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-Alright.
Let's do a little sound check.0

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Just can you tell us who you are

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And what your relation is
to this particular story?

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-My name is eric aaron --
a-a-r-o-n -- bischoff.

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Date of birth, 5/27/1955.

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And I'm here to talk
about the nwo because...

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[bleep] I created it.

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♪♪

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-You are the...

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-♪ driving in the fast lane ♪

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-In many ways, the nwo
was kind of a proof of concept

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For the entertainment business
that you can put the villain,

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The bad guy,
in the protagonist role.

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-You're never gonna see
another bad guy like me, chico.

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-Starting in the '90s,
it was a brand-new feeling

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Where the regular, boring,
good-guy hero

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From the '80s
was no longer compelling.

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-♪ it feels right ♪

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-These guys are disgusting.

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Oh, no! Oh!

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-People like bad guys.

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-They are spray-painting him!

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♪♪

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-Here's the nwo!

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-Ready or not, here we come!

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-Shows like "sopranos",

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Shows like "breaking bad,"
shows like "the wire,"

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Where the featured protagonists
in these shows are bad people,

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And that's how the nwo was.

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But they were the ones
being cheered.

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-All of a sudden, it was kind of
liberating for the fans

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Who had been toeing the line

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To all of a sudden
cheer for the bad guy.

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-Let's get right in.

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-Alright, we have seen
the end of hulkamania.

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-One of the reasons
that people...

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Find something interesting...
Sometimes attractive...

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In a good villain
is they see themselves.

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-I'm the man!

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I am god!

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-♪ driving in the fast lane ♪

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♪ foot down, accelerate ♪

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♪ it feels right ♪

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[ birds chirping ]

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-I think professional wrestling,
like anything else,

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You watch it, you enjoy it,

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Becomes a part of your regular
viewing habits

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And maybe even
a part of your life.

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Yes, it's physical.

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It's dynamic.

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It's risky.

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But more than all that,
it's psychology.

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It's storytelling.

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It's like
any other form of entertainment.

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When a story is really good,

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When the psychology
behind a story is good...

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It seems like real life.

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♪♪

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It is funny, like any other form
of storytelling,

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It really always comes down
to a good guy and a bad guy.

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Historically, most people
want to be the good guy.

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♪♪

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But that's not what the nwo
was all about.

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The nwo turned that...
Idea on its head.

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It was a turning point
in a lot of ways.

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It became cool to be a bad guy.

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♪♪

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Welcome back to
world championship wrestling.

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I'm eric bischoff,
and this is the wcw magazine.

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I got hired in wcw
as a backup announcer.

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[ cheers and applause ]

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Hello, everybody!

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And from the studios of
world championship wrestling,

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This is...

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Wcw was in the tank.

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Wcw's ratings were dismal.

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It will be sting
taking on the prisoner.

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The show looked horrible.

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They were giving tickets away.

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Obviously, we -- we have a --

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We had a little bit
of a technical difficulty here.

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Wcw couldn't draw flies
if they rolled in cow manure.

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♪♪

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Even when you got
somewhat of a crowd,

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They weren't really invested.

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They were taking the tickets
because they were free,

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But most of them weren't

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Really into any of
the stories or characters.

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So you can't possibly get
a reaction that you can go,

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"oh, well,
they really liked that,

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So maybe we should do
more of that and less of this,"

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Because you're dealing with
an artificial crowd,

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For the most part.

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Ted turner, who, by the way,
was the only fan of wcw

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In turner broadcasting,

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Came down to wcw
and essentially said,

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"here's the deal.

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This is wcw's last shot."

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If this company
can't turn itself around

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In a relatively short
period of time,

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Ted is gonna pull the plug.

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It wasn't long after that that
I was made a vice president.

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I began to have
more influence over creative.

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As we go forward now,

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We needed somebody
to attract national advertisers.

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We needed a bigger,

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Broader appeal
of a star in our company.

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-♪ I am a real american ♪

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♪ fight for the rights
of every man ♪

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-[ chanting ] we want hulk!
We want hulk!

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We want hulk! We want hulk!

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-Hogan! Hogan! Hogan! Hogan!
Hogan! Hogan! Hogan!

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-Hulk hogan had left wwe.

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-This is the beginning

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Of a new era for
world championship wrestling.

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Hulk hogan, five-time world
wrestling federation champ,

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All of a sudden
back in the professional ranks,

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But this time with wcw.

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-Hulk hogan transformed
what professional wrestling was

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In the eyes of not only the
public and the viewing audience,

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But advertisers
and television executives,

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And that's what
wcw needed in 1994.

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-Well, you know something,
mean gene?

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I told ya hulkamania was gonna
run wild in the wcw, brother.

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Look at all the hulkamaniacs.

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Can you hear them, mean gene?

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[ cheers and applause ]

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The reason I went to wcw
is basically,

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Vince and I had
a different opinion

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On where my career was at.

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[ waves crashing ]

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I felt that my run
definitely wasn't over.

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It was like a fresh start.

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It had a little bit
of a weird feel to it.

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I was so used to
those big live crowds

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Every Monday and Thursday,
you know,

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So it didn't take long,
you know, to get in eric's ear

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And explain to him that we
really need to be competitive.

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And anything less than that,
and I'd have been gone.

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♪♪

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-Hello, everyone, and welcome
to the japan supershow iii.

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I'm eric bischoff.

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67,000 people on hand here
at the tokyo dome.

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Tremendous lineup.

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1993, '94,
I started doing business

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With a company
called new japan pro-wrestling.

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[ cheers and applause ]

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♪♪

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When I first went to japan,
I saw such a contrast.

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Wwe's live-event business
was in the tank.

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It was in the toilet.

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Wcw's couldn't even
find the toilet,

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Whereas in japan,
they were putting

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60,000 or 80,000 people
in the tokyo dome.

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So I thought, "okay, how do I
migrate some of the elements

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That I saw working in japan?"

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[ cheers and applause ]

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I think what the japanese did
so much better

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Than anybody in the u.S.
At that time

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Was suspending disbelief.

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If you can consistently
do things

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That make the audience forget...

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That everything is scripted,
that's the sweet spot.

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[ cheers and applause ]

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Something is going to happen

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That's gonna make the audience
say to themselves,

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Either subconsciously or
to someone watching with them...

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"hey, look, I know all
that stuff's scripted,

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But<i> that</i> -- that wasn't
supposed to happen."

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[ reel clicking ]

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[ cheers and applause
in distance ]

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-You people...
You know who I am.

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♪♪

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[ footsteps approach ]

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-You're never gonna see
another bad guy like me, chico.

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Say hello to razor ramon.

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-He means business.

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-I'm gonna show you...

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Just how bad the bad guy can be.

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<i> I remember going to events</i>
<i> and asking them,</i>

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"what can I do
to improve my work?"

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<i> I said, "is it my microphone</i>
<i> skills that enhancement?</i>

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<i> Is it my ring work?"</i>

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<i> And he said, "absolutely not.</i>

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<i> I'm very pleased</i>
<i> with your performance."</i>

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I said,
"well, I'm curious because...

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My pay has plateaued

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Compared to the guys
who preceded me,

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And I'm wondering what I need
to do to make that big money

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Like these guys
who went before me."

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And he just kind of went, "hmm,"

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And I was summoned to the office
for meetings after that.

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And we couldn't really
come to any kind of agreement,

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And I ended up
getting my notice.

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Nobody cares
where you come from, chico.

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They only care
where you're going.

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And like about a week later,
kevin nash gave his notice.

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-Two reasons --
more money and less dates.

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♪♪

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For three years,
I had been there.

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We had a no-cannabis rule.

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♪♪

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Scott and I weren't gonna
take a piss test

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If they were
gonna administer one,

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So we smoked on the way
to the garden.

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We had, like, an astro van,
something horrible,

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And we drove into the city.

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And we knew going to turner

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That we would not be back
in the garden.

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That was the significance
of the garden.

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[ cheers and applause ]

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We just got lost in the emotion
of it because it was over.

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[ cheers and applause ]

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-I felt like,
"wow, chapter completed.

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This chapter is done.

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Now I gonna go to see wcw

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To see what's
waiting for me there."

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-You are looking live as
professional wrestling's

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Hottest television program
has just gotten bigger.

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Welcome to wcw Monday nitro
on tnt!

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-I arrive in macon, georgia.

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Eric bischoff picks me up
at the airport.

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And, you know, I've never met
eric and, you know,

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I'm handsomely paid by them
and, you know, blah, blah, blah.

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Here we go,
and I'm a little skeptical.

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I mean, I've just left
the biggest show there is.

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I was just in madison square
garden the night before,

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And now here we go
to macon, georgia.

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All due respect
to the residents of macon,

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But it ain't new york city.

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-The program you already love
is now getting bigger.

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One of the things
that I wanted to do

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To make our show different
than the wwe show --

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I wanted nitro to feel gritty.

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I wanted it to feel live.

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Welcome back live
to the first hour

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Of this edition
of wcw Monday nitro on tnt,

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Tony schiavone
and larry zbyszko,

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And we are taking a look
at the mauler completely maul

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His opponent, steve doll.

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-Well, you know, steve doll

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Is trying to get
the offensive going, but --

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-Wait a minute.
What the hell is going on here?

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It's a lot easier sometimes.

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You get
a lot more real reaction,

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Honest reaction,
by surprising as many people

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As you can that are on camera,

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Which is why
when I had scott hall

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Walk down through the crowd,
nobody's seen that before.

250
00:12:50,312 --> 00:12:51,919
Interrupt the match
in the middle of a match

251
00:12:51,980 --> 00:12:54,664
On live television,
nobody's ever seen that before.

252
00:12:54,691 --> 00:12:57,450
I didn't even tell
the two guys in the match.

253
00:12:57,568 --> 00:12:59,927
They had no idea
what was going on.

254
00:12:59,929 --> 00:13:01,170
[ cheers and applause ]

255
00:13:01,198 --> 00:13:02,580
-What's with this?

256
00:13:02,698 --> 00:13:03,915
-And instead of hitting the ring

257
00:13:03,917 --> 00:13:05,300
And, like,
beating these guys up,

258
00:13:05,327 --> 00:13:06,876
I just went right
to the microphone,

259
00:13:06,878 --> 00:13:09,879
Right to the hard camera,
and did my interview,

260
00:13:09,881 --> 00:13:11,547
And they stopped wrestling.

261
00:13:11,549 --> 00:13:13,574
And it was -- it became real,

262
00:13:13,693 --> 00:13:15,426
Like, "what are you doing,
scott?

263
00:13:15,428 --> 00:13:17,186
What are you doing?"

264
00:13:17,214 --> 00:13:20,340
You people...
You know who I am...

265
00:13:20,458 --> 00:13:22,600
[ cheers and applause ]

266
00:13:22,602 --> 00:13:27,338
...But you don't know
why I'm here.

267
00:13:27,456 --> 00:13:29,790
-All of that created
that sense of believability

268
00:13:29,851 --> 00:13:34,037
And allowed
for the suspension of disbelief

269
00:13:34,064 --> 00:13:36,706
That really launched the nwo.

270
00:13:36,733 --> 00:13:39,800
-You want to go to war?

271
00:13:39,861 --> 00:13:42,954
You want a war?

272
00:13:42,956 --> 00:13:45,122
You're gonna get one.

273
00:13:45,124 --> 00:13:46,440
♪♪

274
00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,385
-Watching scott hall
come into the ring,

275
00:13:49,412 --> 00:13:51,721
You go, "holy crap.

276
00:13:51,748 --> 00:13:54,648
This is good stuff."

277
00:13:54,709 --> 00:13:57,969
You know, I caught myself,
you know, watching it, like,

278
00:13:57,971 --> 00:14:00,471
"oh, my god," you know,
"what's he doing here?"

279
00:14:00,473 --> 00:14:02,473
I went, "oh, my god.
I knew he was coming, but I --

280
00:14:02,475 --> 00:14:05,459
I got locked into
the moment with him."

281
00:14:05,578 --> 00:14:10,815
-The only reason it worked
was because I'm a wwe guy.

282
00:14:10,817 --> 00:14:12,300
I'm razor. I'm razor.

283
00:14:12,418 --> 00:14:16,245
I was just in madison square
garden the night before.

284
00:14:16,273 --> 00:14:19,281
People thought
vince sent me there.

285
00:14:19,283 --> 00:14:22,009
I knew then that it was working.

286
00:14:22,070 --> 00:14:23,311
Yo, ken doll...

287
00:14:23,429 --> 00:14:25,179
[ cheers and applause ]

288
00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,408
I had such a good time
last week...

289
00:14:28,526 --> 00:14:30,835
That I came back for more.

290
00:14:30,837 --> 00:14:33,096
-It became clear to me

291
00:14:33,123 --> 00:14:38,935
That the more I could get
the audience to ask questions...

292
00:14:38,962 --> 00:14:41,087
The more engaged they were.

293
00:14:41,205 --> 00:14:43,681
[ cheers and applause ]

294
00:14:43,683 --> 00:14:46,700
Wait a minute! Wait a minute!

295
00:14:46,761 --> 00:14:50,263
Wait a minute! Wait a minute!
-Huh? Okay.

296
00:14:50,381 --> 00:14:52,189
Okay, tough guy.

297
00:14:52,191 --> 00:14:57,695
I got a little -- no, I got
a<i> big</i> surprise for you...

298
00:14:57,697 --> 00:14:59,030
Next week.

299
00:14:59,032 --> 00:15:01,624
-That created questions.

300
00:15:01,651 --> 00:15:04,368
Who is it?
Who could it possibly be?

301
00:15:04,370 --> 00:15:06,446
Scott hall was a surprise.
It was a shock.

302
00:15:06,564 --> 00:15:08,114
The way he came down
was a shock.

303
00:15:08,232 --> 00:15:12,693
Now we're teasing who
his big buddy was going to be.

304
00:15:12,812 --> 00:15:16,139
That was designed intentionally
to get the audience

305
00:15:16,166 --> 00:15:19,308
To start asking questions
and debate amongst themselves.

306
00:15:19,336 --> 00:15:23,237
Where is it? The big surprise.

307
00:15:23,298 --> 00:15:27,050
I mean, I heard a lot of talk,
but where's the walk?

308
00:15:27,210 --> 00:15:30,386
[ cheers and applause ]

309
00:15:33,232 --> 00:15:37,326
-Even though we were heelish,
we were so much cooler

310
00:15:37,354 --> 00:15:41,330
Than...
Everybody else on this show.

311
00:15:41,358 --> 00:15:44,408
The measuring stick
just changed around here, buddy.

312
00:15:44,410 --> 00:15:45,759
You're looking at it.

313
00:15:45,820 --> 00:15:49,005
-There was also that sentiment
in the '90s,

314
00:15:49,032 --> 00:15:52,483
Who wouldn't want to punch their
boss in the face or, you know,

315
00:15:52,601 --> 00:15:55,161
Powerbomb their boss
off of a stage onto a table,

316
00:15:55,279 --> 00:15:57,604
As kevin nash did
to eric bischoff.

317
00:15:57,666 --> 00:15:59,307
They were involved
in these segments

318
00:15:59,334 --> 00:16:02,093
Where they were jumping
other wrestlers from behind.

319
00:16:02,211 --> 00:16:03,895
They were bullying
the commentary team.

320
00:16:03,897 --> 00:16:06,097
They were doing all of these
outside-the-ring things

321
00:16:06,099 --> 00:16:08,524
To get under wcw's skin.

322
00:16:08,551 --> 00:16:12,528
-Came to see the big boys!
[ laughs ]

323
00:16:12,555 --> 00:16:15,932
-We tossed around some ideas,
and I was thinking, like,

324
00:16:16,092 --> 00:16:19,626
"how about aluminum
baseball bats?"

325
00:16:19,688 --> 00:16:22,113
Like, right before we went out,
eric said,

326
00:16:22,115 --> 00:16:25,541
"do not bring the bats
to the ring."

327
00:16:25,568 --> 00:16:28,211
And I went..."okay."

328
00:16:28,238 --> 00:16:31,698
Like, that means,
"bring the bats to the ring."

329
00:16:31,816 --> 00:16:33,774
-They've got baseball bats
in their hand!

330
00:16:33,893 --> 00:16:35,609
[ cheers and applause ]

331
00:16:35,728 --> 00:16:38,387
They've got
baseball bats in their hand!

332
00:16:38,415 --> 00:16:40,556
-We went off the air
with the charlotte cops

333
00:16:40,583 --> 00:16:45,469
Coming underneath the rope
and unbuttoning their holsters

334
00:16:45,471 --> 00:16:48,655
And putting their hands
on the firearms.

335
00:16:48,675 --> 00:16:51,992
And I don't think anybody
had ever seen that

336
00:16:52,012 --> 00:16:53,811
In professional wrestling
before.

337
00:16:53,813 --> 00:16:55,996
-Ladies and gentlemen,
never before have we seen

338
00:16:56,016 --> 00:16:58,132
Or witnessed
anything like this.

339
00:16:58,292 --> 00:17:02,887
The outsiders in the ring,
and they are hammering away!

340
00:17:03,005 --> 00:17:05,806
-See ya, monty! Whoo!

