♪♪
♪ LIFT EVERY VOICE AND SING
TILL EARTH AND HEAVEN RING ♪
♪ RING WITH THE HARMONIES
OF LIBERTY
LET OUR REJOICING RISE
HIGH AS THE LISTENING SKIES ♪
♪ LET US MARCH ON UNTIL VICTORY
IS WON ♪
♪♪
>> GOOD EVENING.
I'M BEBE WINANS.
WELCOME TO "SOUL OF A NATION." TONIGHT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT FAITH.
TONIGHT, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT RELIGION YOU ARE, OR IF YOU'RE
RELIGIOUS AT ALL. THIS SHOW IS FOR YOU.
WE'RE GOING TO WADE DEEP INTO THE WATERS OF FAITH, LOOKING AT
THE POWER AND CHALLENGES OF THE NEW BLACK CHURCH.
NICK CANNON IS ON A JOURNEY. AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE YOU TO
THE KITCHEN FOR A CONVERSATION THAT WILL FEED YOUR SOUL.
PLUS, ANTHONY HAMILTON IS HERE WITH SOME MUSICAL INSPIRATION.
BUT FIRST, BLACK FOLKS HAVE OFTEN USED RELIGIOUS TEACHINGS
TO TURN THE OTHER CHEEK AND FORGIVE GRAVE INJUSTICES IN THIS
COUNTRY. WE'VE SEEN EXTRAORDINARY ACTS OF
VIRTUE AND GRACE.
DAVID SCOTT ASKS WHY.
>> I DON'T CARE WHAT CHURCH I GO INTO NOW.
I DON'T CLOSE MY EYE TO PRAY. I WILL NEVER BE CAUGHT OFF‐GUARD
LIKE THAT AGAIN. I WILL NEVER CLOSE MY EYE AGAIN
TO PRAY.
♪ AMAZING GRACE HOW SWEET THE
SOUND ♪
>> IT WAS A CRIME SO HEINOUS,
THE PRESIDENT RUSHED TO CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA, TO
LEAD THE MOURNING.
♪ THAT SAVED A WRETCH LIKE ME ♪
>> NINE SOULS GUNNED DOWN BY A SELF‐DESCRIBED WHITE SUPREMACIST
NAMED DYLANN ROOF INSIDE MOTHER EMANUEL AME CHURCH.
PARISHIONERS WELCOMED HIM IN, HE SHOT AT THEM AS THEY PRAYED.
>> DYLANN ROOF UNLOADED THE GUN ON HIM. MY SON STILL WAS ALIVE.
>> FELICIA SANDERS' SON, TYWANZA, WAS ONE OF THE LAST TO
DIE.
>> I COULD SEE THE BLOOD COMING FROM SOMEWHERE ON HIM AS HE WAS
TALKING TO DYLANN. I THINK HE SAVED THE THREE OF US
THAT WERE IN THAT ROOM.
>> YOUR SON DIED A HERO, TRYING
TO PROTECT OTHER PEOPLE.
>> I WATCHED MY SON LOOKING FOR MY AUNT SUSIE.
WHEN HE REACHED AUNT SUSIE, HE GRABBED A HANDFUL OF HER HAIR,
AND HE HELD HER HAIR IN HIS HAND. HE LOOKED LIKE HE WAS SO
RELIEVED.
>> POLICE CAPTURED ROOF THE NEXT DAY.
AND THEN, AT HIS BOND HEARING, FROM SOME SURVIVORS A REMARKABLE
DISPLAY OF CLEMENCY.
>> EVERY FIBER IN MY BODY HURTS. TYWANZA SANDERS IS MY SON.
BUT TYWANZA WAS MY HERO. MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOU.
>> IT'S A PECULIAR FEATURE OF RACIALLY‐LOADED CRIMES LIKE THIS
WHEN BLACK VICTIMS OFFER FORGIVENESS TO WHITE
PERPETRATORS, EVEN IN THE ABSENCE OF SO MUCH AS AN APOLOGY.
>> SOME PEOPLE THINK FORGIVENESS IS A SIGN OF WEAKNESS.
TO ME, FORGIVENESS IS A SIGN OF STRENGTH.
IF I DIDN'T FORGIVE DYLANN ROOF, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GO TO
COURT, PUT HIM AWAY FOR THE REST
OF HIS ENTIRE LIFE, PLUS.
>> LET US BOW OUR HEADS IN PRAYER.
>> AFTER THE FUNERAL WAS OVER, RACISM, HATRED, BIGOTRY, AND
IGNORANCE ON SO MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS, PARADED ITSELF IN SUCH A
WAY THAT WE HAD TO ASK OURSELVES, "HOW AMAZING IS THAT
GRACE?"
>> SOME THEOLOGIANS REFER TO SOMETHING CALLED CHEAP GRACE.
FORGIVENESS WITHOUT ATONEMENT. IS IT PART OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING
HERE?
>> FORGIVENESS ‐‐ EVERYONE CAN REALLY RALLY AROUND FORGIVENESS,
RIGHT? IF WE WANT RECONCILING, ATONING,
AMAZING GRACE, WE HAVE TO DO THE WORK.
>> IN THE 2018 SHOOTING DEATH OF BOTHAM JEAN INSIDE HIS OWN
APARTMENT BY OFF‐DUTY DALLAS POLICE OFFICER AMBER GUYGER,
JEAN'S 18‐YEAR‐OLD BROTHER STUNNED A TEXAS COURTROOM AND
THE COUNTRY WHEN HE PUBLICLY FORGAVE HER.
>> I KNOW I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF, I FORGIVE YOU.
>> DID YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD SAY WHEN YOU STOOD UP?
>> NO, I DID NOT KNOW AT ALL. I JUST FELT DISGUSTED, AND IT
WAS JUST ‐‐ WHEN I LOOKED AT HER? RAGE.
>> ALLISA CHARLES‐FINDLEY, THE ELDEST OF THE THREE JEAN
SIBLINGS, WATCHED THE SCENE PLAY OUT IN DISBELIEF.
>> I WAS JUST SHOCKED. I RESPECT IT.
AND I EXPECT EVERYBODY ELSE TO DO THE SAME.
EVERYONE GRIEVES DIFFERENTLY.
