1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:13,013 --> 00:00:16,099 [crowd cheering] 4 00:00:16,182 --> 00:00:19,060 [bright, dramatic music playing] 5 00:00:27,152 --> 00:00:28,945 [man 1] Growing up in Ohio, 6 00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:30,947 everyone wants to be a Buckeye. 7 00:00:32,032 --> 00:00:35,118 Ohio State is an identity of winning, 8 00:00:36,453 --> 00:00:38,121 and that's what we're about. 9 00:00:39,956 --> 00:00:41,499 [man 2] The impact of Ohio State's 10 00:00:41,624 --> 00:00:42,792 athletic department 11 00:00:42,876 --> 00:00:44,794 cannot be exaggerated. 12 00:00:46,796 --> 00:00:48,840 It's such a point of pride. 13 00:00:48,965 --> 00:00:50,300 -O-H. -I-O! 14 00:00:50,383 --> 00:00:52,010 -O-H! -[crowd] I-O! 15 00:00:52,135 --> 00:00:53,970 -O-H! -[crowd] I-O! 16 00:00:56,639 --> 00:00:58,433 [man 2] It was and still is 17 00:00:58,516 --> 00:01:00,852 one of the best equipped, most well-funded, 18 00:01:00,977 --> 00:01:03,563 most lavish athletic departments in the country. 19 00:01:03,646 --> 00:01:06,483 It's the gold standard for college sports. 20 00:01:09,444 --> 00:01:11,696 If you're a Buckeye athlete at Ohio State, 21 00:01:11,821 --> 00:01:13,448 you are a superhero. 22 00:01:14,115 --> 00:01:16,326 [man 1] I was so proud to be a Buckeye. 23 00:01:16,409 --> 00:01:18,328 It was a big, big deal. 24 00:01:19,788 --> 00:01:22,373 [man 3] We were like, "We are Ohio State athletes here." 25 00:01:22,499 --> 00:01:24,834 That was what it was all about. 26 00:01:24,918 --> 00:01:26,795 We bled OSU. 27 00:01:29,464 --> 00:01:31,466 [man 4] The Buckeyes are a religion. 28 00:01:32,175 --> 00:01:36,012 We believed in The Ohio State University. 29 00:01:38,306 --> 00:01:40,600 We believed in the scarlet and gray... 30 00:01:42,102 --> 00:01:43,686 [music fades] 31 00:01:43,812 --> 00:01:45,855 ...until we learned the truth. 32 00:01:47,273 --> 00:01:50,193 [dark, eerie music playing] 33 00:01:58,785 --> 00:02:00,537 [static] 34 00:02:09,921 --> 00:02:13,133 [dark, grim music continues] 35 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,773 Sexual misconduct allegations, 40 years in the making 36 00:02:28,898 --> 00:02:30,400 at The Ohio State University. 37 00:02:30,483 --> 00:02:32,443 [female anchor] Ohio State is investigating 38 00:02:32,569 --> 00:02:35,321 a former trainer for the Buckeye wrestling team. 39 00:02:35,405 --> 00:02:37,949 The trainer, Dr. Richard Strauss. 40 00:02:38,074 --> 00:02:39,742 Tonight, only on 4, 41 00:02:39,826 --> 00:02:42,203 the victim who says he's one who sparked 42 00:02:42,287 --> 00:02:43,830 the investigation 43 00:02:43,913 --> 00:02:45,832 and is opening up about those allegations. 44 00:02:45,915 --> 00:02:49,878 When I started reporting on the initial story in 2018, 45 00:02:49,961 --> 00:02:51,921 it focused on one man, 46 00:02:52,046 --> 00:02:54,591 a wrestler at The Ohio State University, 47 00:02:54,716 --> 00:02:57,844 who alleged he'd been abused by a team doctor. 48 00:02:58,469 --> 00:03:01,598 My initial reaction was, "Can that be true? 49 00:03:01,681 --> 00:03:03,266 I wonder if that's true." 50 00:03:03,349 --> 00:03:06,352 But what he was saying was so incendiary, 51 00:03:06,436 --> 00:03:08,479 that a university doctor 52 00:03:08,605 --> 00:03:10,565 had sexually molested not just him 53 00:03:10,648 --> 00:03:12,609 but other athletes as well, 54 00:03:12,692 --> 00:03:15,695 and this had gone on for decades. 55 00:03:15,778 --> 00:03:18,406 And, sure enough, others started coming forward. 56 00:03:18,489 --> 00:03:20,617 Another former Ohio State student has... 57 00:03:20,742 --> 00:03:23,870 Two more former Buckeye wrestlers have come forward... 58 00:03:23,953 --> 00:03:25,455 More victims coming forward 59 00:03:25,538 --> 00:03:27,290 with allegations against a... 60 00:03:27,373 --> 00:03:30,084 And that just opened the floodgates for me. 61 00:03:33,338 --> 00:03:35,548 [Kendrick] New details tonight about the alleged 62 00:03:35,632 --> 00:03:37,091 sexual misconduct involving 63 00:03:37,175 --> 00:03:39,886 an OSU wrestling team doctor. 64 00:03:39,969 --> 00:03:42,347 [Marshall] Who was this accused doctor? 65 00:03:42,472 --> 00:03:45,099 I had trouble finding any information about him. 66 00:03:45,183 --> 00:03:47,644 It's very difficult to find a photograph 67 00:03:47,769 --> 00:03:49,771 of this Dr. Richard Strauss. 68 00:03:49,854 --> 00:03:52,065 The university itself doesn't have a lot 69 00:03:52,148 --> 00:03:54,400 of photographic evidence of this man. 70 00:03:54,484 --> 00:03:56,110 He's like an enigma. 71 00:03:56,903 --> 00:03:59,072 It's weird. 72 00:03:59,155 --> 00:04:02,075 It almost felt like it was by design. 73 00:04:03,576 --> 00:04:06,371 And that made this all the more troubling. 74 00:04:08,998 --> 00:04:12,418 You know, we've always been proudly a Buckeye family. 75 00:04:12,502 --> 00:04:14,504 When I dropped my son off at a dorm 76 00:04:14,587 --> 00:04:16,297 at The Ohio State University 77 00:04:16,381 --> 00:04:18,216 when he was 18 years old, 78 00:04:18,341 --> 00:04:20,677 my first one to leave the nest, 79 00:04:20,802 --> 00:04:23,179 I cried after I left the dorm, 80 00:04:23,304 --> 00:04:25,974 but I thought, "Well, at least he's in good hands. 81 00:04:26,891 --> 00:04:29,269 He's at The Ohio State University." 82 00:04:30,186 --> 00:04:33,773 All of these men were dropped off at Ohio State. 83 00:04:34,691 --> 00:04:37,527 I want to know why this happened to them, 84 00:04:37,610 --> 00:04:39,112 how a sexual predator 85 00:04:39,195 --> 00:04:41,030 could've been allowed to be on campus 86 00:04:41,114 --> 00:04:42,865 for 20 years. 87 00:04:42,991 --> 00:04:44,659 How did it happen? 88 00:04:45,201 --> 00:04:47,662 [light music playing] 89 00:04:56,129 --> 00:04:57,255 [inhales] 90 00:04:59,549 --> 00:05:00,591 [exhales] 91 00:05:04,304 --> 00:05:06,472 [man] When the Ohio State scandal broke, 92 00:05:06,556 --> 00:05:08,141 my first thought was, 93 00:05:08,224 --> 00:05:10,643 "I don't know if I want to go into this. 94 00:05:10,727 --> 00:05:13,104 You know, this is... this is going down a rabbit hole 95 00:05:13,229 --> 00:05:14,731 I'm not prepared for right now." 96 00:05:14,814 --> 00:05:16,107 [grunts] 97 00:05:19,402 --> 00:05:21,029 And so I left it alone. 98 00:05:24,657 --> 00:05:26,659 I'm a public school teacher, 99 00:05:27,618 --> 00:05:29,495 and one day, 100 00:05:29,579 --> 00:05:33,333 I'm-I'm sitting in-in, uh, in our teachers' lounge, 101 00:05:33,416 --> 00:05:35,626 and some of the other guys are talking about it. 102 00:05:37,295 --> 00:05:41,758 And one of the male teachers, an older guy, 103 00:05:41,883 --> 00:05:45,470 he said, "Well, I can't believe that. Man, if... 104 00:05:45,595 --> 00:05:48,556 You know, if I was there, if this happened to me, 105 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:50,558 I'd kick that guy's ass." 106 00:05:51,434 --> 00:05:52,852 And I'm thinking, "Man, 107 00:05:52,935 --> 00:05:55,396 you have no idea what you're talking about." 108 00:05:56,439 --> 00:05:58,316 And the next thought was, 109 00:05:58,441 --> 00:06:00,902 "I'm gonna have to talk about this. 110 00:06:01,444 --> 00:06:03,529 Oh, shit. Here we go." 111 00:06:04,947 --> 00:06:07,200 [mellow music playing] 112 00:06:07,283 --> 00:06:09,202 [applause] 113 00:06:09,285 --> 00:06:11,829 [announcer] For the Buckeyes, it's gonna be Dan Ritchie. 114 00:06:12,538 --> 00:06:14,374 -Get up! -Up, up! 115 00:06:14,457 --> 00:06:16,542 Stay on the leg! Don't come across the back! 116 00:06:16,626 --> 00:06:18,336 [Ritchie] Initially, I got into wrestling 117 00:06:18,461 --> 00:06:20,046 because my dad thought, 118 00:06:20,129 --> 00:06:21,547 "This is a great sport for him. 119 00:06:21,631 --> 00:06:23,216 You know, he can get stronger 120 00:06:23,299 --> 00:06:24,759 and get in shape." 121 00:06:25,343 --> 00:06:28,096 At the time, I was kind of a scrawny kid. 122 00:06:29,138 --> 00:06:31,766 But there was something about wrestling, 123 00:06:31,849 --> 00:06:33,101 and... 124 00:06:34,310 --> 00:06:35,561 I just grew with it. 125 00:06:37,230 --> 00:06:38,898 It became part of me. 126 00:06:40,066 --> 00:06:41,484 It was pretty amazing. 127 00:06:43,194 --> 00:06:46,572 I liked being out there by myself, relying on myself. 128 00:06:46,656 --> 00:06:49,117 I know if I put the hard work in 129 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,994 and I win, it's because I did the work. 130 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:53,704 And I did the work. 131 00:06:54,747 --> 00:06:56,165 And I won. 132 00:06:57,166 --> 00:06:58,626 My high school coach, 133 00:06:58,709 --> 00:07:00,086 at the beginning of the season, 134 00:07:00,169 --> 00:07:02,296 he showed me the rankings and said, 135 00:07:02,380 --> 00:07:04,966 you know, "You're ranked number one in the state." 136 00:07:05,049 --> 00:07:07,260 I'm like, "What?" I was like... 137 00:07:08,010 --> 00:07:09,971 You know, and for me, that was amazing. 138 00:07:10,054 --> 00:07:11,889 [announcer] Ritchie, despite coming 139 00:07:12,014 --> 00:07:13,516 from a downstate school, 140 00:07:13,599 --> 00:07:15,977 a lot of people doubted his ability 141 00:07:16,060 --> 00:07:18,938 for that reason, but he's been dominant all year. 142 00:07:19,397 --> 00:07:22,650 The entire season, went undefeated, 143 00:07:22,733 --> 00:07:24,444 and I won the state tournament. 144 00:07:25,278 --> 00:07:28,156 [announcer] And the 1988 state champion 145 00:07:28,239 --> 00:07:30,366 at 167 in AA, 146 00:07:30,450 --> 00:07:32,285 Dan Ritchie. 147 00:07:32,368 --> 00:07:35,246 [crowd cheering] 148 00:07:35,371 --> 00:07:36,706 [announcer 2] Dan Ritchie... 149 00:07:39,208 --> 00:07:41,377 [Ritchie] And that is what got me 150 00:07:41,461 --> 00:07:43,796 my scholarship to Ohio State. 151 00:07:46,549 --> 00:07:48,801 When I got there, it was 1988. 152 00:07:50,052 --> 00:07:53,347 My hometown, the population was 32,000 people. 153 00:07:53,431 --> 00:07:57,852 The population of Ohio State itself was 50,000. 154 00:07:57,935 --> 00:07:59,937 So it was overwhelming, 155 00:08:00,062 --> 00:08:02,815 but I figured, if I have wrestling, 156 00:08:02,899 --> 00:08:05,735 I have a group of guys that I can hang out with. 157 00:08:07,778 --> 00:08:09,489 And I met my roommate, Mike Schyck, 158 00:08:09,572 --> 00:08:10,948 another wrestler, 159 00:08:12,241 --> 00:08:13,951 and we hit it off immediately. 160 00:08:15,077 --> 00:08:16,913 [Schyck] The first time I ever met Dan, 161 00:08:16,996 --> 00:08:19,582 you know, he's got the Vanilla Ice, like, 162 00:08:20,082 --> 00:08:21,709 shavings in his head. 163 00:08:22,752 --> 00:08:25,546 I'm like, "This is my... my roommate? Oh, no." 164 00:08:27,089 --> 00:08:30,051 But, you know, soon enough, we became best friends. 165 00:08:31,761 --> 00:08:34,805 We both loved wrestling, more than loved wrestling. 166 00:08:36,140 --> 00:08:38,184 Wrestling was everything for me 167 00:08:39,435 --> 00:08:41,020 and had been since I was a kid. 168 00:08:41,103 --> 00:08:43,523 -[children shouting] -[child] Come on, Mike! 169 00:08:46,275 --> 00:08:48,402 [Schyck] Growing up, I was kind of scrappy. 170 00:08:48,486 --> 00:08:50,196 Well, if we keep working together, 171 00:08:50,279 --> 00:08:51,614 we can make it to state. 172 00:08:52,156 --> 00:08:54,992 My eighth-grade year, I ended up beating a senior. 173 00:08:55,117 --> 00:08:56,619 I made it to state. 174 00:08:57,537 --> 00:08:59,747 I was the first person that was an eighth-grader 175 00:08:59,830 --> 00:09:01,249 that made it to state. 176 00:09:02,375 --> 00:09:04,043 I was in the state finals my freshman year, 177 00:09:04,126 --> 00:09:05,545 took second. 178 00:09:06,796 --> 00:09:08,589 My sophomore year, took third. 179 00:09:08,673 --> 00:09:10,216 [announcer] Mike Schyck. 180 00:09:10,299 --> 00:09:12,134 [Schyck] And I won it my next two years. 181 00:09:12,260 --> 00:09:14,637 [announcer] At 152 pounds, our champion, 182 00:09:14,762 --> 00:09:16,013 Mike Schyck. 183 00:09:18,808 --> 00:09:21,561 I got a lot of schools that were sending me letters 184 00:09:21,644 --> 00:09:23,187 and recruiting stuff all the time. 185 00:09:24,146 --> 00:09:26,440 I even got personal notes from the head wrestling coach 186 00:09:26,524 --> 00:09:28,526 at Ohio State, Russ Hellickson. 187 00:09:29,402 --> 00:09:31,529 Russ Hellickson was a two-time Olympian, 188 00:09:32,363 --> 00:09:35,575 and he was one of the best coaches in the country. 189 00:09:35,658 --> 00:09:37,868 Fellas, I sit over there in the corner 190 00:09:37,994 --> 00:09:39,537 as a wrestling coach. 191 00:09:39,662 --> 00:09:42,164 I don't see enough fight. 192 00:09:42,290 --> 00:09:45,293 [Schyck] Russ was just starting as a new coach at Ohio State, 193 00:09:45,376 --> 00:09:47,378 and he promised to make winners. 194 00:09:47,503 --> 00:09:49,839 That's what I wanted. I didn't want excuses. 195 00:09:49,922 --> 00:09:51,966 Fellas, you know, if-if nothing else, 196 00:09:52,049 --> 00:09:54,051 by the time you get back, you will be in the best shape 197 00:09:54,176 --> 00:09:55,386 of anybody on this planet. 198 00:09:56,220 --> 00:09:58,514 [Schyck] And Hellickson came with his assistant, 199 00:09:58,639 --> 00:09:59,765 Jim Jordan, 200 00:09:59,849 --> 00:10:01,434 and Jordan was a legend. 201 00:10:01,517 --> 00:10:04,353 I watched him win his first NCAA title, 202 00:10:04,437 --> 00:10:06,355 and then this guy wins a second national title 203 00:10:06,439 --> 00:10:07,523 the following year. 204 00:10:07,607 --> 00:10:09,609 I mean, it was unbelievable. 205 00:10:10,109 --> 00:10:11,986 I didn't choose Ohio State because of Ohio State. 206 00:10:12,069 --> 00:10:13,779 I chose Ohio State because of Russ Hellickson 207 00:10:13,863 --> 00:10:15,114 and Jim Jordan 208 00:10:15,615 --> 00:10:17,783 and the program they were developing. 209 00:10:17,867 --> 00:10:20,036 They were gonna go all the way. 210 00:10:20,119 --> 00:10:21,746 I'm like, "I want to do that." 211 00:10:27,084 --> 00:10:28,878 That Ohio State team, 212 00:10:28,961 --> 00:10:30,921 it was gonna give me a chance to live my dream 213 00:10:31,047 --> 00:10:33,883 of not only becoming a national champion, 214 00:10:34,008 --> 00:10:36,135 but I had big dreams. 215 00:10:36,218 --> 00:10:38,512 I was gonna be an Olympic champion. 216 00:10:40,056 --> 00:10:42,058 Russ Hellickson, Olympian, 217 00:10:42,183 --> 00:10:44,560 he could've helped that dream come true. 218 00:10:44,644 --> 00:10:46,812 [light music playing] 219 00:10:46,896 --> 00:10:49,565 And everybody knew who Jim Jordan was. 220 00:10:50,316 --> 00:10:52,026 This guy was an animal. 221 00:10:54,236 --> 00:10:55,613 Very religious, 222 00:10:56,072 --> 00:10:57,531 honest. 223 00:10:58,157 --> 00:10:59,784 He was the good guy. 224 00:11:00,618 --> 00:11:02,703 And at the same time, he could whup some ass. 225 00:11:03,329 --> 00:11:05,331 Just the perfect... perfect man. 226 00:11:08,459 --> 00:11:10,795 After a pretty tight match, Jim came up to me, was like, 227 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,922 "Man, that was... that was like a great match. 228 00:11:13,047 --> 00:11:15,049 You know, I think we're gonna let you on the team." 229 00:11:15,633 --> 00:11:18,427 And I was excited to be on the team. Really excited. 230 00:11:19,095 --> 00:11:21,931 I saw such potential at Ohio State. 231 00:11:22,431 --> 00:11:23,933 [Ritchie] You're looking around, 232 00:11:24,058 --> 00:11:26,268 your first thought is, "National champions." 233 00:11:26,352 --> 00:11:27,395 Let's do this. 234 00:11:31,107 --> 00:11:33,943 [Schyck] So, leading into the beginning of the school year, 235 00:11:34,026 --> 00:11:36,112 we had to get our physicals. 236 00:11:36,195 --> 00:11:37,947 I've had to do physicals in high school 237 00:11:38,030 --> 00:11:39,657 with your family practitioner 238 00:11:39,782 --> 00:11:42,201 doing minimal stuff, and you're in and out. 239 00:11:42,284 --> 00:11:43,411 This was a different thing. 240 00:11:44,995 --> 00:11:47,164 [man] They had mass physicals 241 00:11:47,289 --> 00:11:49,250 where there was different stations, 242 00:11:49,333 --> 00:11:51,585 and you would go to one station 243 00:11:51,669 --> 00:11:53,504 and they would fit you for a mouthpiece. 244 00:11:54,004 --> 00:11:55,423 You'd go to another station, 245 00:11:55,506 --> 00:11:57,299 they'd take your blood pressure, 246 00:11:57,425 --> 00:11:59,593 go to another station, they'd check your reflexes. 247 00:11:59,677 --> 00:12:01,595 [indistinct chatter] 248 00:12:03,013 --> 00:12:05,683 [Schyck] Finally, we made our way to a line 249 00:12:05,808 --> 00:12:07,977 that was right in front of a door. 250 00:12:10,146 --> 00:12:12,565 That line, it was kind of backed up. 251 00:12:12,648 --> 00:12:14,817 And some of the upperclassmen were commenting, 252 00:12:14,900 --> 00:12:16,777 "Hey, this is gonna take you a while." 253 00:12:17,486 --> 00:12:18,696 [Schyck] They were saying, 254 00:12:18,821 --> 00:12:20,656 "Oh, Doc's gonna like you." 255 00:12:20,740 --> 00:12:22,908 And they just kinda chuckled and laughed a little bit, 256 00:12:22,992 --> 00:12:25,119 and I had no idea what they meant. 257 00:12:26,078 --> 00:12:27,371 Next thing you know, it's my turn. 258 00:12:28,748 --> 00:12:30,499 You walk into a room, 259 00:12:30,583 --> 00:12:32,752 and Doc's across the room. 260 00:12:32,835 --> 00:12:35,504 [bright music distorts, fades] 261 00:12:36,672 --> 00:12:38,883 He had frosty white hair, 262 00:12:39,008 --> 00:12:41,635 and he just made you feel at ease 263 00:12:41,719 --> 00:12:43,721 because he was a nice guy. 264 00:12:44,263 --> 00:12:46,557 [gentle music playing] 265 00:12:46,682 --> 00:12:48,476 Doc Strauss was presented to us 266 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,562 as the esteemed Doctor 267 00:12:51,687 --> 00:12:54,231 of Sports Medicine at Ohio State. 268 00:12:55,107 --> 00:12:57,193 Dr. Richard Strauss is an internal medicine 269 00:12:57,318 --> 00:12:58,736 and sports medicine specialist 270 00:12:58,861 --> 00:13:00,446 at Ohio State University. 271 00:13:00,529 --> 00:13:02,281 He is also editor of the medical journal, 272 00:13:02,364 --> 00:13:04,408 Physician and Sports Medicine. 273 00:13:05,451 --> 00:13:07,578 [DiSabato] He was Dr. Richard Strauss 274 00:13:07,703 --> 00:13:09,872 from The Ohio State University, 275 00:13:09,955 --> 00:13:12,792 and he had the badge on his left chest to prove it. 276 00:13:15,211 --> 00:13:17,338 He did the entire body check. 277 00:13:17,421 --> 00:13:18,923 Checked our skin. 278 00:13:19,048 --> 00:13:20,674 Because with wrestling, skin issues 279 00:13:20,758 --> 00:13:22,384 might keep you off the wrestling mat 280 00:13:22,510 --> 00:13:24,261 because they're contagious. 281 00:13:24,386 --> 00:13:27,306 He checked under our arms, checked our vitals. 282 00:13:27,389 --> 00:13:29,892 And then he tells me to turn the lights off. 283 00:13:30,726 --> 00:13:31,894 [light clicks] 284 00:13:31,977 --> 00:13:33,896 And he got down on a stool 285 00:13:34,605 --> 00:13:37,775 and tapped the side of your legs and say, 286 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:39,193 "All right, drop 'em." 287 00:13:39,276 --> 00:13:41,111 [Schyck] And it's dark. 288 00:13:41,237 --> 00:13:42,696 Can't even see anything, you know? 289 00:13:42,780 --> 00:13:44,281 And I'm looking over at him, 290 00:13:44,406 --> 00:13:46,283 and he's got, uh, um, a light pen. 291 00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:50,538 And I'm standing there, you know, looking down on a man 292 00:13:50,621 --> 00:13:52,790 who has a flashlight in his mouth 293 00:13:52,915 --> 00:13:55,584 at my groin level, and I'm seeing the top of his head. 294 00:13:55,668 --> 00:13:57,628 It-It's just really weird. 295 00:13:58,337 --> 00:13:59,505 And... 296 00:14:00,089 --> 00:14:02,800 from that point, he would grab-- 297 00:14:02,925 --> 00:14:04,176 grab your penis, 298 00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:05,803 and he's moving it around, 299 00:14:05,928 --> 00:14:07,012 moving it around. 300 00:14:07,638 --> 00:14:09,181 I was speechless. 301 00:14:09,265 --> 00:14:11,600 The entire time, you're just sitting there 302 00:14:11,684 --> 00:14:13,018 trying to... 303 00:14:13,811 --> 00:14:16,897 talk yourself out of getting an erection. I'm not gonna lie. 304 00:14:16,981 --> 00:14:18,732 Like, that is the one thing you're just-- 305 00:14:18,816 --> 00:14:20,442 Like, I am not-- Like... 306 00:14:20,526 --> 00:14:22,486 Now you're questioning your sexuality or something. 307 00:14:22,611 --> 00:14:24,280 You're like, "What is--" 308 00:14:24,363 --> 00:14:26,282 And he would catch you right before you say something. 309 00:14:26,407 --> 00:14:27,658 He said, "I'm just being thorough." 310 00:14:30,786 --> 00:14:33,038 And when you come out, 311 00:14:33,122 --> 00:14:35,374 we all kind of make this... 312 00:14:35,457 --> 00:14:38,002 You know, we kinda joke because we didn't know 313 00:14:38,127 --> 00:14:39,503 what we were going through. 