341
00:17:05,925 --> 00:17:08,325
-The first thing the nwo did
and the storyline did

342
00:17:08,327 --> 00:17:09,660
Was they kind of changed

343
00:17:09,662 --> 00:17:11,312
The rules of engagement
of pro wrestling.

344
00:17:11,430 --> 00:17:14,590
The way that they drew up
the storyline was to make it

345
00:17:14,617 --> 00:17:17,668
Blur the lines between
what was real and what was not.

346
00:17:17,670 --> 00:17:21,130
-Well, many of you know that
for the last several weeks,

347
00:17:21,132 --> 00:17:23,541
Since may 27th,
as a matter of fact,

348
00:17:23,659 --> 00:17:25,859
We've had a number of...

349
00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,439
Let's just call them
interruptions on nitro.

350
00:17:30,467 --> 00:17:33,000
-Hall and nash together,
when they came to wcw,

351
00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,777
They were known
as the outsiders.

352
00:17:34,804 --> 00:17:37,838
That was the first name
that anyone gave them.

353
00:17:37,957 --> 00:17:39,782
Even before they were starting
to call them

354
00:17:39,809 --> 00:17:41,859
By their real names,
scott hall and kevin nash,

355
00:17:41,861 --> 00:17:44,178
They were referred to
as the outsiders,

356
00:17:44,296 --> 00:17:47,190
But what they're asking for
is a match.

357
00:17:47,350 --> 00:17:48,849
-You want a match.
You want a war.

358
00:17:49,009 --> 00:17:51,018
You want it inside of the ring,
you're gonna get it.

359
00:17:51,137 --> 00:17:53,129
-They want a match against
wcw's top stars,

360
00:17:53,156 --> 00:17:54,463
And they say three.

361
00:17:54,491 --> 00:17:56,373
There's only two of them
at that time.

362
00:17:56,375 --> 00:17:59,302
There's only hall and nash,
so there was that implication

363
00:17:59,329 --> 00:18:02,196
That there's going to be
a surprise third member.

364
00:18:02,314 --> 00:18:04,882
-You know,
you tell billionaire ted

365
00:18:04,884 --> 00:18:08,644
To break out the money
and get anybody you can

366
00:18:08,671 --> 00:18:11,446
Because the big man

367
00:18:11,508 --> 00:18:17,153
And the medium-sized man
and our surprise buddy

368
00:18:17,180 --> 00:18:19,563
Are gonna carve them...

369
00:18:19,565 --> 00:18:22,007
-From that point forward,

370
00:18:22,126 --> 00:18:25,937
The evolution of that story was
all about who's the third man?

371
00:18:26,055 --> 00:18:28,272
-I've got to know
who that third man is.

372
00:18:28,391 --> 00:18:29,665
-Well --
-why can't we know it?

373
00:18:29,692 --> 00:18:30,908
-We've talked about that before.

374
00:18:30,910 --> 00:18:33,244
That was all intentional
and by design.

375
00:18:33,246 --> 00:18:38,098
However, I had no idea
that it was going to have...

376
00:18:38,159 --> 00:18:40,952
The impact
it ultimately had had.

377
00:18:45,575 --> 00:18:47,591
[ birds chirping ]

378
00:18:47,593 --> 00:18:49,751
-Go get the rabbits.

379
00:18:49,753 --> 00:18:54,248
Early '96, hulk has been with us
for a little over a year.

380
00:18:54,366 --> 00:18:57,768
Initially, there was all kinds
of enthusiasm --

381
00:18:57,770 --> 00:19:01,605
Ticker-tape parade at disney,
a lot of media.

382
00:19:01,607 --> 00:19:04,367
Got a lot of coverage
in the press,

383
00:19:04,394 --> 00:19:05,959
All very positive.

384
00:19:06,020 --> 00:19:09,613
Wrestling fans initially
were really excited,

385
00:19:09,732 --> 00:19:15,135
But after about a year,
kind of seemed like fans

386
00:19:15,196 --> 00:19:17,446
Were just -- I don't know.

387
00:19:17,607 --> 00:19:19,823
It was kind of like a
"been there, done that,"

388
00:19:19,825 --> 00:19:21,625
And it just got me thinking,
you know,

389
00:19:21,627 --> 00:19:25,963
"I wonder -- I wonder
if hulk would consider...

390
00:19:25,965 --> 00:19:28,374
Shifting gears and turning heel.

391
00:19:28,492 --> 00:19:31,468
♪♪

392
00:19:31,470 --> 00:19:36,465
-I felt a little bit of a lag,
so I started disappearing,

393
00:19:36,626 --> 00:19:38,542
Doing movies
and different stuff,

394
00:19:38,661 --> 00:19:42,046
Trying to give the fans
a break from my stuff.

395
00:19:42,164 --> 00:19:46,650
When eric first came to me
with this, I said no.

396
00:19:46,652 --> 00:19:48,969
-He looked at me and he said,
"brother,

397
00:19:49,088 --> 00:19:52,748
Until you walk a mile
in my red and yellow boots,

398
00:19:52,775 --> 00:19:55,443
You'll never really understand
this character."

399
00:19:55,561 --> 00:19:57,328
-I've been training
and saying my prayers

400
00:19:57,330 --> 00:19:59,922
And eating my vitamins,
and everywhere I go, man,

401
00:19:59,949 --> 00:20:01,832
The people are training
in the parking lots,

402
00:20:01,834 --> 00:20:03,058
Posing in the gyms.

403
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:04,368
The women
are getting better shape.

404
00:20:04,487 --> 00:20:05,686
-Hulk had two very young kids.

405
00:20:05,747 --> 00:20:07,263
I think they were still

406
00:20:07,290 --> 00:20:09,582
In grade school
or junior high at the time,

407
00:20:09,700 --> 00:20:14,495
And their whole lives, daddy has
been this red and yellow hero

408
00:20:14,613 --> 00:20:16,214
And this character
that everybody loved.

409
00:20:16,332 --> 00:20:18,758
And hulk hogan the character
was doing

410
00:20:18,876 --> 00:20:21,001
Make-a-wish appearances.

411
00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:24,496
It meant a lot to hulk.

412
00:20:24,615 --> 00:20:26,782
-I was concerned about
a lot of the kids

413
00:20:26,809 --> 00:20:28,935
Because I had so many things

414
00:20:29,053 --> 00:20:31,771
Along those years
being hulk hogan that,

415
00:20:31,889 --> 00:20:34,031
"oh, my gosh,
I grew up without a father.

416
00:20:34,033 --> 00:20:35,699
If it wasn't for you,
I would've never made it,"

417
00:20:35,701 --> 00:20:37,701
Or, "I quit doing drugs
because of you,"

418
00:20:37,820 --> 00:20:41,705
Or, "my childhood was horrible,
except I believed in you,"

419
00:20:41,707 --> 00:20:45,618
And I was like, "oh, boy,
this is gonna be tough."

420
00:20:45,736 --> 00:20:48,012
-It's not like he could
go back and become

421
00:20:48,130 --> 00:20:50,631
That red and yellow character
the very next week.

422
00:20:50,633 --> 00:20:53,025
Once you make this decision,
once you pull the trigger

423
00:20:53,044 --> 00:20:54,627
And the bullet
leaves the barrel,

424
00:20:54,745 --> 00:20:58,222
You're not putting it back in
for a long, long time.

425
00:20:58,224 --> 00:21:00,949
-A former five-time
world champion,

426
00:21:01,010 --> 00:21:03,060
The six-foot, seven-inch...

427
00:21:03,062 --> 00:21:06,655
As we go forward now
into the bash at the beach,

428
00:21:06,683 --> 00:21:08,790
Which is going to be
the big reveal

429
00:21:08,851 --> 00:21:12,085
Of who the third man was...

430
00:21:12,146 --> 00:21:13,813
♪♪

431
00:21:13,931 --> 00:21:15,422
Later on, ladies and gentlemen,

432
00:21:15,483 --> 00:21:18,334
We will have this big
six-man main event.

433
00:21:18,361 --> 00:21:20,911
Who is the third man?
We are still not sure.

434
00:21:20,913 --> 00:21:23,580
You will find out
by calling your cable operator

435
00:21:23,582 --> 00:21:24,915
And saying you want...

436
00:21:24,917 --> 00:21:26,750
I had the story
pretty much laid out

437
00:21:26,752 --> 00:21:31,071
Exactly the way it played out,
but instead of hulk hogan,

438
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:34,274
It was originally
gonna be sting.

439
00:21:34,294 --> 00:21:39,388
At the time, sting was
the biggest hero in wcw.

440
00:21:39,390 --> 00:21:41,223
I wanted sting to turn heel.

441
00:21:41,225 --> 00:21:45,769
-Ladies and gentlemen, the most
popular wrestler of 1994

442
00:21:45,771 --> 00:21:49,606
As voted by you, the fans,
this is sting!

443
00:21:49,608 --> 00:21:52,259
[ applause ]

444
00:21:52,378 --> 00:21:54,294
-I make speech!

445
00:21:54,355 --> 00:21:58,115
-Sting finally
got comfortable with that.

446
00:21:58,117 --> 00:22:01,877
Then I get a phone call one day
from hulk hogan.

447
00:22:01,904 --> 00:22:05,138
Hulk said, "so..."

448
00:22:05,199 --> 00:22:08,217
Always curls his lips up.

449
00:22:08,244 --> 00:22:11,462
"so...Who's the third man?"

450
00:22:11,464 --> 00:22:14,147
-Eric was thinking about
putting sting in there.

451
00:22:14,208 --> 00:22:17,634
Once I saw, you know,
scott show big kev

452
00:22:17,636 --> 00:22:21,397
Powerbomb eric off the stage,
I went, "oh, boy.

453
00:22:21,424 --> 00:22:22,973
When I turn heel,

454
00:22:22,975 --> 00:22:26,810
This is gonna either
destroy my career

455
00:22:26,812 --> 00:22:28,495
Or this is gonna be
the greatest thing

456
00:22:28,556 --> 00:22:30,297
That ever happened
in wrestling."

457
00:22:30,416 --> 00:22:32,983
-So much has been said,
written, and talked about.

458
00:22:32,985 --> 00:22:34,643
So many unexpected occurrences

459
00:22:34,804 --> 00:22:36,704
Have happened
over the past couple of weeks.

460
00:22:36,731 --> 00:22:38,213
-The day comes.

461
00:22:38,274 --> 00:22:41,292
Bash at the beach pay-per-view,
July of '96.

462
00:22:41,294 --> 00:22:43,419
I was not 100% sure

463
00:22:43,446 --> 00:22:46,814
That hulk
was gonna follow through.

464
00:22:46,932 --> 00:22:51,502
-At 5:30, we still don't know
if he was in or out.

465
00:22:51,620 --> 00:22:53,579
-You know, we're doing this
"who's the third man?" thing,

466
00:22:53,697 --> 00:22:55,431
This big angle
at the bash at the beach.

467
00:22:55,458 --> 00:22:57,415
We're gonna launch the nwo.

468
00:22:57,535 --> 00:22:59,009
Now we go to the ring.

469
00:22:59,011 --> 00:23:00,677
Hulk is still not there,

470
00:23:00,679 --> 00:23:03,923
And we still don't know
if hulk agrees or not,

471
00:23:04,041 --> 00:23:05,849
Because in his contract,

472
00:23:05,851 --> 00:23:08,402
He has approval
over what his character does.

473
00:23:08,429 --> 00:23:13,432
And he's been a hero
to millions his whole career.

474
00:23:13,551 --> 00:23:15,542
I remember looking at bischoff,
going, "what's up?"

475
00:23:15,603 --> 00:23:18,862
And he goes,
"well, listen, if it's not hulk,

476
00:23:18,864 --> 00:23:21,532
We're gonna send sting."

477
00:23:21,534 --> 00:23:26,112
All due respect to sting,
it wouldn't have worked.

478
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:29,890
-Wcw picks their top three,
and it's lex luger,

479
00:23:29,951 --> 00:23:32,118
Sting, and the macho man.

480
00:23:32,236 --> 00:23:34,678
-Three against two,
the way I like it.

481
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,171
-I'll tell you what,

482
00:23:36,173 --> 00:23:38,882
I'm still seeing
that bad intentions going on.

483
00:23:38,884 --> 00:23:41,334
This whole hand
has not been dealt.

484
00:23:41,336 --> 00:23:43,370
The hand has not been dealt,
brother.

485
00:23:43,530 --> 00:23:45,030
-It's just hall and nash.

486
00:23:45,049 --> 00:23:47,023
There's no third person.

487
00:23:47,025 --> 00:23:48,375
The commentary team is trying

488
00:23:48,494 --> 00:23:50,152
To sell this as,
"what's going on?

489
00:23:50,179 --> 00:23:51,362
Where is this third person?

490
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,762
Is a third person
even in the match?"

491
00:23:52,764 --> 00:23:54,006
You know,
"who is this third person?"

492
00:23:54,124 --> 00:23:55,649
-They have said
the third man is here,

493
00:23:55,651 --> 00:23:56,967
But he is not in the ring.

494
00:23:57,085 --> 00:24:00,438
-As the wcw team starts
to get the better

495
00:24:00,556 --> 00:24:02,906
A little bit of hall and nash...

496
00:24:02,908 --> 00:24:04,575
Hulk hogan comes out.

497
00:24:04,577 --> 00:24:06,152
[ cheers and applause ]

498
00:24:06,270 --> 00:24:09,246
-Hulk hogan is here!
Hulk hogan's here!

499
00:24:09,248 --> 00:24:12,158
Hulk hogan is in the building!

500
00:24:12,276 --> 00:24:14,827
-You're damn right, he is!
-Go get 'em, hulkster!

501
00:24:14,945 --> 00:24:17,413
-It was just crazy
when I came out.

502
00:24:17,573 --> 00:24:20,941
I wanted that natural reaction
from the fans.

503
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,744
How could our hero
stab us in the heart?

504
00:24:23,862 --> 00:24:26,321
[ cheers and applause ]

505
00:24:26,382 --> 00:24:29,833
-I could feel the audience.

506
00:24:29,835 --> 00:24:32,769
Here comes their hero.

507
00:24:32,771 --> 00:24:34,513
Everybody was certain

508
00:24:34,632 --> 00:24:38,442
He was there to defend the honor
of wcw,

509
00:24:38,444 --> 00:24:41,294
And then the leg drop.

510
00:24:41,355 --> 00:24:44,698
[ cheers and applause ]

511
00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:48,201
♪♪

512
00:24:48,203 --> 00:24:50,029
-What is he doing?!
-Oh, my god!

513
00:24:50,147 --> 00:24:51,697
Is he the third man?!

514
00:24:51,815 --> 00:24:55,642
-He's the third man!
-What the hell is going on here?

515
00:24:55,661 --> 00:24:57,978
-He is the third man
in this picture!

516
00:24:58,039 --> 00:24:59,613
-Look at this! Oh, my god!

517
00:24:59,731 --> 00:25:01,365
What the hell is going on?!

518
00:25:01,483 --> 00:25:04,651
Oh, my god. Are you kidding me?!

519
00:25:04,712 --> 00:25:07,988
[ cheers and applause ]

520
00:25:08,049 --> 00:25:14,528
♪♪

521
00:25:14,555 --> 00:25:16,188
-Unbelievable, brother.

522
00:25:16,190 --> 00:25:19,149
-I remember scott
looking at him, going,

523
00:25:19,151 --> 00:25:20,817
"whatever you do, man,

524
00:25:20,819 --> 00:25:24,747
Make sure the referee
counts three."

525
00:25:24,774 --> 00:25:26,657
And the first thing he does

526
00:25:26,659 --> 00:25:30,903
Is picks up the referee
and throws him out of the ring.

527
00:25:31,021 --> 00:25:34,256
[ cheers and applause ]

528
00:25:34,283 --> 00:25:35,866
♪♪

529
00:25:35,985 --> 00:25:39,519
And scott has to do the count.

530
00:25:39,580 --> 00:25:40,929
If you look back at it,

531
00:25:40,957 --> 00:25:43,123
There's never a count
at the match

532
00:25:43,242 --> 00:25:45,576
Of, like, us
actually beating them,

533
00:25:45,694 --> 00:25:46,827
And that's -- I mean,

534
00:25:46,945 --> 00:25:49,605
Those little details
are priceless.

535
00:25:49,632 --> 00:25:51,090
-See those little hulksters

536
00:25:51,208 --> 00:25:53,259
With the tears rolling
down their face right now?

537
00:25:53,377 --> 00:25:57,396
-A career of a lifetime,
right down the drain, kid.

538
00:25:57,398 --> 00:26:01,592
-It was such an abrupt
change of energy.

539
00:26:01,710 --> 00:26:03,978
-Incredible. What a show.

540
00:26:04,096 --> 00:26:06,546
-Everyone is shocked, tony.

541
00:26:06,607 --> 00:26:09,382
Look at the ring.

542
00:26:09,402 --> 00:26:11,151
-The most incredible scene.

543
00:26:11,270 --> 00:26:14,871
Ladies -- we're --
I don't know where we're going.

544
00:26:14,873 --> 00:26:17,966
-He has --
he has slept with the devil.

545
00:26:17,994 --> 00:26:19,710
-I'm thinking, "oh, my gosh.

546
00:26:19,712 --> 00:26:22,137
I've just completely lost
this audience.

