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I know that you're having
a great deal of difficulty...
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...being able to differentiate
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between what's real
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and what's in your head.
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With our Disney Plus series,
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we wanted to see more of the characters
we'd introduced on the big screen,
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but there were also characters
who we wanted to
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introduce whole cloth for the first time
on Disney Plus.
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Moon Knight was at the top of that list.
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Moon Knight is a spectacular character,
he's got an incredibly unique visual look.
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He's a much more action-oriented character
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in a way we haven't seen in a while
in the MCU.
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Any time we think about
adapting a comic book character,
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we always think about
what it is at its core,
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what it is on an essential level.
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And you can't really make
a Moon Knight show
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without embracing that darkness,
without embracing that chaos.
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In the Marvel universe,
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Moon Knight first made his appearance
in 1975 in Werewolf By Night,
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and he was very much an antagonist.
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By the time 1980 rolled around,
there was such a desire from the fans
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to see more of him, he got his own comic.
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Historically, Marc Spector is Moon Knight.
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He washed out of the Marines
and became a mercenary
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and then he became the avatar
of the Egyptian God Khonshu.
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If you look at his origin story
in the comics,
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it's very Egyptology-centric
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and that's what makes this
different and unique.
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Kevin brought that up
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really early on
in the development process.
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He said, "If we can bring that
into our show,
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"wrapped in a little bit of
an Indiana Jones-esque adventure,
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"that's a show
that will sustain six hours."
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-I just go at it fully?
-Yeah, go in the camera.
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Like, it goes...
It's gotta give me the effect of...
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-Okay.
-He's getting the vibes.
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Mohamed Diab
is an Egyptian filmmaker.
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So collaborative, so confident,
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who came in and really had a point of view
with the story.
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I wanna show you the last thing.
This is my daughter's art.
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And look at this. It's Moon Knight.
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Aw, yay! Oh, right on.
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I read the first two episodes
and the summary of the rest of the show.
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We just, like, delved into it,
me and Sarah.
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Sarah is my wife
and a producer on the show.
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And we had this 200-page pitch.
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He came up with a pitch
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that really centered on
the Egyptology of it all,
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and that was something Kevin was
focusing on from day one,
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is the Egyptology, the adventure of it.
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It was in
that original pitch meeting
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where we all knew that he was gonna be
the best shepherd for Moon Knight,
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and you can see it.
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You can see it as you
watch the show...
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There's so much visual foreshadowing.
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There's just so much detail
in his thinking
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that it really sent a current, I think,
out throughout
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the cast and the crew and everyone
who touched the show to think in that way.
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As much as you can,
when you're doing this...
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I wasn't aware of Moon Knight before that.
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Sometimes that works
as an advantage or a disadvantage.
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For my case,
I feel it worked as an advantage.
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I wasn't attached to anything except
to make a good story.
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One thing we realized
very early on is when you have
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six hours of narrative,
when you have four or five countries,
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it was gonna take a bit more
of a team effort.
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AARON MOORHEAD:
Let's do it again, but drop it...
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Having Benson and Moorhead
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along with Mohamed Diab
as our head director really paid off.
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- Hey, guys. I'm sorry.
- Your XLR kit fell off.
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- Sorry. Missed you guys.
- Missed you, too.
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Yeah.
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Our first introduction
to you was your movie Clash.
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And Aaron and I watched that movie
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and we both took a long pause
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and said, "I guess
we're not filmmakers..."
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- "...if he's a filmmaker."
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I loved your films.
I know it's like a ping-pong right now,
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I have to say the same thing.
But I loved The Endless
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and I loved it before I met you,
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and I thought,
"Wow, those guys have something."
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So, when we got the chance to work
together, that was a big thing for me.
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When we were kicking this off
in the writer's room,
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one thing that became evident
really quickly was
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Moon Knight does not have any current
connections to the MCU.
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And narratively, it became really freeing
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and allowed us to really play
with a character
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that didn't have to abide by
any pre-ordained narrative rules.
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The thing that's always been incredible
to me as a fan of Moon Knight,
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is that every creator kind of comes in
and puts their own spin on the material.
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We were able to kind of cherry pick all of
our favorite things from the various runs.
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But it's also a daunting task because
how do you distill 40 years of weirdness,
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into a six-hour show
and have it still make sense?
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Having this huge history of
40 years of comic books,
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you have so much to dig from.
And the best thing about Marvel,
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they allow us to get maybe
the origin of a character
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- and play with it the way you want.
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For us, it was about the story.
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Like, no one ever told us,
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"Okay, there's something in the comic book
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"that we need to put
because it's in the comic book."
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We would go through every
Moon Knight comic that ever existed
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and just trying to find particularly
iconic imagery that we connected with.
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Usually, it was the more mind-bending
stuff like
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the image of pulling the white off
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and seeing the flesh underneath
on a white back... Those types of images.
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When Moon Knight
was first written,
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Marc Spector was basically just a guy
who had different identities.
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Marc Spector was a mercenary, Steven Grant
was kind of the millionaire about town
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and then there was Jake Lockley,
the cab driver.
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And depending on what information
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Marc Spector needed at that time
as Moon Knight,
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he went in different identities.
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Over the years, the different identities
morphed into different personalities
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and those different personalities
morphed into what we know now
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as dissociative identity disorder.
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I feel like comic creators started
taking really interesting risks
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with the character of Moon Knight,
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and that's where you started to see
things like his struggles with DID
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And his mental health
really kind of came to the forefront.
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And it took this character who was really
introduced as just sort of,
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"Hey, he's a guy, he dresses up in white,
fights werewolves.
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"What else do you need to know?"
It really gave him some complexity
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and really made him a character
that was fascinating.
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Moon Knight is a character that
for years in the comics
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has struggled with mental illness.
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The opportunity to tap into somebody
that faces those challenges
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in a respectful way
was very important to us.
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Because of all of those different
elements, you need a spectacular actor.
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All right, guten tag.
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We'd talked to Oscar
a number of times.
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We knew he was interested in our world,
we'd never found the right fit.
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And we weren't sure
he would be interested in Moon Knight,
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we weren't sure he'd be interested
in doing a show on Disney Plus.
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But he was completely into it
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and he's been such a creative collaborator
and creative partner.
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When I was approached by Kevin Feige
with Moon Knight,
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I had never heard of it.
I collected comics
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when I was younger, you know,
X-Men and, uh,
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X-Force and a few others.
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And so, the first thing
was to kinda do a deep dive
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on the character and its history.
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Going back through the comics,
it's shifted and changed so much.
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It's so rich. It's pretty vast.
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And so our job was to kinda
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put a lens on the things
that we found the most interesting,
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or that, like,
had the most dramatic juice.
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And ultimately, taking the mental health
aspect about it incredibly seriously
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and really committing to
what I really wanted to do,
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which is a character study,
a point-of-view experience.
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DID is dissociative
identity disorder,
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which is previously called
multiple personality disorder.
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At the end,
it's a fictionalized depiction of DID,
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but I think we tried our best in the show
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to try and understand it
and delve deeper into it.
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The first thing I did
once I did finally sign on
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was to delve into DID
and what it's like.
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And there's an incredible book
by Robert Oxnam
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called A Fractured Mind.
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And that ended up
being like my bible to me,
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you know, because this is someone
who didn't realize he had DID
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until he was in his forties.
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He just thought that he was alcoholic
and he had some trouble in his life,
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and, you know, lo and behold, suddenly,
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he finds out he's got eight different
people living inside of him.
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They're eight different alters.
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And so, that was astounding.
And the fact that, um,
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that in itself is a kind of superpower,
you know.
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How incredible human beings are,
that in order to survive
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horrible, horrible trauma
at a very young age.
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It's a survival mechanism
that kicks into place
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where the brain creates other people
within his psyche
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to be able to shoulder that trauma.
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Everyone who will watch this show
and everyone who worked on this show
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will have some sort of relationship
with mental health.
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And it was on everyone's mind
the whole time on the show
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to make sure that we tell
a story that's thoughtful.
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It doesn't have to be about something
as specific. It can actually be,
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teach you about just something
we've all experienced,
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which is trying to care for and be with
somebody that's struggling.
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Let's go. Thank you...
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Our head writer Jeremy Slater,
one thing he was very passionate about
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is really making episodes 101 and 102
Steven's episodes.
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I always knew that
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starting the show with Marc
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Because in our show,
Marc is a very closed-off character.
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We would be fighting an uphill battle
for the entirety of the series.
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I really looked at Steven Grant and said,
"That's a story I know how to tell."
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Once you're onboard with
who Steven Grant is as a character,
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you're in for the entire run.
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I have to give it to Marvel
and Jeremy Slater.
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I think one of the most brilliant things
in the show was the idea of
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seeing the world through Steven's eyes.
I loved that.
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Starting with a mystery altogether, like,
episode one is a big question mark,
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which is, "What's going on?"
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- Right?
- Yeah.
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And sometimes, there's a temptation
to get through it
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so you can see
Moon Knight beat somebody up.
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We don't see that
until the end of episode two.
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It takes almost the entire length of
a feature film until you see
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- the titular Moon Knight doing anything.
- Absolutely.
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And that was really exciting,
when we actually had to play with mystery.
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I got sent some early drafts
of a couple of the episodes
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and I saw that the story had been
transplanted from New York to London,
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but the characters were
still written as American.
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But that got me thinking,
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"Was there space to create
a character that would be a good foil
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"for what you expect
from like a mercenary, tough hero?"
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"Mercenary?" No, no. I'm not a mercenary.
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My name's Steven Grant.
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I thought, "Well, since it's being set
in London, what if Steven's English?"
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And then I started coming up with
this character around the house
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and doing it for my kids.
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And my oldest son just really started
falling in love with Steven.
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And he would laugh.
So that made me feel like,
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"All right, maybe there's something here.
I'm onto something."
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I don't know what this
has to do with Egypt.
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They didn't have that
back then, did they? No.
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They liked figs and dates.
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We're standing
in Steven's apartment.
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We decided to do an attic,
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because it's recalling
a shape of a pyramid.
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Two, one. Camera. Action!
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We did his bed under a platform
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as if he's in a sarcophagus as well.
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As if he's, you know,
a little bit tombed in.
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When we first started shooting,
the first two months was all Steven.
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This process was one of completely
falling in love,
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particularly with Steven.
