1 00:00:02,650 --> 00:00:03,830 Previously on Fatal Attraction... 2 00:00:04,030 --> 00:00:05,010 People are talking. You've been seen. 3 00:00:05,210 --> 00:00:06,660 YVETTE: Stella Chapman. 4 00:00:06,860 --> 00:00:08,580 When's the last time you talked to her? 5 00:00:08,780 --> 00:00:10,280 I mean, she hasn't showed up to work study since Tuesday, 6 00:00:10,470 --> 00:00:11,410 and she's not answering her texts. 7 00:00:11,610 --> 00:00:12,760 I-I wish I could help. 8 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,020 Is this a picture of the woman 9 00:00:15,220 --> 00:00:16,980 - who took you to the park? - That's her. 10 00:00:17,180 --> 00:00:18,410 She took my fucking kid. 11 00:00:18,610 --> 00:00:20,200 She kidnapped her right off the bus. 12 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,370 EARL: Alexandra Forrest, she's saying that you showed up 13 00:00:22,570 --> 00:00:23,900 - at her place and you assaulted her. - DAN: She's lying. 14 00:00:24,100 --> 00:00:25,380 But she's dead. I'm gonna find her body, 15 00:00:25,580 --> 00:00:27,850 then I'm gonna put you under the prison. 16 00:00:31,330 --> 00:00:32,430 We're gonna do it. Pay for it. 17 00:00:32,630 --> 00:00:34,560 The lawyer, the retainer. 18 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,430 I've been so worried that you aren't gonna know 19 00:00:36,630 --> 00:00:37,870 how much I loved you. 20 00:00:38,070 --> 00:00:39,960 DAN: It's my paperwork for a new trial. 21 00:00:40,160 --> 00:00:42,480 Why I deserve one. Alternative suspects. 22 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,700 I read your application. You lied 23 00:00:44,900 --> 00:00:46,570 to the investigating detective. 24 00:00:46,770 --> 00:00:48,880 You lied under oath at your trial, 25 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:50,880 you lied at your parole hearing. 26 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,360 I'm denying your motion for a new trial. 27 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,190 I don't need another trial to tell me 28 00:00:55,390 --> 00:00:56,800 what I already know. 29 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:58,980 Thank you for coming. 30 00:00:59,180 --> 00:01:01,110 Why wouldn't I? 31 00:01:01,310 --> 00:01:03,750 How else was I going to find out what you want? 32 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,810 [quiet chatter] 33 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,000 I don't know where to start. 34 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,570 It doesn't matter. Just start anywhere. Dive in. 35 00:01:30,770 --> 00:01:33,440 You asked what I want. 36 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:37,410 I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, 37 00:01:37,610 --> 00:01:41,710 as far as what you might have known and when. 38 00:01:41,910 --> 00:01:44,200 What Dan told you, 39 00:01:44,390 --> 00:01:46,930 said to you. Let you believe. 40 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,510 Whatever it was, by now you gotta know 41 00:01:51,710 --> 00:01:53,890 that none of it was real. 42 00:01:56,500 --> 00:01:59,510 I'm sorry about this. 43 00:02:01,770 --> 00:02:04,470 Thank you. 44 00:02:06,030 --> 00:02:08,520 I really, really am, about all of it. 45 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,220 I just can't imagine what you must be feeling right now. 46 00:02:12,420 --> 00:02:14,750 You've been put in such a terrible position. 47 00:02:14,950 --> 00:02:16,180 [inhales] 48 00:02:16,380 --> 00:02:19,610 Or that's how it must seem. 49 00:02:21,350 --> 00:02:25,710 Until you make yourself realize that it's how you look at it. 50 00:02:29,140 --> 00:02:30,720 What do you mean? 51 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:33,160 Well, if there's only one way for something to end, 52 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,990 there's only one decision to make... 53 00:02:36,190 --> 00:02:38,680 how are you gonna get to that ending? 54 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,510 Are you gonna fight, 55 00:02:40,710 --> 00:02:42,300 even though fighting is pointless? 56 00:02:42,500 --> 00:02:45,870 You'll just exhaust yourself and everybody around you 57 00:02:46,060 --> 00:02:47,650 until they can't even feel bad for you anymore, 58 00:02:47,850 --> 00:02:48,780 if they ever did. 59 00:02:48,980 --> 00:02:51,390 Just make it as hard and ugly 60 00:02:51,590 --> 00:02:53,870 as possible till you lose, 61 00:02:54,070 --> 00:02:57,220 which you were always going to do, or... 62 00:02:57,420 --> 00:02:59,040 not? 63 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,050 Were you... 64 00:03:06,270 --> 00:03:08,490 Did you do something to my mother? 65 00:03:15,710 --> 00:03:17,280 I'm pregnant. 66 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,250 Yeah, no. 67 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:35,990 I don't believe you. 68 00:03:40,260 --> 00:03:43,230 But there is something wrong with you, I can see that. 69 00:03:43,430 --> 00:03:44,620 I don't know what you're trying to do here, 70 00:03:44,820 --> 00:03:46,060 but you're delusional. 71 00:03:46,260 --> 00:03:47,840 You need help. 72 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,190 Did you tell Dan that you called me? 73 00:03:50,390 --> 00:03:52,530 Does he know that you're doing this? 74 00:03:54,580 --> 00:03:55,540 Oh. 75 00:03:55,740 --> 00:03:57,980 [clicks tongue, inhales] 76 00:03:58,180 --> 00:04:00,940 Oh, you don't even know what you don't know. 77 00:04:01,140 --> 00:04:02,550 Which is what? 78 00:04:02,750 --> 00:04:03,940 Don't act like you have some secret here. 79 00:04:04,140 --> 00:04:06,070 You don't have anything. 80 00:04:07,460 --> 00:04:10,300 Just stay the fuck away from my family. 81 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:13,000 I just want to give you the benefit of the doubt 82 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:14,560 about what Dan's been telling you, 83 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,040 about what he's been letting you believe. 84 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,300 About what's real. 85 00:04:39,450 --> 00:04:42,670 [sobbing] 86 00:04:43,930 --> 00:04:45,510 DAN: I just need you to remember who they are! 87 00:04:45,710 --> 00:04:47,380 - It's very important. - You're right in her face. 88 00:04:47,580 --> 00:04:48,600 - We need to do this right now. - MIKE: Give her a minute, Dan. 89 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:49,990 Ellen, Daddy is not mad at you. 90 00:04:50,190 --> 00:04:51,380 Did they tell you where they took you? 91 00:04:51,580 --> 00:04:52,770 - Did they... - BBETH: That's enough! 92 00:04:52,970 --> 00:04:54,340 Ellen, did she tell you who she was? 93 00:04:54,540 --> 00:04:55,460 - BETH: Come here. - Did she tell you her name?! 94 00:04:56,550 --> 00:04:57,480 BETH: What happened? 95 00:04:57,670 --> 00:05:00,090 Nothing. 96 00:05:00,290 --> 00:05:02,650 So, Ellen, this is important. 97 00:05:02,850 --> 00:05:04,180 Nothing bad. 98 00:05:04,380 --> 00:05:06,260 We walked around. 99 00:05:08,910 --> 00:05:10,750 What? 100 00:05:10,950 --> 00:05:13,750 We had cotton candy. 101 00:05:13,950 --> 00:05:15,710 [exhales] 102 00:05:15,910 --> 00:05:18,060 That's fine. I don't care about that. 103 00:05:18,260 --> 00:05:20,320 I only care that you're okay. 104 00:05:21,660 --> 00:05:22,940 She knew you. 105 00:05:23,130 --> 00:05:25,240 - Both of you. - How? Knew us how? 106 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,810 She knew things about you. 107 00:05:28,010 --> 00:05:30,460 Knew your name, knew where you worked. 108 00:05:30,660 --> 00:05:32,030 She said Dad sent her. 109 00:05:32,230 --> 00:05:35,810 He didn't. And we don't know her. 110 00:05:44,210 --> 00:05:45,610 What else did she say? 111 00:05:45,810 --> 00:05:47,740 I have to go to the bathroom. Is that okay? 112 00:05:47,940 --> 00:05:50,830 Of course it's okay, silly. 113 00:05:51,030 --> 00:05:53,870 - Are you hungry? - Grilled cheese? 114 00:05:55,700 --> 00:05:57,840 BETH: I think I did this. I made it happen. 115 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,320 ARTHUR [over phone]: Made what happen? 116 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,150 By talking to her, making her angry. 117 00:06:01,350 --> 00:06:02,320 You made her burn a house down? 118 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:03,890 She fucking tried to kill me. 119 00:06:04,090 --> 00:06:06,590 She didn't care if I died or if anyone died. 120 00:06:06,790 --> 00:06:08,070 You-you were there. 121 00:06:08,270 --> 00:06:09,550 Yeah, I was. 122 00:06:09,750 --> 00:06:11,030 I can't think. 123 00:06:11,230 --> 00:06:12,940 But why, why would she take Ellen, 124 00:06:13,140 --> 00:06:14,290 but then bring her back? 125 00:06:14,490 --> 00:06:16,680 To prove she can. To send a message. 126 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,560 It's not a message if you don't know what it means. 127 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,250 She knows. 128 00:06:20,450 --> 00:06:22,390 She knows, she knows what she's thinking. 129 00:06:22,590 --> 00:06:23,600 She knows what she's gonna do next. 130 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,690 All I can do is just wait 131 00:06:25,890 --> 00:06:27,960 and react after it happens. 132 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,000 Well, where's Dan? I mean, what does he say? 133 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,480 He's off somewhere with Mike pretending that they can 134 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,270 figure out something to do, 135 00:06:35,470 --> 00:06:36,750 - pretending that they can read her mind. - Beth... 136 00:06:36,950 --> 00:06:39,050 But the truth is, is if he could stop her, 137 00:06:39,250 --> 00:06:41,670 he would have done it before I ever knew she existed. 138 00:06:41,870 --> 00:06:43,800 But he didn't... 139 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,700 because he can't. 140 00:06:46,790 --> 00:06:48,750 [sniffles] 141 00:06:57,280 --> 00:06:59,200 [door opens] 142 00:07:01,110 --> 00:07:02,250 [door closes] 143 00:07:02,450 --> 00:07:03,510 [lock clicks] 144 00:07:03,710 --> 00:07:05,690 Where were you? 145 00:07:05,890 --> 00:07:07,040 With Mike. 146 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,610 We're going to the FBI. 147 00:07:09,810 --> 00:07:11,480 When? 148 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,870 - What are you gonna tell them? - Tomorrow. 149 00:07:15,070 --> 00:07:16,440 [inhales] 150 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,740 And we're gonna tell them everything. 151 00:07:21,650 --> 00:07:23,100 - And then what happens? - We can talk about this 152 00:07:23,300 --> 00:07:25,540 some more if you like, but... 153 00:07:25,740 --> 00:07:27,790 I really need to lay down. 154 00:07:29,570 --> 00:07:31,620 [footsteps receding] 155 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,340 [sighs] 156 00:08:03,130 --> 00:08:04,270 JORGE: What the fuck? This is crazy. 157 00:08:04,470 --> 00:08:06,360 You deserve that fucking trial. 158 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,140 I mean, obviously, I saw you were getting Judge Webb 159 00:08:08,340 --> 00:08:09,750 when I read it, and I knew she was up for reappointment. 160 00:08:09,950 --> 00:08:11,450 But for real, what the fuck? 161 00:08:11,650 --> 00:08:13,580 Webb must really be scared of the D.A. or something? 162 00:08:13,780 --> 00:08:15,020 No idea why that would be, 163 00:08:15,220 --> 00:08:16,500 considering how far back they go, but... 164 00:08:16,700 --> 00:08:18,070 [sighs] I'm sorry. 165 00:08:18,270 --> 00:08:20,460 - It's okay. - No, it's a bunch of bullshit. 166 00:08:20,660 --> 00:08:22,460 Mikey, how could you let this happen? 167 00:08:22,660 --> 00:08:24,030 What? 168 00:08:24,230 --> 00:08:26,210 I'm smart, but I can't see around corners. 