547
00:26:22,164 --> 00:26:26,125
This is the worst idea
in the history of ideas.

548
00:26:26,243 --> 00:26:28,201
I'm gonna burn in wrestling hell
for this."

549
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,461
-There you go. That's right.

550
00:26:29,580 --> 00:26:31,054
-I never thought I'd see people

551
00:26:31,056 --> 00:26:34,207
Throwing debris
and hulk at hulk hogan.

552
00:26:34,326 --> 00:26:36,594
-This was not
supposed to happen.

553
00:26:36,712 --> 00:26:38,137
[ chuckles ]

554
00:26:38,255 --> 00:26:41,348
Heard that before, right?
Not supposed to happen.

555
00:26:41,467 --> 00:26:44,250
-Mean gene, the first thing
you need to do

556
00:26:44,270 --> 00:26:46,470
Is to tell these people
to shut up

557
00:26:46,588 --> 00:26:48,989
If you want to hear
what I got to say.

558
00:26:48,991 --> 00:26:50,874
[ cheers and applause ]

559
00:26:50,876 --> 00:26:54,002
But when I was in the ring,
they were cutting the promo

560
00:26:54,030 --> 00:26:56,171
With scott and kevin,
me and gene,

561
00:26:56,198 --> 00:27:00,250
And they started
throwing the stuff.

562
00:27:00,252 --> 00:27:01,918
I felt the building rumbling.

563
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,821
I said, "oh, man,
we might have a riot in here."

564
00:27:04,940 --> 00:27:07,774
-I don't want to downplay
the fact that I'm really,

565
00:27:07,835 --> 00:27:13,021
Really, really relieved
because I was not 100% sure

566
00:27:13,049 --> 00:27:15,599
That hulk
was gonna follow through,

567
00:27:15,601 --> 00:27:17,934
But once he got to the building
and we talked,

568
00:27:17,936 --> 00:27:19,619
I knew, "okay, it's on."

569
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,439
I'm talking him through
his interview one last time.

570
00:27:22,441 --> 00:27:24,858
I'm saying, "hulk,
and when you're finally done

571
00:27:24,860 --> 00:27:26,668
And you said everything
you're gonna say,

572
00:27:26,729 --> 00:27:28,387
You grab that microphone
and you say,

573
00:27:28,505 --> 00:27:33,192
'and this is the new world order
of professional wrestling.'"

574
00:27:33,310 --> 00:27:39,439
-You can call this the new world
order of wrestling, brother.

575
00:27:39,558 --> 00:27:41,867
These two men right here...

576
00:27:41,985 --> 00:27:47,798
-As soon as I said it, I went,
"wow. That's cool.

577
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,966
Nwo, new world order."

578
00:27:49,968 --> 00:27:52,536
[ cheers and applause ]

579
00:27:52,654 --> 00:27:56,139
-I knew that if I turned into
a bad guy

580
00:27:56,141 --> 00:27:58,867
And I said the training,
the prayers and the vitamins

581
00:27:58,928 --> 00:28:01,111
And everything I did
for all you kids

582
00:28:01,113 --> 00:28:04,223
And the make-a-wish kids,
I did it for the money,

583
00:28:04,341 --> 00:28:07,467
You know, I knew it would
light the people up so much,

584
00:28:07,586 --> 00:28:10,637
It would reignite their interest
in their hulk hogan.

585
00:28:10,756 --> 00:28:13,657
I had no idea
with scott and kevin

586
00:28:13,659 --> 00:28:16,159
As two big lead horses with me

587
00:28:16,161 --> 00:28:18,320
How the whole business
would flip in an instant.

588
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:25,093
-Jimmy hart -- jimmy hart
threw something in the ring.

589
00:28:25,121 --> 00:28:27,796
Lex's got it.
He took big bubba out.

590
00:28:27,798 --> 00:28:31,174
And now...
-Oh! Here we go!

591
00:28:31,176 --> 00:28:35,679
-The outsiders in the ring,
and they are hammering away!

592
00:28:35,681 --> 00:28:38,774
-This was a sneak attack.
There's hogan!

593
00:28:38,801 --> 00:28:41,443
-There he is!
-There's hulk hogan.

594
00:28:41,470 --> 00:28:44,012
There's no yellow.
There's no red.

595
00:28:44,173 --> 00:28:46,114
He's wearing black.

596
00:28:46,142 --> 00:28:47,616
-Now, here we are.

597
00:28:47,643 --> 00:28:50,118
Hulk hogan has turned heel.

598
00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:52,788
We know who the third man is.

599
00:28:52,815 --> 00:28:58,961
We know they refer to themselves
as the new world order...

600
00:28:58,988 --> 00:29:00,720
And it was a beautiful thing.

601
00:29:00,781 --> 00:29:05,041
It was spontaneous combustion
of the best kind, right?

602
00:29:05,043 --> 00:29:06,969
Happened in the moment.

603
00:29:06,996 --> 00:29:09,379
Well, guess what didn't happen

604
00:29:09,381 --> 00:29:12,365
While all those great things
were happening in the moment?

605
00:29:12,484 --> 00:29:15,644
We had no plan.

606
00:29:15,671 --> 00:29:19,131
We got to come up with a logo.

607
00:29:19,249 --> 00:29:22,985
We got to come up
with merchandise.

608
00:29:23,012 --> 00:29:24,728
We've got to come up with a look

609
00:29:24,730 --> 00:29:27,731
And an identity
for this new faction.

610
00:29:27,733 --> 00:29:30,158
So we're scrambling.

611
00:29:30,186 --> 00:29:33,495
We went to the disney mgm
design team

612
00:29:33,522 --> 00:29:35,906
Because we were there
on location,

613
00:29:35,908 --> 00:29:39,242
And they came to me
with about 8 or 10

614
00:29:39,244 --> 00:29:42,004
Different ideas
for logos and graphics

615
00:29:42,031 --> 00:29:44,656
And color combinations
and things.

616
00:29:44,775 --> 00:29:50,078
And one of them was the nwo
kind of graffiti logo,

617
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,881
And I went, "that's the one."

618
00:29:52,883 --> 00:29:55,459
[ static ]

619
00:29:55,577 --> 00:29:56,985
-Alright. I'm good to go.

620
00:29:57,046 --> 00:29:59,095
-I don't mind
sharing the wealth...

621
00:29:59,097 --> 00:30:00,355
Pillaging...

622
00:30:00,382 --> 00:30:02,174
Well, I think
it did take a while

623
00:30:02,292 --> 00:30:04,893
For scott and kevin and I
to click.

624
00:30:05,053 --> 00:30:08,697
When we first started out...
None of us liked each other.

625
00:30:08,724 --> 00:30:11,441
Hulk hogan and the brotherhood,
the outsiders.

626
00:30:11,443 --> 00:30:13,960
Scott and kevin had real me in.

627
00:30:14,021 --> 00:30:16,146
-I wanted to tell you --
I wanted to ask you something.

628
00:30:16,265 --> 00:30:17,739
-Okay, guys.

629
00:30:17,741 --> 00:30:18,932
-He was doing the,

630
00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:20,675
"brother, brother.
Hey, brother."

631
00:30:20,736 --> 00:30:23,119
You know,
"let me tell you something."

632
00:30:23,121 --> 00:30:24,546
He was still doing that.

633
00:30:24,573 --> 00:30:27,958
We're like, "no, man.
We're not doing that."

634
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,426
-Ready? Go.

635
00:30:29,428 --> 00:30:34,389
We don't care how you
used to do it around here.

636
00:30:34,416 --> 00:30:37,617
We don't care
what you think works

637
00:30:37,736 --> 00:30:40,637
Because, chico,
look at your track record.

638
00:30:40,639 --> 00:30:42,965
It ain't been working.

639
00:30:43,125 --> 00:30:45,050
It's nwo.

640
00:30:45,168 --> 00:30:47,143
Learn to love it.

641
00:30:47,262 --> 00:30:48,570
-[ rapping ]
♪ yeah, I played the block ♪

642
00:30:48,597 --> 00:30:50,146
♪ like we played it loud ♪

643
00:30:50,148 --> 00:30:53,116
♪ go hard or go home,
that's the model ♪

644
00:30:53,118 --> 00:30:56,078
♪ and if the cops follow,
strap on my seatbelt ♪

645
00:30:56,105 --> 00:30:59,439
♪ open doors,
get the message like an e-mail ♪

646
00:30:59,558 --> 00:31:01,157
♪ you want the details? ♪

647
00:31:01,159 --> 00:31:03,085
♪ I can't ♪

648
00:31:03,112 --> 00:31:05,796
♪ 'til these clowns
match up like ♪

649
00:31:05,798 --> 00:31:08,072
♪ you ain't an og ♪

650
00:31:08,074 --> 00:31:09,624
♪ you don't know me ♪

651
00:31:09,626 --> 00:31:12,736
♪ yeah, you brought on
like moby ♪

652
00:31:12,854 --> 00:31:15,505
♪ thinking you better,
you give me his name ♪

653
00:31:15,507 --> 00:31:18,650
♪ you ain't got to be rihanna,
baby, to feel the ring ♪

654
00:31:18,669 --> 00:31:20,510
♪ got some homies in the hood ♪

655
00:31:20,512 --> 00:31:23,997
♪ they'll switch it ♪

656
00:31:24,115 --> 00:31:25,924
♪ call me the antidote ♪

657
00:31:26,043 --> 00:31:27,259
♪ I ain't that dude, no ♪

658
00:31:27,377 --> 00:31:29,185
♪ I ain't that dude, no ♪

659
00:31:29,187 --> 00:31:30,503
♪ I ain't that dude,
I ain't that dude ♪

660
00:31:30,622 --> 00:31:32,038
♪ I ain't that dude, no ♪

661
00:31:32,099 --> 00:31:33,523
♪ I ain't that dude, no ♪

662
00:31:33,525 --> 00:31:35,008
♪ I ain't that dude, no ♪

663
00:31:35,126 --> 00:31:36,593
♪ I ain't that dude,
I ain't that dude ♪

664
00:31:36,711 --> 00:31:39,162
♪ I ain't that dude, no ♪
-it's only business.

665
00:31:39,164 --> 00:31:41,698
-Here's a guy that's
a generation older

666
00:31:41,816 --> 00:31:43,792
Than these younger guys.

667
00:31:43,819 --> 00:31:46,219
I can feel the vibe, man.
I can tell.

668
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,297
It just took us a while to,
"okay, everybody's cool."

669
00:31:49,325 --> 00:31:51,116
-He just basically sat down
and goes,

670
00:31:51,234 --> 00:31:53,468
"where are you guys
getting this from?"

671
00:31:53,495 --> 00:31:55,045
Like the whole, "for life."

672
00:31:55,047 --> 00:31:57,789
That was one of mack 10's songs
during that time.

673
00:31:57,908 --> 00:32:00,775
They were robbing
a burger place,

674
00:32:00,777 --> 00:32:02,177
And one dude says,

675
00:32:02,179 --> 00:32:06,314
"man, I've been wanting
to do this for life."

676
00:32:06,342 --> 00:32:08,908
And we just -- nwo for life.

677
00:32:08,969 --> 00:32:12,395
Because it's nwo for life.

678
00:32:12,397 --> 00:32:14,189
[ laughter ]

679
00:32:14,191 --> 00:32:16,791
-Once they learned to trust me
and figured out

680
00:32:16,852 --> 00:32:20,553
How to mold me to fit in,
because those two guys did it,

681
00:32:20,672 --> 00:32:22,664
That that's where
those promos came from.

682
00:32:22,691 --> 00:32:24,833
-The following announcement
has been paid for

683
00:32:24,860 --> 00:32:26,076
By the new world order.

684
00:32:26,078 --> 00:32:27,836
-And there you see the outsiders
are here.

685
00:32:27,863 --> 00:32:30,005
-They're in
the control room now.

686
00:32:30,032 --> 00:32:33,842
-Hold on. What do we got here?
-What does that do? Oh!

687
00:32:33,869 --> 00:32:35,251
Fade to black.

688
00:32:35,253 --> 00:32:37,496
Oh! Shouldn't have bought
that cheap tv.

689
00:32:37,614 --> 00:32:39,255
[ both laugh ]

690
00:32:39,257 --> 00:32:42,575
-Wait, they are completely
hijacking this program!

691
00:32:42,694 --> 00:32:43,961
We need to get security...

692
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:48,340
-In storyline, the nwo's goal
was to take over.

693
00:32:48,458 --> 00:32:53,095
It ended up really happening
in practice...

694
00:32:53,255 --> 00:32:57,607
And what I mean by that is
the nwo kind of took over

695
00:32:57,609 --> 00:33:01,979
Wcw shows in the sense that
they were the featured acts.

696
00:33:02,097 --> 00:33:04,206
-I proudly present --

697
00:33:04,233 --> 00:33:08,043
Yo, here's the nwo!

698
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:11,287
-Ready or not, here we come!

699
00:33:11,289 --> 00:33:14,958
-One of the advantages that
I saw in doing live television

700
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,888
Is that you can take the viewer
into the arena

701
00:33:19,915 --> 00:33:23,649
And reveal things that
they'd never seen before.

702
00:33:23,711 --> 00:33:26,469
-These guys are disgusting.

703
00:33:26,471 --> 00:33:28,413
-And because they were seeing it
for the first time,

704
00:33:28,531 --> 00:33:29,697
"well, this must be real,

705
00:33:29,758 --> 00:33:31,399
Because I've never
seen this before."

706
00:33:31,401 --> 00:33:34,552
-Security trying to put
a stop to this here.

707
00:33:34,554 --> 00:33:35,870
Go to the back!

708
00:33:35,931 --> 00:33:39,199
-One of those that stands out
was at disney.

709
00:33:39,201 --> 00:33:40,733
It was in '96.

710
00:33:40,735 --> 00:33:43,319
We had this big scene
at the end of the show

711
00:33:43,321 --> 00:33:46,898
Where the nwo kind of
attacked everybody backstage.

712
00:33:47,017 --> 00:33:48,641
[ indistinct shouting ]

713
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,420
Kevin nash in particular
grabbed little rey mysterio,

714
00:33:52,448 --> 00:33:54,956
Picked him up,
and lawn-darted him.

715
00:33:54,958 --> 00:33:58,260
-Oh, no!
-Laid waste to everybody,

716
00:33:58,287 --> 00:34:01,654
Destroyed equipment --
chaotic scene.

717
00:34:01,773 --> 00:34:05,466
[ indistinct shouting ]

718
00:34:05,468 --> 00:34:08,587
-Serious injuries, maybe
career-ending injuries here.

719
00:34:08,705 --> 00:34:11,757
-All of a sudden,
we hear sirens.

720
00:34:11,875 --> 00:34:13,441
"what the hell?"

721
00:34:13,469 --> 00:34:15,277
Cops are showing up.

722
00:34:15,304 --> 00:34:17,020
Fire trucks are showing up.

723
00:34:17,022 --> 00:34:19,022
Couple of ambulances showed up.

724
00:34:19,024 --> 00:34:23,042
It's like, "what? Somebody got
hurt really bad here."

725
00:34:23,103 --> 00:34:25,287
And evidently,
some of the people

726
00:34:25,314 --> 00:34:27,197
In the local area around disney,

727
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:29,782
Mgm studios,
saw what was going on live

728
00:34:29,784 --> 00:34:32,903
And decided
they needed to call 911.

729
00:34:33,021 --> 00:34:36,372
♪♪

730
00:34:36,374 --> 00:34:37,723
And that's another moment
where you go,

731
00:34:37,785 --> 00:34:40,802
"oh, yeah, this is working.

732
00:34:40,829 --> 00:34:43,379
They're buying it."

733
00:34:43,381 --> 00:34:46,541
♪♪

734
00:34:55,393 --> 00:34:57,034
-Hi, I'm sean waltman.

735
00:34:57,054 --> 00:35:00,488
In the original nwo,
I was called syxx and syxx-pac.

736
00:35:00,516 --> 00:35:02,390
-The man you're looking at
right now,

737
00:35:02,392 --> 00:35:06,328
He was formerly the 1-2-3 kid
when he was with the wwf.

738
00:35:06,355 --> 00:35:08,571
Now, we do know he was released
from that organization,

739
00:35:08,573 --> 00:35:09,906
No longer with them,

740
00:35:09,908 --> 00:35:12,334
But what in the world
is he doing here?

741
00:35:12,361 --> 00:35:16,746
-Vince basically told me,
"look, we'd like you to stay,

742
00:35:16,748 --> 00:35:19,566
But if you stay, you're gonna
have to start from scratch."

743
00:35:19,684 --> 00:35:21,100
This was his exact words.

744
00:35:21,161 --> 00:35:23,511
He said, "or if you can get
a better deal

745
00:35:23,539 --> 00:35:25,104
For you and your family

746
00:35:25,165 --> 00:35:27,499
And you want to go work
for that billionaire [bleep]

747
00:35:27,617 --> 00:35:29,684
I'll give you a week
to think about it. Let me know."

748
00:35:29,711 --> 00:35:32,111
I heard nitro is
the hottest show going today.

749
00:35:32,172 --> 00:35:35,023
I thought I'd come check it out,
you know what I mean?

750
00:35:35,050 --> 00:35:37,192
-Yeah, well, you're here.
-It was a hard decision,

751
00:35:37,219 --> 00:35:40,395
But I knew
it was the one I had to make.