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Can you take this downstairs, please?
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Will you, please, give me a second,
Donna, with your beetles?
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I can't remember the last time that
I just loved being in this character.
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So, getting to set, I just wanted to stay
in the accent and stay in character.
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So, we get to change in an hour?
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-Yeah, yeah, it's in your...
- Yeah. All right.
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-Same jacket.
- Great.
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I wouldn't describe myself
as method at all.
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I just didn't want to be shy about it
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and I didn't want to be
second-guessing it.
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And so, for me
it was more about just, like,
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stay in it so that I can just trust
that it's always there
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and I can put my energy onto other things,
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like playing the scene
and doing the things
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and figuring out the blocking
and all that.
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Oh, my God.
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For me, the tone of the
show is born entirely out of character.
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We're learning about the mythology
of Moon Knight and the stakes of the story
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through a character
who is as new to it as we are.
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Oh, man! This is mental.
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The show is a globe-trotting
adventure with a supernatural bent.
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There's also
sprinkles of horror in there.
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I think the fun thing about Moon Knight
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and I think it's the fun thing
that really echoes throughout the MCU,
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ultimately, when you do
peel back those layers,
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you realize that it is a character story.
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And I do think that is one of the things
that Oscar Isaac gravitated towards.
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I'm losing it, man.
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I've already lost it.
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I just...
I can't tell the difference between my...
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My waking life and my dreams, I guess.
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Really, the key was Steven,
because Steven is sincere and also funny,
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but also 100% sincerely terrified
about what's happening,
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that that allows for
a multitude of different reactions
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that all still live in the same world.
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...to blast you out of my head!
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-Yep.
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So, while he can be laughing,
or making kind of a joke,
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or terrified, you know, of something
really horrible and monstrous,
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at the same time,
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you can really be dealing with
actual realistic childhood trauma.
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And then at the same time,
a talking hippo is with you.
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Because it's already been set up
as this psychological point of view,
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I think you're able to go with it.
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- Hold the door! Thank you.
- Whoa!
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OLIVIER SCHNEIDER:
Fight-wise or stunt-wise,
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Steven Grant is just a regular guy.
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That's the most complicated things to do,
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when you have to choreograph a fight
with someone story-wise
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who doesn't know how to fight.
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I love that because, I think even if you
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didn't practice any martial arts,
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or you've never been
involved in a fight for real,
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you still can have
that instinct to survive.
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You still have that instinct
to protect yourself.
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Six!
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I prefer cricket.
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Another idea of Oscar was
to bring a touch of humor.
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He could be a little bit goofy sometime,
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but sometimes, a fight of being goofy
could save his life.
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Jackal. Jackal!
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I think Moon Knight costume,
the two characters that we have
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are not like anything you saw
in the Marvel universe.
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This is something coming from
the imagination of a person
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inspired by an old God.
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Mr. Knight is what Steven
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imagines is cool.
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James Bond, something like that, right?
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A dapper gentleman that's
a trickster and strong and funny.
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Oy, Steven, what the hell are we wearing?
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I don't know. She said I needed a suit.
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For Mr. Knight,
we have a custom three-piece suit.
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We took references from the comic.
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We really wanted to make sure
to bring in a little texture
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and not have it be flat white.
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So when the light hits it,
there's a slight lamé that comes out
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to have a little brilliance to the suit.
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It has a waistcoat with custom buttons,
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the Khonshu symbol.
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We adapted a sneaker because I wanted
to give it a modernized look.
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Mohamed, our director,
wanted them to have some straps on them
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in homage to mummies.
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Meghan did such an amazing job.
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And yeah, and it just became
this great joke in it,
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where he's supposed to do the "suit,"
but doesn't know what that means.
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Well, I do look sharp, though.
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- All right, where is the scarab?
- Scarab, oh...
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What's this?
What are these little poles for?
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The truncheons are used
both by Moon Knight and by Mr. Knight.
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In the original comic,
they had them housed on the lower leg,
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but for our purposes, because we wanted
the size to be a little bit bigger,
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we just had them just coming from behind
the back underneath the cape,
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or from underneath the jacket.
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Pretty cool, actually.
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Here's an interesting little tidbit.
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Originally, Marc had the Mr. Knight outfit
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and Steven had the Moon Knight outfit.
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And then as Steven became this
very, you know, English bloke,
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it's like, "I feel like
Steven's Mr. Knight. Don't we think that?"
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And then they were like,
"We were thinking the same thing."
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And so, then that got switched.
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All right, time out.
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That's it, time out!
Guys, let's all calm down, yeah?
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We're all worked up.
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Let's all just, like, chill the F out
and talk for a second...
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Take the body.
Take the body, take the body, Marc.
336
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Moon Knight
has such an iconic silhouette
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that we knew the ballpark
we wanted to stay in.
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Cowl, mask, cape.
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And then it came down to
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what were the subtle cues we wanted
to play with within the wardrobe itself.
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I think it makes
a really, really cool drawing,
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and for me that is Moon Knight.
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But once you actually
put it on a real person,
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you start imagining how
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an Egyptian God put SWAT team armor
on somebody, you know?
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And it feels a little wrong.
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The design of it was a process,
a collaborative process.
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Everyone chipped in.
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Oscar came in and he had
a couple of great ideas about it.
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The costume was a big point of
conversation in those early days.
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Ultimately, Ryan Meinerding stepped in
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and came up with this concept design,
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that as soon as it showed up,
everyone looked at it, and we're like,
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"I have not seen that
and that's freaking terrifying."
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All over Moon Knight's legs,
there are hieroglyphic inscriptions.
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Ancient Egyptian language did not have
the word "knight" in it.
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It didn't exist.
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So I had to come up with
"The Protecting Soldier of the Moon."
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Ancient Egyptian Moon Knight.
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We worked with Marvel
and their concept artists
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and also, obviously Meghan Kasperlik,
who's the costume designer on the show
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to kind of take that concept on
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and turn this comic book hero
into something real.
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Yeah, the gold is lovely.
But, Kieran, can you move your arms okay?
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- All good.
-Intrinsically,
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it needs to look like wrapped bandages.
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And in reality, that makes this
an extremely difficult garment to make.
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'Cause obviously, each individual piece
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is an individual piece
that's stitched together
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and also still has to fit skintight
on the human body.
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So we've had to
find fabrics with the right stretch
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and then we've printed
the bandage textures onto them
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and obviously dyed those fabrics as well.
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We're trying to keep it light and cool so
you don't overheat when you're wearing it
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and we're trying to keep it stretchy.
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At the same time making sure
that the fabrics and everything in it
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are robust enough to take falls
and heavy stunt work.
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The Moon Knight costume
and how it formed,
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it was a long journey
getting something that
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I think everyone was feeling good about.
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Just because we have seen
so many different transformations
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in so many different movies
and superhero projects,
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we tried a lot of different things
but wanted to make sure that
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it felt like it was
a magical transformation.
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But not something
that was coming from too far away,
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we wanted it to feel like it was coming
from close to his person.
387
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All right. Do it.
Take control. For now.
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So much of it was
real layering of materials
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that made this costume feel more real
in the end.
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Even though I know it was a lot of work
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for the team that put
the actual costume together
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and for Meghan and her team
to actually get it done,
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having new material
for us to photograph
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and to see how it moved was critical.
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You can describe Moon Knight
as being almost Marc's id.
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Him in his most unleashed,
his most unfeeling,
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his most violent, his most vengeful.
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-I think we struggled with Marc.
-Mmm-hmm.
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We struggled
to find him on the page.
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Steven is very easy to digest.
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Right away, you fall in love with him
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- from the third scene or something.
- Mmm-hmm.
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And I was so scared from episode three
that people just don't connect to Marc.
404
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Who is he? He's not as fun,
he's not as sympathetic, he's not.
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00:22:29,765 --> 00:22:33,727
The first time we ever met Marc on set,
it was like the air came out of the room,
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'cause he was in this... Not Oscar,
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Marc in the scene
was in this horrible mood.
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And so, you know, the whole mood
changed from bubbly, fun Steven
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to "All right, time to focus, everybody."
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At first I was unsure,
and so I said,
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"I don't wanna film any Marc things
on the same day as Steven.
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Can we figure it out
so we can do 'em on different days,
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so I can keep them really distinct?"
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Okay, here we go.
Stand by. And action!
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I didn't do that.
I am protecting her from Khonshu.
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00:23:04,174 --> 00:23:06,134
You don't know what you're talking about.
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00:23:06,218 --> 00:23:09,304
He's got his eyes on her. He wants her
as my replacement. I'm never...
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00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:11,431
You don't know what
you're talking about, Steven.
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Just shut up.
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And, by the way, Marc isn't
Oscar's regular voice, either.
421
00:23:15,769 --> 00:23:18,897
You know, that's a completely
invented accent.
422
00:23:18,980 --> 00:23:21,525
Listen to me, buddy. Hey, listen to me.
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Get away from that bag.
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Get away from that bag.
You're gonna get her killed.
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Giving Marc a bit of a Chicago thing
going on
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and then really delving into
the lore of the comics,
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and giving him a lower register of voice,
a different way of standing
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and finding the physicality
to make them very, very, distinct.
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Cut!
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I started to find,
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as I got more comfortable with
these two different people,
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I started to develop the muscle
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to be able to transition
between the two easier.
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And then, as it went on,
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that started to feel like
the real magic trick.
436
00:24:03,859 --> 00:24:07,028
For the timing,
do you want me to say the lines of Steven?
437
00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:09,197
So you know
how long to stay on the reflection for?
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Beautiful, yeah.
439
00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:13,535
There's a scene on the cliff,
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Marc talks to Steven and then we go back
to Oscar like three, four times.
441
00:24:17,414 --> 00:24:20,041
What the hell's wrong with you, Steven?
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00:24:20,125 --> 00:24:22,794
Me? You're the one
going on a killing spree.
443
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What he did was magical.
444
00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:26,381
I'm just changing the camera
445
00:24:26,465 --> 00:24:28,758
and he's changing as a human being,
from Marc to Steven.
446
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And Marc and Steven are completely
different and it's not easy for Oscar.
447
00:24:31,928 --> 00:24:34,806
I suggest you stop listening
to that stupid pigeon.
448
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Stay out of my way.
449
00:24:36,224 --> 00:24:39,352
By the end, it was really fun
because you could just see,
450
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in just the eyes,
you could see when there was a shift.
