1 00:00:07,939 --> 00:00:10,284 [narrator] They were more than 1000 miles apart. 2 00:00:10,318 --> 00:00:15,249 Yet two of America's most notorious serial killers had a lot in common. 3 00:00:15,284 --> 00:00:17,215 [man on TV] The most shocking and horrifying result 4 00:00:17,249 --> 00:00:19,491 of older men having sex with young boys 5 00:00:19,525 --> 00:00:22,111 is the story of Dean Corll in Houston, Texas, 6 00:00:22,146 --> 00:00:24,663 and, more recently, John Gacy in Chicago. 7 00:00:24,698 --> 00:00:30,008 These handcuffs were found in his residence during the search warrant. 8 00:00:30,043 --> 00:00:34,801 Gacy later admitted that he got the handcuff trick from Corll, 9 00:00:34,836 --> 00:00:38,422 and he also bragged that he got more kids than Corll did. 10 00:00:38,456 --> 00:00:42,663 Not 28 like Corll, but 33. 11 00:00:42,698 --> 00:00:46,284 He was...a pedophilia copycat. 12 00:00:46,318 --> 00:00:49,146 [narrator] This series investigates evidence they were connected 13 00:00:49,180 --> 00:00:52,836 to a secret nationwide network in the 1970s. 14 00:00:52,870 --> 00:00:55,387 They probably considered John David Norman 15 00:00:55,422 --> 00:00:58,767 the kingpin of all of porno operations. 16 00:00:58,801 --> 00:01:02,629 We searched the apartment and found over 2000 file cards 17 00:01:02,663 --> 00:01:06,698 with the names of over 2000 boys, ranging in age from 14 to 20. 18 00:01:07,249 --> 00:01:08,974 He couldn't stop. 19 00:01:09,008 --> 00:01:11,870 This was a guy that just could not stop. 20 00:01:11,905 --> 00:01:15,353 [narrator] It was a wide and deep hidden web of pedophiles 21 00:01:15,387 --> 00:01:16,974 preying on young men. 22 00:01:17,008 --> 00:01:18,525 Doctors, lawyers all the way down. 23 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:19,767 Police departments. 24 00:01:19,801 --> 00:01:21,318 Some of them were Boy Scout leaders 25 00:01:21,353 --> 00:01:23,870 in Boy Scout Troop 137. 26 00:01:23,905 --> 00:01:27,008 These people with power, especially political power, 27 00:01:27,043 --> 00:01:28,629 they can get a lot of things erased. 28 00:01:28,663 --> 00:01:30,974 [narrator] And in never heard before tapes, 29 00:01:31,008 --> 00:01:33,939 the killer clown tells a different tale of murder. 30 00:01:33,974 --> 00:01:35,111 [record playing] 31 00:01:43,870 --> 00:01:47,732 [narrator] And two investigators race against time to close the case 32 00:01:47,767 --> 00:01:51,698 on two of America's most notorious serial killers. 33 00:01:51,732 --> 00:01:54,491 We know that time is not necessarily on our side. 34 00:01:54,525 --> 00:01:58,732 As long as I'm here, I will not stop until I can't work it any longer. 35 00:02:14,284 --> 00:02:17,939 [man] Sitting on death row, John Wayne Gacy has been hugely successful 36 00:02:17,974 --> 00:02:21,525 with his artwork, cashing in on his notoriety as a serial killer. 37 00:02:23,318 --> 00:02:26,318 Gacy's crude paintings are on exhibit around the country. 38 00:02:26,353 --> 00:02:31,043 Elvis, Jesus, the seven dwarves, and a self portrait has "Pogo the Clown". 39 00:02:31,077 --> 00:02:34,870 Collectors have paid him more than $100,000. 40 00:02:34,905 --> 00:02:36,939 [narrator] Since his conviction in 1980, 41 00:02:36,974 --> 00:02:40,215 the killer clown has been appealing his death sentence, 42 00:02:40,249 --> 00:02:44,077 using the money from his artwork to pay his legal bills, 43 00:02:44,111 --> 00:02:47,525 and basking in his notoriety as a serial killer. 44 00:02:59,870 --> 00:03:00,870 [siren wailing] 45 00:03:06,146 --> 00:03:10,698 [Skip] The reason we're sometimes drawn to serial killers 46 00:03:10,732 --> 00:03:15,905 is not because of their victims, but because of the serial killers themselves. 47 00:03:15,939 --> 00:03:18,870 Here is the personification of evil. 48 00:03:18,905 --> 00:03:21,146 And we want to sort of read about that. 49 00:03:21,180 --> 00:03:23,939 We want to explore it. We want to see what that looks like. 50 00:03:49,905 --> 00:03:53,974 [narrator] In 1989, Randy White began talking to John Wayne Gacy 51 00:03:54,008 --> 00:03:56,043 while he sat on death row. 52 00:03:56,077 --> 00:04:00,180 Randy, a Canadian who calls himself an amateur researcher, 53 00:04:00,215 --> 00:04:04,767 says it started with a book a friend suggested he read. 54 00:04:04,801 --> 00:04:09,456 [Randy] It was Buried Dreams, and he told me about this book and about Gacy. 55 00:04:09,491 --> 00:04:13,594 and he told me, well, uh, you know, he killed all these kids. 56 00:04:13,629 --> 00:04:16,353 And I saw it's interesting, and you could write to him, 57 00:04:16,387 --> 00:04:18,767 there was his prison number on the back of the book. 58 00:04:19,594 --> 00:04:22,732 You know, I read the book and 59 00:04:22,767 --> 00:04:26,767 I thought it was just... It was curiosity...sake... 60 00:04:28,043 --> 00:04:30,008 ...to write to him. 61 00:04:30,043 --> 00:04:33,008 [narrator] White is not a journalist or an investigator, 62 00:04:33,043 --> 00:04:36,180 but he was fascinated with Gacy and the case. 63 00:04:36,215 --> 00:04:37,836 Some people just are. 64 00:04:38,525 --> 00:04:39,870 He was a smooth talker. 65 00:04:39,905 --> 00:04:41,939 It was a very charming... 66 00:04:41,974 --> 00:04:47,249 Um, you know, you wouldn't dream that he was a killer. 67 00:04:47,284 --> 00:04:51,180 [narrator] It started with a letter and then became phone calls. 68 00:04:51,215 --> 00:04:55,560 At first, it was mostly about his family, about his...his paintings 69 00:04:55,594 --> 00:04:57,043 that we talked about. 70 00:04:57,077 --> 00:05:00,905 [narrator] Until now, these calls have never been made public, 71 00:05:36,387 --> 00:05:40,249 [Randy] Eventually, he said, you know, like all the books you read about me, 72 00:05:40,284 --> 00:05:42,146 it's all trash garbage. 73 00:05:59,491 --> 00:06:01,836 [narrator] The more Randy looks into news articles 74 00:06:01,870 --> 00:06:05,491 and the books written about the case, the more he wonders. 75 00:06:05,525 --> 00:06:08,180 Is there something to what Gacy is telling him? 76 00:06:21,215 --> 00:06:23,525 I knew that he killed. 77 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:28,180 But maybe he wasn't involved in all these murders. 78 00:06:28,215 --> 00:06:33,836 Others could have been involved with him or did it on their own. 79 00:06:33,870 --> 00:06:36,836 [narrator] It's a far stretch from back in 1978, 80 00:06:36,870 --> 00:06:40,836 where Gacy confessed to the police to murdering more than 30 boys. 81 00:06:40,870 --> 00:06:45,318 He even drew them a sketch of where the bodies were buried. 82 00:06:45,353 --> 00:06:48,387 Yet Gacey was desperate to fight off his death sentence. 83 00:06:48,422 --> 00:06:51,870 So Randy begins digging up what he can about the victims 84 00:06:51,905 --> 00:06:54,284 and some of the men who worked for Gacy. 85 00:07:11,939 --> 00:07:16,387 [narrator] Randy doesn't know it at the time, but John David Norman of Texas 86 00:07:16,422 --> 00:07:20,974 is at the center of the story of John Wayne Gacy and Dean Corll. 87 00:07:21,008 --> 00:07:26,767 It started with a raid in 1973 on Norman's apartment in Dallas. 88 00:07:26,801 --> 00:07:28,594 [telecaster] Police in Dallas think they've uncovered 89 00:07:28,629 --> 00:07:31,422 a nationwide procurement ring for homosexuals. 90 00:07:31,456 --> 00:07:33,974 They raided an apartment and found hundreds of booklets 91 00:07:34,008 --> 00:07:36,043 with the names and pictures of young men. 92 00:07:38,387 --> 00:07:42,387 [RC Nelson] I was a detective in Dallas Police Department, 93 00:07:42,422 --> 00:07:45,767 when we busted this guy. 94 00:07:47,870 --> 00:07:50,180 And as I recall, Norman was sitting 95 00:07:50,215 --> 00:07:52,801 at a kitchen table, 96 00:07:52,836 --> 00:07:57,629 and a couple of kids sitting around. 97 00:07:57,663 --> 00:08:01,629 Underage teenage boys, and on the table, 98 00:08:01,663 --> 00:08:04,284 various cards and brochures on display. 99 00:08:05,629 --> 00:08:09,698 [RC Nelson] Norman was recruiting teenage kids 100 00:08:09,732 --> 00:08:13,663 to go around the country for prostitution. 101 00:08:13,698 --> 00:08:16,698 [narrator] Through his newsletter, The Odyssey Foundation, 102 00:08:16,732 --> 00:08:20,008 Norman disguised the scheme as providing self help 103 00:08:20,043 --> 00:08:22,836 for young people through travel programs. 104 00:08:22,870 --> 00:08:25,318 It was anything but that. 105 00:08:25,353 --> 00:08:28,491 [RC Nelson] It was kids for rent. 106 00:08:28,525 --> 00:08:32,594 Christ, just...makes you sick to think about it. 107 00:08:37,560 --> 00:08:40,111 [female reporter] Police are still trying to compile enough evidence 108 00:08:40,146 --> 00:08:42,939 to file a charge of conspiracy to commit a felony, 109 00:08:42,974 --> 00:08:47,387 namely sodomy, against 45-year-old John Paul Norman, 110 00:08:47,422 --> 00:08:52,698 the alleged head of that homosexual procurement operation in Dallas. 111 00:08:52,732 --> 00:08:56,249 [RC Nelson] We interviewed him, you know, all he had was a nod 112 00:08:56,284 --> 00:08:59,698 or, I don't know, or, I'm innocent. 113 00:09:00,905 --> 00:09:04,180 He didn't have anything to say. 114 00:09:04,215 --> 00:09:08,077 [narrator] Police compile the names of 30 juveniles from 13 states, 115 00:09:08,111 --> 00:09:13,318 who were allegedly procured as companions for older men known as sponsors. 116 00:09:14,905 --> 00:09:17,836 There were over 100 cards. 117 00:09:17,870 --> 00:09:20,767 [narrator] It was a nationwide child trafficking ring, 118 00:09:20,801 --> 00:09:25,905 discovered one week after the Dean Corll mass murders in Houston made headlines. 119 00:09:25,939 --> 00:09:28,870 [male reporter] So far, 24 bodies have been recovered. 120 00:09:28,905 --> 00:09:31,043 They're all teenage boys who were tortured, 121 00:09:31,077 --> 00:09:33,663 sexually abused and then brutally killed. 122 00:09:33,698 --> 00:09:37,387 34-year-old Dean Corll sexually assaulted all of the victims. 123 00:09:37,422 --> 00:09:40,491 Then they were tortured by 17-year-old Elmer Wayne Henley. 124 00:09:40,525 --> 00:09:42,732 Henley was charged with four counts of murder. 125 00:09:42,767 --> 00:09:45,939 There were all these rumors that Corll was part of an organization 126 00:09:45,974 --> 00:09:50,043 where he was paid to send teenage boys to California 127 00:09:50,077 --> 00:09:52,870 to be part of this homosexual teenage ring. 128 00:09:52,905 --> 00:09:56,870 [narrator] In fact, Elmer Wayne Henley had said in his confession, 129 00:09:56,905 --> 00:10:01,767 that Corll said he belonged to a group out of Dallas that bought and sold boys. 130 00:10:02,629 --> 00:10:06,111 Now Hamleys words make sense. 131 00:10:06,146 --> 00:10:09,215 Police believe some of the boys killed by Dean Corll 132 00:10:09,249 --> 00:10:12,594 may have been among those pictures. 133 00:10:12,629 --> 00:10:17,870 Today, this would be an enormous scandal with every name investigated. 134 00:10:17,905 --> 00:10:21,594 But in the 1970s, only Norman was charged. 135 00:10:22,905 --> 00:10:25,801 Less than a month after the raid, Norman was released 136 00:10:25,836 --> 00:10:28,077 on a $7000 bond. 137 00:10:28,111 --> 00:10:33,180 There's no national tracking system, no sex offender registry. 138 00:10:33,215 --> 00:10:36,146 Dallas police had to let him go. 139 00:10:36,180 --> 00:10:40,525 Unfortunately, we never brought him to trial 140 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:44,318 in Dallas, just because he's gone. 141 00:10:45,525 --> 00:10:49,146 Gone, but not long before he's back in business. 142 00:10:54,215 --> 00:10:56,422 Less than a month after the Dallas bust, 143 00:10:56,456 --> 00:10:59,836 Norman changes his name to Steven Gerwel, 144 00:10:59,870 --> 00:11:02,560 and surfaces 1000 miles north. 145 00:11:05,043 --> 00:11:08,870 [RC Nelson] I got a call from Illinois from a Detective Flannery. 146 00:11:08,905 --> 00:11:13,146 Norman was there, doing the same thing 147 00:11:13,180 --> 00:11:16,111 that we had got him for in Dallas. 148 00:11:16,594 --> 00:11:19,629 It didn't take him... 149 00:11:19,663 --> 00:11:23,939 Probably two or three days, he was back in business in Illinois. 150 00:11:23,974 --> 00:11:25,594 [narrator] It was true. 151 00:11:25,629 --> 00:11:29,008 Detective Sergeant, Frank Flannery of Homewood Police 152 00:11:29,043 --> 00:11:32,629 had received an anonymous call from a concerned neighbor. 153 00:11:32,663 --> 00:11:35,284 [Frank] And this woman said, Mr. Flannery, you don't know me, 154 00:11:37,043 --> 00:11:40,249 but I'm telling you that there is a man in an apartment. 155 00:11:40,284 --> 00:11:45,146 He is luring young boys, and performing sexual acts on them. 156 00:11:45,180 --> 00:11:47,387 [narrator] The caller identifies one of the boys, 157 00:11:47,422 --> 00:11:50,284 as 13-year-old Kenny Hellstrom. 158 00:11:50,318 --> 00:11:51,801 [Frank] I almost fell out of the chair. 159 00:11:51,836 --> 00:11:55,939 I knew the Hellstroms since grade school, this is their son. 160 00:12:01,353 --> 00:12:04,560 I called Kenny Hellstrom's father, and I said, "You better come in here 161 00:12:04,594 --> 00:12:07,077 and you better bring that boy with you," I said he's involved 162 00:12:07,111 --> 00:12:09,870 in some very, very terrible activities that are going on. 163 00:12:09,905 --> 00:12:12,974 [narrator] The story Kenny Hellstrom tells Detective Flannery 164 00:12:13,008 --> 00:12:17,353 is why parents tell their kids, "Beware of strangers." 165 00:12:19,077 --> 00:12:22,491 [Frank] He told me that he had first met this person 166 00:12:22,525 --> 00:12:26,284 in a restaurant in Homewood, 167 00:12:26,318 --> 00:12:29,146 and the man asked him if he wanted a ride home, 168 00:12:29,180 --> 00:12:32,905 and he said, sure. So he put him in the car and instead of taking him home, 169 00:12:32,939 --> 00:12:36,353 he brought him to his apartment and asked him if he wanted some beer. 170 00:12:36,387 --> 00:12:39,043 He brought him in there and he gave him beer. 171 00:12:41,180 --> 00:12:43,387 And that's the way that this thing got started. 