752
00:35:40,397 --> 00:35:41,805
I wanted to be a part of it

753
00:35:41,923 --> 00:35:44,165
Because it was automatically
being a part

754
00:35:44,226 --> 00:35:47,343
Of the top storyline
in the business.

755
00:35:47,462 --> 00:35:50,505
Nwo was the catalyst
that started the biggest

756
00:35:50,507 --> 00:35:53,875
Boom period
of pro-wrestling history.

757
00:35:53,902 --> 00:35:55,843
It was the coolest thing
on television.

758
00:35:55,904 --> 00:35:59,156
The nwo, to me,
was like a big street gang,

759
00:35:59,274 --> 00:36:02,625
Just trying to take over,
and by any means possible.

760
00:36:02,627 --> 00:36:05,519
[ cheers and applause ]

761
00:36:05,581 --> 00:36:07,204
I mean, I remember one time,

762
00:36:07,206 --> 00:36:09,541
We -- they only showed it
on television once

763
00:36:09,659 --> 00:36:13,228
Because apparently,
it was a bit too -- too much.

764
00:36:13,255 --> 00:36:15,972
You know, we ran the
steiner brothers off the road

765
00:36:15,974 --> 00:36:17,974
And crashed their car.

766
00:36:17,976 --> 00:36:19,434
-Check both w--

767
00:36:19,436 --> 00:36:21,778
Proceed when clear.

768
00:36:21,780 --> 00:36:25,407
-Let's see what they're about.

769
00:36:25,434 --> 00:36:28,651
-I was holding the camera,
filming everything,

770
00:36:28,653 --> 00:36:30,078
And we kept bumping --

771
00:36:30,105 --> 00:36:32,305
Like, kev was driving,
and he kept bumping them.

772
00:36:32,423 --> 00:36:34,523
Get them again! Get them!

773
00:36:34,525 --> 00:36:37,727
[ both laugh ]

774
00:36:37,845 --> 00:36:41,907
♪♪

775
00:36:42,025 --> 00:36:43,408
[ tires screech ]

776
00:36:43,526 --> 00:36:45,017
Oh!

777
00:36:45,078 --> 00:36:47,721
Oh, man.

778
00:36:47,723 --> 00:36:50,990
Oh, my goodness.

779
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:53,234
You just never knew
what was gonna happen.

780
00:36:53,395 --> 00:36:57,213
We ran through everyone
for what seemed like forever,

781
00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:59,274
To the point where all the,
like, the wcw guys were like,

782
00:36:59,301 --> 00:37:01,184
"what the [bleep] going on?"

783
00:37:01,186 --> 00:37:04,612
Like, like, it was too much
for a lot of people.

784
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,523
-Wearing black
instead of his customary

785
00:37:07,525 --> 00:37:14,864
And traditional yellow and red,
presenting the wcw

786
00:37:14,866 --> 00:37:24,257
Heavyweight champion
of the world...Giant!

787
00:37:24,284 --> 00:37:30,096
-Putting the world title
on hulk hogan versus the giant

788
00:37:30,098 --> 00:37:32,474
Was a super easy decision.

789
00:37:32,501 --> 00:37:35,310
[ cheers and applause ]

790
00:37:35,337 --> 00:37:37,387
-Hello!

791
00:37:37,505 --> 00:37:44,319
-There was just this extra
"'f' you" to having hulk hogan,

792
00:37:44,346 --> 00:37:50,233
Who betrayed millions of people
around the world, betrayed wcw,

793
00:37:50,235 --> 00:37:54,829
And now hulk hogan
has wcw's greatest prize.

794
00:37:54,856 --> 00:37:57,323
-Hogan's got the --
he's got the --

795
00:37:57,325 --> 00:37:58,741
-He laid him out!

796
00:37:58,743 --> 00:38:01,577
-He laid him out!
-I can't believe this!

797
00:38:01,579 --> 00:38:03,062
-One, two -- no!

798
00:38:03,181 --> 00:38:04,705
[ bell dinging ]

799
00:38:04,707 --> 00:38:07,509
-A new champion! A new champion!

800
00:38:07,536 --> 00:38:09,736
-What do they --

801
00:38:09,854 --> 00:38:11,845
Oh, that's spray paint.

802
00:38:11,847 --> 00:38:13,790
Oh, my god,
they're gonna spray paint --

803
00:38:13,908 --> 00:38:16,184
-I cannot believe this.
This is unbelievable.

804
00:38:16,211 --> 00:38:18,928
-Somebody --
somebody need to go there --

805
00:38:18,930 --> 00:38:20,663
-They are --
[ cheers and applause ]

806
00:38:20,782 --> 00:38:23,708
-There it is, brother!

807
00:38:23,826 --> 00:38:25,951
The nwo!

808
00:38:25,971 --> 00:38:32,867
The nwo is the only way to go,
and what you gonna do?

809
00:38:32,894 --> 00:38:34,944
Thank you, brothers.

810
00:38:34,946 --> 00:38:37,539
-No longer was this just a group

811
00:38:37,566 --> 00:38:39,207
Causing disruption
behind the scenes.

812
00:38:39,234 --> 00:38:40,966
This is a group whose leader,

813
00:38:41,028 --> 00:38:43,545
Hulk hogan,
is now the wcw champion,

814
00:38:43,572 --> 00:38:44,946
And it took things
to a whole different level.

815
00:38:49,703 --> 00:38:52,495
[ cheers and applause ]

816
00:38:55,158 --> 00:38:56,683
-When hollywood hogan

817
00:38:56,685 --> 00:39:00,787
Won the wcw title
from the giant at hog wild,

818
00:39:00,947 --> 00:39:02,914
If that was not an indication
that this storyline

819
00:39:03,032 --> 00:39:05,583
Was here to stay
for a long period of time,

820
00:39:05,701 --> 00:39:06,885
That was it.

821
00:39:07,003 --> 00:39:08,386
You know,
you're putting the title --

822
00:39:08,505 --> 00:39:10,463
The number-one
most important thing,

823
00:39:10,465 --> 00:39:11,890
Really, in the company,

824
00:39:12,008 --> 00:39:13,575
In the promotion,
is the world title --

825
00:39:13,602 --> 00:39:15,393
You're putting it
on a guy from the nwo.

826
00:39:15,512 --> 00:39:17,228
-Well, I can see
that the dungeon of doom

827
00:39:17,347 --> 00:39:19,472
And the four horseman
are now together,

828
00:39:19,590 --> 00:39:21,232
Representing
world championship --

829
00:39:21,351 --> 00:39:23,068
-Here comes the giant!

830
00:39:23,186 --> 00:39:25,328
Look out, nwo!

831
00:39:25,330 --> 00:39:27,422
-Thank god for the giant.

832
00:39:27,449 --> 00:39:29,407
-Never thought we would hear it.

833
00:39:29,526 --> 00:39:33,244
The giant is gonna have
their lunch.

834
00:39:33,363 --> 00:39:36,081
The giant is in the building.

835
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:39,859
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!

836
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,252
[ cheers and applause ]

837
00:39:41,371 --> 00:39:43,062
The giant!

838
00:39:43,181 --> 00:39:44,555
[ cheers and applause ]

839
00:39:44,557 --> 00:39:47,333
The giant!

840
00:39:47,452 --> 00:39:49,094
No!

841
00:39:49,212 --> 00:39:52,405
-If someone who represents wcw
could join the nwo,

842
00:39:52,407 --> 00:39:55,174
Then who<i> couldn't</i> join the nwo?

843
00:39:55,293 --> 00:39:58,469
-Whether you like it
or you don't,

844
00:39:58,588 --> 00:40:02,107
It's the best thing going today.

845
00:40:02,225 --> 00:40:05,418
-It showed the unpredictability
of who could join the nwo,

846
00:40:05,420 --> 00:40:08,947
Who could become a part of it,
and that -- that deeper feeling

847
00:40:09,065 --> 00:40:10,448
That was going on
in the storyline

848
00:40:10,567 --> 00:40:12,951
Of you just didn't know
who was gonna join next.

849
00:40:13,069 --> 00:40:15,803
There was almost a paranoia
with fans about,

850
00:40:15,831 --> 00:40:17,639
"well, if this guy is in
the nwo,

851
00:40:17,666 --> 00:40:19,031
Then anyone could be."

852
00:40:19,150 --> 00:40:21,292
-You know what?
Maybe it's time to dig in.

853
00:40:21,411 --> 00:40:23,811
Maybe now, we start to fight.

854
00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:27,982
As the on-camera talent,
I was doing everything I could

855
00:40:28,009 --> 00:40:30,135
To stop
this nwo thing from happening.

856
00:40:30,253 --> 00:40:32,654
It's got to stop.
It is going to stop.

857
00:40:32,814 --> 00:40:34,246
It's going to stop now

858
00:40:34,266 --> 00:40:35,974
Because this company
is not going to tolerate it --

859
00:40:36,092 --> 00:40:38,417
Not at the corporate level,
not at the level here that...

860
00:40:38,478 --> 00:40:40,828
-In order for this to grow

861
00:40:40,856 --> 00:40:44,899
And to continue to grow,
we need, like, less parameters.

862
00:40:45,059 --> 00:40:46,550
-Tell me something --

863
00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:48,153
You piece of [bleep]

864
00:40:48,271 --> 00:40:50,989
You are a --
[ cheers and applause ]

865
00:40:51,107 --> 00:40:57,495
-The idea is suggested
that I become...

866
00:40:57,614 --> 00:41:01,166
The secret weapon of the nwo.

867
00:41:01,284 --> 00:41:05,003
Now, on face value,
well, that makes no sense,

868
00:41:05,121 --> 00:41:09,240
But if you think about it,
who better?

869
00:41:09,259 --> 00:41:11,584
Who better to defect?

870
00:41:11,702 --> 00:41:13,695
[ cheers and applause ]

871
00:41:13,722 --> 00:41:19,684
-Now...
Now that everybody realizes...

872
00:41:19,802 --> 00:41:23,354
Who everybody's working for...

873
00:41:23,473 --> 00:41:32,230
I mean, my god, this guy here
was the foundation of the wcw.

874
00:41:32,348 --> 00:41:36,034
Now he works for the nwo.

875
00:41:36,152 --> 00:41:38,553
-So in the beginning,
it seemed like --

876
00:41:38,580 --> 00:41:43,282
Like eric was, like,
the turner exec, head of wcw

877
00:41:43,401 --> 00:41:45,710
Trying to fend off the nwo.

878
00:41:45,828 --> 00:41:48,187
Eric was like palpatine.

879
00:41:48,189 --> 00:41:53,384
-Only through me can you achieve
a power greater than any jedi.

880
00:41:53,503 --> 00:41:55,220
-Thought he was, like,
the leader of the senate,

881
00:41:55,338 --> 00:41:58,223
Ended up being the sith lord.

882
00:41:58,341 --> 00:42:00,908
-You're the sith lord.

883
00:42:01,069 --> 00:42:03,877
-Eric bischoff is revealed

884
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:08,215
As the the mastermind
behind the nwo.

885
00:42:08,276 --> 00:42:10,268
♪♪

886
00:42:10,386 --> 00:42:14,471
It was a brilliant stroke
because the nwo was doing

887
00:42:14,491 --> 00:42:16,257
All these, you know,
crazy things that, you know,

888
00:42:16,284 --> 00:42:17,408
They're creating
chaos backstage,

889
00:42:17,527 --> 00:42:19,077
And in the ring,

890
00:42:19,195 --> 00:42:20,820
They're bringing baseball bats,
they're attacking people.

891
00:42:20,938 --> 00:42:22,930
How are they getting away
with all this stuff?

892
00:42:22,958 --> 00:42:25,083
Oh, that's why they're getting
away with all this stuff.

893
00:42:25,201 --> 00:42:29,328
Eric bischoff, who is literally
the executive producer of wcw,

894
00:42:29,447 --> 00:42:31,589
Has turned
and he's part of the nwo,

895
00:42:31,708 --> 00:42:35,167
And he's allowing them to
get away with all these things.

896
00:42:35,286 --> 00:42:37,887
-And as much fun as it was,
and it was very effective

897
00:42:38,006 --> 00:42:41,099
From the very beginning
because it was believable,

898
00:42:41,217 --> 00:42:45,436
I didn't think about
how it was going to impact

899
00:42:45,555 --> 00:42:47,272
My day-to-day work.

900
00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:50,023
Hello, everybody, and welcome.

901
00:42:50,025 --> 00:42:54,821
Nwo Monday nitro is on the air.

902
00:42:54,939 --> 00:42:56,647
I'm eric bischoff.

903
00:42:56,766 --> 00:42:58,557
Now all of a sudden,

904
00:42:58,577 --> 00:43:01,119
Without me realizing it
or paying attention to it,

905
00:43:01,237 --> 00:43:04,972
A lot of people in turner
broadcasting are watching nitro

906
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,882
Because it's the number-one show
on cable.

907
00:43:06,884 --> 00:43:09,294
We're kind of a big deal
within turner broadcasting,

908
00:43:09,412 --> 00:43:11,629
But I didn't realize it.
I didn't think about it...

909
00:43:11,748 --> 00:43:14,299
We have some business
we have to attend to here.

910
00:43:14,417 --> 00:43:17,209
For those of you that
weren't able to join us

911
00:43:17,328 --> 00:43:21,547
On pay-per-view last night,
major, major injustice.

912
00:43:21,666 --> 00:43:26,902
...Until on an episode of nitro
in a scene,

913
00:43:26,904 --> 00:43:28,479
I fire a referee

914
00:43:28,598 --> 00:43:31,149
For making a decision
that I didn't approve of.

915
00:43:31,267 --> 00:43:34,076
But under the circumstances,
I have -- there is --

916
00:43:34,078 --> 00:43:35,761
I have no other choice.

917
00:43:35,822 --> 00:43:37,655
You are hereby terminated.

918
00:43:37,774 --> 00:43:39,991
[ laughter ]
you're fired.

919
00:43:40,109 --> 00:43:41,767
-My wife and children
are watching.

920
00:43:41,828 --> 00:43:43,828
-I don't want to hear about
your family problems.

921
00:43:43,946 --> 00:43:46,238
I'm telling you, you're fired.

922
00:43:46,357 --> 00:43:48,015
His name was randy anderson.

923
00:43:48,043 --> 00:43:49,517
He went by pee wee.

924
00:43:49,544 --> 00:43:51,777
Everybody loved
pee wee anderson --

925
00:43:51,796 --> 00:43:55,473
Everybody that he worked with,
the audience loved him.

926
00:43:55,475 --> 00:43:57,917
In real life, randy had cancer,

927
00:43:58,035 --> 00:44:00,586
And somebody came up
with the idea --

928
00:44:00,705 --> 00:44:07,352
It was probably me --
where I fire randy,

929
00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:10,037
And then a couple
of weeks later,

930
00:44:10,065 --> 00:44:11,689
He comes back to the ring.

931
00:44:11,808 --> 00:44:14,800
Presumably now, I've had time
to think about it,

932
00:44:14,961 --> 00:44:16,819
Because randy has cancer.

933
00:44:16,938 --> 00:44:19,197
What -- what are
your kids' names?

934
00:44:19,315 --> 00:44:21,215
Names -- what are their names?

935
00:44:21,242 --> 00:44:23,275
This is on live television.

936
00:44:23,394 --> 00:44:27,205
I'll tell you what --
kids, come on up here.

937
00:44:27,323 --> 00:44:29,115
It's alright, randy.

938
00:44:29,233 --> 00:44:30,816
-They're children.

939
00:44:30,877 --> 00:44:32,710
-It's alright.

940
00:44:32,829 --> 00:44:37,156
Kids, would you do me a favor?

941
00:44:37,175 --> 00:44:39,884
And I look down
at his little son,

942
00:44:40,002 --> 00:44:42,361
And I said, "tell your daddy..."

943
00:44:42,363 --> 00:44:44,572
Tell your daddy he's fired.

944
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:46,465
Get on with his life.

945
00:44:46,584 --> 00:44:48,393
-Do it for little tiny tim.

946
00:44:48,511 --> 00:44:49,911
God bless us, everyone.

947
00:44:49,938 --> 00:44:51,229
-Is there anything...

948
00:44:51,347 --> 00:44:53,064
-'course, the kids are crushed.

949
00:44:53,182 --> 00:44:55,875
Randy looks like he's gonna
break down and cry.

950
00:44:55,877 --> 00:44:57,877
His wife doesn't know
what to do,

951
00:44:57,879 --> 00:45:00,087
And he turns around
and he walks off

952
00:45:00,115 --> 00:45:03,574
As the crowd is wanting
to just fillet me like a fish

953
00:45:03,693 --> 00:45:06,518
Because they were so angry
for what I just did.

954
00:45:06,579 --> 00:45:09,414
Tell you story walking.

955
00:45:09,532 --> 00:45:12,417
[ indistinct shouting ]

956
00:45:12,535 --> 00:45:16,720
-The next day, I come to work,
get in my office,

957
00:45:16,722 --> 00:45:18,464
And there's a note on my desk
from my assistant,

958
00:45:18,583 --> 00:45:20,975
Says, "dr. Schiller," who was
my boss, harvey schiller,

959
00:45:20,977 --> 00:45:23,428
"wants to speak to you
immediately."