451
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You didn't even have to change,
you could see,
452
00:24:44,232 --> 00:24:46,151
"Oh, there's Marc. Marc's here,"
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and that was really exciting.
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I can look at a still photo of him
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and know if he's playing Steven or Marc.
Nothing different.
456
00:24:56,328 --> 00:24:59,498
It's just he holds himself differently.
Immediately.
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When we think back on it,
we spent time with
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three people in the same body
over that time period of shooting.
459
00:25:05,712 --> 00:25:08,965
We all got to know Oscar
and then we all got to know Steven
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- and then we all got to know Marc.
- Yeah.
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00:25:13,386 --> 00:25:15,889
When you have an amazing hero,
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when you set the bar that high
with an Oscar Isaac,
463
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you then go, "Okay, what do we do
with the villain?"
464
00:25:22,062 --> 00:25:24,397
The fact that Ethan Hawke
came into the mix,
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those are two dream castings.
466
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Very different than
the discoveries that we've made, right?
467
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Those are two very big,
very established stars
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00:25:32,864 --> 00:25:34,824
that we are very lucky to have
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come into our world
and inhabit these characters.
470
00:25:37,702 --> 00:25:38,995
She was betrayed.
471
00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:42,249
-Was she?
-By indolent fellow Gods.
472
00:25:42,332 --> 00:25:43,416
Oh.
473
00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:44,793
By even her own Avatar.
474
00:25:44,876 --> 00:25:48,088
The Avatars, too?
Blue people, right? Love that film.
475
00:25:48,171 --> 00:25:50,382
- By avatar, what I mean...
- You mean the anime?
476
00:25:50,465 --> 00:25:52,759
Steven. Stop it. Stop it.
477
00:25:52,842 --> 00:25:55,804
I had seen some of Mohamed Diab's movies
478
00:25:55,887 --> 00:25:59,307
and we were talking about making
a little indie sci-fi movie.
479
00:25:59,516 --> 00:26:03,562
We were, like, about to start
and we got this job and I asked him,
480
00:26:03,645 --> 00:26:05,564
"Can you wait for a year?"
And he said yes.
481
00:26:05,647 --> 00:26:09,317
And it was just like we clicked, and we
felt like we wanna do something together.
482
00:26:09,484 --> 00:26:11,444
I had been watching Good Lord Bird
483
00:26:11,528 --> 00:26:13,989
and it was just, like,
a staggering performance.
484
00:26:14,072 --> 00:26:16,074
As Mohamed and I were talking
about Harrow,
485
00:26:16,157 --> 00:26:19,536
I said, "Hey, man, you know, what about
Ethan? Wouldn't Ethan be great?"
486
00:26:19,619 --> 00:26:21,913
Mohamed said,
"Yes, I love Ethan. I know Ethan.
487
00:26:21,997 --> 00:26:25,083
"I think that'd be so good. That's such
a great idea, we should do that."
488
00:26:25,166 --> 00:26:27,877
I think it was the very next day,
I went down to my coffee shop
489
00:26:27,961 --> 00:26:29,004
and there Ethan was.
490
00:26:29,087 --> 00:26:31,923
And I had seen him around,
but I never had talked to him.
491
00:26:32,007 --> 00:26:34,926
And he's like, "Hey, I heard
you talked to Mohamed the other day."
492
00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:38,388
He goes, "I'm playing the Moon Knight."
And I was like, "I didn't know that."
493
00:26:38,471 --> 00:26:41,516
And he's "You should be the villain.
Mohamed and I talked about it."
494
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,351
It was a very easy yes.
495
00:26:43,435 --> 00:26:45,437
I mean, I never even
thought twice about it.
496
00:26:56,698 --> 00:26:58,908
What's so interesting
about the comics
497
00:26:58,992 --> 00:27:00,910
is they don't have a defining villain.
498
00:27:00,994 --> 00:27:03,747
And that allowed us to try to really,
499
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:06,416
what aspects of some of the villains
do we want to keep.
500
00:27:06,833 --> 00:27:10,795
What aspects really help the origin story?
501
00:27:11,546 --> 00:27:16,676
You know, what I believe he started out as
was a shady billionaire, sort of.
502
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,262
- Something like that, right?
- Yes, that's how it started.
503
00:27:19,346 --> 00:27:21,848
And then changing him to
essentially a cult leader.
504
00:27:21,931 --> 00:27:27,479
But we talked a lot with Ethan
about how to make that real because,
505
00:27:27,562 --> 00:27:32,776
you know, his zealousness and his belief
is for a world without pain.
506
00:27:33,068 --> 00:27:37,113
And that's, for us, you know, a much more
interesting character than someone
507
00:27:37,197 --> 00:27:39,532
that just has maliciousness at heart,
you know?
508
00:27:39,616 --> 00:27:43,453
The idea in episode six when he goes
to Ammit and tell her, "Take my life."
509
00:27:43,536 --> 00:27:47,499
He's not one of those villains who are
actually trying to get their ways because
510
00:27:47,582 --> 00:27:49,793
"I wanna control the world."
He doesn't care.
511
00:27:49,876 --> 00:27:51,795
Your Scales lack balance.
512
00:27:52,671 --> 00:27:55,757
I accept the Scales
regardless of the outcome.
513
00:27:57,509 --> 00:28:00,470
Most people who commit
terrible crimes don't think...
514
00:28:00,553 --> 00:28:03,056
They wake up in the morning and go,
"I'm a bad guy."
515
00:28:03,139 --> 00:28:06,017
They have their reasons.
Hell is paved with their reasons.
516
00:28:06,101 --> 00:28:11,856
And so, I had to come up with his reasons
and make them as rational and sane
517
00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:13,400
and compelling as possible.
518
00:28:14,901 --> 00:28:18,405
When you think about
cult leaders throughout history,
519
00:28:18,530 --> 00:28:20,782
megalomaniacs,
520
00:28:20,865 --> 00:28:26,079
they very often,
at least start out extremely idealistic.
521
00:28:26,162 --> 00:28:29,999
You see real, moral aspirations
in a lot of these people.
522
00:28:30,083 --> 00:28:34,754
And so I tried to tap into
what he believes, and that if...
523
00:28:34,838 --> 00:28:36,923
You have to believe that
you're really helping.
524
00:28:37,424 --> 00:28:41,886
We are here to make the Earth
as much like Heaven as possible.
525
00:28:43,054 --> 00:28:44,681
Who'd like to go first?
526
00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:48,977
I think that most successful villains
in the history of Marvel
527
00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:52,897
are the couple of villains
that actually have some gray in them,
528
00:28:52,981 --> 00:28:54,649
like Killmonger or Thanos.
529
00:28:54,733 --> 00:28:57,318
People actually thought, "You know what?
You have a point."
530
00:28:57,402 --> 00:29:01,698
And I hope Harrow is... People are gonna
feel that about him. He has a logic.
531
00:29:01,781 --> 00:29:04,159
Yeah, there's a logic.
And then there is also...
532
00:29:04,242 --> 00:29:07,412
It's very clear
that this guy comes from a lot of pain.
533
00:29:07,495 --> 00:29:12,000
Comes from a lot of pain, and that he has
a humanity to him via that pain.
534
00:29:13,543 --> 00:29:17,172
We got the pleasure of being able to
direct the opening scene of episode one
535
00:29:17,380 --> 00:29:19,883
- that originally was to open episode two.
-Yeah.
536
00:29:19,966 --> 00:29:22,761
We wish we could take
credit for it, but we can't.
537
00:29:22,844 --> 00:29:24,721
We have to lay it at the feet
of Ethan Hawke.
538
00:29:24,804 --> 00:29:28,391
He came up with this idea
that was a brilliant introduction scene.
539
00:29:28,475 --> 00:29:30,477
That's why you hire Ethan Hawke.
540
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,688
You just watched somebody put glass
in their shoe and walk away with a cane.
541
00:29:33,772 --> 00:29:36,524
And then, you know, scenes later,
542
00:29:36,608 --> 00:29:39,569
this guy comes crunching down the road.
543
00:29:39,652 --> 00:29:41,154
And you already know who he is,
544
00:29:41,237 --> 00:29:43,698
you already know that
this guy's pretty messed up.
545
00:29:43,782 --> 00:29:48,870
And it just creates so much mystery
and interest in who this person is,
546
00:29:48,953 --> 00:29:50,914
and that was all him.
547
00:29:50,997 --> 00:29:56,544
The idea of that cold open, we took it
and we played with it in the table reads.
548
00:29:56,628 --> 00:30:00,465
I think it was Grant who said
we should pay off the shoes,
549
00:30:00,548 --> 00:30:02,717
- it shouldn't just be an oddity.
-Smart.
550
00:30:02,801 --> 00:30:05,053
Anything that is planted,
it has to have repercussions,
551
00:30:05,136 --> 00:30:06,679
that domino effect of everything.
552
00:30:06,763 --> 00:30:09,516
And a lot of things just, like, got born
553
00:30:09,599 --> 00:30:11,810
- through those table reads.
-Yeah.
554
00:30:13,311 --> 00:30:14,896
Hey, you see that, don't you?
555
00:30:16,147 --> 00:30:19,025
Oh, yeah, I see it. I see it.
556
00:30:19,108 --> 00:30:22,737
Grant Curtis, our producer,
I give him so much credit for this too
557
00:30:22,821 --> 00:30:26,074
and Kevin and everybody at Marvel,
that they gave us the space to do this.
558
00:30:26,157 --> 00:30:29,744
We would have weekly table reads
of the episodes
559
00:30:29,828 --> 00:30:31,746
and just ask tons of questions
560
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:33,832
and get in there like mechanics,
you know?
561
00:30:34,082 --> 00:30:38,753
It evolved into something that was
way more deeply philosophical.
562
00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:44,467
It became super collaborative with Marvel
and the performers and you guys,
563
00:30:44,551 --> 00:30:49,305
where we ended up kind of re-understanding
the character just from a character level.
564
00:30:49,389 --> 00:30:52,016
We created, I think, an environment
565
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:54,644
that allowed people to
speak their mind narratively,
566
00:30:54,727 --> 00:30:56,229
there was never judgment.
567
00:30:56,312 --> 00:30:58,314
Just, "Yeah, what's best for my character?