314 00:14:39,628 --> 00:14:40,713 [door creaking] 315 00:14:40,796 --> 00:14:41,922 And I'm sure I had 316 00:14:42,006 --> 00:14:43,299 the same look coming out, like, 317 00:14:43,424 --> 00:14:46,218 "What-- What was that? I don't get it." 318 00:14:46,302 --> 00:14:48,429 And everyone's making fun of you. 319 00:14:50,055 --> 00:14:53,100 It didn't feel right, but I just, uh, accepted it. 320 00:14:55,060 --> 00:14:57,146 And it's not something we're gonna sit around 321 00:14:57,229 --> 00:15:00,316 and have a-a bunch of conversations about. 322 00:15:00,858 --> 00:15:04,278 Now run a mile. Run as hard as you can. Remember your time. 323 00:15:04,361 --> 00:15:06,739 [Schyck] And the coaches acted like everything was normal. 324 00:15:07,323 --> 00:15:08,699 They didn't make anything of it. 325 00:15:08,824 --> 00:15:10,242 Their focus was on training. 326 00:15:11,035 --> 00:15:12,328 [Hellickson] Ready, go. 327 00:15:13,621 --> 00:15:15,748 [Schyck] I came from a conservative family. 328 00:15:15,831 --> 00:15:17,499 You know, do what you're told. 329 00:15:17,625 --> 00:15:18,876 Do this. Okay. 330 00:15:19,001 --> 00:15:20,544 Coach tells you to do this. Okay. 331 00:15:20,669 --> 00:15:22,838 Coach tells you to go here. Go, "Okay." 332 00:15:22,963 --> 00:15:25,090 I didn't know what that was. 333 00:15:25,174 --> 00:15:26,508 But we are here to wrestle. 334 00:15:26,634 --> 00:15:29,136 -[chanting] O-H! -[chanting] I-O! 335 00:15:29,219 --> 00:15:31,972 [Schyck] And as we progressed through the wrestling season, 336 00:15:32,056 --> 00:15:35,017 Russ and Jimmy beat the living tar out of us. 337 00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:38,145 Three things will be the key to success. 338 00:15:38,228 --> 00:15:41,023 We're gonna concentrate today on self. 339 00:15:42,066 --> 00:15:44,068 They brought me from an average wrestler 340 00:15:44,193 --> 00:15:46,028 to a really good wrestler. 341 00:15:46,695 --> 00:15:49,031 -I was having a great career. -[whistle blows] 342 00:15:49,114 --> 00:15:50,908 I was winning everything. 343 00:15:51,033 --> 00:15:52,618 [crowd cheering] 344 00:15:52,701 --> 00:15:54,620 [announcer] There's a beautiful roll and a Granby 345 00:15:54,703 --> 00:15:56,789 by Schyck. He saved the position. 346 00:15:56,872 --> 00:15:58,415 Now he's gonna try to get the takedown. 347 00:15:58,540 --> 00:16:00,459 -He got it. -He does! He wins! 348 00:16:00,542 --> 00:16:03,379 [Schyck] And most of my other teammates were awesome. 349 00:16:03,462 --> 00:16:04,713 [announcer] And there it is. 350 00:16:04,797 --> 00:16:06,006 The junior from Ohio State 351 00:16:06,090 --> 00:16:07,591 is the champion. 352 00:16:07,716 --> 00:16:09,551 [Coleman] Did Dr. Strauss make me angry? 353 00:16:09,635 --> 00:16:12,179 Yes. But I was under the impression 354 00:16:12,262 --> 00:16:15,015 that anger helped me do better 355 00:16:15,099 --> 00:16:17,226 and get things accomplished. 356 00:16:17,309 --> 00:16:19,728 I felt like the anger was just needed. 357 00:16:20,479 --> 00:16:23,357 [Ritchie] Like others, when I stepped onto the mat, 358 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,235 I was there. I was there. 359 00:16:26,318 --> 00:16:27,528 [whistle blows] 360 00:16:27,611 --> 00:16:29,446 Worries about grades, 361 00:16:29,571 --> 00:16:31,323 worries about girls, 362 00:16:31,407 --> 00:16:32,908 worries about Dr. Strauss, 363 00:16:32,992 --> 00:16:36,453 or worries about anything went away. 364 00:16:36,996 --> 00:16:38,247 [announcer] Ritchie, 365 00:16:38,372 --> 00:16:40,416 21-9-2. 366 00:16:40,541 --> 00:16:43,127 Quite a record for a freshman. 367 00:16:43,252 --> 00:16:45,295 [Ritchie] I was able to compartmentalize it, 368 00:16:45,421 --> 00:16:48,507 put it in a place where I didn't have to think about it. 369 00:16:49,341 --> 00:16:53,137 And that worked for a while. 370 00:16:53,846 --> 00:16:55,723 But it just got worse. 371 00:16:57,349 --> 00:16:59,351 Dr. Strauss was our team doctor, 372 00:16:59,435 --> 00:17:02,229 and that's what we had. I mean, if we had an illness, 373 00:17:02,312 --> 00:17:03,772 he's the one we went to. 374 00:17:03,856 --> 00:17:06,358 If we needed medication for something, 375 00:17:06,442 --> 00:17:07,860 he's the one that we went to. 376 00:17:07,943 --> 00:17:09,069 If we had an injury, 377 00:17:09,153 --> 00:17:10,612 he's the one that we went to. 378 00:17:10,696 --> 00:17:11,905 And each and every time, 379 00:17:11,989 --> 00:17:14,033 it was a full body check 380 00:17:14,116 --> 00:17:15,868 that resulted in 381 00:17:15,951 --> 00:17:18,871 a genital check, without fail. 382 00:17:18,954 --> 00:17:21,915 -[wheels rattling] -[dark, eerie music playing] 383 00:17:21,999 --> 00:17:25,753 And the man never wore gloves. 384 00:17:26,962 --> 00:17:28,964 It was always skin on skin. 385 00:17:29,465 --> 00:17:33,093 With one hand, he would, like, grab your testicles, 386 00:17:33,177 --> 00:17:36,221 and the best way to describe it is like those, um, 387 00:17:36,305 --> 00:17:38,932 Chinese balls that you twist for stress, 388 00:17:39,016 --> 00:17:41,727 and he's asking me how I'm doing on campus 389 00:17:41,810 --> 00:17:43,479 at the same time, you know. 390 00:17:44,563 --> 00:17:48,442 If I have a girlfriend. Um, if I'm sexually active. 391 00:17:49,234 --> 00:17:51,820 And it wasn't just he would be like this. 392 00:17:51,904 --> 00:17:54,698 His face would be in, 393 00:17:54,823 --> 00:17:56,408 where you could feel his breath 394 00:17:57,534 --> 00:17:59,161 on your dick. 395 00:17:59,244 --> 00:18:01,205 [dark, eerie music continues] 396 00:18:01,330 --> 00:18:03,749 [Schyck] I felt like there was something wrong, 397 00:18:03,832 --> 00:18:05,667 but I was a naive kid going into college. 398 00:18:05,751 --> 00:18:08,337 And wrestling in college is not easy. 399 00:18:08,921 --> 00:18:12,341 We're taught to deal with the hard stuff. 400 00:18:13,008 --> 00:18:15,844 And so I-- I mean, I never complained. 401 00:18:16,428 --> 00:18:19,139 But, I mean, I was always in there. 402 00:18:19,223 --> 00:18:21,391 My-my-my file, by the time I was done, 403 00:18:21,517 --> 00:18:24,353 was a couple of inches thick. Hundreds of times, easily. 404 00:18:24,436 --> 00:18:26,980 I mean, every time I wrestled, I was injured. 405 00:18:28,023 --> 00:18:30,067 Wrestling is a brutal sport. 406 00:18:30,192 --> 00:18:32,361 -[indistinct shouting] -[whistle blows] 407 00:18:32,444 --> 00:18:35,155 It's basically a street fight with rules. 408 00:18:35,239 --> 00:18:37,574 -[indistinct shouting] -[whistle blows] 409 00:18:37,699 --> 00:18:39,368 You get bruised and banged up a lot. 410 00:18:39,451 --> 00:18:41,662 [indistinct shouting] 411 00:18:41,745 --> 00:18:42,871 [whistle blows] 412 00:18:43,372 --> 00:18:45,707 I-I remember I had a high ankle sprain, 413 00:18:45,833 --> 00:18:50,337 and Doc Strauss would hold up the X-rays and look at 'em, 414 00:18:50,420 --> 00:18:52,589 and then after that, he would ask me to stand up, 415 00:18:52,714 --> 00:18:53,674 disrobe. 416 00:18:53,757 --> 00:18:55,467 [eerie music playing] 417 00:18:55,551 --> 00:18:57,052 He would grab the stool, 418 00:18:57,136 --> 00:18:58,595 go up to me, 419 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,305 and perform the same genital exam, 420 00:19:00,389 --> 00:19:03,267 telling me, "We gotta make sure you're healing right," 421 00:19:03,392 --> 00:19:04,935 and, you know, uh, 422 00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:06,979 "that your lymph nodes are not enlarged." 423 00:19:07,062 --> 00:19:09,106 He always said, "It's like you have a thoroughbred horse. 424 00:19:09,231 --> 00:19:11,525 We gotta keep you running, and the only way I can do that 425 00:19:11,608 --> 00:19:13,110 is to do these thorough exams." 426 00:19:14,236 --> 00:19:17,447 [Schyck] But I've never looked at myself like a victim. 427 00:19:17,573 --> 00:19:20,492 I mean, I come from the athlete's mentality where, 428 00:19:20,576 --> 00:19:23,537 if it's bad, you problem-solve and you fix it. 429 00:19:23,620 --> 00:19:26,331 And the way I think we kind of fixed it 430 00:19:26,415 --> 00:19:29,042 as athletes, you kinda made light of it, 431 00:19:29,126 --> 00:19:33,338 and it was out in the open like that, making light of it. 432 00:19:33,422 --> 00:19:35,465 [Ratliff] Guys would joke all the time, like, 433 00:19:35,591 --> 00:19:37,593 "Hey, I need to go see the doc," 434 00:19:37,676 --> 00:19:39,011 and if there was a group of us, 435 00:19:39,094 --> 00:19:40,762 they'd say, "Hey, watch your nuts." 436 00:19:40,888 --> 00:19:42,598 [Schyck] We had nicknames for him. 437 00:19:42,681 --> 00:19:46,351 Strauss was Dr. Jelly Paws or Jelly Fingers. 438 00:19:46,435 --> 00:19:49,021 [Knight] I heard someone else call him Dr. Fun Boy once. 439 00:19:49,104 --> 00:19:51,481 But it just got more direct, like, 440 00:19:51,607 --> 00:19:53,859 "This dude, man, what is up with this dude?" 441 00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:56,737 It was a dirty little secret 442 00:19:56,820 --> 00:19:59,990 that we all just tiptoed around, 443 00:20:00,115 --> 00:20:01,742 and we just dealt with it 444 00:20:01,825 --> 00:20:03,327 'cause we're Buckeyes. 445 00:20:03,452 --> 00:20:05,829 [soft music playing] 446 00:20:05,954 --> 00:20:09,082 You would be hard-pressed to find a more macho culture 447 00:20:09,166 --> 00:20:12,252 than Midwest athletes and wrestlers. 448 00:20:12,336 --> 00:20:15,839 I mean, there is so much macho dimension to this story. 449 00:20:16,924 --> 00:20:19,468 I've written several features for Sports Illustrated 450 00:20:19,551 --> 00:20:21,261 on The Ohio State University. 451 00:20:21,345 --> 00:20:22,846 [crowd cheering] 452 00:20:22,971 --> 00:20:25,599 Buckeye Nation is a real identity 453 00:20:25,682 --> 00:20:27,267 for millions of people. 454 00:20:28,477 --> 00:20:31,605 And the core of that identity is about being Midwest tough. 455 00:20:31,688 --> 00:20:32,731 [grunting] 456 00:20:33,815 --> 00:20:37,069 For men, that means emulating the archetype of the warrior. 457 00:20:37,152 --> 00:20:39,696 It's about you being indestructible and dominant, 458 00:20:39,821 --> 00:20:42,783 and if you're a male athlete, so much more so. 459 00:20:43,325 --> 00:20:46,536 And anything less than that is rejected with anger. 460 00:20:46,662 --> 00:20:48,580 I see people whining and bitching. 461 00:20:48,664 --> 00:20:50,832 I see this wimpy little look 462 00:20:50,958 --> 00:20:52,668 on a lot of people's faces 463 00:20:52,793 --> 00:20:55,879 'cause somebody else took something away from them. 464 00:20:56,004 --> 00:20:58,131 Fellas, this is a tough sport. 465 00:20:58,215 --> 00:21:00,676 This is a tough sport! 466 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:02,511 If you don't want to be a part of it, 467 00:21:02,636 --> 00:21:04,221 then get the hell out of it! 468 00:21:05,347 --> 00:21:07,349 [Wertheim] So view the situation with Strauss 469 00:21:07,432 --> 00:21:08,475 through that lens. 470 00:21:08,558 --> 00:21:10,560 [light music playing] 471 00:21:10,686 --> 00:21:14,064 But what happened? Somebody physically dominated you. 472 00:21:14,189 --> 00:21:15,774 Well, if you're wrestling and someone 473 00:21:15,857 --> 00:21:18,694 physically dominates you, you lose. 474 00:21:18,777 --> 00:21:20,988 And now, what if he's half your weight? 475 00:21:21,071 --> 00:21:24,241 In sports terms, it's a mismatch, right? 476 00:21:24,366 --> 00:21:25,742 In this kind of world, 477 00:21:25,867 --> 00:21:27,619 what kind of a man are you then? 478 00:21:28,245 --> 00:21:31,290 And now, what if he's sexually molesting you? 479 00:21:32,749 --> 00:21:35,669 Are you willingly gonna talk about that? 480 00:21:35,752 --> 00:21:37,754 Are you going to admit that? 481 00:21:37,879 --> 00:21:39,089 And if you do, 482 00:21:39,214 --> 00:21:40,507 are those men around you 483 00:21:40,590 --> 00:21:42,009 even gonna be receptive 484 00:21:42,092 --> 00:21:43,760 to hearing about it? 485 00:21:45,762 --> 00:21:47,639 [Schyck] My mom said this to me one time. 486 00:21:47,723 --> 00:21:50,100 She asked me if Russ or Jim, 487 00:21:50,225 --> 00:21:53,520 "Did you tell them the stuff that we're finding out now?" 488 00:21:53,603 --> 00:21:55,689 And I'm like, "But telling them 489 00:21:55,772 --> 00:21:57,524 would imply that they didn't know." 490 00:21:58,900 --> 00:22:00,652 [Ritchie] Our coaches knew. 491 00:22:01,278 --> 00:22:03,613 We had guys complaining about Dr. Strauss 492 00:22:03,739 --> 00:22:05,073 to Jim Jordan. 493 00:22:06,450 --> 00:22:07,993 One of the wrestlers said, 494 00:22:08,577 --> 00:22:11,246 "Dude, why does this guy have to constantly check 495 00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:13,123 our nuts, check our dick?" 496 00:22:13,248 --> 00:22:15,917 Jim Jordan's response: "If he ever did that to me, 497 00:22:16,001 --> 00:22:18,754 I'd snap his neck like a stick of dry balsa wood." 498 00:22:18,837 --> 00:22:20,255 So he knew about it. 499 00:22:20,922 --> 00:22:22,966 And Russ knew. 500 00:22:23,091 --> 00:22:25,302 [grim music fading] 501 00:22:25,427 --> 00:22:28,388 You know, the extent of what Dr. Strauss 502 00:22:28,472 --> 00:22:30,974 might have been doing during physicals 503 00:22:31,099 --> 00:22:33,185 or doing medical checks with athletes 504 00:22:33,268 --> 00:22:35,062 when they had injuries 505 00:22:35,145 --> 00:22:36,605 appears to be beyond the pale 506 00:22:36,688 --> 00:22:40,108 but was never really, uh, told to me. 507 00:22:40,233 --> 00:22:43,653 I just sensed that he was a little bit too invasive, 508 00:22:43,779 --> 00:22:44,821 you know? 509 00:22:44,946 --> 00:22:46,448 He was always too hands-on 510 00:22:46,573 --> 00:22:47,991 with athletes when we had weigh-ins. 511 00:22:48,116 --> 00:22:50,035 He was always grabbing the guys 512 00:22:50,118 --> 00:22:51,912 and turning 'em around, you know, he'd grab 'em 513 00:22:51,995 --> 00:22:54,289 by their midsection and turn 'em. 514 00:22:54,373 --> 00:22:55,874 Then when he was checking for skin, 515 00:22:55,957 --> 00:22:57,626 he'd always be touching it. 516 00:22:58,168 --> 00:22:59,669 I told him one time, I said, "Doc, 517 00:22:59,795 --> 00:23:01,213 you're much too hands-on." 518 00:23:01,296 --> 00:23:03,006 He'd just say, "Ah, I'm being thorough." 519 00:23:03,131 --> 00:23:04,883 And I said, "You know, it bothers some athletes. 520 00:23:04,966 --> 00:23:06,885 Some athletes are very, very sensitive 521 00:23:06,968 --> 00:23:09,721 to that sort of thing," and he kinda shrugged it off. 522 00:23:10,514 --> 00:23:12,265 [Marshall] One small talk, 523 00:23:12,349 --> 00:23:14,393 and nothing changed. 524 00:23:14,476 --> 00:23:16,770 -[light clicks] -[dark, eerie music playing] 525 00:23:16,853 --> 00:23:18,563 Men at that time didn't talk 526 00:23:18,647 --> 00:23:21,066 about their sexuality and their feelings. 527 00:23:21,149 --> 00:23:24,611 And I think the coaches were probably uncomfortable with it 528 00:23:25,529 --> 00:23:27,739 and might have turned a blind eye. 529 00:23:27,823 --> 00:23:30,158 [Wertheim] Russ Hellickson is your surrogate father 530 00:23:30,283 --> 00:23:32,244 while you're in Columbus, Ohio. 531 00:23:32,327 --> 00:23:34,079 If he doesn't deem it important enough 532 00:23:34,162 --> 00:23:35,747 to get rid of this guy, 533 00:23:35,831 --> 00:23:37,124 you take your cue from that. 534 00:23:37,207 --> 00:23:39,918 [solemn music playing] 535 00:23:40,001 --> 00:23:42,629 -[crowd cheering] -[indistinct shouting] 536 00:23:43,672 --> 00:23:45,715 -[whistle blows] -[Ratliff] There's some guys 537 00:23:45,841 --> 00:23:47,634 that were able to achieve like that. 538 00:23:48,844 --> 00:23:51,513 I was not one of those guys achieving in that environment. 539 00:23:51,596 --> 00:23:55,308 And it was some problems internally for me 540 00:23:55,392 --> 00:23:57,102 that I wasn't able to do the things 541 00:23:57,185 --> 00:23:59,688 that I knew I could do athletically. 542 00:24:00,355 --> 00:24:03,233 So, for me, there was a lot of shame 543 00:24:03,358 --> 00:24:05,735 for not being tough enough to take it. 544 00:24:10,699 --> 00:24:13,618 You know, after people hear these stories, 545 00:24:13,702 --> 00:24:15,871 there's a lot of guys that talked to us about, 546 00:24:15,996 --> 00:24:17,539 "Oh, I would've beat him up," 547 00:24:17,664 --> 00:24:19,749 or, "I would've done this, I would've done that." 548 00:24:19,875 --> 00:24:21,710 [Knight] "What do you mean, he touched you? 549 00:24:21,793 --> 00:24:24,171 Why didn't you just whup his ass?" 550 00:24:24,254 --> 00:24:25,964 [Ritchie] The way Strauss did it, 551 00:24:26,047 --> 00:24:28,341 this man never had a nurse 552 00:24:28,425 --> 00:24:30,177 or another trainer in that office 553 00:24:30,260 --> 00:24:32,804 when we were in there one-on-one. Never. 554 00:24:32,888 --> 00:24:36,725 So it was always his word against your word. 555 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:40,979 And, yeah, I could've smacked him upside the head, 556 00:24:41,062 --> 00:24:42,314 and then what would've happened? 557 00:24:42,397 --> 00:24:44,024 [door creaking] 558 00:24:44,107 --> 00:24:45,609 [Knight] Imagine I'm walking out 559 00:24:45,734 --> 00:24:46,943 and then this old white man 560 00:24:47,068 --> 00:24:48,445 is knocked out in there, 561 00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:49,988 and this guy has been-- mind you, 562 00:24:50,071 --> 00:24:53,325 been around this university since 1979. 563 00:24:54,784 --> 00:24:56,203 So what am I gonna do? 564 00:24:56,912 --> 00:24:59,414 What they're gonna do is kick me out of school. 565 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:02,417 He'd have his job and he'd still be doing what he's doing 566 00:25:02,542 --> 00:25:04,586 and I'd be out of my scholarship. 567 00:25:05,128 --> 00:25:06,880 We had 568 00:25:06,963 --> 00:25:08,590 so much to lose. 569 00:25:09,132 --> 00:25:10,509 I wasn't rich. 570 00:25:10,592 --> 00:25:12,219 I wasn't blessed with a ton of money. 571 00:25:12,302 --> 00:25:15,138 So the-the scholarship was critical. 572 00:25:16,264 --> 00:25:17,849 We were powerless, 573 00:25:17,933 --> 00:25:19,559 and all's I knew 574 00:25:19,643 --> 00:25:21,603 is that I wanted to be a national champion, 575 00:25:21,728 --> 00:25:24,189 and I wasn't gonna stir the fucking pot 576 00:25:24,272 --> 00:25:28,318 with The big-time Ohio State University. 577 00:25:29,194 --> 00:25:30,946 And, quite honestly, 578 00:25:31,071 --> 00:25:33,698 what he's actually doing to me, 579 00:25:33,782 --> 00:25:35,283 I didn't-- I didn't even think it-- 580 00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:37,911 Maybe it wasn't even wrong. I didn't know. 581 00:25:37,994 --> 00:25:39,079 [light clicks] 582 00:25:40,288 --> 00:25:42,999 [Wertheim] This is a credentialed doctor. 583 00:25:43,124 --> 00:25:45,627 He's got the Harvard diploma. He's been at Chicago, 584 00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:48,171 University of Pennsylvania. He's been in the military. 585 00:25:48,296 --> 00:25:50,632 He's publishing these scholarly articles. 586 00:25:50,715 --> 00:25:54,469 Whatever you say, he's got a quick riposte ready. 587 00:25:54,594 --> 00:25:57,055 And you're an 18- or 19-year-old naive kid. 588 00:25:57,806 --> 00:25:59,224 [Marshall] But more than that, 589 00:25:59,307 --> 00:26:01,810 he was in such a position of power 590 00:26:01,935 --> 00:26:04,187 because if he didn't approve their physical, 591 00:26:04,312 --> 00:26:06,273 if they didn't go through his exam, 592 00:26:06,356 --> 00:26:08,525 they did not compete. 593 00:26:10,193 --> 00:26:12,237 He had all the power. 594 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,655 All the power. 595 00:26:15,574 --> 00:26:17,200 And they did nothing. 596 00:26:17,325 --> 00:26:19,578 [tense music playing] 597 00:26:20,829 --> 00:26:23,498 So Doc Strauss, he got more emboldened. 598 00:26:23,999 --> 00:26:26,376 You know, we would come down from the wrestling room, 599 00:26:26,501 --> 00:26:28,795 and most of us were worrying about making weight, 600 00:26:28,878 --> 00:26:30,380 so we'd come down, 601 00:26:30,505 --> 00:26:33,008 sit in the sauna for 20, 25 minutes. 602 00:26:33,592 --> 00:26:35,719 And, sure enough, there's Dr. Strauss 603 00:26:35,844 --> 00:26:37,012 sitting in there with us. 604 00:26:38,013 --> 00:26:40,140 Next thing you know, he'd go right into the showers 605 00:26:40,223 --> 00:26:41,433 with everybody. 606 00:26:42,434 --> 00:26:44,978 And Strauss would be facing out. 607 00:26:45,061 --> 00:26:47,105 You know, if, like, this microphone, 608 00:26:47,188 --> 00:26:48,857 when you shower, this is the shower head, 609 00:26:48,940 --> 00:26:50,150 you shower like this. 610 00:26:51,109 --> 00:26:53,903 He would shower like this, facing... 611 00:26:55,030 --> 00:26:57,657 He'd be shower-facing, so he'd be looking at us. 612 00:27:02,037 --> 00:27:04,080 And he'd be the first one in, last one out. 613 00:27:06,082 --> 00:27:08,043 Then, he'd come out, 614 00:27:08,126 --> 00:27:10,545 he'd see another group of guys coming down, 615 00:27:10,629 --> 00:27:13,048 and it's like, "Oh, I forgot to clean this. 616 00:27:13,173 --> 00:27:15,133 I need to go back into the shower." 617 00:27:15,216 --> 00:27:17,010 And he'd go right back into the shower. 618 00:27:20,764 --> 00:27:23,558 Russ even allowed him to have a locker 619 00:27:23,683 --> 00:27:25,018 in our locker room. 620 00:27:26,269 --> 00:27:28,938 So Strauss was in there all the time, 621 00:27:29,064 --> 00:27:30,523 watching all the guys 622 00:27:31,066 --> 00:27:34,444 getting undressed, drying off, getting dressed. 