need more time.

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Yeah, and well endowed?

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[snickers]

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Well endowed.

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I'm not exactly sure,
but I felt it a little bit

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when we were
in the water at the beach.

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[all laughing]

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But that shouldn't be
a prerequisite.

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Some people like
what they like.

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I think he's sexy
with his body.

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I'm sorry to keep talking
about it, but it's impressive.

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Like he's got the abs,

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he's got the dreamy eyes,

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he's got little curly hair.

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[Debbie] Well, Pedro
had that, too.

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We're looking for
the intellectual capacity

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and the ability to trust,
honor, and respect.

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Well, but it's the abs
and the eyes that are gonna
bring her in,

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so she gets to know him
in his head and heart.

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You've experienced that,
too, Veronica.

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Veronica you've been attracted
to "the package."

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It's like, but we're...
you're still single, too.

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-[Debbie] It's like...
-[both laugh]

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[laughing]

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[Debbie] We want to
re-evaluate our choices,
you know.

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-Re-evaluate our choices.
-That was like...

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[Debbie]
That's all I'm saying.

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...the slightest shade
I've ever seen
in my life, man.

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We can't look for a man
that's hung like a horse.

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We've got to look at
what's above the belt.

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I want what
I've never had.

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-[Tyray] Oh, my God.
-[Debbie] What?

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[Debbie] Pedro. I'm sure
Pedro was, you know...

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Pinky Winky.

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I want something
that I've never had before,

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something
I've never seen before.

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Hey, it's not fair to talk
about a man's penis

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when he's not here
to defend himself.

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[Chantel] Listen.

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Okay, that's like
penis rule number 101.

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[Chantel]
I didn't say anybody's names.

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I'm not talking about anybody.
I'm just talking about
what I'm talking about.

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[snickers]

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Since Chantel and Giannis
are still in touch,

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let's bring him
into the conversation
connecting to us

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from his home in Greece.

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Please welcome Giannis.

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Hi, Giannis.

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[Shaun] How are you?

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Can you see me?

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Thank you.

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Chantel, why don't you
officially introduce
your mother to Giannis?

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Giannis,

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this is my mother, Karen.

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Karen. Giannis.

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-[Karen] Hi, Giannis.
-Hello.

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[Shaun] Karen, you've heard
so much about Giannis.

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You've heard Chantel
talk about him.

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Are there any questions
you would like to ask Giannis?

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-Yes.
-[Shaun] Go right ahead.

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[Karen] How many siblings
do you have in your family?

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Okay, and how old
is your sister?

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When you have had girlfriends
in the past,

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has your sister gotten along
with most of them?

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Mom, please don't.

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Please, please,
please, Mom.

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If Giannis
is a pro foosball player...

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[laughs]
Foosball, Mommy.

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[overlapping conversations]

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[Karen] Is it foosball?

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Foosball.

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Wait a minute now.

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[Karen] Is it football?

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So if you're a professional
ball player,

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are you playing
most of the time

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with very minimal breaks
or, yeah?

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[Chantel] This is new.

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You're grilling my partners,
and you're, like,

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-really hard on them.
-Especially when they
give me a reason.

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Especially when they give
the wrong answers.

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Karen, when Chantel
called you from Greece,

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you told her not to bring home
another man who needs a visa.

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Well, yes,
the reason being, I'm sorry,

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but yeah, you need to get
your own visa to come here,

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50/50 in effort.

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[Giannis speaking]

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[Shaun] So, Giannis,
what is it about Chantel

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that makes you want to pursue
a long-distance relationship?

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[Shaun] Giannis, what did you
think about that dress
she had on in Greece?

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He loved it.

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[Chantel]
I agree with Giannis.

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We're on the same page.

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When am I gonna
see you again?

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Giannis, do you have any plans
to come to visit Chantel
in the States?

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[Shaun] When do you think
that might be possible?

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Why is it so hard for you
to come here?

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[Tim] Of course.

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We just watched the clip
where you said,
you were gonna come visit her,

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and then she would come
visit you. It's your turn.

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So wait, do you need a visa
to come here from Greece?
I don't know.

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He should have
checked that out already
after four months.

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You've got this
waiting on you,

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and you can't figure it out
in four months?

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And he doesn't even know
if he needs a visa?

244
00:12:43,379 --> 00:12:45,413
[Veronica] I don't know
why he's wasting her time
at this point.

245
00:12:45,413 --> 00:12:48,275
-This guy's not putting
his money where his mouth is.
-You're waiting on him.

246
00:12:48,275 --> 00:12:50,172
Well, she did say
she was single, but...

247
00:12:50,172 --> 00:12:52,758
Chantel, what are you
thinking right now?

248
00:12:56,689 --> 00:13:02,379
I'm wondering if I'm worth it
to you to come here,

249
00:13:02,379 --> 00:13:07,172
to like research visas
and take time out

250
00:13:07,172 --> 00:13:09,655
from your soccer schedule
to come here.

251
00:13:13,275 --> 00:13:15,793
Zero effort. Zero effort.

252
00:13:15,793 --> 00:13:19,241
Like really, like,
am I worth it?

253
00:13:27,103 --> 00:13:28,275
Okay...

254
00:13:28,275 --> 00:13:31,379
[Debbie] I don't think
he's making Chantel
a priority.

255
00:13:31,379 --> 00:13:32,482
-[scoffs]
-[Tim] Zero.

256
00:13:32,482 --> 00:13:34,793
You know, I don't think
we should attack him.

257
00:13:34,793 --> 00:13:38,103
I still consider
this connection new.

258
00:13:38,103 --> 00:13:39,206
[scoffs]

259
00:13:39,206 --> 00:13:42,172
Karen, how do you feel
about Chantel

260
00:13:42,172 --> 00:13:46,620
finally moving on
from her relationship?

261
00:13:46,620 --> 00:13:50,793
I'm really happy
that she's having more success
in the healing process.

262
00:13:50,793 --> 00:13:53,482
She's come a long way,
but she still has
a long way to go.

263
00:13:53,482 --> 00:13:55,172
Mmm-hmm.

264
00:13:55,172 --> 00:13:59,793
Well, one thing Chantel
might not have mentioned
to Giannis,

265
00:13:59,793 --> 00:14:04,482
but was nonetheless
on her mind,
was her ex-husband, Pedro.

266
00:14:04,482 --> 00:14:08,275
Let's look back
at how her past
affected her present.

267
00:14:08,275 --> 00:14:11,655
Oh, Lord, I can't watch,
so I'm just gonna turn
my head this way.

268
00:14:14,793 --> 00:14:16,655
[in Spanish]

269
00:14:17,275 --> 00:14:18,551
[in English] Soccer, you mean?

270
00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,172
I said it in Spanish.

