1 00:00:01,210 --> 00:00:04,213 ♪ solemn music playing ♪ 2 00:00:08,258 --> 00:00:09,468 NIKOLE HANNAH-JONES: A few years ago, 3 00:00:09,468 --> 00:00:13,096 I visited my dad's home state of Mississippi for the first time. 4 00:00:13,805 --> 00:00:16,975 Mississippi is at once my ancestral land, 5 00:00:16,975 --> 00:00:19,811 and the sinister setting of any number of Hollywood movies, 6 00:00:19,811 --> 00:00:22,523 a villain in our national narrative. 7 00:00:22,523 --> 00:00:25,108 The place where a Black boy named Emmett Till 8 00:00:25,108 --> 00:00:30,072 was tossed into the Tallahatchie River with a cotton gin fan around his neck. 9 00:00:31,073 --> 00:00:32,950 And while I was there visiting, 10 00:00:32,950 --> 00:00:35,786 my family told me a story of fear and terror 11 00:00:35,786 --> 00:00:39,414 that so many Black families in the Deep South share. 12 00:00:39,957 --> 00:00:42,376 My great uncle Milton, my dad's namesake, 13 00:00:42,376 --> 00:00:43,877 just a boy at the time, 14 00:00:43,877 --> 00:00:46,296 committed the sin of walking through a white neighborhood 15 00:00:46,296 --> 00:00:48,131 that he wasn't working in. 16 00:00:49,216 --> 00:00:51,635 Two white teenagers in a car gave chase, 17 00:00:51,635 --> 00:00:53,762 trying to run him down. 18 00:00:54,221 --> 00:00:57,432 To escape, he jumped into the murky Tallahatchie. 19 00:00:58,267 --> 00:01:00,686 When he returned home, muddy and wet, 20 00:01:00,686 --> 00:01:03,146 chest heaving from panic and exertion, 21 00:01:03,146 --> 00:01:06,358 his mother was livid, consumed by fear. 22 00:01:06,859 --> 00:01:10,279 "You're going to get yourself killed," she said. 23 00:01:11,113 --> 00:01:14,032 That day, the Tallahatchie had been his escape. 24 00:01:14,032 --> 00:01:17,119 But for so many Black people, that same river had become 25 00:01:17,119 --> 00:01:21,331 the watery grave for those who dared breach the social order. 26 00:01:21,874 --> 00:01:26,503 Fear defined the Mississippi Delta, and all those who lived within it. 27 00:01:27,462 --> 00:01:30,299 But Black people's everyday fear of white violence 28 00:01:30,299 --> 00:01:35,012 was itself the product of another type of fear: white fear. 29 00:01:35,012 --> 00:01:37,264 White fear of Black progress, 30 00:01:37,264 --> 00:01:39,975 prosperity and freedom. 31 00:01:40,267 --> 00:01:43,270 ♪ somber theme playing ♪ 32 00:02:04,166 --> 00:02:07,169 NIKOLE: This is The 1619 Project. 33 00:02:14,551 --> 00:02:17,179 ♪ tense music playing ♪ 34 00:02:18,013 --> 00:02:20,849 NIKOLE: In 2017, a little more than two years before 35 00:02:20,849 --> 00:02:23,769 Ahmaud Arbery was murdered by white vigilantes, 36 00:02:23,769 --> 00:02:26,855 he was at a park sitting in his car on his day off 37 00:02:26,855 --> 00:02:29,483 when Glynn County police approached him. 38 00:02:30,275 --> 00:02:32,319 OFFICER: What's your name? - Ahmaud. 39 00:02:32,319 --> 00:02:33,612 OFFICER: What is it? - Ahmaud. 40 00:02:33,612 --> 00:02:35,030 OFFICER: Ahmaud? 41 00:02:35,572 --> 00:02:37,574 Whatchu doin' out here, man? [crosstalk] 42 00:02:37,574 --> 00:02:40,452 NIKOLE: The officer ran Ahmaud's ID through the system, 43 00:02:40,452 --> 00:02:43,288 questioned him, and searched him for weapons. 44 00:02:43,288 --> 00:02:46,166 - You botherin' me for nothin'. I work at Blue Beacon, bro. 45 00:02:46,166 --> 00:02:49,002 OFFICER: Where's Blue Beacon? - Blue Beacon is on Exit 29, man. 46 00:02:49,002 --> 00:02:51,171 OFFICER: Okay. Listen, man. I'm not-- - Fuck you talkin' about? 47 00:02:51,171 --> 00:02:53,298 OFFICER: I'm not here to ruin your day. 48 00:02:53,298 --> 00:02:55,467 I'm here to look for any kind of criminal activity. 49 00:02:55,467 --> 00:02:56,802 That's all I'm doing. - Criminal activity? 50 00:02:56,802 --> 00:02:59,096 I'm in a fuckin' park! I work! 51 00:02:59,096 --> 00:03:00,597 The fuck is you talkin' about? 52 00:03:00,597 --> 00:03:02,724 I fuckin' work. Check my damn history. OFFICER: Okay. 53 00:03:02,724 --> 00:03:04,101 - Go to my job. OFFICER: Okay. 54 00:03:04,101 --> 00:03:05,769 - Shit, call my job right now. I go to work! 55 00:03:05,769 --> 00:03:07,229 OFFICER: I don't need to call your job, man. 56 00:03:07,229 --> 00:03:08,897 [crosstalk] 57 00:03:08,897 --> 00:03:10,858 NIKOLE: A second officer arrived on the scene 58 00:03:10,858 --> 00:03:12,276 and tried to tase Ahmaud. 59 00:03:12,276 --> 00:03:13,819 [taser crackling] 60 00:03:13,819 --> 00:03:15,237 - Down! 61 00:03:15,237 --> 00:03:16,738 NIKOLE: But it malfunctioned. 62 00:03:16,738 --> 00:03:18,574 - I'm tryna chill on my day off, bro. OFFICER: I gotchu. 63 00:03:18,574 --> 00:03:20,284 - I'm up early in the morning trying to chill. 64 00:03:20,284 --> 00:03:23,745 OFFICER: I see, and I get that. I want-- I get wantin' to chill, too. 65 00:03:23,745 --> 00:03:25,289 But we get a lot of bad stuff happens out here. 66 00:03:25,289 --> 00:03:27,124 We get gang and drug activity. 67 00:03:27,124 --> 00:03:30,127 We get all kinds of stuff out here. - My name tied up in any of that? 68 00:03:30,127 --> 00:03:31,962 OFFICER: No, it is not. 69 00:03:31,962 --> 00:03:34,631 NIKOLE: Eventually, with no reason to detain him, 70 00:03:34,631 --> 00:03:36,383 they let him go. 71 00:03:36,383 --> 00:03:40,387 But the officer made clear why he stopped Ahmaud in the first place. 