623 00:27:34,569 --> 00:27:36,655 He didn't do anything. He didn't go out running. 624 00:27:36,738 --> 00:27:37,989 He didn't work out. 625 00:27:38,073 --> 00:27:40,283 And he's taking showers 626 00:27:40,408 --> 00:27:42,077 multiple times a day 627 00:27:42,202 --> 00:27:43,787 with male athletes. 628 00:27:45,413 --> 00:27:46,998 [Schyck] It was that blatant. 629 00:27:47,082 --> 00:27:49,626 He was getting aroused while he's watching everybody. 630 00:27:49,751 --> 00:27:51,544 It was-- It-- It was-- 631 00:27:52,295 --> 00:27:53,755 I mean, 632 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,007 it's not something I really want to, uh... 633 00:27:57,008 --> 00:27:59,761 [laughs] ...remember or pull up. I mean, I didn't... 634 00:27:59,844 --> 00:28:01,930 Storing stuff like that is not, uh... 635 00:28:03,765 --> 00:28:04,724 Uh... 636 00:28:04,808 --> 00:28:06,601 [grim music playing] 637 00:28:06,685 --> 00:28:08,895 I said, "Doc, you make the guys nervous 638 00:28:08,978 --> 00:28:11,022 that you shower with 'em," and his response was, 639 00:28:11,106 --> 00:28:13,191 "Coach, you shower with your guys all the time." 640 00:28:13,274 --> 00:28:14,776 I said, "Yeah, not for an hour, Doc." 641 00:28:15,276 --> 00:28:17,070 Uh, it was obvious, you know, 642 00:28:17,153 --> 00:28:20,532 Doc-- Dr. Strauss liked to be in the shower room a lot 643 00:28:20,615 --> 00:28:21,991 with the athletes, 644 00:28:22,117 --> 00:28:24,411 so he was doing a lot of showering. 645 00:28:28,123 --> 00:28:30,542 [announcer] And we are set for action here. 646 00:28:32,043 --> 00:28:34,170 Our referee today is Fred Feeney. 647 00:28:34,295 --> 00:28:36,005 [announcer 2] Feeney is one of the top officials 648 00:28:36,131 --> 00:28:37,549 in the state, from the Columbus area. 649 00:28:37,632 --> 00:28:39,134 He's been around for a long time. 650 00:28:39,217 --> 00:28:40,468 -[whistle blows] -Oh! 651 00:28:40,593 --> 00:28:42,095 [crowd cheering] 652 00:28:42,178 --> 00:28:43,930 -Wow, what a match! -[indistinct] 653 00:28:44,013 --> 00:28:45,849 [Feeney] One time, I'm doing this match, 654 00:28:45,974 --> 00:28:48,435 and once the match is over, you sign the book and leave. 655 00:28:48,518 --> 00:28:51,104 You don't hang around. You don't high-five people. 656 00:28:51,187 --> 00:28:53,398 You get the hell outta there, nothing good's gonna happen 657 00:28:53,481 --> 00:28:55,358 'cause somebody's pissed off about something. 658 00:28:55,483 --> 00:28:56,526 Just get the hell out. 659 00:28:56,651 --> 00:28:58,319 And I walked in, 660 00:28:58,445 --> 00:29:00,655 and, um, it-- you know, you get undressed 661 00:29:00,739 --> 00:29:02,365 and you go take a shower and you leave. 662 00:29:02,490 --> 00:29:03,491 It's that simple. 663 00:29:03,575 --> 00:29:04,909 And as I was in there, 664 00:29:04,993 --> 00:29:06,369 Dr. Strauss walks in. 665 00:29:06,494 --> 00:29:07,954 And I knew Dr. Strauss 666 00:29:08,037 --> 00:29:10,457 from just being around Ohio State University. 667 00:29:10,540 --> 00:29:12,167 I've known him for years. 668 00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:14,335 And, um, "Hey, Dr. Strauss. How are you?" 669 00:29:14,461 --> 00:29:16,004 He goes, "Good, Fred. Nice match." 670 00:29:16,129 --> 00:29:17,630 And that-that small talk. 671 00:29:17,714 --> 00:29:20,967 And he starts getting undressed right beside me. 672 00:29:21,050 --> 00:29:23,511 And yet there's all this room over here 673 00:29:23,636 --> 00:29:26,598 that he could've went to to get undressed. 674 00:29:27,849 --> 00:29:30,351 And I just kinda looked, "Doc, what are you doing?" 675 00:29:30,477 --> 00:29:32,687 He goes, "Well, there's somewhere I want to be tonight, 676 00:29:32,812 --> 00:29:34,939 need to be, and so I'm gonna take a shower." 677 00:29:35,023 --> 00:29:36,441 Okay. You know? 678 00:29:36,524 --> 00:29:38,485 So I finished getting undressed, 679 00:29:38,568 --> 00:29:41,571 I put a towel around me, and I went into the shower. 680 00:29:43,198 --> 00:29:45,408 And then, within a very short period of time, 681 00:29:45,533 --> 00:29:47,452 Dr. Strauss walks in the shower. 682 00:29:47,535 --> 00:29:50,955 He could've went anywhere, but he stood right beside me. 683 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:52,957 The shower-- I'm here, he's here. 684 00:29:53,041 --> 00:29:54,876 [unsettling music playing] 685 00:29:54,959 --> 00:29:56,878 [groans] Okay. You know? 686 00:29:57,003 --> 00:30:00,131 And the next thing I know, 687 00:30:00,215 --> 00:30:01,800 I look over and I realize 688 00:30:01,883 --> 00:30:03,718 he's not washing himself. 689 00:30:03,802 --> 00:30:05,345 He's masturbating. 690 00:30:05,428 --> 00:30:07,514 He's beside me masturbating. 691 00:30:08,890 --> 00:30:10,850 And I'm thinking, "What the hell are you doing?" 692 00:30:10,934 --> 00:30:13,019 He goes, "Well, Fred, I'm just washing." 693 00:30:13,770 --> 00:30:15,438 Well, that's kind of a weird-ass way 694 00:30:15,563 --> 00:30:16,648 to do it, you know? 695 00:30:18,274 --> 00:30:20,860 And I remember, I kinda turned a little bit, 696 00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:22,821 and the next thing I know, 697 00:30:22,904 --> 00:30:25,907 I'm feeling his hand on my butt. 698 00:30:26,032 --> 00:30:27,992 And... [groans] 699 00:30:30,745 --> 00:30:31,913 [chokes up] 700 00:30:37,168 --> 00:30:38,545 [spluttering] 701 00:30:39,337 --> 00:30:42,048 A-And I can't explain to you 702 00:30:43,091 --> 00:30:45,009 why that affected me the way it affected-- 703 00:30:45,093 --> 00:30:47,220 It affected me so bad 704 00:30:47,303 --> 00:30:49,973 that I didn't even respond to him, 705 00:30:50,098 --> 00:30:52,141 where I should've knocked him on his ass 706 00:30:52,267 --> 00:30:54,394 at that point, at that time. 707 00:30:54,477 --> 00:30:55,562 [groans] 708 00:30:59,774 --> 00:31:00,942 But I didn't. 709 00:31:01,025 --> 00:31:02,610 I walked out. 710 00:31:02,694 --> 00:31:05,071 And I went back to my locker, 711 00:31:05,154 --> 00:31:07,615 and I started to get dressed. 712 00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:09,325 Strauss walks out, 713 00:31:09,450 --> 00:31:11,077 and he has a towel around him, 714 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,081 he has an obvious erection right there, and I just-- 715 00:31:15,164 --> 00:31:17,166 "What are you doing? What the hell were you doing?" 716 00:31:17,292 --> 00:31:18,501 He goes, "There's nothing wrong. 717 00:31:18,626 --> 00:31:20,211 You got a beautiful butt." 718 00:31:20,295 --> 00:31:22,297 He goes, "You got a great penis. You got--" 719 00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:25,174 He goes, "You should be proud of that," and, again, 720 00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:29,512 I was so overcome with how asinine this was, 721 00:31:30,346 --> 00:31:32,640 I got dressed, didn't say a word to him. 722 00:31:33,850 --> 00:31:35,268 As I'm walking out, 723 00:31:35,351 --> 00:31:37,103 at the very end of that walkway, 724 00:31:37,186 --> 00:31:40,064 Russ Hellickson and Jim Jordan were both standing there, 725 00:31:40,148 --> 00:31:41,691 and I looked at both of them, I said, 726 00:31:41,816 --> 00:31:43,359 "Hey, Strauss is in there masturbating 727 00:31:43,484 --> 00:31:44,986 beside me in the shower." 728 00:31:45,069 --> 00:31:46,696 And both of them looked at me, 729 00:31:46,821 --> 00:31:50,199 Jim Jordan looked at me straight in my face and said, 730 00:31:50,325 --> 00:31:51,701 "It's Strauss. 731 00:31:51,826 --> 00:31:53,202 You know what he does." 732 00:31:54,329 --> 00:31:56,205 And Russ agreed. 733 00:31:57,707 --> 00:31:59,792 I-I think, as I walked out, 734 00:31:59,876 --> 00:32:02,128 I-I started to take that 735 00:32:02,211 --> 00:32:04,130 and just started pushing it down 736 00:32:04,213 --> 00:32:06,841 and down and down and down and down. 737 00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:09,677 It was just something I couldn't deal with, 738 00:32:09,761 --> 00:32:10,929 and I didn't deal with it. 739 00:32:12,180 --> 00:32:13,973 [Schyck] And what you'll come to learn 740 00:32:14,057 --> 00:32:17,185 is that this isn't just happening with the wrestlers. 741 00:32:18,019 --> 00:32:19,896 The male gymnasts, 742 00:32:20,021 --> 00:32:22,523 their facility was in Larkins Hall, 743 00:32:22,649 --> 00:32:25,109 which is where our, uh, wrestling room was. 744 00:32:25,193 --> 00:32:27,487 He had a locker in their locker room. 745 00:32:28,112 --> 00:32:29,864 He had a locker in the fencing room. 746 00:32:29,948 --> 00:32:31,991 He had a locker in the football room. 747 00:32:32,075 --> 00:32:33,618 I heard he had a locker 748 00:32:33,701 --> 00:32:35,453 somewhere where the swim team was. 749 00:32:36,204 --> 00:32:39,874 Fifteen, sixteen sports, I mean, that-that's insane. 750 00:32:40,750 --> 00:32:42,210 He's everywhere. 751 00:32:42,293 --> 00:32:44,420 [tense, solemn music playing] 752 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,298 [skates clacking] 753 00:32:47,382 --> 00:32:49,509 -[music fades] -[hockey sticks smacking] 754 00:32:51,219 --> 00:32:54,263 Hockey was just, you're Canadian, 755 00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:56,224 and you just want to be a hockey player. 756 00:32:56,808 --> 00:32:58,726 That was the goal. That was the dream. 757 00:32:58,810 --> 00:33:00,770 [skates scraping] 758 00:33:00,895 --> 00:33:02,522 [light music playing] 759 00:33:02,605 --> 00:33:04,816 I'd go to the rink, you know, early in the morning. 760 00:33:04,899 --> 00:33:06,484 I-I was-- They called me a rink rat. 761 00:33:06,567 --> 00:33:08,695 And I just loved the game. 762 00:33:10,446 --> 00:33:12,573 And I was fortunate enough in 1985 763 00:33:12,699 --> 00:33:15,535 to win a national championship in junior. 764 00:33:15,618 --> 00:33:17,787 I was recruited by a lot of schools. 765 00:33:17,912 --> 00:33:19,247 I was recruited by North Dakota, 766 00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:20,873 which was an absolute powerhouse. 767 00:33:21,416 --> 00:33:23,710 But Ohio State was a better fit for me. 768 00:33:23,793 --> 00:33:26,295 I had the opportunity to come in and start right away. 769 00:33:26,963 --> 00:33:28,840 My goal was to... 770 00:33:29,841 --> 00:33:31,759 get to Ohio State, develop for four years, 771 00:33:31,843 --> 00:33:33,386 and step in to play pro hockey. 772 00:33:33,970 --> 00:33:35,847 Ohio State offering me a full scholarship 773 00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:37,807 was pretty incredible. 774 00:33:38,433 --> 00:33:41,019 Everything that I had hoped for to happen, 775 00:33:41,102 --> 00:33:43,021 to that point, had happened. 776 00:33:43,104 --> 00:33:44,397 So I was very excited. 777 00:33:49,277 --> 00:33:51,029 [music fades] 778 00:33:51,779 --> 00:33:54,991 My first encounter with Dr. Strauss was 779 00:33:55,116 --> 00:33:57,577 ten days after I landed here at Ohio State. 780 00:33:58,453 --> 00:34:00,288 [indistinct chatter] 781 00:34:00,371 --> 00:34:03,750 We went to the hall, and we had medicals done. 782 00:34:03,833 --> 00:34:06,627 [door creaks open] 783 00:34:06,753 --> 00:34:08,963 He was kind and he was nice 784 00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:10,423 and he, "Where are you from? 785 00:34:10,506 --> 00:34:11,716 Welcome to Ohio State." 786 00:34:11,799 --> 00:34:14,218 [grim music playing] 787 00:34:15,636 --> 00:34:17,722 And he said, "Have you ever had a physical before?" 788 00:34:17,805 --> 00:34:21,225 And I said, "Not that I can remember." 789 00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:24,062 "Have you ever been checked for a hernia before?" 790 00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:25,563 And I said, "Nope." 791 00:34:25,646 --> 00:34:27,482 [wheels rattling] 792 00:34:27,565 --> 00:34:29,734 You know, and he said, "Can you drop your shorts?" 793 00:34:30,985 --> 00:34:31,944 [light clicks] 794 00:34:32,028 --> 00:34:33,738 And I didn't know 795 00:34:33,821 --> 00:34:34,989 what a hernia check was. 796 00:34:35,114 --> 00:34:36,741 I didn't know... I didn't know. 797 00:34:36,824 --> 00:34:38,284 I didn't know what I didn't know. 798 00:34:42,330 --> 00:34:43,873 I remember leaving 799 00:34:43,998 --> 00:34:45,666 and going, "Wow, that was... 800 00:34:45,792 --> 00:34:47,085 That was very odd." 801 00:34:48,669 --> 00:34:51,172 I sort of-- I dis-- sort of disassociated myself. 802 00:34:51,255 --> 00:34:53,549 And then, whoever said, "Oh, you know, 803 00:34:53,674 --> 00:34:55,259 you must have a big... 804 00:34:56,177 --> 00:34:58,638 penis," in-in other terms, 805 00:34:58,721 --> 00:35:01,015 um, "'cause you were in there for quite a while. Attaboy. 806 00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:02,809 Oh, you know, good for you." 807 00:35:02,892 --> 00:35:04,227 And you're like, "Oh. 808 00:35:04,852 --> 00:35:06,562 Okay. I'm not sure what that means, but... 809 00:35:07,522 --> 00:35:09,023 okay, um..." 810 00:35:10,108 --> 00:35:11,818 And I left. 811 00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:15,613 I should've asked somebody, "Is that normal? 812 00:35:15,696 --> 00:35:17,907 You know, why does all that have to happen?" 813 00:35:19,033 --> 00:35:21,494 But I trusted Dr. Strauss 'cause he was the team doctor 814 00:35:21,577 --> 00:35:22,995 and it's his job. 815 00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:24,497 That's what they've hired him to do. 816 00:35:24,580 --> 00:35:26,124 And, you know, you're so excited 817 00:35:26,207 --> 00:35:28,042 to be at The Ohio State University 818 00:35:28,126 --> 00:35:29,585 playing the sport that you love. 819 00:35:30,211 --> 00:35:32,630 This is it. You're where you want to be. 820 00:35:32,713 --> 00:35:34,590 [light music playing] 821 00:35:34,715 --> 00:35:37,510 So, yeah, I saw him a few times, and every time, 822 00:35:38,469 --> 00:35:39,804 he would check you for a hernia. 823 00:35:41,556 --> 00:35:44,392 Once, I got a slap shot off my foot. 824 00:35:44,475 --> 00:35:46,727 First thing he did was, "Drop your trousers." 825 00:35:47,728 --> 00:35:49,230 He'd check me for a hernia. 826 00:35:51,816 --> 00:35:53,234 I'm thinking, "My foot... 827 00:35:54,443 --> 00:35:55,987 My foot's sore. 828 00:35:56,654 --> 00:35:57,947 My foot is sore." 829 00:35:59,574 --> 00:36:01,450 But he was our doctor. 830 00:36:01,576 --> 00:36:02,869 This has to be "normal" 831 00:36:02,952 --> 00:36:04,453 because no one has said anything. 832 00:36:08,916 --> 00:36:10,793 But it really affected me. 833 00:36:13,254 --> 00:36:16,048 So I went to see Coach after Christmas 834 00:36:16,132 --> 00:36:17,425 and tried to tell him, 835 00:36:17,508 --> 00:36:19,802 "Something's not right with the doctor. 836 00:36:19,927 --> 00:36:21,387 You know, he's... 837 00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:23,764 He's a little different, and, you know," 838 00:36:23,848 --> 00:36:25,641 and, um... 839 00:36:27,768 --> 00:36:29,687 He just said to me, "Don't worry about the doctor. 840 00:36:29,770 --> 00:36:31,856 You worry about you-- your playing." 841 00:36:31,939 --> 00:36:34,483 [light music continues] 842 00:36:38,863 --> 00:36:40,239 [music fades] 843 00:36:43,451 --> 00:36:46,204 [soft, dark music playing] 844 00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:49,957 [woman] My mother was the only female coach 845 00:36:50,082 --> 00:36:52,919 of a men's team at Ohio State University. 846 00:36:53,002 --> 00:36:55,379 She coached women's and men's fencing. 847 00:37:00,509 --> 00:37:04,096 Very soon after my mom took over the men's team, 848 00:37:04,180 --> 00:37:07,099 she started hearing from the male fencers 849 00:37:07,183 --> 00:37:08,809 that there was definitely something off 850 00:37:08,893 --> 00:37:09,977 about Dr. Strauss, 851 00:37:10,686 --> 00:37:12,188 that he would ogle the men 852 00:37:12,313 --> 00:37:13,856 who were taking showers, 853 00:37:13,981 --> 00:37:15,900 and he seemed to be around 854 00:37:15,983 --> 00:37:17,902 more than seemed normal. 855 00:37:17,985 --> 00:37:20,279 [swords clanging, whooshing] 856 00:37:21,822 --> 00:37:24,992 I remember one incident very clearly. 857 00:37:25,117 --> 00:37:28,120 Uh, my boyfriend at the time, it was at the end of practice, 858 00:37:28,204 --> 00:37:30,081 and his ear was bleeding. 859 00:37:30,164 --> 00:37:33,042 My mom's first, "Go down to the trainer's room 860 00:37:33,167 --> 00:37:36,212 and go see if there's anything that they can do for you." 861 00:37:36,337 --> 00:37:38,631 [foreboding music playing] 862 00:37:38,714 --> 00:37:40,091 I went down there with him, 863 00:37:40,174 --> 00:37:41,676 and Dr. Strauss was there. 864 00:37:41,801 --> 00:37:43,469 As soon as he saw my boyfriend, 865 00:37:43,552 --> 00:37:45,429 "Sure, come on in! Come on in!" 866 00:37:45,513 --> 00:37:47,723 And then the door was closed. 867 00:37:50,768 --> 00:37:52,770 Immediately after he was seen, 868 00:37:52,853 --> 00:37:54,355 he came right out and said, 869 00:37:54,438 --> 00:37:56,399 "I got in there, showed him my bleeding ear, 870 00:37:56,524 --> 00:37:58,401 and the first thing Dr. Strauss asked for 871 00:37:58,526 --> 00:37:59,777 was to drop my shorts." 872 00:38:01,195 --> 00:38:04,156 He let my mother know that this happened, 873 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:07,868 and so she went to discuss the situation with her boss. 874 00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:14,709 The fencing coach says, "Listen, I have real concerns 875 00:38:14,834 --> 00:38:16,460 about this inappropriate behavior." 876 00:38:17,712 --> 00:38:20,047 It's clear she doesn't know the half of it. 877 00:38:20,131 --> 00:38:22,216 She knows it's inappropriate, though, 878 00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:24,885 for a team doctor to be showering with the athletes. 879 00:38:25,386 --> 00:38:28,389 She knows it's inappropriate for him to be pawing athletes 880 00:38:28,472 --> 00:38:30,933 for having nothing to do with their groin area. 881 00:38:31,058 --> 00:38:33,227 And so she launches her first complaint. 882 00:38:35,229 --> 00:38:37,898 Their take on it was it's hearsay. 883 00:38:38,024 --> 00:38:39,400 You know, "Show me proof. 884 00:38:39,525 --> 00:38:41,444 Till I have proof, I can't do anything." 885 00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:44,947 Her response back to the male athletes was, 886 00:38:45,906 --> 00:38:47,742 "We need proof. We need someone 887 00:38:47,825 --> 00:38:49,285 who's willing to come forward. 888 00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:51,454 I'm glad to come and stand with you. 889 00:38:51,579 --> 00:38:53,456 I will support you and talk." 890 00:38:55,958 --> 00:38:58,461 But she did not find any takers. 891 00:38:59,587 --> 00:39:01,839 And so, alone, my mother complained 892 00:39:01,922 --> 00:39:04,550 to the directors about Dr. Strauss. 893 00:39:04,633 --> 00:39:06,427 She would specifically go and meet with them 894 00:39:06,552 --> 00:39:07,762 on a regular basis 895 00:39:07,845 --> 00:39:10,848 because they were her boss. 896 00:39:10,931 --> 00:39:13,476 She complained about Dr. Strauss 897 00:39:13,601 --> 00:39:15,603 year after year 898 00:39:16,145 --> 00:39:18,522 because fencers would be there for three, four years, 899 00:39:18,606 --> 00:39:20,066 and then there'd be a new set. 900 00:39:20,149 --> 00:39:21,942 It was not a one-time occurrence. 901 00:39:22,068 --> 00:39:24,236 It was regular and ongoing. 902 00:39:25,863 --> 00:39:27,531 And nothing was done. 903 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,622 [man] Sir, what dates were you Director of Sports Medicine? 904 00:39:34,747 --> 00:39:37,166 -1990 to 2004. -[man] Okay. 905 00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:40,044 And in that role, were you responsible 906 00:39:40,127 --> 00:39:41,420 for supervising employees? 907 00:39:41,504 --> 00:39:42,671 Yes. 908 00:39:43,297 --> 00:39:45,132 And were you ever in charge of supervising 909 00:39:45,216 --> 00:39:46,342 Richard Strauss? 910 00:39:46,467 --> 00:39:47,426 Yes. 911 00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:49,887 [somber piano music playing] 912 00:40:01,232 --> 00:40:03,442 [man] It's your job to keep male student-athletes safe 913 00:40:03,526 --> 00:40:06,028 from being sexually abused by a team physician, right? 914 00:40:06,153 --> 00:40:07,196 Yes. 915 00:40:07,738 --> 00:40:09,949 The fencing coach has sufficient stories 916 00:40:10,032 --> 00:40:12,243 and evidence and she's ready to go to her superiors 917 00:40:12,326 --> 00:40:13,953 and does so, repeatedly, 918 00:40:14,036 --> 00:40:16,372 over the course of different administrations. 919 00:40:16,497 --> 00:40:18,165 [man] All right, I'm gonna show you 920 00:40:18,249 --> 00:40:20,292 a one-page letter from you 921 00:40:20,376 --> 00:40:22,920 dated November 7th, 1994. 922 00:40:23,003 --> 00:40:24,588 And what does the school do? 923 00:40:24,672 --> 00:40:26,924 The same thing that John Lombardo does 924 00:40:27,007 --> 00:40:28,134 in 1994. 