568
00:30:58,398 --> 00:31:00,859
"I'm throwing this out there,
bounce ideas back and forth."
569
00:31:00,942 --> 00:31:04,529
And it made our scripts and our stories
and our series much better.
570
00:31:04,612 --> 00:31:06,948
When on set,
it was how do we make this work?
571
00:31:07,031 --> 00:31:09,117
How do we make this
the most honest it can be?
572
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,287
And we were all on the same page and so,
573
00:31:12,370 --> 00:31:16,291
that's why I think it feels seamless
with Aaron and Justin, with Mohamed,
574
00:31:16,374 --> 00:31:18,585
'cause we were all talking about
all those things.
575
00:31:18,668 --> 00:31:20,753
I mean, it was all out there in the open.
576
00:31:21,671 --> 00:31:23,840
May was on the table with us.
577
00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:27,719
- She was a strong fighter for Layla.
-Mmm-hmm.
578
00:31:27,844 --> 00:31:31,264
Layla wouldn't have been
the way she was without May.
579
00:31:31,347 --> 00:31:32,724
- Without a doubt.
- Uh,
580
00:31:32,807 --> 00:31:34,767
she was like between her and Sarah
581
00:31:34,851 --> 00:31:38,062
being the female voices in the room,
I think the two of them
582
00:31:38,146 --> 00:31:40,732
and Egyptians knowing who she is,
583
00:31:40,857 --> 00:31:43,192
the struggles that she had to go through.
584
00:31:43,276 --> 00:31:44,444
Casting Layla wasn't easy
585
00:31:44,527 --> 00:31:47,363
because I knew from the beginning
that it's not just a role,
586
00:31:47,488 --> 00:31:51,534
it represents a whole group of people,
around the world.
587
00:31:52,243 --> 00:31:54,120
I love May as an actress,
588
00:31:54,203 --> 00:31:55,830
but it was very important for me
589
00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:58,750
as an Arab to find someone
who can represent us.
590
00:31:58,833 --> 00:32:01,586
- So no one's gonna be here?
- Yeah, you wanna just be giving...
591
00:32:01,669 --> 00:32:04,756
I didn't really know anything
about the role before I took it on.
592
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:07,216
She was Egyptian and that for me
593
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:11,220
was a very exciting thing to portray
in a Marvel production.
594
00:32:11,512 --> 00:32:14,849
And then as time went by and I started
to figure out more about her
595
00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:17,393
and I found out her, like,
trajectory and journey,
596
00:32:17,477 --> 00:32:19,228
that became even more exciting.
597
00:32:21,105 --> 00:32:25,485
Mohamed went for actors that I think
he just intuitively know commit,
598
00:32:25,777 --> 00:32:29,322
just commit fully
and are not afraid to look silly doing it
599
00:32:29,489 --> 00:32:31,658
or, you know, whatever it takes.
600
00:32:31,991 --> 00:32:36,871
At every turn, she was completely game
and also had wonderful ideas
601
00:32:37,038 --> 00:32:39,749
about this character
and about giving her a real voice.
602
00:32:39,874 --> 00:32:42,043
Just so you know,
I'm not here to help you.
603
00:32:43,044 --> 00:32:46,214
I'm here for me and for everyone else
who would die if Harrow succeeds.
604
00:32:46,339 --> 00:32:47,966
I struggled a lot in the beginning.
605
00:32:48,091 --> 00:32:49,926
As like quite a vulnerable person,
606
00:32:50,009 --> 00:32:54,097
I had this idea of, like,
Layla has to be really strong
607
00:32:54,180 --> 00:32:57,392
and she doesn't have feelings
and I would get really insecure
608
00:32:57,475 --> 00:33:01,437
when I'd, like, crack or cry
or feel a bit emotional.
609
00:33:01,771 --> 00:33:04,607
But this is just kind of a real person
610
00:33:04,732 --> 00:33:08,152
and it was important for me
to show all those sides of a woman.
611
00:33:08,277 --> 00:33:10,780
Every time I learn something new
about you,
612
00:33:10,863 --> 00:33:16,494
I think, "That's it. There can't possibly
be any secrets left between us."
613
00:33:16,953 --> 00:33:21,374
And then something else pops up,
and it's like I've not known you at all.
614
00:33:21,499 --> 00:33:23,835
Yeah, you haven't.
615
00:33:25,294 --> 00:33:26,295
You don't.
616
00:33:27,338 --> 00:33:29,841
I loved doing episode four
617
00:33:29,966 --> 00:33:32,260
because I feel like Layla
got a lot of space
618
00:33:32,343 --> 00:33:35,555
for us to see what she's going through,
like, internally
619
00:33:35,638 --> 00:33:39,058
sort of be manifested
through the experience in the tomb.
620
00:33:40,351 --> 00:33:43,730
The scene with Harrow
felt like a play on the day
621
00:33:43,813 --> 00:33:47,358
because we were so spread apart
that there were two cranes filming us.
622
00:33:47,442 --> 00:33:51,529
We did all of our close ups at the
same time, which was really incredible.
623
00:33:51,738 --> 00:33:53,573
You handled that beautifully.
624
00:33:55,616 --> 00:33:56,951
Why do all men like you
625
00:33:58,494 --> 00:34:03,916
feel it necessary to be
so condescending?
626
00:34:04,375 --> 00:34:06,669
It was really important
for me to have Layla
627
00:34:06,753 --> 00:34:09,797
not just to be, like,
serving a man's journey.
628
00:34:10,006 --> 00:34:11,007
Are you done?
629
00:34:11,090 --> 00:34:13,468
Whether it's her father
or her lover or whatnot,
630
00:34:13,551 --> 00:34:17,597
I feel like she's discovering herself,
which is the biggest thing.
631
00:34:18,681 --> 00:34:20,516
I do hope you find closure.
632
00:34:29,525 --> 00:34:31,194
So this is our Cairo set.
633
00:34:31,944 --> 00:34:33,488
It's a very big day for us.
634
00:34:33,613 --> 00:34:35,740
We have 255 extras working.
635
00:34:36,032 --> 00:34:38,534
There's 55 picture cars
circling through there,
636
00:34:38,618 --> 00:34:41,329
along with Oscar and May walking
through the streets of Cairo.
637
00:34:42,288 --> 00:34:43,956
-And action!
638
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:48,920
When I got on the Cairo streets,
I was so overwhelmed.
639
00:34:49,045 --> 00:34:51,255
I had actual anxiety, which is...
640
00:34:51,380 --> 00:34:55,802
I feel that there sometimes
just because there's so much going on.
641
00:34:57,595 --> 00:34:59,764
One of the most
interesting things was
642
00:35:00,056 --> 00:35:03,309
creating downtown Cairo in Budapest.
643
00:35:04,393 --> 00:35:06,437
TREVOR WATERSON:
We built a big backlot area
644
00:35:06,562 --> 00:35:08,731
that's about four or five blocks of Cairo
645
00:35:08,815 --> 00:35:11,818
with the green screen behind
which will be the pyramid.
646
00:35:12,819 --> 00:35:16,948
Mohamed wanted to make sure
that if we weren't going to film in Egypt,
647
00:35:17,115 --> 00:35:20,618
we were going to have Egypt
replicated to a T.
648
00:35:21,828 --> 00:35:24,372
I'll tell you something
that pisses people in Egypt.
649
00:35:24,455 --> 00:35:27,041
The pyramids, it's always
in the middle of the desert.
650
00:35:27,125 --> 00:35:28,709
It has a side that is
in the desert,
651
00:35:28,793 --> 00:35:30,962
and the other side
is in the center of the city.
652
00:35:31,587 --> 00:35:34,841
So it was very important for me
to portray Egypt
653
00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:37,051
as real Egypt.
654
00:35:38,886 --> 00:35:40,888
We brought Egypt to Budapest.
655
00:35:41,597 --> 00:35:44,475
Basically reconstructed Cairo here.
656
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,688
Cairo neighborhood down to,
you know, the license plates
657
00:35:49,021 --> 00:35:51,941
and just even the T-shirts
and everything in Arabic.
658
00:35:52,066 --> 00:35:54,777
And really, it brought me back
to being in Cairo.
659
00:35:54,861 --> 00:35:55,945
It was really impressive.
660
00:35:57,530 --> 00:35:58,781
Everything, all right.
661
00:35:59,115 --> 00:36:02,535
I had tons of Egyptians, extras.
662
00:36:03,161 --> 00:36:04,370
And some of them told me,
663
00:36:04,453 --> 00:36:07,373
I haven't visited Egypt in five years,
and I finally feel home.
664
00:36:07,456 --> 00:36:09,500
And they were just
very emotional about it.
665
00:36:11,294 --> 00:36:14,755
Moon Knight is a gigantic production.
666
00:36:14,839 --> 00:36:17,008
Probably the biggest production
we've done so far,
667
00:36:17,091 --> 00:36:19,886
as far as just the overall scope
and size of the show.
668
00:36:19,969 --> 00:36:23,681
We needed to go to a place that we could
get as many stages as we need.
669
00:36:23,806 --> 00:36:25,892
Get as much backlot space as we need.
670
00:36:25,975 --> 00:36:28,311
I knew that we would be able
to pull off practically
671
00:36:28,394 --> 00:36:30,188
what we needed to pull off in Budapest.
672
00:36:32,023 --> 00:36:36,319
We completely fell in love
with our production designer Stefania.
673
00:36:36,569 --> 00:36:39,822
She's a character and a great person
and a hard worker,
674
00:36:39,906 --> 00:36:41,741
but also just a genius, right?
675
00:36:41,824 --> 00:36:45,244
I remember the day
she showed us that museum.
676
00:36:45,369 --> 00:36:48,623
- Mmm-hmm.
- I was blown away like everyone.
677
00:36:48,748 --> 00:36:52,877
It's a replica of everything Egyptian
I've ever seen in my life. It's, it's...
678
00:36:53,252 --> 00:36:55,546
She and her team, everyone, geniuses.
679
00:36:58,925 --> 00:37:02,970
We are in the
Museum of Fine Arts in Budapest.
680
00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:06,974
And we are recreating
681
00:37:07,058 --> 00:37:10,019
what is supposed to be the
equivalent of the British Museum.
682
00:37:10,102 --> 00:37:13,314
Egyptian part of the British Museum
in London,
683
00:37:13,606 --> 00:37:17,902
with three big rooms
that we're dressing with our artifacts.