169 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,560 Breakfast buffet still not set up? 170 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:29,990 Eh, they're doing it now. I didn't want to hover. 171 00:08:30,190 --> 00:08:32,200 JORGE: You're gonna appeal it, right? 172 00:08:34,030 --> 00:08:36,690 What were you thinking you would do while you do that? 173 00:08:36,890 --> 00:08:40,000 Well, I was hoping that I could come back here 174 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,310 and get the job that I used to have. 175 00:08:42,510 --> 00:08:44,620 JORGE: Yes, exactly. Great plan. 176 00:08:44,810 --> 00:08:47,010 Also, before all this, I'd actually been thinking about 177 00:08:47,210 --> 00:08:49,790 a more supervisory role for you. 178 00:08:49,990 --> 00:08:52,540 Managerial. Paralegal program director-type thing. 179 00:08:52,740 --> 00:08:54,970 More, but not astronomically more money 180 00:08:55,170 --> 00:08:56,320 for a way more annoying gig. 181 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,850 It's great, right? You're welcome. 182 00:08:59,050 --> 00:09:01,500 Stop trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. 183 00:09:01,700 --> 00:09:03,500 Yeah. 184 00:09:03,700 --> 00:09:04,850 Separate, but not unrelated, 185 00:09:05,050 --> 00:09:06,850 I have the authority to offer you 186 00:09:07,050 --> 00:09:08,770 a legal investigator gig. 187 00:09:08,970 --> 00:09:12,080 Oh, dear. And I have the authority to accept. 188 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,470 I know none of this makes the other things better, 189 00:09:15,670 --> 00:09:18,550 but at least I'm getting what I want. 190 00:09:22,380 --> 00:09:24,870 ELLEN: I take the first two entrees on the menu, and I compare them. 191 00:09:25,070 --> 00:09:27,350 And then, whatever one that wins, 192 00:09:27,550 --> 00:09:29,140 then I take the third one, and I compare it to that. 193 00:09:29,340 --> 00:09:32,050 And then so on. And then, whatever the winner is 194 00:09:32,250 --> 00:09:34,750 of all of the entrees, and I compare to the specials, 195 00:09:34,950 --> 00:09:37,100 if there are any, and that's how I decide 196 00:09:37,300 --> 00:09:39,710 - what I'm going to order. - Mm. 197 00:09:39,910 --> 00:09:43,330 Is the restaurant still open at this point? 198 00:09:43,530 --> 00:09:46,070 Maybe you like paying money to feel vaguely dissatisfied 199 00:09:46,270 --> 00:09:49,420 after you eat, but I, however, do not. 200 00:09:49,620 --> 00:09:52,120 That reminds me of something your mother use to say. 201 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,860 Which I can't actually remember right now, 202 00:09:55,060 --> 00:09:56,680 but I promise you it was perfect. 203 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,610 Did your mother talk to you about 204 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,250 what she and I were discussing? 205 00:10:05,380 --> 00:10:07,870 [sighs] 206 00:10:08,070 --> 00:10:10,140 I'm not gonna be getting a new trial. 207 00:10:10,330 --> 00:10:12,750 The judge denied me. 208 00:10:12,950 --> 00:10:14,650 Can you go to another judge? 209 00:10:15,650 --> 00:10:18,270 I can appeal, yeah. 210 00:10:18,470 --> 00:10:20,060 Are you going to? 211 00:10:20,260 --> 00:10:21,710 [sighs] 212 00:10:21,910 --> 00:10:23,800 I have 30 days to file notice. 213 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,630 But then, after that, there would probably be 214 00:10:25,830 --> 00:10:27,760 another year or so of process. 215 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,810 And even at the end of all that, 216 00:10:30,010 --> 00:10:32,370 the likelihood of a new judge overturning 217 00:10:32,570 --> 00:10:35,900 the old judge's decision is... 218 00:10:36,100 --> 00:10:38,370 unlikely. 219 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,600 So... 220 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,910 I have to think about it. 221 00:10:46,110 --> 00:10:47,650 BARTENDER: Here you go. 222 00:10:47,850 --> 00:10:49,640 Thank you. 223 00:10:50,950 --> 00:10:53,440 There used to be this dive bar on Pico. 224 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:54,920 Mike loved this place. 225 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,400 And when you ordered one of these, 226 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,620 the swizzle stick, instead of being this, 227 00:10:58,820 --> 00:11:01,750 was a slab of thick-cut bacon. 228 00:11:01,950 --> 00:11:03,140 That slaps. 229 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,500 - Sounds awesome. - Mm-hmm. 230 00:11:08,700 --> 00:11:11,460 [breathes deeply] 231 00:11:11,660 --> 00:11:13,020 Yeah. 232 00:11:13,220 --> 00:11:15,500 It really was. 233 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:19,900 Is that place still there? 234 00:11:20,100 --> 00:11:22,850 I'm gonna assume no. 235 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:27,730 To freedom. 236 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:42,490 Hey, you're Dan Gallagher. 237 00:11:42,690 --> 00:11:44,530 I am. What can I do for you? 238 00:11:44,730 --> 00:11:46,190 Steve Scirocco. I do criminal defense. 239 00:11:46,390 --> 00:11:48,410 I know. I watch the news. 240 00:11:48,610 --> 00:11:50,800 You consulting with one of the partners here? 241 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,800 No, I am one of the partners here, 242 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,590 as of, uh, day before yesterday. 243 00:11:54,790 --> 00:11:56,420 Merged my practice with these guys. 244 00:11:56,610 --> 00:11:57,900 Let them pay my overhead, right? 245 00:11:58,090 --> 00:11:59,980 Let me focus on the razzle-dazzle. 246 00:12:00,180 --> 00:12:01,860 Congratulations. 247 00:12:02,060 --> 00:12:03,640 They must be very excited. 248 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:04,820 - Or they should be. - ...is right. 249 00:12:05,010 --> 00:12:07,430 But, also, they are. 250 00:12:07,630 --> 00:12:10,030 Speaking of excited, I'm excited you're here. 251 00:12:11,770 --> 00:12:13,300 Not sure why, but thank you. 252 00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:15,960 Well, imagine you're me. 253 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,220 Imagine you find out that Dan Gallagher, 254 00:12:18,420 --> 00:12:19,660 former head of Major Crimes Bureau 255 00:12:19,860 --> 00:12:22,660 before going to prison for murder 256 00:12:22,860 --> 00:12:25,350 is now a paralegal at the firm you just joined. 257 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,800 The spit take I did ruined my favorite shirt. 258 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,020 Unless you lost your memory or something. 259 00:12:31,210 --> 00:12:32,100 - You haven't, have you? - No. 260 00:12:32,300 --> 00:12:33,370 There you go. 261 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:34,850 Couldn't be more useful to me 262 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:36,190 if I'd baked you myself. 263 00:12:36,390 --> 00:12:39,020 In fact, I got a case on deck 264 00:12:39,220 --> 00:12:40,760 I've already told everyone I'm pulling all your free hours 265 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:42,680 to help me out on. 266 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:44,590 You watch the news. It's been getting a lot of play. 267 00:12:44,790 --> 00:12:47,070 Rebecca Richter? 268 00:12:47,270 --> 00:12:49,730 Yes, the... the Murder Mistress. 269 00:12:49,930 --> 00:12:51,600 Pretty lazy headlining, I agree. 270 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,990 Especially when "Home Richter's" right there for the taking. 271 00:12:54,190 --> 00:12:55,780 That case seems pretty light, unless... 272 00:12:55,980 --> 00:12:57,650 No, no. What you saw is all they got. 273 00:12:57,850 --> 00:12:59,000 They offered to plea to manslaughter, 274 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,650 which tells me they're scared, so, 275 00:13:01,850 --> 00:13:03,570 I want to go all-in. 276 00:13:03,770 --> 00:13:07,010 According to Rebecca, the husband had a temper. 277 00:13:07,210 --> 00:13:08,660 She thinks the wife found out about them, 278 00:13:08,860 --> 00:13:10,450 confronted him, and then he figured out a way 279 00:13:10,650 --> 00:13:11,930 to pin the killing on Rebecca-- who's loaded, by the way. 280 00:13:12,130 --> 00:13:13,100 Her father made a shit-ton developing 281 00:13:13,300 --> 00:13:15,190 in the Central Valley. 282 00:13:15,390 --> 00:13:17,890 - So what's your strategy? - My strategy's to get you the case file. 283 00:13:18,090 --> 00:13:20,060 Then you tell me what my strategy is. 284 00:13:20,260 --> 00:13:21,980 How's that? [chuckles] 285 00:13:22,180 --> 00:13:24,590 That sounds great. I'll take a look. 286 00:13:24,790 --> 00:13:28,200 Great. Hyped to be working with the man, the myth. 287 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,290 And, um... 288 00:13:31,490 --> 00:13:33,730 I'm looking forward to hearing the story. 289 00:13:33,930 --> 00:13:36,520 - What story? - What you did. 290 00:13:36,710 --> 00:13:38,950 And how. The real one. 291 00:13:39,150 --> 00:13:40,080 I mean, they took their pound of flesh. 292 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:41,650 You paid the piper. 293 00:13:41,850 --> 00:13:43,130 You don't have to go wide, or even public, 294 00:13:43,330 --> 00:13:44,390 but you don't have to pretend anymore. 295 00:13:44,590 --> 00:13:46,650 At least not with me. 296 00:13:48,950 --> 00:13:50,750 I'm not pretending. I didn't kill that woman. 297 00:13:50,950 --> 00:13:53,830 Of course. Of course you didn't. 298 00:13:56,700 --> 00:13:59,020 Because we don't know each other well enough yet. 299 00:13:59,220 --> 00:14:00,930 But we will. 300 00:14:01,130 --> 00:14:03,460 So eventually you'll tell me. You won't be able to help it. 301 00:14:03,650 --> 00:14:05,930 I can't wait. [clicks tongue] 302 00:14:09,710 --> 00:14:10,850 He said, "You know, well, 303 00:14:11,050 --> 00:14:12,640 obviously she fell off the roof." 304 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,600 I say, "She fell off the roof. What if she was thrown 305 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,030 off the roof?" He goes, 306 00:14:16,230 --> 00:14:17,160 "Well, I got nothing to indicate that." 307 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:18,510 - [laughs] - Shit. Fuck. 308 00:14:18,710 --> 00:14:19,860 You know, I used to hate-- 309 00:14:20,060 --> 00:14:21,600 You get a report from a guy like that, 310 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,000 and it's all, you know, "the undersigned conversed 311 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:25,910 with the oversigned about the fuckin' aforementioned." 312 00:14:26,110 --> 00:14:27,780 - What the fuck are we doing? - Exactly. 313 00:14:27,980 --> 00:14:29,130 - Here you go, sir. - Oh, hey. Thank you. 314 00:14:29,330 --> 00:14:30,130 - [speaks indistinctly] - That's you. 315 00:14:30,330 --> 00:14:31,270 - Thank you. - Yeah. 316 00:14:31,470 --> 00:14:32,790 Yeah, write-- write the shit 317 00:14:32,990 --> 00:14:33,880 so that when you read it in front of a jury, 318 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:35,400 they can understand the shit. 319 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,710 Thank you. And so after you get transferred, 320 00:14:37,910 --> 00:14:39,270 the guy who picks up your fucking case 321 00:14:39,470 --> 00:14:41,100 and has to work it, he can understand the shit. 322 00:14:41,300 --> 00:14:42,800 - Yeah. - You know? 323 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,980 "The premises in question were presently unoccupied." 324 00:14:45,170 --> 00:14:47,540 - So... Just say nobody was home. - "He wasn't home." 325 00:14:47,740 --> 00:14:49,320 [both laugh] 326 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,510 [groans] 327 00:14:53,700 --> 00:14:54,940 Thought you told me 1:30. 