271
00:14:20,172 --> 00:14:22,965
Yeah, fútbol americano
is like...

272
00:14:24,482 --> 00:14:26,448
She wanna know,
can she ride more?

273
00:14:28,896 --> 00:14:33,793
I was turned on
by this joyride.

274
00:14:38,482 --> 00:14:39,827
[Mooney] That's it!
That's...

275
00:14:41,586 --> 00:14:48,068
It got my adrenaline going
and it felt wrong,
but it felt good.

276
00:14:48,068 --> 00:14:50,896
Was it fast? Was it slow?
'Cause he said he wanted you
to ride some more.

277
00:14:50,896 --> 00:14:51,827
[Chantel]
I haven't been on like...

278
00:14:51,827 --> 00:14:53,103
I said, was it fast,
was it slow,

279
00:14:53,103 --> 00:14:55,068
'cause he wants you
to ride some more.

280
00:14:55,068 --> 00:14:56,965
-Was it fast
or was it slow?
-No!

281
00:14:57,482 --> 00:14:59,241
No! No.

282
00:15:04,103 --> 00:15:06,275
No! Hell no.
We're not going there.

283
00:15:06,275 --> 00:15:07,517
-No, no, no, no.
-[Chantel] Oh, my God. No!

284
00:15:07,517 --> 00:15:10,655
-[Chantel speaking]
-[Kayleigh and Destinee]
Stop. Stop.

285
00:15:14,620 --> 00:15:15,379
No.

286
00:15:15,379 --> 00:15:18,275
When Pedro
filed for divorce,

287
00:15:18,275 --> 00:15:21,275
the rug was definitely ripped
out from under me,

288
00:15:21,275 --> 00:15:23,344
and the wind
knocked out of me.

289
00:15:24,482 --> 00:15:26,482
I'm about to get mismatched.

290
00:15:26,482 --> 00:15:27,586
Don't turn the energy.

291
00:15:27,586 --> 00:15:29,068
Do not do that.

292
00:15:33,310 --> 00:15:35,275
Hey, girl,
what is going on right now?

293
00:15:35,275 --> 00:15:37,000
[Destinee]
What are you crying about?

294
00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,068
-[Mooney] Here, honey. Here.
-It's real.

295
00:15:40,103 --> 00:15:41,448
[Chantel crying]

296
00:15:43,896 --> 00:15:48,620
Wow, Chantel,
that was kinda hard
looking back at that, right?

297
00:15:48,620 --> 00:15:49,896
What were you thinking?

298
00:15:51,379 --> 00:15:52,896
[sighs]
I mean, it's just hard

299
00:15:52,896 --> 00:15:59,172
because as much
as I am trying to heal

300
00:15:59,172 --> 00:16:02,000
and move on, it still hurts.

301
00:16:03,793 --> 00:16:06,896
But I'm trying
to still believe in love,

302
00:16:06,896 --> 00:16:09,068
that there's still like,
you know,

303
00:16:09,827 --> 00:16:11,862
something for me,
something more.

304
00:16:14,379 --> 00:16:16,482
[intense music playing]

305
00:16:17,482 --> 00:16:19,068
[Chantel]
I don't want to talk anymore.

306
00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,172
[Shaun] Giannis...

307
00:16:31,275 --> 00:16:32,379
[Shaun] Coming up...

308
00:16:32,379 --> 00:16:35,000
This is embarrassing.
How am I ever gonna move on?

309
00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,482
[Shaun] I'm wondering,
Giannis,

310
00:16:36,482 --> 00:16:41,551
do you feel like Chantel
is not ready to be
in an exclusive relationship?

311
00:16:48,379 --> 00:16:50,551
[intense music playing]

312
00:16:51,586 --> 00:16:52,862
[Shaun] And later...

313
00:16:59,068 --> 00:17:00,517
That is disgusting.

314
00:17:00,517 --> 00:17:02,068
[Natalie speaking]

315
00:17:10,689 --> 00:17:12,862
[intense music playing]

316
00:17:17,619 --> 00:17:19,827
[intense music playing]

317
00:17:26,172 --> 00:17:28,344
[music stops]

318
00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,000
[Chantel] That's embarrassing.

319
00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,275
Like, I just don't want
to talk about the past at all
ever again.

320
00:17:34,275 --> 00:17:35,000
[Karen] I know, right?

321
00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,241
Giannis.

322
00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,172
Yes?

323
00:17:38,172 --> 00:17:42,206
[Shaun] Did you
realize how much
Chantel's ex-husband

324
00:17:42,206 --> 00:17:44,758
and that relationship
affected her?

325
00:18:04,758 --> 00:18:06,862
This is embarrassing.
How am I ever gonna move on?

326
00:18:06,862 --> 00:18:08,793
I want to date.

327
00:18:08,793 --> 00:18:11,896
It's okay for you
to experience these things

328
00:18:11,896 --> 00:18:13,103
and let it out.

329
00:18:13,103 --> 00:18:14,103
And once you let it out...

330
00:18:14,103 --> 00:18:16,000
-But what does it mean?
-[Karen] Let it go.

331
00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,517
It means you're healing.

332
00:18:17,517 --> 00:18:19,068
That's what it means.

333
00:18:19,068 --> 00:18:20,275
It means you're healing.

334
00:18:20,275 --> 00:18:25,586
It's really because to see
myself crying about my...

335
00:18:25,586 --> 00:18:27,931
[laughs]
...failed marriage,

336
00:18:27,931 --> 00:18:29,103
was a trigger for me.

337
00:18:29,103 --> 00:18:31,103
Yeah, I could tell
you were triggered by that.

338
00:18:31,103 --> 00:18:35,482
And the more I'm exposed to it
is just like making it harder
for me to move on.

339
00:18:35,482 --> 00:18:38,275
Right. It does.
It's like when you
take some steps forward,

340
00:18:38,275 --> 00:18:42,000
and then you have to see that,
it pulls you right back again.

341
00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,586
I understand. I do.
'Cause you have
your whole life ahead of you.

342
00:18:46,586 --> 00:18:49,931
You don't have
to keep reliving that
like it's Groundhog Day.

343
00:18:51,689 --> 00:18:54,689
I'm wondering, Giannis,
do you feel like Chantel

344
00:18:54,689 --> 00:18:58,103
is not ready to be
in an exclusive relationship?

345
00:18:58,103 --> 00:19:00,655
She's not ready.
Thank you for saying that,
Shaun.

346
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,068
Do you want
a relationship, Giannis?

347
00:19:21,482 --> 00:19:24,275
So that's where the pushback
is coming from, from
you meeting with her then.

348
00:19:24,275 --> 00:19:26,206
Tyray getting to the truth.