172 00:12:46,077 --> 00:12:50,043 [narrator] 13-year-old Kenny lives down the street from John David Norman. 173 00:12:50,077 --> 00:12:52,077 So do lots of his friends. 174 00:12:52,111 --> 00:12:56,560 Soon they're all gathering after school to meet the man with the free beer. 175 00:12:56,594 --> 00:12:59,836 This John David Norman showed them pornographic films. 176 00:12:59,870 --> 00:13:01,629 Then he would show them pornographic films 177 00:13:01,663 --> 00:13:05,905 where it was just males having sexual acts with one another, 178 00:13:05,939 --> 00:13:10,732 and the boys, they went along with it. 179 00:13:10,767 --> 00:13:15,767 He would pull the boy's pants down and perform oral sex on them. 180 00:13:15,801 --> 00:13:18,698 Sometimes one at a time, sometimes five in a row. 181 00:13:18,732 --> 00:13:22,180 These are the testimonies that we have from the boys themselves. 182 00:13:22,215 --> 00:13:24,974 Uh, you're talking about one evil...evil-- 183 00:13:25,008 --> 00:13:28,732 I can't use that kind of language on television. 184 00:13:28,767 --> 00:13:31,180 But, uh, I've got a few more words 185 00:13:31,215 --> 00:13:34,043 that could describe this man and as far as I'm concerned, 186 00:13:34,077 --> 00:13:36,801 there is a special place in hell for that bastard. 187 00:13:36,836 --> 00:13:39,456 [narrator] When Detective Flannery raids the apartment, 188 00:13:39,491 --> 00:13:43,801 no one is home, but there's plenty to see. 189 00:13:43,836 --> 00:13:47,732 [Frank] We went into every drawer, uh, and in an upstairs bedroom 190 00:13:47,767 --> 00:13:50,767 that was not being used, this is where we found the camera, 191 00:13:50,801 --> 00:13:55,732 the filming and these index cards. 192 00:13:55,767 --> 00:13:59,180 I said to my partner, I said, "What... What in the world is this?" 193 00:14:01,905 --> 00:14:07,801 White three by five index cards in file boxes. Just like in a recipe box. 194 00:14:07,836 --> 00:14:10,939 All right, this is for tacos. This is for corn, beef and cabbage, 195 00:14:10,974 --> 00:14:13,043 If you're Irish like I am. 196 00:14:13,077 --> 00:14:16,111 [narrator] Norman has started a new list of boys, 197 00:14:16,146 --> 00:14:18,767 and the men who wanted them. 198 00:14:18,801 --> 00:14:22,939 Over 2000 names on them. The names of children ranging in age 199 00:14:22,974 --> 00:14:26,974 from 14 to 20, uh, from all over the United States. 200 00:14:28,111 --> 00:14:30,111 Most of them were from out of state. 201 00:14:30,146 --> 00:14:35,353 Dallas, Texas, San Diego, Maryland, Connecticut, 202 00:14:35,387 --> 00:14:38,525 New York State, Florida, all over the place. 203 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,698 I had never seen anything like that in my life, no. 204 00:14:41,732 --> 00:14:44,698 [narrator] John Norman isn't just a local nuisance. 205 00:14:44,732 --> 00:14:50,180 He runs a national pedophile ring, and the index cards are his database. 206 00:14:50,215 --> 00:14:55,043 Everything police needed to make their case was on those index cards. 207 00:14:55,077 --> 00:14:59,249 We gave everything that we had, the cards, all the files, everything 208 00:14:59,284 --> 00:15:00,870 to the Chicago Police Department, 209 00:15:00,905 --> 00:15:03,905 and they started their prosecution with him as well. 210 00:15:03,939 --> 00:15:07,560 [narrator] Chicago police would prosecute John Norman, all right, 211 00:15:07,594 --> 00:15:09,491 but that's where it ended. 212 00:15:09,525 --> 00:15:12,043 Where those cards were at today, I have no idea. 213 00:15:19,905 --> 00:15:23,043 [narrator] When the police find John David Norman, they charged him 214 00:15:23,077 --> 00:15:25,974 with three counts of contributing to the sexual delinquency 215 00:15:26,008 --> 00:15:30,387 of a child, and five counts of indecent liberties with a child. 216 00:15:30,422 --> 00:15:37,698 He's sent to Chicago's Cook County Jail with bail set at $325,000. 217 00:15:37,732 --> 00:15:40,732 [Frank] I wish I was the one to put the cuffs on him to tell the truth. 218 00:15:40,767 --> 00:15:42,491 He was nervous. There's no two ways about it. 219 00:15:42,525 --> 00:15:44,698 I mean, I spoke to my partner the very next day. 220 00:15:44,732 --> 00:15:49,215 He said he was shaking so bad he could barely sign his his rights waiver. 221 00:15:49,249 --> 00:15:52,732 [narrator] Detective Sergeant Flannery turned over the index cards 222 00:15:52,767 --> 00:15:56,939 to the Chicago Police. A detailed catalog of names, 223 00:15:56,974 --> 00:16:00,008 [Frank] Power. People know judges. 224 00:16:00,043 --> 00:16:03,422 People know other people in power themselves. 225 00:16:03,456 --> 00:16:06,801 People like you and I would have been in jail a long time ago, 226 00:16:06,836 --> 00:16:10,560 but these people, they do it and they get away with it. 227 00:16:10,594 --> 00:16:14,111 [narrator] 13-year-old Kenny Hellstrom was one of Norman's victims, 228 00:16:14,146 --> 00:16:16,560 and he testified against Norman. 229 00:16:16,594 --> 00:16:21,801 One year later, Kenny was found stabbed to death on his way home from work. 230 00:16:21,836 --> 00:16:24,629 Somebody stabbed him six times in his back 231 00:16:24,663 --> 00:16:30,698 and he made his way home and was scratching at the door, 232 00:16:30,732 --> 00:16:33,732 and he died in his mother's arms. 233 00:16:33,767 --> 00:16:38,801 We never did figure out 100 percent why the person stabbed him. 234 00:16:38,836 --> 00:16:43,525 [narrator] $250 was in his pocket, making robbery unlikely. 235 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,767 But the police were never able to rule out retaliation 236 00:16:46,801 --> 00:16:50,456 for his testimony against Norman. 237 00:16:50,491 --> 00:16:54,215 In the Cook County Jail, while awaiting trial on his sodomy charges, 238 00:16:54,249 --> 00:16:58,146 Norman meets 22-year-old Phillip Paske. 239 00:16:58,180 --> 00:17:02,111 Paske is awaiting trial on attempted murder in a robbery. 240 00:17:04,491 --> 00:17:08,525 Using the jail's printing press, Norman with Paske's help 241 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,525 gets his Boys for Rent newsletter back into print. 242 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,629 In early 1976, Phillip Paske was paroled 243 00:17:16,663 --> 00:17:21,180 and ran Norman's Boys for Rent newsletter from the outside. 244 00:17:21,215 --> 00:17:25,284 A year later, Norman is paroled, moves in with Paske, 245 00:17:25,318 --> 00:17:28,284 and they continue the mail order sex business. 246 00:17:30,491 --> 00:17:36,180 One reporter is about to blow the cover on an underground pedophile network. 247 00:17:36,215 --> 00:17:40,698 [woman] I was a reporter for The Chicago Tribune in 1977. 248 00:17:41,939 --> 00:17:44,836 I think I was all of 33 years old, 249 00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:50,525 and it was my first sort of major investigation. 250 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,111 [narrator] Michael Sneed is one of Chicago's most powerful journalists. 251 00:17:54,146 --> 00:17:57,629 Back then, her career was about to take off. 252 00:17:57,663 --> 00:18:03,387 A brochure about underage boys for rent arrives mysteriously on her desk. 253 00:18:03,422 --> 00:18:06,525 Somebody sent me a flyer in the mail 254 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,732 and the flyer said, "The Delta Project". 255 00:18:10,801 --> 00:18:15,594 And it had to do with boy love stuff. 256 00:18:15,629 --> 00:18:17,905 We had no idea where it was coming from. 257 00:18:20,043 --> 00:18:24,422 So I called the police department and I asked for the juvenile division. 258 00:18:24,456 --> 00:18:29,422 And as soon as I said I'm curious about something called "The Delta Project." 259 00:18:29,456 --> 00:18:31,387 Have you heard anything about it? 260 00:18:31,422 --> 00:18:33,180 Total silence. 261 00:18:33,215 --> 00:18:36,008 The end result was, he hung up. 262 00:18:36,043 --> 00:18:38,353 [phone disconnects] 263 00:18:40,180 --> 00:18:43,663 I went to my editor, George Bliss, and I said, 264 00:18:43,698 --> 00:18:46,491 I don't know how much further we can go with this. 265 00:18:46,525 --> 00:18:50,043 [narrator] Bliss is a Pulitzer Prize winning investigative reporter 266 00:18:50,077 --> 00:18:53,249 with an established relationship with the Chicago police. 267 00:18:55,111 --> 00:19:00,491 The police agreed to let Sneed and Bliss join in their undercover operation. 268 00:19:00,525 --> 00:19:04,836 And it was sort of during a time when reporters and police 269 00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:06,560 worked together a little differently. 270 00:19:06,594 --> 00:19:09,043 We really worked together. 271 00:19:12,077 --> 00:19:14,629 So every night we were on stakeouts. 272 00:19:14,663 --> 00:19:16,870 We were in cars with cops. 273 00:19:16,905 --> 00:19:18,629 We were watching what was going on. 274 00:19:20,836 --> 00:19:23,008 And we'd go to the Chicken Hawk area. 275 00:19:24,422 --> 00:19:26,180 The boys were considered chickens, 276 00:19:26,215 --> 00:19:30,456 thought chicken hawks were considered the guys that went after them. 277 00:19:30,491 --> 00:19:34,629 [narrator] Embedded with the cops night after night, for weeks and months on end, 278 00:19:34,663 --> 00:19:36,767 a dark web of child pornography 279 00:19:36,801 --> 00:19:40,905 and prostitution emerges on the streets of Chicago. 280 00:19:40,939 --> 00:19:45,629 [Sneed] Men were paying underage boys to have sex with them. 281 00:19:45,663 --> 00:19:48,560 Which was an outrage. 282 00:19:48,594 --> 00:19:52,939 Even I thought that men were only interested in the little girl's. 283 00:19:52,974 --> 00:19:56,939 It didn't even occur to me that it was little boys that they were after. 284 00:20:02,767 --> 00:20:05,594 [Sneed] Prostitution was not unknown, but we did not know 285 00:20:05,629 --> 00:20:08,732 that there was an area in Chicago where this was going on 286 00:20:08,767 --> 00:20:12,111 and that children were involved in these things. 287 00:20:12,146 --> 00:20:14,732 [narrator] The brochure Michael Sneed received in the mail, 288 00:20:14,767 --> 00:20:18,663 The Delta Project, was part of this so called boy love world 289 00:20:18,698 --> 00:20:21,767 and went far beyond the streets of the windy city. 290 00:20:22,525 --> 00:20:23,974 This was the 70s. 291 00:20:24,008 --> 00:20:27,215 There was no Internet, no social media. 292 00:20:27,249 --> 00:20:29,698 It was newsletter, after newsletter, 293 00:20:29,732 --> 00:20:32,594 promoting pedophilia as an unabashed lifestyle 294 00:20:32,629 --> 00:20:35,077 from coast to coast and around the world. 295 00:20:36,732 --> 00:20:39,560 [Sneed] They would send around these brochures. 296 00:20:39,594 --> 00:20:41,870 Somehow they went through the mails, 297 00:20:41,905 --> 00:20:45,215 and through word of mouth, people would know this is what this meant. 298 00:20:46,974 --> 00:20:51,836 This periodical was just a way of summoning you to these places. 299 00:20:53,732 --> 00:20:56,525 It was print, it was paper. 300 00:20:58,111 --> 00:21:00,663 This was a pond of perversity. 301 00:21:01,939 --> 00:21:05,422 [narrator] And the ringleader was headquartered in Chicago. 302 00:21:05,456 --> 00:21:07,422 [Sneed] John Norman was the guy. 303 00:21:07,456 --> 00:21:09,077 He was the big guy. 304 00:21:09,111 --> 00:21:11,456 He was the guy that produced all this stuff. 305 00:21:13,870 --> 00:21:17,836 His arrest record dates back to May 20th, 1954, 306 00:21:17,870 --> 00:21:21,456 when he was arrested for molesting a minor in Houston. 307 00:21:21,491 --> 00:21:23,905 After that, he was arrested in Sacramento, 308 00:21:23,939 --> 00:21:26,318 Santa Ana, Los Angeles, Santa Monica, 309 00:21:26,353 --> 00:21:29,318 Dallas, Chicago and Homewood 310 00:21:29,353 --> 00:21:31,387 for various sex related offenses. 311 00:21:35,698 --> 00:21:39,111 [narrator] Norman was a big player, but not the only one. 312 00:21:39,146 --> 00:21:42,146 Sneed discovers child pornography and prostitution 313 00:21:42,180 --> 00:21:44,318 operating across the country. 314 00:21:44,353 --> 00:21:48,387 It was organized, profitable, and much of it was on film. 315 00:21:49,939 --> 00:21:53,077 [Sneed] People then were filming children, 316 00:21:53,111 --> 00:21:55,249 and sending this film overseas 317 00:21:55,284 --> 00:21:58,077 or nationwide for people to view. 318 00:21:59,456 --> 00:22:02,284 We were watching what was going on every night 319 00:22:02,318 --> 00:22:05,560 trying to identify some of these men. 320 00:22:05,594 --> 00:22:08,146 [narrator] The customers were often the very people 321 00:22:08,180 --> 00:22:10,456 who had volunteered to help children. 322 00:22:11,836 --> 00:22:14,111 Trafficking in those days was done, 323 00:22:14,146 --> 00:22:17,008 I think an awful lot through foster care. 324 00:22:19,008 --> 00:22:22,146 These children would be taken in, 325 00:22:22,180 --> 00:22:25,008 somehow they would either leave foster care, 326 00:22:25,043 --> 00:22:28,594 or their foster parent would be involved in this filth. 327 00:22:29,905 --> 00:22:33,353 [narrator] It's a ghastly reality Sneed sees for herself 328 00:22:33,387 --> 00:22:35,146 on her last late night stakeout. 329 00:22:36,491 --> 00:22:40,215 [Sneed] It was in a cheesy-sleazy motel 330 00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:43,077 on Sheridan Road. 331 00:22:43,111 --> 00:22:47,456 The guy who was the foster father of this foster kid, 332 00:22:47,491 --> 00:22:49,698 and he was filming him, 333 00:22:49,732 --> 00:22:54,284 having sex with another boy that was much younger. 334 00:22:56,594 --> 00:22:58,318 The guy who was the foster father, 335 00:22:58,353 --> 00:23:00,629 I remember them putting him on the floor. 336 00:23:01,456 --> 00:23:03,180 His hands behind his back. 337 00:23:04,318 --> 00:23:06,525 And while they were handcuffing them, 338 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,698 one police officer threw me his gun and said, 339 00:23:09,387 --> 00:23:11,353 "Hold it on him, will you please?" 