684
00:37:19,654 --> 00:37:23,574
We made something like 140 pieces,
685
00:37:23,741 --> 00:37:28,079
from the biggest one,
which is six meter and something high
686
00:37:28,162 --> 00:37:31,582
to the smallest items
that have been sculpted and designed
687
00:37:31,666 --> 00:37:33,209
and then recreated, yes.
688
00:37:33,417 --> 00:37:35,544
Like jewels and small,
small, small pieces.
689
00:37:36,462 --> 00:37:42,802
Because most of our story is
the duplicity of Steven and Marc,
690
00:37:43,177 --> 00:37:48,099
those enclosed glass display
they were giving us,
691
00:37:48,182 --> 00:37:51,894
you know, the playground
of reflection that we needed.
692
00:37:59,443 --> 00:38:00,820
I can't believe it.
693
00:38:01,862 --> 00:38:04,240
Oh, my days. We're inside.
694
00:38:05,074 --> 00:38:07,243
We're inside the great pyramid of Giza.
695
00:38:11,706 --> 00:38:13,207
This is our biggest set.
696
00:38:14,208 --> 00:38:16,585
Probably. One of our biggest sets,
if not the biggest.
697
00:38:16,836 --> 00:38:19,630
We're inside the pyramids of Giza,
698
00:38:20,006 --> 00:38:21,966
and this is where the Avatars meet.
699
00:38:22,091 --> 00:38:24,844
So it's a very essential place
to the story.
700
00:38:25,011 --> 00:38:26,762
A lot of our story takes place there.
701
00:38:26,846 --> 00:38:29,849
A lot of everything kind of
comes together there in that set.
702
00:38:29,932 --> 00:38:31,851
So it was important for us to build that.
703
00:38:31,934 --> 00:38:34,812
What we built practically
was about three stories,
704
00:38:34,895 --> 00:38:36,981
as high as we could build onto the stage.
705
00:38:39,066 --> 00:38:42,236
We are on stage six at the Origo,
706
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,990
and this is the set that we call
the Chambers of the Gods.
707
00:38:46,407 --> 00:38:49,827
Here we are. Shooting tomorrow.
708
00:38:50,161 --> 00:38:53,247
It's kind of scary because I've never done
anything like this.
709
00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:57,501
You know, it's very difficult to do Egypt
710
00:38:57,626 --> 00:39:03,841
because I think
it's so easy to become cliché.
711
00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:06,969
You know, Vegas type of a thing.
712
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:09,555
I had two Egyptologists.
713
00:39:09,805 --> 00:39:13,351
One from here, one in LA,
and a researcher.
714
00:39:13,642 --> 00:39:15,353
You know, we can take license,
715
00:39:15,603 --> 00:39:21,609
and obviously we did take license,
but in a respectful way, I think.
716
00:39:24,612 --> 00:39:30,284
I wanted to mix the Gods
that are the Marvel characters
717
00:39:30,785 --> 00:39:33,287
with the original Gods statues.
718
00:39:36,457 --> 00:39:41,420
You know, the idea was that every portal
is where the Avatars come in.
719
00:39:42,505 --> 00:39:43,672
The disturbance.
720
00:39:44,965 --> 00:39:48,803
Egyptian Gods are very tall in scale,
721
00:39:48,928 --> 00:39:54,642
and we didn't want to have
just feet and knees on camera.
722
00:39:54,725 --> 00:40:00,773
So we brought down the faces
and the representative animal
723
00:40:00,856 --> 00:40:03,818
on ground level in the temple
724
00:40:03,901 --> 00:40:08,197
to have a more interesting interaction.
725
00:40:08,531 --> 00:40:10,825
We will decide our best course of action.
726
00:40:11,784 --> 00:40:12,910
Speak your purpose.
727
00:40:14,036 --> 00:40:15,788
The detail that was there
728
00:40:15,871 --> 00:40:18,582
and the sculptures
that we had in the Hall of Gods
729
00:40:18,707 --> 00:40:20,334
was amazing craftsmanship.
730
00:40:20,543 --> 00:40:21,836
We had a whole stone shop
731
00:40:21,919 --> 00:40:24,046
of people that were just there
building statues.
732
00:40:24,130 --> 00:40:27,633
That's all they did all day long
was mold and form and carve statues.
733
00:40:29,552 --> 00:40:32,513
The Alexander the Great set,
the amount of detail...
734
00:40:32,638 --> 00:40:36,016
There is no motivating reason
to go in and take a closeup of it.
735
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:39,186
But if you did,
everywhere you looked in this chamber,
736
00:40:39,311 --> 00:40:41,480
it looks so authentic. It's so detailed.
737
00:40:41,564 --> 00:40:43,357
Every little painting on the wall.
738
00:40:43,899 --> 00:40:47,486
We are in Alexander's
burial chamber.
739
00:40:49,321 --> 00:40:52,324
This was one of everybody's
most favorite set.
740
00:40:53,409 --> 00:40:56,287
We have some of Alexander's treasure.
741
00:40:57,288 --> 00:40:58,497
His famous horse.
742
00:40:59,081 --> 00:41:00,958
His personal shield.
743
00:41:01,917 --> 00:41:06,797
One of the challenging parts was
to paint it in a way that was accurate,
744
00:41:07,423 --> 00:41:10,843
not by just one painter,
but by multiple people,
745
00:41:10,926 --> 00:41:12,470
which would have happened.
746
00:41:13,387 --> 00:41:17,808
We contacted an art school in Budapest,
747
00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:21,562
where they have fantastic young artists.
748
00:41:22,062 --> 00:41:27,234
We put out several projectors
with the layout of the hieroglyphs,
749
00:41:27,401 --> 00:41:30,154
and they basically came and they painted.
750
00:41:30,237 --> 00:41:32,448
So it was a fantastic experience for us,
751
00:41:32,573 --> 00:41:34,617
because for me seeing
752
00:41:34,909 --> 00:41:38,579
younger people involved
in something so different
753
00:41:38,662 --> 00:41:41,123
from what they do was...
754
00:41:41,207 --> 00:41:42,666
They were very enthusiastic,
755
00:41:42,750 --> 00:41:48,422
and I think ultimately it's priceless
what they gave us.
756
00:41:49,673 --> 00:41:53,511
What Stefania did with these sets
as the production designer
757
00:41:53,594 --> 00:41:55,221
is just so important.
758
00:41:55,763 --> 00:41:57,556
For me, it's not because,
759
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,768
oh, I can feel like I'm really there,
you know. It's because...
760
00:42:01,685 --> 00:42:04,855
I see an artist bring their top game.
761
00:42:04,939 --> 00:42:08,609
I see them come in and, like,
make huge choices about the story.
762
00:42:08,776 --> 00:42:11,737
There's like little Easter eggs
that connect to other episodes.
763
00:42:11,820 --> 00:42:16,242
There's, like... Amazing thought
has gone into creating these sets.
764
00:42:16,867 --> 00:42:19,411
So it's like,
this person is committing fully
765
00:42:19,495 --> 00:42:21,580
and bringing everything they have
to the table.
766
00:42:21,664 --> 00:42:22,665
I wanna do that, too.
767
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,338
I hope that part of the joy
of watching this show will be
768
00:42:29,421 --> 00:42:31,840
exposure to this amazing
Egyptian mythology
769
00:42:31,924 --> 00:42:33,634
that a lot of people don't have.
770
00:42:35,803 --> 00:42:38,722
We dealt with classic
Joseph Campbell myths
771
00:42:38,806 --> 00:42:39,974
for years in the West.
772
00:42:40,057 --> 00:42:45,980
We saw a Stan Lee and Jack Kirby
adapted version of Norse myths, of course.
773
00:42:46,063 --> 00:42:50,442
And now really tapping into
the mythology of ancient Egypt,
774
00:42:50,526 --> 00:42:56,532
which is so formative for humanity itself
and for storytelling in general.
775
00:42:56,740 --> 00:42:58,742
Egyptian mythology is one of the oldest
776
00:42:58,826 --> 00:43:01,036
and the most fascinating ones
in the world.
777
00:43:01,704 --> 00:43:04,957
I think Hollywood has been
reluctant to approach it.
778
00:43:05,165 --> 00:43:07,876
I was lucky that I was given
the chance to show that.
779
00:43:08,043 --> 00:43:11,714
And I was lucky that the elements
of the story had that from the get-go.
780
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,507
We had a great team.
781
00:43:13,591 --> 00:43:15,342
We had the Egyptologists.
782
00:43:15,467 --> 00:43:19,805
We had Ramy Romany with us
making sure that everything is correct.
783
00:43:19,888 --> 00:43:21,265
Let's start with...
784
00:43:21,348 --> 00:43:24,685
Marvel was very keen on
trying to make Moon Knight
785
00:43:24,852 --> 00:43:29,398
as historically accurate as possible
for a fictional show.
786
00:43:29,815 --> 00:43:33,277
They were trying to thread that needle
between historical accuracy
787
00:43:33,444 --> 00:43:35,821
and comic book accuracy.
788
00:43:37,489 --> 00:43:42,202
The idea of an Avatar
is an ancient Egyptian idea.
789
00:43:42,453 --> 00:43:45,956
Every pharaoh is believed
to be the God Horus.
790
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,459
So every ancient Egyptian pharaoh
791
00:43:48,751 --> 00:43:51,170
is actually the Avatar of God Horus.
792
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:02,681
Binding the gods into a stone.
793
00:44:03,140 --> 00:44:05,684
Now that's fiction.
That didn't happen.
794
00:44:05,768 --> 00:44:07,603
But ushabtis are true.
795
00:44:07,811 --> 00:44:11,398
Every time you go in any royal tomb,
there are ushabtis
796
00:44:11,565 --> 00:44:15,361
that would help the deceased,
the king or nobleman,
797
00:44:15,569 --> 00:44:17,529
into his journey of the afterlife.
798
00:44:17,738 --> 00:44:20,032
Those ushabtis come to life,
799
00:44:20,407 --> 00:44:22,493
and they serve the king in the afterlife.
800
00:44:24,662 --> 00:44:27,373
Filming in Budapest,
there's a museum,
801
00:44:27,456 --> 00:44:29,750
and it's got
an ancient Egyptian collection.