72 00:03:40,387 --> 00:03:41,680 OFFICER: But when you get up and start actin'-- 73 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,433 When you get up and start gettin' all crazy on me, 74 00:03:44,433 --> 00:03:46,018 it gets me-- it makes me a little bit nervous, 75 00:03:46,018 --> 00:03:46,977 you know what I mean? 76 00:03:46,977 --> 00:03:47,978 I'm not here to mess-- 77 00:03:47,978 --> 00:03:50,397 NIKOLE: As I watched this earlier video of Ahmaud, 78 00:03:50,397 --> 00:03:54,526 I wondered how many times he encountered this exact same experience 79 00:03:54,526 --> 00:03:58,238 of being questioned by white people who believed him suspicious, 80 00:03:58,238 --> 00:04:02,868 until, finally, in 2020, it cost him his life. 81 00:04:03,911 --> 00:04:08,207 These interactions constitute a part of daily life for Black Americans. 82 00:04:08,207 --> 00:04:12,085 Suspicion, mistrust, and fear of Black people, 83 00:04:12,085 --> 00:04:16,965 and in particular, Black men, is a phenomena as old as this nation. 84 00:04:16,965 --> 00:04:19,426 GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: This guy looks like he's up to no good, 85 00:04:19,426 --> 00:04:21,094 or he's on drugs or somethin'. 86 00:04:21,094 --> 00:04:24,890 It's raining, and he's just walking around, looking about. 87 00:04:24,890 --> 00:04:27,267 OFFICER: Are you following him? ZIMMERMAN: Yeah. 88 00:04:27,267 --> 00:04:29,186 OFFICER: Okay, we don't need you to do that. 89 00:04:29,186 --> 00:04:30,896 - Get out the car! OFFICER: Get out now! 90 00:04:30,896 --> 00:04:32,773 - I have not committed any crimes. 91 00:04:32,773 --> 00:04:34,566 - What are you, a specialist, corporal? What are you? 92 00:04:34,566 --> 00:04:35,984 - I'm a lieutenant. 93 00:04:35,984 --> 00:04:38,320 NIKOLE: And in so many devastating cases, 94 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,531 we've seen how it can be fatal. 95 00:04:40,531 --> 00:04:42,783 REPORTER 1: Michael Dunn is charged with murder. 96 00:04:42,783 --> 00:04:44,660 Dunn admitted to firing his weapon, 97 00:04:44,660 --> 00:04:46,203 but said he did it in self-defense 98 00:04:46,203 --> 00:04:48,830 after he says he was threatened by the teens. 99 00:04:48,830 --> 00:04:50,207 REPORTER 2: Officer Shelby's attorney says 100 00:04:50,207 --> 00:04:52,084 she thought Crutcher was reaching into his vehicle 101 00:04:52,084 --> 00:04:55,420 while refusing to comply with her orders to "get on the ground." 102 00:04:55,420 --> 00:04:58,090 REPORTER 3: Officer Yanez took the stand in his own defense 103 00:04:58,090 --> 00:05:00,634 saying, "I did not want to shoot Mr. Castile. 104 00:05:00,634 --> 00:05:02,219 "It was not my intention. 105 00:05:02,219 --> 00:05:05,222 I was scared to death and I thought I would die." 106 00:05:05,222 --> 00:05:08,767 He said Castile matched the description of a robbery suspect, 107 00:05:08,767 --> 00:05:12,896 that he smelled marijuana, and saw Castile reach for a gun. 108 00:05:15,023 --> 00:05:16,650 NIKOLE: Today, we are inundated with scenes 109 00:05:16,650 --> 00:05:20,112 of police and vigilante violence against Black Americans. 110 00:05:20,362 --> 00:05:23,991 And we can trace this epidemic of brutality to slavery, 111 00:05:23,991 --> 00:05:27,202 when white people desperately sought to control those they enslaved 112 00:05:27,202 --> 00:05:31,248 out of fear they would rise up and fight for their own freedom. 113 00:05:31,790 --> 00:05:35,419 It's a fear that has shaped our nation's politics, culture, 114 00:05:35,419 --> 00:05:38,172 and systems of justice ever since. 115 00:05:38,172 --> 00:05:42,676 From modern-day policing, surveillance, and mass criminalization 116 00:05:42,676 --> 00:05:46,221 to white vigilante violence, and "know your place" aggression. 117 00:05:46,221 --> 00:05:49,683 REPORTER: Teresa Klein accused a nine-year-old boy of sexual assault. 118 00:05:50,184 --> 00:05:52,394 NIKOLE: Reflecting a deeply rooted fear, 119 00:05:52,394 --> 00:05:55,063 not merely of Black crime or Black people... 120 00:05:55,063 --> 00:05:57,065 - I am not an animal! 121 00:05:57,608 --> 00:06:00,652 NIKOLE: ...but of Black liberation and equality. 122 00:06:00,652 --> 00:06:04,531 And that fear stretches all the way back to the colonial era, 123 00:06:04,531 --> 00:06:06,950 before our nation's founding. 124 00:06:11,788 --> 00:06:13,999 So, Professor Alexander, I want you to help us 125 00:06:13,999 --> 00:06:17,461 understand the atmosphere of, of fear. 126 00:06:17,461 --> 00:06:22,758 - The colonists are incredibly fearful of a variety of things, right? 127 00:06:22,758 --> 00:06:25,552 They are fearful of what they consider to be, 128 00:06:25,552 --> 00:06:29,306 sort of, foreign enemies, Native Americans, 129 00:06:29,306 --> 00:06:34,895 but their primary fear is centered towards the enslaved African population 130 00:06:34,895 --> 00:06:38,273 because understandably and justifiably, 131 00:06:38,273 --> 00:06:41,276 enslaved people do not want to be enslaved. 132 00:06:41,276 --> 00:06:45,572 As much as white colonists tried to pretend that slavery 133 00:06:45,572 --> 00:06:49,159 was a reasonable and justifiable institution, 134 00:06:49,159 --> 00:06:52,454 they knew very clearly that the system was wrong, 135 00:06:52,454 --> 00:06:53,956 that it was immoral. 136 00:06:53,956 --> 00:06:58,502 In their minds, they even understood that it violated the Law of God. 137 00:06:58,502 --> 00:07:02,881 And they knew that some type of reckoning was eventually going to come. 138 00:07:02,881 --> 00:07:04,633 ♪ 139 00:07:06,176 --> 00:07:09,805 NIKOLE: In August of 1791, that fear of a reckoning 140 00:07:09,805 --> 00:07:12,641 that so terrified white Americans came true 141 00:07:12,641 --> 00:07:17,312 when a slave revolt on the island of Saint-Domingue, now present-day Haiti, 142 00:07:17,312 --> 00:07:20,190 quickly grew to a full-fledged revolution. 