328 00:14:55,140 --> 00:14:56,380 - I did. - He did, 329 00:14:56,580 --> 00:14:59,330 but when I'm hungry, I eat. 330 00:15:04,070 --> 00:15:06,130 So how's it going? 331 00:15:06,330 --> 00:15:08,090 I can tell by your face 332 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:09,700 you already know the answer to that question. 333 00:15:09,890 --> 00:15:11,830 Sorry. 334 00:15:12,030 --> 00:15:14,310 Why? If you're so sure I'm the guy? 335 00:15:14,510 --> 00:15:15,880 Yeah, but you don't think you're the guy, 336 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,440 so it must have been a gut punch, considering. 337 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,790 - You gonna appeal? - I told you he isn't. 338 00:15:20,990 --> 00:15:22,360 Yeah, I-I know you did, but it just seems like 339 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,280 something a guy who says he's not the guy would do. 340 00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:26,580 The guy who's not really the guy is fucking tired, okay? 341 00:15:26,780 --> 00:15:29,240 EARL: Mm-hmm. It's tiring, isn't it? 342 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,930 Thinking about people killing other people and why. 343 00:15:34,490 --> 00:15:37,200 Next question. So, out of all the alternates 344 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,460 that you guys have found, who you think it is? 345 00:15:40,590 --> 00:15:43,080 Drug dealer doctor makes the most sense to me. 346 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,170 You know, somebody he's working with or working for. 347 00:15:45,370 --> 00:15:46,860 Told 'em what she said. 348 00:15:47,060 --> 00:15:49,300 They told him she's gotta go. Bibbity-boppity-boo. 349 00:15:49,500 --> 00:15:50,820 How did you read my application? 350 00:15:51,020 --> 00:15:52,780 Well, you filed it with the court, cool guy. 351 00:15:52,980 --> 00:15:54,470 The records room pulled it for me. 352 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:58,880 What, you're surprised that I'm motivated 353 00:15:59,070 --> 00:16:00,440 - by my own fucking case? - DAN: No. 354 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,180 I'm just confused, 355 00:16:02,380 --> 00:16:04,140 - since you're so sure I did it. - Which he didn't. 356 00:16:04,340 --> 00:16:05,490 - Except he's so sure that you didn't do it. - Yeah. 357 00:16:05,690 --> 00:16:06,930 - And if he's right... - Which I am. 358 00:16:07,130 --> 00:16:08,360 ...which he isn't, I want to be there 359 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:09,930 to see it for myself. 360 00:16:10,130 --> 00:16:12,020 So what happens now? You guys drive around 361 00:16:12,220 --> 00:16:14,370 in a van solving mysteries? 362 00:16:14,570 --> 00:16:16,280 [laughs] No, not mysteries. 363 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,420 A mystery. 364 00:16:18,620 --> 00:16:20,670 Who killed Alex Forrest? 365 00:16:21,930 --> 00:16:23,730 [whispers]: You did. 366 00:16:23,930 --> 00:16:25,890 But yeah. 367 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,040 [upbeat song playing through speakers] 368 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,250 ♪ 369 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,220 BETH: He said he hadn't decided. 370 00:16:37,420 --> 00:16:39,350 Uh, yeah, but he was just talking about how long 371 00:16:39,550 --> 00:16:41,480 that process would be, you know, like-- like a year. 372 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,880 And how at the end of it he was 373 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,100 pretty much already sure that the answer would be no. 374 00:16:46,300 --> 00:16:47,710 So why bother? 375 00:16:47,910 --> 00:16:49,570 ELLEN: Yeah, that's what it seemed like. 376 00:16:50,610 --> 00:16:51,490 [groans] 377 00:16:51,690 --> 00:16:54,150 - What? - Nothing. 378 00:16:54,350 --> 00:16:55,280 It's just, whatever you're up to over there, 379 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:56,540 it feels a little bit to me 380 00:16:56,740 --> 00:16:58,060 like the difference between 381 00:16:58,260 --> 00:17:00,240 tactics and strategy, that's all. 382 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:01,550 Oh, that's all, is it? 383 00:17:01,750 --> 00:17:03,550 ARTHUR: Mm-hmm. 384 00:17:03,750 --> 00:17:04,770 So he's done, then? 385 00:17:04,970 --> 00:17:06,420 He's just gonna... 386 00:17:06,620 --> 00:17:07,990 let it all go? 387 00:17:08,190 --> 00:17:09,720 ELLEN: Guess so. 388 00:17:11,070 --> 00:17:12,860 But, I mean, isn't that what you thought 389 00:17:13,060 --> 00:17:14,300 that he should do to begin with? 390 00:17:14,500 --> 00:17:16,470 Yeah. 391 00:17:16,670 --> 00:17:18,350 I just never thought he would. 392 00:17:18,550 --> 00:17:20,870 Strategy is your broad-spectrum goal. 393 00:17:21,070 --> 00:17:23,570 Tactics are your short-term steps you take to achieve 394 00:17:23,770 --> 00:17:25,790 your strategic goal. 395 00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:27,790 ELLEN [Muppety voice]: Meh, meh-meh meh-meh-meh, meh meh meh. 396 00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:30,180 [continues babbling] 397 00:17:30,380 --> 00:17:33,270 How does he cook in Mike's mom's garage? 398 00:17:33,470 --> 00:17:35,280 Or is it just takeout? 399 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,230 ELLEN: Uh, there's a kitchenette. 400 00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:38,890 But I think Mike cooks for both of them. 401 00:17:39,090 --> 00:17:41,020 By which you mean he melts cheese 402 00:17:41,220 --> 00:17:43,240 - on top of Tater Tots? - And the problem with that would be what? 403 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:44,680 - [chuckles] - So hang on. 404 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,720 Let me just understand this. 405 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,290 Me hanging onto the eight of clubs because 406 00:17:49,490 --> 00:17:50,810 I knew that you were waiting for it was tactical, 407 00:17:51,010 --> 00:17:52,540 not strategic? 408 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,510 Gin. Or was it maybe both? 409 00:17:56,710 --> 00:17:58,730 ARTHUR: What are you, like, some type of Bond villain? 410 00:17:58,930 --> 00:18:00,340 - ELLEN: Mm-hmm. - Hmm? 411 00:18:00,540 --> 00:18:02,560 Should we have him over 412 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,080 to eat or something? 413 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,220 Or would that be too weird? 414 00:18:15,870 --> 00:18:17,570 We'll find out when we do it. 415 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:23,280 JORGE: Perfect timing. 416 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,060 Thank you. 417 00:18:26,620 --> 00:18:29,420 You all right? 418 00:18:29,620 --> 00:18:31,240 Steve Scirocco came to see me. 419 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,160 Oh, shit, yeah, I was supposed to give you 420 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:34,680 a heads-up about that. 421 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,340 - He's a lot, huh? - Mm-hmm. 422 00:18:36,540 --> 00:18:38,300 But he's also our managing partner's friend 423 00:18:38,490 --> 00:18:39,990 since high school, so he's here till he doesn't want to be. 424 00:18:40,190 --> 00:18:42,470 Pretty much the definition of "necessary evil." 425 00:18:42,670 --> 00:18:45,040 - He wants you on that Murder Mistress. - Yeah. 426 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,000 Yeah, that's what he said. 427 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,390 Well, I-I won't let him monopolize you, okay? 428 00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:51,400 I got something on deck right now. 429 00:18:51,590 --> 00:18:52,610 I can fit in two, three pro bono 430 00:18:52,810 --> 00:18:54,050 criminal cases a year. 431 00:18:54,250 --> 00:18:55,560 Steve would just have to share you. 432 00:18:58,350 --> 00:18:59,270 What? 433 00:18:59,470 --> 00:19:02,190 He thinks that I killed her. 434 00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:04,620 Wanted me to tell him everything. 435 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:08,660 He wants me to have done it. 436 00:19:10,410 --> 00:19:11,500 What is that? 437 00:19:11,700 --> 00:19:14,550 [sighs] 438 00:19:14,750 --> 00:19:17,810 You know Sammy "The Bull" Gravano's got a podcast? 439 00:19:18,010 --> 00:19:19,160 Or YouTube Channel, maybe. 440 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:21,160 Talking about killing his best friend, 441 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:23,910 his brother-in-law, 16, 17 other people. 442 00:19:24,110 --> 00:19:27,260 Sitting in a big armchair next to a fucking fireplace. 443 00:19:27,460 --> 00:19:29,390 That's what that is. 444 00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:30,960 Murder is a brand now. 445 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,050 You want people to know you're not a killer, 446 00:19:34,250 --> 00:19:37,520 but a lot of them would like you better if you were. 447 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,530 [indistinct chatter] 448 00:19:53,670 --> 00:19:56,760 - Hey. Where have you been? - Really? 449 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,030 People have been asking questions about you. 450 00:19:59,230 --> 00:20:01,290 Yeah? What'd you tell them? 451 00:20:01,490 --> 00:20:03,950 I said I didn't know. 452 00:20:04,150 --> 00:20:06,040 You are unbelievable. 453 00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:07,780 What are we talking about now? 454 00:20:07,980 --> 00:20:09,470 Someone called Admissions, 455 00:20:09,670 --> 00:20:11,690 said that I lied on my application 456 00:20:11,890 --> 00:20:13,740 about the probation, the conviction. 457 00:20:13,940 --> 00:20:15,440 They kicked me out of school. 458 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,350 Without my aid package, I can't even stay in L.A. 459 00:20:17,550 --> 00:20:18,570 I'm gonna have to go back home. 460 00:20:18,770 --> 00:20:20,480 Who? 461 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,180 Who called them? 462 00:20:22,380 --> 00:20:24,620 - You, Ellen. - They told you that? 463 00:20:24,820 --> 00:20:26,140 No one here knew but you. 464 00:20:26,340 --> 00:20:28,580 People always assume no one knows things. 465 00:20:28,780 --> 00:20:31,060 It was a juvenile record. It was sealed. 466 00:20:31,260 --> 00:20:32,760 Are you sure? 467 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,540 - Are you fucking kidding? - No, really. Are you sure? 468 00:20:35,740 --> 00:20:37,150 Did you do everything that it takes 469 00:20:37,350 --> 00:20:39,890 to make sure that a juvenile record is sealed? 470 00:20:40,090 --> 00:20:41,550 Because you know that it doesn't actually 471 00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:43,290 just happen automatically, even though 472 00:20:43,490 --> 00:20:44,940 they would like to make you think that it does. 473 00:20:45,140 --> 00:20:47,250 Ellen, you did this. 474 00:20:47,450 --> 00:20:48,510 Why? 475 00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:50,250 [sighs] 476 00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:52,080 I don't know. 477 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,430 Why would I do it? 478 00:20:55,630 --> 00:20:56,650 I can't even... 479 00:20:56,850 --> 00:20:59,470 You're a fucking liar. 480 00:21:01,210 --> 00:21:03,170 Well, you would know. 481 00:21:07,570 --> 00:21:09,000 [exhales] 482 00:21:16,270 --> 00:21:17,930 Marked patrol car, me and my partner. 483 00:21:18,130 --> 00:21:20,150 Midnight to 8:00 a.m. in the springtime, lovely time. 484 00:21:20,350 --> 00:21:22,150 We stop in and get a coffee. I come out, 485 00:21:22,350 --> 00:21:23,850 and this couple's running toward me. 486 00:21:24,050 --> 00:21:25,720 "Help, police! Help!" 487 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,250 What's going on? They go, 488 00:21:27,450 --> 00:21:29,510 "We were at a house party over on Magnolia." 