340 00:23:11,387 --> 00:23:12,870 I'm like, "Are you kidding me?" 341 00:23:14,974 --> 00:23:17,525 [narrator] After months of crisscrossing the country, 342 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,077 talking to police, pornographers and some of their victims, 343 00:23:21,111 --> 00:23:23,560 the Chicago Tribune publishes the series 344 00:23:23,594 --> 00:23:27,732 exposing the pedophile ring in America and the story explodes. 345 00:23:29,249 --> 00:23:30,525 Here's the first one. 346 00:23:32,180 --> 00:23:36,111 [narrator] It was a massive moment for Sneed and for the country. 347 00:23:36,146 --> 00:23:39,284 [Sneed] I had no idea that it would be this big. 348 00:23:39,318 --> 00:23:42,353 I knew it was gonna be a big crime story. 349 00:23:42,387 --> 00:23:45,111 It's just unbelievable. 350 00:23:45,146 --> 00:23:48,043 [narrator] The story went beyond Norman's operation 351 00:23:48,077 --> 00:23:50,111 to the tragedy of missing kids, 352 00:23:50,146 --> 00:23:52,870 especially boys in the 70s. 353 00:23:52,905 --> 00:23:55,767 I remember, um, a police officer saying to me 354 00:23:55,801 --> 00:23:58,801 after we did the child porn series, he said, 355 00:23:58,836 --> 00:24:01,939 "So you've taken on the one taboo. Finally." 356 00:24:01,974 --> 00:24:03,491 'Cause it's been taboo forever. 357 00:24:03,525 --> 00:24:05,318 Nobody really wanted to talk about it. 358 00:24:05,353 --> 00:24:07,525 Nobody really did anything about it. 359 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,077 Because a lot of it involved members of families. 360 00:24:12,284 --> 00:24:16,008 There were no real child obscenity laws. 361 00:24:16,043 --> 00:24:18,456 That's why this story became so big. 362 00:24:22,180 --> 00:24:24,491 [narrator] The series paves the way for new laws 363 00:24:24,525 --> 00:24:26,698 protecting children from being trafficked 364 00:24:26,732 --> 00:24:30,594 and made creating and distributing child pornography illegal. 365 00:24:32,146 --> 00:24:34,870 But for some, the law came too late. 366 00:24:38,318 --> 00:24:43,008 [narrator] Since 2011, Lieutenant Jason Moran has been trying to identify 367 00:24:43,043 --> 00:24:46,801 the last eight victims of John Wayne Gacy. 368 00:24:46,836 --> 00:24:48,594 I don't wanna bring attention to the killer. 369 00:24:49,870 --> 00:24:51,008 This isn't about him. 370 00:24:52,146 --> 00:24:56,077 This is about victims of murder. 371 00:24:57,215 --> 00:24:58,939 It's about missing persons. 372 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,180 Unidentified deceased persons. 373 00:25:04,180 --> 00:25:07,318 Families, providing answers. 374 00:25:09,215 --> 00:25:12,422 Not knowing the fate of your missing loved one 375 00:25:12,456 --> 00:25:15,215 is worse than hearing what happened? 376 00:25:17,974 --> 00:25:21,422 There wasn't a person in the United States 377 00:25:21,456 --> 00:25:24,905 that didn't hear of the Gacy serial killings. 378 00:25:24,939 --> 00:25:27,836 The media stories went on for months and months. 379 00:25:27,870 --> 00:25:30,318 So if you had a missing person in your life, 380 00:25:30,353 --> 00:25:31,594 a missing young man, 381 00:25:32,732 --> 00:25:35,732 you would've had to have heard the message. 382 00:25:35,767 --> 00:25:38,905 [reporter] When police uncovered the bodies of 27 young men 383 00:25:38,939 --> 00:25:40,387 buried at Gacy's home, 384 00:25:40,422 --> 00:25:43,387 they assumed they'd be deluged with phone calls. 385 00:25:43,422 --> 00:25:47,663 The parents of teenage boys who had disappeared the past few years would call, 386 00:25:47,698 --> 00:25:50,870 and that would help in the identification of the victims. 387 00:25:50,905 --> 00:25:52,180 But it hasn't happened. 388 00:25:53,939 --> 00:25:56,870 [narrator] Former Des Plaines detective Rafael Tovar 389 00:25:56,905 --> 00:25:59,180 was on the Gacy case from day one. 390 00:26:00,870 --> 00:26:05,491 [Rafael] We didn't have as much a response as we had hoped, 391 00:26:05,525 --> 00:26:08,836 and my thought is that 392 00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:14,146 1978, homosexuality was not as acceptable. 393 00:26:16,318 --> 00:26:21,525 It was hard to get people to come forth because of stigma attached to it. 394 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:26,008 And I think some people probably just said, you know, I don't wanna go there. 395 00:26:26,732 --> 00:26:28,008 If he's dead, he's dead. 396 00:26:31,663 --> 00:26:35,905 [narrator] But in 2011, when the Cook County sheriff reopened the case, 397 00:26:35,939 --> 00:26:39,249 attitudes about homosexuality were changing. 398 00:26:39,284 --> 00:26:42,318 The taboo of being gay was lifting. 399 00:26:42,353 --> 00:26:45,456 [Thomas] It was really incredible the first couple of days. 400 00:26:46,146 --> 00:26:47,939 Tip after tip was coming in 401 00:26:47,974 --> 00:26:51,077 of people who had always wondered 402 00:26:51,111 --> 00:26:55,974 and harbored some notion that maybe my son, my uncle, 403 00:26:56,008 --> 00:26:59,284 my cousin, my brother was a victim of Gacy, 404 00:26:59,318 --> 00:27:01,180 but really didn't know what they could do about it. 405 00:27:02,525 --> 00:27:04,663 [narrator] Thanks to DNA technology, 406 00:27:04,698 --> 00:27:07,284 two of Gacy's victims were identified. 407 00:27:07,318 --> 00:27:08,974 Six remain nameless. 408 00:27:10,732 --> 00:27:13,008 [Willa] I called up, and I said, 409 00:27:13,043 --> 00:27:15,732 "I'm calling in response to the Gacy investigation 410 00:27:15,767 --> 00:27:18,974 and I think my brother may be one of the victims." 411 00:27:21,387 --> 00:27:23,318 [narrator] For more than half of her life, 412 00:27:23,353 --> 00:27:27,215 Dr. Willa Wertheimer wondered what happened to her half-brother. 413 00:27:27,249 --> 00:27:29,284 [Willa] Is he out there somewhere? 414 00:27:29,318 --> 00:27:31,525 Incapacitated or suffering or... 415 00:27:32,698 --> 00:27:34,905 on drugs or living under a bridge. 416 00:27:34,939 --> 00:27:37,284 Or, you know, what happened, and where is he, 417 00:27:37,318 --> 00:27:38,318 and is he okay? 418 00:27:39,353 --> 00:27:41,180 I wanted so much to find him. 419 00:27:42,905 --> 00:27:45,801 [narrator] Fifteen-year-old Andy Drath of Chicago 420 00:27:45,836 --> 00:27:48,456 disappeared in late 1977. 421 00:27:49,836 --> 00:27:54,318 Andy was, um, almost two years older than I. 422 00:27:55,663 --> 00:27:59,629 We were, you know, always together. 423 00:27:59,663 --> 00:28:03,560 We fought sometimes like siblings do, but yeah, we were close 424 00:28:06,905 --> 00:28:12,456 When our mother died, I was five and a half, he was a little over seven. 425 00:28:12,491 --> 00:28:15,215 And I think the whole house fell apart. 426 00:28:17,111 --> 00:28:24,111 My father, his stepfather, he would sort of keep tabs on the situation, 427 00:28:24,146 --> 00:28:26,767 but they didn't have a good relationship, so... 428 00:28:30,284 --> 00:28:32,043 [sighs] I wouldn't know how to describe it. 429 00:28:33,456 --> 00:28:36,180 When you're labeled a bad kinda kid 430 00:28:36,215 --> 00:28:41,732 who is hyper, can't focus, grieving, 431 00:28:41,767 --> 00:28:44,629 you know, and, um, he couldn't find a place to fit. 432 00:28:46,732 --> 00:28:48,939 He started leaving home at around 10:00. 433 00:28:50,249 --> 00:28:51,905 He was very young. 434 00:28:51,939 --> 00:28:55,456 He was very traumatized, very unhappy. 435 00:28:55,491 --> 00:28:59,732 And it just kept escalating and getting worse. 436 00:28:59,767 --> 00:29:03,939 He'd come home, he'd go to a special school, he'd run away again. 437 00:29:08,318 --> 00:29:10,146 No matter what the ups and downs, 438 00:29:10,180 --> 00:29:14,353 even when he was off the grid, so to speak, he would call me 439 00:29:14,387 --> 00:29:16,146 and we would catch up a little bit. 440 00:29:17,353 --> 00:29:21,801 I was about 13 and we met up in the neighborhood 441 00:29:21,836 --> 00:29:25,146 and I noticed his voice was changing and getting deeper. 442 00:29:26,974 --> 00:29:28,974 And I had no idea that would be the last time I'd see him. 443 00:29:42,284 --> 00:29:46,456 [Jason] Missing person Andy Drath. 444 00:29:46,491 --> 00:29:51,284 He was lean number 49, and he was the right age. 445 00:29:51,318 --> 00:29:56,180 He was from the north side of Chicago where Gacy operated mainly 446 00:29:56,215 --> 00:30:00,111 He had a weak family bond. 447 00:30:00,146 --> 00:30:05,111 And was passed from placement to placement, 448 00:30:05,146 --> 00:30:08,008 to foster parent to placement. 449 00:30:08,043 --> 00:30:13,146 For a young man, uh, just had a hard time in life. 450 00:30:13,180 --> 00:30:14,767 He just really couldn't win. 451 00:30:16,111 --> 00:30:22,594 He further explained that Andy's Foster parent 452 00:30:22,629 --> 00:30:26,215 would victimize him sexually. 453 00:30:26,249 --> 00:30:32,008 He would put him in videos of him having sex with other men. 454 00:30:32,043 --> 00:30:36,836 He would push him out on the street to be a prostitute. 455 00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:43,939 This is a young man, white, operating as a prostitute on the north side of Chicago. 456 00:30:43,974 --> 00:30:45,836 There's no one looking for this young man. 457 00:30:45,870 --> 00:30:49,077 He's a perfect victim for John Gacy. 458 00:30:52,491 --> 00:30:55,456 [narrator] For 32 years, Willia Wertheimer of Chicago 459 00:30:55,491 --> 00:30:59,353 wondered if her half-brother, Andy Drath, was a Gacy victim. 460 00:31:00,111 --> 00:31:01,594 After submitting her DNA, 461 00:31:01,629 --> 00:31:04,698 to the Cook County Sheriff's Office, all she could do is wait. 462 00:31:07,146 --> 00:31:10,146 [Willia] The day Detective Moran was ready to make 463 00:31:10,180 --> 00:31:12,560 a positive identification, he drove out to me. 464 00:31:15,249 --> 00:31:18,422 We went over things that we're connecting and lining up. 465 00:31:20,732 --> 00:31:25,180 And then he sort of drew himself up a little bit 466 00:31:25,215 --> 00:31:29,801 and -- and said quite formally, that he regretted to inform me 467 00:31:29,836 --> 00:31:33,249 and, you know, told me. 468 00:31:33,284 --> 00:31:40,836 I would've bet a week's salary that Andy was one of Gacy's unidentified victims. 469 00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:42,491 I was wrong. My guess was wrong. 470 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,043 But Andy was still missing. 471 00:31:47,249 --> 00:31:50,594 So now Willia's DNA profile gets uploaded 472 00:31:50,629 --> 00:31:53,456 into the Federal DNA Database. 473 00:31:53,491 --> 00:31:58,387 A database that we use to identify missing persons or unidentified deceased persons. 474 00:32:00,043 --> 00:32:03,284 [narrator] Four years later and 2,000 miles away, 475 00:32:03,318 --> 00:32:05,284 Willia's wait comes to an end. 476 00:32:06,801 --> 00:32:08,284 [Jason] Willia's DNA profile 477 00:32:09,698 --> 00:32:14,111 was similar to an unidentified homicide victim from San Francisco. 478 00:32:15,146 --> 00:32:20,077 A young man that was found murdered 479 00:32:20,111 --> 00:32:23,836 and concealed in the beach off of the ocean. 480 00:32:25,663 --> 00:32:29,939 The genetic association between Willia and this unidentified murder victim, 481 00:32:29,974 --> 00:32:33,974 and the circumstances surrounding Andy's disappearance, 482 00:32:34,008 --> 00:32:37,249 and him traveling to San Francisco, we were able to say 483 00:32:37,284 --> 00:32:41,043 that that unidentified murder victim was Andy Drath. 484 00:32:52,008 --> 00:32:56,284 He was shot 485 00:32:56,318 --> 00:33:00,560 and buried in the sand at San Francisco Beach. 486 00:33:06,698 --> 00:33:12,318 I don't want to talk about the specific details, 487 00:33:12,353 --> 00:33:17,732 but I could tell that he knew it was coming. 488 00:33:17,767 --> 00:33:21,353 And he must have surely been terrified. 489 00:33:21,387 --> 00:33:26,629 [narrator] If Andy wasn't a Gacy victim, then who killed him and why? 490 00:33:26,663 --> 00:33:31,801 My case really could have stopped them, but I had to follow up on it. 491 00:33:32,905 --> 00:33:36,974 I couldn't leave Willa with those questions. 492 00:33:39,594 --> 00:33:41,284 Then my role kinda shifted 493 00:33:41,318 --> 00:33:43,387 to assisting the San Francisco Police Department 494 00:33:43,422 --> 00:33:45,387 with their open murder case. 495 00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:51,043 So I began looking for reasons why someone 496 00:33:51,077 --> 00:33:54,387 would want to kill Andy, who seemingly hurt no one. 497 00:33:55,525 --> 00:33:57,732 [narrator] Lieutenant Moran has stepped into a story 498 00:33:57,767 --> 00:34:01,629 uncovered when Andy disappeared in 1977, 499 00:34:01,663 --> 00:34:07,111 that spider's web of predators preying on boys across America. 500 00:34:07,146 --> 00:34:12,732 And I started to look more into Andy and learned that. 501 00:34:12,767 --> 00:34:18,043 Andy's foster parent, the one who was victimizing him 502 00:34:18,077 --> 00:34:23,767 by putting on the street to commit acts of prostitution, 503 00:34:23,801 --> 00:34:29,043 was arrested for these crimes, eventually, back in the late seventies, 504 00:34:29,077 --> 00:34:31,732 [narrator] The foster father on reporter Michael Sneed's 505 00:34:31,767 --> 00:34:34,594 last stakeout in May of 1977 506 00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:39,456 was a photographer for one of John David Norman's newsletters, Hermes. 507 00:34:39,491 --> 00:34:44,008 And the boy in the motel was Willa's brother Andy Drath. 508 00:34:45,077 --> 00:34:50,629 He was a witness in a trial against his abusers, 509 00:34:50,663 --> 00:34:55,284 a man who forced him to be a juvenile male prostitute. 510 00:34:55,318 --> 00:34:58,180 [Jason] The prosecutor at the time needed Andy 511 00:34:58,215 --> 00:35:02,111 to testify against his foster parents. 