802
00:44:29,917 --> 00:44:34,546
And there's a little cabinet,
of Taweret ushabtis
803
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:36,548
and there's a Taweret necklace.
804
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,258
And that was really special.
805
00:44:38,342 --> 00:44:42,262
It kind of brings home that it's not just
a make-believe character
806
00:44:42,388 --> 00:44:46,475
that we're bringing for the series,
but it has a long history.
807
00:44:46,725 --> 00:44:48,602
Also being half Egyptian myself,
808
00:44:48,686 --> 00:44:53,190
it's great that I get to play
this ancient Egyptian mythical character.
809
00:45:00,114 --> 00:45:01,115
Anything else?
810
00:45:01,198 --> 00:45:04,451
-That's it. Let's cut.
-Amazing. Yeah, let's cut it.
811
00:45:04,535 --> 00:45:06,203
Antonia is
another fellow Egyptian...
812
00:45:06,286 --> 00:45:07,287
Thanks, guys.
813
00:45:07,371 --> 00:45:10,916
...who the moment everyone heard her,
this is Taweret.
814
00:45:11,208 --> 00:45:15,170
By the way, today I learned Taweret,
without the R.
815
00:45:15,462 --> 00:45:17,464
- Whoa!
- Taweret. Taweret.
816
00:45:17,548 --> 00:45:18,882
I'm just gonna have you say it.
817
00:45:19,007 --> 00:45:21,510
I'm saying it and I hope I'm saying it
in the right way.
818
00:45:21,593 --> 00:45:24,304
We're all learning.
It's a language that is not spoken.
819
00:45:24,638 --> 00:45:26,432
- So we're all learning it.
- Right, right.
820
00:45:26,515 --> 00:45:29,476
But she is the character,
I think, like...
821
00:45:30,185 --> 00:45:31,311
they moved the character
822
00:45:31,395 --> 00:45:34,273
and created the character
visually around her performance.
823
00:45:34,356 --> 00:45:37,568
I remember the VFX team
showing us early motion capture.
824
00:45:37,651 --> 00:45:40,738
- Yeah.
- They show us her little test
825
00:45:40,863 --> 00:45:43,907
and then they show the exact mannerisms
826
00:45:44,032 --> 00:45:46,618
being doubled by a giant hippo.
It was hilarious.
827
00:45:46,702 --> 00:45:48,245
This will really bake your noodle,
828
00:45:48,328 --> 00:45:50,956
but I think you were just taking
a little time-out.
829
00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:53,876
I'm afraid you're actually quite dead.
830
00:45:53,959 --> 00:45:57,504
We talked about actually having
a real costume for Khonshu,
831
00:45:57,588 --> 00:45:59,298
a real costume for Taweret,
832
00:45:59,381 --> 00:46:01,175
a real costume for Ammit.
833
00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:03,886
Again, I don't like telling
a visual effects vendor,
834
00:46:04,011 --> 00:46:06,221
just make it look real,
make it look like real cloth.
835
00:46:06,305 --> 00:46:07,890
I'd much rather be able to say,
836
00:46:08,015 --> 00:46:12,186
match the way that the light reflects off
of Antonia's shoulder,
837
00:46:12,269 --> 00:46:15,189
or match the way
the beads look on our Ammit dress.
838
00:46:15,272 --> 00:46:17,149
And then, yeah, having a performance.
839
00:46:17,232 --> 00:46:19,026
I mean, having that for real
840
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:21,653
was was one of the things
that I really pushed for.
841
00:46:22,362 --> 00:46:26,575
Welcome, gentle traveler... Travelers,
842
00:46:26,658 --> 00:46:28,827
to the realm of the Duat.
843
00:46:29,244 --> 00:46:31,413
I think they're using
really new technology
844
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:36,251
where I am not burdened by this kind
of motion capture suit anymore.
845
00:46:36,752 --> 00:46:39,004
I'm only wearing my costume.
846
00:46:39,505 --> 00:46:43,091
And then we have the stick,
where basically there's an eyeline
847
00:46:43,175 --> 00:46:47,429
for the nine-foot-tall version of Khonshu,
which will be placed in later.
848
00:46:47,638 --> 00:46:51,809
We had a full-scale Khonshu skull
that we had manufactured.
849
00:46:51,892 --> 00:46:53,977
So we'd have reference
of Khonshu's head.
850
00:46:54,061 --> 00:46:56,939
We'd have great reference
of Khonshu's performance,
851
00:46:57,022 --> 00:46:58,816
'cause we could see
how he was moving around
852
00:46:58,899 --> 00:47:00,859
and we'd have a costume for reference.
853
00:47:00,943 --> 00:47:04,112
So then we would recreate that
as a digital character
854
00:47:04,196 --> 00:47:06,240
and you get clean plates
and all kind of stuff.
855
00:47:06,365 --> 00:47:08,450
But it was really helpful to have that.
856
00:47:10,035 --> 00:47:12,454
Give it back, you fool.
857
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:18,836
Being Egyptian and being somebody
who's very interested in ancient Egypt,
858
00:47:18,961 --> 00:47:22,673
I find that Marvel is taking a bit
of creative license with Khonshu.
859
00:47:22,756 --> 00:47:26,927
But they're also staying true to, I think,
the spirit of the mythology.
860
00:47:27,302 --> 00:47:31,265
You know, khonshu means "traveler"
in ancient Egyptian,
861
00:47:31,348 --> 00:47:34,059
and he's the protector
of the travelers of the night.
862
00:47:34,142 --> 00:47:38,480
He's the moon God, and he's there to keep
the balance in the universe.
863
00:47:38,605 --> 00:47:42,192
Do you swear to protect
the travelers of the night
864
00:47:43,110 --> 00:47:47,573
and bring my vengeance to those
who would do them harm?
865
00:47:48,073 --> 00:47:50,325
There's that literal side
of Khonshu,
866
00:47:50,701 --> 00:47:53,287
and then there is the metaphor
867
00:47:53,412 --> 00:47:58,208
which is the embodiment of Marc's rage.
868
00:47:58,292 --> 00:47:59,376
Kill him!
869
00:48:00,252 --> 00:48:03,881
His rage at what has happened
to him as a child...
870
00:48:04,047 --> 00:48:05,173
Break his windpipe!
871
00:48:05,424 --> 00:48:07,134
...and his rage at himself
872
00:48:07,301 --> 00:48:09,636
that feels that he deserves it
in some way.
873
00:48:09,887 --> 00:48:12,723
And that he has to be a slave to,
that he has no choice.
874
00:48:12,806 --> 00:48:14,266
You know, almost like an addiction.
875
00:48:14,808 --> 00:48:19,563
You think you own
this body?
876
00:48:21,815 --> 00:48:24,443
It belongs to me.
877
00:48:24,693 --> 00:48:25,903
The other thing is like,
878
00:48:25,986 --> 00:48:28,113
is Khonshu just another voice in his head?
879
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,991
And these are questions
that aren't answered readily.
880
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,918
Every aspect of this show
has a duality.
881
00:48:41,835 --> 00:48:47,215
Every person has a dual self,
and the story has a dual nature.
882
00:48:49,259 --> 00:48:52,930
Khonshu has this Avatar
whose job is to avenge wrongdoing.
883
00:48:53,013 --> 00:48:55,599
And then I am working for a different God
884
00:48:55,724 --> 00:48:59,186
whose goal is to eliminate all wrongdoing.
885
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,690
I could make a very compelling case
that I'm not playing the villain.
886
00:49:03,774 --> 00:49:08,612
It's possible to watch this show
and think that this human being
887
00:49:08,779 --> 00:49:12,324
has created these visions
of his psychiatrist
888
00:49:12,407 --> 00:49:14,660
who's trying to "aleve" his pain.
889
00:49:14,743 --> 00:49:18,288
And he wants his pain
because his pain gives him his identity.
890
00:49:18,747 --> 00:49:22,918
Because a lot of us
store our identity in our hurts, right?
891
00:49:23,210 --> 00:49:25,796
And so he's turned me into a villain.
892
00:49:27,464 --> 00:49:32,302
And so I've tried to create a character
893
00:49:32,386 --> 00:49:35,722
that could be seen
from either side of the coin.
894
00:49:35,806 --> 00:49:37,391
I liked the villain.
895
00:49:38,642 --> 00:49:44,564
His "No tree may ascend to
the light of heaven if it doesn't descend
896
00:49:44,648 --> 00:49:46,942
"to the darkness of hell".
897
00:49:48,235 --> 00:49:49,611
I actually believe that.
898
00:49:53,573 --> 00:49:56,994
This is
the mental institution set.
899
00:49:57,077 --> 00:50:02,749
As the point of view of Marc,
we go and reveal a lot of other characters
900
00:50:02,833 --> 00:50:06,712
and motifs and visuals that we've seen
throughout the rest of the episodes
901
00:50:06,795 --> 00:50:10,924
and reveal in that point of view
that his entire reality
902
00:50:11,008 --> 00:50:14,428
may have been shaped
by his experiences here in this asylum.
903
00:50:14,636 --> 00:50:16,388
Or maybe not.
904
00:50:16,596 --> 00:50:20,183
I think that's also what was so fun
about this, is the puzzle pieces.
905
00:50:20,267 --> 00:50:21,643
You know, not adding something
906
00:50:21,768 --> 00:50:23,729
just for the sake of adding
something cool,
907
00:50:23,854 --> 00:50:26,523
but really having it be
thematically interesting
908
00:50:26,606 --> 00:50:28,316
and something that has a payoff.
909
00:50:28,734 --> 00:50:30,652
-Let me out!
910
00:50:30,736 --> 00:50:33,113
Let me out! Let me out!
Let me out! Please.
911
00:50:35,991 --> 00:50:38,076
It's such a mind trip, the whole thing.
912
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,955
But then, to be able to add
these little, like, points
913
00:50:42,164 --> 00:50:45,292
that reorient you back
to those original things,
914
00:50:45,459 --> 00:50:46,877
it's just so much fun.
915
00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:49,004
- Steven!
- Marc!
916
00:50:56,970 --> 00:50:58,889
How is this possible?
917
00:50:59,556 --> 00:51:01,475
When we got to that part of the show
918
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,644
when actually they're outside
of each other talking to each other.
919
00:51:04,770 --> 00:51:08,106
One of the crucial things was
my brother came out,
920
00:51:08,190 --> 00:51:11,318
and he would play the other character
921
00:51:11,401 --> 00:51:13,403
whenever I had to do one,
so that was great.