489 00:21:29,710 --> 00:21:30,990 And they're looking out over the, uh, 490 00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:32,510 you know, one of those glassed-in 491 00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:34,860 kind of backyard greenhouse type of things. 492 00:21:35,060 --> 00:21:36,780 But it's got furniture in it, too, a table 493 00:21:36,980 --> 00:21:38,340 and there are some chairs, and they got this 494 00:21:38,540 --> 00:21:40,610 slice of tree trunk coffee table in there. 495 00:21:40,810 --> 00:21:42,740 How do you remember what the coffee table looked like? 496 00:21:42,940 --> 00:21:44,220 Wasn't this the '90s? 497 00:21:44,420 --> 00:21:47,050 [scoffs] And anyway, they look down, 498 00:21:47,250 --> 00:21:48,700 and there's a guy in there, and he's walking around, 499 00:21:48,900 --> 00:21:50,570 - and he's talking to himself. - Yes, please. 500 00:21:50,770 --> 00:21:52,880 They go, "Oh, look at this. He's probably just an actor 501 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,230 rehearsing his lines or something." 502 00:21:54,430 --> 00:21:56,490 But then he stops and he bends down, 503 00:21:56,690 --> 00:22:00,370 and he picks up a circular saw that he'd plugged in already, 504 00:22:00,570 --> 00:22:02,460 - and he flops his arm down on the tree trunk... - No. 505 00:22:02,660 --> 00:22:04,200 ...coffee table, and crank! 506 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:05,850 - Oh! - Ah! Ugh. 507 00:22:06,050 --> 00:22:08,240 - He saws it off. - Will you get out of here? 508 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,420 - No, he did. He really did. - No, no, get out of here 509 00:22:10,620 --> 00:22:12,600 with your limb-sawing gross story 510 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:13,900 at my brunch table. 511 00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:15,730 Hey, don't get all sensitive on me. 512 00:22:15,930 --> 00:22:17,820 - We all saw what you did to those eggs. - [Dan chuckles] 513 00:22:18,020 --> 00:22:19,730 - You scrambled the shit out of 'em. - ELLEN: Egg after egg 514 00:22:19,930 --> 00:22:21,950 after egg; you were out of control. 515 00:22:22,150 --> 00:22:23,910 - All I could do was watch helplessly. - Well, anyway, 516 00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:28,480 there was a big green planter in the corner of the courtyard. 517 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,440 Nice emerald deep green, and well done. 518 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:32,960 Anyway, that's where I found it. 519 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,180 - The arm? - The arm. - BETH: What!? 520 00:22:35,380 --> 00:22:37,140 - It was planted in there? - No, no. 521 00:22:37,340 --> 00:22:38,800 He just laid it in there. 522 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,970 He didn't plant it. 523 00:22:41,170 --> 00:22:42,670 [laughs] 524 00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:44,110 DAN: Sylvie Rubidoh. 525 00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:45,890 Her kids report her missing. 526 00:22:46,090 --> 00:22:47,760 - [phone ringing] - Husband said that he was at work, 527 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,290 but we know he's lying, 'cause he gamed the log-in system 528 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,500 and snuck out. 529 00:22:50,700 --> 00:22:52,030 Can you arrest someone 530 00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:53,640 - for murder without a body? - [phone buzzing] 531 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,810 DAN: We can, but we usually don't. 532 00:22:56,010 --> 00:22:57,900 - [Julia sighs] - All right. 533 00:22:58,100 --> 00:22:59,820 They're just gonna keep calling if you do that? 534 00:23:00,020 --> 00:23:01,730 - That's your favorite, right? - DAN: Yeah, until they give up 535 00:23:01,930 --> 00:23:03,690 and pass it off to Frank, who still needs to redeem himself 536 00:23:03,890 --> 00:23:05,210 after that whole county jail thing 537 00:23:05,410 --> 00:23:07,600 that he foisted off on me. Am I right? 538 00:23:08,690 --> 00:23:10,040 When you're right, you're right. 539 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:10,700 - Let me help. - Want to do the honors? 540 00:23:10,900 --> 00:23:11,950 Please. 541 00:23:13,170 --> 00:23:15,960 - All right. - BETH: Mm-hmm. 542 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,310 JULIA: Mm, bigger. 543 00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:18,710 Really? 544 00:23:18,910 --> 00:23:20,750 - All right. - [chuckles] 545 00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:22,750 Well, how's this? 546 00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:24,760 That'll do, pig. 547 00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:27,760 So, wait, you were saying you don't usually arrest 548 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,890 a suspect if you don't have the body; why not? 549 00:23:31,090 --> 00:23:32,110 It's hard enough to win a murder case 550 00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:33,630 when you do have a fuckin' body. 551 00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:35,290 And at the end of the day, we want to win. 552 00:23:35,490 --> 00:23:38,160 Or at least not know that we've already lost. 553 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:39,900 ARTHUR: Honestly, I think it's better 554 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:41,600 if we keep it like we had it last time. 555 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,470 Or if we're gonna change the schedule 556 00:23:43,670 --> 00:23:45,910 from last time, I think we should put Saturday 557 00:23:46,110 --> 00:23:48,300 at the end of the week, not in the middle. 558 00:23:48,500 --> 00:23:50,520 Okay, so that-- yeah, that's fine. 559 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,220 - So we'll do Friday chemo... - Mm. 560 00:23:52,420 --> 00:23:54,570 ...Saturday I'm full of steroids, 561 00:23:54,770 --> 00:23:56,530 and I can run errands and whatever. 562 00:23:56,730 --> 00:24:01,310 Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, ooh. Uh, 563 00:24:01,510 --> 00:24:03,710 But then I'm okay, usually, by Wednesday. 564 00:24:03,910 --> 00:24:05,750 - Right? - Yeah. That works. 565 00:24:05,950 --> 00:24:07,410 You have to tell them that we want to change, though. 566 00:24:07,610 --> 00:24:09,020 I'm scared of Eileen. 567 00:24:09,220 --> 00:24:11,060 She doesn't have to think you're funny to like you. 568 00:24:11,260 --> 00:24:12,150 I know. 569 00:24:12,350 --> 00:24:14,150 But why doesn't she like me? 570 00:24:14,350 --> 00:24:16,370 - I'm the best. - Well, true. 571 00:24:16,570 --> 00:24:18,940 - [Julia chuckles] - I mean, but give the woman a break. 572 00:24:19,140 --> 00:24:22,900 I mean, her job is oncology scheduling. 573 00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:24,900 - You know who doesn't like you, though, is Rosie. - Ugh! 574 00:24:25,100 --> 00:24:26,690 I wouldn't, either, if I were her. 575 00:24:26,890 --> 00:24:28,120 My veins are the worst. 576 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:29,950 They're so deep, 577 00:24:30,150 --> 00:24:32,780 so hard to get to, so collapse-y. 578 00:24:32,980 --> 00:24:36,780 Not like your veins, just out there, springy. 579 00:24:36,980 --> 00:24:39,960 Your veins laugh at my veins. 580 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,570 - Yep, that's what they do. - [giggles] 581 00:24:43,770 --> 00:24:44,920 - How's it feel now? - Good. 582 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:46,790 Yeah? 583 00:24:46,990 --> 00:24:50,840 But now the other foot is numb and tingly all over again. 584 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,150 - Really? - No. 585 00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:55,500 [both laugh] 586 00:24:55,700 --> 00:24:58,330 I would've did it. 587 00:24:58,530 --> 00:25:00,590 JULIA: Go hear live music. 588 00:25:00,790 --> 00:25:04,070 - We used to do that all the time. - Mm. 589 00:25:04,270 --> 00:25:07,770 Snowmobile the Continental Divide again. 590 00:25:07,970 --> 00:25:09,470 Yeah, I liked that. 591 00:25:09,670 --> 00:25:12,950 That tree, the redwood that you can drive through. 592 00:25:13,150 --> 00:25:15,260 - Mm. - The Chandelier Tree. 593 00:25:15,460 --> 00:25:17,000 Some of these are gonna take some logistics. 594 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,090 I know. 595 00:25:18,290 --> 00:25:19,830 Plus, Dr. Anastasia has to 596 00:25:20,030 --> 00:25:21,790 - clear me for travel. - Yes. 597 00:25:21,980 --> 00:25:24,000 - Watch Singin' in the Rain with Ellen. - Mm. 598 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,700 Meet Cindy's baby. 599 00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:28,440 See the sun set 600 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,880 - over the ocean from a boat. - Mm-hmm. 601 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,670 Read the final book of the Morrigan quadrology. 602 00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:36,710 I thought you told me no one knows when that's coming out. 603 00:25:36,910 --> 00:25:38,060 They don't. 604 00:25:38,260 --> 00:25:39,890 I asked the guy at Barnes & Noble, 605 00:25:40,090 --> 00:25:42,110 and apparently she hasn't even started writing it yet. 606 00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:44,020 - Where does she live, Maine? - Mm. 607 00:25:44,220 --> 00:25:46,510 - I'll go talk to her. - [laughs] 608 00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:49,380 "Ms. George, you don't know me, 609 00:25:49,580 --> 00:25:51,990 but my wife is your biggest fan." 610 00:25:52,190 --> 00:25:54,820 "So I'm gonna need you to put 19, 20-hour days in 611 00:25:55,020 --> 00:25:56,210 "on this thing until it's done, 612 00:25:56,410 --> 00:25:58,210 "'cause I'm not leaving without it. 613 00:25:58,410 --> 00:26:01,290 - Show me to the guest room." - [laughs] 614 00:26:02,340 --> 00:26:04,560 - How great would that be? - Mm. 615 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,050 I-- I'm almost... I'm almost sorry 616 00:26:11,250 --> 00:26:13,490 I read the first three books. 617 00:26:13,690 --> 00:26:16,930 I mean, not really, but... 618 00:26:17,130 --> 00:26:20,310 I can't believe I'm not gonna find out how it ends. 619 00:26:36,290 --> 00:26:37,600 Remember, I was gonna take the boat out every weekend 620 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,430 after the divorce. 621 00:26:39,630 --> 00:26:41,170 You did say that a lot, Bruce. 622 00:26:41,370 --> 00:26:43,430 It just never happened. 623 00:26:43,630 --> 00:26:46,950 And now there's Joanna, who hates the ocean. 624 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,440 Oh, uh, keys. 625 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,660 Lockbox codes. 626 00:26:53,860 --> 00:26:57,320 Uh, the marina has 24-hour access. 627 00:26:57,510 --> 00:27:00,540 Guard fees are paid up. Go nuts. [chuckles] 628 00:27:00,740 --> 00:27:01,710 - I appreciate it. - Yeah. 629 00:27:01,910 --> 00:27:03,190 Consider her your boat, okay? 630 00:27:03,390 --> 00:27:05,580 I'll just, I'll kick selling it down the road 631 00:27:05,780 --> 00:27:07,840 until... 632 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,930 ...until you don't need her anymore. 633 00:27:12,410 --> 00:27:14,850 Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. 634 00:27:15,050 --> 00:27:16,940 Okay? 635 00:27:17,140 --> 00:27:19,600 - Thanks a lot. - Yeah. 636 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,500 Yeah. 637 00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:29,900 - Baby, we're here. - Hmm? 638 00:27:31,170 --> 00:27:33,390 Oh. Oh. 639 00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:35,090 Right now? 640 00:27:35,290 --> 00:27:36,180 Well, it could be now. 641 00:27:36,380 --> 00:27:38,270 Or it could be another day. 642 00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:40,790 Maybe that's the move if you're not feeling up to it. 643 00:27:40,990 --> 00:27:43,620 Um... [clears throat] 644 00:27:43,820 --> 00:27:46,500 No, because I'm not up to it 645 00:27:46,690 --> 00:27:48,760 is why it has to be now. Okay? [chuckles] 646 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,280 - All right, let's do it. - All right. 