>> MY IMPACT STATEMENT WOULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
IF IT WASN'T FOR MY GRANDMOTHER.
>> WHAT DID SHE TELL YOU?
>> SHE SAID, "JUST REMEMBER IT'S HER SOUL THAT COUNTS."
>> I THINK GIVING YOUR LIFE TO CHRIST WOULD BE THE BEST THING
THAT BOTHAM WOULD WANT YOU TO DO. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS
POSSIBLE, BUT CAN I GIVE HER A HUG, PLEASE?
PLEASE?
>> DID YOU FEEL THAT ‐‐ THAT THROUGH FORGIVENESS YOU COULD
RELEASE SOME OF THAT ANGST, SOME OF THAT ANGER?
>> I DIDN'T KNOW BEFORE I DID IT. I JUST DID IT.
AND THEN I FELT RELIEVED AFTER.
LIKE ‐‐ YEAH.
>> WE LOVE WHAT HE DID, BECAUSE IT FREED HIM.
>> HOW MUCH SYMPATHY HAS SHE EXPRESSED TOWARDS YOU ALL?
>> NONE.
>> ZERO.
>> ZERO? THAT SURPRISE YOU?
>> NO.
>> WHY NOT?
>> WITH ALL OF THE POLICE BRUTALITY SITUATIONS, THE
VICTIMS AND THEIR FAMILIES DON'T NORMALLY GET SYMPATHY FROM THE
DEFENDANT. SO I DIDN'T EXPECT IT IN OUR
CASE.
>> WHERE ON THE FORGIVENESS SPECTRUM WERE YOU AT THAT TIME?
>> AT THAT TIME, IT WASN'T A THOUGHT.
IT'S STILL NOT EVEN A THOUGHT FOR ME RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH BECAUSE OF THAT ONE PERSON AND
HER PRIVILEGE.
SO FORGIVE ME FOR NOT RUSHING TO FORGIVE HER FOR TURNING OUR
LIVES UPSIDE DOWN. IT'S GONNA TAKE MUCH MORE TIME
FOR ME.
>> NEXT MONTH, THE JEAN FAMILY WILL BE BACK IN COURT.
AMBER GUYGER IS APPEALING HER MURDER CONVICTION, SEEKING A
REDUCTION IN HER TEN‐YEAR SENTENCE.
WHAT DOES IT FEEL LIKE, BRANDT, TO HAVE THIS STILL NOT BE OVER?
>> I FEEL LIKE WE'VE ALREADY BEEN ROBBED.
AND THERE'S A CHANCE THAT WE COULD BE ROBBED AGAIN.
>> I THINK THAT UNTIL WE COME TO PARITY AND RESPECT FOR HUMAN
DIGNITY AND HUMAN LIFE, WE WILL FORGIVENESS WILL MEAN NOTHING.
>> NOW, IN LUKE, GOD CLARIFIES THAT IF THERE'S REPENTANCE, YOU
MUST FORGIVE. IN THIS CASE WE KNOW THERE WAS
NONE, STILL IS NONE. DID THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO
YOU?
>> I DON'T CARE IF HE NEVER REPENTS.
SO I GAVE HIM FORGIVENESS BECAUSE HE WAS NOT GOING TO HOLD
ME HOSTAGE. I WANTED HIM TO UNDERSTAND THAT
YOU DIDN'T WIN.
>> SO YOU TOOK IT AS A TEST OF YOUR FAITH?
>> A TEST OF MY FAITH, AND I
BELIEVE I PASSED.
>>> MUCH LATER ON "SOUL," NICK CANNON TAKES US ON HIS
JOURNEY TOWARDS ATONEMENT. BUT COMING UP, TOUGH QUESTIONS
FOR THE BLACK CHURCH.
>> IS THE BLACK CHURCH DYING IN AMERICA?
>> THAT'S AHEAD ON "SOUL OF A NATION."
>>> WELCOME BACK. THE BLACK CHURCH HAS ALWAYS BEEN
THE HEARTBEAT OF THE COMMUNITY. PROVIDING A SAFE HAVEN IN TIMES
OF RACIAL VIOLENCE, AND UPLIFTING THE DOWNTRODDEN.
BUT IS THE CHURCH FALLING SHORT AS SOCIETY EVOLVES AND SOCIAL
JUSTICE TAKES CENTER STAGE? HERE'S "NIGHTLINE'S" CO‐ANCHOR
BYRON PITTS.
>> THE WORLD WAS ONCE VOID AND FORMLESS, AND DARKNESS COVERED
THE SURFACE OF THE DEEP WHEN GOD
SAID, "LET THERE BE LIGHT."
>> THE BLACK CHURCH IS A LIVING, MYSTICAL COMMUNITY OF
HOPE‐FILLED PEOPLE.
>> THE BLACK CHURCH IS THE STRONGEST AUTONOMOUS BLACK
INSTITUTION IN AMERICA.
>> COVID, DISCRIMINATION,
POLITICAL INSURRECTION, ALL OF THAT WILL COME TO PERSONS'
CONSCIOUSNESS. AND THAT'S WHERE THE CHURCH WILL
BE THE INSTRUMENT OF JESUS CHRIST TO HELP HEAL PEOPLE
WHO CANNOT FIND A BALM IN GILEAD.
♪♪
♪ I WENT TO THE CHURCH LAST
NIGHT ♪
>> THE BLACK CHURCH HAS SURVIVED AND THRIVED IN THE FACE OF
RACIAL VIOLENCE AND TERRORISM. AND THE BLACK CHURCH IS STILL
HERE.
♪♪
♪ SWING LOW SWEET CHARIOT COMING
FOR TO CARRY ME HOME ♪
>> THIS IS THE NEW SHILOH BAPTIST CHURCH I GREW UP IN.
IT FED EVERY PART OF MY BEING, MY SOUL.
>> BACK IN THE DAY, BYRON, NEW SHILOH WAS THE SPOT.
>> OH, IT WAS THE BIG HOUSE IN BALTIMORE.
>> NO DOUBT. MY FRIENDS WERE THERE.
MY FAMILY WAS THERE.
MY MENTORS WERE THERE.
>> TODAY'S NEW SHILOH IS IN A NEW BUILDING, FACING NEW BURDENS.