143 00:07:21,108 --> 00:07:24,152 The French had enslaved nearly half a million Africans there, 144 00:07:24,152 --> 00:07:28,365 and within weeks, almost every plantation on the island had burned. 145 00:07:29,491 --> 00:07:31,827 - Now, this creates, as you might imagine, 146 00:07:31,827 --> 00:07:37,207 terror, not just in the Caribbean and in the other French holdings, 147 00:07:37,207 --> 00:07:43,130 but across the entire Atlantic world and certainly into the United States. 148 00:07:43,505 --> 00:07:47,593 George Washington is panicking. Alexander Hamilton is panicking. 149 00:07:47,593 --> 00:07:48,969 Thomas Jefferson is panicking... 150 00:07:48,969 --> 00:07:51,597 - Why are they panicking, because they-- - ...about what this revolt might mean. 151 00:07:51,597 --> 00:07:53,515 - they believe in rising up, 152 00:07:53,515 --> 00:07:55,851 um, and revolting against your oppressors. 153 00:07:56,852 --> 00:07:59,813 The Black people of Saint-Domingue won their revolution, 154 00:07:59,813 --> 00:08:02,691 becoming the first enslaved people in the history of the world 155 00:08:02,691 --> 00:08:07,654 to successfully overthrow their enslavers and establish their own nation. 156 00:08:07,654 --> 00:08:11,700 In 1804, they founded Haiti as the world's first Black republic, 157 00:08:11,700 --> 00:08:15,621 and became the first country in the Americas to abolish slavery. 158 00:08:15,621 --> 00:08:20,167 The existence of a free Black society so close to our slave-holding republic 159 00:08:20,167 --> 00:08:22,836 consumed many white Americans with fear. 160 00:08:23,629 --> 00:08:25,339 As Thomas Jefferson wrote, 161 00:08:25,339 --> 00:08:27,049 "We have the wolf by the ear, 162 00:08:27,049 --> 00:08:30,385 "and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go. 163 00:08:30,385 --> 00:08:34,806 Justice is in one scale, and self-preservation in the other." 164 00:08:35,390 --> 00:08:37,809 The Haitian Revolution provides that inspiration 165 00:08:37,809 --> 00:08:40,687 that the white colonists feared. - It absolutely does. 166 00:08:40,687 --> 00:08:46,276 The founding fathers are imagining revolt and rebellion 167 00:08:46,276 --> 00:08:50,072 as this contagious, cancerous disease 168 00:08:50,072 --> 00:08:53,700 that is not going to be contained within the boundaries of Saint-Domingue, 169 00:08:53,700 --> 00:08:55,369 but is going to spread. 170 00:08:55,369 --> 00:09:00,290 So, in the United States, during and following the Haitian Revolution, 171 00:09:00,290 --> 00:09:04,169 we see a wave, a crackdown of laws taking place 172 00:09:04,169 --> 00:09:08,257 trying to repress the enslaved population. 173 00:09:09,216 --> 00:09:12,219 NIKOLE: In an effort to maintain the social and economic order, 174 00:09:12,219 --> 00:09:14,930 and to stifle the potential for revolt, 175 00:09:14,930 --> 00:09:17,391 white Americans enacted harsh slave codes 176 00:09:17,391 --> 00:09:20,102 to police the behavior of the Black population, 177 00:09:20,102 --> 00:09:22,312 enslaved and free alike. 178 00:09:22,312 --> 00:09:24,940 Codes that restricted the movements of Black people, 179 00:09:24,940 --> 00:09:27,651 prohibited them from owning weapons of any kind, 180 00:09:27,651 --> 00:09:31,530 and outlawed their right to assemble and worship in various ways, 181 00:09:31,530 --> 00:09:34,783 the very freedoms at the heart of our democracy. 182 00:09:34,783 --> 00:09:37,911 - One of the laws that has struck and haunted me 183 00:09:37,911 --> 00:09:40,330 since the time I first encountered it 184 00:09:40,330 --> 00:09:42,249 is a law that was passed in Charleston 185 00:09:42,249 --> 00:09:46,044 essentially saying that enslaved and free Black people 186 00:09:46,044 --> 00:09:51,592 are not allowed to participate in any kind of expression of joy. 187 00:09:51,592 --> 00:09:56,096 So, every imaginable aspect of enslaved people's lives 188 00:09:56,096 --> 00:10:00,934 is being surveilled, policed, and controlled. 189 00:10:00,934 --> 00:10:04,563 - So, the white politicians are passing all of these laws 190 00:10:04,563 --> 00:10:06,607 and all of these restrictions on Black life, 191 00:10:06,607 --> 00:10:09,151 but they don't do any good if you don't have anyone to enforce them. 192 00:10:09,151 --> 00:10:10,152 - Right. 193 00:10:10,152 --> 00:10:14,615 - So you also then see the establishment of a new system of law enforcement 194 00:10:14,615 --> 00:10:17,159 that would come to be known as the slave patrols. 195 00:10:17,618 --> 00:10:21,288 Slave patrols began as an informal means of policing the enslaved, 196 00:10:21,288 --> 00:10:24,041 but as white fears of the enslaved population grew, 197 00:10:24,041 --> 00:10:26,210 the patrols became government-sponsored, 198 00:10:26,210 --> 00:10:29,338 and officials made white participation mandatory. 199 00:10:29,338 --> 00:10:33,342 These patrols helped form the foundation of modern policing. 200 00:10:33,842 --> 00:10:37,930 - If you were a white person, a free citizen in the colonies, 201 00:10:37,930 --> 00:10:40,307 if you refuse to participate in the slave patrol, 202 00:10:40,307 --> 00:10:42,267 you would have to pay heavy fines. - Mm. 203 00:10:42,267 --> 00:10:45,771 - So, it's literally an indication, right, 204 00:10:45,771 --> 00:10:48,607 of citizenship and of whiteness... - Mm-hmm. 205 00:10:48,607 --> 00:10:50,400 - ...to participate in the slave patrols. 