512 00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:08,629 It just seems from what I found, that this criminal prosecution 513 00:35:08,663 --> 00:35:10,008 was too much for him. 514 00:35:10,836 --> 00:35:12,318 And I started a locate documents 515 00:35:12,353 --> 00:35:15,180 saying that he was going to move to San Francisco. 516 00:35:15,215 --> 00:35:19,318 [narrator] But Andy couldn't escape the web, a national ring with tentacles 517 00:35:19,353 --> 00:35:21,456 in cities and towns across the country. 518 00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:26,043 I began to think that perhaps Andy's killer 519 00:35:26,077 --> 00:35:29,456 may be followed him from Chicago to San Francisco. 520 00:35:32,077 --> 00:35:35,974 [narrator] Was Andy one of the boys on Norman's index cards? 521 00:35:36,008 --> 00:35:39,111 And what secrets could he have told? 522 00:35:39,146 --> 00:35:43,284 To this day, Andy Drath's murder remains unsolved 523 00:35:45,146 --> 00:35:49,077 [Willa] For a good while, I kept reliving what I imagined he would feel, 524 00:35:50,698 --> 00:35:56,422 and I used to have a fantasy of 525 00:35:58,146 --> 00:36:02,353 dying with him so that he could look at the face 526 00:36:02,387 --> 00:36:06,939 of someone who loved him, instead of his killer. 527 00:36:12,698 --> 00:36:15,870 [narrator] At the Cook County Sheriff's Office, Lieutenant Jason Moran 528 00:36:15,905 --> 00:36:19,077 has been working tirelessly to give the last six 529 00:36:19,111 --> 00:36:21,836 of Gacy's victims their names back. 530 00:36:21,870 --> 00:36:24,077 He has leads on two more. 531 00:36:24,111 --> 00:36:27,836 Victim number 5 and victim number 28. 532 00:36:27,870 --> 00:36:31,767 [Jason] Victim number 28 was found buried in the backyard 533 00:36:31,801 --> 00:36:35,249 underneath the barbecue pit, and he still has never been identified. 534 00:36:36,767 --> 00:36:39,146 This ring was on the commitment finger 535 00:36:40,008 --> 00:36:42,939 of the left hand of Victim number 28, 536 00:36:42,974 --> 00:36:46,732 The reason why this always puzzled me was because it appears to be like 537 00:36:46,767 --> 00:36:49,249 a wedding ring or a promise ring, 538 00:36:50,456 --> 00:36:52,594 which means that someone 539 00:36:52,629 --> 00:36:54,008 should have been looking for this person. 540 00:36:55,698 --> 00:37:00,422 Time is of the essence, every month that goes by 541 00:37:00,456 --> 00:37:04,318 it's possible that we're losing individuals 542 00:37:04,353 --> 00:37:08,525 that are related to the victims and we need their biological sample. 543 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,456 for testing. 544 00:37:11,008 --> 00:37:14,939 As long as there's leads to follow, as long as 545 00:37:14,974 --> 00:37:18,974 there's people that I could talk to about their missing family members, 546 00:37:23,767 --> 00:37:28,111 [Reporter] The dangers confronting runaways are real in Houston,Texas, 547 00:37:28,146 --> 00:37:32,939 In 1973, Dean Corll killed 27 young boys, 548 00:37:32,974 --> 00:37:34,318 many of them runaways. 549 00:37:37,318 --> 00:37:40,939 A national runaway hotline was established to help parents 550 00:37:40,974 --> 00:37:42,491 from all over the country discover 551 00:37:42,525 --> 00:37:45,146 if their runaway children were among the murdered. 552 00:37:46,801 --> 00:37:49,629 [Sharon] When you put that final puzzle piece in, 553 00:37:49,663 --> 00:37:51,939 it's like a light comes on and you feel like 554 00:37:51,974 --> 00:37:55,111 you've really done something worthwhile. 555 00:37:55,146 --> 00:37:58,491 And that's why it is so fascinating to be a forensic anthropologist. 556 00:38:01,111 --> 00:38:05,560 [narrator] Since2006, Dr. Sharon Derek has been untangling the mystery 557 00:38:05,594 --> 00:38:08,387 of the last unidentified victims of Dean Corll. 558 00:38:09,801 --> 00:38:11,870 One last boy remains. 559 00:38:11,905 --> 00:38:15,215 If she can identify him, she can close the case 560 00:38:15,249 --> 00:38:17,525 on the candy man's reign of terror for good. 561 00:38:27,698 --> 00:38:34,180 This is the reconstruction of NL 73 33 56. 562 00:38:34,215 --> 00:38:40,525 It is not a picture of the boy himself, but it is a facial approximation 563 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,905 that using his bone structure measurements and some of the information 564 00:38:43,939 --> 00:38:48,767 we know about him. ace and a CT scan, artists put together 565 00:38:48,801 --> 00:38:51,146 what he may have looked like. 566 00:38:51,180 --> 00:38:56,387 We had submitted DNA samples from almost every bone in his body. 567 00:38:56,422 --> 00:39:01,560 We did a full anthropological analysis, came up with a profile that says 568 00:39:01,594 --> 00:39:04,111 that he was probably fifteen to seventeen years old. 569 00:39:04,146 --> 00:39:06,767 He was Caucasian. 570 00:39:06,801 --> 00:39:12,732 We call that European-American or he may have had some Hispanic. 571 00:39:12,767 --> 00:39:15,215 [narrator] Among his remains was a pair of boots, 572 00:39:15,249 --> 00:39:18,387 a t shirt and a striped Catalina swimsuit. 573 00:39:19,905 --> 00:39:24,594 Her best lead so far comes from a secret source. 574 00:39:24,629 --> 00:39:29,215 [Sharon] I think this kid is possibly a boy 575 00:39:29,249 --> 00:39:32,870 who I have several pictures of that were sent to me 576 00:39:32,905 --> 00:39:38,043 by on anonymous individual who maintained that this boy's name 577 00:39:38,077 --> 00:39:39,525 is Bobby French. 578 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,698 And that he was killed right after the pictures were taken. 579 00:39:44,663 --> 00:39:49,111 I don't know if that is true, but I do know that the pictures 580 00:39:49,146 --> 00:39:55,180 of this boy look very much like the facial structure of ML 73 33 56. 581 00:39:56,456 --> 00:39:59,215 The hair looks good, the jawline looks good. 582 00:39:59,249 --> 00:40:02,594 And so I'm very interested to know who that boy is 583 00:40:02,629 --> 00:40:06,594 and why this person thinks that he was a victim. 584 00:40:09,387 --> 00:40:13,215 Right now, the search for this boy's identity 585 00:40:13,249 --> 00:40:18,146 is in the hands of genealogical DNA. 586 00:40:18,180 --> 00:40:20,525 [narrator] Dr. Derrick is no longer with the Harris County 587 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,870 medical examiner's office, But some things never leave you. 588 00:40:24,905 --> 00:40:27,870 Whoever sent those photos remains a mystery, 589 00:40:27,905 --> 00:40:31,249 and the best hope is to track down Bobby French. 590 00:40:31,284 --> 00:40:36,077 If this production can do that, can track down family members 591 00:40:36,111 --> 00:40:42,077 of a Bobby French who may either had be deceased or who is fine now. 592 00:40:42,111 --> 00:40:45,905 It would be very helpful to the investigation. 593 00:40:45,939 --> 00:40:49,353 [narrator] Every one of Corll's victims came from the Houston area, 594 00:40:49,387 --> 00:40:51,870 many from the same neighborhood. 595 00:40:51,905 --> 00:40:55,905 If this boy wasn't from Houston, could he be one of sex trafficker 596 00:40:55,939 --> 00:40:59,387 John David Norman's boys for rent? 597 00:40:59,422 --> 00:41:03,560 Was Norman's ring bigger and more dangerous than anyone knew? 598 00:41:03,594 --> 00:41:05,491 Even John Wayne Gacy. 599 00:41:06,939 --> 00:41:08,008 [speaking] 600 00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:09,836 [speaking] 601 00:41:09,870 --> 00:41:12,767 [speaking] 602 00:41:13,353 --> 00:41:16,008 [speaking] 603 00:41:16,043 --> 00:41:17,146 [speaking] 604 00:41:17,180 --> 00:41:19,870 [speaking] 605 00:41:19,905 --> 00:41:24,249 [narrator] During those first few months, Randy White delves into the victims. 606 00:41:24,284 --> 00:41:27,077 And the more they talked, the more Randi wondered 607 00:41:27,111 --> 00:41:29,111 if there was something to Gacy's claims. 608 00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:32,594 [speaking] 609 00:41:32,629 --> 00:41:35,284 [speaking] 610 00:41:35,318 --> 00:41:39,249 [Randy] In the police reports, yes, some were involved in prostitution, 611 00:41:39,284 --> 00:41:43,180 and were a homosexual or hustlers or both. 612 00:41:43,870 --> 00:41:46,939 [speaking] 613 00:41:46,974 --> 00:41:48,387 [speaking] 614 00:41:48,422 --> 00:41:50,905 [speaking] 615 00:41:50,939 --> 00:41:52,732 [speaking] 616 00:41:52,767 --> 00:41:55,008 [speaking] 617 00:41:55,043 --> 00:41:57,767 [speaking] 618 00:41:57,801 --> 00:41:59,801 [speaking] 619 00:42:01,111 --> 00:42:03,180 [speaking] 620 00:42:04,836 --> 00:42:09,180 [speaking] 621 00:42:09,215 --> 00:42:11,905 [speaking] 622 00:42:13,180 --> 00:42:15,663 [speaking] 623 00:42:16,594 --> 00:42:19,732 [speaking] 624 00:42:20,525 --> 00:42:21,560 [speaking] 625 00:42:21,594 --> 00:42:23,870 [speaking] 626 00:42:25,353 --> 00:42:28,767 [speaking] 627 00:42:29,215 --> 00:42:31,698 [speaking] 628 00:42:37,594 --> 00:42:40,180 [narrator] Since first contacting John Wayne Gacy in prison, 629 00:42:40,215 --> 00:42:43,008 Randy White has spent countless hours on the phone with him, 630 00:42:43,043 --> 00:42:44,594 compiling articles, 631 00:42:44,629 --> 00:42:46,111 books and documents 632 00:42:46,146 --> 00:42:48,146 to help in Gacy's appeal. 633 00:42:48,180 --> 00:42:50,732 He even visits the killer clown in prison. 634 00:42:53,801 --> 00:42:56,732 [Randy] It was Halloween, 1989, 635 00:42:56,767 --> 00:43:00,870 and I've made my first visit with Casey at Menard. 636 00:43:00,905 --> 00:43:03,249 And I was getting a little bit nervous 637 00:43:03,284 --> 00:43:07,560 because here I am seeing a serial killer on death row. 638 00:43:07,594 --> 00:43:10,180 And I'm looking down the hall while I'm signing in, 639 00:43:10,215 --> 00:43:11,594 and there he is. 640 00:43:11,629 --> 00:43:14,422 I'm thinking to myself, "He looks like a wimp." 641 00:43:14,456 --> 00:43:16,870 And he was charming, he was smiling. 642 00:43:16,905 --> 00:43:20,284 And we sat at a table just as close as you and I are. 643 00:43:20,318 --> 00:43:24,905 All the time, like, I'm thinking, "Did he kill these kids? 644 00:43:24,939 --> 00:43:27,905 How could somebody like that kill all these kids?" 645 00:43:27,939 --> 00:43:29,387 He's like your next door neighbor. 646 00:43:31,043 --> 00:43:32,629 [narrator] The longer they talk, 647 00:43:32,663 --> 00:43:36,180 and the deeper Randy digs into the victims and the details of the case, 648 00:43:36,215 --> 00:43:38,077 the stronger his suspicion grows 649 00:43:38,111 --> 00:43:40,767 that there's more here than meets the eye. 650 00:43:40,801 --> 00:43:42,698 [recorded voice] This call is subject to being recorded. 651 00:43:42,732 --> 00:43:43,836 Hang up to decline the call. 652 00:43:43,870 --> 00:43:45,594 To accept the call, dial three, 653 00:43:45,629 --> 00:43:48,525 or clearly say, "Yes, I accept," at the tone. 654 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:49,939 -[beep] -[man] Yes, I accept. 655 00:43:51,422 --> 00:43:52,698 [Gacy speaking over phone] 656 00:44:00,077 --> 00:44:02,008 [narrator] Phillip Paske was the young man 657 00:44:02,043 --> 00:44:05,974 who was helping John Norman run his call-boy service for pedophiles 658 00:44:06,008 --> 00:44:08,974 the Delta Project from the Cook County Jail. 659 00:44:09,008 --> 00:44:11,594 It's a name Gacy knows. 660 00:44:11,629 --> 00:44:14,629 Phillip Paske works for John Wayne Gacy. 661 00:44:15,353 --> 00:44:18,491 So he knew about Paske. 662 00:44:18,525 --> 00:44:24,111 Gacy told me that he knew the Paske worked for him, 663 00:44:24,146 --> 00:44:28,836 and Paske was a good friend of David Cram, who also worked for Gacy. 664 00:44:30,008 --> 00:44:33,629 [narrator] In early 1976, Paske was paroled, 665 00:44:33,663 --> 00:44:37,180 but continued to run Norman's boys-for-rent newsletter. 666 00:44:37,215 --> 00:44:40,146 Norman was paroled in 1977, 667 00:44:40,180 --> 00:44:42,698 and they kept their mail order sex business going 668 00:44:42,732 --> 00:44:45,111 until Norman was arrested again, 669 00:44:45,146 --> 00:44:49,594 this time for molesting two foster care boys. 670 00:44:49,629 --> 00:44:53,767 That's when Paske went to work for Gacy. 671 00:44:53,801 --> 00:44:58,801 And incredibly, Paske had a key to John Wayne Gacy's house. 672 00:44:58,836 --> 00:45:02,353 Gacy handed out keys to some of his employees 673 00:45:02,387 --> 00:45:06,353 and let them come and go while he was out of the house working. 674 00:45:07,180 --> 00:45:08,387 [Gacy speaking over phone] 675 00:45:14,387 --> 00:45:15,387 [Randy] Mmm-hmm. 676 00:45:15,422 --> 00:45:16,215 [Gacy speaking over phone] 677 00:45:36,767 --> 00:45:40,870 I believe there was a connection between John Norman and John Gacy 678 00:45:40,905 --> 00:45:44,905 through Phillip Paske, who was Norman's right-hand man. 679 00:45:46,077 --> 00:45:47,870 [narrator] Gacy floats the idea 680 00:45:47,905 --> 00:45:51,767 this nationwide pedophile ring could get him off death row. 681 00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:53,939 [Gacy speaking over phone] 682 00:45:59,491 --> 00:46:00,387 [Randy] Yeah. 683 00:46:00,422 --> 00:46:01,284 [Gacy speaking over phone] 684 00:46:04,974 --> 00:46:05,870 [Randy speaking] 685 00:46:05,905 --> 00:46:06,732 [Gacy speaking over phone] 686 00:46:09,629 --> 00:46:13,249 [narrator] That means finding the ringleader of the sex trafficking network, 687 00:46:13,284 --> 00:46:15,905 Paske's buddy, John Norman. 688 00:46:17,801 --> 00:46:19,422 [Randy] I was trying to track down Norman, 689 00:46:19,456 --> 00:46:22,249 just see what I could get out of him 690 00:46:23,456 --> 00:46:27,043 in terms of knowing Gacy or mis-operations. 691 00:46:27,836 --> 00:46:28,767 [Gacy speaking over phone] 692 00:46:37,318 --> 00:46:38,215 [Randy speaking] 693 00:46:38,939 --> 00:46:39,836 [Gacy speaking over phone] 694 00:46:44,525 --> 00:46:48,456 [narrator] Randy writes to Norman, and he responds right away, 695 00:46:48,491 --> 00:46:50,836 describing himself as a writer, 696 00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:54,767 former TV producer and a school teacher. 