YET OBSTACLES HAVE CREATED OPPORTUNITY.
NEW SHILOH BECAME AMONG THE FIRST CHURCHES IN BALTIMORE CITY
TO PROVIDE THE COVID‐19 VACCINE. WHAT ARE THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF
THIS CHURCH?
>> SURE, I WOULD SAY THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR MEMBERSHIP WOULD
BE 60 AND OVER.
>> LIKE SO MANY CHURCHES, NEW SHILOH'S CONGREGATION IS
SHRINKING. NATIONWIDE, YOUNG BLACK PEOPLE
ARE LESS LIKELY TO ATTEND ANY KIND OF RELIGIOUS SERVICE, MUCH
LESS A BLACK CHURCH. I'VE HEARD MORE AND MORE PEOPLE
ASK THE QUESTION, "IS THE BLACK CHURCH DYING IN AMERICA?"
YOU SAY WHAT.
>> NO, THE BLACK CHURCH IS NOT DYING. THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT
THINGS THAT HAVE IMPACTED THE BLACK CHURCH.
THE MOVEMENTS THAT MADE THE CHURCH GREAT AND THE CULTURE OF
WHO I AM AND WHO AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE HAD A GOD.
THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. THE BLACK LIVES MATTER'S
MOVEMENT, HAVE NO GOD. THAT'S A MAJOR DEFICIT, BYRON.
MAJOR DEFICIT.
>> THERE'S ALWAYS A TENSION BETWEEN THOSE WHO WANT TO MOVE
FAST, AND THOSE WHO WANT TO MOVE A LITTLE SLOWER.
IT IS A PASSING OF THE BATON.
>> REVEREND HEBER BROWN PASTORS PLEASANT HOPE BAPTIST CHURCH.
HIS YOUNG CONGREGATION HAS A NAME FOR HIM.
THEY CALL HIM "THE WOKE PASTOR."
>> I'M SAD TO SAY THAT SO MANY CHURCHES ARE STANDING ON THE
SIDELINE LOOKING GOOD, BUT NOWHERE TO BE FOUND IN THE FIGHT.
>> I EMBRACE AND APPRECIATE BLACK LIVES MATTER.
I SEE IT AS AN EXTENSION OF THE BLACK FREEDOM STRUGGLE IN THIS
COUNTRY.
>> IT'S PASTOR BROWN'S OUTSPOKEN STANCE ON RACIAL JUSTICE THAT'S
ATTRACTED YOUNG MEMBERS LIKE ACTIVIST AND POET LADY BRION.
>> IF YOU ASK ME THE QUESTION, "IS IT POSSIBLE TO BE A BLACK
RADICAL WOMAN IN THE CHURCH?" THE ANSWER IS, "YES."
BECAUSE THAT IS HOW I EXIST
TODAY. THERE'S A BURNING BUSH WHERE MY
HEART USED TO BE. IT KEEPS ME ON FIRE FOR THE LORD.
AND THOUGH THE BIBLE IS FULL OF ALL TYPES OF POETRY, I WASN'T
ABLE TO REALLY BE A POET IN THE CHURCH.
BUT AT PLEASANT HOPE I FOUND THE SPACE WHERE I COULD EXPLORE ALL
OF THOSE THINGS.
>> BUT FOR FELLOW ARTIST AND ACTIVIST SHAN, THE CHURCH, ONCE
A PLACE OF REFUGE, NO LONGER FEELS LIKE A SAFE SPACE.
>> I BECAME QUEER, AND I STARTED TO ASK MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT
MYSELF, MY SEXUALITY. I THINK VERY OFTEN, THAT MIGHT
HAVE CONFLICTED WITH THE BELIEF IN THE BLACK CHURCH.
IS THE BLACK CHURCH OPENLY ACCEPTING GAY PEOPLE?
ACCEPTING TRANS PEOPLE?
>> PART OF WHAT I HEAR FROM THOSE IN THE BLACK LIVES MATTER
MOVEMENT, THEY SAY THEY'RE PROBLEM WITH THE TRADITIONAL
BLACK CHURCH IS THAT IT IS TRADITIONAL.
IT ISN'T A SPACE THAT WELCOMES CONVERSATION ABOUT SEXUALITY,
HOMOPHOBIA ‐‐
>> SEE, WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS WE TRY TO PIGEONHOLE SIN.
WHETHER THEY HAVE A SEXUAL PERSUASION, THEY FEEL
UNCOMFORTABLE. WE JUST BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS
LOVE, AND JESUS CAN DELIVER YOU.
>> YOU MENTION IT IN THE CONTEXT OF SIN.
WHERE FOR MANY PEOPLE, THE ISSUE OF GENDER IDENTITY, THEIR
SEXUALITY IS DISCONNECTED FROM SIN.
>> ABSOLUTELY. YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND WHEN I SAY "SIN," I MEAN WHAT THE BIBLE PROFESSES TO BE
SIN. I STILL SAY, "SIN IS SIN," AND
I'M NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE ANYBODY'S PERSUASION.
THAT'S BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR GOD.
>> BUT AS REVEREND CARTER CONSIDERS THE ROOT OF HIS OWN
TENSION BETWEEN HIS CHURCH AND THE ACTIVISM OF A NEW
GENERATION, HE HAS AN EPIPHANY.
>> IT JUST HIT ME LIKE A LIGHTNING BOLT.
I'M STARTED TO GET EVEN A LITTLE TEARY ON THIS.
THE PROBLEM, IN TERMS OF TRYING TO RECONCILE WHAT BLACK LIVES
MATTERS IS ABOUT, IS PROBABLY THE WORD JEALOUSY.
AND IT JUST STRUCK MY SPIRIT.
>> SAY MORE.
>> THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CREATE A FERVOR AMONGST, NOT ONLY OUR
OWN AS AFRICAN‐AMERICANS, BUT THE DIVERSITY.
WHERE THE CHURCH SHOULD BE DOING THAT.
>> TO THE PASTORS I SAY, "GO CONNECT WITH YOUNG FOLKS."
AND FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE I SAY, "LISTEN, KEEP YOUR CRITIQUE.