349
00:19:26,206 --> 00:19:27,551
[Giannis speaking]

350
00:19:30,379 --> 00:19:32,241
Which is understandable,
I think.

351
00:19:39,931 --> 00:19:41,034
[Natalie speaking]

352
00:19:56,275 --> 00:19:57,379
[Chantel sighs]

353
00:19:58,379 --> 00:20:00,379
Looks like we're getting
Chantel back.

354
00:20:00,793 --> 00:20:02,034
[Karen speaking]

355
00:20:03,413 --> 00:20:04,310
[Chantel] Hi.

356
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:05,586
[Shaun] How are you doing?

357
00:20:05,586 --> 00:20:06,517
[Tyray] Glad you made it back.

358
00:20:06,517 --> 00:20:08,379
[Chantel] I'm back.
I'm back in the game.

359
00:20:08,896 --> 00:20:10,896
[applause]

360
00:20:10,896 --> 00:20:14,206
So I know that was really
tough for you, Chantel.

361
00:20:14,206 --> 00:20:18,172
And some
of the conversation I was
just having with Giannis,

362
00:20:18,172 --> 00:20:20,310
and, Giannis,
you admitted some things.

363
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:24,103
Can you please talk directly
to Chantel?

364
00:20:24,103 --> 00:20:26,275
And tell her
what you just told me.

365
00:20:26,689 --> 00:20:28,068
[Giannis speaking]

366
00:20:50,931 --> 00:20:52,448
-[sighs]
-[Shaun] Okay.

367
00:20:53,379 --> 00:20:54,448
Chantel...

368
00:20:56,793 --> 00:21:00,068
What's your reaction
to what Giannis said?

369
00:21:00,068 --> 00:21:01,379
[Chantel] I disagree.

370
00:21:01,379 --> 00:21:05,000
You know, he can
have his opinion about
how ready I am or not.

371
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:10,000
But I think that it's a part
of healing to explore
new relationships,

372
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,965
and you have to fake it
till you make it in a sense.

373
00:21:26,931 --> 00:21:32,413
Okay, Chantel,
what do you think is next
for the two of you?

374
00:21:32,413 --> 00:21:33,758
[Chantel] I'm not sure.

375
00:21:33,758 --> 00:21:36,000
So I don't know.
Am I ever going
to see you again?

376
00:21:38,275 --> 00:21:42,689
Even if I'm not "healed"
by your definition?

377
00:21:42,689 --> 00:21:43,931
[chuckles]

378
00:21:45,413 --> 00:21:47,862
I don't want you to use that
as an excuse.

379
00:21:49,310 --> 00:21:50,172
No.

380
00:21:51,931 --> 00:21:53,344
[Giannis speaking]

381
00:21:56,275 --> 00:21:57,689
Okay.

382
00:21:57,689 --> 00:22:01,103
[Shaun] Well, Giannis,
it was a pleasure
getting to know you.

383
00:22:01,103 --> 00:22:03,482
Maybe the next time we talk,
it will be in person.

384
00:22:03,482 --> 00:22:04,586
-Thanks so much.
-Thank you.

385
00:22:04,586 --> 00:22:05,655
Thanks for having me.

386
00:22:09,517 --> 00:22:11,758
Taking a quick break.
We'll be right back.

387
00:22:12,517 --> 00:22:14,827
-Thank God.
-Take a break. [sighs]

388
00:22:16,275 --> 00:22:17,103
[Shaun] Are you okay, girl?

389
00:22:17,103 --> 00:22:18,172
[Chantel] Yeah.

390
00:22:18,172 --> 00:22:20,275
[pensive music playing]

391
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,620
[Tyray] Oh, gosh. My God,
my knees are all stiff
from sitting all that time.

392
00:22:33,620 --> 00:22:35,000
[chuckles]

393
00:22:35,620 --> 00:22:37,482
[exhales]

394
00:22:37,482 --> 00:22:39,103
-You doing okay?
-[Chantel] Yeah.

395
00:22:39,103 --> 00:22:40,482
[Tyray]
You did good, honestly.

396
00:22:40,482 --> 00:22:42,275
That's a lot to take in,
you know?

397
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,344
I'm just a little...

398
00:22:47,275 --> 00:22:49,482
When I see myself cry,
it makes me cry.

399
00:22:49,482 --> 00:22:52,275
Yeah, it's hard
because it makes you
get re-emotional, you know?

400
00:22:52,275 --> 00:22:55,275
When you see yourself
and what you've dealt with,
you know?

401
00:22:55,275 --> 00:22:56,379
[Chantel] Yeah,
and I cry easy, anyway.

402
00:22:56,379 --> 00:22:59,172
What was the conversation like
when I left the stage?

403
00:22:59,172 --> 00:23:02,586
What did Giannis say?
Did his energy change
when I left?

404
00:23:02,586 --> 00:23:05,310
I was very insecure
about that--

405
00:23:05,310 --> 00:23:08,896
Okay, everyone's
giving me the eyes
to vote me to be the one...

406
00:23:08,896 --> 00:23:13,482
I literally thought
he was, like,
breaking up with you,

407
00:23:13,482 --> 00:23:15,620
and I was like,
"She's not even here."

408
00:23:15,620 --> 00:23:18,310
Like, he was like,
"I don't think she's ready."

409
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:21,862
I was under the impression
that he couldn't come

410
00:23:21,862 --> 00:23:23,689
because of his
soccer schedule.

411
00:23:23,689 --> 00:23:27,379
He was being a little clearer
than he was when you came back
about like...

412
00:23:27,379 --> 00:23:29,275
"That's, like, why
I haven't come
to the States yet."

413
00:23:29,275 --> 00:23:32,689
He said that affected
his decision to come here?

414
00:23:32,689 --> 00:23:35,379
-Yeah.
-What the hell?

415
00:23:35,379 --> 00:23:38,000
Could be a language barrier.
Who knows? I don't know.

416
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,000
Shaun had said, like,
you know, "Watching this,
how did you feel?"

417
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,689
And he's like, "You know,
I knew she probably wasn't
over him yet,

418
00:23:44,689 --> 00:23:47,310
-but seeing this"--
-I'm over him.

419
00:23:47,310 --> 00:23:49,586
-Yeah.
-[Chantel] I'm over him.
That's not the point.

420
00:23:49,586 --> 00:23:53,482
If anything,
I'm angry at him.

421
00:23:53,482 --> 00:23:59,310
I'm mourning myself
and my dreams
and expectations.

422
00:23:59,310 --> 00:24:01,931
Don't be angry
at him either.

423
00:24:01,931 --> 00:24:04,344
Don't even give...
Don't give him that energy.

424
00:24:04,482 --> 00:24:05,758
[scoffs]

425
00:24:05,758 --> 00:24:08,379
[Veronica] Yeah,
he's not even worth
being angry over, but...