925 00:40:28,843 --> 00:40:30,594 [man] From the first sentence, it says, 926 00:40:30,678 --> 00:40:32,638 "I have investigated the concerns raised 927 00:40:32,721 --> 00:40:34,765 by the fencing coach, Charlotte Remenyik, 928 00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:37,309 concerning her athletes and the medical care system. 929 00:40:37,393 --> 00:40:39,645 I have spoken with her and her concerns 930 00:40:39,728 --> 00:40:41,856 are based on rumors which have been generated 931 00:40:41,939 --> 00:40:44,066 for ten years with no foundation." 932 00:40:44,191 --> 00:40:46,652 She's effectively clapped back, 933 00:40:46,735 --> 00:40:48,904 "Oh, you're just basing this on hearsay and rumor," 934 00:40:49,029 --> 00:40:51,740 and you want to say, "Well, that's what we've got to go on 935 00:40:51,866 --> 00:40:55,327 because of your, at best, ineptitude." 936 00:40:55,411 --> 00:40:58,205 [soft, tense music playing] 937 00:40:58,330 --> 00:41:01,375 [man] Have you ever spoken with any fencer on-- at OSU 938 00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:04,086 about alleged misconduct by Dr. Strauss? 939 00:41:05,796 --> 00:41:06,922 No. 940 00:41:08,215 --> 00:41:11,427 It's not like people have phones and they're videotaping this. 941 00:41:11,552 --> 00:41:14,013 It's not as though the school has been remotely responsible 942 00:41:14,096 --> 00:41:16,307 in handling the welter of complaints 943 00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:17,600 that came before this. 944 00:41:18,601 --> 00:41:21,353 [Smith] My mom would detail the stories that she had heard, 945 00:41:21,437 --> 00:41:23,731 and the only response back was, 946 00:41:23,856 --> 00:41:25,441 "Give us some kind of proof." 947 00:41:25,983 --> 00:41:27,818 [man] Did anyone at OSU, to your knowledge, 948 00:41:27,902 --> 00:41:30,529 ever reach out to students about Dr. Strauss? 949 00:41:30,613 --> 00:41:31,989 Not that I'm aware of. 950 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:34,658 [Wertheim] Rumor and innuendo? 951 00:41:34,742 --> 00:41:36,702 What else could it possibly be? 952 00:41:36,785 --> 00:41:38,996 Yes, it's rumor and innuendo, and you have failed 953 00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:41,624 to document anything effectively. 954 00:41:42,333 --> 00:41:44,251 [man] Did you ever ask any trainer whether Strauss 955 00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:46,045 had behaved inappropriately with a student? 956 00:41:46,128 --> 00:41:48,214 -Not that I remember. -Did you ever ask a coach 957 00:41:48,297 --> 00:41:50,090 whether Dr. Strauss had behaved inappropriately 958 00:41:50,174 --> 00:41:51,175 with a student? 959 00:41:51,258 --> 00:41:52,843 Uh, not that I remember. 960 00:41:52,927 --> 00:41:54,386 [music fades] 961 00:41:56,597 --> 00:41:58,390 [Wertheim] The school leaves him alone. 962 00:41:59,642 --> 00:42:01,352 But finally, it creates 963 00:42:01,435 --> 00:42:03,062 enough of a stir that Strauss says, 964 00:42:03,145 --> 00:42:05,439 "Fine, I won't be the doctor for the fencing team." 965 00:42:05,564 --> 00:42:07,399 He's got plenty of other teams. 966 00:42:14,156 --> 00:42:15,616 [Smith] I truly do not know 967 00:42:15,699 --> 00:42:17,826 that it was her ongoing request, 968 00:42:17,952 --> 00:42:19,286 but I definitely know 969 00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:21,080 that it also took quite a bit of time, 970 00:42:21,163 --> 00:42:23,499 well over a decade, for that to happen. 971 00:42:23,999 --> 00:42:26,418 [solemn music playing] 972 00:42:27,294 --> 00:42:29,755 [Marshall] Charlotte Remenyik was the lone wolf, 973 00:42:29,838 --> 00:42:32,591 the one voice who said, "This cannot go on," 974 00:42:32,675 --> 00:42:35,970 but even after a university coach 975 00:42:36,095 --> 00:42:38,973 came forward and refused to allow him 976 00:42:39,098 --> 00:42:40,933 to see her athletes, 977 00:42:41,016 --> 00:42:44,311 nobody stopped him from doing it to everybody else. 978 00:42:47,022 --> 00:42:49,692 [Wertheim] Think about this. The female fencing coach 979 00:42:49,817 --> 00:42:53,237 has these concerns based on what she's hearing, 980 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:54,989 she's not in the men's locker room, 981 00:42:55,114 --> 00:42:57,366 but she's heard enough that she's sufficiently upset 982 00:42:57,491 --> 00:42:59,785 to take this to her superiors. 983 00:42:59,868 --> 00:43:02,371 How in the world did this continue to go on, 984 00:43:02,496 --> 00:43:04,832 and why did no one say anything? 985 00:43:06,333 --> 00:43:09,378 Maybe it was that the OSU teams were dominating. 986 00:43:09,503 --> 00:43:11,046 [announcer] What a match! 987 00:43:12,423 --> 00:43:15,175 Randleman wins it for Ohio State. 988 00:43:15,259 --> 00:43:16,719 [announcer 2] Rex Holman. 989 00:43:17,219 --> 00:43:19,430 [crowd cheering] 990 00:43:19,513 --> 00:43:22,600 [Wertheim] And no one wanted to befoul that with a scandal. 991 00:43:22,683 --> 00:43:23,684 [music fades] 992 00:43:23,767 --> 00:43:25,269 [wind howling] 993 00:43:25,352 --> 00:43:26,895 [Wertheim] But not all the teams 994 00:43:27,021 --> 00:43:29,356 during those two decades were good, 995 00:43:29,481 --> 00:43:31,525 and still there was silence. 996 00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:33,027 And then something clicked. 997 00:43:34,570 --> 00:43:36,113 Richard Strauss, 998 00:43:36,196 --> 00:43:38,574 apart from being this team doctor, 999 00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:42,828 was an absolute pioneer in steroids. 1000 00:43:42,911 --> 00:43:45,414 [soft music playing] 1001 00:43:46,624 --> 00:43:48,375 He published article after article 1002 00:43:48,459 --> 00:43:50,461 about anabolic steroids. 1003 00:43:52,796 --> 00:43:54,173 1980s, when we're just learning 1004 00:43:54,256 --> 00:43:55,883 about this intersection 1005 00:43:55,966 --> 00:43:57,593 between steroids and athletic performance 1006 00:43:57,718 --> 00:43:58,844 and performance-enhancing drugs 1007 00:43:58,927 --> 00:44:00,888 and what they can do, 1008 00:44:01,013 --> 00:44:03,098 Richard Strauss is at the forefront. 1009 00:44:03,223 --> 00:44:05,643 One pro football player said competing against athletes 1010 00:44:05,726 --> 00:44:07,561 who took steroids was like giving them 1011 00:44:07,645 --> 00:44:09,438 a three-yard head start 1012 00:44:09,563 --> 00:44:11,231 in the 100-yard dash. 1013 00:44:11,315 --> 00:44:14,234 It is a powerful incentive to play Russian roulette 1014 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,404 with a very powerful and potentially dangerous drug. 1015 00:44:17,488 --> 00:44:19,406 We're going to talk with a sports physician 1016 00:44:19,531 --> 00:44:21,950 who has done research on steroids. 1017 00:44:22,076 --> 00:44:23,744 Uh, the question of anabolic steroids 1018 00:44:23,827 --> 00:44:26,163 hasn't been very important to the general population 1019 00:44:26,246 --> 00:44:28,916 because most people have not known much about 'em. 1020 00:44:28,999 --> 00:44:31,752 Multiple sources told me 1021 00:44:31,877 --> 00:44:34,254 they got steroids from Dr. Strauss, 1022 00:44:34,338 --> 00:44:38,008 and multiple sources told me he was distributing steroids. 1023 00:44:38,092 --> 00:44:40,719 I talked to one former trainer. 1024 00:44:40,803 --> 00:44:43,305 One of his jobs was distributing 1025 00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:45,599 the steroids to the athlete. 1026 00:44:45,683 --> 00:44:47,643 [distorted voice] That was when people were starting 1027 00:44:47,768 --> 00:44:50,646 to figure out how you were gonna be able to game the system. 1028 00:44:50,771 --> 00:44:53,148 And Strauss was viewed as the expert. 1029 00:44:53,774 --> 00:44:56,402 It was a small office that served as an exam room, 1030 00:44:56,485 --> 00:44:58,153 and then he had a medical cabinet 1031 00:44:58,278 --> 00:44:59,738 that he had there that was locked. 1032 00:44:59,822 --> 00:45:01,573 It was-- Only he had a key to it. 1033 00:45:01,657 --> 00:45:03,409 Anabolic steroids were in there. 1034 00:45:03,492 --> 00:45:05,452 [soft, tense music playing] 1035 00:45:05,536 --> 00:45:10,207 Strauss knew about the testing and all that stuff. 1036 00:45:13,127 --> 00:45:14,712 They brought us in, 1037 00:45:14,795 --> 00:45:17,715 like, to do B12 shots, they said. 1038 00:45:17,798 --> 00:45:19,842 I mean, I'd done B12 shots before, 1039 00:45:19,967 --> 00:45:22,344 but this was different. 1040 00:45:22,469 --> 00:45:25,431 It was right before, like, Big Tens and nationals. 1041 00:45:25,514 --> 00:45:28,267 I remember they gave us a pretty big shot. 1042 00:45:28,350 --> 00:45:30,978 They said it was B12, but I don't think it was B12. 1043 00:45:31,061 --> 00:45:33,605 I thought it might've been some testosterone. 1044 00:45:33,689 --> 00:45:35,607 [woman] Did it make you feel any different? 1045 00:45:35,691 --> 00:45:37,317 I felt good. [laughs] 1046 00:45:37,401 --> 00:45:38,861 I felt real good. 1047 00:45:38,986 --> 00:45:40,529 [crowd cheering] 1048 00:45:40,654 --> 00:45:44,533 I just felt energy and just recovery was quicker. 1049 00:45:45,993 --> 00:45:48,704 I don't think B12 does that for you. 1050 00:45:49,496 --> 00:45:51,415 [crowd cheering] 1051 00:45:54,001 --> 00:45:55,461 [music fades] 1052 00:45:55,544 --> 00:45:57,463 There was this container we had that said, 1053 00:45:57,546 --> 00:45:59,339 "For animal use only." 1054 00:45:59,423 --> 00:46:01,759 And we used to call it the animal juice. 1055 00:46:02,342 --> 00:46:04,136 [woman] Did it come from Dr. Strauss? 1056 00:46:04,219 --> 00:46:05,262 [Knight] Yeah. 1057 00:46:05,345 --> 00:46:07,181 And I don't know. 1058 00:46:07,306 --> 00:46:10,017 It seemed that a lot of people were getting big at Ohio State 1059 00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:11,560 in the late '80s and early '90s. 1060 00:46:11,685 --> 00:46:14,062 [soft music playing] 1061 00:46:15,856 --> 00:46:17,775 [Wertheim] As if the decks weren't stacked enough 1062 00:46:17,858 --> 00:46:20,277 in his side, this gives Richard Strauss another piece 1063 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,237 of potentially compromising information. 1064 00:46:22,362 --> 00:46:24,323 If he were to say, 1065 00:46:24,406 --> 00:46:26,241 "Oh, that guy's just blowing the whistle on me 1066 00:46:26,366 --> 00:46:28,118 because I was giving him steroids," 1067 00:46:28,202 --> 00:46:30,954 that's enough to get your scholarship taken away. 1068 00:46:31,038 --> 00:46:33,582 And obviously, think about it, if you're the coach 1069 00:46:33,707 --> 00:46:36,376 and you know that the doctor is distributing steroids 1070 00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:38,128 to your athletes, 1071 00:46:38,212 --> 00:46:40,297 or if you're the athletic director, 1072 00:46:41,381 --> 00:46:43,926 wouldn't you be reluctant to turn on that team doctor? 1073 00:46:44,051 --> 00:46:46,136 And, come of it what may, and perhaps 1074 00:46:46,220 --> 00:46:48,096 the team doctor, uh, plays dirty. 1075 00:46:48,222 --> 00:46:50,682 At some level, you wonder who did the calculus of, 1076 00:46:50,766 --> 00:46:52,684 "You know what, it's better to be quiet 1077 00:46:52,768 --> 00:46:54,645 because if we do the right thing 1078 00:46:54,728 --> 00:46:56,855 and we get rid of this guy and this goes public, 1079 00:46:56,939 --> 00:46:58,190 it's gonna be a mess." 1080 00:47:00,150 --> 00:47:03,445 But I also think this story is more complicated than steroids, 1081 00:47:03,570 --> 00:47:05,364 and it's not the sole or main reason 1082 00:47:05,447 --> 00:47:06,865 people didn't talk about it. 1083 00:47:07,407 --> 00:47:09,910 People could not, and I-I use past tense, 1084 00:47:10,035 --> 00:47:12,788 I think, to some extent, still cannot wrap 1085 00:47:12,913 --> 00:47:15,249 their brains around, how could this have happened? 1086 00:47:15,374 --> 00:47:17,209 How could these guys, 1087 00:47:17,292 --> 00:47:19,545 18-, 19-, 20-year-old athletes, 1088 00:47:19,628 --> 00:47:23,215 how in the world could they be the victims 1089 00:47:23,298 --> 00:47:24,716 of sexual assault? 1090 00:47:27,052 --> 00:47:30,264 [Marshall] And so we return to that foundation of shame. 1091 00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:33,851 We don't like to look at men 1092 00:47:33,934 --> 00:47:36,770 as being victims in this way, 1093 00:47:36,854 --> 00:47:39,189 and that has hurt them 1094 00:47:39,273 --> 00:47:42,609 not only in the way that what people believe about them, 1095 00:47:42,693 --> 00:47:47,114 but in what they believe and believed about themselves. 1096 00:47:48,365 --> 00:47:51,451 Richard Strauss used that to his advantage. 1097 00:47:52,786 --> 00:47:55,122 Strauss didn't abuse everyone. 1098 00:47:55,706 --> 00:47:59,459 He had a way of honing in on these young men 1099 00:47:59,543 --> 00:48:03,130 who were mostly from rural communities, 1100 00:48:03,255 --> 00:48:06,049 who probably spent all of their time in high school 1101 00:48:06,133 --> 00:48:07,634 focusing on athletics, 1102 00:48:07,759 --> 00:48:09,845 who were inexperienced sexually, 1103 00:48:10,554 --> 00:48:11,680 and naive. 1104 00:48:11,805 --> 00:48:13,724 [indistinct announcement] 1105 00:48:13,807 --> 00:48:15,851 A lot of them, first time in their family 1106 00:48:15,976 --> 00:48:17,394 that someone made it to college, 1107 00:48:17,477 --> 00:48:18,896 and they were totally dependent 1108 00:48:18,979 --> 00:48:20,439 on this athletic scholarship. 1109 00:48:21,023 --> 00:48:24,192 He knew how to hone in on those men, 1110 00:48:24,318 --> 00:48:26,278 and he would groom them 1111 00:48:26,361 --> 00:48:27,529 for more. 1112 00:48:27,654 --> 00:48:29,698 [solemn music playing] 1113 00:48:29,823 --> 00:48:32,326 [Ratliff] He was always being nice to you, 1114 00:48:32,451 --> 00:48:33,785 being complimentary. 1115 00:48:33,869 --> 00:48:35,537 He was totally manipulating you. 1116 00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:40,042 But you had no concept that that's what's going on. 1117 00:48:40,667 --> 00:48:43,795 At the time, when you're 18, 19, 20 years old, 1118 00:48:43,879 --> 00:48:46,298 you don't-- you've never heard of-- 1119 00:48:46,381 --> 00:48:48,550 of predators. 1120 00:48:48,675 --> 00:48:51,386 You never heard of grooming. 1121 00:48:51,511 --> 00:48:53,764 Especially the term "grooming." I don't-- 1122 00:48:53,847 --> 00:48:55,432 Never heard of that before. 1123 00:48:55,515 --> 00:48:58,477 And that's exactly what he did. 1124 00:48:59,853 --> 00:49:01,855 He ingratiated himself with you. 1125 00:49:02,773 --> 00:49:04,483 He became your friend. 1126 00:49:05,525 --> 00:49:07,736 He would take photos of guys. 1127 00:49:07,861 --> 00:49:09,988 He would give you his card and tell you 1128 00:49:10,072 --> 00:49:12,366 he can start a modeling career for you. 1129 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,869 I mean, we'd often see him around with a camera. 1130 00:49:15,953 --> 00:49:17,704 [camera shutter clicking] 1131 00:49:21,083 --> 00:49:22,501 He took pictures of Jim Jordan 1132 00:49:22,584 --> 00:49:24,294 for Russ Hellickson's book. 1133 00:49:25,754 --> 00:49:27,673 [Knight] Oh, Doc takes photos? 1134 00:49:28,465 --> 00:49:30,550 And the weird thing, you hear that he's, like, 1135 00:49:30,676 --> 00:49:33,220 really good at it, he takes really good black-and-whites. 1136 00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:36,264 And we heard this one wrestler got a photo shoot 1137 00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:40,143 and... and it got some modeling stuff out of it, 1138 00:49:40,227 --> 00:49:41,853 got a modeling contract, 1139 00:49:41,937 --> 00:49:43,897 and he started having success as a model. 1140 00:49:44,564 --> 00:49:46,441 You know, made money. 1141 00:49:46,566 --> 00:49:47,901 And it was like, "Wow. 1142 00:49:47,985 --> 00:49:49,778 Okay." You know? 1143 00:49:49,903 --> 00:49:52,906 [soft, tense music fades] 1144 00:49:53,031 --> 00:49:55,200 During the summertime, I was trying to get 1145 00:49:55,283 --> 00:49:57,244 into some modeling stuff 1146 00:49:57,327 --> 00:49:59,287 just to make some extra money. 1147 00:50:00,414 --> 00:50:01,999 And, 1148 00:50:02,082 --> 00:50:03,625 uh, Dr. Strauss said, 1149 00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:06,086 "If you need shots, I can do it. 1150 00:50:06,211 --> 00:50:07,921 I-I'm a photographer." 1151 00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:11,550 I'm like a-- I'm a poor college student, you know? 1152 00:50:11,633 --> 00:50:13,802 I'm like, "How much is it gonna be?" 1153 00:50:13,927 --> 00:50:15,262 He goes, "Don't worry about it. 1154 00:50:15,387 --> 00:50:16,555 I-I do this for-- 1155 00:50:16,638 --> 00:50:17,723 just for the fun of it." 1156 00:50:19,016 --> 00:50:22,227 So, I went to his house. 1157 00:50:22,310 --> 00:50:24,896 [soft, uneasy music playing] 1158 00:50:24,980 --> 00:50:27,441 [breathes deeply] 1159 00:50:27,566 --> 00:50:30,193 He, uh, he had his little studio set up 1160 00:50:30,277 --> 00:50:33,155 in one of his rooms, and he goes, 1161 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,741 "Let's take some shots without your shirt on." 1162 00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:38,243 [camera shutter clicks] 1163 00:50:39,953 --> 00:50:43,623 And I took a couple shots without my shirt on. 1164 00:50:43,707 --> 00:50:44,833 [flash fires] 1165 00:50:44,958 --> 00:50:47,210 And then he's kinda putting 1166 00:50:47,294 --> 00:50:48,962 his hands on me. 1167 00:50:49,046 --> 00:50:52,466 And he starts pulling my pants down and... 1168 00:50:53,717 --> 00:50:55,802 I'm like, "Mm-mm. No. 1169 00:50:56,386 --> 00:50:57,429 Not doing that." 1170 00:50:57,512 --> 00:50:59,806 [uneasy music continues] 1171 00:51:00,307 --> 00:51:03,226 [breathes deeply] 1172 00:51:03,310 --> 00:51:06,396 He, uh, he brought out the-the negatives and said, 1173 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,108 "Hey, let's-- you know, what about these pictures?" 1174 00:51:10,984 --> 00:51:13,320 So we got back to the pictures and... 1175 00:51:15,155 --> 00:51:17,240 You know, I look back on a situation like that, 1176 00:51:17,324 --> 00:51:19,534 I'm like, I put myself in that position, you know? 1177 00:51:19,659 --> 00:51:21,203 Why would I do that? 1178 00:51:21,828 --> 00:51:24,081 I mean, I know how this guy is, 1179 00:51:24,748 --> 00:51:26,500 and I put myself in that position. 1180 00:51:26,625 --> 00:51:30,253 So, I'm like, am I bringing this on to myself? 1181 00:51:30,337 --> 00:51:32,172 Am I-- You know? 1182 00:51:32,297 --> 00:51:34,382 Why did I put myself in that position? 1183 00:51:36,510 --> 00:51:37,803 But I did. 1184 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,353 I started being told many times, 1185 00:51:46,478 --> 00:51:48,855 "You're Dr. Strauss's favorite, aren't you? He is. 1186 00:51:48,939 --> 00:51:51,149 You're Dr. Strauss's favorite." 1187 00:51:51,233 --> 00:51:52,776 And just like that, 1188 00:51:52,859 --> 00:51:56,404 Dr. Strauss was always there. 1189 00:51:57,364 --> 00:51:58,573 So, yeah. 1190 00:51:59,533 --> 00:52:01,451 -[indistinct shouting] -Shit, man! 1191 00:52:01,535 --> 00:52:03,453 Push him, Dan, push him! 1192 00:52:04,621 --> 00:52:06,540 [indistinct muffled chatter] 1193 00:52:07,958 --> 00:52:09,668 [Novakowski] He was always there. 1194 00:52:10,544 --> 00:52:12,838 You'd come off the ice, and he's there. 1195 00:52:12,921 --> 00:52:15,173 [tense music playing] 1196 00:52:16,883 --> 00:52:19,636 And, of course, if anything happened, 1197 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,429 he would check you. 1198 00:52:21,972 --> 00:52:23,431 You didn't have a choice. 1199 00:52:25,892 --> 00:52:28,061 At that level, you're supposed to compartmentalize, 1200 00:52:28,145 --> 00:52:29,229 put your shit away, 1201 00:52:29,312 --> 00:52:31,064 you're on the ice doing your job. 1202 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,817 And I just couldn't. 1203 00:52:35,068 --> 00:52:37,070 -[door opens, creaks] -[wheels rattle] 1204 00:52:37,154 --> 00:52:38,738 I just could never get my shit together. 1205 00:52:39,948 --> 00:52:42,701 In practice, you're like, "What was that all about?" 1206 00:52:44,786 --> 00:52:47,539 You run drills in practice, and I was having trouble 1207 00:52:47,622 --> 00:52:49,291 remembering what the next thing was. 1208 00:52:49,416 --> 00:52:50,542 I mean, I was a mess. 1209 00:52:52,586 --> 00:52:55,589 I was focused. I mean, I was a machine 1210 00:52:55,714 --> 00:52:58,592 coming here, and then the-the wheels came off. 1211 00:52:59,759 --> 00:53:02,345 [announcer] Another fight, Al Nova-- Novakowski. 1212 00:53:02,429 --> 00:53:04,639 [Novakowski] You've got no one to talk to 1213 00:53:04,764 --> 00:53:06,391 'cause you don't know that you're the only one 1214 00:53:06,474 --> 00:53:07,767 this is happening to, 1215 00:53:08,351 --> 00:53:11,771 and it just continued to spiral. 1216 00:53:13,023 --> 00:53:14,733 I was never the same person. 1217 00:53:16,109 --> 00:53:19,112 [dramatic beat plays, fades] 1218 00:53:21,114 --> 00:53:22,741 I remember 1219 00:53:22,824 --> 00:53:25,452 it was Sunday morning, and I slept in. 1220 00:53:26,161 --> 00:53:28,038 You don't sleep in. You don't miss practice. 