IT'S REAL. I HONOR IT. AND IF YOU THROW AWAY THE
CHURCH, YOU THROW AWAY A PIECE, AND A PART OF WHAT YOUR ELDERS
HELPED TO BUILD AND LEFT FOR YOU." THIS IS A PART OF YOUR
BIRTHRIGHT AS WELL.
>>> STRAIGHT AHEAD ‐‐ BLACK AMERICA IS AT A CROSSROADS, AND
SO IS THE CHURCH.
>> YOU'RE A BLACK WOMAN.
>> YES.
>> YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN. YOU'RE ALSO A STRONG ADVOCATE
FOR ABORTION RIGHTS.
>> YES. IS THAT A CONFLICT?
>> TO OTHER PEOPLE.
>> AND A SPECIAL PERFORMANCE FROM ANTHONY HAMILTON.
RIGHT HERE, ON "SOUL OF A NATION."
>>> WELCOME BACK. THERE ARE FEW TOPICS MORE
POLARIZING THAN ABORTION. BUT IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, IT'S
WHERE THE REALITIES OF INEQUALITY COLLIDE WITH FAITH
AND POLITICS. TONIGHT WE EXPLORE HOW THE VALUE
OF HUMAN LIFE FITS INTO THE CONVERSATION AROUND BLACK LIVES.
HERE'S ABC'S DEBORAH ROBERTS.
>> WHEN YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED HERE, DID YOUR WHOLE FAMILY TALK
ABOUT IT?
>> THAT WAS THE TIME FOR THE CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, THE
CONVERSATION THAT YOU HAVE WITH YOUR SONS ABOUT HOW THE WORLD IS
GONNA SEE THEM DIFFERENTLY. MY 18‐YEAR‐OLD SON JUST STARTED
DRIVING. HE'S A GOOD KID, BUT THE WORLD
SEES HIM AS A THREAT.
>> STANDING HERE AT THE WEATHER‐BEATEN MEMORIAL FOR
MICHAEL BROWN, CHERILYN HOLLOWAY REFLECTS ON THE MOMENT HER OWN
ACTIVISM WAS IGNITED.
>> WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE DO NOT RESPECT THE HUMAN DIGNITY
OF BLACK MEN AND WOMEN.
>> HOW MUCH DOES THAT FACTOR INTO YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT
ABORTION?
>> IT IS ALL RELEVANT. BECAUSE HERE'S A MAN WHO WAS
SHOT, HE COULDN'T DEFEND HIMSELF.
THE SAME WAY A BABY CAN'T DEFEND THEMSELVES IN THE WOMB.
BOTH THOSE LIVES MATTER AND BOTH OF THOSE LIVES DESERVE TO HAVE
SOMEONE SPEAKING UP FOR THEM. AND I CAN DO BOTH.
FROM THE WOMB TO THE TOMB, ALL OF IT MATTERS.
>> CHERILYN IS THE FOUNDER OF PRO‐BLACK, PRO‐LIFE.
HERE IN MISSOURI, AS IN A NUMBER OF STATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY,
CHALLENGES TO ROE v. WADE ARE MOUNTING, EVEN AS MOST AMERICANS
BELIEVE WOMEN SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO ABORTION.
THIS IS THE LAST ABORTION CLINIC IN THE STATE OF MISSOURI?
>> YEAH, WE ARE IT. THE LAWS IN MISSOURI ARE VERY
STRICT SO IT JUST MADE IT HARD FOR PEOPLE TO STAY OPEN.
>> WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS YOUR JOB HERE?
>> I'M THE DIRECTOR OF SURGICAL SERVICES.
SO I OVERSEE ABORTION, ADVANCED CARE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
>> YOU'RE A BLACK WOMAN.
>> YES.
>> YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN.
>> YEAH, I AM.
>> YOU'RE ALSO A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR ABORTION RIGHTS.
>> YES.
>> IS THAT A CONFLICT?
>> TO OTHER PEOPLE. I'M BLACK. I'M A WOMAN.
I LOVE GOD. I GO TO CHURCH. AND I BELIEVE IN ABORTION.
>> KAWANNA AND CHERILYN ARE
REALLY SIMILAR IN SO MANY WAYS. TWO MOTHERS WHO BELIEVE THAT
BLACK LIVES MATTER AND THAT GOD IS REAL.
BUT ON THE ONE TOPIC THAT DRIVES EACH OF THEIR ACTIVISM,
ABORTION, THEY STAND ON OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE AISLE.
BLACK WOMEN HAVE 17% HIGHER ABORTION RATES THAN WHITE WOMEN.
WITHIN THE BLACK CHURCH, IT SOMETIMES FEELS LIKE NO ONE
ASKS, NO ONE TELLS.
>> A NUMBER OF THE IMPOVERISHED SINGLE MOTHERS THAT I WENT TO
CHURCH WITH, THEY WERE SUFFERING UNDER A NEED FOR REPRODUCTIVE
RIGHTS IN ORDER TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
BUT OUR PASTORS FROM THE PULPIT WOULD FORCE UPON THEM THE IDEA
THAT GOD WOULD SEE YOU AS GUILTY. AND YET HERE WE WERE, ALL
TOGETHER, STILL. SO IN A LOT OF WAYS, WE PREACHED
SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO CALL COMPLEX.
IT WAS AN INTERESTING AND STRANGE HYPOCRISY.
>> FOR BOTH KAWANNA AND CHERILYN, THE ISSUE IS DEEPLY
PERSONAL. AT WHAT POINT DID YOU STAKE OUT
A FEELING ABOUT ABORTION AND WHETHER IT'S RIGHT OR SHOULD BE
EVEN ALLOWED?
>> AFTER MY SECOND ONE.
>> AFTER YOUR SECOND ONE?
>> AFTER MY SECOND ONE.
>> YOU DID HAVE A SECOND ABORTION?
>> I DID. I SAT ON MY FLOOR, AND I WEPT.
AT THAT POINT IS WHEN THE LORD STARTED TO REALLY WORK ON ME,
'CAUSE I WAS TIRED OF BEING A SUBPAR CHRISTIAN.
I WAS TIRED OF SAYING I WAS A CHRISTIAN AND NOT ACTING LIKE IT.
>> YOUR ARGUMENT IS NOT JUST ANTI‐ABORTION.