426
00:24:08,379 --> 00:24:10,586
[Karen] I'm really hoping
that you don't find yourself

427
00:24:10,586 --> 00:24:15,068
in another a situation
where a person is not being
honest with you

428
00:24:15,068 --> 00:24:18,172
because Pedro,
everything he ever said
was a lie.

429
00:24:20,172 --> 00:24:24,275
[Chantel] You know,
I can't bear to sit here
any longer

430
00:24:24,275 --> 00:24:27,103
and rehash the past
or hear about it
or be exposed to it.

431
00:24:27,103 --> 00:24:28,344
Sorry about that.

432
00:24:32,689 --> 00:24:34,172
[Shaun] Coming up...

433
00:24:34,172 --> 00:24:37,931
To this day,
I don't think she's ever seen
the inside of where he lives.

434
00:24:37,931 --> 00:24:41,482
And, Natalie, have you?
Have you ever been
to Josh's place in LA?

435
00:24:41,482 --> 00:24:44,172
Still? Joshua! Joshua!

436
00:24:46,862 --> 00:24:49,241
I wouldn't sleep with him
if I were you, Natalie.

437
00:25:02,379 --> 00:25:05,034
Let's switch gears
to Natalie.

438
00:25:05,034 --> 00:25:07,482
After Natalie's marriage
to Mike dissolved,

439
00:25:07,482 --> 00:25:12,172
she relocated to Florida
and started a long-distance
relationship with Josh.

440
00:25:12,172 --> 00:25:14,655
He encouraged her
to move to LA,

441
00:25:14,655 --> 00:25:17,689
but even when living
in the same city,

442
00:25:17,689 --> 00:25:20,172
she still felt distance
from Josh.

443
00:25:20,172 --> 00:25:22,034
Let's dive right into that.

444
00:25:22,034 --> 00:25:26,517
And, Natalie, first of all,
how are you still
enjoying life in Los Angeles?

445
00:25:28,689 --> 00:25:29,965
Very expensive, yes.

446
00:25:29,965 --> 00:25:31,896
[Natalie speaking]

447
00:25:31,896 --> 00:25:34,620
Is the city
all that you dreamed
it would be?

448
00:25:48,482 --> 00:25:50,344
-The film industry? Yes.
-[Natalie speaking]

449
00:25:55,103 --> 00:25:58,655
[Shaun] All right, well,
Natalie has a history
of intense breakups.

450
00:25:58,655 --> 00:26:03,620
And her breakup with Josh
certainly fit the bill, too.
Let's take a look back.

451
00:26:05,344 --> 00:26:06,551
[Natalie speaking]

452
00:26:25,344 --> 00:26:28,448
I'm sorry
that you feel this way.

453
00:26:28,448 --> 00:26:30,517
I tried to.
As much as you were...

454
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,034
As much as you were trying--

455
00:26:36,172 --> 00:26:37,034
I did try.

456
00:27:21,586 --> 00:27:22,931
Bye.

457
00:27:32,448 --> 00:27:34,758
[Natalie crying]

458
00:27:51,896 --> 00:27:57,689
Well, that looked like it was
the end of their relationship,
but was it really?

459
00:27:57,689 --> 00:28:00,896
Let's bring out Josh
to find out where things stand

460
00:28:00,896 --> 00:28:03,689
after such
a devastating moment.

461
00:28:03,689 --> 00:28:05,655
Please welcome Josh.

462
00:28:07,172 --> 00:28:09,517
-Hi, Josh.
-Hey, what's up?
What's up?

463
00:28:10,344 --> 00:28:11,965
[Josh] Hey.
You look beautiful.

464
00:28:14,793 --> 00:28:18,103
So, uh,
you just kissed Natalie.

465
00:28:18,103 --> 00:28:21,034
She did not move.
How did it feel?

466
00:28:22,172 --> 00:28:23,689
Um... [sighs]

467
00:28:23,689 --> 00:28:28,172
Well, I mean, I don't know
what's going on yet, so...

468
00:28:30,793 --> 00:28:33,551
I don't know
why she's not moving,

469
00:28:33,551 --> 00:28:38,482
but we're still very close,
we're friends, so, you know.

470
00:28:38,482 --> 00:28:41,448
[Shaun] You're friends
who kiss when they greet?

471
00:28:42,068 --> 00:28:44,137
[Shaun] It's, uh... Yeah.

472
00:28:44,137 --> 00:28:47,965
Yeah. Yeah, we kiss. We...

473
00:28:47,965 --> 00:28:51,172
I mean,
she slept over last night.
I don't know.

474
00:28:51,172 --> 00:28:54,241
Did you just say
that she slept over
last night?

475
00:28:54,793 --> 00:28:56,448
-Yeah.
-[Shaun] Okay.

476
00:28:58,758 --> 00:29:01,793
For being intimate,
you're pretty stone-cold
over there.

477
00:29:01,793 --> 00:29:03,862
Acting like nothing's been
going on over there.

478
00:29:05,034 --> 00:29:07,379
I'm sorry, wasn't this
the exact same like...

479
00:29:07,379 --> 00:29:09,586
-last year?
-Last year.
It's totally déjà vu.

480
00:29:09,586 --> 00:29:12,482
[Shaun] Since I think
we're all getting
some déjà vu,

481
00:29:12,482 --> 00:29:14,758
let's bring out
some special guests

482
00:29:14,758 --> 00:29:17,482
who were part
of this conversation
last time.

483
00:29:17,482 --> 00:29:22,172
One of them has always had
an appreciation
for Ukrainian women.

484
00:29:22,172 --> 00:29:26,689
The other, well, Josh,
I think you'll recognize
our other guest.

485
00:29:26,689 --> 00:29:29,172
Please welcome
Caesar and Debbie.

486
00:29:29,172 --> 00:29:32,620
-[all cheering]
-Your favorite. [laughing]

487
00:29:33,379 --> 00:29:36,379
-[Shaun] Hi.
-[Debbie J] Hey, guys.

488
00:29:36,379 --> 00:29:37,241
Hey.

489
00:29:39,241 --> 00:29:40,896
Hi, Caesar.
Good to see you again.

490
00:29:40,896 --> 00:29:42,586
Oh, hey. What's going on?
Hi, everybody.

491
00:29:42,586 --> 00:29:45,379
Debbie, would you like
to say hello to Josh?

492
00:29:45,379 --> 00:29:48,379
[laughs] Hi, Josh.
How are you?

493
00:29:48,379 --> 00:29:50,068
[sighs] Hi, Debbie.

494
00:29:51,551 --> 00:29:54,103
So, Natalie, I asked
the last time you and Caesar

495
00:29:54,103 --> 00:29:55,379
were on
the "Tell All" together

496
00:29:55,379 --> 00:29:58,137
there, you guys
really were going
at each other.