922
00:51:13,487 --> 00:51:15,530
He's a great actor,
his name's Michael.
923
00:51:15,614 --> 00:51:17,574
So he was really there for me,
924
00:51:18,450 --> 00:51:20,494
and so often, sometimes when you watch it,
925
00:51:20,619 --> 00:51:23,163
I'm acting with my actual little brother,
you know.
926
00:51:23,580 --> 00:51:25,290
So, do we... You go next, or...
927
00:51:26,208 --> 00:51:27,292
Who is that?
928
00:51:28,794 --> 00:51:30,003
Marc,
929
00:51:30,087 --> 00:51:33,256
why is there a child in a room filled
with people you've killed?
930
00:51:34,216 --> 00:51:36,718
- Steven, look, don't go near him.
- Hey, little man.
931
00:51:37,511 --> 00:51:38,595
What's your name? Hey!
932
00:51:38,678 --> 00:51:40,347
Steven, Steven. Wait! Wait! Wait!
933
00:51:40,430 --> 00:51:43,517
I will say that was some
of the hardest stuff I had to do,
934
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,186
from a technical level,
because sometimes
935
00:51:46,269 --> 00:51:49,481
I'd have to make the choices
for both characters beforehand.
936
00:51:49,981 --> 00:51:52,526
Rehearse it once with me as Steven.
937
00:51:52,651 --> 00:51:54,319
Then rehearse it then with me as Marc
938
00:51:54,402 --> 00:51:57,364
imagining how I wanted to react
at the time
939
00:51:57,614 --> 00:51:59,533
and memorize the blocking.
940
00:52:00,117 --> 00:52:02,536
And then have to do it all to no one.
941
00:52:02,953 --> 00:52:05,247
Sometimes in a wider shot.
942
00:52:05,330 --> 00:52:07,082
Know what Layla would be all right with?
943
00:52:07,165 --> 00:52:09,709
- Don't. Just don't say it.
- I'm just saying there is
944
00:52:09,793 --> 00:52:11,378
one hippo and two of us, all right?
945
00:52:11,461 --> 00:52:13,338
It can't be that hard to steer this ship.
946
00:52:13,421 --> 00:52:17,467
- And we don't have to actually...
- Have to what? Kill the Goddess Taweret?
947
00:52:17,551 --> 00:52:19,803
Yeah. Just find me some rope
or something...
948
00:52:19,886 --> 00:52:21,388
Or we can do what she says,
949
00:52:21,471 --> 00:52:24,683
and help each other uncover whatever it is
that we're hiding, apparently.
950
00:52:24,766 --> 00:52:26,935
So those were some of the harder days,
951
00:52:27,018 --> 00:52:29,271
because it was just so
technically demanding.
952
00:52:29,521 --> 00:52:31,690
Right through these doors,
for example,
953
00:52:31,773 --> 00:52:33,817
we go through here,
there's gonna be patients,
954
00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:37,445
and there's Crawley
probably about to yell bingo!
955
00:52:37,571 --> 00:52:38,864
Oh, my God!
956
00:52:39,489 --> 00:52:40,490
Oh, my God!
957
00:52:40,991 --> 00:52:43,243
This is Taweret's boat.
958
00:52:43,785 --> 00:52:45,537
We've been filming here all this week.
959
00:52:45,662 --> 00:52:50,834
Taweret is guiding them through the Duat
which is the ancient Egyptian Underworld.
960
00:52:51,543 --> 00:52:54,921
Now I don't know what you two guys
have been hiding, but my advice,
961
00:52:55,088 --> 00:52:57,716
get in there
and show each other the truth.
962
00:52:57,966 --> 00:53:01,136
Balance your Scales before
we arrive at the Field of Reeds.
963
00:53:01,344 --> 00:53:04,097
I think that's what's so interesting
about Moon Knight,
964
00:53:04,389 --> 00:53:09,186
is that at the center of it,
you've got this really complex character
965
00:53:09,436 --> 00:53:12,189
navigating this emotional journey.
966
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,275
What are you doing here?
Hmm?
967
00:53:17,736 --> 00:53:18,737
Come on, buddy.
968
00:53:18,987 --> 00:53:20,864
You were supposed
to keep him safe!
969
00:53:20,947 --> 00:53:21,948
Steven, let's go.
970
00:53:23,241 --> 00:53:26,494
There's a feeling of a brotherly
relationship between the two of them,
971
00:53:26,578 --> 00:53:29,331
despite the fact that they are technically
the same person.
972
00:53:29,414 --> 00:53:31,541
And there's something
almost paternal even.
973
00:53:31,625 --> 00:53:36,880
But ultimately this story becomes
about unifying those two sides to himself.
974
00:53:38,548 --> 00:53:40,467
Why do you have to make me do this?
975
00:53:40,550 --> 00:53:42,552
I wanna see what she did.
976
00:53:42,636 --> 00:53:43,678
You disgusting human.
977
00:53:43,762 --> 00:53:45,972
You do not need to see that.
You're not meant to.
978
00:53:46,056 --> 00:53:47,349
That's the whole point of you.
979
00:53:47,432 --> 00:53:51,937
I think it was just about being honest
to what the ideas and honest to...
980
00:53:52,979 --> 00:53:55,440
You know, what a lot of people
have to deal with,
981
00:53:55,523 --> 00:53:57,609
which is really intense childhood trauma.
982
00:53:57,692 --> 00:54:00,737
And, you know, how that manifests
as an adult.
983
00:54:01,154 --> 00:54:03,573
Of course, there's the allegory
of the Moon Knight
984
00:54:03,657 --> 00:54:05,116
and the Gods and the powers.
985
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,995
But really, and it's a line
that we found in five.
986
00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:11,665
It's this thing
that you think is an ailment.
987
00:54:11,748 --> 00:54:15,877
My other personality that I can't control
and, you know, how horrible,
988
00:54:16,294 --> 00:54:19,839
he ends up realizing that
that's actually his superpower.
989
00:54:20,340 --> 00:54:23,301
All those horrible things
that she said to you,
990
00:54:23,385 --> 00:54:25,887
- she was wrong. It wasn't your fault.
991
00:54:27,764 --> 00:54:30,308
I shouldn't have brought him in the cave.
992
00:54:30,392 --> 00:54:31,393
Hey.
993
00:54:32,811 --> 00:54:35,480
Hey. You were just a child.
994
00:54:37,941 --> 00:54:39,359
It wasn't your fault.
995
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:54,165
At the end, Marc and Steven
learn how to live together as one person,
996
00:54:54,249 --> 00:54:58,211
which turns out to be in the final fight
their advantage.
997
00:54:58,378 --> 00:55:01,965
If you were to take Mr. Knight
and Moon Knight and combine them,
998
00:55:02,257 --> 00:55:05,427
you'd have the ideal superhero, right?
999
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:07,721
The ideal superhero with humanity.
1000
00:55:07,804 --> 00:55:11,224
They sort of complete each other,
and that's the whole point.
1001
00:55:13,393 --> 00:55:17,439
It is a direct interpretation
of a healthy relationship
1002
00:55:17,522 --> 00:55:19,232
in DID with their alters.
1003
00:55:19,357 --> 00:55:21,318
You know, once they start
working together,
1004
00:55:21,401 --> 00:55:25,363
and how interesting would it be
to see a fight scene
1005
00:55:25,530 --> 00:55:28,783
where the two of them are morphing
throughout the whole thing
1006
00:55:29,034 --> 00:55:30,952
and actually complementing each other.
1007
00:55:31,244 --> 00:55:35,373
And also speaks to the description
of why Moon Knight
1008
00:55:35,498 --> 00:55:38,918
is such a worthy adversary.
It's because he's totally unpredictable.
1009
00:55:43,256 --> 00:55:46,426
I think throughout
the course of history,
1010
00:55:46,593 --> 00:55:48,261
the people who are truly benevolent
1011
00:55:48,345 --> 00:55:50,889
have forgiveness
as a part of their teaching,
1012
00:55:50,972 --> 00:55:53,933
that you still believe
that people can change
1013
00:55:54,059 --> 00:55:55,560
and they can grow and get better.
1014
00:55:55,685 --> 00:55:58,355
And I think what tips Harrow
into the fanatic point
1015
00:55:58,772 --> 00:56:01,358
is he really does not believe that.
1016
00:56:01,441 --> 00:56:05,320
You know, would you wait to weed
the garden until after the roses are dead?
1017
00:56:05,403 --> 00:56:07,364
A weed is a weed is a weed, you know.
1018
00:56:07,447 --> 00:56:10,283
It's gonna kill what's good,
and let's just nip it in the bud.
1019
00:56:10,367 --> 00:56:13,244
Even children?
And you're like, yes, even children.
1020
00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:18,291
And that's where you get into a fanaticism
that most of us can't go that distance.
1021
00:56:19,626 --> 00:56:23,755
At the end, it's about free choice.
Two ideologies fighting together.
1022
00:56:24,089 --> 00:56:26,966
One is trying to cleanse
the world from evil.
1023
00:56:27,175 --> 00:56:30,804
And the other one, "No, let's cleanse
whoever did something wrong."
1024
00:56:32,222 --> 00:56:34,891
It's about giving humanity a chance
to make its own mistakes
1025
00:56:35,016 --> 00:56:36,601
and learning from its own mistakes.
1026
00:56:37,352 --> 00:56:39,521
Had Ammit been allowed to rule,
1027
00:56:39,938 --> 00:56:42,524
young Randall's life would've been saved,
1028
00:56:42,899 --> 00:56:44,943
your family would have been happy.
1029
00:56:45,527 --> 00:56:48,947
She need only remove one weed
from the garden.
1030
00:56:50,156 --> 00:56:51,157
You.
1031
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,619
We must rebind Ammit.
1032
00:56:54,744 --> 00:56:55,745
How?
1033
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:58,289
Only an Avatar can do it.
1034
00:56:59,958 --> 00:57:02,585
Mohamed and Antonia came to
1035
00:57:02,752 --> 00:57:05,380
the makeup trailer 30 minutes
before we were going to film.
1036
00:57:05,588 --> 00:57:08,967
And Mohamed was like,
"Well, you see, in the Chamber of Gods,
1037
00:57:09,092 --> 00:57:14,556
"most of them, like embody the God.