647 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,980 - It's gonna be beautiful, come on. - [laughs] 648 00:27:52,180 --> 00:27:53,720 - You're gonna love this. - Ooh. [grunts] 649 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,240 I'll get it. 650 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,460 JULIA: Okay. 651 00:27:57,660 --> 00:27:59,420 ARTHUR: My God, I'm so sorry. 652 00:27:59,620 --> 00:28:00,940 He said it was only a few times, that it's over, 653 00:28:01,140 --> 00:28:02,470 that it ended badly. [sniffles] 654 00:28:02,670 --> 00:28:04,080 Well, do you believe him? 655 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,650 I... He thinks that... 656 00:28:06,850 --> 00:28:10,480 she came to break in, steal things. 657 00:28:10,670 --> 00:28:11,780 She didn't think anyone was home, 658 00:28:11,980 --> 00:28:12,870 and that my mom surprised her. 659 00:28:13,070 --> 00:28:14,480 W-W-Wait a second. 660 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,660 Wh-what are you, what are you saying? 661 00:28:16,860 --> 00:28:18,090 Is there any evidence? 662 00:28:18,290 --> 00:28:19,350 He's a fucking prosecutor. 663 00:28:19,550 --> 00:28:20,870 Would-would he believe him? 664 00:28:30,790 --> 00:28:32,980 ARTHUR: Look, I'm sorry, this isn't helping. 665 00:28:33,180 --> 00:28:35,070 So what-what can I do? 666 00:28:35,260 --> 00:28:38,800 BETH: Don't tell anyone, especially her. 667 00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:05,880 ARTHUR: What can I do, huh? 668 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,790 What can I actually do, though? 669 00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:09,620 BETH: Nothing. 670 00:29:09,820 --> 00:29:12,710 What could you do? Make it so it didn't happen? 671 00:29:12,910 --> 00:29:15,310 You can't do anything. 672 00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:18,320 [exhales] 673 00:29:19,670 --> 00:29:21,760 [indistinct chatter] 674 00:29:37,810 --> 00:29:39,860 ♪ 675 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,360 [siren wailing in distance] 676 00:30:16,460 --> 00:30:19,040 [door shuts] 677 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,260 Oh, hey, I rang the bell for the super, no answer. 678 00:30:22,460 --> 00:30:25,220 A guy coming out let me in. I'm here for the walk-through. 679 00:30:25,420 --> 00:30:26,960 I'm the super. What walk-through? 680 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,140 Oh, come on, nobody gave you a heads-up? 681 00:30:29,340 --> 00:30:31,960 Baratta Properties send you? Ugh. 682 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,440 I don't need any more oversight bullshit. 683 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,970 I take good care of this place. 684 00:30:35,170 --> 00:30:36,970 I need somebody to look at the elevator. 685 00:30:37,170 --> 00:30:38,280 That's who needs to walk through here, 686 00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:39,970 a fucking actual elevator repairman. 687 00:30:40,170 --> 00:30:41,540 Well, good, 'cause here I am. 688 00:30:41,740 --> 00:30:42,670 I thought you said walk-through. 689 00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:44,060 Well, 'cause how am I gonna know 690 00:30:44,260 --> 00:30:45,500 whether it's the hydraulics, 691 00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:47,280 or do I, do I need to get a part built? 692 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,420 - I mean, if I don't look at it... - Okay, shit. 693 00:30:49,620 --> 00:30:51,590 Great. Finally. Sorry. 694 00:30:51,790 --> 00:30:54,550 Uh, I gotta go buy a P-trap, some other shit. 695 00:30:54,750 --> 00:30:56,690 - You good to do your own thing? - I'm good. 696 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:57,990 All right, you need to come in and out, 697 00:30:58,190 --> 00:30:59,470 just use the fire door, it's broken. 698 00:30:59,670 --> 00:31:02,160 Great. 699 00:31:17,310 --> 00:31:18,780 [grunts] 700 00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:41,160 ♪ 701 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,480 ARTHUR: So, you, uh, you up for some mac and cheese? 702 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,920 Is it the frozen kind? 703 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,230 No. Beth made it, but it-it doesn't have to be that. 704 00:32:02,430 --> 00:32:05,140 But it has to be something, because... 705 00:32:05,340 --> 00:32:06,620 I know, I know. 706 00:32:06,820 --> 00:32:09,060 - Uh, just don't heat it up. - Okay. 707 00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:11,060 I need it to not smell like anything. 708 00:32:11,260 --> 00:32:12,670 [chuckles] All right. 709 00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:17,500 Oh, and a side of ibuprofen, please. 710 00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:19,930 You got it. 711 00:32:24,110 --> 00:32:26,460 Don't move, I'll be right back. 712 00:32:42,910 --> 00:32:44,960 ♪ 713 00:33:07,550 --> 00:33:09,850 ♪ 714 00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:18,030 [sighs deeply] 715 00:33:29,390 --> 00:33:30,750 It's ready. Come on. 716 00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:33,060 Let me help you. 717 00:33:33,260 --> 00:33:35,490 Sorry it took me a minute. 718 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,270 All right. 719 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,420 [buzzing] 720 00:33:42,620 --> 00:33:45,030 BETH: She knows. She knows what she's thinking. 721 00:33:45,230 --> 00:33:46,330 She knows what she's gonna do next. 722 00:33:46,530 --> 00:33:47,990 All I can do is just wait 723 00:33:48,190 --> 00:33:50,380 - and react after it happens. - Where's Dan? 724 00:33:50,580 --> 00:33:52,560 He's off somewhere with Mike pretending that they can 725 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,730 figure out something to do, pretending that 726 00:33:54,930 --> 00:33:56,340 they can read her mind. 727 00:33:56,540 --> 00:33:58,170 But the truth is, is if he could stop her, 728 00:33:58,370 --> 00:33:59,610 he would have done it before 729 00:33:59,810 --> 00:34:00,870 I ever knew she existed. 730 00:34:01,070 --> 00:34:04,570 But he didn't because he can't. 731 00:34:04,770 --> 00:34:07,040 [Beth crying] 732 00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:21,020 - Mm... - Baby. 733 00:34:21,220 --> 00:34:22,630 I need... 734 00:34:22,830 --> 00:34:24,680 Beth needs help. 735 00:34:24,870 --> 00:34:27,550 - I'm gonna go help her. - Mm. 736 00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:29,450 Help her. Mm-hmm. 737 00:34:34,150 --> 00:34:35,600 He said that I knew that he was married. 738 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,380 That I knew, and that I did it anyway. 739 00:34:37,580 --> 00:34:39,340 And so that I only have myself to blame. 740 00:34:39,540 --> 00:34:40,730 STANLEY: Wait, what did you do? 741 00:34:40,930 --> 00:34:42,690 He said he's gonna have me arrested! 742 00:34:42,890 --> 00:34:45,130 He said that he could just make up a bunch of charges, 743 00:34:45,330 --> 00:34:46,740 and that everybody's gonna go along with it 744 00:34:46,940 --> 00:34:48,220 because he'd just do that. 745 00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:49,830 When? When is that gonna happen? 746 00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:51,440 I don't know. He said it when he was leaving. 747 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,310 I don't know, I don't know. 748 00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:54,970 Well, they can't arrest you if they can't find you. 749 00:34:55,170 --> 00:34:56,840 Come here. Grab your stuff, get in the car. 750 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,930 You leave right now, you'll be here by tomorrow night. 751 00:34:59,130 --> 00:35:00,450 - We'll figure this all out together. - Okay, okay, okay. 752 00:35:00,650 --> 00:35:02,440 - Go now. - Let me call you from the road. 753 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,860 [siren wailing in distance] 754 00:35:55,580 --> 00:35:57,460 [cries out] 755 00:35:57,660 --> 00:36:00,460 [gasping, grunting] 756 00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:06,900 [glass shatters] 757 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,400 [gasping, choking] 758 00:36:43,630 --> 00:36:45,720 [Arthur panting] 759 00:37:14,140 --> 00:37:15,890 [Arthur groans] 760 00:37:16,090 --> 00:37:18,450 [Arthur whimpers, exhales] 761 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,280 [Alex breathing quietly] 762 00:37:47,830 --> 00:37:50,310 ♪ 763 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,800 [Arthur panting] 764 00:38:24,780 --> 00:38:26,820 [grunting] 765 00:38:53,370 --> 00:38:54,900 [punching keys] 766 00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:57,240 [door buzzes open] 767 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,600 ANDREA: They're both set in Victorian England, 768 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,740 but you want the Inspector Pitts ones; I'm in love with him. 769 00:39:03,940 --> 00:39:05,350 I know he's not real. 770 00:39:05,550 --> 00:39:06,960 JULIA: Have you ever read Louise Penny? 771 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,830 - Mm. - First two books in a series 772 00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:11,560 set in this cozy little town in Quebec. 773 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,100 Everyone leaves their doors unlocked. 774 00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:18,450 Hot chocolate, tobogganing, murder. 775 00:39:18,650 --> 00:39:19,670 - In. - [chuckles] 776 00:39:19,870 --> 00:39:20,800 What's tobogganing? Sledding? 777 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,230 All the way in. 778 00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:25,110 You need the coffee and the sleep, Artie, honey, 779 00:39:25,310 --> 00:39:27,200 not the coffee instead of the sleep. 780 00:39:27,390 --> 00:39:29,070 And by you,I mean we. 781 00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:30,890 Oh, I know. 782 00:39:31,090 --> 00:39:33,290 Skinny caramel latte, extra shot, right? 783 00:39:33,490 --> 00:39:36,860 Yes. Are you kidding? The best. 784 00:39:37,060 --> 00:39:38,290 Absolute best. 785 00:39:38,490 --> 00:39:40,770 JULIA: He really is, isn't he? 786 00:39:40,970 --> 00:39:43,120 ANDREA: All right, I'm-a get going. 787 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,130 I'll be back Tuesday unless there's something 788 00:39:45,330 --> 00:39:47,950 you need before then. Just call me. 789 00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:50,440 So, but that's a real thing, right? 790 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,610 I mean, I pay the consult fee, so now you... 791 00:39:54,810 --> 00:39:58,090 I'm ethically bound, yeah. Is that what you mean? 792 00:39:59,130 --> 00:40:01,010 Yeah, uh, whatever you talk about, 793 00:40:01,210 --> 00:40:02,450 I, uh, I will never, 794 00:40:02,650 --> 00:40:03,930 I can't ever disclose. 795 00:40:04,130 --> 00:40:05,930 Good? 796 00:40:06,130 --> 00:40:07,020 - Okay. - So, 797 00:40:07,220 --> 00:40:09,020 what are we talking about? 798 00:40:09,220 --> 00:40:11,200 I have a friend that's in prison 799 00:40:11,390 --> 00:40:12,940 for a murder that he didn't commit. 800 00:40:13,140 --> 00:40:16,030 Okay. How do you know he didn't do it? 801 00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:19,600 Well, I know it because, um... 802 00:40:19,790 --> 00:40:22,080 - because I did it. - Okay. 803 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,120 What are you looking for from me? 804 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,730 I want to come forward, confess. 