206 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,611 - So, what we're seeing is really 207 00:10:52,611 --> 00:10:55,364 the imprinting of this on the American psyche. 208 00:10:55,364 --> 00:10:59,243 That... any type of gathering of Black people, they could be plotting. 209 00:10:59,243 --> 00:11:01,411 If they're going to church, they're plotting in the church. 210 00:11:01,411 --> 00:11:02,496 If there's three people gathering... - Yes. 211 00:11:02,496 --> 00:11:03,413 - ...they're plotting, 212 00:11:03,413 --> 00:11:08,210 so that we begin, collectively, to think every time you see Black people 213 00:11:08,210 --> 00:11:10,254 doing something, you should be watching them. - Yes. 214 00:11:11,296 --> 00:11:13,799 REPORTER: New video from the NYPD shows that woman 215 00:11:13,799 --> 00:11:16,134 tackling that 14-year-old boy 216 00:11:16,134 --> 00:11:19,054 she falsely accused of stealing her cell phone. 217 00:11:19,054 --> 00:11:21,348 WOMAN: She callin' police on a 8-year-old little girl. 218 00:11:21,348 --> 00:11:24,601 You can hide all you want. The whole world gon' see you, boo. 219 00:11:24,601 --> 00:11:27,688 - Yeah, and, um, illegally selling water without a permit. 220 00:11:27,688 --> 00:11:28,772 Yeah. WOMAN: On my property. 221 00:11:28,772 --> 00:11:30,274 - It's not your property. 222 00:11:30,274 --> 00:11:31,817 CHRISTIAN COOPER: Please call the cops. 223 00:11:31,817 --> 00:11:33,610 - I'm gonna tell them there's an African-American man 224 00:11:33,610 --> 00:11:34,486 threatening my life. 225 00:11:34,486 --> 00:11:35,946 CHRISTIAN: Please tell them whatever you like. 226 00:11:36,655 --> 00:11:39,867 NIKOLE: The slave patrols deputized white people and conditioned them 227 00:11:39,867 --> 00:11:43,161 to see all Black people and their behavior as suspicious. 228 00:11:43,161 --> 00:11:45,664 And today, we see example after example 229 00:11:45,664 --> 00:11:49,251 of how American society has internalized this distrust. 230 00:11:49,251 --> 00:11:53,005 - [indistinct]. I'm being threatened by a man in The Ramble. 231 00:11:53,005 --> 00:11:55,299 Please send the cops immediately. 232 00:11:55,299 --> 00:11:57,217 NIKOLE: People of all races and backgrounds 233 00:11:57,217 --> 00:11:59,303 have been conditioned to fear Black people. 234 00:11:59,303 --> 00:12:01,597 MAN: There's a suspicious person in the yard, 235 00:12:01,597 --> 00:12:03,473 and if you're not gon' to identify yourself-- 236 00:12:03,473 --> 00:12:05,184 - I don't have to identify myself. 237 00:12:05,184 --> 00:12:07,102 I live right over there across the street. 238 00:12:07,102 --> 00:12:08,854 NIKOLE: But it is mostly white Americans 239 00:12:08,854 --> 00:12:13,233 who take it upon themselves, again and again, to police Black lives. 240 00:12:13,233 --> 00:12:15,277 MAN: Get out my face. Get out my face. - I'm not in your face! 241 00:12:15,277 --> 00:12:17,905 Get outta my neighborhood, fuckwad! MAN: Who got a gun? Who got a gun? 242 00:12:17,905 --> 00:12:20,866 Who got the gun? - The guy who's got a permit to carry. 243 00:12:20,866 --> 00:12:23,202 MAN: You got a gun? - You're the one that would get a gun! 244 00:12:23,202 --> 00:12:23,952 MAN: All right. 245 00:12:23,952 --> 00:12:26,079 PROFESSOR LESLIE ALEXANDER: It's a legacy of the colonial era, 246 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:30,876 but it's one that extends long beyond the American revolution, 247 00:12:30,876 --> 00:12:34,379 that every white person should be participating in the policing 248 00:12:34,379 --> 00:12:40,093 and surveilling of en-- the enslaved and free Black population. 249 00:12:40,093 --> 00:12:43,722 Being a good member of the white community 250 00:12:43,722 --> 00:12:46,767 is to be constantly on the lookout 251 00:12:46,767 --> 00:12:50,771 for any type of suspicious behavior among Black people. 252 00:12:50,771 --> 00:12:55,859 And it has become a type of historical memory, right, 253 00:12:55,859 --> 00:12:58,779 that consciously and unconsciously, 254 00:12:58,779 --> 00:13:01,448 gets passed down from generation to generation. 255 00:13:01,448 --> 00:13:03,450 ♪ 256 00:13:06,119 --> 00:13:08,539 - Father and son are now facing murder charges 257 00:13:08,539 --> 00:13:12,292 after the death of a man who was running in Georgia. 258 00:13:12,292 --> 00:13:15,295 NIKOLE: We all know how Ahmaud Arbery's story ends. 259 00:13:15,879 --> 00:13:18,924 In 2020, he went on a run through the mostly white neighborhood 260 00:13:18,924 --> 00:13:23,262 of Satilla Shores, just two miles from his house in Brunswick, Georgia. 261 00:13:23,262 --> 00:13:26,682 A resident saw him and began to chase him in his truck. 262 00:13:26,682 --> 00:13:27,891 REPORTER: According to a police report, 263 00:13:27,891 --> 00:13:31,478 the father, Gregory McMichael, said there had been several break-ins 264 00:13:31,478 --> 00:13:32,479 in the neighborhood, 265 00:13:32,479 --> 00:13:37,109 and a man he viewed as "the suspect" was running down the street. 266 00:13:37,568 --> 00:13:39,778 NIKOLE: A jury found Travis and Gregory McMichael 267 00:13:39,778 --> 00:13:41,697 guilty of his murder, 268 00:13:41,697 --> 00:13:44,700 but that accountability is the exception, not the rule, 269 00:13:45,158 --> 00:13:48,787 particularly when Black people die at the hands of police. 