960
00:45:23,546 --> 00:45:25,871
Well,<i> that</i> never happens.

961
00:45:25,932 --> 00:45:27,765
♪♪

962
00:45:27,884 --> 00:45:31,619
So evidently, what had happened
is so many people

963
00:45:31,646 --> 00:45:34,838
In rome, georgia,
where randy was from,

964
00:45:34,958 --> 00:45:37,716
Were watching that show,
got so angry,

965
00:45:37,777 --> 00:45:42,129
Reached out to human resources
at turner broadcasting

966
00:45:42,157 --> 00:45:46,892
To complain about the fact
that I fired randy anderson,

967
00:45:46,953 --> 00:45:48,694
Who's undergoing
cancer treatment,

968
00:45:48,813 --> 00:45:52,364
In front of his children
and wife on national television

969
00:45:52,483 --> 00:45:56,035
And I was disgrace
to the community.

970
00:45:56,153 --> 00:45:58,963
Human resources immediately
calls harvey schiller

971
00:45:59,081 --> 00:46:01,466
And is like,
"what's this maniac up to?!

972
00:46:01,584 --> 00:46:03,468
You can't have an executive
firing people

973
00:46:03,586 --> 00:46:05,470
On national television!

974
00:46:05,588 --> 00:46:08,397
We're gonna get sued!"

975
00:46:08,399 --> 00:46:10,475
But the executives
that were watching it

976
00:46:10,593 --> 00:46:12,477
Didn't realize it was wrestling.

977
00:46:12,595 --> 00:46:14,479
That's how real our stuff was,

978
00:46:14,597 --> 00:46:18,349
And that line between
live or memorex,

979
00:46:18,467 --> 00:46:20,651
As they used to say,
is it real, is it not real?

980
00:46:20,770 --> 00:46:25,172
It's that sweet spot,
that -- it's a gray area.

981
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,659
Created enough of that confusion
in a good way

982
00:46:28,778 --> 00:46:32,246
To make people believe that what
they were watching was real.

983
00:46:37,319 --> 00:46:38,628
-The biggest icon in wrestling.

984
00:46:38,746 --> 00:46:42,097
[ cheers and applause ]

985
00:46:42,099 --> 00:46:44,483
-Over a very brief
period of time now,

986
00:46:44,485 --> 00:46:49,997
The entire
traditional paradigm...

987
00:46:50,058 --> 00:46:53,525
Of wrestling storytelling
and characters

988
00:46:53,527 --> 00:46:55,778
Had been turned upside down.

989
00:46:55,780 --> 00:47:02,268
♪♪

990
00:47:02,386 --> 00:47:05,713
Bad guys are doing
cool things...

991
00:47:05,740 --> 00:47:08,908
And...Getting cheered.

992
00:47:10,987 --> 00:47:12,870
Whoa.

993
00:47:12,989 --> 00:47:15,297
[ cheers and applause ]

994
00:47:15,299 --> 00:47:17,683
Cool if you're a bad guy
doing cool things,

995
00:47:17,685 --> 00:47:21,320
Getting cheered,
not so cool if you're a guy

996
00:47:21,381 --> 00:47:23,731
Who makes his living
being a good guy

997
00:47:23,758 --> 00:47:26,491
And now you've got to get
that audience behind you.

998
00:47:26,553 --> 00:47:31,405
-Let's just stick with good, old
family entertainment wrestling.

999
00:47:31,432 --> 00:47:36,276
I could feel a shift
happening in our business.

1000
00:47:36,278 --> 00:47:39,705
I relate to the people,
or at least I try to.

1001
00:47:39,732 --> 00:47:41,724
You know, there are
a lot of great wrestlers

1002
00:47:41,842 --> 00:47:44,085
That just have a style of -- of

1003
00:47:44,112 --> 00:47:47,496
Walking into the ring
and -- and tunnel vision,

1004
00:47:47,498 --> 00:47:50,591
Thinking about their opponent
and -- and nothing else.

1005
00:47:50,618 --> 00:47:52,760
You know, black tights,
black boots.

1006
00:47:52,787 --> 00:47:55,580
"let's get down to business"
kind of wrestlers, you know.

1007
00:47:55,698 --> 00:48:00,525
And me, I like to throw a little
bit of color into it, obviously.

1008
00:48:00,587 --> 00:48:04,255
So I'm somebody that everybody
can relate to, hopefully.

1009
00:48:04,373 --> 00:48:06,774
They wanted to see
something else

1010
00:48:06,801 --> 00:48:10,428
A little bit more cutting edge,
a little bit more hardcore.

1011
00:48:10,546 --> 00:48:15,508
[ cheers and applause ]

1012
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:16,984
Right around that time,

1013
00:48:16,986 --> 00:48:19,787
I knew that my character
was gonna have to change.

1014
00:48:19,814 --> 00:48:24,867
I will walk into this either
a loser...Or a giant killer.

1015
00:48:24,869 --> 00:48:26,627
They didn't want "woo" anymore.

1016
00:48:26,654 --> 00:48:28,120
I mean, that was
right around the corner.

1017
00:48:28,122 --> 00:48:29,721
I could just feel it coming.

1018
00:48:29,882 --> 00:48:33,042
...Feel like a giant killer!

1019
00:48:33,044 --> 00:48:34,601
I knew I had to change,

1020
00:48:34,762 --> 00:48:38,639
And I set out
to try to figure out something,

1021
00:48:38,666 --> 00:48:41,475
Some kind of way
to change my character

1022
00:48:41,502 --> 00:48:44,178
And be a little bit more
cutting edge.

1023
00:48:44,180 --> 00:48:46,780
How you doing?
-How you doing, sting?

1024
00:48:46,841 --> 00:48:50,801
[ chatter ]

1025
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:56,490
[ cheers and applause ]

1026
00:48:56,517 --> 00:48:58,125
There's nobody around.

1027
00:48:58,286 --> 00:49:03,922
-Well, the problem was nwo
in the mid-'90s was so cool --

1028
00:49:03,983 --> 00:49:06,925
The baby faces, you know,
that still painted their faces

1029
00:49:06,986 --> 00:49:09,661
Or the bright red
and yellow colors like I did

1030
00:49:09,663 --> 00:49:11,930
Or the neon colors
and -- and stuff.

1031
00:49:11,991 --> 00:49:13,340
That was kind of like, "eh."

1032
00:49:13,368 --> 00:49:15,534
-Alright, we'll you see there.

1033
00:49:15,653 --> 00:49:20,063
♪♪

1034
00:49:20,083 --> 00:49:23,775
-This particular story
had way too much edge on it

1035
00:49:23,836 --> 00:49:27,521
To try to go back to any kind of
a candy-coated, kiddy,

1036
00:49:27,548 --> 00:49:30,758
Teen, pre-teen,
hero solution to it.

1037
00:49:30,918 --> 00:49:32,835
The formula wasn't
gonna work anymore.

1038
00:49:32,953 --> 00:49:35,696
The audience was way past
that formula.

1039
00:49:35,723 --> 00:49:38,107
We needed a hero with an edge,

1040
00:49:38,109 --> 00:49:40,426
With as much of an edge
as the nwo had,

1041
00:49:40,544 --> 00:49:43,370
But it had to be somebody
with credibility.

1042
00:49:43,398 --> 00:49:45,189
If you want that hero

1043
00:49:45,307 --> 00:49:48,709
To be a hero
that's going to register

1044
00:49:48,736 --> 00:49:50,769
In every way,
including financially,

1045
00:49:50,888 --> 00:49:53,455
It's got to be somebody that the
audience already believes in.

1046
00:49:53,457 --> 00:49:55,882
♪♪

1047
00:49:55,884 --> 00:49:57,952
-The nwo really needed a foil,

1048
00:49:58,112 --> 00:50:01,455
So what wcw did
was they took sting

1049
00:50:01,615 --> 00:50:04,133
And they made him an anti-hero.

1050
00:50:04,135 --> 00:50:08,395
-I remember having a
conversation with eric bischoff,

1051
00:50:08,423 --> 00:50:09,797
And I think kevin
might have been there.

1052
00:50:09,957 --> 00:50:11,823
I know scott was there,
scott hall.

1053
00:50:11,884 --> 00:50:13,067
You know,
I'm slicking my hair back,

1054
00:50:13,227 --> 00:50:14,360
Getting ready to go to the ring,

1055
00:50:14,362 --> 00:50:15,644
And he's in the mirror
next to me

1056
00:50:15,646 --> 00:50:17,905
And he's putting
his face paint on.

1057
00:50:17,932 --> 00:50:20,224
At that point in his career,
he wore his hair really short

1058
00:50:20,342 --> 00:50:23,152
And fried blond, like,
just white blond, you know?

1059
00:50:23,154 --> 00:50:24,411
And he started --
he was growing it out.

1060
00:50:24,439 --> 00:50:25,579
It was kind of brown.

1061
00:50:25,606 --> 00:50:27,005
I remember thinking,

1062
00:50:27,066 --> 00:50:28,232
"well, you're letting
your hair grow out?"

1063
00:50:28,350 --> 00:50:30,159
He goes, "yeah."

1064
00:50:30,161 --> 00:50:32,478
I said, "you still gonna wear,
like, the happy-guy tights?"

1065
00:50:32,596 --> 00:50:33,904
He was wearing, like, these
neon tights and all that stuff.

1066
00:50:34,023 --> 00:50:35,814
He goes, "yeah."

1067
00:50:35,933 --> 00:50:38,683
-"why don't you paint your face
white or something, you know?

1068
00:50:38,745 --> 00:50:40,819
Wear a trench coat or something
like that, you know?"

1069
00:50:40,938 --> 00:50:43,430
And, "eh."
-and I don't know him.

1070
00:50:43,458 --> 00:50:45,491
I have nothing to gain
by saying this,

1071
00:50:45,609 --> 00:50:47,084
But that's the way
I like to do business.

1072
00:50:47,203 --> 00:50:50,337
If I think it's good
for our company,

1073
00:50:50,498 --> 00:50:52,973
Whether I like you
as a person or not

1074
00:50:52,975 --> 00:50:56,351
And you're part of the team,
"here's what I think, bro."

1075
00:50:56,353 --> 00:50:58,779
And I said,
"you ever see 'the crow'?"

1076
00:50:58,806 --> 00:51:00,281
-The crow could bring
that soul back

1077
00:51:00,308 --> 00:51:02,415
To put the wrong things right.

1078
00:51:02,477 --> 00:51:04,176
-And scott's describing

1079
00:51:04,336 --> 00:51:08,530
All these different scenes
where the crow would pop up.

1080
00:51:08,532 --> 00:51:11,016
And by the time he got done,
I'm looking at sting,

1081
00:51:11,176 --> 00:51:13,202
And sting's eyes
were like this big.

1082
00:51:13,204 --> 00:51:16,297
Just like, "give me more."

1083
00:51:16,324 --> 00:51:20,926
-Think it's time
you break on through...

1084
00:51:20,953 --> 00:51:22,369
To the other side.

1085
00:51:22,530 --> 00:51:24,038
[ thunder rumbles ]

1086
00:51:24,198 --> 00:51:27,674
-Somewhere here in the arena,
there is sting.

1087
00:51:27,676 --> 00:51:29,676
-Oh, he's actually
haunting the place.

1088
00:51:29,678 --> 00:51:31,537
Look at the man. He has no soul.

1089
00:51:31,655 --> 00:51:35,224
-The sting character
was so mysterious at that time.

1090
00:51:35,226 --> 00:51:38,502
Started out up in the rafters,
the spotlight here and there,

1091
00:51:38,620 --> 00:51:39,895
Smoke and mirrors.

1092
00:51:39,897 --> 00:51:41,889
-The dark side of sting.
It is very scary.

1093
00:51:42,049 --> 00:51:44,082
-They brought the devil
out of him.

1094
00:51:44,084 --> 00:51:46,960
-This character seems to be
gaining a lot of momentum.

1095
00:51:47,021 --> 00:51:49,129
People are really buying
into the fact

1096
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:51,965
That blond flattop hair
was going away

1097
00:51:52,026 --> 00:51:53,692
And, you know, all of a sudden,
the hair was dark

1098
00:51:53,811 --> 00:51:56,337
And it was growing longer.

1099
00:51:56,364 --> 00:51:58,656
Don't open your mouth
and become sting again.

1100
00:51:58,774 --> 00:51:59,931
Less is more.

1101
00:51:59,992 --> 00:52:01,342
That's one of
the biggest lessons

1102
00:52:01,369 --> 00:52:03,344
That I learned
at that particular time.

1103
00:52:03,371 --> 00:52:05,679
-He didn't speak for,
I don't know,

1104
00:52:05,706 --> 00:52:07,681
9 months, 10 months.

1105
00:52:07,708 --> 00:52:12,244
He became...
Like the cool antihero.

1106
00:52:12,362 --> 00:52:16,489
There was no more heroes.
Just didn't exist.

1107
00:52:16,651 --> 00:52:19,751
-Sting kind of, like,
gave us momentum

1108
00:52:19,870 --> 00:52:21,362
Because anybody
that helped sting

1109
00:52:21,389 --> 00:52:23,955
Or anybody that sting helped
or stood by sting,

1110
00:52:24,016 --> 00:52:25,957
They gave him
instant credibility

1111
00:52:26,018 --> 00:52:28,277
And made him
a formidable foe for us.

1112
00:52:28,279 --> 00:52:32,373
-The long, slow point right at
hollywood hulk hogan.

1113
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,775
-For years,
all I ever heard about,

1114
00:52:34,935 --> 00:52:37,111
"vince mcmahon
knows a year in advance

1115
00:52:37,271 --> 00:52:38,604
What he's going to do."

1116
00:52:38,764 --> 00:52:41,382
Hell, I was lucky
to get through week to week.

1117
00:52:41,409 --> 00:52:43,384
All I constantly,
constantly hearing it,

1118
00:52:43,411 --> 00:52:46,553
So I thought,
"okay, here's my shot.

1119
00:52:46,581 --> 00:52:47,888
Sting-hogan.

1120
00:52:47,915 --> 00:52:50,057
I want
the longest build in history."

1121
00:52:50,084 --> 00:52:52,542
-Wcw is back.

1122
00:52:52,544 --> 00:52:54,861
There has never been
a better time...

1123
00:52:54,922 --> 00:52:58,415
-And that really, I think,
started the american people's

1124
00:52:58,533 --> 00:53:00,992
Obsession or infatuation
with the anti-hero,

1125
00:53:01,053 --> 00:53:03,295
With the bad guy
as the protagonist.

1126
00:53:03,413 --> 00:53:05,631
Well, that's what we want.

1127
00:53:05,749 --> 00:53:07,332
♪♪

1128
00:53:07,393 --> 00:53:09,743
-It was obvious so early on

1129
00:53:09,770 --> 00:53:12,487
That we had crossed over
into mainstream

1130
00:53:12,489 --> 00:53:16,099
In a way that
I have never experienced.

1131
00:53:16,218 --> 00:53:18,051
-It became so much bigger
than wrestling.

1132
00:53:18,112 --> 00:53:19,978
-Please welcome
our buddy hulk hogan.

1133
00:53:19,980 --> 00:53:23,407
-What is the sponsor? Nwo.

1134
00:53:23,525 --> 00:53:25,459
-For the nwo in the '90s,

1135
00:53:25,461 --> 00:53:28,554
It was a time
of the anti-establishment,

1136
00:53:28,581 --> 00:53:32,658
And the nwo was a story
that took that to another level.

1137
00:53:32,776 --> 00:53:35,602
-Hey, your busting my leg!

1138
00:53:35,630 --> 00:53:38,997
-The hottest thing
in pop culture at that time

1139
00:53:39,116 --> 00:53:40,532
Was death row.

1140
00:53:40,593 --> 00:53:43,685
That's why I would tie
my bandana backwards,

1141
00:53:43,687 --> 00:53:45,279
Like tupac.

1142
00:53:45,306 --> 00:53:47,706
Like, we'll be the cool guys.

1143
00:53:47,767 --> 00:53:50,075
-Bud light, baby, bud light!

1144
00:53:50,102 --> 00:53:51,618
Whoo!

1145
00:53:51,646 --> 00:53:53,579
-Dennis rodman joined the nwo.

1146
00:53:53,606 --> 00:53:56,014
-Dennis rodman
went awol on Monday,

1147
00:53:56,133 --> 00:53:57,958
And he decided to do
the wrestling thing.

1148
00:53:57,985 --> 00:53:59,701
-Dennis rodman was one of
the most popular

1149
00:53:59,703 --> 00:54:02,371
And controversial and edgiest
nba players.

1150
00:54:02,373 --> 00:54:03,722
-He's in your league.

1151
00:54:03,783 --> 00:54:05,449
That's why you're with the nwo,
my friend.

1152
00:54:05,567 --> 00:54:08,001
-That's right, baby.
New world order, baby.

1153
00:54:08,003 --> 00:54:11,896
-Favorite memory would probably
be the nwo guys

1154
00:54:11,958 --> 00:54:14,065
Going out to the ring
with rodman,

1155
00:54:14,067 --> 00:54:16,034
In chicago smoking cigars,

1156
00:54:16,153 --> 00:54:20,814
And having phil jackson
out of his mind...