497
00:30:00,689 --> 00:30:01,689
-It's not even like that.
-[Natalie speaking]

498
00:30:01,689 --> 00:30:03,068
I think you're thinking
of something different.

499
00:30:04,689 --> 00:30:06,068
Yeah, you're thinking
of something
totally different.

500
00:30:07,275 --> 00:30:09,896
Do you think
there is still
any animosity there?

501
00:30:09,896 --> 00:30:11,206
How do you feel seeing him?

502
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,068
[Caesar] I just think
that you kind of took it
the wrong way.

503
00:30:17,068 --> 00:30:20,310
But, you know,
I still like you as a friend.

504
00:30:21,689 --> 00:30:23,379
Yeah.

505
00:30:23,379 --> 00:30:29,137
Josh and Mama Debbie,
at the last "Tell All,"
you were on the set together.

506
00:30:29,137 --> 00:30:31,896
You guys
really went at each other.

507
00:30:31,896 --> 00:30:33,793
I don't know.
I think she just needs
to figure out

508
00:30:33,793 --> 00:30:35,379
what she wants to do
with her life.

509
00:30:35,379 --> 00:30:38,379
Oh, my God,
give me a break.

510
00:30:38,379 --> 00:30:40,172
You're still not gonna
break up with her, right?

511
00:30:40,172 --> 00:30:43,793
I need, like...
Is there, like, a mute button
for this lady?

512
00:30:43,793 --> 00:30:46,862
[Shaun] Debbie,
what was your issue with Josh?

513
00:30:46,862 --> 00:30:51,689
Oh, that he's a liar,
and he's using Natalie,
and a few other things.

514
00:30:51,689 --> 00:30:53,275
He can't keep
his story straight

515
00:30:53,275 --> 00:30:57,344
and he got a girlfriend
while he's dating Natalie.
That's just the start.

516
00:30:57,655 --> 00:30:59,000
Right.

517
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,551
Do you still feel that way?

518
00:31:01,551 --> 00:31:03,000
[Debbie J] Oh, absolutely.

519
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,655
If it's over between them,
that's probably
the best thing for her ever.

520
00:31:07,965 --> 00:31:10,103
So are you still broken up?

521
00:31:10,103 --> 00:31:12,586
Like, how would you
describe the relationship?

522
00:31:12,586 --> 00:31:17,379
Well, we did break up
and we didn't talk
for quite some time,

523
00:31:17,379 --> 00:31:22,896
and Natalie needed some help,
something had happened.

524
00:31:22,896 --> 00:31:25,758
She reached out to me
and we, like, reconnected.

525
00:31:26,379 --> 00:31:27,793
What was that incident?

526
00:31:27,793 --> 00:31:31,000
Natalie had gotten
in an accident.
Somebody had hit her.

527
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,000
-[Shaun] In the car
that you bought for her?
-Yeah. Yeah.

528
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,310
Natalie, were you hurt?

529
00:31:37,758 --> 00:31:42,655
So, Natalie, the accident
is how you and Josh
reconnected?

530
00:31:44,344 --> 00:31:46,655
How would you describe
your relationship now?

531
00:31:49,068 --> 00:31:51,241
[Natalie speaking]

532
00:31:58,758 --> 00:32:01,344
Do you consider Natalie
your girlfriend, Josh?

533
00:32:03,103 --> 00:32:04,655
No, not right now.

534
00:32:11,793 --> 00:32:12,689
[John] Yeah.

535
00:32:12,689 --> 00:32:15,068
And you just slept
with her last night.

536
00:32:15,068 --> 00:32:16,793
-I mean, is there
some problem going on?
-Right.

537
00:32:16,793 --> 00:32:18,000
[Natalie speaking]

538
00:32:21,862 --> 00:32:24,896
I wouldn't sleep with him
if I were you, Natalie.

539
00:32:24,896 --> 00:32:27,379
But, Debbie,
she slept with him, too.
It's both sides.

540
00:32:27,379 --> 00:32:29,137
You just can't
put it all on him.

541
00:32:29,137 --> 00:32:31,275
Yes, she slept
with him last night,

542
00:32:31,275 --> 00:32:36,172
but he has no intention
of a relationship with her.

543
00:32:36,172 --> 00:32:40,793
To this day, I don't think
she's ever seen the inside
of where he lives.

544
00:32:40,793 --> 00:32:44,000
Natalie, have you?
Have you ever been
to Josh's place in LA?

545
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,793
Still? Joshua! Joshua!

546
00:32:46,793 --> 00:32:49,068
We're not even together
right now.

547
00:32:49,068 --> 00:32:50,655
She lives in LA now.

548
00:32:55,551 --> 00:32:59,034
What are you trying
to figure out
after all this time?

549
00:33:00,482 --> 00:33:02,586
Natalie, during your breakup,
you said,

550
00:33:02,586 --> 00:33:04,068
"I know you don't love me."

551
00:33:04,068 --> 00:33:07,793
To which Josh responded,
"I like you a lot."

552
00:33:07,793 --> 00:33:11,344
Has he ever told you
that he loves you?
To this day?

553
00:33:12,586 --> 00:33:13,862
[Tim laughs] Bro...

554
00:33:15,586 --> 00:33:17,482
[Shaun] Tim,
why are you laughing?

555
00:33:17,482 --> 00:33:19,965
I mean, John knows,
he's just better
at not laughing.

556
00:33:19,965 --> 00:33:22,482
-It's just... Like,
I mean, come on, bro.
-Three years.

557
00:33:22,482 --> 00:33:24,000
[laughs] Yeah. Like...

558
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,482
-Has she met your daughter?
-No.

559
00:33:25,482 --> 00:33:27,655
-[John] Okay, wow.
-[Veronica] She's never
been to his place.

560
00:33:27,655 --> 00:33:31,068
Let's just cut this down
pretty simple, all right?
This is pretty simple, right?

561
00:33:31,068 --> 00:33:35,275
He has feelings for you,
but he's not gonna marry you.

562
00:33:35,275 --> 00:33:36,103
[Shaun] Wow.

563
00:33:36,586 --> 00:33:38,655
[tense music playing]

564
00:33:42,689 --> 00:33:44,000
[Shaun] Coming up...

565
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,862
I am not here
to break you down,
I'm not here to cut you down--

566
00:33:46,862 --> 00:33:49,241
[Josh] That's not
what I'm trying to do.

567
00:33:49,241 --> 00:33:51,137
-You wanna hear
all the issues?
-[Natalie speaking]

568
00:33:51,137 --> 00:33:53,172
I'm not gonna just air out
your dirty laundry.