270 00:13:52,583 --> 00:13:54,585 ♪ 271 00:13:59,381 --> 00:14:01,800 CECIL HAYES: Black people love harder 272 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,971 on the strength that we're so devalued, 273 00:14:05,971 --> 00:14:07,764 it's almost like we love harder 274 00:14:07,764 --> 00:14:11,393 because it's a lot harder for us to be loved. 275 00:14:13,145 --> 00:14:16,106 Every time I leave the house, I tell my wife and my kids I love 'em. 276 00:14:16,106 --> 00:14:20,194 They tell me they love me because what we do understand is 277 00:14:20,194 --> 00:14:23,405 we could walk out this door and never see each other again. 278 00:14:24,072 --> 00:14:27,826 As a Black father, you don't ever wanna get that call. 279 00:14:27,826 --> 00:14:31,580 I let my kid walk down the street, I let my kid go over here, 280 00:14:31,580 --> 00:14:36,251 and, you know, for whatever reason, the police came through and killed him. 281 00:14:36,251 --> 00:14:40,255 I think about that every single day. 282 00:14:40,255 --> 00:14:42,174 Because, just looking at all the video, 283 00:14:42,174 --> 00:14:45,427 the police don't shoot once, they don't shoot twice. 284 00:14:45,427 --> 00:14:49,515 REPORTER 1: Police officers shot an unarmed Black man 20 times. 285 00:14:49,515 --> 00:14:52,559 REPORTER 2: Sixteen times. REPORTER 3: At least 60 times. 286 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:54,436 CECIL: They unload entire clips, 287 00:14:54,436 --> 00:14:56,563 and then they look and see what they did. 288 00:14:57,856 --> 00:14:59,066 And that's the fear. 289 00:14:59,066 --> 00:15:00,651 It's not just the fear of gettin' shot, 290 00:15:00,651 --> 00:15:03,278 it's the fear of getting your body obliterated. 291 00:15:04,696 --> 00:15:09,701 Every day is like playing chess when you walk out the house. 292 00:15:16,416 --> 00:15:18,418 ♪ 293 00:15:27,678 --> 00:15:29,680 REPORTER 1: We are continuing to push for answers 294 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,558 about the security guard shot and killed by a police officer 295 00:15:32,558 --> 00:15:33,934 in South Suburban Robbins. 296 00:15:33,934 --> 00:15:36,687 REPORTER 2: A 26-year-old father was working security 297 00:15:36,687 --> 00:15:38,105 at Manny's Luxury Lounge. 298 00:15:38,105 --> 00:15:39,189 REPORTER 3: People in the crowd 299 00:15:39,189 --> 00:15:42,609 yelled to arriving police that Roberson was a guard. 300 00:15:42,609 --> 00:15:45,904 Still, one responding officer shot him, 301 00:15:45,904 --> 00:15:48,448 who later died at the hospital. 302 00:15:48,448 --> 00:15:49,867 - You shot him and he with us! 303 00:15:49,867 --> 00:15:52,828 - You a racist muthafucka. Take your ass-- - Him right here! 304 00:15:52,828 --> 00:15:55,038 I told him. He with us! 305 00:15:55,038 --> 00:15:57,165 NIKOLE: On November 11, 2018, 306 00:15:57,165 --> 00:16:00,127 Jemel Roberson's life was tragically cut short 307 00:16:00,127 --> 00:16:03,547 when a police officer made a split-second decision. 308 00:16:03,547 --> 00:16:05,549 [indistinct chatter] 309 00:16:08,552 --> 00:16:12,139 That fatal night began when a fight between patrons broke out, 310 00:16:12,139 --> 00:16:14,558 and gunfire erupted in the club. 311 00:16:15,267 --> 00:16:17,102 DISPATCHER 1: 911, what's your emergency? 312 00:16:17,102 --> 00:16:19,438 PERSON 1: We need the police to the Manny's Blue Room. 313 00:16:19,438 --> 00:16:20,689 There's been shots fired. 314 00:16:20,689 --> 00:16:21,940 DISPATCHER 1: Okay. PERSON 1: Inside the club. 315 00:16:21,940 --> 00:16:22,816 DISPATCHER 1: Okay. 316 00:16:22,816 --> 00:16:24,902 DISPATCHER 2: 911, what's your emergency? 317 00:16:24,902 --> 00:16:27,571 PERSON 2: Hello, I've been shot! Please! DISPATCHER 2: Where are you at? 318 00:16:27,571 --> 00:16:30,282 Where are you at? PERSON 2: I'm at Manny's Blue Room! 319 00:16:30,282 --> 00:16:32,910 - I didn't know what was goin' on. I just seen the op-- altercation. 320 00:16:32,910 --> 00:16:34,119 I just heard it. 321 00:16:34,661 --> 00:16:37,456 You have Jemel and, like, three other security guards 322 00:16:37,456 --> 00:16:39,333 who had to grab three people. 323 00:16:39,333 --> 00:16:41,335 It was so many people they was tryin' to put out. 324 00:16:41,335 --> 00:16:43,337 [person shouting] 325 00:16:44,129 --> 00:16:45,631 - Another guy reaches over me. 326 00:16:45,631 --> 00:16:48,926 I didn't see his face, I didn't see his hair, none of that. 327 00:16:48,926 --> 00:16:50,594 And he starts shooting. 328 00:16:50,594 --> 00:16:52,179 [gunshots] [person screams] 329 00:16:52,179 --> 00:16:53,222 - He just shot into the club. 330 00:16:53,222 --> 00:16:55,516 He didn't give a fuck who he was shootin' at. 331 00:16:55,516 --> 00:16:59,144 He didn't give a damn 'bout nobody life at that time or nothing. 332 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,772 I tried to wrestle a gun from him. 333 00:17:01,772 --> 00:17:04,942 Well, that's how I end up gettin' shot in my thumb and my forearm. 334 00:17:05,859 --> 00:17:08,946 NIKOLE: In the midst of the chaos, Jemel bravely borrowed a firearm 335 00:17:08,946 --> 00:17:10,572 from a fellow security guard, 336 00:17:10,572 --> 00:17:13,200 and apprehended a suspect in the parking lot. 337 00:17:14,701 --> 00:17:17,704 LEE MERRITT: The other security guards began to clear the scene, 338 00:17:17,704 --> 00:17:20,415 officers who were present at the scene began to respond. 