>> I REALIZED THAT I COULDN'T JUST BE PRO‐LIFE, THAT I ALSO
HAD TO BE PRO‐BLACK IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT FOR GENERATIONS TO
COME, THAT WE STILL EXIST.
>> DO YOU THINK ABORTION SHOULD BE ILLEGAL?
>> I THINK ABORTION SHOULD BE UNNECESSARY.
>> PEOPLE OFTEN SAY, SHE GOT FIVE KIDS AND SHE FIGHTING FOR
ABORTION? HOW DOES THAT MIX?
THAT WAS MY CHOICE. I HAD THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE TO
CARRY TO TERM AND PARENT.
>> BUT PEOPLE WOULD BE SURPRISED TO HEAR YOU SAY GOD IS CALLING
YOU TO HELP PROVIDE ABORTION RIGHTS.
>> YEAH. AND THEN I WOULD SAY TO THEM,
WHAT IS GOD CALLING YOU TO DO? YOU NEED SOMEBODY ALWAYS IN THE
MIDST OF THE MUD. IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH WHERE
GOD HAS PLACED ME TO BE ABLE TO FIGHT FOR PEOPLE, THEN THAT'S
SOMETHING YOU GOT TO TAKE UP FOR GOD.
>> YOURS IS NOT A FACE THAT WE SEE OFTEN IN THE
PRO‐LIFE/ANTI‐ABORTION MOVEMENT. IS THAT A DIFFICULT PLACE FOR
YOU TO BE?
>> I'M BRINGING FORTH A MESSAGE THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT
THEY'RE USED TO HEARING OR SAYING FOR PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE
ME THAT ARE IN THE PRO‐LIFE MOVEMENT.
IF WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE LIFE ISSUE IN TERMS OF RACE,
THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT IT COMPLETELY AND WHOLLY.
THE REALITY IS THIS IS THE STRUCTURE IN THE COUNTRY THAT
YOU BUILT. STOP USING MY COMMUNITY AS A
TALKING POINT, IF YOU REALLY AREN'T GOING TO BE THERE FOR MY
COMMUNITY.
>> GOD IS COMPLEX. GOD KNOWS THAT A FETUS IS A
BEAUTIFUL PART OF A CONTINUING CREATIVE LEGACY.
AND YET SO TOO IS THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THAT FETUS HAS
TO EVEN SURVIVE IF IT'S INSIDE OF A BLACK BIRTHING BODY.
LET'S TALK ABOUT MEDICAL APARTHEID AND BLACK BIRTHING
RATES. IF SERENA WILLIAMS CAN'T HAVE A
GOOD BIRTHING STORY, PLEASE DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT PEACHES
NEM OUT HERE OUTSIDE OF MY CHURCH STRUGGLING TO FIND
MEDICAL CARE.
>> THIS BLACK SKIN IS BEAUTIFUL, BUT IT'S HARD.
WE SUFFER IN POVERTY, HEALTH CARE.
AND SO IT'S LIKE ANOTHER BARRIER ON TOP OF US WHEN WE DECIDE TO
MAKE A DECISION TO TERMINATE. THE WOMAN WHO IS SUFFERING, WE
STILL NEED TO SEE TO HER. WE STILL NEED TO HELP HER.
THAT'S BLACK LIVES. SO I'M NOT GONNA TURN MY BACK ON
THE BLACK GIRLS WHO CHOOSE ABORTION.
I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT.
>>> SUNNY HOSTIN IS BACK "IN THE KITCHEN" AND GETTING REAL ABOUT
RELIGION.
>> WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOPE AND FAITH?
>> WHEN "SOUL OF A NATION" RETURNS.
>>> WELCOME TO "THE KITCHEN."
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
>> HONOR TO BE HERE.
>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FAITH. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
HOPE AND FAITH? OH, I'M GONNA GO TO YOU, BISHOP.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> SO, FOR ME, FAITH IS AN ACTIVATOR.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT ACTIVATES ME TO STEP OUT ON THE PROMISES
OF GOD AND DO IT. I BELIEVE THAT I CAN DO ALL
JESUS CHRIST. AND SO WHEN I ACT ON IT, THAT'S
MY ‐‐ THAT'S MY FAITH. FAITH IS NOW. FAITH IS IMMEDIATE.
FAITH IS ACTION. FAITH IS MOVEMENT.
I MOVE IN THE DIRECTION OF WHAT I BELIEVE.
NOW, THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM HOPE. HOPE IS LATER ON.
I HOPE THIS WILL HAPPEN. I HOPE THIS IS GONNA WORK OUT.
I HOPE THIS IS GONNA BE HERE. BUT MY FAITH IS ATTACHED TO THE
GOD I BELIEVE.
>> SIR RIZZA.
>> WELL, I AM A MEMBER OF THE NATION OF ISLAM. I AM MUSLIM.
GROWING UP HOW I GREW UP. YOU KNOW, BLOODS, CRIPS.
THAT'S THE ENVIRONMENT. SO IN THE MIDST OF THAT, HAVING
A LEVEL OF FAITH, BEING THE SUBSTANCE OF THINGS, HOPE FOR
THE EVIDENCE OF THINGS NOT YET SEEN.
SOME TRANSLATIONS, NOT SEEN, BUT NOT YET MEANING YOUR FAITH WILL
INCREASE TO THE DEGREE OF THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU SEE PUT INTO
ACTION. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WORD, AND
THAT TERM, AND THAT ACTIVITY OF FAITH AND HOPE, IT'S A VERY
DIFFICULT RELATIONSHIP.
>> YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING TO ME. YOU'RE A MUSLIM, YOU'RE A
CHRISTIAN, YOU'RE QUOTING THE SAME SCRIPTURE.
>> THAT'S A FACT.
>> I'M CATHOLIC. I'VE HEARD THIS SCRIPTURE.
CHARLES, ON THE OTHER HAND. WOULD YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF TO
BE A RELIGIOUS PERSON? AGNOSTIC? ATHEIST?
>> PROBABLY ON THE AGNOSTIC SIDE.
I BELIEVE THAT SOMETIMES WHEN WE PUT OUR FAITH OR HOPE IN WHAT
WILL BE GREAT FOR US AFTER WE ARE DEAD, WE DON'T PUT ENOUGH
EFFORT INTO MAKING LIFE BETTER FOR US WHILE WE ARE ALIVE. RIGHT?