1157
00:54:20,841 --> 00:54:23,467
Calling me going,
"where's rodman at?

1158
00:54:23,585 --> 00:54:25,243
He needs to get back
to practice,"

1159
00:54:25,304 --> 00:54:27,321
And I said,
"he doesn't want to come back."

1160
00:54:27,348 --> 00:54:28,822
He wants to hang out with us.

1161
00:54:28,849 --> 00:54:30,324
I don't know what to tell you."

1162
00:54:30,351 --> 00:54:32,826
We're the nwo!

1163
00:54:32,853 --> 00:54:36,814
You're messing with us for life.

1164
00:54:36,932 --> 00:54:41,794
-This is entertainment,
and the hair color, the tattoos,

1165
00:54:41,821 --> 00:54:44,838
The piercings, the wildness,
why not?

1166
00:54:44,865 --> 00:54:46,890
It's a perfect fit.

1167
00:54:46,909 --> 00:54:49,493
-It felt like there was
something more there

1168
00:54:49,611 --> 00:54:51,495
Than your traditional
pro-wrestling program.

1169
00:54:51,613 --> 00:54:54,230
-The bottom line is this is all
serious business, joke man.

1170
00:54:54,250 --> 00:54:56,107
You crossed the line.
-I didn't cross --

1171
00:54:56,168 --> 00:54:58,076
Let me get you a hat, okay?

1172
00:54:58,195 --> 00:55:00,229
-I'm tired of it.

1173
00:55:00,231 --> 00:55:02,298
-You know what they say,
the old cliche.

1174
00:55:02,416 --> 00:55:04,433
The bigger they are...

1175
00:55:04,551 --> 00:55:07,118
-The harder they fall!

1176
00:55:07,179 --> 00:55:11,198
-Is we all know how hard it is
to become successful.

1177
00:55:11,225 --> 00:55:15,369
What I learned
is that it's far more difficult

1178
00:55:15,396 --> 00:55:18,930
To<i> remain</i> successful
than it is to<i> become</i> successful.

1179
00:55:19,049 --> 00:55:20,799
-I'm the man!

1180
00:55:20,860 --> 00:55:23,319
I am god!

1181
00:55:23,437 --> 00:55:25,738
♪♪

1182
00:55:30,152 --> 00:55:32,202
♪♪

1183
00:55:32,321 --> 00:55:34,721
-The Monday-night wars --
it was the reason

1184
00:55:34,749 --> 00:55:39,801
For everything in pro wrestling
during the '90s.

1185
00:55:39,803 --> 00:55:43,305
-You know, ted turner wanted
to put lightning in a bottle...

1186
00:55:43,307 --> 00:55:45,899
And the only conversation
I had with him

1187
00:55:45,926 --> 00:55:47,459
Is if you're gonna
put lightning in a bottle,

1188
00:55:47,577 --> 00:55:49,403
You've got to go head to head
with vince.

1189
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:52,890
The nwo
with hollywood at the helm

1190
00:55:53,008 --> 00:55:57,386
Is just too damn sweet!

1191
00:55:57,504 --> 00:56:01,506
-It's hard for me sometimes
to be as honest with myself

1192
00:56:01,567 --> 00:56:03,325
As I'd like to be.

1193
00:56:03,327 --> 00:56:08,330
Nitro, Monday night raw were
head-to-head in competition,

1194
00:56:08,332 --> 00:56:11,925
Too close to call most weeks,
from the very beginning.

1195
00:56:11,952 --> 00:56:17,431
It wasn't until
the nwo story that wcw and nitro

1196
00:56:17,458 --> 00:56:18,932
Began to dominate the ratings.

1197
00:56:18,959 --> 00:56:22,177
It did so for a year and a half,
almost two years.

1198
00:56:22,179 --> 00:56:25,972
♪♪

1199
00:56:25,974 --> 00:56:29,610
That would not have happened
had it not been for the nwo.

1200
00:56:29,637 --> 00:56:32,179
-He wants to punch out a fan!

1201
00:56:32,339 --> 00:56:37,092
-That was the goal, was to
become the number-one company.

1202
00:56:37,210 --> 00:56:40,954
I don't think the goal was ever
to put vince out of business,

1203
00:56:40,981 --> 00:56:43,941
Even though we got really,
really close.

1204
00:56:44,059 --> 00:56:46,201
-♪ we are the champions ♪

1205
00:56:46,203 --> 00:56:47,961
-♪ we are the champions ♪

1206
00:56:47,988 --> 00:56:50,297
-I've had a conversation with
vince where he was just

1207
00:56:50,324 --> 00:56:52,874
A couple of weeks away
from shutting the doors.

1208
00:56:52,876 --> 00:56:55,001
-The number-one program
in the world,

1209
00:56:55,003 --> 00:57:00,807
It's nitro with
world championship wrestling.

1210
00:57:00,835 --> 00:57:04,144
-I believed from day one
when I cut that promo

1211
00:57:04,171 --> 00:57:05,537
That this was gonna work,

1212
00:57:05,655 --> 00:57:07,147
That they were gonna cheer
for the bad guys,

1213
00:57:07,174 --> 00:57:11,318
But I didn't realize
how big it was gonna get.

1214
00:57:11,345 --> 00:57:14,563
It got to the point where
the only way to get destroyed

1215
00:57:14,565 --> 00:57:16,748
Was the people that created it.

1216
00:57:16,909 --> 00:57:20,552
-The battle between good
and evil has begun.

1217
00:57:20,670 --> 00:57:24,523
[ cheers and applause ]

1218
00:57:24,641 --> 00:57:29,002
-The catalyst for the
Monday-night wars was the nwo.

1219
00:57:29,029 --> 00:57:32,647
The rocket fuel for those wars
was sting-hogan.

1220
00:57:32,766 --> 00:57:36,084
♪♪

1221
00:57:36,086 --> 00:57:39,145
-Sting to the rescue for
world championship wrestling!

1222
00:57:39,206 --> 00:57:41,573
-You want him, you got him!

1223
00:57:41,691 --> 00:57:43,684
[ cheers and applause ]

1224
00:57:43,711 --> 00:57:45,927
-He threw the bat away.

1225
00:57:45,929 --> 00:57:47,596
-Right here, let's go!

1226
00:57:47,598 --> 00:57:51,266
Right now!

1227
00:57:51,268 --> 00:57:55,103
-We did a fantastic job
of building that story.

1228
00:57:55,105 --> 00:57:56,771
It exceeded 12 months.

1229
00:57:56,773 --> 00:57:58,765
-Now, hold on here.
-Wait a minute.

1230
00:57:58,767 --> 00:58:00,700
-That -- that's sting.
Who's that?

1231
00:58:00,702 --> 00:58:01,935
-It's another one!

1232
00:58:02,095 --> 00:58:04,930
It's a sting-fest!
I mean, they're everywhere!

1233
00:58:05,048 --> 00:58:06,598
[ cheers and applause ]

1234
00:58:06,716 --> 00:58:08,450
-Oh!

1235
00:58:08,452 --> 00:58:11,620
-We were putting
so much pressure

1236
00:58:11,622 --> 00:58:14,739
On abc and Monday night football
that abc network,

1237
00:58:14,741 --> 00:58:16,416
Who had the rights
to Monday night football,

1238
00:58:16,418 --> 00:58:18,460
Had to take out an ad
to convince advertisers

1239
00:58:18,462 --> 00:58:20,537
Not to spend their money
with us.

1240
00:58:20,656 --> 00:58:23,890
The audience was so invested
in that story,

1241
00:58:23,918 --> 00:58:26,602
I knew that the payoff
was gonna be fantastic.

1242
00:58:26,604 --> 00:58:30,297
-The thing that gets me madder
than anything else

1243
00:58:30,457 --> 00:58:36,811
Is all those idiots out there
with those sting masks on!

1244
00:58:36,813 --> 00:58:39,239
I was here last week.

1245
00:58:39,399 --> 00:58:41,408
I'm here this week.

1246
00:58:41,435 --> 00:58:46,337
And if sting had any guts,
he'd show his...

1247
00:58:46,398 --> 00:58:48,156
Because I will beat him up.

1248
00:58:48,158 --> 00:58:49,658
-You know, guys,
hogan's lost it.

1249
00:58:49,660 --> 00:58:52,677
-There's hogan's nightmare
right there.

1250
00:58:52,738 --> 00:58:56,406
-The payoff was originally
going to be sting,

1251
00:58:56,525 --> 00:59:00,335
Finally,
after all of this time...

1252
00:59:00,337 --> 00:59:01,928
♪♪

1253
00:59:01,956 --> 00:59:03,930
...Putting a period
at the end of the sentence

1254
00:59:03,958 --> 00:59:06,266
And walking away
with a wcw victory.

1255
00:59:06,293 --> 00:59:08,493
-You know, that's an image
that wrestling fans,

1256
00:59:08,612 --> 00:59:11,237
Sports fans around the world,
will never forget --

1257
00:59:11,298 --> 00:59:13,348
Sting, the door swings open.

1258
00:59:13,350 --> 00:59:16,459
He walks slowly
towards hollywood hogan,

1259
00:59:16,578 --> 00:59:18,461
And he signs the contract,

1260
00:59:18,580 --> 00:59:22,949
Not taking his eyes off
his enemy, off his opponent.

1261
00:59:22,977 --> 00:59:28,121
-That was the plan for almost
the entire 18 months...

1262
00:59:28,148 --> 00:59:31,408
-Sting and hogan --
the contract has been signed.

1263
00:59:31,410 --> 00:59:35,028
The two men will meet
for the world title.

1264
00:59:35,188 --> 00:59:38,465
-...Until the night
we got to the arena.

1265
00:59:38,492 --> 00:59:41,301
-Ladies and gentlemen,
we welcome you

1266
00:59:41,461 --> 00:59:44,638
To the biggest night in
the history of this grand sport.

1267
00:59:44,665 --> 00:59:46,439
-We had a plan all these months,

1268
00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:49,034
And then suddenly,
there was a shift.

1269
00:59:49,152 --> 00:59:51,478
[ bell ringing ]

1270
00:59:51,505 --> 00:59:56,149
-Ladies and gentlemen,
welcome to starrcade '97

1271
00:59:56,176 --> 01:00:00,729
For the heavyweight championship
of the world.

1272
01:00:00,731 --> 01:00:05,416
-Hulk looked at me and said,
"not today."

1273
01:00:05,477 --> 01:00:09,161
-Let's get ready to rumble!

1274
01:00:09,163 --> 01:00:12,256
[ cheers and applause ]

1275
01:00:12,318 --> 01:00:17,579
♪♪

1276
01:00:17,581 --> 01:00:20,173
-Let's just stick
with the original plan,

1277
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,034
Deliver what we said
we were gonna do,

1278
01:00:22,152 --> 01:00:23,718
And move on from there.

1279
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,145
You know, not --
not this last-minute stuff.

1280
01:00:26,206 --> 01:00:28,423
-I had a problem with it because
if you're gonna beat me

1281
01:00:28,425 --> 01:00:30,016
When I get
this type of momentum,

1282
01:00:30,044 --> 01:00:31,518
This is about making money.

1283
01:00:31,545 --> 01:00:32,994
Whenever you beat somebody,

1284
01:00:33,113 --> 01:00:35,355
You beat them in a way
that they're better off

1285
01:00:35,382 --> 01:00:38,024
<i> After</i> they're beat
than they were before,

1286
01:00:38,052 --> 01:00:39,426
And eric really wasn't sure

1287
01:00:39,586 --> 01:00:41,511
Where we were going
with this thing.

1288
01:00:41,630 --> 01:00:44,580
-He had creative control.

1289
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:48,443
You can't give a wrestler
creative control.

1290
01:00:48,445 --> 01:00:50,128
Can't happen.

1291
01:00:50,189 --> 01:00:52,296
Just can't happen.

1292
01:00:52,358 --> 01:00:55,025
He doesn't have to do anything
he doesn't want to do.

1293
01:00:55,143 --> 01:00:56,451
-Despite the fact

1294
01:00:56,453 --> 01:00:58,378
That hulk hogan did have
creative control,

1295
01:00:58,405 --> 01:01:01,456
And he never exercised it,
he never threatened to use it,

1296
01:01:01,458 --> 01:01:03,216
He never implied that he might,

1297
01:01:03,243 --> 01:01:06,961
It was like, "yeah,
it's there, but it's not."

1298
01:01:06,963 --> 01:01:08,388
Except for that night,

1299
01:01:08,415 --> 01:01:09,964
And because
hulk wasn't feeling it,

1300
01:01:09,966 --> 01:01:11,449
He called an audible.

1301
01:01:11,568 --> 01:01:13,301
And it was a mad scramble.

1302
01:01:13,303 --> 01:01:17,472
-It got to the point where...
There was too much tension.

1303
01:01:17,474 --> 01:01:19,399
I said, "okay, bro,
I'll put him over.

1304
01:01:19,426 --> 01:01:21,968
No big deal.
We'll figure it out."

1305
01:01:22,129 --> 01:01:25,304
-Not really sure
what we were going to do

1306
01:01:25,306 --> 01:01:27,540
Literally until
walking through the curtain,

1307
01:01:27,601 --> 01:01:30,727
And even then, it's like,
you know, anything can happen.

1308
01:01:30,846 --> 01:01:33,279
[ cheers and applause ]

1309
01:01:33,281 --> 01:01:36,249
-That's a cold stare,
is what that is.

1310
01:01:36,276 --> 01:01:38,718
-We had to figure out what
we were gonna do that night,

1311
01:01:38,879 --> 01:01:41,588
And we determined and agreed
that the best way to do that

1312
01:01:41,615 --> 01:01:46,334
Was with a controversial,
disputable ending of the match.

1313
01:01:46,336 --> 01:01:48,336
[ cheers and applause ]

1314
01:01:48,338 --> 01:01:49,562
-Ladies and gentlemen...

1315
01:01:49,623 --> 01:01:52,499
-Come on, hero! Come on, hero!

1316
01:01:52,659 --> 01:01:56,436
-The goal was to give hogan
the quick count

1317
01:01:56,463 --> 01:01:59,272
That gave sting justification

1318
01:01:59,299 --> 01:02:01,866
And the right
to demand a rematch.

1319
01:02:01,885 --> 01:02:04,094
[ cheers and applause ]

1320
01:02:04,212 --> 01:02:06,513
-Big leg drop.

1321
01:02:06,673 --> 01:02:09,182
One, two, three!

1322
01:02:09,342 --> 01:02:12,018
[ cheers and applause ]

1323
01:02:12,020 --> 01:02:13,377
-The quick count
wasn't a quick count.

1324
01:02:13,439 --> 01:02:16,214
-One, two, three!

1325
01:02:16,275 --> 01:02:19,192
-When a change that big is made
at the last minute,

1326
01:02:19,352 --> 01:02:21,552
There's a lot of scrambling
going on,

1327
01:02:21,713 --> 01:02:23,362
And there's an opportunity

1328
01:02:23,364 --> 01:02:26,691
For a lot of really bad
communication as a result of it.

1329
01:02:26,693 --> 01:02:29,135
-The referee counts
one, two, three.

1330
01:02:29,163 --> 01:02:31,696
He doesn't kick out.

1331
01:02:31,815 --> 01:02:34,657
-One, two, three!

1332
01:02:34,776 --> 01:02:36,734
-The quick count was
the last-minute plan.

1333
01:02:36,795 --> 01:02:39,646
It was the band-aid that was
put on the original plan.

1334
01:02:39,673 --> 01:02:41,147
-So he was supposed to kick out?

1335
01:02:41,175 --> 01:02:43,041
-Yeah, and he didn't kick out.

1336
01:02:43,159 --> 01:02:45,151
-One, two, three!

1337
01:02:45,179 --> 01:02:48,730
-I know some timing issues.
-One...

1338
01:02:48,732 --> 01:02:50,156
-We got messed up
on some timing.

1339
01:02:50,184 --> 01:02:51,825
-...Two...

1340
01:02:51,852 --> 01:02:53,384
-There were some things
that happened timing-wise.

1341
01:02:53,503 --> 01:02:55,604
-...Three!
-Watching it from the monitor

1342
01:02:55,722 --> 01:02:58,239
Felt like
watching the hindenburg.

1343
01:02:58,241 --> 01:03:01,409
You know, just like,
"oh, the humanity."

1344
01:03:01,411 --> 01:03:02,911
-One, two, three!

1345
01:03:02,913 --> 01:03:05,505
-I like things to be, you know,

1346
01:03:05,532 --> 01:03:09,659
I like them to go, you know,
not always as planned.

1347
01:03:10,871 --> 01:03:13,179
-No one in the building
in washington, d.C.,

1348
01:03:13,207 --> 01:03:15,273
Thought at that time
that it was a fast count,

1349
01:03:15,334 --> 01:03:18,568
But in the storyline,
bret hart comes out.

1350
01:03:18,587 --> 01:03:20,428
[ indistinct shouting ]

1351
01:03:20,430 --> 01:03:23,248
-I don't remember
bret hart being involved.

1352
01:03:23,366 --> 01:03:25,283
I don't remember
another referee coming down.

1353
01:03:25,344 --> 01:03:27,936
I remember anything like that
ever being talked about.

1354
01:03:27,938 --> 01:03:30,347
-Man, I can't even remember now
sitting here.