339 00:17:20,415 --> 00:17:22,835 These are officers from Robbins, Illinois. 340 00:17:22,835 --> 00:17:25,796 And then other officers were being called to the scene. 341 00:17:27,172 --> 00:17:30,259 NIKOLE: Ian Covey, a white officer from a nearby town, 342 00:17:30,259 --> 00:17:32,469 was among those who responded. 343 00:17:33,178 --> 00:17:36,223 LEE: All accounts say that by the time that Ian Covey, 344 00:17:36,223 --> 00:17:39,184 who was with the Midlothian Police Department, arrived, 345 00:17:39,935 --> 00:17:43,939 the scene, in and of itself, was beginning to calm down. 346 00:17:45,107 --> 00:17:47,442 - As I'm at the bar with my hand wrapped up and everything, 347 00:17:47,442 --> 00:17:52,239 a police officer, I don't know what, uh, station or city he was from at the time, 348 00:17:52,239 --> 00:17:56,785 he came in and got on top of the bar with a-an assault rifle. 349 00:17:56,785 --> 00:17:58,620 And I'm guessin' it was a AR-15. 350 00:17:58,620 --> 00:18:01,582 I don't know what it was, but it was an assault rifle, definitely. 351 00:18:01,582 --> 00:18:04,084 - Covey's not interacting with the other officers who are there. 352 00:18:04,084 --> 00:18:06,044 This is his opportunity to learn that 353 00:18:06,044 --> 00:18:08,422 those law enforcement officers who are present 354 00:18:08,422 --> 00:18:11,341 are coordinating with the security guards to secure the scene. 355 00:18:11,341 --> 00:18:14,469 Instead, he sort of takes matters into his own hands. 356 00:18:14,469 --> 00:18:16,138 He's looking around for a shooter, 357 00:18:16,138 --> 00:18:19,391 or for somebody to direct his energy towards. 358 00:18:19,391 --> 00:18:23,145 - We like, "All the trouble's outside. You in the wrong area." 359 00:18:23,145 --> 00:18:25,856 So, at the time, he goes out to the side door, 360 00:18:25,856 --> 00:18:27,399 and that's where he sees Jemel. 361 00:18:27,399 --> 00:18:31,028 So, when I went out there, he sees Jemel, he has his gun pointed at Jemel. 362 00:18:31,028 --> 00:18:34,323 Jemel has someone on the ground with a gun to his back, 363 00:18:34,323 --> 00:18:37,451 just holdin' him 'til he has his security team 364 00:18:37,451 --> 00:18:40,537 or the actual police come and help him, assist him. 365 00:18:40,537 --> 00:18:43,373 - And Officer Ian Covey approaches him from behind. 366 00:18:43,373 --> 00:18:46,251 From the descriptions that I've been able to gather, 367 00:18:46,251 --> 00:18:51,423 he's about, maybe, 10 feet away from Jemel when he shouts, "Drop the weapon." 368 00:18:51,423 --> 00:18:53,175 - And I hear everybody, "He's security, he's security." 369 00:18:53,175 --> 00:18:54,593 I'm standin' up right there. 370 00:18:54,593 --> 00:18:55,928 I'm yellin' the same thing. "He's security." 371 00:18:55,928 --> 00:18:58,055 He has his AR-15 pointed at him, 372 00:18:58,055 --> 00:19:00,516 "Freeze, drop the gun, drop the gun." 373 00:19:00,516 --> 00:19:02,684 We're yellin', "He's security, he's security." 374 00:19:02,684 --> 00:19:06,021 - But Officer Ian Covey opens fire on Jemel Roberson strikin' him 375 00:19:06,021 --> 00:19:07,814 in his back several times. 376 00:19:07,814 --> 00:19:11,944 - I don't think he gave Jemel enough time to respond to him 377 00:19:11,944 --> 00:19:15,697 far as givin' up, releasing the gun and everything. 378 00:19:15,697 --> 00:19:17,699 Hell, it wasn't even 10 seconds. 379 00:19:18,367 --> 00:19:22,371 Didn't even feel like it was 10 seconds. It just happened so fast. 380 00:19:23,997 --> 00:19:28,293 He, he died right in front of me. He, he got shot right in front of me. 381 00:19:28,293 --> 00:19:30,295 We all was in shock. 382 00:19:30,587 --> 00:19:32,589 PERSON: Why do you got your rifle out right now?! 383 00:19:32,589 --> 00:19:35,509 What threat do you see? Everything was clear. 384 00:19:35,509 --> 00:19:37,427 Everything was down, bro. 385 00:19:37,427 --> 00:19:40,722 He tell him to drop his gun. I'm tellin' him he workin' with us. 386 00:19:40,722 --> 00:19:43,225 "Cool out. He's workin' with us." 387 00:19:43,225 --> 00:19:48,856 He shot him, four or five times after we told him he's with us. 388 00:19:50,107 --> 00:19:52,901 - I think he shot Jemel because he thought Jemel was a threat. 389 00:19:52,901 --> 00:19:54,570 How big he was. 390 00:19:54,570 --> 00:19:56,864 And then he like, "Oh, he got on black clothes, 391 00:19:56,864 --> 00:19:58,866 so he might be a threat." 392 00:19:59,324 --> 00:20:02,744 REPORTER: The victim, with a big smile and an even bigger heart. 393 00:20:02,744 --> 00:20:07,749 This is a case that is starting to gain international media attention. 394 00:20:08,500 --> 00:20:10,127 NIKOLE: As is so often the case, 395 00:20:10,127 --> 00:20:12,379 the instant assessment of Jemel as a threat 396 00:20:12,379 --> 00:20:15,007 had nothing to do with who he actually was. 397 00:20:15,465 --> 00:20:17,509 DAUGHTER: Mom? - What? 398 00:20:17,509 --> 00:20:19,261 DAUGHTER: I love you. 399 00:20:19,595 --> 00:20:21,221 AVONTEA BOOSE: Be careful. 400 00:20:21,221 --> 00:20:24,933 NIKOLE: For people who won't be blessed to, to meet Jemel, 401 00:20:24,933 --> 00:20:27,269 just what, what kinda person was he? 402 00:20:27,269 --> 00:20:32,566 - He was a protector, he was funny, he was charming, lovable. 403 00:20:32,566 --> 00:20:35,194 NIKOLE: And he also was a musician, is that right? 404 00:20:35,194 --> 00:20:36,945 AVONTEA: Yeah. He used to go to church every-- NIKOLE: Tell me about that. 405 00:20:36,945 --> 00:20:39,573 So, he was faithful? - Faithful, faithful. 