1221 00:53:28,121 --> 00:53:29,873 And I remember getting there and going, like, 1222 00:53:29,956 --> 00:53:31,583 "Oh, my God, I'm in so much trouble." 1223 00:53:34,127 --> 00:53:36,630 I went to the coach's office 1224 00:53:36,755 --> 00:53:40,383 and said, "Look, I'm-- I'm really sorry, you know?" 1225 00:53:41,051 --> 00:53:42,594 He said, "You're done." 1226 00:53:43,970 --> 00:53:45,555 Said, "Uh, what do you mean I'm done?" 1227 00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:47,641 He goes, "You're nothing but a fucking cancer 1228 00:53:47,766 --> 00:53:49,267 to this hockey team." 1229 00:53:50,477 --> 00:53:55,273 And my whole body just kinda-- just kind of, uh... 1230 00:53:55,357 --> 00:53:58,235 [solemn music playing] 1231 00:53:58,318 --> 00:54:00,195 He just ended my dream. 1232 00:54:01,988 --> 00:54:04,241 My whole world has just exploded. 1233 00:54:05,867 --> 00:54:07,535 I didn't know what to say to him, 1234 00:54:07,661 --> 00:54:08,995 and I got up, 1235 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,497 and... [spluttering] 1236 00:54:10,622 --> 00:54:12,999 ...I left the rink and I never went back. 1237 00:54:23,176 --> 00:54:25,303 [Ritchie] I remember, during practice, 1238 00:54:25,387 --> 00:54:27,347 I separated my shoulder, 1239 00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:29,140 and Russ said, "Go have Dr. Strauss 1240 00:54:29,224 --> 00:54:30,558 check out your shoulder." 1241 00:54:30,684 --> 00:54:32,269 [sighs] "Okay. 1242 00:54:32,352 --> 00:54:33,353 Here we go." 1243 00:54:33,436 --> 00:54:36,606 [foreboding music playing] 1244 00:54:36,690 --> 00:54:37,774 [wheels rattling] 1245 00:54:37,857 --> 00:54:40,068 And I'm standing there 1246 00:54:40,193 --> 00:54:41,903 naked in front of this man. 1247 00:54:42,612 --> 00:54:44,739 [light clicks] 1248 00:54:44,864 --> 00:54:46,700 Does the same exam. 1249 00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:50,287 You know, rubbing behind your-your testicles, 1250 00:54:50,370 --> 00:54:52,664 and then pulling on my-my penis, 1251 00:54:52,747 --> 00:54:54,499 and kind of giving it some pulls. 1252 00:54:54,582 --> 00:54:56,334 And I'm-I'm tense, 1253 00:54:56,418 --> 00:54:58,545 and I'm staring up at the ceiling like, 1254 00:54:58,628 --> 00:55:00,171 "Please let this end, please let this end, 1255 00:55:00,255 --> 00:55:01,464 please let this end." 1256 00:55:01,548 --> 00:55:02,799 He kept going, 1257 00:55:02,882 --> 00:55:04,050 and I'm looking down 1258 00:55:04,134 --> 00:55:05,385 at the top of his head. 1259 00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:06,845 That's how close he was. 1260 00:55:06,928 --> 00:55:08,638 He leans in 1261 00:55:08,722 --> 00:55:10,015 as he's doing this, 1262 00:55:10,098 --> 00:55:11,266 and when he does, 1263 00:55:11,391 --> 00:55:12,517 I start pulling away. 1264 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:13,893 I pull my hips away, 1265 00:55:13,977 --> 00:55:15,312 and then he leans back and says, 1266 00:55:15,395 --> 00:55:16,646 "All right, pull 'em up." 1267 00:55:17,230 --> 00:55:20,233 I pulled them up, didn't say two words to him, I left. 1268 00:55:22,944 --> 00:55:24,654 I didn't go to practice. 1269 00:55:25,739 --> 00:55:28,074 I vanished for a couple weeks. 1270 00:55:29,492 --> 00:55:31,369 [soft music playing] 1271 00:55:31,453 --> 00:55:34,039 Finally, I went into Russ's office. 1272 00:55:35,749 --> 00:55:37,292 And I said, "Russ, 1273 00:55:37,417 --> 00:55:38,793 I'm done. 1274 00:55:39,461 --> 00:55:40,670 I can't do this." 1275 00:55:41,921 --> 00:55:43,631 And he said, "Well... 1276 00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:46,968 if you want to come back, 1277 00:55:47,093 --> 00:55:48,720 you can always come back, 1278 00:55:48,803 --> 00:55:50,930 but all right then." 1279 00:55:51,014 --> 00:55:52,724 And that's what I got from him. 1280 00:55:53,433 --> 00:55:55,310 After wrestling for three years, 1281 00:55:55,435 --> 00:55:58,271 that was the extent of the conversation. 1282 00:55:59,773 --> 00:56:01,649 And that was the last time 1283 00:56:01,775 --> 00:56:03,943 that I was on that team. 1284 00:56:04,027 --> 00:56:06,154 I walked away from wrestling 1285 00:56:06,279 --> 00:56:07,655 at Ohio State, 1286 00:56:08,615 --> 00:56:10,825 and I dropped out of school 1287 00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:13,536 because I didn't have my scholarship anymore. 1288 00:56:14,371 --> 00:56:17,999 [announcer] And the state champion, Dan Ritchie. 1289 00:56:18,124 --> 00:56:20,001 [crowd cheering] 1290 00:56:21,044 --> 00:56:22,629 [Ritchie] My dad was so angry. 1291 00:56:23,630 --> 00:56:26,174 My dad was like, "You have a year and a half left. 1292 00:56:26,299 --> 00:56:27,342 Why can't you do it?" 1293 00:56:28,385 --> 00:56:30,553 And I couldn't tell him. 1294 00:56:31,304 --> 00:56:32,806 I didn't know how. 1295 00:56:35,183 --> 00:56:37,268 I was not strong enough or able 1296 00:56:37,352 --> 00:56:40,480 to explain to him that... 1297 00:56:40,563 --> 00:56:42,357 [sniffles, swallows] 1298 00:56:42,482 --> 00:56:44,150 ...this is... [sighs] 1299 00:56:45,068 --> 00:56:46,778 ...this is what happened. 1300 00:56:49,531 --> 00:56:53,535 And... I can't-- I can't deal with it. 1301 00:56:53,660 --> 00:56:55,036 [sniffles] 1302 00:56:57,872 --> 00:56:59,249 And I think... 1303 00:56:59,916 --> 00:57:02,752 I think the inability of that... 1304 00:57:05,004 --> 00:57:08,967 it did put a negative, uh... 1305 00:57:12,846 --> 00:57:16,724 Our relationship hasn't been the same, I think, since. 1306 00:57:17,892 --> 00:57:21,020 [somber music playing] 1307 00:57:23,523 --> 00:57:25,233 [woman] Did you tell your parents? 1308 00:57:26,526 --> 00:57:29,028 Did I tell my parents my scholarship was pulled? 1309 00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:33,032 No. No. 1310 00:57:34,367 --> 00:57:35,410 No. 1311 00:57:37,954 --> 00:57:39,664 What's-- What's-- [chuckles] 1312 00:57:39,747 --> 00:57:42,292 What's-- What's the next question gonna be? 1313 00:57:42,375 --> 00:57:44,711 "Why-- Why are you kicked off the team?" 1314 00:57:44,794 --> 00:57:46,421 Um, telling your parents, 1315 00:57:46,546 --> 00:57:49,382 who are, you know, they're-they're... 1316 00:57:49,507 --> 00:57:51,176 Ah, I mean... 1317 00:57:52,260 --> 00:57:54,596 No, I did not tell my parents I was kicked off the team, 1318 00:57:54,721 --> 00:57:58,224 and I did not tell them I lost my scholarship. Uh... 1319 00:57:58,308 --> 00:58:00,101 Told some people I wasn't playing anymore, 1320 00:58:00,226 --> 00:58:01,561 and they said, "Well, how come?" 1321 00:58:01,644 --> 00:58:03,480 I just told them I wasn't good enough. 1322 00:58:05,565 --> 00:58:08,735 Had some people going like, "What are you talking about?" 1323 00:58:08,818 --> 00:58:10,653 Especially some of the guys who knew me, 1324 00:58:10,737 --> 00:58:13,781 some of the old coaches, guys who'd watched me play junior. 1325 00:58:13,907 --> 00:58:16,451 Like, "What are you... talking about?" 1326 00:58:16,576 --> 00:58:18,203 And I would just avoid the question. 1327 00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:22,624 But I-I internalized that lie, I guess. 1328 00:58:22,749 --> 00:58:24,626 I started drinking quite a bit 1329 00:58:24,751 --> 00:58:27,378 and descended into depression. 1330 00:58:29,088 --> 00:58:30,798 [bell tolls] 1331 00:58:33,635 --> 00:58:36,012 [Wertheim] Meanwhile, Dr. Strauss is ascending 1332 00:58:36,095 --> 00:58:37,430 and expanding. 1333 00:58:38,848 --> 00:58:40,517 So imagine this, here's a guy who has 1334 00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:41,893 this welter of complaints 1335 00:58:41,976 --> 00:58:43,478 going back more than a decade, 1336 00:58:43,603 --> 00:58:45,146 and what does Ohio State do? 1337 00:58:45,271 --> 00:58:47,524 [suspenseful music playing] 1338 00:58:47,607 --> 00:58:48,942 They promote him. 1339 00:58:50,276 --> 00:58:53,863 He becomes the main physician at OSU's general health center. 1340 00:58:53,947 --> 00:58:56,157 You say, "Wait a second. What?! 1341 00:58:56,282 --> 00:58:57,909 Everyone knew this. 1342 00:58:57,992 --> 00:58:59,410 The team doctor showers 1343 00:58:59,494 --> 00:59:01,162 with the athletes over and over, 1344 00:59:01,287 --> 00:59:03,122 and you promote this guy?" 1345 00:59:03,248 --> 00:59:06,626 But that's bafflingly exactly what Ohio State does. 1346 00:59:06,751 --> 00:59:09,420 And so, Dr. Strauss continues what he's been doing 1347 00:59:09,504 --> 00:59:11,923 for the last decade-plus, 1348 00:59:12,006 --> 00:59:14,342 which is assaulting college-age males 1349 00:59:15,051 --> 00:59:17,845 under the guise of being a medical professional. 1350 00:59:20,473 --> 00:59:21,599 [music fades] 1351 00:59:21,683 --> 00:59:23,268 I had a lump on my chest, 1352 00:59:23,351 --> 00:59:25,645 so I decided that I needed to go get it checked. 1353 00:59:25,728 --> 00:59:27,313 So I looked up in the student directory 1354 00:59:27,397 --> 00:59:29,148 and saw that there was a medical center 1355 00:59:29,232 --> 00:59:30,525 and went there. 1356 00:59:31,693 --> 00:59:34,487 And they said, "We're gonna give you to Dr. Strauss." 1357 00:59:34,571 --> 00:59:35,863 This physician walks in, 1358 00:59:35,989 --> 00:59:38,116 he was kind of a smaller type guy. 1359 00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:39,993 Seemed polite enough. 1360 00:59:40,118 --> 00:59:41,786 And he started asking me, 1361 00:59:41,869 --> 00:59:43,580 you know, questions about what had happened, 1362 00:59:43,663 --> 00:59:45,790 and, you know, what I was there for, 1363 00:59:45,873 --> 00:59:48,418 then he started to get into some really weird questions 1364 00:59:48,501 --> 00:59:51,671 about if I was gay and just all kinds of stuff, 1365 00:59:51,754 --> 00:59:53,464 and it was just really odd to me. 1366 00:59:53,548 --> 00:59:55,008 And then he made me de-clothe. 1367 00:59:55,091 --> 00:59:56,718 He had me get completely naked, 1368 00:59:56,843 --> 00:59:59,429 which just seemed very weird to me as well, 1369 00:59:59,512 --> 01:00:01,931 but again, he's a medical doctor, I was a kid, you know? 1370 01:00:02,015 --> 01:00:05,310 I-I thought I gotta listen to whatever this guy says to do. 1371 01:00:05,393 --> 01:00:09,022 And he, uh, proceeded to give me a genital examination. 1372 01:00:09,105 --> 01:00:11,399 [tense music playing] 1373 01:00:11,524 --> 01:00:13,776 And I don't remember any gloves being used. 1374 01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,279 And I can remember his breath. 1375 01:00:16,362 --> 01:00:18,197 Like, I can remember his breath on my genitals 1376 01:00:18,323 --> 01:00:19,449 when he was examining them. 1377 01:00:20,617 --> 01:00:23,119 Then he asked, you know, if I ever wanted to sleep 1378 01:00:23,202 --> 01:00:25,121 with more than just one person. 1379 01:00:25,204 --> 01:00:27,582 At that point, I was starting to get really uncomfortable 1380 01:00:27,707 --> 01:00:29,500 because I understood something wasn't right. 1381 01:00:30,877 --> 01:00:32,795 Then he was holding my chest 1382 01:00:32,879 --> 01:00:35,298 and he was like massaging it, and that's when he started 1383 01:00:35,381 --> 01:00:37,300 to thrust his pelvis into my side, 1384 01:00:37,383 --> 01:00:39,552 and I-I could tell that he had an erection, 1385 01:00:39,636 --> 01:00:41,012 and then I was just mortified 1386 01:00:41,095 --> 01:00:42,847 'cause I just didn't know what to do. 1387 01:00:42,930 --> 01:00:45,058 Then I'm trying to get out of the situation 1388 01:00:45,183 --> 01:00:46,601 the best that I could. 1389 01:00:47,268 --> 01:00:48,561 And I left. 1390 01:00:48,645 --> 01:00:49,812 [door creaking] 1391 01:00:50,813 --> 01:00:53,107 And I remember, I was so angry. 1392 01:00:53,232 --> 01:00:54,484 I called the next day, 1393 01:00:54,567 --> 01:00:56,110 and I got Ted Grace on the phone, 1394 01:00:56,235 --> 01:00:58,112 the head of Student Services. 1395 01:00:58,237 --> 01:01:00,365 He said, "Well, you know, if you want to come in here, 1396 01:01:00,448 --> 01:01:03,701 we can try to talk about this and sit down with Strauss." 1397 01:01:04,285 --> 01:01:06,204 I think it's really relevant 1398 01:01:06,287 --> 01:01:09,248 that what is, in effect, the first whistleblower 1399 01:01:09,332 --> 01:01:11,042 is not an athlete. 1400 01:01:11,751 --> 01:01:13,628 Steve Snyder-Hill doesn't have to worry 1401 01:01:13,753 --> 01:01:15,505 about the power balance that comes with, 1402 01:01:15,588 --> 01:01:17,173 "Hey, I could lose my scholarship," 1403 01:01:17,256 --> 01:01:19,384 or the shame in the locker room. 1404 01:01:19,467 --> 01:01:21,219 So he has that power. 1405 01:01:21,302 --> 01:01:23,096 [woman] Raise your right hand, please. 1406 01:01:23,179 --> 01:01:25,348 Do you swear the testimony you're about to give will be 1407 01:01:25,431 --> 01:01:27,850 the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? 1408 01:01:27,934 --> 01:01:29,268 -I do. -Thank you. 1409 01:01:31,145 --> 01:01:32,897 -[man] Morning, Dr. Grace. -Good morning. 1410 01:01:32,980 --> 01:01:34,982 [man] My name is Ilann Maazel. 1411 01:01:43,366 --> 01:01:46,786 My firm is most well-known for taking on 1412 01:01:46,869 --> 01:01:48,788 powerful interests, the city, the state, 1413 01:01:48,913 --> 01:01:50,665 the United States government, 1414 01:01:50,790 --> 01:01:52,959 uh, lots of big companies, 1415 01:01:53,084 --> 01:01:54,919 lots of important, powerful people, 1416 01:01:55,002 --> 01:01:56,421 and speaking truth to power. 1417 01:01:56,504 --> 01:01:57,547 That's what we do. 1418 01:01:58,339 --> 01:01:59,924 Dr. Strauss was under your command 1419 01:02:00,007 --> 01:02:01,342 at Student Health, correct? 1420 01:02:02,009 --> 01:02:03,136 Correct. 1421 01:02:03,970 --> 01:02:06,013 [Maazel] Dr. Grace, I would say, 1422 01:02:06,139 --> 01:02:07,724 was the only person at OSU 1423 01:02:07,807 --> 01:02:10,351 who ever did anything about Dr. Strauss. 1424 01:02:11,060 --> 01:02:14,021 And the scary thing is, I think that's true. 1425 01:02:14,147 --> 01:02:17,358 He's the one and only person who ever did anything 1426 01:02:17,483 --> 01:02:20,570 about Dr. Strauss for 20 years. 1427 01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,990 And it began, finally, in 1995. 1428 01:02:24,115 --> 01:02:28,244 You attended a meeting with Mr. Snyder-Hill 1429 01:02:28,327 --> 01:02:29,829 and Dr. Strauss, right? 1430 01:02:29,912 --> 01:02:30,913 Correct. 1431 01:02:31,873 --> 01:02:34,834 So I walked in, and there was Dr. Strauss. 1432 01:02:36,335 --> 01:02:38,254 Dr. Strauss was really cordial, 1433 01:02:38,337 --> 01:02:39,881 but then when I said the part about 1434 01:02:40,006 --> 01:02:41,466 where he pushed his erection against me, 1435 01:02:41,549 --> 01:02:43,509 he slammed down on the table really hard 1436 01:02:43,634 --> 01:02:46,179 and screamed, "You're just trying to ruin my reputation!" 1437 01:02:46,262 --> 01:02:48,931 [tense, suspenseful music playing] 1438 01:02:49,015 --> 01:02:51,309 I remember just being frozen 'cause, you know, I was a kid 1439 01:02:51,392 --> 01:02:53,311 and I looked at these doctors in the room 1440 01:02:53,394 --> 01:02:56,105 and I-I was like, "I don't know what to say right now," 1441 01:02:56,189 --> 01:02:58,816 and neither did they. They were just all in shock. 1442 01:02:58,900 --> 01:03:01,235 You know, you doubt yourself because you're sitting here 1443 01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,614 thinking, "Well, maybe he had a wallet in his pocket. 1444 01:03:04,697 --> 01:03:06,741 Maybe I was confused and mistaken." 1445 01:03:07,366 --> 01:03:09,368 And so, after that, you know, I went out, 1446 01:03:09,452 --> 01:03:11,454 and I was just upset at the time. 1447 01:03:11,537 --> 01:03:13,623 Left. Ted Grace called me later 1448 01:03:13,706 --> 01:03:15,792 and he said, "What can we do to make this right?" 1449 01:03:15,875 --> 01:03:18,294 And I said, "If you tell me I'm confused and mistaken, 1450 01:03:18,377 --> 01:03:20,546 I will believe you if you can tell me 1451 01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:22,089 it never happened to anybody else." 1452 01:03:22,215 --> 01:03:23,841 And then that's what he said, you know, 1453 01:03:23,925 --> 01:03:25,468 "I promise you it's never happened." 1454 01:03:25,551 --> 01:03:26,969 And so then I said, "Great, 1455 01:03:27,053 --> 01:03:28,805 then put it in a letter to me." 1456 01:03:28,888 --> 01:03:30,932 And there was silence on the phone. 1457 01:03:31,057 --> 01:03:32,767 Like, I could tell that bothered him. 1458 01:03:32,892 --> 01:03:35,937 But a couple days later, I got a letter from him. 1459 01:03:36,604 --> 01:03:39,357 [Maazel] This is a letter you wrote 1460 01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,943 Stephen Snyder-Hill on January 26th, 1995. 1461 01:03:42,068 --> 01:03:43,486 -Correct? -Correct. 1462 01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:46,489 [Maazel] And you wrote, quote... 1463 01:03:46,572 --> 01:03:48,616 [reading highlighted text] 1464 01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:53,663 Close quote. 1465 01:03:54,413 --> 01:03:56,290 Now, that was actually a false statement. 1466 01:03:56,415 --> 01:03:57,583 -Correct? -Correct. 1467 01:03:58,751 --> 01:04:00,837 [Snyder-Hill] Now I find out 24 years later 1468 01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,589 that a kid complained three days before me. 1469 01:04:04,340 --> 01:04:06,008 Three days before me. 1470 01:04:06,467 --> 01:04:09,595 [Maazel] Did you ever tell Stephen Snyder-Hill 1471 01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:11,931 about this student's complaint? 1472 01:04:12,056 --> 01:04:15,268 [tense music playing] 1473 01:04:15,393 --> 01:04:17,603 I don't believe I did. 1474 01:04:21,649 --> 01:04:24,235 I, by the way, would like to add this 1475 01:04:24,318 --> 01:04:26,070 to the record, if you don't mind. 1476 01:04:26,153 --> 01:04:27,738 -Go ahead. -I didn't realize 1477 01:04:27,822 --> 01:04:30,533 that-that I had made a misstatement 1478 01:04:30,616 --> 01:04:31,659 until recently. 1479 01:04:32,493 --> 01:04:34,537 [Maazel] But you wrote this letter 23 days 1480 01:04:34,620 --> 01:04:36,539 after this student's complaint, right? 1481 01:04:36,622 --> 01:04:37,623 I know. 1482 01:04:37,748 --> 01:04:39,959 But it-it-- it was-- 1483 01:04:40,793 --> 01:04:42,587 I don't-- I'm guessing 1484 01:04:42,670 --> 01:04:46,424 that I didn't yet know about the first complaint 1485 01:04:46,507 --> 01:04:49,135 when I wrote this 'cause there's no-- 1486 01:04:49,218 --> 01:04:51,762 I would not have-- I be-- No, you don't know me, 1487 01:04:51,846 --> 01:04:53,848 but I wouldn't intentionally lie to Stephen Hill. 1488 01:04:53,973 --> 01:04:55,308 There's no reason to. 1489 01:04:55,391 --> 01:04:56,851 [Maazel] Well, Stephen Hill told you 1490 01:04:56,976 --> 01:04:59,645 that if there had been any prior complaints 1491 01:04:59,770 --> 01:05:02,023 against Dr.-- let me finish-- against Dr. Strauss, 1492 01:05:02,148 --> 01:05:04,317 he was not gonna drop the charges, right? 1493 01:05:04,442 --> 01:05:05,610 That's what he told you. 1494 01:05:05,693 --> 01:05:06,986 And what does-- 1495 01:05:07,111 --> 01:05:08,571 What does "drop the charges" mean? 1496 01:05:08,654 --> 01:05:10,406 [Maazel] Can you answer that question, please? 1497 01:05:10,489 --> 01:05:12,116 He told you, "You need to tell me 1498 01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:13,576 there's never been a prior complaint, 1499 01:05:13,659 --> 01:05:15,077 or I'm not dropping the charges." 1500 01:05:15,161 --> 01:05:16,787 That's what these notes say. 1501 01:05:16,871 --> 01:05:18,372 [Maazel] And we're talking about charges 1502 01:05:18,497 --> 01:05:20,374 of sexual misconduct and sexual assault 1503 01:05:20,499 --> 01:05:23,711 against your doctor, Dr. Strauss, right? 1504 01:05:23,836 --> 01:05:25,504 That is-- That is correct. 1505 01:05:25,630 --> 01:05:28,132 I mean, I-I wanted to get that on the record. 1506 01:05:28,215 --> 01:05:30,009 I made a mistake 1507 01:05:30,092 --> 01:05:31,844 when I told him that. 1508 01:05:32,345 --> 01:05:34,263 [Snyder-Hill] They lied to me. They told me 1509 01:05:34,347 --> 01:05:35,932 what to believe and I believed them, 1510 01:05:36,015 --> 01:05:37,975 and I-I took their word for it. 1511 01:05:38,059 --> 01:05:40,186 And so, I went about my life 1512 01:05:41,020 --> 01:05:43,314 believing I had been wrong about this man. 1513 01:05:45,107 --> 01:05:47,276 And it was so beyond what I imagined. 1514 01:05:48,277 --> 01:05:49,528 So beyond. 1515 01:05:49,654 --> 01:05:51,948 [engine humming] 1516 01:05:55,534 --> 01:05:56,953 [music fades] 1517 01:05:57,036 --> 01:05:58,913 One evening, I wasn't feeling great 1518 01:05:59,038 --> 01:06:00,456 and I was having trouble swallowing. 1519 01:06:00,539 --> 01:06:04,210 I think probably it was too much vodka or whatever. 