569
00:33:53,172 --> 00:33:54,241
[Natalie speaking]

570
00:34:13,793 --> 00:34:15,379
-Has she met your daughter?
-No.

571
00:34:15,379 --> 00:34:17,034
[John] Okay, wow.

572
00:34:17,034 --> 00:34:20,137
Let's just cut this down
pretty simple, all right?
This is pretty simple, right?

573
00:34:20,137 --> 00:34:24,172
He has feelings for you,
but he's not gonna marry you.

574
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,137
[Shaun] Wow.

575
00:34:26,137 --> 00:34:27,516
[John] I mean...

576
00:34:28,965 --> 00:34:31,482
Well, I mean,
you would have introduced them
to your daughter...

577
00:34:31,482 --> 00:34:35,137
Her to your daughter by now
if you really
had that intention.

578
00:34:35,137 --> 00:34:37,275
Well, that's A,
I agree with you.

579
00:34:37,275 --> 00:34:41,688
B is that he is really hoping
he wakes up,

580
00:34:41,688 --> 00:34:44,551
and the things
he don't like has changed.

581
00:34:44,551 --> 00:34:45,447
Yeah, but that's
not gonna happen.

582
00:34:45,447 --> 00:34:46,447
[Tim] And then
he would wife her up,

583
00:34:46,447 --> 00:34:48,585
but until then,
it's not gonna happen.

584
00:34:48,585 --> 00:34:51,585
It's been getting a lot...
Like, she's been a lot
more understanding.

585
00:34:51,585 --> 00:34:53,965
But not good enough
to take home or...

586
00:34:53,965 --> 00:34:56,585
The thing is, like,
when we have these meltdowns,

587
00:34:56,585 --> 00:34:59,758
like, I don't ever want
that to be in my home.

588
00:35:01,241 --> 00:35:03,689
You know,
I haven't been ready
to just really commit

589
00:35:03,689 --> 00:35:05,655
to having her
meet my daughter yet.

590
00:35:08,103 --> 00:35:09,551
I just... I just can't.

591
00:35:10,689 --> 00:35:12,241
[Natalie speaking]

592
00:35:16,103 --> 00:35:17,448
No, I never said that.

593
00:35:18,586 --> 00:35:20,655
I think that we're working
on a relationship.

594
00:35:23,482 --> 00:35:25,482
You wanna hear
all of our problems?

595
00:35:25,482 --> 00:35:27,275
-That's gonna be a whole show.
-What meltdowns
are you talking about?

596
00:35:27,275 --> 00:35:31,965
Look, I am not here
to break you down,
I'm not here to cut you down--

597
00:35:33,137 --> 00:35:34,689
[Josh] That's not
what I'm trying to do.

598
00:35:34,689 --> 00:35:36,586
-You wanna hear
all the issues?
-[Natalie speaking]

599
00:35:36,586 --> 00:35:38,965
I'm not gonna just air out
your dirty laundry.

600
00:35:41,586 --> 00:35:44,931
Jealousy is a very big one.
Jealousy is a very big one.

601
00:35:46,068 --> 00:35:49,655
For instance, I took her
to a really nice place,
a nice hotel,

602
00:35:49,655 --> 00:35:51,137
and we were waiting
to go up the elevator,

603
00:35:51,137 --> 00:35:54,517
and these two beautiful girls
were next to us,
and they looked at me.

604
00:35:55,379 --> 00:35:57,689
And, I mean,
that was it, you know?

605
00:35:57,689 --> 00:36:00,586
We went up to the room.
"Why would you take me
to the [bleep] hotel?

606
00:36:00,586 --> 00:36:01,965
There's prostitutes here."

607
00:36:01,965 --> 00:36:05,068
I'm like, "Dude,
this is one of the most
trendiest places in LA."

608
00:36:05,068 --> 00:36:06,241
[Natalie speaking]

609
00:36:12,896 --> 00:36:14,793
All right.
There were people
in Josh's life

610
00:36:14,793 --> 00:36:17,689
who had reservations
about his relationship
with Natalie.

611
00:36:17,689 --> 00:36:20,068
Josh's coworkers
voiced concerns

612
00:36:20,068 --> 00:36:22,586
about how their relationship
affected the business.

613
00:36:22,586 --> 00:36:25,655
Let's watch
this never-before-seen clip.

614
00:36:27,896 --> 00:36:31,448
[Payton]
This thing with Natalie,
what is going on?

615
00:36:31,448 --> 00:36:35,793
I got all of the statements
from the accounting team.

616
00:36:35,793 --> 00:36:40,137
There's multiple transfers
to her. Directly.

617
00:36:40,137 --> 00:36:44,896
Hopefully... Hopefully,
we're done with that--

618
00:36:44,896 --> 00:36:50,655
Hopefully. Because it's
it's starting to affect
everything.

619
00:36:52,241 --> 00:36:57,103
When we first met Natalie,
it was at one of our castings
in Florida,

620
00:36:57,103 --> 00:37:03,379
and I know that Natalie
is demanding, she's needy,
she's rude a lot of times,

621
00:37:03,379 --> 00:37:08,068
and she's taking way
too much time away
from Josh right now.

622
00:37:08,068 --> 00:37:11,551
We were literally
at an audition two weeks ago,

623
00:37:11,551 --> 00:37:15,103
and your phone
is going off ten times

624
00:37:15,103 --> 00:37:18,758
because she needed you
to find her a ride
somewhere.

625
00:37:18,758 --> 00:37:20,586
-[Ty] Right.
-It's like... Come on.

626
00:37:20,586 --> 00:37:24,344
Honestly, I just like...
I care for her.

627
00:37:24,344 --> 00:37:28,896
And I'm helping her
try to achieve
her goals right now.

628
00:37:28,896 --> 00:37:32,655
[Payton] That sounds
more like a charity project
than a relationship.

629
00:37:32,655 --> 00:37:33,724
-[Ty] Right.
-Right.

630
00:37:35,172 --> 00:37:38,448
It's clear.
You care about her
way too much

631
00:37:38,448 --> 00:37:42,206
and this gets you in trouble
every single time.

632
00:37:43,172 --> 00:37:45,068
You know, maybe for once

633
00:37:45,068 --> 00:37:50,551
you should be open
to dating someone
who's not a project.

634
00:37:50,551 --> 00:37:54,344
Someone
that's already finished.
That would be great.

635
00:37:58,862 --> 00:38:00,413
That is disgusting.

636
00:38:01,379 --> 00:38:02,620
[Natalie speaking]

637
00:38:21,482 --> 00:38:22,241
I've helped you--

638
00:38:53,275 --> 00:38:55,206
[tense music playing]

639
00:39:00,862 --> 00:39:01,689
[Shaun] Coming up...