805 00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:29,820 Get him out, get him back with his family. 806 00:40:30,020 --> 00:40:31,960 I know I should have come forward 807 00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:35,650 and done this before, but, look, my wife, she has cancer. 808 00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:38,000 And I don't-- 809 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,790 Look, I don't know, I just thought... 810 00:40:40,990 --> 00:40:43,580 I'm sorry, is this something that you can help me do? 811 00:40:43,780 --> 00:40:47,490 Do you have evidence for this, what you're saying? 812 00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:50,840 I mean, what can you show to prove that it was you? 813 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,670 Well, I can talk about how and why. 814 00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:54,760 I mean, the details of what I did. 815 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,550 - So just your word? - I mean, unless the police have something 816 00:40:57,750 --> 00:41:00,110 that they didn't know or use that was important. 817 00:41:00,310 --> 00:41:03,380 That didn't fit on focusing on Dan being their guy. 818 00:41:03,580 --> 00:41:04,730 On Dan? Dan who? 819 00:41:04,930 --> 00:41:06,600 Dan Gallagher. 820 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,210 Wh... 821 00:41:08,410 --> 00:41:10,780 - Your friend is Dan Gallagher? - You know him? 822 00:41:10,980 --> 00:41:13,740 Well, I mean, I know of him. 823 00:41:13,940 --> 00:41:15,480 Of course. 824 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,440 I never thought he'd get arrested. 825 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,570 Then I couldn't believe that he couldn't figure his way out 826 00:41:19,770 --> 00:41:21,480 of something that he didn't do. 827 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,230 - I mean, of all people, if he couldn't, who could? - No one. 828 00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:27,530 He never had a chance. 829 00:41:27,730 --> 00:41:29,800 I mean, even in a world where prosecutors admit 830 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,620 that they're wrong, he was a whale. 831 00:41:32,820 --> 00:41:35,410 One of the biggest gets the D.A.'s office ever put down. 832 00:41:35,610 --> 00:41:37,850 - He's innocent. - Not to them. 833 00:41:38,050 --> 00:41:41,150 To them, he's a resounding victory that they won 834 00:41:41,350 --> 00:41:44,110 from a judge and a jury with shock and awe. 835 00:41:44,310 --> 00:41:45,770 And now you just want to show up 836 00:41:45,970 --> 00:41:48,290 - and-and tell them it was really you? - Yeah. 837 00:41:48,490 --> 00:41:50,820 They'll keep Gallagher exactly where he is, 838 00:41:51,020 --> 00:41:52,510 and they'll lock you up for perjury. 839 00:41:55,860 --> 00:41:59,650 What-what kind of cancer are we talking about, your wife? 840 00:41:59,850 --> 00:42:01,260 Ovarian. 841 00:42:01,460 --> 00:42:03,780 Hmm. Well, is she hanging in there? 842 00:42:07,820 --> 00:42:11,100 [sighs] Look, you paid for my counsel, 843 00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:13,620 so here's my counsel. 844 00:42:13,820 --> 00:42:17,540 Go home and take care of her, 845 00:42:17,740 --> 00:42:19,320 and be grateful you got away with it. 846 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,540 - [scoffs] - If you even did it. 847 00:42:22,740 --> 00:42:24,710 I'm not even sure I believe you. 848 00:42:27,370 --> 00:42:29,450 [breathing deeply] 849 00:42:40,990 --> 00:42:42,380 Hey, pal. 850 00:42:43,470 --> 00:42:45,040 Hey, Beth said it'd be okay if I... 851 00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:47,790 Yeah. Sure. Thanks for coming. 852 00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:50,750 What, are you kidding? Of course, of course, yeah. 853 00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:52,750 I mean, it's a hard thing here. 854 00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:55,270 I mean, I know it was a hard thing, 855 00:42:55,470 --> 00:42:56,670 and now it's different. 856 00:42:56,860 --> 00:42:58,410 Which is also hard. 857 00:42:58,610 --> 00:43:00,320 Yeah. 858 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,630 It's better to have loved and lost than to never have... 859 00:43:02,830 --> 00:43:04,590 loved... I don't know. 860 00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:06,720 Yeah, no, I know. I mean, I don't feel it, 861 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,940 - but I know it. - Yeah. 862 00:43:09,140 --> 00:43:10,850 [kids laughing] 863 00:43:11,050 --> 00:43:13,320 Oh. Hey. 864 00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:18,730 - Hey, could I ask you something? - Sure. 865 00:43:18,930 --> 00:43:21,120 Why do you think he cut them off, Beth and Ellen? 866 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,870 I mean, what was he thinking? 867 00:43:23,060 --> 00:43:23,950 To do that just seems... 868 00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:25,480 - Crazy? - No. 869 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,260 It seems impossible to me. 870 00:43:27,460 --> 00:43:28,740 Not to me. 871 00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:32,270 It's painful, devastating. 872 00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:34,310 Not impossible. 873 00:43:34,510 --> 00:43:36,530 Not to someone who knows what he's up against. 874 00:43:36,730 --> 00:43:39,620 - What, the time, you mean? The years? - No, the system. 875 00:43:39,820 --> 00:43:41,880 What he knows it is. I mean... 876 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,410 what he knows it can be. 877 00:43:43,610 --> 00:43:46,540 How once you're inside, it's over. 878 00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:49,670 Once that thing has you, you're fucking done. 879 00:43:49,870 --> 00:43:51,850 And you worked for that thing all these years, right? 880 00:43:52,050 --> 00:43:54,030 I mean, what you're describing is what you served 881 00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:55,250 for all that time, no? 882 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,810 That's how I know what it is. 883 00:43:57,010 --> 00:44:01,340 I mean, you go in pretty wide-eyed, 884 00:44:01,540 --> 00:44:04,430 thinking institutions are people. 885 00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:06,470 And then, one day, you realize.. 886 00:44:06,670 --> 00:44:08,650 no institutions, 887 00:44:08,850 --> 00:44:11,000 no people. 888 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,440 It's just a fucking machine. 889 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,530 It chews. 890 00:44:15,730 --> 00:44:17,490 It fucking spits. 891 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,130 It's not what you thought it was at all. 892 00:44:22,350 --> 00:44:25,480 And in its service, neither are you. 893 00:44:27,830 --> 00:44:30,060 You know, I-- 894 00:44:30,260 --> 00:44:32,330 Oh, shit. Yeah. 895 00:44:32,530 --> 00:44:34,070 There I go. 896 00:44:34,270 --> 00:44:36,370 That's my specialty, making shit about me. 897 00:44:36,570 --> 00:44:38,640 - I'm sorry. Uh... - It's okay. 898 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,940 Julia was-- Um, she is... 899 00:44:42,140 --> 00:44:44,340 She's a beautiful soul, she is. 900 00:44:44,540 --> 00:44:46,120 Yeah. 901 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,550 - Yeah, hey. - Thanks, Mike. 902 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,510 You tell anybody I cried, I'll kill you. 903 00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:58,180 ARTHUR: Okay, so a run is... 904 00:44:58,380 --> 00:45:00,220 YOUNG ELLEN: Um, at least three in a row, 905 00:45:00,420 --> 00:45:02,910 all of the same suit, and aces are low. 906 00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:04,790 ARTHUR: Very good. 907 00:45:04,990 --> 00:45:05,970 All right, so why don't we 908 00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:07,490 just do one, see how it goes. 909 00:45:07,690 --> 00:45:09,190 We don't have to keep score until you get it. 910 00:45:09,390 --> 00:45:10,840 We're gonna keep score. 911 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,060 Well, of course we are. 912 00:45:12,260 --> 00:45:12,980 'Cause we've been talking about it 913 00:45:13,170 --> 00:45:14,320 a whole two minutes, 914 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,800 and you already know as much as me. 915 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,720 All right, no mercy. 916 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,940 Hardly any mercy. 917 00:45:21,140 --> 00:45:22,990 Maybe a little mercy. 918 00:45:23,180 --> 00:45:26,030 - I don't know as much as you. - Oh, stop it. 919 00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:28,770 It's actually weird how tiny your head is 920 00:45:28,970 --> 00:45:30,380 with all the stuff you know. 921 00:45:30,580 --> 00:45:32,820 - You know things, too. - I do. 922 00:45:33,020 --> 00:45:34,780 I mean, I know somethings. 923 00:45:34,980 --> 00:45:36,350 Like, for instance, I know you can't hum 924 00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:38,690 while holding your nose. 925 00:45:39,950 --> 00:45:41,350 No, don't even try it. 926 00:45:41,550 --> 00:45:43,050 - Just believe me. - [door opens] 927 00:45:43,250 --> 00:45:45,660 - Hi, Mom. - [door shuts] 928 00:45:45,860 --> 00:45:47,180 BETH: Hi. 929 00:45:47,380 --> 00:45:49,750 No, no, just believe me. 930 00:45:49,950 --> 00:45:51,400 [chuckles] 931 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,840 MIKE: So I run it under cold water, 932 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,540 and I pack it in ice in a towel, 933 00:45:55,740 --> 00:45:57,060 and I run it over to the hospital, 934 00:45:57,260 --> 00:45:59,240 but it didn't matter, they couldn't save it. 935 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,550 - The cut was too clean. - Circular saw. 936 00:46:01,740 --> 00:46:03,110 Yeah, but don't worry, 'cause they gave him 937 00:46:03,310 --> 00:46:04,900 a new plastic arm 938 00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:06,380 with a little metal hook on the end of it. 939 00:46:06,580 --> 00:46:07,510 - Aw. - Oh, that's nice. 940 00:46:07,710 --> 00:46:08,730 Then, one cold winter night... 941 00:46:08,930 --> 00:46:10,420 - He cut it off. - No, he did not. 942 00:46:10,620 --> 00:46:13,040 We get a 911 call from a restaurant downtown 943 00:46:13,230 --> 00:46:17,300 saying there was a naked guy standing outside their windows 944 00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:20,170 holding his thinger-dinger in a hook 945 00:46:20,370 --> 00:46:21,260 that he had for a hand. 946 00:46:21,460 --> 00:46:22,260 - Hey! - Oh... 947 00:46:22,460 --> 00:46:24,000 Okay! 948 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,180 - Coffee, anyone? - No, I'm okay, thanks. 949 00:46:26,380 --> 00:46:28,350 - Not now. - You know what I would love? 950 00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:30,010 Could I have one more little piece 951 00:46:30,210 --> 00:46:32,710 of the red raspberry muffin cake thing? 952 00:46:32,910 --> 00:46:34,750 Yes. It's good, isn't it? 953 00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:36,710 - Yeah, it's great. - Arthur made that. 954 00:46:36,910 --> 00:46:39,750 - ARTHUR: Yeah. - Wouldn't expect any less. 955 00:46:44,410 --> 00:46:45,890 - Cheers. - Salud! 