406 00:20:39,573 --> 00:20:42,701 Like, every Sunday, I'm like, "Ooh gosh. He's real good." 407 00:20:42,701 --> 00:20:45,537 'Cause, like, he had the little voice. Like, 'cause he had-- 408 00:20:45,537 --> 00:20:46,997 - Oh, he could sing, too? - A little bit. 409 00:20:46,997 --> 00:20:48,624 [both laughing] A little bit. 410 00:20:48,624 --> 00:20:49,666 NIKOLE: He was a better organ player 411 00:20:49,666 --> 00:20:51,376 than singer, huh? Okay. AVONTEA: Right, yeah. 412 00:20:51,919 --> 00:20:56,465 - [singing] ♪ Well, I'm singin' happy birthday ♪ 413 00:20:56,465 --> 00:21:00,135 ♪ Happy birthday to you ♪ 414 00:21:00,135 --> 00:21:04,139 ♪ I'm singing happy birthday, happy birthday ♪ 415 00:21:04,139 --> 00:21:06,767 GARRET TAYLOR: Every birthday, he always sing it to me. 416 00:21:06,767 --> 00:21:09,520 It was like a, a church hymn or somethin' like that. 417 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,564 That was like-- That's my favorite video to watch of him. 418 00:21:12,564 --> 00:21:15,317 Me and Jemel been knowing each other since, like, Pampers. 419 00:21:16,527 --> 00:21:18,195 - Garret, no! [indistinct] 420 00:21:18,195 --> 00:21:20,989 Garret, no. Garret, it's playoffs, bro. - I'm grown. I'm in college, I'm grown. 421 00:21:20,989 --> 00:21:23,158 My brother, my best friend. 422 00:21:23,158 --> 00:21:27,871 Like, everything he did was always lookin' out for the next person. 423 00:21:27,871 --> 00:21:31,166 Really didn't have to worry about anything with Jemel in the neighborhood 424 00:21:31,166 --> 00:21:33,794 'cause he was just so protective. 425 00:21:35,754 --> 00:21:37,172 NIKOLE: Jemel was so protective, 426 00:21:37,172 --> 00:21:39,633 that when Avontea's son Tristan was a baby, 427 00:21:39,633 --> 00:21:41,677 he cared for him as his own, 428 00:21:41,677 --> 00:21:44,429 and just 10 days before Jemel was killed, 429 00:21:44,429 --> 00:21:47,432 he and Avontea discovered they were pregnant. 430 00:21:47,432 --> 00:21:48,934 - He was excited-- - Was he? 431 00:21:48,934 --> 00:21:51,228 - Yes. He like, "Oh, I hope it's a girl." 432 00:21:51,228 --> 00:21:54,356 'Cause I'm like-- 'Cause he already-- He had Tristan. 433 00:21:54,356 --> 00:21:57,776 - So, Jemel was 26 years old. What were his dreams? 434 00:21:57,776 --> 00:21:58,986 What, what did he want? 435 00:21:58,986 --> 00:22:00,696 - He wanted to be a police officer. 436 00:22:00,696 --> 00:22:02,948 - Why did he wanna be a police officer? What was it? 437 00:22:02,948 --> 00:22:04,616 - He wanted to take the bad guys off the street. 438 00:22:04,616 --> 00:22:06,410 He wanted to make the streets a better place, 439 00:22:06,410 --> 00:22:09,037 wanna make sure the streets all good for my son. 440 00:22:09,371 --> 00:22:11,373 NIKOLE: But instead of becoming a police officer, 441 00:22:11,373 --> 00:22:13,166 Jemel was killed by one. 442 00:22:13,166 --> 00:22:15,460 And as it is with so many other cases, 443 00:22:15,460 --> 00:22:19,673 the officer who shot him was not held accountable for taking his life. 444 00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:24,970 - Officer Ian Covey's defense was similar to the kind of res-- defense 445 00:22:24,970 --> 00:22:28,932 that we hear in almost every single officer-involved shooting. 446 00:22:28,932 --> 00:22:30,934 He has to identify a deadly threat. 447 00:22:30,934 --> 00:22:35,147 In this case, he says that, obviously, Jemel Roberson was holding a gun, 448 00:22:35,147 --> 00:22:39,693 and that firearm was a potential deadly threat to him and to others. 449 00:22:39,693 --> 00:22:42,321 This is how they avoid accountability. 450 00:22:43,071 --> 00:22:47,117 - Officer Wilson, in his own words, saying he feared for his life. 451 00:22:47,993 --> 00:22:52,998 - The reason my client, Jason, fired his weapon that, that evening 452 00:22:52,998 --> 00:22:55,042 back in October 2014 453 00:22:55,042 --> 00:22:58,170 is that, um, he truly was in fear for his life. 454 00:22:58,170 --> 00:23:00,088 [radio chatter] [sirens wailing] 455 00:23:00,088 --> 00:23:01,798 NIKOLE: Those simple admissions: 456 00:23:01,798 --> 00:23:05,469 "I feared for my life," or, "I felt threatened," 457 00:23:05,469 --> 00:23:08,430 have given Americans, particularly law enforcement, 458 00:23:08,430 --> 00:23:10,265 license to kill. 459 00:23:10,807 --> 00:23:13,810 For police, it's a license that is protected by law 460 00:23:13,810 --> 00:23:15,979 under what's known as "qualified immunity," 461 00:23:15,979 --> 00:23:18,899 a legal rule that shields them from lawsuits that allege 462 00:23:18,899 --> 00:23:21,318 they violated a citizen's rights. 463 00:23:22,110 --> 00:23:25,656 REPORTER: The 12-year-old tried to show the cops his gun was fake, 464 00:23:25,656 --> 00:23:27,908 but the two officers didn't know that, 465 00:23:27,908 --> 00:23:29,618 and feared for their lives. 466 00:23:29,618 --> 00:23:31,828 There will be no indictment. 467 00:23:32,829 --> 00:23:35,916 NIKOLE: Both the tactics and the culture of modern-day policing 468 00:23:35,916 --> 00:23:40,254 have been significantly influenced by the legacy of slave patrols. 469 00:23:40,254 --> 00:23:42,464 Patrollers routinely broke into cabins 470 00:23:42,464 --> 00:23:45,259 searching for contraband, hunted for fugitives, 471 00:23:45,259 --> 00:23:48,554 and stopped and searched any Black person they deemed suspicious, 472 00:23:48,554 --> 00:23:51,056 often physically abusing them. 473 00:23:51,056 --> 00:23:54,977 Modern policing employs similar tactics including no-knock raids, 474 00:23:54,977 --> 00:23:57,563 the seizure of assets, and stop-and-frisk policies 475 00:23:57,563 --> 00:24:00,774 that were most famously used by the New York City police. 