THAT THERE'S AN INCREDIBLY LONG TRADITION OF, ON THE POLITICAL
LEVEL, OF PEOPLE PREACHING HOPE TO BLACK PEOPLE AS A POLITICAL
MECHANISM. IF YOU LOOK AT CAMPAIGNS, THEY
ALWAYS TELL BLACK PEOPLE TO HOPE.
OR THAT I AM THE HOPE CANDIDATE. BUT HOPE AS A MEANS OF NOT
FALLING INTO DESPAIR IS INCREDIBLY POWERFUL.
HOPE AS A POLITICAL TOOL IS FOLLY.
>> I DIDN'T KNOW IF BISHOP WAS GONNA WEIGH IN ON THAT.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> I'M GONNA HAVE BISHOP PRAY FOR ME AFTER THIS.
>> I FELT IT COMING.
I FELT IT COMING.
>> I HAVE NO FAITH IN THAT.
>> I KNOW GOD EXISTS BECAUSE I SEE HIS CREATION EVERY DAY.
I SEE THIS WOMAN. I SEE THIS BROTHER.
THAT'S THE FAITH THAT INCREASES FOR ME. IS BECAUSE I SEE IT.
SO IF YOU SAY YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN, OR A MUSLIM, OR A
JEW, OR A BUDDHIST, ET CETERA, I WILL KNOW THAT BY YOUR WORKS.
YOU CAN ONLY TELL A TREE BY THE FRUIT IT BEARS.
AND YOU CAN ONLY TELL WHO OR WHAT A PERSON IS BY WHAT THEY DO.
>> WOW. PEOPLE ARE PREACHING TODAY.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> OKAY. I WANT TO ASK YOU SOMETHING THAT
WE'RE ASKING ALL OF OUR GUESTS IN "THE KITCHEN."
WHAT WAS THE MOMENT WHEN YOU KNEW YOU WERE BLACK?
>> I DON'T KNOW. IT'S A VERY INTERESTING QUESTION
BECAUSE I GREW UP IN MAJORITY BLACK SPACES.
SO WHITE PEOPLE WERE NOT PRESENT IN MY SPACE, RIGHT.
I ALSO REMEMBER BEING ABOUT 4, 3 OR 4 YEARS OLD.
AND PLAYING IN THE FRONT YARD OF MY GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE IN RURAL
ARKANSAS. AND A GUY ON A MOTORCYCLE CAME
INTO THE YARD. IT WAS A WHITE MAN.
AND HE WAS ASKING FOR DIRECTIONS. AND I REMEMBER THINKING, "WAIT,
SO PEOPLE CAN JUST MOVE AROUND?" "YOU CAN ‐‐ YOU CAN NOT ‐‐
YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAY WHERE YOU ARE?" AND THAT WE WERE ON THE
SUFFERING END OF THAT. AND THAT THERE WERE FREEDOMS ON
THE WORLD. AND ‐‐ AND THAT ‐‐ AND THAT MORE
WHITE PEOPLE WERE RECEIVING OF THOSE.
>> WHEN I KNEW I WAS BLACK WAS DIFFERENT FROM BEING AWARE OF MY
BLACK HISTORY. I WAS RAISED IN AFRICAN
SPIRITUALITY. BUT WHEN I KNEW IT, WHEN I SAW
MY OLDER BROTHER GETTING TOSSED IN THE BACK OF A POLICE CAR.
>> AND A DIFFERENT KIND OF ENERGY.
>> OH, YEAH. AND THEN I WAS TAUGHT BY MY
FAMILY RIGHT THEN AND THERE. "NO, THIS IS HOW THEY TREAT US."
AND I WAS, LIKE, "WHY?" "YOU BLACK."
SO I KNEW AT THAT MOMENT, "OKAY. THIS IS THE CIRCUMSTANCE RIGHT
NOW, I GET IT. BUT IT WON'T BE THIS WAY
FOREVER."
>> BISHOP? WHEN WAS THE MOMENT YOU KNEW YOU
WERE BLACK?
>> WHEN DID I NOT KNOW I WAS BLACK.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> A BETTER QUESTION.
>> I GREW UP ALSO IN BLACK SPACES.
I WENT TO COLORED SCHOOL NUMBER
>> I WANT THAT T‐SHIRT. COLORED SCHOOL NUMBER 9.
>> I'D WEAR THAT.
>> BUT IT REALLY HIT HOME WHEN INTEGRATION CAME.
AND SO IN THE FIFTH GRADE, ALL
OF A SUDDEN IT IS HERE.
GETTING UP AT 6:00 A. M. TO GET ON A SCHOOL BUS TO GO WAY OVER
TOWN TO BE IMMERSED IN A CULTURE THAT I DID NOT KNOW.
THEY ARE TELLING ME WHO I AM. THEY SAID, "WELL, YOU'RE THIS.
AND YOU'RE THIS." ALL THESE NAMES I SAID, "NO,
THAT'S NOT WHO I AM. YOU DON'T KNOW WHO I AM."
SO WE WERE RAISED TO KNOW WHAT OUR HISTORY WAS.
THAT WE COME FROM KINGS AND QUEENS.
SO THERE WAS NEVER A TIME WHEN I DIDN'T KNOW.
BUT WHAT HAPPENED IS, YOU'RE PLACED IN POSITIONS WHERE YOU
HAVE TO TEACH OTHER PEOPLE.
>> THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR JOINING ME TODAY SO MUCH.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> I'VE LEARNED. I'VE BEEN ENERGIZED.
>> YAY.
>> SPIRITUALLY.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> YAY. GOOD.
>> SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
>> YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
>> THANK YOU.
>>> COMING UP, NICK CANNON GETS CANDID.
>> I DIDN'T WANT TO DO ANY INTERVIEWS.
>> HE SAYS HE'S ON A JOURNEY OF ATONEMENT AFTER EXPLOSIVE
ANTI‐SEMITIC COMMENTS.
>> DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU'VE BEEN FORGIVEN?
>> NEXT, ON "SOUL OF A NATION."
>>> WELCOME BACK. NICK CANNON HAS PROPELLED HIS
WAY TO FAME AS THE ULTIMATE MULTI‐HYPHENATE ENTERTAINER.