1520 01:06:04,293 --> 01:06:05,920 So my roommate gave me a ride down 1521 01:06:06,045 --> 01:06:07,797 to the Student Health Center, 1522 01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:11,050 and I went in, you know, like a normal student, 1523 01:06:11,133 --> 01:06:12,718 which kinda sucked because I was used 1524 01:06:12,802 --> 01:06:14,595 to being an athlete and you're, you know... 1525 01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,389 But I was a normal student at the time, 1526 01:06:16,472 --> 01:06:18,224 so I'm-I'm-I'm standing there in line 1527 01:06:18,307 --> 01:06:20,685 and, you know, just minding my own business, and then, 1528 01:06:20,768 --> 01:06:22,436 I look and there he is. 1529 01:06:23,437 --> 01:06:24,897 There's Dr. Strauss. 1530 01:06:25,648 --> 01:06:28,359 That time, he didn't do all the stuff he usually did. 1531 01:06:28,442 --> 01:06:31,404 It was a very... quick examination. 1532 01:06:31,487 --> 01:06:33,489 And he goes, "It's your epiglottis," 1533 01:06:33,572 --> 01:06:35,324 and he goes, "It moves like this," 1534 01:06:35,408 --> 01:06:37,159 and it was in spasm. 1535 01:06:37,243 --> 01:06:40,079 Doc said, you know, "In order to get rid of the spasm, 1536 01:06:40,204 --> 01:06:42,039 we will, um, we're gonna sedate you. 1537 01:06:42,123 --> 01:06:43,958 We're gonna give you a sedative, it'll relax you, 1538 01:06:44,083 --> 01:06:45,793 and that'll come out of spasm." 1539 01:06:45,918 --> 01:06:47,545 So I was thankful. You know, like, 1540 01:06:47,628 --> 01:06:50,131 "Thank you for being a doctor." 1541 01:06:50,256 --> 01:06:52,466 [light music playing] 1542 01:06:52,591 --> 01:06:54,051 He gave me a shot 1543 01:06:54,135 --> 01:06:55,594 at the hospital 1544 01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:56,971 to relax me. 1545 01:06:57,096 --> 01:06:59,348 [music turns dark and distorts] 1546 01:06:59,432 --> 01:07:01,475 And he said, "Let me give you a ride home." 1547 01:07:03,019 --> 01:07:05,062 I don't remember getting into the car, but I remember 1548 01:07:05,146 --> 01:07:07,398 he helped me go up to my room. 1549 01:07:09,108 --> 01:07:10,943 I laid down. 1550 01:07:11,027 --> 01:07:12,653 I couldn't move. 1551 01:07:13,279 --> 01:07:14,447 I was sort of paralyzed. 1552 01:07:14,530 --> 01:07:16,490 He was rubbing my side 1553 01:07:16,615 --> 01:07:18,451 or my back, and I thought, 1554 01:07:18,576 --> 01:07:20,745 "What the fuck? This is weird," but again, 1555 01:07:21,287 --> 01:07:23,205 you're so out, you're trying-- you're... 1556 01:07:23,998 --> 01:07:25,416 trying to process, 1557 01:07:25,499 --> 01:07:27,126 but you're so stoned or whatever it is, 1558 01:07:27,209 --> 01:07:29,045 I mean, you don't really... 1559 01:07:30,296 --> 01:07:31,839 So, um... 1560 01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:36,052 [music fades] 1561 01:07:36,135 --> 01:07:37,928 Yeah, then he raped me. 1562 01:07:43,184 --> 01:07:46,312 [grim music playing] 1563 01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:51,150 I woke up in the morning 1564 01:07:51,233 --> 01:07:52,693 and, um... 1565 01:07:55,821 --> 01:07:57,156 [exhales deeply] 1566 01:08:03,746 --> 01:08:05,414 ...I was trying to process it, 1567 01:08:05,498 --> 01:08:07,416 you know, like, what-- what-- 1568 01:08:09,877 --> 01:08:11,378 Trying to remember the night, like, 1569 01:08:11,504 --> 01:08:14,006 how did we get here, how did we get-- 1570 01:08:14,757 --> 01:08:17,009 How did we get to this? 1571 01:08:17,134 --> 01:08:18,552 And, um... 1572 01:08:22,014 --> 01:08:24,016 Yeah, I was in-- I was in fucking shock. 1573 01:08:24,141 --> 01:08:26,227 Like, I was in-- Like, I was... 1574 01:08:26,852 --> 01:08:29,146 I was-- I was-- [chuckles] 1575 01:08:30,856 --> 01:08:32,441 [sighs] 1576 01:08:34,026 --> 01:08:35,778 And who are you gonna tell? 1577 01:08:35,861 --> 01:08:38,572 Like, who... who am I gonna tell? 1578 01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:42,952 [melancholy music playing] 1579 01:08:45,704 --> 01:08:48,582 [Marshall] By the time I interviewed Al Novakowski, 1580 01:08:48,707 --> 01:08:52,962 the investigation had identified 47 rape victims. 1581 01:08:53,045 --> 01:08:55,422 Now we know he was number 48. 1582 01:08:55,548 --> 01:08:57,675 When I found out that they knew, 1583 01:08:58,384 --> 01:09:00,386 when I found out that The Ohio State University 1584 01:09:00,469 --> 01:09:04,014 knew he groped and touched the athletes, 1585 01:09:04,098 --> 01:09:06,851 I was beyond... [chuckles] 1586 01:09:06,934 --> 01:09:09,061 Well, to this day, I'm thinking, "Holy shit. 1587 01:09:09,186 --> 01:09:11,313 Did these people not have kids? 1588 01:09:11,397 --> 01:09:14,233 Did these people not have hearts or souls?" Like... 1589 01:09:15,401 --> 01:09:17,778 Like, there's a special place for these people, 1590 01:09:17,903 --> 01:09:19,530 and it's not heaven. 1591 01:09:19,613 --> 01:09:22,449 For those that knew, can you-- Like, they knew it! 1592 01:09:24,410 --> 01:09:26,328 [Marshall] How many others are out there 1593 01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:30,416 who may never share their story publicly? 1594 01:09:30,499 --> 01:09:33,419 [somber music playing] 1595 01:09:35,588 --> 01:09:37,464 [Novakowski exhales deeply] 1596 01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:39,425 [Novakowski] I dropped out of school. 1597 01:09:41,260 --> 01:09:42,845 And Dr. Strauss 1598 01:09:42,928 --> 01:09:44,555 went on, 1599 01:09:44,638 --> 01:09:45,681 year 1600 01:09:46,432 --> 01:09:47,975 after year 1601 01:09:48,100 --> 01:09:49,393 after year. 1602 01:09:59,445 --> 01:10:02,156 [Maazel] So I'm showing you exhibit 19. 1603 01:10:02,865 --> 01:10:05,284 Another very disturbing incident. 1604 01:10:05,409 --> 01:10:06,869 -Right? -Yes. 1605 01:10:06,952 --> 01:10:08,621 [Maazel] This is now the third 1606 01:10:08,704 --> 01:10:10,289 direct complaint against Dr. Strauss? 1607 01:10:10,414 --> 01:10:12,291 -[Grace] Correct. -The Student A complaint 1608 01:10:12,374 --> 01:10:14,543 was January 3rd, 1995, correct? 1609 01:10:14,627 --> 01:10:15,961 [Grace] Correct. 1610 01:10:16,462 --> 01:10:18,672 [Maazel] Student B complaint was January 6th, 1995. 1611 01:10:18,797 --> 01:10:20,049 -Right? -[Grace] Correct. 1612 01:10:20,132 --> 01:10:21,300 And you wrote this memo 1613 01:10:21,383 --> 01:10:23,510 on January 10th, 1996, right? 1614 01:10:24,803 --> 01:10:27,264 -[Grace] Correct. -So that's over a year later. 1615 01:10:27,848 --> 01:10:28,891 Correct. 1616 01:10:31,602 --> 01:10:33,520 [Maazel] This student reported 1617 01:10:34,521 --> 01:10:37,483 that Dr. Strauss commented on his big muscles, 1618 01:10:37,566 --> 01:10:39,151 asked him to take off his shirt. 1619 01:10:39,276 --> 01:10:41,362 -[Grace] Yes. -Dr. Strauss told Student C, 1620 01:10:41,487 --> 01:10:43,697 "Take everything off from the waist down," 1621 01:10:43,822 --> 01:10:46,408 and did a slow exam that Student C described 1622 01:10:46,492 --> 01:10:48,744 as fondling and like nothing he'd ever had before. 1623 01:10:49,370 --> 01:10:50,329 [Grace] Right. 1624 01:10:50,996 --> 01:10:52,831 [Maazel] And then the student ejaculated. 1625 01:10:52,957 --> 01:10:54,500 -Right? -Yes. 1626 01:10:54,583 --> 01:10:56,502 Have you ever heard about a patient who ejaculated 1627 01:10:56,627 --> 01:10:57,836 during a medical examination? 1628 01:10:57,962 --> 01:10:59,296 No. 1629 01:10:59,380 --> 01:11:01,048 The only time you ever heard that is 1630 01:11:01,173 --> 01:11:02,800 in the context of Dr. Strauss, right? 1631 01:11:02,883 --> 01:11:03,926 Yes. 1632 01:11:04,677 --> 01:11:06,387 During the investigation of that complaint, 1633 01:11:06,512 --> 01:11:08,347 you placed Dr. Strauss on administrative leave. 1634 01:11:08,472 --> 01:11:09,848 -Correct? -[Grace] Correct. 1635 01:11:09,974 --> 01:11:13,519 [uneasy music playing] 1636 01:11:15,521 --> 01:11:17,773 [Maazel] One of the incredible things about this case is, 1637 01:11:18,357 --> 01:11:21,193 you know, Dr. Grace did not report 1638 01:11:21,318 --> 01:11:22,987 Dr. Strauss to the medical board. 1639 01:11:24,029 --> 01:11:25,698 It was Dr. Strauss 1640 01:11:25,823 --> 01:11:28,867 who reported Dr. Grace to the medical board. 1641 01:11:31,370 --> 01:11:33,956 He complained that Dr. Grace 1642 01:11:34,039 --> 01:11:37,418 had confronted him over alleged sexual abuse, 1643 01:11:37,543 --> 01:11:39,128 and Dr. Strauss was the one being wronged. 1644 01:11:39,211 --> 01:11:40,921 He was the one being harassed. 1645 01:11:41,922 --> 01:11:44,133 Over three months after Student C's complaint 1646 01:11:44,216 --> 01:11:46,302 is when Dr. Strauss complains 1647 01:11:46,385 --> 01:11:47,678 to the medical board about you. 1648 01:11:47,761 --> 01:11:49,680 -Yes. -And so, at that point, 1649 01:11:49,763 --> 01:11:51,598 you had not spoken with the medical board. 1650 01:11:51,724 --> 01:11:53,058 -Correct? -Correct. 1651 01:11:53,183 --> 01:11:55,019 Or had any contact with the medical board. 1652 01:11:55,102 --> 01:11:57,354 Correct? Or made any complaint about Dr. Strauss 1653 01:11:57,438 --> 01:11:59,398 -to the medical board. Correct? -Correct. 1654 01:12:01,442 --> 01:12:02,985 [Maazel] And then in July 1996, 1655 01:12:03,068 --> 01:12:04,570 you did meet with the medical board. 1656 01:12:04,653 --> 01:12:05,738 -Correct? -Yes. 1657 01:12:05,821 --> 01:12:07,031 [Maazel] Because of 1658 01:12:07,114 --> 01:12:08,490 Dr. Strauss's complaint. 1659 01:12:08,574 --> 01:12:09,950 -Right? -[Grace] Correct. 1660 01:12:11,744 --> 01:12:13,620 [Maazel] When Dr. Grace finally was interviewed 1661 01:12:13,746 --> 01:12:15,122 by the medical board, 1662 01:12:15,247 --> 01:12:17,624 the medical board on its own 1663 01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:19,585 then initiated an investigation 1664 01:12:19,668 --> 01:12:20,836 into Dr. Strauss. 1665 01:12:20,919 --> 01:12:22,254 So as of July 1996, 1666 01:12:22,338 --> 01:12:23,756 no one at the university filed any kind 1667 01:12:23,839 --> 01:12:25,424 of complaint against Dr. Strauss, 1668 01:12:25,507 --> 01:12:26,633 correct? 1669 01:12:27,509 --> 01:12:29,053 Not in writing. 1670 01:12:29,803 --> 01:12:32,264 [Maazel] Well, according to the medical board, not at all. 1671 01:12:34,099 --> 01:12:36,143 After this, what OSU did 1672 01:12:36,268 --> 01:12:39,646 is they had a secret disciplinary hearing 1673 01:12:39,772 --> 01:12:40,981 for Dr. Strauss. 1674 01:12:41,106 --> 01:12:43,108 Didn't reveal the findings, uh, 1675 01:12:43,192 --> 01:12:46,111 to the student body or pretty much anyone, 1676 01:12:46,195 --> 01:12:48,864 and then they very quietly removed him 1677 01:12:48,947 --> 01:12:50,991 from being the team physician 1678 01:12:51,116 --> 01:12:53,118 and from Student Health Services. 1679 01:12:53,660 --> 01:12:56,663 Quote, "On August 5th, 1996, Williams informed Strauss 1680 01:12:56,789 --> 01:12:58,957 that he considered all the information 1681 01:12:59,041 --> 01:13:01,251 and Williams had determined that Strauss's appointment 1682 01:13:01,335 --> 01:13:03,712 would not be renewed effective immediately." 1683 01:13:03,796 --> 01:13:06,131 Correct? But everything else was renewed, right? 1684 01:13:06,215 --> 01:13:09,426 He was still a professor of Internal Medicine. Right? 1685 01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:11,887 Still a professor of Preventive Medicine. Right? 1686 01:13:11,970 --> 01:13:13,847 Still a professor at the School of Public Health. 1687 01:13:13,972 --> 01:13:15,391 [Grace] Correct. 1688 01:13:15,974 --> 01:13:18,227 [Maazel] The university never fired Dr. Strauss, right? 1689 01:13:19,311 --> 01:13:20,354 Not that I'm aware. 1690 01:13:22,022 --> 01:13:24,983 Richard Strauss finally retired voluntarily 1691 01:13:25,109 --> 01:13:26,360 in 1998. 1692 01:13:27,569 --> 01:13:29,822 And even after he retired, 1693 01:13:29,947 --> 01:13:32,533 OSU gave him emeritus status. 1694 01:13:33,409 --> 01:13:35,327 It's an honor to have emeritus status. 1695 01:13:35,411 --> 01:13:36,995 -Yes. -And OSU 1696 01:13:37,121 --> 01:13:39,206 gave Dr. Strauss that honor. 1697 01:13:39,331 --> 01:13:41,166 -Yes. -Did they have to do that? 1698 01:13:41,250 --> 01:13:42,876 I guess not. 1699 01:13:43,001 --> 01:13:45,712 This is hardly someone who has been disgraced, 1700 01:13:45,838 --> 01:13:49,550 who leaves Columbus in-in this horrible exile 1701 01:13:49,675 --> 01:13:50,926 with a cloud over him. 1702 01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:54,012 This is an esteemed Ohio State faculty member 1703 01:13:54,138 --> 01:13:57,266 who decides to move out west to the sunshine. 1704 01:13:57,933 --> 01:14:00,352 This is someone who sets up practice in California. 1705 01:14:00,436 --> 01:14:02,479 He still can put on the wall, still can tell people 1706 01:14:02,563 --> 01:14:05,441 he's Emeritus Professor at The Ohio State. 1707 01:14:05,524 --> 01:14:07,943 This is not someone who has suffered consequence 1708 01:14:08,026 --> 01:14:09,862 for-for grievous crimes. 1709 01:14:09,987 --> 01:14:12,197 [dramatic music softens] 1710 01:14:14,366 --> 01:14:17,578 [Maazel] He sexually abused football players, 1711 01:14:17,703 --> 01:14:18,996 wrestlers, 1712 01:14:19,079 --> 01:14:20,914 tennis players, 1713 01:14:21,039 --> 01:14:24,418 hockey players, fencers. 1714 01:14:24,543 --> 01:14:27,337 He sexually abused students who were not athletes 1715 01:14:27,421 --> 01:14:29,590 whom he saw in Student Health Services. 1716 01:14:29,715 --> 01:14:31,216 He did this repeatedly, 1717 01:14:31,341 --> 01:14:34,595 he did it right under the nose of OSU. 1718 01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,513 And the whole thing 1719 01:14:37,556 --> 01:14:39,558 might have just died away forever. 1720 01:14:42,102 --> 01:14:44,813 But fast-forward 20 years, 1721 01:14:44,897 --> 01:14:46,064 it all changed. 1722 01:14:46,148 --> 01:14:47,733 [camera shutters clicking] 1723 01:14:47,816 --> 01:14:49,818 Today marks a step 1724 01:14:50,736 --> 01:14:52,863 in a continuing quest 1725 01:14:52,946 --> 01:14:55,908 for accountability and justice 1726 01:14:56,033 --> 01:14:59,536 for the horrific predatory conduct 1727 01:14:59,620 --> 01:15:01,038 of Larry Nassar. 1728 01:15:01,121 --> 01:15:03,540 [solemn music playing] 1729 01:15:04,291 --> 01:15:07,711 [Coleman] The Larry Nassar, Michigan State ordeal, 1730 01:15:07,794 --> 01:15:09,505 I was following that very closely 1731 01:15:09,588 --> 01:15:12,174 because, uh, you know, my daughter was a gymnast. 1732 01:15:12,257 --> 01:15:14,051 [woman] What would you like to tell him? 1733 01:15:14,134 --> 01:15:16,303 Your Honor, thank you for the opportunity 1734 01:15:16,428 --> 01:15:18,263 to make this statement here today. 1735 01:15:18,347 --> 01:15:19,848 I called Mike DiSabato up 1736 01:15:19,932 --> 01:15:24,061 and, uh, and I'm discussing the situation. 1737 01:15:24,144 --> 01:15:26,855 And he's reading testimony to me. 1738 01:15:26,939 --> 01:15:29,233 The hardest thing I've ever had to do is process 1739 01:15:29,316 --> 01:15:31,944 that I'm a victim of Larry Nassar. 1740 01:15:34,363 --> 01:15:36,615 I had no idea what he was doing 1741 01:15:36,698 --> 01:15:39,785 and that it was sexual assault or any type of abuse. 1742 01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:41,328 I was taught to trust doctors 1743 01:15:41,453 --> 01:15:43,038 because they are there to help you. 1744 01:15:43,121 --> 01:15:45,749 And I said, "Wow, that's us." 1745 01:15:45,832 --> 01:15:47,251 He turned the lights off. 1746 01:15:47,793 --> 01:15:50,504 [Wieber] I was alone without any supervision. 1747 01:15:50,629 --> 01:15:52,297 The same thing happened every single time. 1748 01:15:52,381 --> 01:15:55,175 Even when I had knee and ankle injuries. 1749 01:15:55,300 --> 01:15:56,885 I was ashamed, disgusted in myself 1750 01:15:56,969 --> 01:15:58,303 rather than at Larry. 1751 01:15:58,387 --> 01:15:59,596 Your Honor, stress the need 1752 01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:01,306 to investigate how this happened 1753 01:16:01,390 --> 01:16:03,308 so we can hold accountable those who empowered 1754 01:16:03,392 --> 01:16:04,893 and enabled Larry Nassar. 1755 01:16:04,977 --> 01:16:06,979 It makes a difference to have the abuser 1756 01:16:07,104 --> 01:16:08,939 accountable for their actions. 1757 01:16:09,022 --> 01:16:10,691 Thank you. 1758 01:16:10,816 --> 01:16:13,527 [DiSabato] To watch them speak was powerful. 1759 01:16:13,652 --> 01:16:14,945 [applause] 1760 01:16:15,028 --> 01:16:16,822 It unlocked something in me. 1761 01:16:16,905 --> 01:16:19,366 And I spent two months 1762 01:16:19,491 --> 01:16:21,034 speaking to my teammates... 1763 01:16:23,328 --> 01:16:25,455 to verify what I already knew, 1764 01:16:26,081 --> 01:16:27,958 that Richard Strauss 1765 01:16:28,041 --> 01:16:29,543 was another Larry Nassar. 1766 01:16:29,668 --> 01:16:31,378 [solemn music playing] 1767 01:16:31,503 --> 01:16:34,047 [Schyck] Mike DiSabato, just out of the blue one day, 1768 01:16:34,172 --> 01:16:35,716 asked me about Dr. Strauss, 1769 01:16:35,841 --> 01:16:38,385 and-and I shared with him my story. 1770 01:16:40,846 --> 01:16:42,764 [Ratliff] I'd never talked to Mike about these things, 1771 01:16:42,848 --> 01:16:45,183 and Mike asked me about Doc Strauss. 1772 01:16:46,184 --> 01:16:49,021 [Knight] You know, you sit and think you don't remember 1773 01:16:49,104 --> 01:16:50,272 any of these stories. 1774 01:16:51,523 --> 01:16:54,067 And then, an hour and a half later, it's like, 1775 01:16:55,694 --> 01:16:57,321 "Oh, like, wow, that-- 1776 01:16:58,196 --> 01:16:59,197 that happened. 1777 01:16:59,948 --> 01:17:01,366 And that happened." 1778 01:17:01,491 --> 01:17:03,118 And he said, "I'm gonna tell 'em." 1779 01:17:04,036 --> 01:17:06,747 And I was taken back. I'm like, "Gonna tell who?" 1780 01:17:08,373 --> 01:17:10,834 And he said, "I'm gonna go to The Ohio State University 1781 01:17:10,917 --> 01:17:13,128 and ask for an investigation to be done." 1782 01:17:13,211 --> 01:17:17,132 I think I was speechless for a little bit, um, 1783 01:17:17,215 --> 01:17:19,092 and then I begged him not to. 1784 01:17:19,217 --> 01:17:20,385 [woman] Why? 1785 01:17:20,469 --> 01:17:21,720 Um... 1786 01:17:24,598 --> 01:17:25,932 Shame. 1787 01:17:29,102 --> 01:17:31,063 Sexual misconduct allegations 1788 01:17:31,146 --> 01:17:33,940 40 years in the making at The Ohio State University. 1789 01:17:34,066 --> 01:17:37,402 Mike told me that he was still gonna do it. 1790 01:17:37,486 --> 01:17:39,488 Details are coming to light in the investigation 1791 01:17:39,571 --> 01:17:42,824 of a former Ohio State wrestling team physician 1792 01:17:42,908 --> 01:17:45,911 possibly involved in sexual misconduct. 1793 01:17:46,036 --> 01:17:47,996 [Ratliff] Even though I wanted no part of it, 1794 01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:49,498 I told Mike, 1795 01:17:49,581 --> 01:17:51,333 "I'm not gonna let you stand there 1796 01:17:51,416 --> 01:17:52,668 and take it by yourself." 1797 01:17:52,751 --> 01:17:53,794 [sniffles] 1798 01:17:54,336 --> 01:17:55,671 "I'll stand with you." 1799 01:17:55,754 --> 01:17:57,923 Another former Ohio State student 1800 01:17:58,048 --> 01:18:01,259 has come forward to say that he too was a victim 1801 01:18:01,343 --> 01:18:03,553 of Strauss's sexual misconduct. 1802 01:18:03,637 --> 01:18:06,682 I decided that accountability needed to be had. 1803 01:18:06,765 --> 01:18:09,059 I'm speaking on behalf of many of my teammates... 1804 01:18:09,142 --> 01:18:11,019 I said, "I want to help." 1805 01:18:11,103 --> 01:18:13,105 [Marshall] Dan Ritchie is one of the men 1806 01:18:13,230 --> 01:18:16,316 who kept his secret for 25 years. 1807 01:18:16,441 --> 01:18:18,402 This complaint involves a student 1808 01:18:18,485 --> 01:18:19,695 at the Student Health Center. 1809 01:18:20,278 --> 01:18:22,364 [Knight] As more people come forward, 1810 01:18:22,447 --> 01:18:24,908 Ohio State decided to investigate themselves. 1811 01:18:24,991 --> 01:18:26,952 [music fades] 1812 01:18:27,077 --> 01:18:29,788 [Marshall] Just like Penn State and at Michigan, 1813 01:18:29,913 --> 01:18:32,040 they were doing what everyone would expect 1814 01:18:32,124 --> 01:18:33,417 a university was doing. 1815 01:18:33,500 --> 01:18:35,210 They were paying for 1816 01:18:35,293 --> 01:18:37,796 an in-depth independent investigation. 1817 01:18:38,588 --> 01:18:40,924 [reporter] Now, a full report will be released 1818 01:18:41,007 --> 01:18:42,509 when this investigation is done. 1819 01:18:42,634 --> 01:18:44,636 No word on when that will happen. 1820 01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,389 [Wertheim] What became evident quickly was that this was not 1821 01:18:47,472 --> 01:18:49,266 the USA Gymnastics scandal 1822 01:18:49,349 --> 01:18:51,268 and the dynamic there. 1823 01:18:51,351 --> 01:18:54,271 To begin with, there would be no Larry Nassar to pursue. 1824 01:18:54,354 --> 01:18:55,772 Richard Strauss had eluded 1825 01:18:55,856 --> 01:18:57,441 the possibility of conviction. 1826 01:18:57,524 --> 01:18:59,568 [reporter] The outside attorney investigating 1827 01:18:59,651 --> 01:19:01,069 provided this today: 1828 01:19:01,153 --> 01:19:04,322 Richard Strauss died in 2005. 1829 01:19:04,990 --> 01:19:07,242 [reporter 2] We now know former OSU doctor 1830 01:19:07,325 --> 01:19:10,370 Richard Strauss died by suicide. 1831 01:19:10,495 --> 01:19:12,247 This sounds so morbid, but I pulled up 1832 01:19:12,330 --> 01:19:14,666 his autopsy report after he killed himself, 1833 01:19:14,750 --> 01:19:16,668 and I wanted to know the details of everything. 