697 00:46:54,801 --> 00:46:56,905 [Randy] I wrote him in such a way 698 00:46:56,939 --> 00:47:01,974 that he would think that I was a follow person of his interests. 699 00:47:02,836 --> 00:47:04,560 My first letter with him. 700 00:47:04,594 --> 00:47:11,387 he was very detailed in stuff that normally you wouldn't tell a stranger. 701 00:47:11,422 --> 00:47:14,560 [narrator] He brags that his boys for red business in Dallas 702 00:47:14,594 --> 00:47:18,732 gave those young men a better life than they've ever known. 703 00:47:18,767 --> 00:47:21,870 He admits to his relationship with Phillip Paske in Chicago, 704 00:47:21,905 --> 00:47:23,905 and the Delta Project, 705 00:47:23,939 --> 00:47:29,043 the newsletter that launched the Chicago Tribune expose on child pornography in America. 706 00:47:29,077 --> 00:47:31,905 "Yes, the Delta Project is mine. 707 00:47:31,939 --> 00:47:37,318 It's the operation Phil Paske and I ran during the months I was out on bail. 708 00:47:37,353 --> 00:47:42,491 The program gave them access to businessmen and others who could help them. 709 00:47:42,525 --> 00:47:46,456 And if sex was part of the deal, it was to their advantage." 710 00:47:48,215 --> 00:47:52,111 [narrator] In 1978, Paske wasn't just working for Norman, 711 00:47:52,146 --> 00:47:53,870 he was living with him. 712 00:47:53,905 --> 00:47:57,318 But when Norman was busted for molesting two foster kids, 713 00:47:57,353 --> 00:48:00,318 the Delta Project fizzled out. 714 00:48:00,353 --> 00:48:02,456 [Randy] Paske was there at the time of the arrest. 715 00:48:02,491 --> 00:48:04,249 Even though he was on parole, 716 00:48:04,284 --> 00:48:08,215 he wasn't arrested for some reason. 717 00:48:08,249 --> 00:48:11,629 Um, I could never find out why. 718 00:48:11,663 --> 00:48:13,387 [narrator] Shortly after that bust, 719 00:48:13,422 --> 00:48:18,629 Paske got the job working for Gacy through his buddy, David Cram. 720 00:48:18,663 --> 00:48:23,732 So who's to say that Paske wasn't using his crawl space 721 00:48:23,767 --> 00:48:28,387 as a dumping ground for young kids who won't go along with Norman's operation, 722 00:48:28,422 --> 00:48:31,525 or want to get out of Norman's operations? 723 00:48:32,732 --> 00:48:34,422 This is huge. 724 00:48:34,456 --> 00:48:38,111 How involved was Norman with Gacy? 725 00:48:39,905 --> 00:48:41,249 Gacy was a bragger. 726 00:48:41,284 --> 00:48:43,387 He always wanted to get others involved. 727 00:48:43,422 --> 00:48:44,629 He got me involved. 728 00:48:45,732 --> 00:48:47,801 Gacy couldn't have done it alone, 729 00:48:47,836 --> 00:48:51,974 just like people like Dean Corll and Norman. 730 00:48:52,732 --> 00:48:54,629 [narrator] Norman was a big player 731 00:48:54,663 --> 00:48:57,560 running a giant pool of boys across the country, 732 00:48:57,594 --> 00:49:00,215 and his network had tentacles everywhere, 733 00:49:00,249 --> 00:49:03,836 including some of America's most trusted institutions. 734 00:49:06,043 --> 00:49:08,353 Call it fate or serendipity, 735 00:49:08,387 --> 00:49:12,974 but a broken conveyor belt and a roll of film exposed one of them. 736 00:49:15,663 --> 00:49:18,629 [Frank] August 23rd, 1976. 737 00:49:18,663 --> 00:49:20,801 We received a phone call 738 00:49:20,836 --> 00:49:25,698 from the regional manager of Fotomat labs in Dallas, Texas. 739 00:49:25,732 --> 00:49:27,318 The conveyor belt broke down, 740 00:49:27,353 --> 00:49:30,698 and on the conveyor belt was a series of photographs 741 00:49:30,732 --> 00:49:34,249 that had two adult males having sex with a young boy. 742 00:49:34,284 --> 00:49:37,974 And he said it came from Harry O Cramer in New Orleans. 743 00:49:38,008 --> 00:49:42,836 He said, "Are you all interested in possibly investigating the situation?" 744 00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:46,111 And we said, "Absolutely, Can you send it to us?" 745 00:49:46,146 --> 00:49:47,249 And that's how the case began. 746 00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:52,249 [Gus] We looked at the photos for several days 747 00:49:52,284 --> 00:49:56,353 and there was no identifying information. 748 00:49:56,387 --> 00:49:59,594 No address, the phone number was disconnected. 749 00:49:59,629 --> 00:50:01,456 But while we were looking, 750 00:50:01,491 --> 00:50:04,836 the lieutenant walked by and he said, 751 00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:09,111 "There's a Boys' Life magazine on the coffee table. 752 00:50:09,146 --> 00:50:13,836 You can only get those if you're Boy Scout, troop leader or member." 753 00:50:15,318 --> 00:50:19,180 We headed immediately over to the Boy Scout office. 754 00:50:19,215 --> 00:50:21,111 [Frank] They completely stonewalled us. 755 00:50:21,146 --> 00:50:23,422 In fact, they came out with one piece of paper 756 00:50:23,456 --> 00:50:25,870 and said, "This is all we have." 757 00:50:25,905 --> 00:50:28,111 [narrator] After months of DAGA detective work, 758 00:50:28,146 --> 00:50:30,077 they learned the two men in the photos 759 00:50:30,111 --> 00:50:34,111 were both assistant scoutmasters in Troop 137, 760 00:50:34,146 --> 00:50:38,594 38-year-old Raymond Woodall, and 22-year-old Harry Cramer, 761 00:50:38,629 --> 00:50:41,939 the name on the original film receipt. 762 00:50:41,974 --> 00:50:44,663 [Gus] Harry Cramer, he was kind of like a minor player. 763 00:50:44,698 --> 00:50:47,077 He just happened to make a mistake 764 00:50:47,111 --> 00:50:48,767 by dropping that film roll. 765 00:50:48,801 --> 00:50:50,836 [Frank] Woodall, who in my opinion, 766 00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:55,801 was probably one of the most devious and probably one of the smartest. 767 00:50:55,836 --> 00:50:57,801 [Gus] He was the organizer. 768 00:50:57,836 --> 00:50:59,422 From talking to different kids, 769 00:50:59,456 --> 00:51:02,008 and we got names of other individuals 770 00:51:02,043 --> 00:51:05,215 that weren't Boy Scout leaders or members, 771 00:51:05,249 --> 00:51:08,905 but they were grown-ups that would associate with them. 772 00:51:08,939 --> 00:51:14,180 [Frank] They had on index file that was quite voluminous, 773 00:51:14,215 --> 00:51:18,491 hand-written, and it was all of their contacts. 774 00:51:18,525 --> 00:51:22,215 They had literally business file cabinets full of information, 775 00:51:22,249 --> 00:51:25,525 and they had this Rolodex of index cards, 776 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,560 recipe cards, if you would, 777 00:51:27,594 --> 00:51:30,043 that they had with a lot of names on it. 778 00:51:30,077 --> 00:51:34,560 I mean, we literally had a room full of evidence as a result of those searches. 779 00:51:35,525 --> 00:51:39,008 [narrator] Troop 137 was a front. 780 00:51:39,043 --> 00:51:42,353 Their leaders recruited boys from broken homes into the troop, 781 00:51:42,387 --> 00:51:44,905 and sent many of them around the country 782 00:51:44,939 --> 00:51:47,594 for the pleasure of men willing to pay for them. 783 00:51:48,974 --> 00:51:50,836 [Frank] I would call it a pedophile cell, 784 00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:53,732 they would infiltrate organizations like Big Brothers, 785 00:51:53,767 --> 00:51:57,249 child welfare services, police departments, 786 00:51:57,284 --> 00:51:58,870 who worked their way into positions 787 00:51:58,905 --> 00:52:01,422 where they had access to children. 788 00:52:01,456 --> 00:52:05,732 [Gus] They actually had, like, a procedure, a guideline 789 00:52:05,767 --> 00:52:07,801 on what type of kid to look for, 790 00:52:07,836 --> 00:52:09,629 and what to do if this happens, 791 00:52:09,663 --> 00:52:11,387 what not to do if this happens. 792 00:52:12,939 --> 00:52:15,008 [narrator] One year after finding the photos 793 00:52:15,043 --> 00:52:17,629 of Woodall and Cramer having sex with a young boy, 794 00:52:17,663 --> 00:52:20,249 they, along with two other Scout leaders, 795 00:52:20,284 --> 00:52:22,939 were convicted of setting up Troop 137 796 00:52:22,974 --> 00:52:26,008 for the purpose of molesting boys. 797 00:52:26,043 --> 00:52:29,767 Woodall was handed a 75-year sentence and died in prison. 798 00:52:29,801 --> 00:52:32,249 Cramer was given 45 years. 799 00:52:32,284 --> 00:52:36,077 This time, some of their clients were also charged. 800 00:52:36,111 --> 00:52:39,146 Like 54- year-old millionaire real estate broker, 801 00:52:39,180 --> 00:52:41,387 Hugh Scott Mellor of Boston. 802 00:52:41,422 --> 00:52:43,801 He was sentenced to 5 years. 803 00:52:43,836 --> 00:52:46,974 Forty-one-year-old industrialist Richard Jacobs, 804 00:52:47,008 --> 00:52:49,905 a one-time part owner of the New England Patriots, 805 00:52:49,939 --> 00:52:54,008 was charged with 15 counts of aggravated crimes against nature, 806 00:52:54,043 --> 00:52:58,215 but posted bail and skipped town before facing trial. 807 00:52:58,249 --> 00:53:00,318 Jacobs was never found. 808 00:53:00,353 --> 00:53:02,836 It wasn't only these people. 809 00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:05,525 It was numerous other people. 810 00:53:06,491 --> 00:53:07,663 [narrator] Woodall admits 811 00:53:07,698 --> 00:53:10,560 that top politicians from around the US 812 00:53:10,594 --> 00:53:12,732 were some of the Troops' customers. 813 00:53:14,353 --> 00:53:16,180 Not only national, but it was international. 814 00:53:16,215 --> 00:53:21,732 I mean, we had pedophiles that we identified in Bermuda, in the UK, 815 00:53:21,767 --> 00:53:23,801 -in Australia... -[man] Germany. 816 00:53:23,836 --> 00:53:27,491 Germany, uh, Czechoslovakia. 817 00:53:27,525 --> 00:53:29,974 [narrator] And Woodall's name was found in none other 818 00:53:30,008 --> 00:53:32,284 than John Norman's address book. 819 00:53:33,698 --> 00:53:36,870 They had a much wider network 820 00:53:36,905 --> 00:53:42,215 and I think John Norman was looking at this is as an example and said, 821 00:53:42,249 --> 00:53:43,525 "Hey, I can do this." 822 00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,008 Mm-hmm. 823 00:53:45,043 --> 00:53:47,801 There were definitely some characteristics 824 00:53:47,836 --> 00:53:50,387 that pedophile cells have in common with terrorist cells. 825 00:53:50,422 --> 00:53:52,111 The violence might be different, 826 00:53:52,146 --> 00:53:55,318 but in terms of being like a sleeper cell, 827 00:53:55,353 --> 00:53:58,732 where they're there and the general public doesn't know about it, 828 00:53:58,767 --> 00:54:01,043 I think it's probably an apt comparison. 829 00:54:02,732 --> 00:54:06,043 [Jerome] The Boy Scouts was a very good hunting ground for these pedophiles. 830 00:54:06,077 --> 00:54:08,043 I mean, it just provides that cover. 831 00:54:08,077 --> 00:54:11,249 It also helps them gather prey in one area, 832 00:54:11,284 --> 00:54:13,905 and they can just pick and choose among they want. 833 00:54:13,939 --> 00:54:16,594 [narrator] Jerome Elam of Florida isn't just 834 00:54:16,629 --> 00:54:18,974 an observer of the pedophile ring. 835 00:54:19,008 --> 00:54:21,456 I was sexually exploited by a pedophile ring from age five to age 12. 836 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:29,594 [narrator] In these series, 837 00:54:29,629 --> 00:54:31,698 most of the victims of sex trafficking 838 00:54:31,732 --> 00:54:36,215 have been photos of young men or names in police and news reports. 839 00:54:36,249 --> 00:54:41,008 Jerome Elam of Florida was a victim of one of these pedophile rings, 840 00:54:41,043 --> 00:54:46,491 abused and trafficked by his own family from the age of five. 841 00:54:46,525 --> 00:54:49,353 [Jerome] My mother was an alcoholic, pregnant at 17, 842 00:54:49,387 --> 00:54:51,043 my parents divorced 843 00:54:51,077 --> 00:54:54,249 and my mother's alcoholism just spiraled out of control. 844 00:54:54,284 --> 00:54:57,215 She began to date a series of dirt bags 845 00:54:57,249 --> 00:55:00,491 until one day she brought home a man we thought would change our lives. 846 00:55:00,525 --> 00:55:06,491 Uh, but this individual, after about six months, begin to molest me. 847 00:55:06,525 --> 00:55:09,008 He used me to do child pornography, and then began to track me 848 00:55:09,043 --> 00:55:11,318 through the pedophile ring he belonged to. 849 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,318 First time that I was actually sold 850 00:55:16,353 --> 00:55:18,698 was at a truck stop in a truck stop bathroom, 851 00:55:18,732 --> 00:55:21,422 so I was sold to five individuals, including it, one woman. 852 00:55:23,111 --> 00:55:24,663 They would come and just rape me. 853 00:55:24,698 --> 00:55:26,491 [lights fluctuating] 854 00:55:26,525 --> 00:55:28,905 When it's your first time, you're just rolling, 855 00:55:28,939 --> 00:55:31,491 that gear to deal with what's going on. 856 00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,905 They use drugs, cocaine in my case, 857 00:55:35,939 --> 00:55:38,043 you know, Quaaludes back in the '70s, 858 00:55:38,077 --> 00:55:40,767 alcohol to make you more compliant. 859 00:55:40,801 --> 00:55:44,663 And these individuals essentially pay to do whatever they want. 860 00:55:44,698 --> 00:55:50,249 And there are just these depths of the pravity that exists in that dark world. 861 00:55:52,180 --> 00:55:55,594 It's just really like looking into the abyss. 862 00:55:55,629 --> 00:55:58,905 The traffickers would come in and slap you around 863 00:55:58,939 --> 00:56:01,043 and really just make you compliant with what's going on. 864 00:56:02,594 --> 00:56:04,491 You know, that was part of the training process 865 00:56:04,525 --> 00:56:06,663 where they kind of, you know, they kind of got you to a point 866 00:56:06,698 --> 00:56:10,284 where you are just the object where they would just kind of come in. 867 00:56:10,318 --> 00:56:13,008 And you are a robot to do what they want. 868 00:56:13,043 --> 00:56:16,318 If a child lost their life, they would just move on to another one. 869 00:56:17,456 --> 00:56:20,318 As a child, I was desperate for affection, 870 00:56:20,353 --> 00:56:22,905 like a drowning man's desperate for oxygen. 