1355
01:03:30,465 --> 01:03:33,266
-Sting eventually
wins the title.

1356
01:03:33,426 --> 01:03:35,101
He beats hulk hogan.

1357
01:03:35,262 --> 01:03:39,014
And it was just a confusing mess
of what happened,

1358
01:03:39,016 --> 01:03:40,949
And it just felt
so anticlimactic

1359
01:03:40,951 --> 01:03:42,617
For something that
they were building for so long

1360
01:03:42,619 --> 01:03:44,302
And they had built brilliantly.

1361
01:03:44,363 --> 01:03:50,008
And then the climax was just...
Kind of a wet fart.

1362
01:03:50,035 --> 01:03:52,310
-What a wonderful night
that was.

1363
01:03:52,371 --> 01:03:56,164
♪♪

1364
01:04:00,921 --> 01:04:04,564
[ cheers and applause ]

1365
01:04:04,591 --> 01:04:06,566
-Last night,
ladies and gentlemen,

1366
01:04:06,593 --> 01:04:07,992
History was made.

1367
01:04:08,111 --> 01:04:11,096
After 18 months,
sting returned to the ring.

1368
01:04:11,214 --> 01:04:14,165
There is a new
world heavyweight champion.

1369
01:04:14,184 --> 01:04:17,719
He is sting with
world championship wrestling.

1370
01:04:17,837 --> 01:04:19,813
[ cheers and applause ]

1371
01:04:19,973 --> 01:04:22,891
-When the viewer puts trust
into a product,

1372
01:04:23,009 --> 01:04:26,628
Into characters, into a brand,

1373
01:04:26,746 --> 01:04:29,214
And then all those things
disappoint the viewer,

1374
01:04:29,216 --> 01:04:32,683
There is a loss of trust.

1375
01:04:32,744 --> 01:04:34,502
-But if you don't deliver

1376
01:04:34,504 --> 01:04:37,080
On that anticipation
that you've built

1377
01:04:37,198 --> 01:04:40,491
And the investment that the
audience has made in your story,

1378
01:04:40,610 --> 01:04:43,770
They're pissed at you,
they're disappointed in you,

1379
01:04:43,797 --> 01:04:45,696
And they don't
trust you anymore.

1380
01:04:45,857 --> 01:04:47,332
[ cheers and applause ]

1381
01:04:47,492 --> 01:04:51,820
Nothing in terms
of a build-up in the finish

1382
01:04:51,938 --> 01:04:54,139
Has ever been
more of a disappointment.

1383
01:04:54,257 --> 01:04:56,223
[ cheers and applause ]

1384
01:04:56,225 --> 01:04:58,351
-I certainly think that it was

1385
01:04:58,511 --> 01:05:00,878
The beginning
of the end for wcw.

1386
01:05:00,939 --> 01:05:02,956
♪♪

1387
01:05:02,983 --> 01:05:07,944
-Me and rodzilla --
we be taking over, bro.

1388
01:05:08,063 --> 01:05:12,965
[ cheers and applause ]

1389
01:05:12,967 --> 01:05:16,878
-In '98,
the nwo starts to fracture,

1390
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,164
And they become
two separate groups.

1391
01:05:19,282 --> 01:05:22,617
The nwo wolfpac is wearing
black and red.

1392
01:05:22,735 --> 01:05:27,756
-Wolfpac in the house!

1393
01:05:27,874 --> 01:05:31,000
-The nwo hollywood
is wearing black and white,

1394
01:05:31,119 --> 01:05:32,819
And now they're
warring factions.

1395
01:05:32,846 --> 01:05:34,562
So instead of being at war
with wcw,

1396
01:05:34,564 --> 01:05:36,381
They're actually at war
with each other.

1397
01:05:36,499 --> 01:05:39,067
That was definitely a departure
from what the original idea

1398
01:05:39,069 --> 01:05:41,436
For the nwo was supposed to be.

1399
01:05:41,554 --> 01:05:44,906
-I'm sure you've heard
the sad saga...

1400
01:05:44,908 --> 01:05:49,627
Of kevin nash
losing his little buddy.

1401
01:05:49,655 --> 01:05:52,155
[ cheers and applause ]

1402
01:05:52,273 --> 01:05:54,049
Hey, kev --

1403
01:05:54,051 --> 01:05:58,586
Hey, kev,
you're an embarrassment to me,

1404
01:05:58,588 --> 01:06:02,849
And I used to call you
my big brother.

1405
01:06:02,876 --> 01:06:07,403
You're not half the man
hollywood hogan is.

1406
01:06:07,422 --> 01:06:08,930
-They broke kevin and scott up,

1407
01:06:08,932 --> 01:06:11,249
And no one wanted to see
kevin and scott broke up.

1408
01:06:11,367 --> 01:06:12,692
That was [bleep]

1409
01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:17,621
-The whole split of the nwo

1410
01:06:17,683 --> 01:06:21,092
Was probably more
a function of frustration.

1411
01:06:21,210 --> 01:06:22,477
-We're gonna humiliate him!

1412
01:06:22,595 --> 01:06:24,779
We're gonna teach him
who the master is,

1413
01:06:24,781 --> 01:06:26,948
Then we're gonna choke slam him.

1414
01:06:26,950 --> 01:06:31,786
-There were a lot of internal
structural financial changes

1415
01:06:31,788 --> 01:06:34,914
Being made mid-stream.

1416
01:06:34,916 --> 01:06:37,792
My budget was being gutted.

1417
01:06:37,794 --> 01:06:40,128
Didn't understand it.

1418
01:06:40,130 --> 01:06:41,997
Tried to fight it.
That was my biggest mistake.

1419
01:06:42,115 --> 01:06:45,375
I tried to fight it
because I thought I could.

1420
01:06:45,493 --> 01:06:48,652
-We're seeing a man
whose life has fallen apart.

1421
01:06:48,714 --> 01:06:49,963
Oh!

1422
01:06:50,123 --> 01:06:52,899
-I picked fights with people

1423
01:06:52,926 --> 01:06:55,802
I should have never
picked fights with corporately.

1424
01:06:55,962 --> 01:06:57,795
I was just fighting that battle
and finally,

1425
01:06:57,914 --> 01:06:59,480
I just threw up my hands
and said,

1426
01:06:59,482 --> 01:07:01,474
"okay, well, we can't do
all the stuff we want to do,

1427
01:07:01,634 --> 01:07:04,093
So what do we do?"

1428
01:07:04,212 --> 01:07:08,473
Well, we can create
some internal strife,

1429
01:07:08,591 --> 01:07:14,070
Conflict within the nwo
and have the nwo have a split.

1430
01:07:14,189 --> 01:07:17,240
♪♪

1431
01:07:17,358 --> 01:07:21,594
It was random,
and it was ineffective.

1432
01:07:21,621 --> 01:07:25,840
And it really took the steam
out of the nwo.

1433
01:07:25,842 --> 01:07:28,910
Nwo heavyweight champion
of the world,

1434
01:07:28,912 --> 01:07:35,650
Big sexy kevin nash!

1435
01:07:35,652 --> 01:07:38,903
-There's actual books that say

1436
01:07:38,905 --> 01:07:41,506
That I single-handedly
killed wcw.

1437
01:07:41,624 --> 01:07:42,857
-You?
-Yeah.

1438
01:07:42,859 --> 01:07:44,192
-What -- who said that?

1439
01:07:44,194 --> 01:07:47,195
-There's books.
-What's the premise?

1440
01:07:47,197 --> 01:07:49,713
-Because the fingerpoke of doom.

1441
01:07:49,775 --> 01:07:51,340
[ scoffs ]
-the what?

1442
01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:54,127
-They always say
the fingerpoke of doom.

1443
01:07:54,154 --> 01:07:56,796
-Very tentative look
on hogan's face,

1444
01:07:56,823 --> 01:07:59,257
But nash ready to go at it.

1445
01:07:59,259 --> 01:08:01,785
-Taking their time
with each other.

1446
01:08:01,903 --> 01:08:07,123
-Well, the finger point
of doom...Wrong.

1447
01:08:07,242 --> 01:08:08,458
Makes no sense.

1448
01:08:08,576 --> 01:08:10,251
Embarrassing.

1449
01:08:10,370 --> 01:08:13,479
-Let's see if that gets
a reaction from hollywood here.

1450
01:08:13,507 --> 01:08:15,465
-Sorry I was a part of it.

1451
01:08:15,583 --> 01:08:17,558
Can I please take it back?

1452
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,727
I mean, I got no words for it.

1453
01:08:19,729 --> 01:08:24,490
It was just completely wrong,
wrong thing to do.

1454
01:08:24,518 --> 01:08:26,750
-He's been in so many
big matches.

1455
01:08:26,812 --> 01:08:28,903
♪♪

1456
01:08:28,905 --> 01:08:31,239
-What was that about?

1457
01:08:31,241 --> 01:08:33,391
What's going on here?

1458
01:08:33,509 --> 01:08:35,743
What?

1459
01:08:35,745 --> 01:08:37,728
What just happened here?

1460
01:08:37,847 --> 01:08:40,264
[ cheers and applause ]

1461
01:08:40,283 --> 01:08:43,051
-Ladies and gentlemen...
-Oh, my god!

1462
01:08:43,053 --> 01:08:44,835
-...The winner

1463
01:08:44,837 --> 01:08:48,297
And new heavyweight champion
of the world,

1464
01:08:48,416 --> 01:08:50,925
Hollywood hogan.

1465
01:08:50,927 --> 01:08:55,855
-[ speaks indistinctly ]

1466
01:08:55,882 --> 01:08:58,616
-The continued b.S. Finishes

1467
01:08:58,677 --> 01:09:01,027
And just the way
that the nwo was presented,

1468
01:09:01,054 --> 01:09:05,031
They weren't giving the fans...
Something satisfying.

1469
01:09:05,058 --> 01:09:07,441
♪♪

1470
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:09,110
-I think the fingerpoint of doom

1471
01:09:09,112 --> 01:09:11,629
Definitely contributed
to the demise.

1472
01:09:11,690 --> 01:09:15,208
You know, I mean, if you're --
you're going downhill

1473
01:09:15,235 --> 01:09:17,435
And, you know,
somebody pushes you,

1474
01:09:17,553 --> 01:09:18,786
It makes it even worse.

1475
01:09:18,788 --> 01:09:21,289
[ thunder rumbles ]

1476
01:09:21,291 --> 01:09:23,524
And eric got caught up.

1477
01:09:23,643 --> 01:09:25,493
[ thunder rumbles ]

1478
01:09:25,612 --> 01:09:29,372
-I became...Pretty distracted.

1479
01:09:29,490 --> 01:09:31,374
I want my lawyer!

1480
01:09:31,492 --> 01:09:33,209
I want him now!

1481
01:09:33,328 --> 01:09:34,760
-What's he yelling?
He wants his lawyer?

1482
01:09:34,762 --> 01:09:38,673
-Some of his business
decisions...Weren't...

1483
01:09:38,791 --> 01:09:40,266
I don't think what they would be

1484
01:09:40,268 --> 01:09:42,735
Now that he knows
what he knows now.

1485
01:09:42,762 --> 01:09:45,220
-You're out of here!
You are fired.

1486
01:09:45,340 --> 01:09:47,440
He's out of here, end of story.

1487
01:09:47,442 --> 01:09:49,650
-We know eric's really
our boss...

1488
01:09:49,652 --> 01:09:52,153
-Eric bischoff, president, wcw.

1489
01:09:52,155 --> 01:09:54,747
-...But when eric forgot that
for a short while,

1490
01:09:54,774 --> 01:09:57,475
That's when I feel
eric kind of like

1491
01:09:57,593 --> 01:09:59,343
Got in the "cool zone."

1492
01:09:59,404 --> 01:10:00,987
-Is that eric bischoff?

1493
01:10:01,147 --> 01:10:02,797
-It's a new look, isn't it?

1494
01:10:02,915 --> 01:10:05,808
-The lines were blurry
for all of us.

1495
01:10:05,827 --> 01:10:08,494
-We know all about
that martial-arts background.

1496
01:10:08,496 --> 01:10:11,097
Bischoff's seven years
perfecting his craft

1497
01:10:11,124 --> 01:10:13,174
In his own words
as a trained killer.

1498
01:10:13,176 --> 01:10:15,084
-He wants a piece of me?

1499
01:10:15,203 --> 01:10:18,104
He wants to get
in the ring with<i> moi?</i>

1500
01:10:18,131 --> 01:10:20,514
-Sometimes it was cool
for the nwo

1501
01:10:20,516 --> 01:10:23,927
Or cool for scott and kevin
or cool for hollywood hogan.

1502
01:10:24,045 --> 01:10:27,688
-Hollywood hogan has said that
he will run for the president

1503
01:10:27,690 --> 01:10:31,509
Of the united states
in the year 2000.

1504
01:10:31,627 --> 01:10:35,321
-But it wasn't cool
for the business at hand.

1505
01:10:35,323 --> 01:10:38,266
America shall be
the richest country.

1506
01:10:38,384 --> 01:10:40,685
Every child shall have
an education,

1507
01:10:40,803 --> 01:10:43,296
And we shall make
the whole world

1508
01:10:43,323 --> 01:10:45,448
A peaceful place to live in.

1509
01:10:45,566 --> 01:10:48,042
It wasn't cool for what needed
to be done

1510
01:10:48,044 --> 01:10:49,694
To compete with vince.

1511
01:10:49,812 --> 01:10:51,804
That's where I feel
the guard was dropped.

1512
01:10:51,831 --> 01:10:56,642
-I'm just having more and more
fun every time I come out here.

1513
01:10:56,670 --> 01:10:58,661
-Hey, yo.

1514
01:10:58,779 --> 01:11:02,223
-Eric becoming a mark
for hall and nash at the time --

1515
01:11:02,225 --> 01:11:03,708
-What does that mean, a mark?

1516
01:11:03,826 --> 01:11:05,635
-Well, it means
instead of being their boss,

1517
01:11:05,753 --> 01:11:07,228
He becomes a fan.

1518
01:11:07,230 --> 01:11:10,631
-This is a very disgusting,
confusing picture.

1519
01:11:10,750 --> 01:11:13,058
This is a joke.
-It's a crime, is what it is.

1520
01:11:13,060 --> 01:11:16,603
-What I felt was, "man, we need
to tighten this ship up.

1521
01:11:16,605 --> 01:11:18,773
Man, we got to get back to what
this business is all about

1522
01:11:18,891 --> 01:11:22,001
And not, you know,
sitting up in a suite, you know,

1523
01:11:22,028 --> 01:11:24,562
With a bunch of girls
from a strip club drinking wine

1524
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,739
While wcw
is wrestling down there."

1525
01:11:26,899 --> 01:11:30,493
-And I never, ever thought
it would be quite this good.

1526
01:11:30,611 --> 01:11:32,253
-Just tell the girls to go home

1527
01:11:32,255 --> 01:11:33,937
And go down
and backstab these guys

1528
01:11:33,999 --> 01:11:37,183
And beat them with spray paint
and leave them laying, you know?

1529
01:11:37,210 --> 01:11:39,335
But that's just my opinion.

1530
01:11:39,454 --> 01:11:40,686
This is life.

1531
01:11:40,714 --> 01:11:42,096
-I like the way you think,
though.

1532
01:11:42,098 --> 01:11:43,931
-I learned from you.

1533
01:11:43,933 --> 01:11:46,526
That bus last year, remember?

1534
01:11:46,553 --> 01:11:48,436
-If the bus ain't rocking,
don't come knocking, right?

1535
01:11:48,438 --> 01:11:50,179
-Rodzilla.

1536
01:11:50,298 --> 01:11:52,273
-At the dawn
of the internet age,

1537
01:11:52,275 --> 01:11:53,941
There is stunning new evidence

1538
01:11:53,943 --> 01:11:56,202
Of the growing power
of the new media.

1539
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:59,847
Internet pioneer
america online announced today

1540
01:11:59,965 --> 01:12:02,525
It is buying big,
sprawling time warner,

1541
01:12:02,643 --> 01:12:05,903
Creating the world's largest
media conglomerate.

1542
01:12:06,022 --> 01:12:08,038
-There's a possibility
for some friction,

1543
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:10,140
But I don't think
that's going to happen.

1544
01:12:10,142 --> 01:12:12,643
I think we're all committed
to making this thing work

1545
01:12:12,704 --> 01:12:16,998
And creating the most exciting
and socially conscious company

1546
01:12:17,116 --> 01:12:19,408
That the world has ever seen.

1547
01:12:19,527 --> 01:12:21,627
[ laughter ]

1548
01:12:27,310 --> 01:12:30,127
-I want to make an announcement
now that next Monday night

1549
01:12:30,246 --> 01:12:33,130
In panama city
very well could be

1550
01:12:33,249 --> 01:12:36,650
The last night of wrestling
on the turner networks.

1551
01:12:36,652 --> 01:12:42,323
-It was just a matter of time
before I, vince mcmahon,

1552
01:12:42,325 --> 01:12:44,492
Bought my competition.

1553
01:12:44,494 --> 01:12:45,918
That's right.

1554
01:12:45,945 --> 01:12:48,162
I own wcw.

1555
01:12:48,164 --> 01:12:50,923
-The merger changed
our priorities.