So can you just copy Antonia,
1038
00:57:14,639 --> 00:57:18,393
"and memorize her lines
and then embody Taweret?"
1039
00:57:18,643 --> 00:57:20,520
And I was like, "Okay."
1040
00:57:26,568 --> 00:57:28,027
You've changed your mind.
1041
00:57:30,572 --> 00:57:34,242
It was so much fun working
on the physicality with May
1042
00:57:34,409 --> 00:57:36,703
as we were both playing the scene out,
1043
00:57:36,786 --> 00:57:40,999
and she was copying my movements that I do
when I'm Taweret and my intonations.
1044
00:57:41,249 --> 00:57:42,792
Say it, Antonia.
1045
00:57:42,876 --> 00:57:45,587
- Don't be scared.
- "Don't be scared."
1046
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:48,465
I'm not sure it was always
going to be us two together,
1047
00:57:48,548 --> 00:57:50,383
but there's something so great about
1048
00:57:51,050 --> 00:57:55,805
the vibrancy and silliness of Taweret
being paired with Layla.
1049
00:58:00,768 --> 00:58:03,480
The show didn't start
with the Scarlet Scarab,
1050
00:58:03,563 --> 00:58:07,567
but seeing May and developing her
as an Egyptian character,
1051
00:58:07,650 --> 00:58:11,946
step by step, the idea came up.
Let's make her into a superhero.
1052
00:58:14,574 --> 00:58:16,784
We zeroed in on an Egyptian superhero
1053
00:58:16,910 --> 00:58:19,287
in the Marvel universe
named the Scarlet Scarab.
1054
00:58:19,370 --> 00:58:23,833
Traditionally, it's a male character
who goes and reappropriates
1055
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,336
Egyptian artifacts from people
who have stolen
1056
00:58:26,419 --> 00:58:29,631
or gotten them by ill means
and returns them to the rightful owners.
1057
00:58:29,714 --> 00:58:32,091
We thought, "Man,
the way our narrative is teeing up,
1058
00:58:32,175 --> 00:58:35,011
"that lines up with exactly
what we needed for our show."
1059
00:58:43,895 --> 00:58:46,064
Right now, Marvel is the world
to a lot of people.
1060
00:58:46,147 --> 00:58:50,944
Kids, teens. To be part of that world,
it means that you exist.
1061
00:58:51,236 --> 00:58:53,279
- Mmm.
- Representation really.
1062
00:58:53,530 --> 00:58:57,450
I know this word now has been
thrown right and left.
1063
00:58:57,534 --> 00:59:02,205
But having someone like this
on screen, defending good,
1064
00:59:02,455 --> 00:59:04,832
that's the kind of story
that brings people together.
1065
00:59:04,916 --> 00:59:07,794
Would you say this fulfills
a childhood wish for you?
1066
00:59:07,919 --> 00:59:08,920
Absolutely.
1067
00:59:14,342 --> 00:59:17,470
I feel like, and I'm going
to speak from my experience,
1068
00:59:17,554 --> 00:59:21,683
like, when I've seen Arabs on film,
like, it's given me so much permission
1069
00:59:21,849 --> 00:59:26,813
and faith that I also have a space
and a place to do that.
1070
00:59:26,896 --> 00:59:30,900
And I want women there to want
to express themselves through art
1071
00:59:30,984 --> 00:59:33,736
and to share their story
and to, like, get out there more.
1072
00:59:33,820 --> 00:59:37,740
If I can share that
or help one person feel that way,
1073
00:59:37,824 --> 00:59:39,701
then I feel like my job is done.
1074
00:59:59,137 --> 01:00:00,763
Here we are in Jordan.
1075
01:00:02,307 --> 01:00:06,227
Well, we started in April,
about six months ago in Budapest.
1076
01:00:06,436 --> 01:00:07,770
And now, it's my last day
1077
01:00:07,854 --> 01:00:09,981
and the whole crew's
going to be finishing up
1078
01:00:10,106 --> 01:00:12,400
throughout this week on Moon Knight.
1079
01:00:12,525 --> 01:00:15,486
And this is about
the perfect place to end it,
1080
01:00:15,570 --> 01:00:19,115
right where I first fell in love
with movies, watching Lawrence of Arabia,
1081
01:00:19,198 --> 01:00:21,951
I get to shoot scenes
on the same backlot.
1082
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,161
The planet Earth.
1083
01:00:23,745 --> 01:00:25,788
Jordan was at
the very end of the shoot.
1084
01:00:25,872 --> 01:00:28,583
If anyone would have told me
in a span of four years,
1085
01:00:28,708 --> 01:00:31,336
I'd be going to do
three different projects
1086
01:00:31,419 --> 01:00:34,213
in the Wadi Rum desert,
I would never have believed them.
1087
01:00:34,297 --> 01:00:36,799
But Star Wars, Dune and now Moon Knight,
1088
01:00:36,924 --> 01:00:39,052
all shot in the same desert.
1089
01:00:39,302 --> 01:00:42,764
Wadi Rum, the real desert.
1090
01:00:42,847 --> 01:00:45,308
It felt like a big summer vacation
for everybody.
1091
01:00:45,391 --> 01:00:47,185
You know, we were out in the sun,
1092
01:00:47,602 --> 01:00:51,189
you know, right by the the Red Sea
and going up to Petra.
1093
01:00:51,356 --> 01:00:53,483
It was an amazing way
to end the whole thing.
1094
01:00:55,193 --> 01:00:56,736
Whoo-hoo!
1095
01:00:56,819 --> 01:00:58,363
It's over!
1096
01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:03,534
We're in a fascinating moment
of storytelling,
1097
01:01:03,618 --> 01:01:06,954
which is the form of movies is changing.
1098
01:01:08,331 --> 01:01:12,752
This is not a TV show,
it's a movie on a larger canvas,
1099
01:01:12,835 --> 01:01:15,380
and we're trying to aspire to approach it
1100
01:01:15,463 --> 01:01:19,050
with that level of cinema
and that level of quality.
1101
01:01:19,926 --> 01:01:23,054
It's hard to paint such a big canvas,
you know. I mean,
1102
01:01:23,179 --> 01:01:25,556
it's damn hard to make one good movie.
1103
01:01:25,765 --> 01:01:28,601
To try to make three in a row,
you know,
1104
01:01:28,768 --> 01:01:32,522
is asking a lot of the craftsmen
and everybody involved.
1105
01:01:32,814 --> 01:01:34,357
So the lift is big.
1106
01:01:34,607 --> 01:01:37,068
Ethan, I remember,
said to us very early on.
1107
01:01:37,193 --> 01:01:39,821
He says, "We're having a great time now.
1108
01:01:40,113 --> 01:01:43,908
"But remember, someday you're going to be
on day 80 and you can't blink.
1109
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,160
"It has to be as good as day one,
1110
01:01:46,369 --> 01:01:49,288
"because nobody's going to ever say.
'That wasn't so good.
1111
01:01:49,414 --> 01:01:51,165
"'But they were on day 80. Poor them.'
1112
01:01:51,249 --> 01:01:52,875
"It has to stay.
1113
01:01:52,959 --> 01:01:54,752
"You have to keep that dream alive."
1114
01:01:54,877 --> 01:01:58,464
It's such a challenge,
and I salute everyone who's doing TV.
1115
01:01:59,048 --> 01:02:02,051
Especially on this kind of caliber,
making it feel cinematic.
1116
01:02:02,176 --> 01:02:04,429
Six hours of film.
1117
01:02:04,887 --> 01:02:09,016
Oh, my God, guys,
it was such a taxing experience,
1118
01:02:09,100 --> 01:02:11,102
but very rewarding.
1119
01:02:11,269 --> 01:02:13,855
And I have to tell you,
one of the coolest things
1120
01:02:13,938 --> 01:02:15,523
to get to witness on this job
1121
01:02:15,606 --> 01:02:18,109
was seeing something at this scale.
1122
01:02:18,234 --> 01:02:22,780
And the alchemy it takes for something
of this scale to become personal.
1123
01:02:22,905 --> 01:02:24,323
It feels like a personal story.
1124
01:02:24,407 --> 01:02:27,160
It feels like your prior movies,
and it feels like you and Sarah.
1125
01:02:27,243 --> 01:02:29,370
And I can feel the humanity in it.
1126
01:02:29,454 --> 01:02:33,666
And to have the structure
of the creative collaboration that we had,
1127
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:36,753
that we had all those days together
in a room spitballing.
1128
01:02:36,919 --> 01:02:41,007
I think in doing that we were able
to create something pretty bold,
1129
01:02:41,174 --> 01:02:42,842
and I think that's the aspect of it
1130
01:02:42,967 --> 01:02:46,053
that I'm really excited about
audiences seeing.
1131
01:02:58,399 --> 01:03:01,569
I would never have guessed,
and I don't mean this derogatorily,
1132
01:03:01,652 --> 01:03:04,989
that this would be one of my most
creatively fulfilling adventures.
1133
01:03:05,114 --> 01:03:06,657
Because it was just like,
1134
01:03:06,741 --> 01:03:08,993
everybody was throwing
everything out on the table
1135
01:03:09,118 --> 01:03:12,038
and taking big swings on a major stage.
1136
01:03:12,955 --> 01:03:18,294
And that we had the faith
and not only the space to do it,
1137
01:03:18,377 --> 01:03:20,880
but the support to do it was just amazing.
1138
01:03:24,926 --> 01:03:27,053
There are new challenges
and new rewards
1139
01:03:27,136 --> 01:03:29,764
that come with making longer form stories.
1140
01:03:30,097 --> 01:03:32,433
We're keeping the endings
more open now, I think.
1141
01:03:32,517 --> 01:03:34,519
We don't have to tie up every loose end.
1142
01:03:34,936 --> 01:03:37,313
And when you create characters
1143
01:03:37,396 --> 01:03:39,982
as strong as Moon Knight
and Scarlet Scarab,
1144
01:03:40,691 --> 01:03:42,610
we can confidently go into the future
1145
01:03:42,693 --> 01:03:45,071
knowing that there's more stories
left to tell
1146
01:03:45,154 --> 01:03:47,949
and new characters
that we can bring in to tell them.
1147
01:03:54,205 --> 01:03:56,666
What the hell was that?
1148
01:03:58,167 --> 01:03:59,502
I blacked out.