871 00:56:22,939 --> 00:56:24,663 So, part of the grooming process 872 00:56:24,698 --> 00:56:26,801 is that when someone comes along 873 00:56:26,836 --> 00:56:31,318 and pays attention to you, um, you're immediately hooked. 874 00:56:31,353 --> 00:56:36,456 I mean, these were kids who have been ground down. 875 00:56:38,008 --> 00:56:39,905 [recording playing] 876 00:57:08,491 --> 00:57:10,629 [Jerome] You look at John Wayne Gacy and Norman and 877 00:57:10,663 --> 00:57:13,422 Dean Corll, I mean, they were like kids in a candy shop, 878 00:57:13,456 --> 00:57:17,180 because they just saw opportunity everywhere they looked in the '70s. 879 00:57:17,215 --> 00:57:18,698 When they chose a victim, 880 00:57:18,732 --> 00:57:21,353 they knew that victim was theirs to keep. 881 00:57:21,387 --> 00:57:23,801 They could trap them in this emotional 882 00:57:23,836 --> 00:57:25,801 psychological quicksand they couldn't escape. 883 00:57:29,836 --> 00:57:32,491 [narrator] When he was arrested in 1978, 884 00:57:32,525 --> 00:57:34,974 Gacy told the police in great detail 885 00:57:35,008 --> 00:57:37,974 how he picked up and murdered his victims. 886 00:57:38,008 --> 00:57:41,870 But by the time he started talking to Randy White a decade later, 887 00:57:41,905 --> 00:57:44,043 his story changed dramatically. 888 00:57:45,077 --> 00:57:48,008 [recording playing] 889 00:58:12,767 --> 00:58:15,249 [narrator] Since his arrest, Casey has turned down 890 00:58:15,284 --> 00:58:20,560 every request for an interview from Truman Capote to Oprah Winfrey. 891 00:58:20,594 --> 00:58:24,905 Finally, in May of 1992, armed with the information Randy dug up, 892 00:58:24,939 --> 00:58:29,249 he was ready to tell the world a different story and get off death row. 893 00:58:29,284 --> 00:58:32,939 And he knows exactly who he wants to talk to. 894 00:58:32,974 --> 00:58:34,974 Currency and our businesses is the scope. 895 00:58:35,008 --> 00:58:39,284 I, like every other person was not only interested in Gacy, 896 00:58:39,318 --> 00:58:42,387 but interested in beating each other to get Gacy 897 00:58:42,422 --> 00:58:44,249 and I started to write letters. 898 00:58:44,284 --> 00:58:45,974 I wrote him a letter a week. 899 00:58:46,008 --> 00:58:50,456 I called Menard State Prison, where he was on death row, 900 00:58:50,491 --> 00:58:52,284 and ask to speak to him. 901 00:58:52,318 --> 00:58:54,525 This went on for more than a year. 902 00:58:55,939 --> 00:58:58,698 [recording playing] 903 00:59:10,974 --> 00:59:12,974 [machine whirring, gate opening] 904 00:59:13,008 --> 00:59:16,043 [Walter] I wasn't sure what I wanted to get from him 905 00:59:17,284 --> 00:59:20,974 because anything he said, was going to make news. 906 00:59:22,043 --> 00:59:23,905 He said. "What do you want to know?" 907 00:59:23,939 --> 00:59:25,043 "Whatever you want to tell me." 908 00:59:25,974 --> 00:59:27,422 [narrator] Despite his confessions, 909 00:59:27,456 --> 00:59:31,215 Gacy now claims he didn't kill 33 boys 910 00:59:31,249 --> 00:59:35,077 and paints himself as the misunderstood victim of circumstance. 911 00:59:35,111 --> 00:59:37,318 He starts with smearing the victims. 912 00:59:37,353 --> 00:59:38,456 [Gacy] And what we did with each one, 913 00:59:38,491 --> 00:59:40,594 we did profile sheets on them... 914 00:59:40,629 --> 00:59:44,422 We wanted to know what the kid was into, what his background was 915 00:59:44,456 --> 00:59:48,284 when they paint the image that I was this monster who... 916 00:59:48,318 --> 00:59:50,698 who picked up like these altar boys along the street 917 00:59:50,732 --> 00:59:53,594 and swatted 'em like flies, this is ludicrous. 918 00:59:53,629 --> 00:59:55,801 He really believes it. 919 00:59:55,836 --> 00:59:59,939 He said the only thing I could be arrested and convicted for 920 00:59:59,974 --> 01:00:04,629 was running a cemetery at my house. 921 01:00:04,663 --> 01:00:08,698 [narrator] His house did double as headquarters for his construction company 922 01:00:08,732 --> 01:00:11,663 and a flophouse for some of his employees. 923 01:00:11,698 --> 01:00:13,111 According to Gacy, 924 01:00:13,146 --> 01:00:15,629 they could have buried the bodies in the crawl space 925 01:00:15,663 --> 01:00:17,008 while he was out of town. 926 01:00:18,215 --> 01:00:22,491 Michael Rossi, David Cram and Phillip Paske, all employees 927 01:00:22,525 --> 01:00:26,836 of PDM contractors, all with keys to the house on Summerdale. 928 01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:30,422 [Walter] He tried to trap me into giving him a space 929 01:00:30,456 --> 01:00:33,491 to talk to the world about what he didn't do 930 01:00:33,525 --> 01:00:36,077 and in five minutes he was telling me how he did it. 931 01:00:37,456 --> 01:00:40,008 Shoelace. You're in trouble now. 932 01:00:40,043 --> 01:00:43,663 [Walter] He asked my cameraman to give him a piece of string, 933 01:00:43,698 --> 01:00:46,249 and a cameraman undid his shoes, 934 01:00:46,284 --> 01:00:48,491 took a lace out, handed it to him, 935 01:00:48,525 --> 01:00:51,284 and Gacy started to wrap it around his wrist. 936 01:00:51,318 --> 01:00:54,284 The only thing I ever learned from Boy Scouts is a tourniquet knot. 937 01:00:54,318 --> 01:00:56,353 It's hard trying to do this. 938 01:00:56,387 --> 01:01:00,663 And he couldn't get it around because he had one hand being wrapped 939 01:01:00,698 --> 01:01:03,180 and he couldn't tie a knot with the other hand. 940 01:01:03,215 --> 01:01:05,525 So he asked me to give him my arm... 941 01:01:07,353 --> 01:01:08,836 [Gacy] Knot in it. 942 01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:10,249 Then you put a second knot in it. 943 01:01:11,180 --> 01:01:12,560 Okay? 944 01:01:12,594 --> 01:01:14,629 Then you take a stick and stick it in here, 945 01:01:14,663 --> 01:01:16,870 and you just turn this 946 01:01:16,905 --> 01:01:18,560 and it causes an tourniquet. 947 01:01:18,594 --> 01:01:21,249 [male voice] Precisely the kind of knot found on the ropes 948 01:01:21,284 --> 01:01:23,491 wrapped around the necks of the victims 949 01:01:23,525 --> 01:01:25,698 found under the house on Summerdale. 950 01:01:25,732 --> 01:01:28,767 He did think that he could talk himself out of it, 951 01:01:28,801 --> 01:01:30,905 that he could get this decision reversed, 952 01:01:30,939 --> 01:01:32,249 that he wouldn't have to die. 953 01:01:33,525 --> 01:01:35,043 [recording playing] 954 01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:53,456 [narrator] Gacy's attempt to rewrite history fails. 955 01:01:53,491 --> 01:01:59,008 The execution date is set for the 10th of May, 26 years to the day 956 01:01:59,043 --> 01:02:02,732 after his first arrest for sodomy in Waterloo, Iowa. 957 01:02:03,698 --> 01:02:07,387 Before my mother died, I remember her saying, 958 01:02:07,422 --> 01:02:12,043 I want to be here the day that they put him to death. 959 01:02:12,077 --> 01:02:14,422 I want to push the button. 960 01:02:14,456 --> 01:02:16,284 [narrator] Eugenia Godzik's brother, Greg, 961 01:02:16,318 --> 01:02:20,077 worked for Gacy and was murdered by him in 1976. 962 01:02:21,836 --> 01:02:24,767 [Walter] Gacy was flown by helicopter 963 01:02:24,801 --> 01:02:28,077 up to the state penitentiary in Joliet. 964 01:02:28,111 --> 01:02:30,905 [Eugenia] My husband and I went to the prison. 965 01:02:30,939 --> 01:02:33,111 It's unbelievable. 966 01:02:33,146 --> 01:02:37,629 It's a huge, a huge building, very ornate. 967 01:02:38,525 --> 01:02:40,629 But it's kind of creepy. 968 01:02:40,663 --> 01:02:44,456 When you walk in, you're like, "Oh, God." 969 01:02:44,491 --> 01:02:50,180 I thought we were going to be able to see when they were injecting 970 01:02:50,215 --> 01:02:53,249 whatever solution they use and they said, "Oh, you can't go." 971 01:02:53,284 --> 01:02:55,422 And I said, "What?" 972 01:02:55,456 --> 01:02:58,663 I said, "I'm doing this for my mom and I can't be in there?" 973 01:02:58,698 --> 01:03:02,801 They said, "No." The media could be there, but we could not. 974 01:03:04,215 --> 01:03:07,043 [narrator] Just after midnight, Gacy, "the killer clown" 975 01:03:07,077 --> 01:03:09,422 was put to death by lethal injection. 976 01:03:10,318 --> 01:03:12,387 We're sitting there and you're waiting 977 01:03:12,422 --> 01:03:14,663 and then all of a sudden, the phone rings. 978 01:03:14,698 --> 01:03:15,974 It's like the Batman phone 979 01:03:16,008 --> 01:03:18,146 and they pick it up and they go... 980 01:03:18,180 --> 01:03:20,663 [in soft voice] "He has now passed." 981 01:03:20,698 --> 01:03:22,698 [in normal voice] And I go, "That's it?" 982 01:03:22,732 --> 01:03:25,043 C'est la vie, it's over. 983 01:03:27,663 --> 01:03:29,836 [narrator] Gacy showed no remorse. 984 01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:32,249 and took to his grave clues to the identity 985 01:03:32,284 --> 01:03:35,663 of his last nameless victims and their possible connection 986 01:03:35,698 --> 01:03:38,353 to John Norman, Dean Corll 987 01:03:38,387 --> 01:03:40,456 and the national pedophile ring. 988 01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:44,353 When they executed him... 989 01:03:44,387 --> 01:03:45,836 I hate to see anybody executed, 990 01:03:45,870 --> 01:03:48,387 but I didn't shed a tear. 991 01:03:50,732 --> 01:03:51,974 No. 992 01:03:52,801 --> 01:03:54,905 Sad to say it like, 993 01:03:54,939 --> 01:03:57,111 but it's hard to have any feeling for somebody like that. 994 01:04:10,318 --> 01:04:13,629 [narrator] Today, thanks to DNA technology, 995 01:04:13,663 --> 01:04:16,353 Lieutenant Jason Moran of Cook County's Cold Case unit, 996 01:04:16,387 --> 01:04:18,491 is optimistic he may be able 997 01:04:18,525 --> 01:04:22,146 to give two more of Gacy's victims back their names. 998 01:04:22,180 --> 01:04:24,870 [Jason Moran] I've been assigned to identify these victims. 999 01:04:24,905 --> 01:04:28,077 When I accomplish the task I've been given, 1000 01:04:28,111 --> 01:04:29,836 it causes pain. 1001 01:04:30,594 --> 01:04:32,974 It's very hard to hear 1002 01:04:33,008 --> 01:04:35,077 that your loved one was 1003 01:04:35,111 --> 01:04:37,491 raped and murdered by an evil serial killer. 1004 01:04:37,525 --> 01:04:40,284 The thing that I've learned over the years 1005 01:04:40,318 --> 01:04:42,629 is that not knowing 1006 01:04:42,663 --> 01:04:46,353 is worse than knowing for the families. 1007 01:04:46,387 --> 01:04:48,594 Victim number 28, he was buried 1008 01:04:48,629 --> 01:04:50,491 in Gacy's backyard, 1009 01:04:50,525 --> 01:04:53,077 underneath a barbecue pit. 1010 01:04:53,698 --> 01:04:55,491 He was the last victim found 1011 01:04:56,525 --> 01:04:58,008 in March of 1979, 1012 01:04:58,043 --> 01:05:00,836 when they were destroying Gacy's house. 1013 01:05:03,180 --> 01:05:05,560 A... A family member recently called. 1014 01:05:05,594 --> 01:05:08,732 She had a missing half-brother. 1015 01:05:08,767 --> 01:05:11,249 Their in common mother was a bit of a rolling stone... 1016 01:05:12,594 --> 01:05:16,491 ...and had multiple husbands and boyfriends. 1017 01:05:16,525 --> 01:05:19,008 Also reported of him being homosexual. 1018 01:05:19,043 --> 01:05:21,215 The circumstances 1019 01:05:21,249 --> 01:05:22,767 surrounding his disappearance... 1020 01:05:22,801 --> 01:05:26,525 Last seen getting in a car with an unknown older male white, 1021 01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,905 fits quite perfectly 1022 01:05:28,939 --> 01:05:30,905 with what we know about how 1023 01:05:30,939 --> 01:05:33,077 Gacy acquired his victims. 1024 01:05:33,111 --> 01:05:36,422 So, I collected a DNA sample, 1025 01:05:36,456 --> 01:05:38,353 uh, submitted it to the lab. 1026 01:05:38,387 --> 01:05:40,836 [narrator] The tests don't confirm a match between the sister 1027 01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:42,905 and victim number 28, 1028 01:05:42,939 --> 01:05:46,318 but the results show it's a possibility. 1029 01:05:46,353 --> 01:05:49,801 [Moran] Victim number 28 cannot be excluded 1030 01:05:50,629 --> 01:05:54,905 as a biological relative of this woman. 1031 01:05:54,939 --> 01:05:57,215 So, what that means is I have to do additional work. 1032 01:05:58,008 --> 01:05:59,905 I have to find other relatives 1033 01:05:59,939 --> 01:06:02,491 and collect additional samples, 1034 01:06:02,525 --> 01:06:04,836 and the lab will look at him, and they'll start seeing 1035 01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:08,077 if there's more genetic associations 1036 01:06:08,111 --> 01:06:11,043 between relatives of this missing boy 1037 01:06:11,077 --> 01:06:12,974 and victim number 28. 1038 01:06:13,008 --> 01:06:14,939 [narrator] To identify earlier victims, 1039 01:06:14,974 --> 01:06:16,594 Lieutenant Moran took DNA 1040 01:06:16,629 --> 01:06:19,249 from family members of missing persons 1041 01:06:19,284 --> 01:06:21,905 and compared it with the DNA of the bodies. 1042 01:06:21,939 --> 01:06:23,732 If no family member 1043 01:06:23,767 --> 01:06:24,905 provided a sample, 1044 01:06:24,939 --> 01:06:27,629 the victim couldn't be identified. 1045 01:06:27,663 --> 01:06:29,663 A new method has come to light, 1046 01:06:29,698 --> 01:06:31,732 and that's forensic genealogy. 1047 01:06:31,767 --> 01:06:36,387 The forensic genealogy hopefully will lead me to a family, 1048 01:06:36,422 --> 01:06:40,594 as opposed to a family reaching out for me. 1049 01:06:40,629 --> 01:06:43,801 [narrator] Lieutenant Moran has turned to Dr. Colleen Fitzpatrick, 1050 01:06:43,836 --> 01:06:44,939 considered the founder 1051 01:06:44,974 --> 01:06:47,456 of modern forensic genealogy. 1052 01:06:47,491 --> 01:06:48,629 Forensic genealogy 1053 01:06:48,663 --> 01:06:50,284 in an informal sense, 1054 01:06:50,318 --> 01:06:53,249 you can say it's CSI meets Roots. 