1556
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:53,517
You know, instead of having two
really high-rated shows

1557
01:12:53,578 --> 01:12:55,595
On tbs and tnt,

1558
01:12:55,622 --> 01:12:57,597
They were more interested
in movies of the week,

1559
01:12:57,624 --> 01:12:59,673
New programing, turner classics,

1560
01:12:59,675 --> 01:13:04,770
And they didn't want "wrasslin'"
as part of their portfolio.

1561
01:13:04,798 --> 01:13:07,314
-Next week,
ladies and gentlemen,

1562
01:13:07,316 --> 01:13:11,435
The finale of wcw Monday nitro
on tnt.

1563
01:13:11,595 --> 01:13:14,555
♪♪

1564
01:13:14,674 --> 01:13:21,028
-I think we might have
had half a chance...

1565
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:23,247
If there wasn't
a time warner merger.

1566
01:13:23,249 --> 01:13:28,035
-Welcome to a landmark night
in the industry!

1567
01:13:28,037 --> 01:13:30,187
We are stunned. We are floored.

1568
01:13:30,306 --> 01:13:37,211
On the very last telecast of
wcw Monday nitro on tnt.

1569
01:13:37,213 --> 01:13:39,680
-Wcw gets sold to wwe

1570
01:13:39,799 --> 01:13:41,991
For somewhere between
$3 million and $4 million.

1571
01:13:42,109 --> 01:13:46,387
-For the first time ever
in sports entertainment history,

1572
01:13:46,389 --> 01:13:51,926
This broadcast is not only
being seen here on tnn

1573
01:13:52,044 --> 01:13:54,487
And cleveland, ohio...

1574
01:13:54,514 --> 01:13:56,656
[ cheers and applause ]

1575
01:13:56,816 --> 01:13:58,975
...But it is also being seen

1576
01:13:59,093 --> 01:14:04,655
Across
turner network television.

1577
01:14:04,657 --> 01:14:09,001
-The landscape of our industry
is changing.

1578
01:14:09,028 --> 01:14:12,405
-What should I do with wcw?

1579
01:14:12,565 --> 01:14:16,192
-When we went to the wwe,
I think, once again,

1580
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:19,679
Just like hulk hogan leaving
the wwe and going to wcw,

1581
01:14:19,706 --> 01:14:21,013
There was a short --

1582
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,683
Short, little red and yellow
running

1583
01:14:23,710 --> 01:14:26,443
And the nwo thing took over.

1584
01:14:26,504 --> 01:14:29,797
I think us coming back
to the wwe

1585
01:14:29,916 --> 01:14:31,340
Would have had the same effect.

1586
01:14:31,459 --> 01:14:35,269
-Hollywood hogan,
hall and nash --

1587
01:14:35,271 --> 01:14:39,440
The three men
who who built the old wcw

1588
01:14:39,442 --> 01:14:42,501
But did more to destroy
that company,

1589
01:14:42,562 --> 01:14:45,997
That brand,
than any other entity

1590
01:14:46,024 --> 01:14:51,652
Are now full-fledged members of
the world wrestling federation,

1591
01:14:51,771 --> 01:14:54,864
Thanks to mr. Mcmahon.

1592
01:14:54,982 --> 01:14:58,201
[ cheers and applause ]

1593
01:14:58,319 --> 01:15:08,377
♪♪

1594
01:15:08,379 --> 01:15:18,287
♪♪

1595
01:15:18,306 --> 01:15:21,649
-So we come in.

1596
01:15:21,651 --> 01:15:25,302
The rock challenges me,
yes or no for for wrestlemania.

1597
01:15:25,421 --> 01:15:26,896
-How do you feel

1598
01:15:27,014 --> 01:15:30,157
About headlining one more
wrestlemania with the rock?

1599
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:33,085
-Oh, my god!

1600
01:15:33,112 --> 01:15:36,471
-Scott and kevin come down.
We beat the crap out of him.

1601
01:15:36,491 --> 01:15:38,966
[ cheers and applause ]

1602
01:15:38,968 --> 01:15:40,885
We take him outside.
We put him in an ambulance.

1603
01:15:40,912 --> 01:15:43,796
We chain the ambulance.
I run him over with a semi.

1604
01:15:43,798 --> 01:15:48,801
I did everything I could
to get heat on myself

1605
01:15:48,803 --> 01:15:50,436
And on scott and kevin.

1606
01:15:50,463 --> 01:15:52,772
They'd have the people
boo me out of the building.

1607
01:15:52,799 --> 01:15:56,809
[ cheers and applause ]

1608
01:15:56,811 --> 01:15:59,645
I walk out at wrestlemania 18,
and they cheer me

1609
01:15:59,647 --> 01:16:02,098
Out of the building
against the rock.

1610
01:16:02,216 --> 01:16:05,467
[ cheers and applause ]

1611
01:16:05,586 --> 01:16:13,242
♪♪

1612
01:16:13,244 --> 01:16:16,529
As soon as the rock starts
punching me, they boo him.

1613
01:16:16,689 --> 01:16:19,924
[ crowd booing ]

1614
01:16:19,951 --> 01:16:26,897
♪♪

1615
01:16:26,916 --> 01:16:29,125
Soon as I block a punch
and start making a comeback,

1616
01:16:29,243 --> 01:16:31,510
The whole place cheers.

1617
01:16:31,512 --> 01:16:36,406
[ cheers and applause ]

1618
01:16:36,426 --> 01:16:39,393
Certain baby faces,
and there were a bunch of them,

1619
01:16:39,395 --> 01:16:43,272
That were very upset
that we were getting cheered

1620
01:16:43,274 --> 01:16:45,733
And they all of a sudden
were getting booed.

1621
01:16:45,735 --> 01:16:48,394
I think the nwo, in my opinion,

1622
01:16:48,554 --> 01:16:51,997
Came in too hot and too strong,
all of a sudden.

1623
01:16:52,158 --> 01:16:55,701
Once vince saw what happened
at wrestlemania

1624
01:16:55,703 --> 01:17:00,247
With me and the rock...
Flew back to tampa the next day

1625
01:17:00,249 --> 01:17:04,418
Got my red and yellow stuff,
flew back to montreal.

1626
01:17:04,420 --> 01:17:06,712
♪♪

1627
01:17:06,714 --> 01:17:12,092
And I think that was pretty much
the end of the nwo.

1628
01:17:12,094 --> 01:17:14,061
It ended very quickly.

1629
01:17:14,063 --> 01:17:18,591
♪♪

1630
01:17:23,288 --> 01:17:24,472
[ rain pattering ]

1631
01:17:32,899 --> 01:17:35,632
-You're never gonna see
another bad guy like me, chico.

1632
01:17:35,652 --> 01:17:37,359
[ cheers and applause ]

1633
01:17:37,478 --> 01:17:40,321
-You want a war?

1634
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:42,882
You're gonna get one.

1635
01:17:42,909 --> 01:17:45,217
-Those in the regional
pro-wrestling community

1636
01:17:45,244 --> 01:17:47,978
Are sharing their thoughts
about wrestler scott hall,

1637
01:17:48,039 --> 01:17:50,706
Who died Monday
at the age of 63.

1638
01:17:50,825 --> 01:17:58,731
♪♪

1639
01:17:58,758 --> 01:18:00,474
-This is weird
because this is --

1640
01:18:00,476 --> 01:18:04,978
This is the first thing
we've done without scott.

1641
01:18:04,980 --> 01:18:07,481
-This weekend or this film?

1642
01:18:07,483 --> 01:18:11,652
-This, from talking about nwo.

1643
01:18:11,654 --> 01:18:14,004
He was my boy. Still is.

1644
01:18:14,065 --> 01:18:17,157
♪♪

1645
01:18:17,159 --> 01:18:19,643
It's funny, I was talking
to sean waltman the other day,

1646
01:18:19,762 --> 01:18:25,257
And it was just like, sometimes,
it's just like, he's not gone.

1647
01:18:25,284 --> 01:18:29,486
♪♪

1648
01:18:29,605 --> 01:18:31,931
I think that when
it came to scott and I,

1649
01:18:31,958 --> 01:18:36,627
You could always -- you could
tell we were having fun.

1650
01:18:36,746 --> 01:18:40,556
♪♪

1651
01:18:40,558 --> 01:18:42,800
Everything else on that show
might have been fake,

1652
01:18:42,918 --> 01:18:45,352
But our [bleep] was real.

1653
01:18:45,354 --> 01:18:47,596
As far as just the bond.

1654
01:18:47,715 --> 01:18:53,251
♪♪

1655
01:18:53,312 --> 01:18:56,755
People know
when something is real.

1656
01:18:56,816 --> 01:19:01,093
-The following short film
is produced

1657
01:19:01,095 --> 01:19:02,719
And directed by the outsiders.

1658
01:19:02,780 --> 01:19:06,056
-We hope you enjoy it. We did.
[ laughs ]

1659
01:19:06,117 --> 01:19:09,860
♪♪

1660
01:19:09,978 --> 01:19:12,304
And just all the time
we spent together.

1661
01:19:12,331 --> 01:19:19,311
♪♪

1662
01:19:19,338 --> 01:19:21,505
Give me a second.

1663
01:19:30,016 --> 01:19:33,158
This is, like,
the retired athlete.

1664
01:19:33,186 --> 01:19:35,327
They always say
when an athlete retires,

1665
01:19:35,354 --> 01:19:37,329
If he gets choked up,

1666
01:19:37,356 --> 01:19:39,815
It's better to say thank you
and walk away.

1667
01:19:43,362 --> 01:19:48,365
There's nothing worse
than seeing a...Man cry.

1668
01:20:07,603 --> 01:20:15,400
-The most impactful moment
I've had...In all of these years

1669
01:20:15,402 --> 01:20:19,038
Happened about maybe
five or six years ago.

1670
01:20:19,065 --> 01:20:23,183
I was in a comic-con
in phoenix...

1671
01:20:23,302 --> 01:20:27,154
And I was actually moderating
or hosting a panel.

1672
01:20:29,224 --> 01:20:30,849
What's it feel like
to be back in phoenix?

1673
01:20:30,910 --> 01:20:32,751
How long has it been
since you've been here?

1674
01:20:32,753 --> 01:20:34,912
-Man, I think one of
the last times was one of --

1675
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:36,646
When we did the nitros.

1676
01:20:36,666 --> 01:20:38,724
-Really? Yeah, that's what hulk
and jimmy said, too.

1677
01:20:38,751 --> 01:20:40,225
But, I mean, honestly,

1678
01:20:40,253 --> 01:20:43,261
I think that's
one of the last times for me.

1679
01:20:43,263 --> 01:20:46,323
-And there was a young lady.
Her name is amanda.

1680
01:20:46,384 --> 01:20:49,552
-You know,
I was her first crush.

1681
01:20:49,670 --> 01:20:51,904
-He was. He was my first crush.
-She told me that --

1682
01:20:51,931 --> 01:20:53,238
She told me that earlier today.

1683
01:20:53,266 --> 01:20:55,891
It made me feel so good!

1684
01:20:56,010 --> 01:21:00,079
-She told me this amazing story
about how

1685
01:21:00,106 --> 01:21:02,839
When she was a little kid...

1686
01:21:02,900 --> 01:21:05,417
She had a tough
family situation,

1687
01:21:05,444 --> 01:21:09,813
And the only time that she got
to spend with her dad --

1688
01:21:09,932 --> 01:21:11,982
I'll start...

1689
01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:14,668
[bleep] I start crying
every time I tell this story.

1690
01:21:14,670 --> 01:21:16,987
[ chuckles ] it's funny.

1691
01:21:17,105 --> 01:21:18,488
♪♪

1692
01:21:18,607 --> 01:21:21,433
[ clears throat ]

1693
01:21:21,460 --> 01:21:23,602
She said the only time
she ever had

1694
01:21:23,629 --> 01:21:28,440
To really have...
Father-daughter time

1695
01:21:28,467 --> 01:21:33,112
Was on Monday nights because
he worked different jobs.

1696
01:21:33,139 --> 01:21:35,598
And he was an alcoholic.
He had issues.

1697
01:21:35,716 --> 01:21:39,451
But on Monday nights,
that was father-daughter time.

1698
01:21:39,478 --> 01:21:42,012
They'd watch nitro.

1699
01:21:42,130 --> 01:21:44,414
Loved the nwo.

1700
01:21:44,416 --> 01:21:46,216
And when she told me
that story, it was like,

1701
01:21:46,277 --> 01:21:48,852
"oh, god, stop." you know?

1702
01:21:48,971 --> 01:21:53,540
1,500 people here watching me
cry like -- like a baby.

1703
01:21:53,542 --> 01:21:55,025
And, you know,
that was the end of it.

1704
01:21:55,143 --> 01:21:56,468
I got away from that show.
It was over. It was done.

1705
01:21:56,495 --> 01:21:59,471
It was, you know, a nice story.

1706
01:21:59,498 --> 01:22:03,809
And, of course, she finds a way
to track me down,

1707
01:22:03,836 --> 01:22:06,036
And she sent my wife an e-mail

1708
01:22:06,154 --> 01:22:11,349
And really went into detail
about that same story

1709
01:22:11,351 --> 01:22:13,318
And said, "look, you know,
my mother's no longer here.

1710
01:22:13,346 --> 01:22:15,562
My father's no longer here.

1711
01:22:15,564 --> 01:22:17,247
I'm getting married."

1712
01:22:17,308 --> 01:22:19,324
♪♪

1713
01:22:19,352 --> 01:22:20,826
[bleep]

1714
01:22:20,853 --> 01:22:22,895
[ chuckles ]

1715
01:22:23,055 --> 01:22:25,898
"would eric
walk me down the aisle?"

1716
01:22:26,058 --> 01:22:29,409
[ chuckles ]

1717
01:22:29,411 --> 01:22:32,988
And...Of course I said yes.

1718
01:22:33,107 --> 01:22:35,340
♪♪

1719
01:22:35,368 --> 01:22:39,511
I walked her down the aisle,
and that's when I realized...

1720
01:22:39,538 --> 01:22:41,513
♪♪

1721
01:22:41,540 --> 01:22:43,757
...Stuff has a bigger impact
on people

1722
01:22:43,759 --> 01:22:47,019
Than you realize
when you're doing it.

1723
01:22:47,046 --> 01:22:49,746
When you hear a story
about how...

1724
01:22:49,865 --> 01:22:53,358
What we did
actually brought people together

1725
01:22:53,386 --> 01:22:57,921
And created bonds,
made it way more meaningful.

1726
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:07,856
♪♪

1727
01:23:07,975 --> 01:23:11,360
-What do you think
the legacy of nwo is?

1728
01:23:12,863 --> 01:23:15,547
[ cheers and applause ]

1729
01:23:15,574 --> 01:23:17,441
♪♪

1730
01:23:17,559 --> 01:23:22,353
-You know who I am,
but you don't know why I'm here.

1731
01:23:22,415 --> 01:23:25,982
-The legacy of the nwo
is innovation.

1732
01:23:26,043 --> 01:23:28,760
It's inventing a new way
of telling stories.

1733
01:23:28,762 --> 01:23:31,429
-The most historic 48 hours...

1734
01:23:31,431 --> 01:23:32,631
-This wasn't just
a group of people.

1735
01:23:32,791 --> 01:23:34,958
This was an idea.

1736
01:23:35,077 --> 01:23:39,370
[ cheers and applause ]

1737
01:23:39,432 --> 01:23:41,907
It became a part of pop culture

1738
01:23:41,934 --> 01:23:46,169
In a way that
we hadn't really seen before.

1739
01:23:46,188 --> 01:23:48,780
♪♪

1740
01:23:48,782 --> 01:23:52,526
-It is my pleasure to welcome
to the wwe hall of fame

1741
01:23:52,644 --> 01:23:56,621
Class of 2020,
hulk hogan, scott hall,

1742
01:23:56,623 --> 01:24:02,319
Kevin nash, and sean waltman,
the nwo!

1743
01:24:02,437 --> 01:24:06,765
-It really was bigger
than I ever dreamed it would be.

1744
01:24:06,792 --> 01:24:09,292
-New -- new world order.

1745
01:24:09,411 --> 01:24:12,496
[ cheers and applause ]

1746
01:24:12,614 --> 01:24:15,957
♪♪

1747
01:24:16,076 --> 01:24:19,762
-I think one of the most
touching things in my career

1748
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:23,282
Is the fact that you go out
and you do personal appearances

1749
01:24:23,309 --> 01:24:26,009
And you look,
and there's a line of people.

1750
01:24:26,128 --> 01:24:30,113
And 80% of those people
got nwo shirts on.

1751
01:24:30,115 --> 01:24:32,699
There's a 5-year-old kid
who walks up in front of you,

1752
01:24:32,701 --> 01:24:34,518
And he goes like this.

1753
01:24:34,678 --> 01:24:37,296
He's got his nwo shirt on.

1754
01:24:37,323 --> 01:24:38,872
You say to yourself,

1755
01:24:38,874 --> 01:24:42,618
"wow, man, this nwo thing
is for life."

1756
01:24:42,736 --> 01:24:52,628
♪♪

1757
01:24:52,746 --> 01:25:02,638
♪♪

1758
01:25:02,756 --> 01:25:08,435
♪♪