1834 01:19:16,752 --> 01:19:18,879 I wanted to know what he was wearing. 1835 01:19:19,004 --> 01:19:20,630 I wanted to know how he did it. 1836 01:19:20,714 --> 01:19:23,425 I wanted to know what they said his causes were. 1837 01:19:23,508 --> 01:19:25,510 I wanted some kind of glimpse that he did it 1838 01:19:25,594 --> 01:19:28,305 because he was miserable because of what he did to us, 1839 01:19:28,388 --> 01:19:30,932 and what it said was he did it because he was in pain 1840 01:19:31,016 --> 01:19:33,018 and the pills weren't helping him. 1841 01:19:34,770 --> 01:19:36,605 There's no remorse about what he did. 1842 01:19:36,688 --> 01:19:38,190 It was because he was inconvenienced 1843 01:19:38,273 --> 01:19:40,066 because of pain. That's what you find out, 1844 01:19:40,192 --> 01:19:41,902 and that... that just stinks. 1845 01:19:44,237 --> 01:19:46,615 [reporter] If the doctor in question is dead, 1846 01:19:46,698 --> 01:19:50,577 some ask, "What is the point of this investigation anyway?" 1847 01:19:50,702 --> 01:19:52,662 Well, the university says there are two goals 1848 01:19:52,746 --> 01:19:54,164 for this investigation. 1849 01:19:54,247 --> 01:19:56,792 One of them is to identify and evaluate 1850 01:19:56,875 --> 01:19:59,377 all the allegations against Strauss, 1851 01:19:59,461 --> 01:20:01,755 and the other one is to see if anybody 1852 01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:03,715 working at the university at that time 1853 01:20:03,799 --> 01:20:05,091 knew about those allegations. 1854 01:20:05,217 --> 01:20:06,885 That, of course, could lead 1855 01:20:07,010 --> 01:20:08,887 to criminal action. 1856 01:20:11,890 --> 01:20:15,519 [Maazel] If a university is deliberately indifferent 1857 01:20:15,602 --> 01:20:17,729 to sexual misconduct, 1858 01:20:17,854 --> 01:20:20,649 then they are legally responsible. 1859 01:20:20,732 --> 01:20:22,442 "Deliberately indifferent," fancy words. 1860 01:20:22,567 --> 01:20:25,111 Basically, you know, did they-- were they-- 1861 01:20:25,237 --> 01:20:27,656 Did they care? Did they do something to stop it? 1862 01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:30,742 Did they take reasonable action or not? 1863 01:20:31,326 --> 01:20:33,411 OSU not only took no action, 1864 01:20:33,954 --> 01:20:35,956 they put a known predator 1865 01:20:36,081 --> 01:20:38,375 into a position of authority. 1866 01:20:38,458 --> 01:20:40,669 [soft, tense music playing] 1867 01:20:41,711 --> 01:20:43,797 [DiSabato] We decided to take action, 1868 01:20:43,922 --> 01:20:46,216 and I was the lead plaintiff 1869 01:20:46,299 --> 01:20:49,845 on a lawsuit filed against the university. 1870 01:20:49,928 --> 01:20:51,888 [Jackson] For years of alleged abuse, 1871 01:20:51,972 --> 01:20:53,682 former Ohio State wrestlers 1872 01:20:53,765 --> 01:20:55,600 are suing the university tonight, 1873 01:20:55,725 --> 01:20:57,894 claiming the school ignored their complaints 1874 01:20:57,978 --> 01:20:59,104 about a team doctor. 1875 01:20:59,187 --> 01:21:01,731 Being in this arena is scary. 1876 01:21:01,815 --> 01:21:04,067 I mean, I'm-- I'm suing a university 1877 01:21:04,150 --> 01:21:07,195 that I spent years of my life wrestling for. 1878 01:21:07,279 --> 01:21:08,572 I mean, that's just insane. 1879 01:21:09,114 --> 01:21:10,532 But it was necessary. 1880 01:21:10,615 --> 01:21:13,618 The university should've protected us more. 1881 01:21:13,702 --> 01:21:15,537 They knew what was going on. 1882 01:21:15,996 --> 01:21:17,873 So, I contacted our attorneys. 1883 01:21:17,956 --> 01:21:20,250 I said, "What do I have to do?" 1884 01:21:20,333 --> 01:21:22,919 [Marshall] Dozens of men have come forward 1885 01:21:23,003 --> 01:21:24,504 and sued The Ohio State University 1886 01:21:24,629 --> 01:21:26,172 over sexual abuse allegations 1887 01:21:26,298 --> 01:21:28,592 against a former school doctor. 1888 01:21:29,718 --> 01:21:32,304 And that unleashed the other major difference 1889 01:21:32,429 --> 01:21:33,805 between this case 1890 01:21:33,930 --> 01:21:36,308 and the Nassar gymnast survivors. 1891 01:21:36,391 --> 01:21:38,643 -[music fades] -[keyboard clacking] 1892 01:21:42,314 --> 01:21:44,858 [dramatic beat echoes] 1893 01:21:44,983 --> 01:21:47,819 [Wertheim] People could not wrap their brains around it. 1894 01:21:47,903 --> 01:21:49,070 [mouse clicks] 1895 01:21:49,821 --> 01:21:52,032 How could these grain-fed tough guys... 1896 01:21:52,157 --> 01:21:55,911 How in the world could they be the victims 1897 01:21:55,994 --> 01:21:57,412 of sexual assault? 1898 01:21:57,495 --> 01:22:01,917 [solemn music playing] 1899 01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:04,085 These were wrestlers. 1900 01:22:05,378 --> 01:22:07,088 And not just wrestlers. 1901 01:22:07,172 --> 01:22:08,798 Mark Coleman! 1902 01:22:08,882 --> 01:22:12,552 I mean, Mark Coleman was the baddest of the badass. 1903 01:22:12,677 --> 01:22:14,804 He was a terrific wrestler at Ohio State, 1904 01:22:14,888 --> 01:22:16,222 won a national title. 1905 01:22:16,848 --> 01:22:20,143 And then after this absolutely gilded wrestling career, 1906 01:22:20,226 --> 01:22:22,562 he pivots to mixed martial arts. 1907 01:22:22,687 --> 01:22:24,606 He was this very prominent fighter. 1908 01:22:24,689 --> 01:22:26,900 "Ground and Pound" was his trademark 1909 01:22:27,025 --> 01:22:29,110 as a UFC fighter. What did that mean? 1910 01:22:29,736 --> 01:22:31,196 You'd wrestle the guy to the ground 1911 01:22:31,321 --> 01:22:33,406 and you'd beat the shit out of him. 1912 01:22:33,531 --> 01:22:35,200 Coleman is this physical beast. 1913 01:22:35,784 --> 01:22:37,994 So how could this guy be a victim 1914 01:22:38,078 --> 01:22:39,746 to someone like Strauss? 1915 01:22:41,206 --> 01:22:44,793 I was very, very nervous about this whole thing. 1916 01:22:44,876 --> 01:22:48,713 I wanted Ohio State to hold themselves accountable 1917 01:22:48,838 --> 01:22:51,424 to make sure this doesn't happen again. 1918 01:22:53,051 --> 01:22:55,845 [Schyck] But everybody is telling us to go kick rocks. 1919 01:22:56,721 --> 01:22:59,891 So, who could we go to that could help us with this? 1920 01:22:59,975 --> 01:23:01,810 [crowd cheering, applause] 1921 01:23:04,562 --> 01:23:07,357 I present to you Russ Hellickson. 1922 01:23:07,983 --> 01:23:09,234 Well-deserved. 1923 01:23:09,317 --> 01:23:11,611 Russ. My relationship with him 1924 01:23:11,736 --> 01:23:13,279 is so cherished. 1925 01:23:13,405 --> 01:23:15,198 [Hellickson] As a wrestling coach, 1926 01:23:15,281 --> 01:23:17,242 I have three daughters 1927 01:23:17,367 --> 01:23:19,744 and over 500 sons. 1928 01:23:19,828 --> 01:23:22,163 [solemn music playing] 1929 01:23:22,247 --> 01:23:24,082 [Schyck] Russ was like family. 1930 01:23:24,165 --> 01:23:25,750 He was like a second father to me. 1931 01:23:26,626 --> 01:23:29,546 And so I text Russ a long text message. 1932 01:23:29,629 --> 01:23:32,549 Just, "Hey, look, we need you." 1933 01:23:32,632 --> 01:23:34,843 And within an hour, I got a response. 1934 01:23:34,926 --> 01:23:36,011 [dings] 1935 01:23:36,094 --> 01:23:38,513 [gentle music playing] 1936 01:23:40,807 --> 01:23:42,350 [Ritchie] About 20 of us met 1937 01:23:42,434 --> 01:23:43,935 over at one of the local high schools 1938 01:23:44,060 --> 01:23:46,062 that one of the wrestlers work at. 1939 01:23:46,146 --> 01:23:47,856 And we sat in a room with him 1940 01:23:47,939 --> 01:23:49,899 and we went around, each individual, 1941 01:23:49,983 --> 01:23:53,111 and told exactly what happened to us. 1942 01:23:53,903 --> 01:23:55,947 [Schyck] Everybody said their piece. 1943 01:23:56,781 --> 01:23:57,782 It was emotional. 1944 01:23:58,825 --> 01:24:01,036 [Ritchie] It got to my turn, 1945 01:24:01,119 --> 01:24:03,580 and I asked him, I said, "Do you remember 1946 01:24:03,663 --> 01:24:04,998 when I came into your office 1947 01:24:05,123 --> 01:24:07,834 and I said, 'I'm done. I'm out'?" 1948 01:24:07,959 --> 01:24:09,169 He said, "Yeah, I do." 1949 01:24:09,294 --> 01:24:10,920 I said, "I never told you why. 1950 01:24:11,546 --> 01:24:12,797 This is why." 1951 01:24:13,339 --> 01:24:15,258 [Schyck] You just saw him open up 1952 01:24:15,341 --> 01:24:16,801 and start to sympathize 1953 01:24:16,885 --> 01:24:19,220 and understand what had happened. 1954 01:24:22,557 --> 01:24:24,517 [Ritchie] At the end of that meeting, 1955 01:24:24,642 --> 01:24:26,311 he said he would write a letter 1956 01:24:26,436 --> 01:24:28,146 to whoever he needs to write a letter to 1957 01:24:28,229 --> 01:24:30,023 in support of us. 1958 01:24:30,148 --> 01:24:31,566 [Schyck] That's what we needed. 1959 01:24:31,649 --> 01:24:33,151 We needed reassurance. 1960 01:24:33,276 --> 01:24:35,820 We walked out like we were family. 1961 01:24:35,904 --> 01:24:38,114 [music fades] 1962 01:24:39,324 --> 01:24:41,117 And, of course, we turned to Jimmy, 1963 01:24:41,201 --> 01:24:43,244 our former assistant coach. 1964 01:24:43,328 --> 01:24:46,164 Things had changed a bit for him since OSU. 1965 01:24:46,247 --> 01:24:47,749 [announcer] Ladies and gentlemen, 1966 01:24:47,832 --> 01:24:50,627 please welcome Congressman Jim Jordan. 1967 01:24:50,710 --> 01:24:53,379 [crowd cheering] 1968 01:24:53,505 --> 01:24:55,256 Thank you. Very kind. 1969 01:24:56,508 --> 01:24:58,676 Jim Jordan's now a prominent figure 1970 01:24:58,802 --> 01:25:01,471 in the Republican Party for the House of Representatives, 1971 01:25:01,554 --> 01:25:03,723 always on news and media outlets. 1972 01:25:03,848 --> 01:25:05,725 [Hannity] Congressman Jordan, great to have you. 1973 01:25:05,850 --> 01:25:07,560 [crowd cheering enthusiastically] 1974 01:25:07,685 --> 01:25:09,270 [Knight] I don't agree with his politics 1975 01:25:09,354 --> 01:25:13,191 but I still was proud of him as my college coach. 1976 01:25:13,274 --> 01:25:15,568 [Ratliff] He had ideals 1977 01:25:15,693 --> 01:25:17,320 and he had honor. 1978 01:25:17,862 --> 01:25:20,532 [Jordan] Discipline is doing what you don't want to do 1979 01:25:20,657 --> 01:25:22,325 when you don't want to do it. 1980 01:25:22,408 --> 01:25:24,160 Doing things the right way 1981 01:25:24,244 --> 01:25:26,204 when you'd rather do 'em the convenient way. 1982 01:25:26,287 --> 01:25:29,082 Your experts knew the truth. Your spokesperson knew. 1983 01:25:29,207 --> 01:25:31,543 But what troubles me more is I think you knew the truth. 1984 01:25:31,668 --> 01:25:32,877 [Schyck] He was a pit bull. 1985 01:25:32,961 --> 01:25:35,171 And so, I figured 1986 01:25:35,255 --> 01:25:37,715 that why in the hell wouldn't this guy 1987 01:25:37,799 --> 01:25:39,884 step up for us, you know? 1988 01:25:40,009 --> 01:25:42,262 -Did you remember Dr. Strauss? -Yeah. 1989 01:25:42,804 --> 01:25:45,390 You know, knew-knew, uh, the doctor. 1990 01:25:45,473 --> 01:25:46,808 And Jim Jordan didn't. 1991 01:25:46,891 --> 01:25:48,810 But there is no truth to the fact 1992 01:25:48,893 --> 01:25:51,229 that-that I knew of any abuse. 1993 01:25:51,354 --> 01:25:53,523 Uh, or I've talked to other coaches, 1994 01:25:53,606 --> 01:25:54,983 they didn't know of any abuse. 1995 01:25:55,066 --> 01:25:56,568 Um, it just-- there just-- 1996 01:25:56,651 --> 01:25:58,361 That's just not accurate to say those things. 1997 01:25:58,444 --> 01:25:59,863 That we knew of it and didn't report it 1998 01:25:59,946 --> 01:26:01,489 is just not true. 1999 01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:04,159 There's no way that he didn't know. 2000 01:26:04,742 --> 01:26:06,870 Did he know something? Everybody knew something. 2001 01:26:06,953 --> 01:26:08,496 So, do I think he knew? 2002 01:26:08,580 --> 01:26:09,873 I think everybody knew. 2003 01:26:09,956 --> 01:26:11,583 Did it make me angry? Yes. 2004 01:26:11,666 --> 01:26:13,668 How do you characterize the accusations 2005 01:26:13,751 --> 01:26:15,920 against Strauss, uh, against him? 2006 01:26:16,045 --> 01:26:18,047 Um, you know... [sighs] 2007 01:26:18,631 --> 01:26:20,550 All I know is I never knew of any abuse 2008 01:26:20,633 --> 01:26:22,552 from Dr. Strauss, plain and simple. 2009 01:26:23,303 --> 01:26:26,347 To say that he knew nothing, that nothing ever happened, 2010 01:26:26,431 --> 01:26:29,559 it's a flat-out lie. It is a flat-out lie. 2011 01:26:29,642 --> 01:26:32,020 We are now joined by Congressman Jordan. 2012 01:26:32,103 --> 01:26:34,731 The first time dealing with all of this in detail. 2013 01:26:34,814 --> 01:26:37,233 Your reaction, first, to all of this. 2014 01:26:37,317 --> 01:26:39,402 The guys that are saying this thing, 2015 01:26:39,485 --> 01:26:41,112 I know they know the truth. 2016 01:26:41,196 --> 01:26:42,280 I know they do. 2017 01:26:42,363 --> 01:26:44,073 I never saw, never heard of, 2018 01:26:44,157 --> 01:26:46,367 never was told about any type of abuse. 2019 01:26:46,451 --> 01:26:48,328 -If I had been... -[Ritchie] I know for a fact 2020 01:26:48,453 --> 01:26:50,538 how many conversations that Jimmy's had 2021 01:26:50,622 --> 01:26:52,290 about Dr. Strauss. 2022 01:26:52,373 --> 01:26:54,500 Conversations in the locker room are a lot different 2023 01:26:54,626 --> 01:26:57,170 than someone coming up to you and saying there was abuse. 2024 01:26:57,295 --> 01:26:59,130 So did you hear it in the locker room? 2025 01:26:59,214 --> 01:27:01,049 No. We did not hear that. 2026 01:27:01,132 --> 01:27:03,551 -'Cause if we had... -Something short of abuse 2027 01:27:03,635 --> 01:27:05,970 that-that-that may be considered abuse now 2028 01:27:06,054 --> 01:27:08,556 -in this current time? -Did not. Did not. 2029 01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:10,683 I wasn't beside Jim in his locker room, 2030 01:27:10,808 --> 01:27:13,269 so I don't know what he knew, 2031 01:27:13,353 --> 01:27:15,146 but I knew what he said to me, 2032 01:27:15,271 --> 01:27:16,898 and that's why I knew he knew, 2033 01:27:16,981 --> 01:27:19,859 'cause when he said, "It's Strauss, you know that," 2034 01:27:19,984 --> 01:27:23,238 that told me-- he couldn't have said that without knowing 2035 01:27:23,321 --> 01:27:25,531 what Strauss was and who he was. 2036 01:27:25,657 --> 01:27:26,908 That's why. 2037 01:27:26,991 --> 01:27:28,743 [tense music playing] 2038 01:27:28,826 --> 01:27:31,537 And maybe Jimmy thought it was just gonna go away. 2039 01:27:31,663 --> 01:27:33,206 -And it didn't. -Jim Jordan denies 2040 01:27:33,331 --> 01:27:36,251 any wrongdoing in that OSU wrestling case, 2041 01:27:36,334 --> 01:27:39,003 but the controversy, the scandal, has not abated. 2042 01:27:39,087 --> 01:27:41,089 [Schyck] Instead, people perked up 2043 01:27:41,172 --> 01:27:43,216 and then it became a big deal. 2044 01:27:43,341 --> 01:27:45,051 [reporter 1] Representative Jim Jordan 2045 01:27:45,176 --> 01:27:46,844 has been accused of covering up sexual abuse. 2046 01:27:46,970 --> 01:27:49,013 [reporter 2] Jim Jordan has said in response... 2047 01:27:49,097 --> 01:27:52,183 Jim Jordan, who was a wrestling coach at the time... 2048 01:27:52,267 --> 01:27:54,519 They talked to Jordan about it and he didn't do anything. 2049 01:27:54,644 --> 01:27:56,938 [Ritchie] Once it got legs and it started going, 2050 01:27:57,021 --> 01:28:00,608 more people came out and said, "Yes, this is what happened. 2051 01:28:00,692 --> 01:28:03,403 Absolutely, this is what-- This is my experience." 2052 01:28:03,528 --> 01:28:06,114 Tonight, more former Buckeye wrestlers are coming forward. 2053 01:28:06,197 --> 01:28:08,491 -More victims coming forward. -University announced today... 2054 01:28:08,574 --> 01:28:11,286 There was a thought that it was the tip of the iceberg. 2055 01:28:12,245 --> 01:28:14,539 And that's when Jordan started calling everybody. 2056 01:28:15,957 --> 01:28:18,543 He actually started calling all the wrestlers. 2057 01:28:18,626 --> 01:28:20,545 Even called Adam DiSabato, 2058 01:28:20,670 --> 01:28:22,547 Mike DiSabato's brother. 2059 01:28:23,047 --> 01:28:24,590 [Adam] Eight in the morning, 2060 01:28:24,716 --> 01:28:26,384 and my phone starts blowing up. 2061 01:28:27,468 --> 01:28:28,928 And I answer it, and he's like, 2062 01:28:29,053 --> 01:28:30,638 "Hey, Adam, this is Jim Jordan." 2063 01:28:30,722 --> 01:28:32,056 I'm like... 2064 01:28:33,558 --> 01:28:35,560 He was talking to me for a half hour 2065 01:28:35,685 --> 01:28:38,021 about if I'll come out publicly, 2066 01:28:38,104 --> 01:28:41,232 defend him and say this isn't true. 2067 01:28:41,899 --> 01:28:44,319 He's literally crying on the phone. 2068 01:28:44,402 --> 01:28:46,195 [soft dramatic music playing] 2069 01:28:46,279 --> 01:28:49,324 He don't give a fuck about me or none of us. 2070 01:28:49,407 --> 01:28:51,034 And he's wanting me to defend him 2071 01:28:51,117 --> 01:28:52,744 against my fucking brother. 2072 01:28:57,290 --> 01:28:59,792 I mean, that's insane. 2073 01:29:03,087 --> 01:29:05,882 And I figured that Jimmy's probably talking 2074 01:29:05,965 --> 01:29:07,633 to Russ too. 2075 01:29:07,759 --> 01:29:09,135 And, sure enough, 2076 01:29:09,260 --> 01:29:11,721 Russ disappeared into silence. 2077 01:29:11,804 --> 01:29:13,848 He never wrote any letter. 2078 01:29:13,931 --> 01:29:16,100 He didn't offer any support. 2079 01:29:16,225 --> 01:29:18,436 He completely turned his back on us. 2080 01:29:19,270 --> 01:29:22,231 I propped him up on a pedestal like he was my dad, 2081 01:29:22,315 --> 01:29:24,484 and-and, uh, 2082 01:29:24,609 --> 01:29:25,610 it sucks. 2083 01:29:26,944 --> 01:29:29,614 Russ said he'd be there standing up for us, 2084 01:29:29,739 --> 01:29:32,742 and he took a different tack. 2085 01:29:34,118 --> 01:29:36,204 I tried for a very long time 2086 01:29:36,287 --> 01:29:39,290 to get a one-on-one interview with Congressman Jordan, 2087 01:29:39,374 --> 01:29:42,126 and his office would not set that up. 2088 01:29:42,210 --> 01:29:44,754 So I found out that he was going to be 2089 01:29:44,837 --> 01:29:47,965 at the Honda plant, and I showed up. 2090 01:29:48,049 --> 01:29:49,926 Athletes like Dan Ritchie says 2091 01:29:50,009 --> 01:29:52,929 Dr. Strauss had a locker two down from yours. 2092 01:29:53,012 --> 01:29:55,056 How were you not aware that he was in there 2093 01:29:55,139 --> 01:29:57,183 taking a shower every day 2094 01:29:57,308 --> 01:29:59,477 and pleasuring himself in front of these students, 2095 01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:01,187 when they all knew about it? 2096 01:30:01,687 --> 01:30:03,398 I guess he seemed resentful 2097 01:30:03,481 --> 01:30:05,650 that he was being questioned about this. 2098 01:30:05,733 --> 01:30:07,610 This is ridiculous. I've stood up to the-- 2099 01:30:07,693 --> 01:30:09,529 to the FBI, I've stood up to the IRS. 2100 01:30:09,654 --> 01:30:11,239 So if I think-- if I thought 2101 01:30:11,322 --> 01:30:13,199 there was something wrong or if I knew there was 2102 01:30:13,324 --> 01:30:15,368 something wrong happening, I would've stood up for 'em. 2103 01:30:15,493 --> 01:30:17,453 -You didn't see anything? -That's why every-- 2104 01:30:17,537 --> 01:30:20,498 No, I did not. And that's why every single coach and... 2105 01:30:20,623 --> 01:30:23,626 [Marshall] "No one ever told me. I had no idea. 2106 01:30:23,709 --> 01:30:25,420 Nope, that never happened." 2107 01:30:26,421 --> 01:30:29,799 And then came the bombshell of May. 2108 01:30:30,425 --> 01:30:32,552 Uh, good afternoon. Today, I want to provide 2109 01:30:32,677 --> 01:30:34,387 some, uh, comments and thoughts 2110 01:30:34,512 --> 01:30:38,474 on the report issued Friday by Ohio State University 2111 01:30:38,558 --> 01:30:40,184 regarding, um, 2112 01:30:40,268 --> 01:30:42,979 the situation with the late Dr. Richard Strauss. 2113 01:30:43,688 --> 01:30:46,649 [Marshall] The yearlong independent investigation 2114 01:30:46,732 --> 01:30:50,695 that OSU had paid for was finally released. 2115 01:30:50,778 --> 01:30:52,405 This investigation 2116 01:30:52,530 --> 01:30:55,158 was a good thing for them to do, 2117 01:30:55,241 --> 01:30:58,035 but the results were so unexpected 2118 01:30:58,161 --> 01:31:01,247 and so deeply troubling. 2119 01:31:02,623 --> 01:31:05,501 The Strauss report detailed acts of sexual abuse 2120 01:31:05,585 --> 01:31:09,422 against at least 177 former students 2121 01:31:09,547 --> 01:31:12,008 between 1978 and 1998, 2122 01:31:12,091 --> 01:31:14,927 and undoubtedly there are many other victims out there 2123 01:31:15,052 --> 01:31:17,221 who have not come forward. 2124 01:31:17,346 --> 01:31:20,266 [Marshall] When you see it all laid out in black and white 2125 01:31:20,391 --> 01:31:22,059 and you see the numbers, 2126 01:31:22,143 --> 01:31:23,811 it just broke my heart. 2127 01:31:25,188 --> 01:31:27,273 [Novakowski] I had no clue 2128 01:31:27,398 --> 01:31:29,650 how far the ripple effect had gone. 2129 01:31:29,734 --> 01:31:31,944 I had no clue, and so, 2130 01:31:32,945 --> 01:31:35,156 when I read it, I'm like, "Holy-- holy shit." 2131 01:31:37,408 --> 01:31:38,910 Holy shit. 2132 01:31:38,993 --> 01:31:40,995 I knew our experience, I knew my experience, 2133 01:31:41,078 --> 01:31:42,580 I knew Mike's experience, 2134 01:31:42,705 --> 01:31:44,874 I knew a few other of the guys' experiences. 