1055 01:06:53,284 --> 01:06:56,077 What they do, is they take your DNA 1056 01:06:56,111 --> 01:06:58,629 and they put it in a big supercomputer 1057 01:06:58,663 --> 01:07:03,905 and they compare it to everyone else's DNA in their database. 1058 01:07:03,939 --> 01:07:07,836 So that if me and another person share ten percent 1059 01:07:07,870 --> 01:07:10,284 of our DNA with each other, 1060 01:07:10,318 --> 01:07:13,318 we know we're in the range of first cousins. 1061 01:07:13,353 --> 01:07:16,111 [Moran] And that's when it starts to get interesting. 1062 01:07:16,146 --> 01:07:17,215 And we could say that 1063 01:07:18,077 --> 01:07:19,870 this victim 1064 01:07:19,905 --> 01:07:22,767 is related in some way to this individual 1065 01:07:22,801 --> 01:07:24,594 in the genealogy database. 1066 01:07:24,629 --> 01:07:26,387 How are they related? 1067 01:07:26,422 --> 01:07:28,387 Who are their in common relatives? 1068 01:07:28,422 --> 01:07:30,939 And out of any of those in common relatives, 1069 01:07:30,974 --> 01:07:32,249 are any of 'em missing? 1070 01:07:32,284 --> 01:07:36,008 And that's where the conventional detective work starts. 1071 01:07:36,043 --> 01:07:38,767 The phone calls, the in-person meetings. 1072 01:07:38,801 --> 01:07:40,870 Who was this relative? 1073 01:07:40,905 --> 01:07:44,456 [narrator] Dr. Fitzpatrick has solved cold cases across the country 1074 01:07:44,491 --> 01:07:47,284 by piecing together genetic fingerprints. 1075 01:07:47,318 --> 01:07:49,525 Some, faded with time. 1076 01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,111 [Fitzpatrick] We found right at the beginning, 1077 01:07:51,146 --> 01:07:53,836 we'd be working with highly degraded DNA 1078 01:07:53,870 --> 01:07:55,836 and very low level DNA, 1079 01:07:55,870 --> 01:07:58,353 so that has developed as our expertise 1080 01:07:58,387 --> 01:08:00,180 as we've gotten better and better at it, 1081 01:08:00,215 --> 01:08:03,111 and we made the first successful identification, 1082 01:08:03,146 --> 01:08:06,353 Buckskin Girl, in March of 2018, 1083 01:08:06,387 --> 01:08:08,629 and that was several weeks before the Golden State Killer 1084 01:08:08,663 --> 01:08:11,629 was identified using the same method. 1085 01:08:11,663 --> 01:08:14,077 [narrator] Gacy's last unidentified victims 1086 01:08:14,111 --> 01:08:16,215 could be the hardest yet. 1087 01:08:16,249 --> 01:08:20,008 [Moran] Gacy's victims were buried in a crawl space, 1088 01:08:20,043 --> 01:08:21,629 where they slowly degraded. 1089 01:08:21,663 --> 01:08:24,663 Gacy would put lime and acid 1090 01:08:24,698 --> 01:08:26,698 on the graves 1091 01:08:26,732 --> 01:08:30,836 to hasten decomposition and to counteract the odor. 1092 01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:33,077 These chemicals don't help. 1093 01:08:33,111 --> 01:08:35,939 Then, the remains are removed to the medical examiner's office 1094 01:08:35,974 --> 01:08:39,111 and then cleaned through a chemical process, 1095 01:08:39,146 --> 01:08:42,353 and then, they were buried in a grave 1096 01:08:42,387 --> 01:08:44,974 that has a lot of water, bacteria. 1097 01:08:45,008 --> 01:08:47,525 All these things are not helpful to the DNA re... 1098 01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:49,870 Required for forensic genealogy. 1099 01:08:49,905 --> 01:08:51,284 So, all we could do is try. 1100 01:08:52,284 --> 01:08:56,353 So, Doc, I was looking at victim number five has 1101 01:08:56,387 --> 01:08:59,560 the most usable DNA, 1102 01:08:59,594 --> 01:09:02,249 um, and I was wondering what you thought about 1103 01:09:02,284 --> 01:09:04,767 perhaps using 1104 01:09:04,801 --> 01:09:08,111 this victim as our first one 1105 01:09:08,146 --> 01:09:09,284 for the genealogy work. 1106 01:09:09,318 --> 01:09:10,836 You know, we know very little about 'em, 1107 01:09:10,870 --> 01:09:15,146 because his body was markedly decomposed, nearly skeletal. 1108 01:09:15,180 --> 01:09:17,422 He's estimated being in his 20s. 1109 01:09:17,456 --> 01:09:18,629 Like all the Gacy victims, 1110 01:09:18,663 --> 01:09:20,249 they identified Gacy victims. 1111 01:09:20,284 --> 01:09:22,215 Average height. 1112 01:09:22,249 --> 01:09:26,180 So, this individual potentially could be mixed race. 1113 01:09:26,215 --> 01:09:28,836 Between white or Caucasian. 1114 01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:30,491 An American Indian. 1115 01:09:30,525 --> 01:09:32,353 Okay, that's interesting. 1116 01:09:32,387 --> 01:09:33,629 Is he suspected 1117 01:09:33,663 --> 01:09:35,836 of being a local, local boy? 1118 01:09:35,870 --> 01:09:37,111 We don't know. 1119 01:09:37,146 --> 01:09:39,629 All we know is that the majority of Gacy's victims, 1120 01:09:39,663 --> 01:09:42,008 -they were local to the Chicago area. -Mmm-hmm. Right. 1121 01:09:42,043 --> 01:09:43,284 There was out-of-state victims 1122 01:09:43,318 --> 01:09:45,387 and this, uh... 1123 01:09:45,422 --> 01:09:47,732 -This victim really could have been from anywhere. -[smacks lips] 1124 01:09:47,767 --> 01:09:49,629 This is very promising. 1125 01:09:49,663 --> 01:09:52,422 I think that we really have a good shot at it. 1126 01:09:52,456 --> 01:09:53,767 The DNA looks good. 1127 01:09:53,801 --> 01:09:55,111 It may take a while. 1128 01:09:55,146 --> 01:09:59,111 This is not something necessarily you can do overnight. 1129 01:09:59,146 --> 01:10:03,215 There's right now about 30 million people in those databases. 1130 01:10:03,249 --> 01:10:07,767 Case number five, the one with the most DNA, has below a nanogram, 1131 01:10:07,801 --> 01:10:09,801 and let's hope there's not a whole lot of bacteria. 1132 01:10:13,284 --> 01:10:15,491 [narrator] A thousand miles away in Texas, 1133 01:10:15,525 --> 01:10:17,353 Dr. Fitzpatrick is also helping 1134 01:10:17,387 --> 01:10:19,456 to identify the victim known 1135 01:10:19,491 --> 01:10:21,043 as Swimsuit Boy. 1136 01:10:22,629 --> 01:10:24,077 [Fitzpatrick] You know, we'd really like to 1137 01:10:24,111 --> 01:10:26,249 be able to identify the last remaining victim 1138 01:10:26,284 --> 01:10:27,525 of Dean Corll. 1139 01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,318 That's been kind of a special case to me 1140 01:10:29,353 --> 01:10:30,491 for a long time. 1141 01:10:32,008 --> 01:10:34,318 The remains of the boy was sent to 1142 01:10:34,353 --> 01:10:37,008 the International Commission on Missing Persons, 1143 01:10:37,043 --> 01:10:39,836 who did the bone extraction in The Hague, 1144 01:10:39,870 --> 01:10:43,939 and we are now just getting the DNA into the lab. 1145 01:10:43,974 --> 01:10:46,801 [Sharon Derrick] I do believe that it's a race against the clock 1146 01:10:46,836 --> 01:10:48,594 to get this boy identified. 1147 01:10:48,629 --> 01:10:52,870 I'm really hoping that this new methodology 1148 01:10:52,905 --> 01:10:56,767 with the forensic genealogist will bear fruit. 1149 01:10:58,111 --> 01:10:59,974 [narrator] While she waits for science, 1150 01:11:00,008 --> 01:11:03,525 Dr. Derrick wonders if this one distinctive piece of clothing 1151 01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,560 found on his body will jog someone's memory. 1152 01:11:07,456 --> 01:11:08,698 [Derrick] He had with him 1153 01:11:08,732 --> 01:11:11,698 a T-shirt, that on the back of it, 1154 01:11:11,732 --> 01:11:13,801 it had this decal 1155 01:11:13,836 --> 01:11:15,801 that had a peace sign 1156 01:11:15,836 --> 01:11:18,801 over a United States flag, 1157 01:11:18,836 --> 01:11:20,836 and then down underneath that 1158 01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:24,491 in handwriting, somebody wrote with an indelible marker, 1159 01:11:24,525 --> 01:11:28,043 "L84MF." 1160 01:11:28,077 --> 01:11:29,836 Late for my funeral, 1161 01:11:29,870 --> 01:11:31,905 which is sort of a military slang, 1162 01:11:31,939 --> 01:11:34,249 and so we're wondering if maybe 1163 01:11:34,284 --> 01:11:37,663 he had a family member, a father, an uncle, 1164 01:11:37,698 --> 01:11:40,387 an older brother who may have been serving 1165 01:11:40,422 --> 01:11:42,767 or had served in the Vietnam War. 1166 01:11:42,801 --> 01:11:45,905 [narrator] She visits Corll's two accomplices in prison. 1167 01:11:45,939 --> 01:11:48,215 David Brooks and Elmer Wayne Henley 1168 01:11:48,249 --> 01:11:50,180 helped Corll abduct, murder 1169 01:11:50,215 --> 01:11:52,594 and bury his 29 victims. 1170 01:11:52,629 --> 01:11:55,836 According to Brooks and Henley, Dean Corll 1171 01:11:55,870 --> 01:11:58,387 did kill other people, 1172 01:11:58,422 --> 01:12:01,560 Uh, and that he was secretive about that, 1173 01:12:01,594 --> 01:12:03,146 and that there were many times... 1174 01:12:03,180 --> 01:12:04,284 Especially Henley 1175 01:12:04,318 --> 01:12:05,422 recalled this. 1176 01:12:05,456 --> 01:12:07,146 There were many times that he went out 1177 01:12:07,180 --> 01:12:10,284 by himself... Both Henley 1178 01:12:10,318 --> 01:12:13,663 and Brooks told me they felt that 1179 01:12:13,698 --> 01:12:17,284 Dean was running some kind of pornographic ring. 1180 01:12:17,318 --> 01:12:21,387 At least Dean told them he was 1181 01:12:21,422 --> 01:12:24,456 and he said that some of these boys 1182 01:12:24,491 --> 01:12:26,008 thought they were gonna go out to Hollywood 1183 01:12:26,043 --> 01:12:28,560 and be stars, that he had agents for them 1184 01:12:28,594 --> 01:12:30,077 out in California. 1185 01:12:31,008 --> 01:12:33,456 [narrator] Is that what these photos are? 1186 01:12:33,491 --> 01:12:35,801 Photos sent to her anonymously 1187 01:12:35,836 --> 01:12:38,594 by someone claiming this boy named Bobby French 1188 01:12:38,629 --> 01:12:40,387 was Corll's last victim. 1189 01:12:44,629 --> 01:12:46,491 It is hard to look at those pictures, 1190 01:12:46,525 --> 01:12:48,387 thinking he may have been tortured 1191 01:12:48,422 --> 01:12:49,974 and killed right afterwards. 1192 01:12:50,008 --> 01:12:52,594 It's very hard. He looks like a nice boy. 1193 01:12:52,629 --> 01:12:54,284 However, it's also hard, 1194 01:12:54,318 --> 01:12:57,387 because the pictures are somewhat suggestive, 1195 01:12:57,422 --> 01:13:00,525 and I don't know if he was being used for something. 1196 01:13:03,215 --> 01:13:05,353 [narrator] Poses, typical of the boys 1197 01:13:05,387 --> 01:13:06,836 found in the pedophile catalogs 1198 01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:11,629 of John David Norman in Texas in 1973. 1199 01:13:11,663 --> 01:13:14,353 [Derrick] John Norman had a business 1200 01:13:14,387 --> 01:13:18,008 and he had his catalogs and he had photos 1201 01:13:18,043 --> 01:13:23,180 and he was sort of like a modeling agency in a way. 1202 01:13:23,215 --> 01:13:27,905 So, I would not be surprised if the photos of Bobby French 1203 01:13:27,939 --> 01:13:32,629 might not have been sort of, uh, head-shots in a way, 1204 01:13:32,663 --> 01:13:35,491 and if John Norman had connections with Corll, 1205 01:13:35,525 --> 01:13:37,284 I wouldn't be surprised. 1206 01:13:38,836 --> 01:13:41,905 [narrator] Is Bobby French Swimsuit boy? 1207 01:13:41,939 --> 01:13:45,698 And was he one of Norman's roster of boys? 1208 01:13:45,732 --> 01:13:49,353 The answers may lie back in Dallas in 1973. 1209 01:13:54,836 --> 01:13:57,387 At the time of the raid on Norman's apartment, 1210 01:13:57,422 --> 01:13:59,663 Dean Corll's victims were being unearthed 1211 01:13:59,698 --> 01:14:03,111 240 miles south in Houston. 1212 01:14:03,146 --> 01:14:05,594 According to former detective, R.C. Nelson, 1213 01:14:05,629 --> 01:14:07,111 who arrested Norman, 1214 01:14:07,146 --> 01:14:09,043 he found Norman's client list 1215 01:14:09,077 --> 01:14:11,905 and hundreds of photos of boys in his apartment. 1216 01:14:13,939 --> 01:14:15,974 [R.C. Nelson] Some real prominent people, 1217 01:14:16,698 --> 01:14:19,629 phone numbers, addresses, 1218 01:14:19,663 --> 01:14:22,870 what kind of kid they like. 1219 01:14:22,905 --> 01:14:27,663 Had to be hundreds... of people 1220 01:14:27,698 --> 01:14:29,111 all over the country. 1221 01:14:30,284 --> 01:14:33,077 [narrator] They came from all walks of life. 1222 01:14:33,111 --> 01:14:35,560 Somewhere federal employees in Washington 1223 01:14:35,594 --> 01:14:38,353 and some were from the music world. 1224 01:14:38,387 --> 01:14:41,353 [Nelson] The head of a... A big orchestra 1225 01:14:41,387 --> 01:14:44,249 was his name printed on a card, 1226 01:14:44,939 --> 01:14:46,249 that my mother loved. 1227 01:14:48,111 --> 01:14:49,698 His cards said he liked... 1228 01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:53,905 ...the youngest that he could get. 1229 01:14:53,939 --> 01:14:59,111 Blonde-haired and fair-skinned kid. 1230 01:14:59,146 --> 01:15:03,594 Uh, I'm not sure whatever wound up with the cards. 1231 01:15:03,629 --> 01:15:05,870 It'd be nice to have 'em now, 1232 01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:17,318 [narrator] After the police confiscated Norman's files and cards in Dallas in 1973, 1233 01:15:17,353 --> 01:15:20,353 they were all sent to the State Department. 1234 01:15:20,387 --> 01:15:21,353 They were destroyed. 1235 01:15:21,387 --> 01:15:24,111 Now why they would destroy those cards? 1236 01:15:24,146 --> 01:15:27,146 Who knows if there were politicians involved? 1237 01:15:27,180 --> 01:15:29,974 Who knows what names were in these cards? 1238 01:15:30,008 --> 01:15:32,939 But the preponderance of the cards were found 1239 01:15:32,974 --> 01:15:35,284 in other states. 1240 01:15:35,318 --> 01:15:38,318 [narrator] Everywhere Norman set up shop around the country, 1241 01:15:38,353 --> 01:15:40,629 his index cards were there. 1242 01:15:40,663 --> 01:15:42,353 Every time he was arrested, 1243 01:15:42,387 --> 01:15:44,146 they were confiscated. 1244 01:15:44,180 --> 01:15:46,146 Every time they were confiscated, 1245 01:15:46,180 --> 01:15:47,870 they disappeared, 1246 01:15:47,905 --> 01:15:50,939 just like in the Homewood, Illinois, raid in '73. 