956 00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:55,210 ♪ 957 00:46:55,410 --> 00:46:58,030 [birds singing] 958 00:47:06,690 --> 00:47:08,870 - Taking off soon? - Yeah. 959 00:47:09,070 --> 00:47:12,140 Yeah, me, too, but... 960 00:47:12,340 --> 00:47:14,050 my ride doesn't look like he's in a hurry 961 00:47:14,250 --> 00:47:15,880 to get anywhere, does he? 962 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,970 - Do you want me to bounce him for you? - [chuckles] 963 00:47:18,170 --> 00:47:19,840 Broom him from the establishment? 964 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,020 - That's okay, thank you. Maybe in a little bit. - Okay. 965 00:47:23,220 --> 00:47:25,890 It's nice out here. It's very peaceful. 966 00:47:26,090 --> 00:47:28,720 I'm happy to hear that the thesis is going well. 967 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,770 [exhales] Yeah, me, too. [weak chuckle] 968 00:47:31,970 --> 00:47:33,990 It's... it is tricky, though. 969 00:47:34,190 --> 00:47:36,900 Toni Wolff didn't do a lot of writing herself, 970 00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:38,860 so most of what's out there is, like, through people 971 00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:43,820 who knew her talking or writing about her. 972 00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:46,040 Or not. 973 00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:49,170 Like, for instance, supposedly Jung wrote 974 00:47:49,370 --> 00:47:51,130 this entire chapter about her in his autobiography, 975 00:47:51,330 --> 00:47:53,050 and then just deleted it. 976 00:47:53,250 --> 00:47:55,350 Which, if you wanted people to be less interested in her... 977 00:47:55,550 --> 00:47:57,490 Yeah, it's maybe not the move. Mm-hmm. 978 00:47:57,690 --> 00:47:59,180 She did write this one, 979 00:47:59,380 --> 00:48:03,060 like, really groundbreaking essay, 980 00:48:03,260 --> 00:48:06,280 though, on the four feminine structural forms. 981 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:07,850 - Four, you say? - Mm-hmm. 982 00:48:08,050 --> 00:48:10,330 Not three, not five. So there's the Mother. 983 00:48:10,530 --> 00:48:12,150 - Makes sense. - Right? Amazon. 984 00:48:12,350 --> 00:48:14,900 She's, like, the boss, fighter, multitasker. 985 00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:18,030 - Um, Hetaira. - No, you lost me now. 986 00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:20,420 [laughs] Friend, lover, wife. 987 00:48:20,620 --> 00:48:23,470 And then the Medial, 988 00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:26,860 which is the psychic, intuitive healer. 989 00:48:27,060 --> 00:48:28,780 Yeah, I guess that about covers it. 990 00:48:28,980 --> 00:48:30,610 Plus, they have these shadow sides, too, right? 991 00:48:30,810 --> 00:48:32,170 So it's like the "smother," 992 00:48:32,370 --> 00:48:33,830 or the "career-driven bitch," 993 00:48:34,030 --> 00:48:35,830 or the prostitute or mistress. 994 00:48:36,030 --> 00:48:39,750 It's hard to describe exactly what 995 00:48:39,950 --> 00:48:42,310 the Medial woman's shadow side is in a word, 996 00:48:42,510 --> 00:48:45,580 but if she misinterprets 997 00:48:45,780 --> 00:48:47,970 the messages she's getting, 998 00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:50,320 she will destroy you. 999 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,020 - That all sounds fascinating. I can't wait to read it. - Yeah. 1000 00:48:53,220 --> 00:48:55,490 - Me, either. - [chuckles] 1001 00:49:03,940 --> 00:49:07,120 I just, um, I just want to say that... 1002 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,340 [sighs] 1003 00:49:09,540 --> 00:49:11,340 I know that you think that you already know 1004 00:49:11,540 --> 00:49:13,870 what's gonna happen, but I think that you should appeal. 1005 00:49:14,070 --> 00:49:16,960 Just keep asking for a new trial. 1006 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,570 Even if it takes a year, or however long, 1007 00:49:19,770 --> 00:49:21,880 I just feel like you have to try. 1008 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,870 You have to always keep trying. 1009 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,970 Jung said, "It's important to affirm one's own destiny. 1010 00:49:32,170 --> 00:49:35,540 "Because in this way, we forge an ego 1011 00:49:35,740 --> 00:49:37,280 "that endures the truth, 1012 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,020 and is capable of coping with the world, and with fate. 1013 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,600 "And then, to experience defeat 1014 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,380 is to also experience victory." 1015 00:49:50,580 --> 00:49:52,550 [exhaling]: Hmm. 1016 00:50:09,130 --> 00:50:10,700 See you. 1017 00:50:16,270 --> 00:50:17,670 [sniffles] 1018 00:50:17,870 --> 00:50:19,450 [exhales] 1019 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,330 MACKSEY [on recording]: The first stage was to confront 1020 00:50:25,530 --> 00:50:27,250 what he called the persona, 1021 00:50:27,450 --> 00:50:30,380 a structure made up of the societal masks we wear-- 1022 00:50:30,580 --> 00:50:34,600 a child, parent, boss, fri-friend, lover-- 1023 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,210 to confront those masks and separate them from 1024 00:50:37,410 --> 00:50:39,520 [recording garbles] ...true self. 1025 00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:41,910 The next stage of individuation 1026 00:50:42,110 --> 00:50:44,690 is confrontation with our shadow. 1027 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,090 Our shadow self is the part of us that's been hurt. 1028 00:50:48,290 --> 00:50:49,920 And then we reject it, 1029 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,490 [recording garbles] ...trying to protect ourselves 1030 00:50:51,690 --> 00:50:52,750 from being hurt aga-again... 1031 00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:55,400 Acknowledging our shadow means 1032 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,960 admitting our capacity for darkness-darkness-dark-dark... 1033 00:51:00,570 --> 00:51:02,010 Darkness. 1034 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:05,630 I should really start doing that, 1035 00:51:05,830 --> 00:51:06,810 using the recorder. 1036 00:51:07,010 --> 00:51:08,940 I mean, it's right there. 1037 00:51:09,140 --> 00:51:10,110 There-there-there... 1038 00:51:11,540 --> 00:51:13,810 ...there. Also, it might be relevant, Toni Wolff 1039 00:51:14,010 --> 00:51:16,470 - was Jung's mistress. - ELLEN: Might be relevant? 1040 00:51:16,670 --> 00:51:17,910 MACKSEY: Which his wife knew and was okay with. 1041 00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:19,600 ELLEN: Well, what was Jung's 1042 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,340 source of information on that? Was it him? 1043 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,430 Was it him? 1044 00:51:25,630 --> 00:51:27,440 MACKSEY: Don't make me chase you... girlfriend. 1045 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,090 [recording garbles] Don't make me chase you. 1046 00:51:29,290 --> 00:51:30,920 YOUNG ELLEN: All the birds and animals. 1047 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,050 Like antelope and deer and stags. 1048 00:51:34,250 --> 00:51:36,660 ALEX: Stags and deer are actually the same thing. 1049 00:51:36,860 --> 00:51:40,800 A stag's just a really big male deer with antlers. 1050 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,320 I think you're right. 1051 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,060 But they started to realize 1052 00:51:46,260 --> 00:51:48,810 that Majnun would never hurt them, 1053 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,330 that he was like them. 1054 00:51:50,530 --> 00:51:53,900 - That he avoided people, too. - Yeah. 1055 00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:55,810 And they could've attacked him, 1056 00:51:56,010 --> 00:51:58,080 but they didn't. They helped him instead. 1057 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,250 The foxes swept the floors clean with their tails, 1058 00:52:01,450 --> 00:52:04,130 and the vultures would block his eyes from the sun 1059 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,390 so that he could see, and the predators 1060 00:52:06,590 --> 00:52:08,960 stopped killing, even for food. 1061 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,000 The lions and tigers and bears. 1062 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,140 And wolves and jackals and hyenas. 1063 00:52:14,330 --> 00:52:17,830 Majnun had this big, giant, peaceful family. 1064 00:52:19,610 --> 00:52:22,130 That sounds amazing. 1065 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:24,880 I want that for you. 1066 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,020 I do, too, but with dogs, too. 1067 00:52:27,220 --> 00:52:29,500 Tigers and foxes and dogs. 1068 00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:31,150 Oh, and hippos. 1069 00:52:31,350 --> 00:52:34,490 Yes, of course, hippos. Hippos are the most. 1070 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:46,470 Are you okay? 1071 00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:48,860 Yeah, I just want to tell you something. 1072 00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:52,260 It's... it's something that I wish 1073 00:52:52,460 --> 00:52:54,650 somebody had told me, 1074 00:52:54,850 --> 00:52:57,660 so I didn't have to learn it myself. 1075 00:52:57,860 --> 00:52:59,660 I probably would not have liked hearing it, 1076 00:52:59,860 --> 00:53:01,360 but it would have been better just to know. 1077 00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,610 What is it? 1078 00:53:05,220 --> 00:53:07,490 It's who you can trust 1079 00:53:07,690 --> 00:53:09,230 and who you can't. 1080 00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:11,710 You probably think you already know how to tell, 1081 00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:14,190 but I promise you, you really don't. 1082 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,410 I mean... 1083 00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:22,120 ...your parents, they're... 1084 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,680 they're pretending that nothing's wrong, 1085 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,420 and they're saying everything is okay, but it's really not. 1086 00:53:31,420 --> 00:53:33,160 They're lying to you. 1087 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,120 Both of them, but especially your dad. 1088 00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:41,310 That doesn't mean that he doesn't love you. 1089 00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:43,010 I know that he does. 1090 00:53:43,210 --> 00:53:44,790 But someone can love you 1091 00:53:44,990 --> 00:53:47,350 and still lie to you. 1092 00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:50,830 Some people... 1093 00:53:52,010 --> 00:53:53,320 ...it's just what they do. 1094 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,150 It's what the world is like. 1095 00:53:55,350 --> 00:53:58,800 But... you can handle it 1096 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,680 if you know how. 1097 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,590 How? 1098 00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:05,500 You let them think they're fooling you. 1099 00:54:06,850 --> 00:54:08,600 You act like you believe them, 1100 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,080 but you never forget who they really are. 1101 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,210 And you never let them stop you 1102 00:54:13,410 --> 00:54:15,390 from getting the life that you want. 1103 00:54:15,590 --> 00:54:17,420 And if they try... 1104 00:54:19,250 --> 00:54:20,780 ...you leave them. 1105 00:54:20,980 --> 00:54:23,080 They don't get to leave you. 1106 00:54:33,530 --> 00:54:35,830 Ah, it's such a beautiful day. 1107 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,720 I really like being here with you. 1108 00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:42,140 Where's the book? 1109 00:54:43,230 --> 00:54:45,410 I want to know how it ends. 1110 00:54:52,980 --> 00:54:55,820 MACKSEY [on recording]: Ellen, I've been afraid 1111 00:54:56,020 --> 00:54:58,600 to be this direct with any... another person. 