640
00:39:01,689 --> 00:39:03,482
Josh is giving her money,

641
00:39:03,482 --> 00:39:05,724
but sleeping with her,
but won't commit to her.

642
00:39:11,068 --> 00:39:12,689
-Oh, my God.
-Okay. Wait, wait.

643
00:39:12,689 --> 00:39:14,034
Wait! Wait!

644
00:39:15,793 --> 00:39:17,344
Okay. Natalie!
Natalie! Natalie.

645
00:39:36,034 --> 00:39:38,206
Well, you came to LA
because you wanted
to pursue acting.

646
00:39:40,275 --> 00:39:43,172
What do you mean?
Make your life clear?

647
00:39:43,172 --> 00:39:44,275
Did you invite her
to move to LA?

648
00:39:44,275 --> 00:39:45,655
-No, I did not.
-[Natalie speaking]

649
00:39:45,655 --> 00:39:46,620
No, no.

650
00:39:47,448 --> 00:39:48,620
But he said
he didn't invite you.

651
00:39:50,068 --> 00:39:51,241
No.

652
00:39:51,241 --> 00:39:53,862
-He said you wanted
to move to LA.
-[Natalie speaking]

653
00:39:57,965 --> 00:40:02,275
Natalie, no.
You wanted to come to LA,
you wanted to pursue acting.

654
00:40:02,275 --> 00:40:03,793
We had been dating, right?

655
00:40:03,793 --> 00:40:06,448
And I even had my reservations
before you came out there.

656
00:40:06,448 --> 00:40:09,655
I said, "Don't come here
just for me. Please don't."

657
00:40:11,896 --> 00:40:13,379
[Shaun] Okay.

658
00:40:13,379 --> 00:40:16,896
Two people who have
always had their reservations
about this relationship

659
00:40:16,896 --> 00:40:18,896
are Josh's business partners.

660
00:40:18,896 --> 00:40:22,655
Please welcome
Ty and Payton.
Come on out.

661
00:40:22,655 --> 00:40:23,793
-[Josh] All right.
-Hey, guys.

662
00:40:23,793 --> 00:40:25,793
-What are you guys
talking about?
-Hello. How are you?

663
00:40:25,793 --> 00:40:28,103
[Shaun] Hi, Ty.
Hi, Payton.

664
00:40:28,103 --> 00:40:32,000
Okay, Payton,
you said that Natalie
was demanding,

665
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,689
needy, and rude.

666
00:40:33,689 --> 00:40:35,758
Do you stand by those words?

667
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,275
-Needy and demanding.
-[Shaun] Needy and demanding.

668
00:40:39,275 --> 00:40:40,931
Rude, I've changed
my mind on.

669
00:40:46,482 --> 00:40:48,379
If you know
that she doesn't know
anybody here

670
00:40:48,379 --> 00:40:50,965
and needs a friend,
why are you talking about her
that way?

671
00:40:50,965 --> 00:40:54,137
So, I am, like,
a business guy.

672
00:40:54,137 --> 00:40:58,448
Everything needs
to be clear for me
or I'm not interested.

673
00:40:58,448 --> 00:41:00,758
And so when someone's
asking me what I think
about her,

674
00:41:00,758 --> 00:41:03,172
I'm going to be
straightforward about it.

675
00:41:03,172 --> 00:41:05,586
But if you want me
to be friendly

676
00:41:05,586 --> 00:41:07,896
and sugarcoat things
a little bit, I can.

677
00:41:07,896 --> 00:41:10,896
I like Natalie a lot.
We've been able
to hang out a lot.

678
00:41:10,896 --> 00:41:14,793
And I really think
that the overlying problem

679
00:41:14,793 --> 00:41:18,896
is that she is so passionate
about so many things

680
00:41:18,896 --> 00:41:22,137
and she gets so passionate
that it gets in her way.

681
00:41:22,137 --> 00:41:26,551
-[Debbie J] You describe
Natalie as being passionate.
-[Payton] Yeah.

682
00:41:26,551 --> 00:41:30,034
-But you called her needy.
-Yes.

683
00:41:30,034 --> 00:41:32,551
Well, you don't want
our words for you. Trust me.

684
00:41:32,551 --> 00:41:34,586
[Debbie J] You're saying
two different things.

685
00:41:34,586 --> 00:41:36,000
Well, like I just said,

686
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,000
first off, my the reason
that there's a little bit
of discrepancy...

687
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,793
-A lot of discrepancy. Lot.
-[Payton] ...which I'm sure
you're aware of

688
00:41:40,793 --> 00:41:42,344
because it looks like
you've been around a while,

689
00:41:42,344 --> 00:41:47,655
is that you've met people
and then you've hung out
with them longer

690
00:41:47,655 --> 00:41:51,793
and then you've changed
your perspective on them
because you've known...

691
00:41:51,793 --> 00:41:53,000
Got to know them more.

692
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,655
So back there,
how long did you
know her before right now?

693
00:41:55,655 --> 00:41:58,172
She was needy
and helpless, basically,

694
00:41:58,172 --> 00:42:00,137
and now
you're calling her passionate.

695
00:42:00,137 --> 00:42:02,862
-You gotta listen.
So, what I said--
-She doesn't.

696
00:42:02,862 --> 00:42:04,379
-She doesn't.
Just leave her alone.
-[Payton] I know.

697
00:42:04,379 --> 00:42:06,793
I'm learning really quickly.

698
00:42:06,793 --> 00:42:09,000
You know,
we're in the business of
judging people for a living,

699
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,655
and so it doesn't
take me very long.

700
00:42:10,655 --> 00:42:11,896
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
I judge people too.

701
00:42:11,896 --> 00:42:13,862
I don't do it for a living,
but I just have a knack.

702
00:42:13,862 --> 00:42:17,551
It's like a dog whistle
when she talks, it's like...
[imitates buzzing]

703
00:42:17,551 --> 00:42:20,896
[Debbie J] Josh, you are
the most disgusting
human being ever.

704
00:42:20,896 --> 00:42:23,000
-Jesus Christ.
-[Shaun] Okay.
Okay, wait a minute.

705
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,724
So how did you feel
when Natalie ended things
with Josh?

706
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,586
From a business perspective,
it was good.

707
00:42:30,586 --> 00:42:34,379
And the only reason
is because he was
more available.

708
00:42:34,379 --> 00:42:39,379
We'd sit in meetings where,
you know, we're discussing
the future of a new company,

709
00:42:39,379 --> 00:42:41,379
and you could see
he was frazzled, he's razzled.

710
00:42:41,379 --> 00:42:42,896
Something else
is going on there.

711
00:42:42,896 --> 00:42:44,896
You know he's got
his phone up on the table

712
00:42:44,896 --> 00:42:48,275
or he's walking outside
real quick to take a call
and come back in.