1247 01:15:51,836 --> 01:15:53,146 [Frank Flannery] Gone. 1248 01:15:54,215 --> 01:15:55,594 I wish I could help you. 1249 01:15:56,318 --> 01:15:57,180 I don't know. 1250 01:15:59,180 --> 01:16:02,732 These people with power, especially political power, 1251 01:16:02,767 --> 01:16:04,870 they can get a lot of things erased. 1252 01:16:04,905 --> 01:16:06,836 They can get a lot of stuff deep-sixed. 1253 01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:08,422 So, you say, "Were they deep sixed?" 1254 01:16:08,456 --> 01:16:10,491 Maybe. Maybe they were. 1255 01:16:12,249 --> 01:16:15,801 [narrator] According to Norman, there was no maybe about it. 1256 01:16:15,836 --> 01:16:17,905 The records were destroyed. 1257 01:16:17,939 --> 01:16:19,767 He told Randy White, 1258 01:16:19,801 --> 01:16:22,249 if his client list was ever made public, 1259 01:16:22,284 --> 01:16:24,353 it would set off shockwaves. 1260 01:16:24,387 --> 01:16:26,663 "What scared the hell out of everyone, 1261 01:16:26,698 --> 01:16:29,525 I think, was my mailing list. 1262 01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:33,594 It included the names of a number of noted judges, 1263 01:16:33,629 --> 01:16:36,043 legislators and other officials." 1264 01:16:37,008 --> 01:16:38,387 [Nelson] There's no doubt in my mind 1265 01:16:38,422 --> 01:16:41,387 there weren't people in there that would want 'em destroyed. 1266 01:16:41,422 --> 01:16:46,146 What happened to the cards is certainly fishy. 1267 01:16:46,180 --> 01:16:47,629 [narrator] Despite the Boy Scout convictions 1268 01:16:47,663 --> 01:16:50,491 in Louisiana in 1977, 1269 01:16:50,525 --> 01:16:52,387 federal authorities turned a blind eye 1270 01:16:52,422 --> 01:16:55,732 to what detectives Stansbury and Wicks uncovered. 1271 01:16:55,767 --> 01:17:01,456 Mountains of evidence showing the extent of the national pedophile ring. 1272 01:17:01,491 --> 01:17:05,422 [Gus Stansbury] We had requested the F.B.I.'s assistance 1273 01:17:05,456 --> 01:17:06,387 since it involved 1274 01:17:06,939 --> 01:17:09,146 multiple jurisdictions, 1275 01:17:09,180 --> 01:17:11,870 and we had one agent show up 1276 01:17:11,905 --> 01:17:12,767 and he spent about 1277 01:17:12,801 --> 01:17:14,836 four or five hours with us, 1278 01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:16,560 taking notes, and he was, like, 1279 01:17:17,284 --> 01:17:18,249 "Wow!" 1280 01:17:18,732 --> 01:17:20,180 And he said, 1281 01:17:20,215 --> 01:17:22,249 -"I'll be back in an hour" -[Frank Wicks] And we're still waiting. 1282 01:17:22,284 --> 01:17:25,284 That's 40 years ago. 1283 01:17:25,318 --> 01:17:26,905 [interviewer] Do you think they could be sitting 1284 01:17:26,939 --> 01:17:28,456 -somewhere in a box... -[Sneed] No. 1285 01:17:28,491 --> 01:17:31,629 -...at the base of the State Department? -They're gone. They're gone. 1286 01:17:31,663 --> 01:17:35,629 If these cards contain names, they're gone. 1287 01:17:35,663 --> 01:17:37,560 [narrator] Not all of them. 1288 01:17:37,594 --> 01:17:39,387 Our production unearthed footage from 1289 01:17:39,422 --> 01:17:42,663 a TV news archive from 1973. 1290 01:17:42,698 --> 01:17:46,939 It shows Norman's cards with his list of clients from the Dallas raid. 1291 01:17:47,974 --> 01:17:49,974 We tracked down some of the names. 1292 01:17:50,008 --> 01:17:53,146 Most were from Texas, one was in Hawaii 1293 01:17:53,180 --> 01:17:55,801 and one was a minister in California, 1294 01:17:55,836 --> 01:17:58,732 the founder of a church in Palm Springs. 1295 01:17:58,767 --> 01:18:01,456 Many of the men on those cards are dead. 1296 01:18:01,491 --> 01:18:03,629 None were ever charged 1297 01:18:03,663 --> 01:18:05,801 so we can't say their names. 1298 01:18:05,836 --> 01:18:10,525 As for the victims, like Jerome Elam, he knew the game all too well, 1299 01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,491 You know you're given a fake identity, a fake name to use. 1300 01:18:13,525 --> 01:18:15,043 it can't be traced back to you really are. 1301 01:18:15,077 --> 01:18:19,077 And so Colin was one of the names that I was given, among others. 1302 01:18:19,111 --> 01:18:25,077 It was all meant to disguise who I truly was and keep me below law enforcement's radar. 1303 01:18:25,111 --> 01:18:29,318 [narrator] After seven years of fake names going from one truck stop to another, 1304 01:18:29,353 --> 01:18:32,870 Jerome Elam saw only one way out. 1305 01:18:32,905 --> 01:18:39,249 By the age of 12, I was hopeless and it felt like, um, my life had no value. 1306 01:18:39,284 --> 01:18:42,905 I went to my mother's medicine cabinet, got a bottle of sleeping pills, 1307 01:18:45,180 --> 01:18:47,043 and went to the liquor cabinet, got a bottle of vodka. 1308 01:18:48,836 --> 01:18:51,387 I went to my mother's rose garden, 1309 01:18:51,422 --> 01:18:52,974 which she loved her roses 1310 01:18:53,008 --> 01:18:55,180 more than she loved me, obviously. 1311 01:18:55,215 --> 01:18:57,939 I took the sleeping pills and drank the vodka and laid down. 1312 01:18:57,974 --> 01:18:59,801 and fell off to sleep. 1313 01:18:59,836 --> 01:19:03,215 At that point, you know, I heard a voice speak to me, 1314 01:19:03,249 --> 01:19:06,387 saying that, "Your time on this earth isn't done yet. 1315 01:19:06,422 --> 01:19:09,629 "I want to go back and work to save other children," 1316 01:19:09,663 --> 01:19:11,353 and I woke up in the emergency room. 1317 01:19:11,387 --> 01:19:13,422 I had been gone for three minutes. 1318 01:19:13,456 --> 01:19:18,180 From that point on, I escaped the life of being sexually exploited. 1319 01:19:19,594 --> 01:19:23,456 [narrator] He rebuilt his life, finished high school, 1320 01:19:23,491 --> 01:19:27,698 joined the Marines, even married, had children of his own. 1321 01:19:27,732 --> 01:19:30,905 He is now an advocate for the victims of child trafficking. 1322 01:19:30,939 --> 01:19:33,043 [Elam] One of the things I tell victims, survivors, 1323 01:19:33,077 --> 01:19:37,905 is that we have to look at our lives like it is a blank page. 1324 01:19:37,939 --> 01:19:40,767 I don't care what happened to you yesterday or ten years ago. 1325 01:19:40,801 --> 01:19:43,180 You have a chance every day to reinvent yourself. 1326 01:19:43,215 --> 01:19:44,767 There's always hope in your heart. 1327 01:19:44,801 --> 01:19:49,180 It may be a pilot light, but I learned to ignite that flame 1328 01:19:49,215 --> 01:19:51,836 and let it drive me to making a difference 1329 01:19:51,870 --> 01:19:53,939 in other children's life in this world. 1330 01:19:55,249 --> 01:19:58,732 [narrator] Dean Corll, killed by one of his accomplices. 1331 01:19:58,767 --> 01:20:02,249 John Wayne Gacy, executed. 1332 01:20:02,284 --> 01:20:06,043 The Boy Scout pedophiles, died in prison or escaped 1333 01:20:06,077 --> 01:20:07,905 and never paid for their crimes. 1334 01:20:09,456 --> 01:20:12,870 As for the kingpin pedophile, John Norman, 1335 01:20:12,905 --> 01:20:15,008 he hopped from one state to the next 1336 01:20:15,043 --> 01:20:16,594 and was in and out of prison. 1337 01:20:18,801 --> 01:20:22,215 In 1987, he was arrested in Urbana, Illinois, 1338 01:20:22,249 --> 01:20:24,215 for stealing his roommate's computer. 1339 01:20:25,939 --> 01:20:27,629 John Norman's mailing list was about to go digital. 1340 01:20:34,801 --> 01:20:36,525 Chicago reporter Michael Sneed 1341 01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:40,111 kept tabs on John Norman's movements over the years. 1342 01:20:40,146 --> 01:20:43,870 In 2009, she caught up with him in prison in California. 1343 01:20:44,905 --> 01:20:46,767 [Michael Sneed] He was about to get out, 1344 01:20:46,801 --> 01:20:49,077 but he had been deemed so dangerous 1345 01:20:49,111 --> 01:20:53,560 he was going to go on trial because there were laws in California 1346 01:20:53,594 --> 01:20:55,629 where they could keep somebody in prison 1347 01:20:55,663 --> 01:20:57,732 if they thought they'd be a danger to society. 1348 01:20:58,836 --> 01:21:02,939 These are actual notes I made longhand 1349 01:21:03,870 --> 01:21:05,249 while I was in trial. 1350 01:21:05,284 --> 01:21:11,491 "And here was this guy that I had interviewed in 1977, 1351 01:21:11,525 --> 01:21:17,525 "and now he is a man with white hair wearing white sacks, 1352 01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,767 "large glasses, big bushy eyebrows." 1353 01:21:20,801 --> 01:21:23,491 and I said that he looked like an Irish priest. 1354 01:21:23,525 --> 01:21:26,318 Here's the picture of him. 1355 01:21:26,353 --> 01:21:29,249 I remember he had a mole on his face 1356 01:21:29,284 --> 01:21:31,836 and he had this curly hair and it was white. 1357 01:21:31,870 --> 01:21:36,387 He said, "I'd like to think that I've done no harm in my life," 1358 01:21:36,422 --> 01:21:41,318 because, uh, whatever se he had done was with a consenting relationship. 1359 01:21:41,353 --> 01:21:45,663 Well, to these pedophiles, consenting means that child says, "OK," 1360 01:21:45,698 --> 01:21:47,422 or a child will go along with it. 1361 01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,456 [narrator] John Norman died in 2011 1362 01:21:51,491 --> 01:21:54,077 in a mental hospital in California. 1363 01:21:54,111 --> 01:21:56,629 Whatever secrets he had died with him, 1364 01:21:56,663 --> 01:22:00,043 the apex predator of the 1970s, 1365 01:22:00,077 --> 01:22:03,732 his pedophile ring stretched from coast to coast, 1366 01:22:03,767 --> 01:22:07,560 a man who turned his obsession with young boys into a business 1367 01:22:07,594 --> 01:22:09,698 who shipped children to anyone, 1368 01:22:09,732 --> 01:22:13,043 judges and politicians, for a price. 1369 01:22:13,077 --> 01:22:16,525 No one on his client list ever paid for his crimes. 1370 01:22:17,387 --> 01:22:20,387 But Norman wasn't the last. 1371 01:22:20,422 --> 01:22:22,732 [Elam] With the advent of the Internet, the dark Web, um, 1372 01:22:22,767 --> 01:22:25,732 they've been more prolific and able to have a bigger outreach. 1373 01:22:25,767 --> 01:22:30,008 Things happen much faster that did in the 1970s with John Norman. 1374 01:22:30,043 --> 01:22:32,043 [Sneed] I think the distribution pipeline has changed, 1375 01:22:32,077 --> 01:22:33,732 but I think things are worse. 1376 01:22:33,767 --> 01:22:35,318 I think people are more aware, 1377 01:22:35,353 --> 01:22:40,180 but technology has become this tunnel of perversion. 1378 01:22:40,215 --> 01:22:42,180 [Lt. Jason Moran] A lot of people want to know, 1379 01:22:42,215 --> 01:22:48,249 "Are these monsters out there today?" and really operate in a way 1380 01:22:48,284 --> 01:22:51,491 where it's not obvious that they're your neighbor, 1381 01:22:51,525 --> 01:22:55,215 perhaps a coworker, and you're a fool 1382 01:22:55,249 --> 01:22:59,422 just like the people who knew John Gacy were fooled. 1383 01:22:59,456 --> 01:23:02,077 [Sheriff Tom Dart] The Internet world has taken all of these 1384 01:23:02,111 --> 01:23:03,939 different horrible issues we have 1385 01:23:03,974 --> 01:23:05,905 and literally put them on steroids. 1386 01:23:05,939 --> 01:23:08,146 In as far as instant access, 1387 01:23:08,180 --> 01:23:10,801 oh, my God, it's never been so easy. 1388 01:23:10,836 --> 01:23:14,491 [Elam] The network right now, these individuals 1389 01:23:14,525 --> 01:23:18,146 typically live in chat rooms on the dark web. 1390 01:23:18,180 --> 01:23:21,215 The price of admission to these chat rooms 1391 01:23:21,249 --> 01:23:23,905 is to send a video of yourself molesting a child. 1392 01:23:23,939 --> 01:23:27,284 It's the dot com of pedophiles and depravity. 1393 01:23:27,318 --> 01:23:29,077 You can find just about anything you want. 1394 01:23:29,111 --> 01:23:31,974 I mean, pedophile networks all over the world, you could connect with them. 1395 01:23:33,801 --> 01:23:36,767 [Dr. Willa Wertheimer] The perpetrators aren't hunted down. 1396 01:23:36,801 --> 01:23:38,767 If you look at the Epstein case, 1397 01:23:38,801 --> 01:23:43,043 how many of his accomplices, his procurers, 1398 01:23:44,077 --> 01:23:46,146 how many of them have been tracked down? 1399 01:23:46,180 --> 01:23:48,043 You know, I double dog dare them 1400 01:23:48,077 --> 01:23:50,146 to go after Epstein's accomplices, 1401 01:23:52,146 --> 01:23:54,663 [Elam] The ones who have the wealth and the power 1402 01:23:54,698 --> 01:23:56,974 are the ones that continue to do this 1403 01:23:57,008 --> 01:24:00,008 and just have not been yet brought to justice. 1404 01:24:01,318 --> 01:24:04,525 [narrator] Norman and his nationwide sex trafficking ring 1405 01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:08,353 victimized hundreds of boys across America in the 70s. 1406 01:24:08,387 --> 01:24:11,456 And between them, Dean Corll and John Wayne Gacy 1407 01:24:11,491 --> 01:24:14,905 murdered more than 60 young males that we know of. 1408 01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,456 [Moran] I'd like to believe that a Gacy case 1409 01:24:19,491 --> 01:24:23,663 couldn't happen again, but I'm constantly reminded 1410 01:24:23,698 --> 01:24:24,974 that it's possible. 1411 01:24:26,318 --> 01:24:28,111 [Dr. Wertheimer] There are more Andys. 1412 01:24:28,146 --> 01:24:30,629 There's more Andys that haven't even been born. 1413 01:24:32,043 --> 01:24:35,560 [narrator] In September of 2020, promising news. 1414 01:24:35,594 --> 01:24:37,801 DNA from Gacy's victim number five 1415 01:24:37,836 --> 01:24:41,215 produced a family name in the genealogical database, 1416 01:24:41,249 --> 01:24:45,215 a lead to a family line from another state, not Illinois. 1417 01:24:45,249 --> 01:24:47,767 Lieutenant Moran's detective work begins. 1418 01:24:47,801 --> 01:24:49,491 He's now tracking down the family 1419 01:24:49,525 --> 01:24:53,111 to see if they have been searching for a missing relative. 1420 01:24:53,146 --> 01:24:56,801 Victim number 28 remains unidentified. 1421 01:24:56,836 --> 01:24:59,939 And for now, Dean Corll's last victim. 1422 01:24:59,974 --> 01:25:02,698 Swimsuit Boy, is also without a name.