1112 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,340 No matter what my colleagues 1113 00:55:00,540 --> 00:55:04,830 [distorted]: think or say, I-I-I need you. 1114 00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:06,920 Please be with me. 1115 00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,310 I didn't think it was possible 1116 00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:11,620 to even dream of a woman like you. 1117 00:55:11,820 --> 00:55:13,880 [clears throat] So completely generous... 1118 00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,100 [distorts] ...and loving. 1119 00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:18,800 I want you in my life for the next morning 1120 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,410 and every one after. 1121 00:55:20,610 --> 00:55:22,410 We can be together forever. 1122 00:55:22,610 --> 00:55:26,840 If you abandon me now, there is only darkness. 1123 00:55:30,890 --> 00:55:32,330 What's going on? 1124 00:55:32,530 --> 00:55:33,730 Hello to you, too. 1125 00:55:33,930 --> 00:55:35,420 How did you get in here? 1126 00:55:35,620 --> 00:55:38,030 You have a hide-a-key rock. 1127 00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:40,720 I used to have one, too, when I was in middle school. 1128 00:55:45,290 --> 00:55:47,340 Ellen? 1129 00:55:48,730 --> 00:55:50,990 Why are you in my house? 1130 00:55:55,170 --> 00:55:57,040 I feel like you're mad at me. 1131 00:56:06,100 --> 00:56:07,840 Are you mad at me? 1132 00:56:09,620 --> 00:57:29,490 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org 1133 00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:31,830 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYING] 1134 00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:35,280 ALEX: There's only one way for something to end. 1135 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,190 There's only one decision to make. 1136 00:57:38,410 --> 00:57:40,500 How are you gonna get to that ending? 1137 00:57:40,700 --> 00:57:42,160 I have no idea how people are gonna react. 1138 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,330 When you read it, it's kind of like this, 1139 00:57:44,530 --> 00:57:45,630 "Oh, sh--!" 1140 00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:51,600 If we're watching this and it's being told to us 1141 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:52,860 like a mystery, 1142 00:57:53,060 --> 00:57:56,220 is it gonna feel satisfying if the actual killer 1143 00:57:56,420 --> 00:57:58,170 is the same killer from the movie? 1144 00:57:58,690 --> 00:58:01,350 I spend a lot of time thinking about 1145 00:58:01,550 --> 00:58:04,050 what the lives of people 1146 00:58:04,250 --> 00:58:07,840 who are taking care of other people in extremis 1147 00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:11,670 are like psychologically, the way that grinds you down. 1148 00:58:11,870 --> 00:58:14,540 When I was deciding to do the show 1149 00:58:14,740 --> 00:58:16,370 and on the fence about it, 1150 00:58:16,570 --> 00:58:19,150 I had a friend who had been suffering from cancer 1151 00:58:19,350 --> 00:58:20,680 for many years. 1152 00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:22,550 So, I said to her, "I've been asked to do this 1153 00:58:22,750 --> 00:58:24,070 but I don't think I'm gonna do it." 1154 00:58:24,270 --> 00:58:26,030 And she said, "Oh, I totally think you should do it." 1155 00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:29,200 And then shortly after that, she passed. 1156 00:58:29,810 --> 00:58:31,890 And so, I wanted to commemorate her 1157 00:58:32,330 --> 00:58:33,860 as a character in the show. 1158 00:58:34,060 --> 00:58:36,560 [INHALES] I have a friend that's in prison 1159 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,290 for a murder that he didn't commit. 1160 00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:41,650 ALEXANDRA: And then just sort of thinking about Arthur 1161 00:58:41,850 --> 00:58:44,570 as a person who knows how to get things done. 1162 00:58:44,770 --> 00:58:46,570 He's there with his sleeves rolled up 1163 00:58:46,770 --> 00:58:49,660 and he would approach his wife's illness the same way, 1164 00:58:49,860 --> 00:58:52,490 but he feels totally powerless. 1165 00:58:52,690 --> 00:58:54,100 It gets me emotional even now. 1166 00:58:54,300 --> 00:58:56,060 To know that Julia was dying of that 1167 00:58:56,260 --> 00:58:58,150 and there was nothing more I could do. 1168 00:58:58,350 --> 00:59:00,500 And at the same time, I'm watching somebody 1169 00:59:00,700 --> 00:59:03,460 who I love and care about, her life get destroyed. 1170 00:59:03,660 --> 00:59:05,550 ALEXANDRA: And so, when Beth comes to him 1171 00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:08,190 when her life is in devastation, 1172 00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,030 part of his, you know, lizard brain starts to work on, 1173 00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:13,630 "I could fix this somehow." 1174 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,550 Beth needs help. 1175 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,030 I'm gonna go help her.[SIGHS] 1176 00:59:18,990 --> 00:59:20,510 Help her. Mm-hmm. 1177 00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,130 BRIAN: Whoa, wow, whoa, wait a second. 1178 00:59:23,330 --> 00:59:24,960 Because that means he got in the car, 1179 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:26,920 started it, hit stop signs, red lights, 1180 00:59:27,110 --> 00:59:28,480 and didn't change his mind. 1181 00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,010 He went there and did this. 1182 00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,620 So, of course, he's had to have snapped, right? 1183 00:59:32,820 --> 00:59:35,450 Who's Arthur to get to play judge and jury? 1184 00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,230 Who is he to decide? 1185 00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:39,090 Well, I know it because, um... 1186 00:59:40,660 --> 00:59:41,930 because I did it. 1187 00:59:42,130 --> 00:59:44,840 ALEXANDRA: It kind of was a natural evolution 1188 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,020 to start thinking about Arthur 1189 00:59:47,220 --> 00:59:51,640 and to not make him just a mustache-twirling villain, 1190 00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,070 to make him a person who is doing a terrible thing 1191 00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:56,600 for a good reason 1192 00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,810 and then having to live with it. 1193 01:00:03,290 --> 01:00:05,120 ALEX: Yeah. I just wanna tell you something. 1194 01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,040 It's something that I wish somebody had told me 1195 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:09,910 so I didn't have to learn it myself. 1196 01:00:10,510 --> 01:00:14,050 It's who you can trust and who you can't. 1197 01:00:14,250 --> 01:00:15,960 SILVER: We just get these very quick glimpses 1198 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:17,970 of Ellen in the feature film 1199 01:00:18,170 --> 01:00:20,750 and Alex really wanted to explore 1200 01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:23,890 what that trauma did to Ellen 1201 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:25,670 and what happened in the years since. 1202 01:00:25,870 --> 01:00:29,140 I think the theme of it is very Greek tragedy 1203 01:00:29,660 --> 01:00:31,550 in the sense of your sin will find you out. 1204 01:00:31,740 --> 01:00:36,070 It felt important to show Dan the consequences. 1205 01:00:36,270 --> 01:00:39,200 It can be dealt with, but it can't be erased. 1206 01:00:39,540 --> 01:00:41,290 I think now is an ideal time 1207 01:00:41,490 --> 01:00:44,730 to re-examine this story, reopen it. 1208 01:00:44,930 --> 01:00:47,520 I would want to know more of her side of what's going on. 1209 01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,560 It can be a constant conversation. 1210 01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,780 You couldn't watch it without asking more questions 1211 01:00:52,980 --> 01:00:55,220 or finding sympathy for her. 1212 01:00:55,420 --> 01:00:56,690 Your parents, they're... 1213 01:00:57,950 --> 01:01:00,520 they're pretending that nothing's wrong. 1214 01:01:01,300 --> 01:01:02,700 They're lying to you. 1215 01:01:03,260 --> 01:01:05,100 ALEXANDRA: She's going down the road 1216 01:01:05,300 --> 01:01:06,360 that Alex is going down. 1217 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,840 She's just better at lying about it. 1218 01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,670 SILVER: Making Ellen become Alex. 1219 01:01:11,870 --> 01:01:13,630 It's not punishment necessarily, 1220 01:01:13,830 --> 01:01:15,850 but it's something that he never did the math 1221 01:01:16,050 --> 01:01:17,330 of how the women in his life 1222 01:01:17,530 --> 01:01:20,030 were actually gonna be impacted by this. 1223 01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:21,190 To freedom. 1224 01:01:21,980 --> 01:01:24,080 ALYSSA: I think it's like a incredibly complicated journey. 1225 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,950 There's a lot of pain and a lot of misunderstanding 1226 01:01:27,150 --> 01:01:28,730 throughout the whole show. 1227 01:01:28,930 --> 01:01:31,430 If she misinterprets the messages 1228 01:01:31,630 --> 01:01:32,640 that she's getting, 1229 01:01:33,470 --> 01:01:34,730 she will destroy you. 1230 01:01:35,770 --> 01:01:37,310 ALYSSA: Her overall goal has always been 1231 01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:39,220 that she wants to have this man in her life. 1232 01:01:39,420 --> 01:01:41,090 I think her allegiance has always been with him 1233 01:01:41,290 --> 01:01:44,960 but he's just done too much to her to live in that space. 1234 01:01:48,700 --> 01:01:51,540 ALEXANDRA: She's very aware of everyone else's shadows, 1235 01:01:51,740 --> 01:01:54,060 but she's not aware of her own. 1236 01:01:54,260 --> 01:01:55,840 SILVER: We all remember that scene where 1237 01:01:56,450 --> 01:01:59,460 Alex made a tape for Dan, from the original film, 1238 01:01:59,660 --> 01:02:00,900 and he's listening to it. 1239 01:02:01,090 --> 01:02:02,590 So, I think the audience is gonna be going, 1240 01:02:02,790 --> 01:02:04,070 "Wait a minute, what are these tapes?" 1241 01:02:04,270 --> 01:02:05,770 "And who is this?" 1242 01:02:05,970 --> 01:02:10,120 And then, the reveal that she herself is stalking 1243 01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,820 is going to, I think, blow everybody's mind. 1244 01:02:13,020 --> 01:02:14,730 Why are you in my house? 1245 01:02:15,380 --> 01:02:17,250 I feel like you're mad at me. 1246 01:02:17,730 --> 01:02:19,220 ALEXANDRA: "Are you mad at me?" 1247 01:02:19,420 --> 01:02:21,480 really is just sort of a hallmark 1248 01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,440 of the emotional relationship insecurity 1249 01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,230 that someone with a personality disorder 1250 01:02:28,430 --> 01:02:30,140 in that realm would feel. 1251 01:02:30,340 --> 01:02:34,100 Even though Ellen and Alex are different in some ways, 1252 01:02:34,300 --> 01:02:36,540 in some ways they're very the same. 1253 01:02:36,740 --> 01:02:41,200 And so, to use that specific wording also felt important 1254 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,840 to connect those two people. 1255 01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:45,450 Are you mad at me?