2135 01:31:44,957 --> 01:31:47,293 I didn't know the extent of those experiences 2136 01:31:47,418 --> 01:31:49,045 nor the scope. 2137 01:31:50,254 --> 01:31:52,757 I read the report from cover to cover, 2138 01:31:53,341 --> 01:31:55,259 and the more I read, 2139 01:31:55,384 --> 01:31:56,636 the more pissed I got. 2140 01:31:56,761 --> 01:31:58,679 [grim music playing] 2141 01:31:58,763 --> 01:32:01,849 [DeWine] We should all be disgusted. 2142 01:32:03,100 --> 01:32:05,645 The complaints and reports about this sexual abuse 2143 01:32:05,770 --> 01:32:08,231 were not reported to higher authorities 2144 01:32:08,314 --> 01:32:10,191 by the athletic department 2145 01:32:10,274 --> 01:32:12,985 or Ohio State University's Student Health Center 2146 01:32:13,110 --> 01:32:15,029 until 1996, 2147 01:32:15,112 --> 01:32:18,741 more than 15 years after the first reports 2148 01:32:18,824 --> 01:32:21,160 were, in fact, received. 2149 01:32:21,285 --> 01:32:25,248 The most startling thing was just how many people 2150 01:32:25,331 --> 01:32:27,833 who were in a position to stop it 2151 01:32:27,959 --> 01:32:29,710 knew about it and did nothing. 2152 01:32:29,794 --> 01:32:31,587 [reporter] An independent report found 2153 01:32:31,671 --> 01:32:33,631 that Ohio State University had knowledge 2154 01:32:33,714 --> 01:32:35,883 that a doctor sexually abused students 2155 01:32:35,967 --> 01:32:38,010 dating as far back as the late '70s. 2156 01:32:38,135 --> 01:32:40,846 [reporter 2] The report found Strauss's behavior was 2157 01:32:40,972 --> 01:32:43,849 an "open secret" to more than 50 staff members 2158 01:32:43,975 --> 01:32:46,602 in Ohio State's athletic department. 2159 01:32:46,686 --> 01:32:48,479 They were aware, 2160 01:32:48,563 --> 01:32:50,064 and they covered it up. 2161 01:32:50,147 --> 01:32:52,275 They covered it up. 2162 01:32:53,651 --> 01:32:55,486 [Coleman] It's truly amazing 2163 01:32:55,611 --> 01:32:58,781 how many people had to look the other way 2164 01:32:58,864 --> 01:33:01,325 for him to get away with this that long. 2165 01:33:01,409 --> 01:33:03,494 [solemn music playing] 2166 01:33:04,495 --> 01:33:06,038 [reporter 1] ...the OSU investigation, 2167 01:33:06,163 --> 01:33:07,623 the allegations could affect your run? 2168 01:33:07,707 --> 01:33:09,000 Anyone can see through that story. 2169 01:33:09,125 --> 01:33:10,376 I've talked to numerous colleagues 2170 01:33:10,501 --> 01:33:11,877 and they can all see through that. 2171 01:33:12,003 --> 01:33:13,588 [reporter 2] Are you concerned at all? 2172 01:33:13,671 --> 01:33:15,214 [reporter 3] The congressman said again 2173 01:33:15,339 --> 01:33:17,133 he has denied ever knowing 2174 01:33:17,216 --> 01:33:18,342 about this abuse, denied... 2175 01:33:18,467 --> 01:33:19,969 [Adam] Jim Jordan's a coward. 2176 01:33:21,262 --> 01:33:22,471 He's a coward. 2177 01:33:22,555 --> 01:33:23,931 He's not a leader. 2178 01:33:24,015 --> 01:33:25,224 He's a coward. 2179 01:33:26,100 --> 01:33:27,810 He abandoned us. 2180 01:33:27,893 --> 01:33:29,604 Our head coach abandoned us. 2181 01:33:30,438 --> 01:33:32,106 This is disgusting. 2182 01:33:33,566 --> 01:33:35,192 [music fades] 2183 01:33:35,276 --> 01:33:37,987 [Feeney] I saw Russ at a wrestling event, 2184 01:33:38,070 --> 01:33:41,198 and he walked in. He's that, you know, that presence. 2185 01:33:41,324 --> 01:33:42,700 And he goes, "Hey, Fred, how are you?" 2186 01:33:42,825 --> 01:33:44,243 I shook his hand, I said, "Hey, Russ. 2187 01:33:44,368 --> 01:33:46,495 Russ, when are you gonna tell the truth?" 2188 01:33:47,413 --> 01:33:48,706 Yeah. And he just stopped. 2189 01:33:48,789 --> 01:33:50,207 He goes, "Fred, I'm not going there." 2190 01:33:50,291 --> 01:33:52,001 He goes, "But you have a good day." 2191 01:33:52,084 --> 01:33:53,919 And he... he walked away, 2192 01:33:54,045 --> 01:33:56,047 and I haven't talked to him since. 2193 01:33:59,008 --> 01:34:00,885 [Schyck] You know, early on, when this came out, 2194 01:34:00,968 --> 01:34:03,179 I had an opportunity to speak to the media 2195 01:34:03,262 --> 01:34:04,847 and I didn't choose to, 2196 01:34:04,930 --> 01:34:06,682 and I-I finally chose to 2197 01:34:06,766 --> 01:34:08,851 because Russ didn't. 2198 01:34:09,644 --> 01:34:11,520 Um, Jim Jordan didn't. 2199 01:34:12,063 --> 01:34:13,689 And, you know, the people that you thought 2200 01:34:13,773 --> 01:34:15,149 would be there standing up for you, 2201 01:34:16,651 --> 01:34:17,735 they didn't. 2202 01:34:17,818 --> 01:34:19,236 And so I-I decided 2203 01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:21,155 that I was gonna say something. 2204 01:34:21,238 --> 01:34:23,532 And I did it at the Board of Trustees meeting. 2205 01:34:23,616 --> 01:34:25,451 I didn't want to go to the newspaper. 2206 01:34:25,576 --> 01:34:27,745 I didn't want to say anything. I felt this would be the place 2207 01:34:27,870 --> 01:34:30,414 because I care about Ohio State. 2208 01:34:30,498 --> 01:34:32,041 I am someone... 2209 01:34:32,958 --> 01:34:34,669 [exhales, clears throat] 2210 01:34:34,752 --> 01:34:37,296 [somber music playing] 2211 01:34:48,265 --> 01:34:49,433 [sighs] 2212 01:34:50,685 --> 01:34:52,561 I bleed scarlet and gray. 2213 01:34:53,312 --> 01:34:54,438 [clears throat] 2214 01:34:56,273 --> 01:34:59,110 The best time of my life was to wrestle for the Buckeyes. 2215 01:35:00,486 --> 01:35:01,779 I've been seeing things 2216 01:35:01,862 --> 01:35:03,823 that have been written on social media. 2217 01:35:03,948 --> 01:35:06,075 I almost feel like I'm not a victim, 2218 01:35:06,867 --> 01:35:08,703 I was the problem. 2219 01:35:08,786 --> 01:35:11,372 I'm not the problem. We weren't the problem. 2220 01:35:12,039 --> 01:35:13,124 Some... 2221 01:35:14,166 --> 01:35:15,710 bad man was the problem. 2222 01:35:15,793 --> 01:35:18,629 And we just want you guys 2223 01:35:18,713 --> 01:35:20,047 to do the right thing 2224 01:35:20,131 --> 01:35:21,632 so we can move on. 2225 01:35:22,174 --> 01:35:24,218 I appreciate you guys giving us the time 2226 01:35:24,301 --> 01:35:25,511 to come up here and speak. 2227 01:35:27,346 --> 01:35:28,681 [Ritchie] Mike Schyck 2228 01:35:29,557 --> 01:35:31,434 said, "I'm coming up there and I'm talking 2229 01:35:31,517 --> 01:35:33,936 to the Board of Trustees." 2230 01:35:34,019 --> 01:35:35,521 I'm like, "Okay. 2231 01:35:35,646 --> 01:35:37,940 All right. I'm with you. I'll do it too." 2232 01:35:38,649 --> 01:35:41,444 And I got up there and I told my story. 2233 01:35:42,236 --> 01:35:43,988 Between the fall of 1988 2234 01:35:44,905 --> 01:35:46,949 until the fall of 1992, 2235 01:35:47,032 --> 01:35:49,785 I was subjected to a sexual predator 2236 01:35:49,869 --> 01:35:52,079 under the guise of a team doctor 2237 01:35:52,163 --> 01:35:54,582 in the employ of this university. 2238 01:35:55,499 --> 01:35:57,084 And based on your own report, 2239 01:35:57,168 --> 01:35:58,669 this university knew. 2240 01:35:58,794 --> 01:36:00,713 It knew prior to my enrollment 2241 01:36:00,838 --> 01:36:02,131 and it knew after. 2242 01:36:03,674 --> 01:36:07,386 We were let down by this university before, 2243 01:36:07,511 --> 01:36:09,013 and ultimately, it's your decision 2244 01:36:09,096 --> 01:36:11,348 on how you proceed from here. 2245 01:36:11,474 --> 01:36:13,601 So I leave you with this question: 2246 01:36:14,268 --> 01:36:17,396 Are you going to let us down again or do the right thing? 2247 01:36:17,521 --> 01:36:18,731 I thank you. 2248 01:36:20,232 --> 01:36:23,152 Rest assured that this board is not dismissing you. 2249 01:36:24,069 --> 01:36:26,030 We're committed to doing the right thing. 2250 01:36:27,281 --> 01:36:30,701 In public, OSU expresses contrition. 2251 01:36:30,785 --> 01:36:33,996 We at The Ohio State University are deeply sorry 2252 01:36:34,079 --> 01:36:37,041 for Strauss's abuse decades ago. 2253 01:36:37,124 --> 01:36:38,834 This was reprehensible, 2254 01:36:38,918 --> 01:36:41,003 and the university's failure to act at the time 2255 01:36:41,086 --> 01:36:42,338 is inexcusable. 2256 01:36:42,421 --> 01:36:44,965 [solemn music playing] 2257 01:36:45,049 --> 01:36:46,842 [man] We acknowledge the university's failures 2258 01:36:46,926 --> 01:36:49,178 during Strauss's time at Ohio State. 2259 01:36:49,261 --> 01:36:52,473 But this was manipulation, lying, and deceit. 2260 01:36:52,556 --> 01:36:54,350 Behind the scenes, 2261 01:36:54,433 --> 01:36:56,185 they begin fighting us 2262 01:36:56,268 --> 01:36:57,728 tooth and nail. 2263 01:37:00,648 --> 01:37:03,484 Ohio State, while professing to do the right thing, 2264 01:37:03,567 --> 01:37:05,569 actually moves to dismiss the entire case 2265 01:37:05,653 --> 01:37:07,363 on statute of limitations grounds. 2266 01:37:07,446 --> 01:37:08,989 Under Ohio law, 2267 01:37:09,073 --> 01:37:10,950 you have two years to bring a lawsuit. 2268 01:37:11,075 --> 01:37:13,285 It happened more than two years ago, 2269 01:37:13,410 --> 01:37:15,246 therefore you're out of luck. 2270 01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:18,541 The statute of limitations defense is 2271 01:37:18,624 --> 01:37:21,252 sort of the last refuge of scoundrels 2272 01:37:21,335 --> 01:37:22,670 in sexual abuse cases. 2273 01:37:24,004 --> 01:37:26,006 We've seen it from the Catholic Church. 2274 01:37:26,090 --> 01:37:28,050 We've seen it from the Boy Scouts. 2275 01:37:28,133 --> 01:37:30,636 We see this from all sorts of organizations 2276 01:37:30,761 --> 01:37:33,430 that are trying to avoid accountability. 2277 01:37:33,973 --> 01:37:36,308 And that's OSU's defense. 2278 01:37:36,433 --> 01:37:39,228 Basically, we were so successful 2279 01:37:39,311 --> 01:37:41,939 in hiding Dr. Strauss's abuse 2280 01:37:42,022 --> 01:37:45,359 that it's too late for you now to sue us. 2281 01:37:45,442 --> 01:37:48,320 [Marshall] Shock and anger from hundreds of plaintiffs 2282 01:37:48,445 --> 01:37:49,738 who have objected 2283 01:37:49,822 --> 01:37:51,657 to the university's request 2284 01:37:51,782 --> 01:37:53,868 that their lawsuit be dismissed 2285 01:37:53,951 --> 01:37:56,495 based on the statute of limitations. 2286 01:37:56,620 --> 01:37:59,081 I think when their own study revealed 2287 01:37:59,164 --> 01:38:02,543 just how many people were involved 2288 01:38:02,626 --> 01:38:05,629 and just how big this problem was, 2289 01:38:05,754 --> 01:38:06,964 they panicked. 2290 01:38:07,464 --> 01:38:09,174 [Maazel] It was a devastating report, 2291 01:38:09,300 --> 01:38:10,759 and as we now know, 2292 01:38:10,843 --> 01:38:13,137 the 177 survivors 2293 01:38:13,262 --> 01:38:17,224 was a very small fraction of the true number. 2294 01:38:17,308 --> 01:38:18,851 It's in the thousands. 2295 01:38:20,185 --> 01:38:21,812 It's mind-boggling. 2296 01:38:23,314 --> 01:38:27,735 It was a total and complete cover-up 2297 01:38:27,818 --> 01:38:30,362 at the highest levels of the university. 2298 01:38:31,322 --> 01:38:32,865 I mean, if there's one thing 2299 01:38:32,990 --> 01:38:34,950 OSU is good at, 2300 01:38:35,034 --> 01:38:36,952 other than football, 2301 01:38:37,036 --> 01:38:38,621 it's deceit. 2302 01:38:38,704 --> 01:38:41,498 [soft music playing] 2303 01:38:41,624 --> 01:38:44,877 Their strategy was, "We are going to say, 2304 01:38:45,002 --> 01:38:46,587 'You waited too long.'" 2305 01:38:46,670 --> 01:38:48,797 But what they didn't count on 2306 01:38:48,881 --> 01:38:51,717 was a federal judge taking a look at this 2307 01:38:51,842 --> 01:38:54,762 and saying, "The survivors are right. 2308 01:38:54,845 --> 01:38:58,474 Ohio State actively tried to hide this. 2309 01:38:58,557 --> 01:39:01,852 They protected this predator." 2310 01:39:03,771 --> 01:39:05,481 And they struck down OSU's 2311 01:39:05,564 --> 01:39:08,025 statute of limitations defense. 2312 01:39:08,609 --> 01:39:11,278 And suddenly, I think some powerful people 2313 01:39:11,362 --> 01:39:12,446 got nervous. 2314 01:39:13,197 --> 01:39:15,658 New at 11, The Ohio State University today 2315 01:39:15,741 --> 01:39:17,618 notified a federal district court 2316 01:39:17,701 --> 01:39:20,037 of its intention to set up what it's calling 2317 01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:22,957 the Strauss Individual Settlement Program, 2318 01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:25,542 bringing an end to about half the claims 2319 01:39:25,626 --> 01:39:27,503 filed against the university. 2320 01:39:28,212 --> 01:39:30,923 OSU put forward a pot of money 2321 01:39:31,048 --> 01:39:32,841 for survivors, 2322 01:39:32,925 --> 01:39:35,010 a sum that differed significantly 2323 01:39:35,094 --> 01:39:37,137 from that offered by other universities 2324 01:39:37,221 --> 01:39:40,265 facing their own sexual abuse scandals. 2325 01:39:40,391 --> 01:39:42,810 Penn State, Michigan State, 2326 01:39:42,893 --> 01:39:44,353 have held themselves accountable 2327 01:39:45,145 --> 01:39:46,981 in a way that OSU has not. 2328 01:39:48,941 --> 01:39:52,403 Plainly, OSU is not treating sexual abuse survivors 2329 01:39:52,486 --> 01:39:55,572 the way other universities have. 2330 01:39:55,656 --> 01:39:57,491 [Ritchie] Because we were male athletes. 2331 01:39:58,492 --> 01:39:59,785 That's why we're here. 2332 01:40:00,953 --> 01:40:03,163 That's why we're not acknowledged the same way. 2333 01:40:04,331 --> 01:40:06,250 [Ratliff] So guys would sit around 2334 01:40:06,375 --> 01:40:08,752 conscious of, "What are we doing 2335 01:40:08,836 --> 01:40:12,339 to male sexual abuse victims if we take this lower number?" 2336 01:40:13,924 --> 01:40:15,634 [Schyck] We could've settled. 2337 01:40:17,845 --> 01:40:19,930 I could've signed the agreement and-and, um, 2338 01:40:20,014 --> 01:40:21,765 and been on my way and said, "Whatever." 2339 01:40:22,599 --> 01:40:24,226 But beyond the low number 2340 01:40:24,309 --> 01:40:26,186 and what that signified, I read in there 2341 01:40:26,270 --> 01:40:28,939 that they were gonna take no accountability 2342 01:40:29,023 --> 01:40:30,899 for what was done 2343 01:40:30,983 --> 01:40:32,443 at all. 2344 01:40:32,526 --> 01:40:34,403 "We deny any wrongdoing." 2345 01:40:34,486 --> 01:40:36,030 That was written in there. 2346 01:40:36,113 --> 01:40:37,614 It's like, "Really?" 2347 01:40:37,740 --> 01:40:40,117 This is what they call a settlement program. 2348 01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:41,994 That's what they tried to bully us into. 2349 01:40:42,119 --> 01:40:44,121 That sounds like a great deal, OSU. 2350 01:40:44,246 --> 01:40:45,789 But that's not what they tell people. 2351 01:40:45,914 --> 01:40:48,834 They tell people, "Oh, he chose not to settle." 2352 01:40:50,794 --> 01:40:52,838 [birds chirping] 2353 01:40:52,963 --> 01:40:54,965 [Knight] But, you know, in spite of all this, 2354 01:40:55,090 --> 01:40:57,885 I still want to give olive branches and opportunity 2355 01:40:57,968 --> 01:40:59,887 to, like, make these things right. 2356 01:41:00,804 --> 01:41:04,391 'Cause at the end of the day, we're all Buckeyes. 2357 01:41:04,475 --> 01:41:06,518 We had this feeling that we are here 2358 01:41:06,643 --> 01:41:08,520 to bring your university down. 2359 01:41:09,980 --> 01:41:11,690 We are not here to do that. 2360 01:41:12,316 --> 01:41:14,526 I love this university. 2361 01:41:14,651 --> 01:41:16,278 We can do things great together 2362 01:41:16,361 --> 01:41:17,613 if we can all come back together 2363 01:41:17,696 --> 01:41:19,156 and if you can make this right. 2364 01:41:19,239 --> 01:41:21,116 [solemn music playing] 2365 01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:22,993 So I thank you for your time. 2366 01:41:23,118 --> 01:41:24,244 O-H. 2367 01:41:29,374 --> 01:41:31,335 I said, "O-H." 2368 01:41:31,418 --> 01:41:33,879 And someone's supposed to say, "I-O." 2369 01:41:35,839 --> 01:41:37,091 And they didn't. 2370 01:41:40,177 --> 01:41:42,262 And, like I told you, if you say that to somebody 2371 01:41:42,346 --> 01:41:43,847 and they don't say, "I-O," you're like, 2372 01:41:43,931 --> 01:41:45,432 "You're not a Buckeye." 2373 01:41:47,017 --> 01:41:48,644 You're something different. 2374 01:41:53,107 --> 01:41:55,859 [Ratliff] Ohio State still has no understanding 2375 01:41:55,984 --> 01:41:57,736 and has failed to acknowledge 2376 01:41:57,861 --> 01:42:00,614 the actual devastation they have caused 2377 01:42:00,697 --> 01:42:02,699 thousands of men. 2378 01:42:02,783 --> 01:42:03,909 Thousands of men. 2379 01:42:04,868 --> 01:42:06,537 High divorce rates, 2380 01:42:06,620 --> 01:42:08,413 high substance-abuse problems, 2381 01:42:08,539 --> 01:42:09,998 whether it be alcohol or drugs. 2382 01:42:10,082 --> 01:42:12,751 We've had several suicide attempts. 2383 01:42:14,044 --> 01:42:15,587 And I don't know one guy 2384 01:42:15,712 --> 01:42:17,548 that regularly goes to a doctor. 2385 01:42:17,673 --> 01:42:18,674 None of 'em. 2386 01:42:19,424 --> 01:42:20,968 It's really bad. 2387 01:42:21,426 --> 01:42:24,138 -[indistinct shouting] -[sticks slapping] 2388 01:42:25,556 --> 01:42:27,224 [Novakowski] You know, you-you-you do think 2389 01:42:27,349 --> 01:42:29,268 about the woulda-been, coulda-been, shoulda-been club 2390 01:42:29,393 --> 01:42:30,644 because you are part of that. 2391 01:42:30,727 --> 01:42:32,604 And that's-- I can't let myself 2392 01:42:32,729 --> 01:42:35,315 go there very often because it-it's not fun. 2393 01:42:39,903 --> 01:42:40,946 Yeah. 2394 01:42:45,742 --> 01:42:47,744 You know, somebody asked one time, they said, 2395 01:42:47,828 --> 01:42:50,289 "Are you a survivor or are you a victim?" 2396 01:42:50,414 --> 01:42:52,958 And they wanted to make that terminology distinct. 2397 01:42:53,083 --> 01:42:55,252 And I had to think about it, and I thought, "You know what, 2398 01:42:55,335 --> 01:42:57,129 I'm a survivor of sexual assault, 2399 01:42:57,254 --> 01:42:58,922 but I'm a victim of OSU." 2400 01:43:02,926 --> 01:43:05,679 [gentle music playing] 2401 01:43:12,144 --> 01:43:13,687 [Marshall] Attorneys for the plaintiffs 2402 01:43:13,770 --> 01:43:16,064 believe what OSU really wants to do 2403 01:43:16,148 --> 01:43:18,400 is delay or even block this case 2404 01:43:18,483 --> 01:43:20,652 from going to trial, and OSU... 2405 01:43:20,777 --> 01:43:22,613 [Schyck] If they want to keep spending money 2406 01:43:22,696 --> 01:43:24,907 to fight us in court, then we'll keep going. 2407 01:43:24,990 --> 01:43:27,492 If we have to go another five years, I'll go another five. 2408 01:43:27,618 --> 01:43:29,036 If we go ten, I'll go another ten. 2409 01:43:31,288 --> 01:43:33,290 Accountability is necessary. 2410 01:43:35,209 --> 01:43:37,377 [Ritchie] People ask, "Do you want money out of this?" 2411 01:43:37,461 --> 01:43:40,005 Yeah, you know what, I do, and I'll tell you why. 2412 01:43:40,130 --> 01:43:41,965 You punish somebody, 2413 01:43:42,090 --> 01:43:45,928 you give 'em a $5 fine and say, "Don't do it again," 2414 01:43:46,011 --> 01:43:48,222 they're gonna come back... [scoffs] ..."$5, that's fine. 2415 01:43:48,305 --> 01:43:50,933 Here, here's $5," and they're gonna do it again. 2416 01:43:51,016 --> 01:43:53,060 You hit 'em where it counts, and that's 2417 01:43:53,143 --> 01:43:55,646 the money that they have to shell out 2418 01:43:55,729 --> 01:43:57,814 because they did not protect 2419 01:43:57,940 --> 01:44:00,484 the athletes they were supposed to protect 2420 01:44:00,567 --> 01:44:02,653 when they brought 'em here to compete for them. 2421 01:44:02,736 --> 01:44:05,405 So, yes, I want them to pay out. 2422 01:44:07,658 --> 01:44:10,869 [gentle music continues] 2423 01:44:11,620 --> 01:44:13,664 [Schyck] This is my seventh year as coach, 2424 01:44:13,789 --> 01:44:15,249 and I'm a firm believer 2425 01:44:15,332 --> 01:44:17,709 that this sport teaches like no other. 2426 01:44:17,834 --> 01:44:19,086 [whistle blows] 2427 01:44:22,839 --> 01:44:25,217 You build these relationships with these guys 2428 01:44:25,342 --> 01:44:28,720 probably just as solid as a parent to your kid, you know? 2429 01:44:30,847 --> 01:44:33,183 And they get to that point where they trust you. 2430 01:44:33,267 --> 01:44:35,435 And it's so special. 2431 01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:38,522 I can't even fathom 2432 01:44:38,605 --> 01:44:41,149 not being there for my-- my guys. 2433 01:44:43,026 --> 01:44:44,069 Wow. 2434 01:44:45,946 --> 01:44:47,864 [music fades] 2435 01:44:47,948 --> 01:44:50,200 [poignant piano music playing] 2436 01:44:52,869 --> 01:44:54,246 In my wrestling room, 2437 01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:59,209 we've got a wall that's got a word, "integrity." 2438 01:45:00,711 --> 01:45:03,005 It's what I preach to my guys. 2439 01:45:04,256 --> 01:45:06,174 It's what truly defines you. 2440 01:45:28,238 --> 01:45:30,240 [crowd cheering] 2441 01:45:30,324 --> 01:45:33,827 [upbeat marching band music playing] 2442 01:45:36,121 --> 01:45:39,166 [dark, solemn music playing under marching band music] 2443 01:45:49,259 --> 01:45:51,011 [crowd cheering] 2444 01:46:27,631 --> 01:46:29,883 [marching band music and solemn music continue] 2445 01:46:58,078 --> 01:47:01,206 [marching band music ends] 2446 01:47:05,836 --> 01:47:07,587 [solemn music fades] 2447 01:47:07,671 --> 01:47:10,549 [gentle, melancholy music playing] 2448 01:47:56,928 --> 01:47:58,972 [music fades]