BUT HIS IMAGE AND CAREER WERE SHAKEN AFTER ANTI‐SEMITIC
REMARKS HE MADE LAST SUMMER. TODAY HE SAYS HE'S ON A JOURNEY
TO LEARN AND TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT. HERE'S ABC NEWS ANCHOR
LINSEY DAVIS.
>> YOU'VE MADE A VERY CLEAR DISTINCTION BETWEEN AN APOLOGY
VERSUS ATONEMENT.
>> ATONEMENT.
>> ARE YOU SEEKING FORGIVENESS?
>> I'M NOT SEEKING FORGIVENESS. I'M SEEKING FOR GROWTH.
>> NICK CANNON IS NOT ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS, BUT AFTER WHAT HE
SAID THIS PAST SUMMER, MANY THINK HE SHOULD.
AFTER YEARS OF BUILDING HIS
BRAND, BIGOTED COMMENTS HE MADE ON ONE PODCAST THREW HIS STARDOM
AND FUTURE INTO A TAILSPIN.
>> THESE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T HAVE WHAT WE HAD AND WHEN I SAY WE, I
SPEAK OF THE MELANATED PEOPLE, THEY HAD TO BE SAVAGES.
THEY HAD TO BE BARBARIC.
>> THE CANNON'S CLASS EPISODE FEATURED RICHARD GRIFFIN,
AKA, PROFESSOR GRIFF, WHO HAD BEEN KICKED OUT OF PUBLIC ENEMY
BACK IN 1989 FOR ANTI‐SEMITIC COMMENTS.
HE AND NICK RETREAD ANTI‐SEMITIC CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND
QUESTIONED THE BIRTHRIGHT OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
>> THE SEMITIC PEOPLE ARE BLACK PEOPLE.
>> YOU CAN'T BE ANTI‐SEMITIC WHEN WE ARE THE SEMITIC PEOPLE,
WHEN WE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WHO THEY WANT TO BE, THAT'S OUR
BIRTHRIGHT.
>> THAT'S OUR BIRTHRIGHT.
>> THE REACTION WAS SWIFT AND WIDESPREAD.
RABBI ABRAHAM COOPER CONDEMNED
THE COMMENTARY, SAYING, "ANYONE SEEKING A PhD IN JEW HATRED
SHOULD WATCH THIS INTERVIEW." EXPLANATIONS AND LATER APOLOGIES
FELL SHORT. NICK LOST HIS DEAL WITH
VIACOM/CBS AND STEPPED AWAY FROM A DAILY RADIO SHOW.
AN UPCOMING TALK SHOW WAS PUT ON ICE.
THERE ARE REPORTS THAT YOU WERE PRESSURED TO APOLOGIZE IN ORDER
TO KEEP YOUR JOB. ANY TRUTH TO THAT?
>> I CAN ANSWER THIS WHOLEHEARTEDLY. WHO PRESSURED ME?
ULTIMATELY I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT APOLOGIES ARE ‐‐ ARE EMPTY.
>> FOR NICK, HIS ROAD BACK MEANT MORE THAN APOLOGIES.
HE SOUGHT ATONEMENT.
>> IN HEBREW THEY CALL IT, YOU KNOW, TESHUVA, THE PROCESS OF ‐‐
OF NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, REPENTING BUT THROUGH THAT, IF YOU'RE EVER
MET WITH A SIMILAR SITUATION THAT YOU MAKE A DIFFERENT
DECISION. THAT GOES BEYOND APOLOGIZING.
AND I'M ON THIS JOURNEY OF ATONEMENT 'CAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT
THING TO DO.
>> HIS JOURNEY BEGAN WITH THE RABBIS, WELCOMING THEM ON TO HIS
PODCAST TO LEARN FROM THEM. THE FIRST ONE TO COME ON, THE
VERY RABBI WHO DENOUNCED HIM, RABBI COOPER.
>> I DIDN'T KNOW YOU, BUT THE WORLD KNOWS YOU.
>> RIGHT, RIGHT.
>> WHEN I WATCHED THE PIECE AND THERE WAS SOMEONE THERE WHO SAID
I'M NOT EVEN A REAL JEW.
>> RIGHT.
>> THAT GOES RIGHT TO THE HEART.
>> I HURT PEOPLE. I'M GONNA LEAN INTO IT.
I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY I HURT YOU. WHAT DID I SAY?
WHAT ARE THESE TROPES? EDUCATE ME.
>> NICK'S QUEST FOR EDUCATION ISN'T NEW.
LAST YEAR HE FINISHED UNDERGRAD AT HOWARD UNIVERSITY, AND HE'S
NOW PURSUING A MASTERS DEGREE IN DIVINITY.
>> DIVINITY AND THEOLOGY HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN A
PART OF MY LIFE. BUT I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE I SIN
WAY TOO MUCH TO BE A PREACHER, SO.
>> ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT PEOPLE PAID ATTENTION TO WAS YOU
SAYING TO PROFESSOR GRIFF THAT BLACK PEOPLE CAN'T BE
ANTI‐SEMITIC BECAUSE THEY ARE
THE SEMITIC PEOPLE, AND BLACK PEOPLE ARE THE TRUE HEBREWS.
>> THE PURPOSE FIRST WAS TO SAY WE ARE ALL THE SAME PEOPLE.
THAT ‐‐ THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT I WAS SAYING.
I WAS LIKE, HOW CAN YOU HATE WHEN YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU COME
FROM THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING YOU'RE BEING HATEFUL.
>> IS THAT YOUR BELIEF, THAT IT IS THE BIRTHRIGHT OF BLACK
PEOPLE?
>> ONE THING THAT CAN'T BE DEBATED IS THAT WE ALL
ORIGINATE FROM AFRICA.
>> DURING THE PODCAST YOU ACTUALLY WENT BEYOND THE JEWISH
COMMUNITY AND TALKED ABOUT NON‐MELANATED PEOPLE.
>> RIGHT.
>> DO YOU BELIEVE THAT NON‐MELANATED PEOPLE ARE EVIL,
SAVAGE, BARBARIC?
>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.
>> NICK IS THE LATEST IN A LINE OF RECENT BLACK CELEBRITIES
ACCUSED OF MAKING ANTI‐SEMITIC COMMENTS.