713
00:42:48,275 --> 00:42:51,758
Come to find out
it's something that has to do
with Natalie.

714
00:42:53,137 --> 00:42:55,172
A lot of people
want to know, Josh,

715
00:42:55,172 --> 00:42:58,655
if you don't consider Natalie
your girlfriend,

716
00:42:58,655 --> 00:43:01,241
why are you paying
for all of these things?

717
00:43:02,379 --> 00:43:04,896
Well, I mean,
I care for Natalie a lot.

718
00:43:04,896 --> 00:43:06,793
I think we care
for each other.

719
00:43:06,793 --> 00:43:09,724
And, you know,
she's fun to be around.

720
00:43:11,241 --> 00:43:14,689
[Chantel] It seems like
she wants a real, genuine
relationship with you,

721
00:43:14,689 --> 00:43:17,000
but you're giving
sugar daddy vibes.

722
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,793
Yeah. Listen, I know,

723
00:43:18,793 --> 00:43:21,586
and I've been trying
to stay away
from the sugar daddy vibes.

724
00:43:21,586 --> 00:43:22,896
I've actually
told her, like,

725
00:43:22,896 --> 00:43:26,034
"Look, I'm not
your sugar daddy,
like, I'm helping you out."

726
00:43:26,034 --> 00:43:28,586
Well, I'd like
to chime in, too, because
you guys don't know Josh.

727
00:43:28,586 --> 00:43:30,586
You guys don't know
how caring Josh is.

728
00:43:30,586 --> 00:43:33,862
Well, he said
he was intimate
with her last night

729
00:43:33,862 --> 00:43:36,551
and can't define
their relationship today.

730
00:43:36,551 --> 00:43:38,482
-Can I finish my statement?
-[Shaun] Go ahead, Ty.

731
00:43:38,482 --> 00:43:42,103
What I'm trying to say is
Josh comes from
a caring side, okay?

732
00:43:42,103 --> 00:43:45,103
She just begged him
to just define
the relationship.

733
00:43:45,103 --> 00:43:49,275
Josh is known to do this.
He's charitable, he gives,
he helps.

734
00:43:49,275 --> 00:43:52,379
He cares for Natalie,
and the stuff that
he's been doing,

735
00:43:52,379 --> 00:43:54,103
the money
that he has been spending

736
00:43:54,103 --> 00:43:57,896
all of a sudden puts him
in a sugar daddy category
with you guys.

737
00:43:57,896 --> 00:44:00,137
Is he a sugar daddy
to you, Natalie?

738
00:44:09,379 --> 00:44:11,034
There's exactly what it means.
He gives you money
and you have sex,

739
00:44:11,034 --> 00:44:12,379
and you have nothing else.

740
00:44:12,379 --> 00:44:13,965
You don't have the house,
You don't get to go
to the house,

741
00:44:13,965 --> 00:44:15,068
you don't
get to meet the kids.

742
00:44:15,068 --> 00:44:17,482
You just give the sex
and get the dollars.

743
00:44:17,482 --> 00:44:18,551
[cackling]

744
00:44:22,482 --> 00:44:23,655
[Tim] Let me reword it.

745
00:44:23,655 --> 00:44:25,379
And if Josh
is giving her money,

746
00:44:25,379 --> 00:44:27,448
but sleeping with her,
but won't commit to her--

747
00:44:33,034 --> 00:44:35,068
-Oh, my God.
-Okay, wait. Wait!

748
00:44:41,793 --> 00:44:43,310
Okay. Natalie!
Natalie! Natalie.

749
00:44:44,275 --> 00:44:45,758
-It's not what he means.
-[Natalie speaking]

750
00:44:47,758 --> 00:44:48,586
[Josh] Yes, you do.

751
00:44:48,586 --> 00:44:50,172
Nobody's saying
that you didn't.

752
00:44:50,172 --> 00:44:51,413
Natalie. Natalie.

753
00:45:11,275 --> 00:45:14,620
[Shaun] Next time
on The Single Life
"Tell All"...

754
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,758
Um, let's see...

755
00:45:18,758 --> 00:45:21,793
You have to keep a loose back
and activate all of this.

756
00:45:21,793 --> 00:45:23,344
-Yeah.
-[Chantel] All of this.

757
00:45:23,344 --> 00:45:24,551
And then just...

758
00:45:27,896 --> 00:45:30,344
I wasn't endowed
with a backside.

759
00:45:32,896 --> 00:45:35,448
Tyray, you mentioned
that there was a woman
you were talking to

760
00:45:35,448 --> 00:45:36,793
in New Orleans.

761
00:45:36,793 --> 00:45:39,241
-What's her name?
-I don't know. [laughs]

762
00:45:39,793 --> 00:45:40,689
Dang...

763
00:45:40,689 --> 00:45:42,000
[Tyray] I was drunk
when she told me,

764
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,896
and she doesn't have it
on social media.

765
00:45:43,896 --> 00:45:46,862
Well, Tyray,
we know her name.

766
00:45:47,586 --> 00:45:49,482
-It's Shannon.
-Oh.

767
00:45:49,482 --> 00:45:52,689
-[Shaun] And Shannon
is here with us today.
-Oh, my God.

768
00:45:52,689 --> 00:45:53,931
No...

769
00:46:05,275 --> 00:46:08,689
Right. We're not even
on the family topic.

770
00:46:08,689 --> 00:46:11,275
Like, we're not even
a couple right now.

771
00:46:11,275 --> 00:46:13,172
So, what are we
talking about?

772
00:46:15,344 --> 00:46:18,586
Patrick, tell us.
Spill the tea. Come on, now.

773
00:46:18,586 --> 00:46:21,862
-I've heard there's timelines.
-What have you heard?

774
00:46:21,862 --> 00:46:26,137
Yeah. There was timelines
on him moving to San Antonio.

775
00:46:26,137 --> 00:46:29,241
There were timelines
on, like, when he's gonna
get engaged.

776
00:46:29,241 --> 00:46:31,068
I've heard
all about the timelines.

777
00:46:31,068 --> 00:46:33,655
So what's the timeline
for the engagement?
Five years?

778
00:46:33,655 --> 00:46:35,586
Oh, no, honey,
that's too long. No.

779
00:46:35,586 --> 00:46:39,068
So you need
an engagement, or else...

780
00:46:39,068 --> 00:46:40,482
Yeah, I'm not
a timeline guy.

781
00:46:40,482 --> 00:46:41,931
But she's a timeline girl.

782
00:46:45,758 --> 00:46:47,241
[Natalie speaking]

783
00:46:48,379 --> 00:46:49,344
Hey--

784
00:46:51,103 --> 00:46:51,862
Okay...