TO HIM, THEY'RE NOT ROOTED IN PREJUDICE.
>> IT'S DEFINITELY IGNORANCE. I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S HATRED.
I BELIEVE IT'S FRUSTRATION.
>> THE BLACK AND JEWISH COMMUNITIES, IT'S A COMPLICATED
HISTORY. YOU HAVE REALLY GREAT AND
POWERFUL EXAMPLES OF ALLYSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO COMMUNITIES WHO
HAVE OFTEN FACED SIMILAR FORMS OF OPPRESSION.
UNFORTUNATELY IT'S THE DIFFERENCES AND THE TENSION THAT
HAVE OFTEN BEEN MORE OF THE HIGHLIGHT.
>> JEMELE HILL IS A JOURNALIST WHO ENDED UP FACING SOME
BACKLASH OF HER OWN AFTER A PIECE SHE WROTE IN 2008.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SAID IN THE COLUMN WAS, YOU KNOW,
ROOTING FOR THE CELTICS IS LIKE ROOTING FOR HITLER, OR SOMETHING
ALONG THOSE LINES. AND IMMEDIATELY DREW A COMPLETE
FIRESTORM.
>> JEMELE WAS MORTIFIED AND APOLOGIZED.
>> WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT
STEREOTYPES PLAY INTO A LARGER ISSUE OF GLOBAL RACISM AND SO
THAT'S WHERE IT'S ‐‐ IT'S DANGEROUS.
WE CAN'T BE ARROGANT OR PRESUMPTUOUS IF YOU'RE IN A
MARGINALIZED GROUP. THAT'S WHEN YOU START
DISRESPECTING OTHER PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE SO MUCH MORE IN COMMON
WITH. WE ARE MUCH MORE POWERFUL TOGETHER AGAINST RACISM AND
OPPRESSION AND WHITE SUPREMACY IF WE FIND COMMON GROUND.
>> YOU ARE SITTING IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM WHERE DR KING
USED TO COME AND DO HIS WORK.
>> WOW.
>> WHERE THE LUMINARIES OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT MET AND
DEBATED.
>> IT'S HERE AT THE RELIGIOUS ACTION CENTER THAT NICK CHOSE TO
HOST A PODCAST, TAPING WITH A DIVERSE GROUP OF JEWISH
AMERICANS.
>> I'VE ACTUALLY HEARD A JEWISH PERSON OF COLOR SAY THIS IS,
WHEN I WALK IN THE ROOM, THEY DON'T KNOW I'M JEWISH.
WHEN I WALK IN THE ROOM THEY KNOW I'M BLACK.
>> YOU CAN HAVE ANTI‐SEMITISM AND HAVE HAD SUFFERED.
MY GRANDMA FANNIE SURVIVED THE POGROMS OF EUROPE.
BELIEVE ME, I KNOW THE VIOLENCE. WE HAVE THE TREE OF LIFE
SHOOTING. ALL OF THAT IS REAL. AND WE HAVE TO CONFRONT THE
DEEP‐ROOTED, SYSTEMIC RACISM THAT IS PARTICULARLY POINTED
TOWARDS BLACK AND BROWN AMERICANS.
>> INDEED.
>> AND HAS BEEN EMBEDDED IN THIS CULTURE AND SOCIETY FOR THE
PAST 400 YEARS.
>> RIGHT.
>> I THINK THE WAY WE LIKE TO THINK ABOUT THIS WHOLE CALL‐OUT
CULTURE IS MORE ABOUT CALLING IN.
>> IT'S NOT ABOUT CANCEL CULTURE, IT'S ABOUT COUNSEL
CULTURE.
>> VIACOM HAS ACKNOWLEDGED NICK'S EFFORTS.
THEY ARE NOW BACK IN BUSINESS TOGETHER.
NAK NICK HAS RETURNED TO RADIO. AND HE IS LAUNCHING A DAYTIME
TALK SHOW WITH FOX. NICK MAY HAVE BEGUN THE PROCESS,
BUT RECONCILIATION RARELY COMES QUICKLY.
>> MY JOURNEY'S NOT GONNA STOP, WHETHER THE PERSON WATCHING THIS
FORGIVES ME OR NOT. I'M STILL GONNA HOPEFULLY,
THROUGH THIS PROCESS, BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY AND BRING
PEOPLE CLOSER TOGETHER.
>>> COMING UP, ANTHONY HAMILTON TAKES THE STAGE FOR AN
INSPIRATIONAL PERFORMANCE.
♪♪
♪ I HOLD OUT MY HAND
TO LEAD YOU THE WAY
YOU'VE ALL BEEN JOURNEYED TO A SPECIAL PLACE ♪
♪ MYSELF I GAVE
THE PRICE THAT I PAID WITH NO REGRETS
I WALK BACK BABE ♪
♪ STILL IN LOVE
STILL IN LOVE
STILL IN LOVE ♪
♪ WE WALK A ROAD
THE ROAD LESS TRAVELED
MY SON I GAVE YOU TO WIN YOUR BATTLES ♪
♪ AND OUR HEARTS WERE BLENDED
THE DAY THAT THE BLOOD WAS SHED THAT DAY ON CALVARY
WHEN THE ANGELS SANG ♪
♪ HE STILL HAS LOVE
HE STILL HAS LOVE
HE STILL HAS LOVE ♪
♪ STILL STILL
STILL ♪
♪ WE WALK A ROAD THE ROAD LESS
TRAVELED ♪
♪ MY SON I GAVE YOU TO WIN YOUR
BATTLES ♪
♪ AND OUR HEARTS THE DAY THAT
THE BLOOD WAS SHED ♪
♪ THAT SPECIAL DAY ON CALVARY
WHEN THE ANGELS SANG ♪
♪ STILL HAS LOVE ♪
♪ OH HE STILL HAS LOVE ♪
♪ OH, HE STILL HAS LOVE ♪
♪ OH STILL ♪
♪ STILL ♪
♪ OH OH STILL ♪
♪♪
>> GOOD NIGHT AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
NEXT WEEK, "SOUL OF A NATION" STEPS INTO BLACK JOY.
I'M BEBE WINANS. GOOD NIGHT.