476 00:24:01,233 --> 00:24:03,235 ♪ 477 00:24:07,614 --> 00:24:10,951 So, Professor Alexander, we're standing here in New York City. 478 00:24:10,951 --> 00:24:14,037 This was the place where a federal judge ruled 479 00:24:14,037 --> 00:24:17,291 that Black people were being unconstitutionally stopped 480 00:24:17,291 --> 00:24:19,042 in what's called stop-and-frisk. - Yeah. 481 00:24:19,042 --> 00:24:22,588 - And so, it seems like from the time of slavery until now, 482 00:24:22,588 --> 00:24:26,675 the role of policing in Black communities has not been necessarily about serving. 483 00:24:26,675 --> 00:24:30,554 - When it comes to Black communities, historically and contemporarily, 484 00:24:30,554 --> 00:24:34,558 the role of the police has really been about surveillance and control. 485 00:24:36,059 --> 00:24:38,061 NIKOLE: The Civil War ended slavery, 486 00:24:38,061 --> 00:24:40,856 but it didn't reduce white fear of Black liberation, 487 00:24:40,856 --> 00:24:44,401 or end the perpetual quest for racial control. 488 00:24:44,651 --> 00:24:45,986 With slavery's demise, 489 00:24:45,986 --> 00:24:48,322 white people across classes and backgrounds 490 00:24:48,322 --> 00:24:51,658 feared economic ruin, a disordered social system, 491 00:24:51,658 --> 00:24:55,329 and most importantly, a loss of white political power. 492 00:24:56,538 --> 00:25:00,042 PROFESSOR ALEXANDER: After the Civil War, as slavery, 493 00:25:00,042 --> 00:25:04,213 as a social institution, starts to fade away, 494 00:25:04,213 --> 00:25:08,634 there's a desire across much of the South, as well as throughout the North, 495 00:25:08,634 --> 00:25:13,096 to make sure that Black people remain at the bottom of the social order. 496 00:25:13,597 --> 00:25:16,683 So, what you see is the rise of the Ku Klux Klan 497 00:25:16,683 --> 00:25:19,478 and other types of white supremacist organizations 498 00:25:19,478 --> 00:25:23,065 that take up the extra-legal approaches 499 00:25:23,065 --> 00:25:27,569 of keeping the Black community in its place while the police 500 00:25:27,569 --> 00:25:30,489 become a legalized, formalized way 501 00:25:30,489 --> 00:25:33,367 of monitoring and surveilling and maintaining 502 00:25:33,367 --> 00:25:35,827 control over the Black population. 503 00:25:36,703 --> 00:25:39,540 NIKOLE: For the next century, in the period of racial apartheid 504 00:25:39,540 --> 00:25:41,083 known as Jim Crow, 505 00:25:41,083 --> 00:25:45,087 law enforcement acted as the brazen legal arm of white supremacy. 506 00:25:45,546 --> 00:25:49,633 The white South maintained its social, economic and political dominance 507 00:25:49,633 --> 00:25:51,510 through wanton acts of violence, 508 00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:56,098 either by, or abetted by, local and state law enforcement. 509 00:25:56,723 --> 00:26:00,477 To many white Americans, the success of the civil rights movement, 510 00:26:00,477 --> 00:26:04,231 which ended explicit legal discrimination against Black Americans, 511 00:26:04,231 --> 00:26:07,568 signaled a turn into a post-racial society. 512 00:26:07,901 --> 00:26:10,904 But for Black Americans, what became clear is that 513 00:26:10,904 --> 00:26:14,992 racist structures that ordered our society for its first 350 years 514 00:26:14,992 --> 00:26:18,620 would not disappear simply because the laws changed. 515 00:26:18,954 --> 00:26:23,584 They adapted to new forms, and racism became more covert. 516 00:26:24,042 --> 00:26:29,006 A 2006 FBI assessment warned of the threat of white nationalists 517 00:26:29,006 --> 00:26:30,757 infiltrating law enforcement, 518 00:26:30,757 --> 00:26:33,927 and a 2022 Reuters investigation revealed 519 00:26:33,927 --> 00:26:37,556 that the presence of white supremacists and white supremacist thinking 520 00:26:37,556 --> 00:26:41,059 in U.S. law enforcement is still pervasive. 521 00:26:41,059 --> 00:26:43,687 REPORTER: An internal probe by the Wilmington Police Department 522 00:26:43,687 --> 00:26:47,941 reveals hate-filled conversations with three veteran officers. 523 00:26:48,108 --> 00:26:51,904 - So, in many ways, Black people, and particularly poor Black people, 524 00:26:51,904 --> 00:26:54,865 are still seen as an internal enemy in the United States. 525 00:26:54,865 --> 00:26:56,408 - I think very much so. 526 00:26:56,408 --> 00:26:59,703 Once slavery was over, American society has not been 527 00:26:59,703 --> 00:27:03,498 entirely sure what to do with the Black population. 528 00:27:03,498 --> 00:27:07,419 But we find ourselves, now, in contemporary society, in which, 529 00:27:07,419 --> 00:27:10,130 when Black people try to assert their rights 530 00:27:10,130 --> 00:27:12,758 in response to police conduct, 531 00:27:13,091 --> 00:27:17,304 the police respond with more and more aggressive violence. 532 00:27:21,141 --> 00:27:23,143 ♪ 533 00:27:23,143 --> 00:27:24,561 NIKOLE: When Frederick Douglass said, 534 00:27:24,561 --> 00:27:27,439 "If there is no struggle, there is no progress," 535 00:27:27,439 --> 00:27:29,149 he understood fully that Black demands 536 00:27:29,149 --> 00:27:30,609 for equality and justice 537 00:27:30,609 --> 00:27:33,820 to simply achieve the rights of any other American 538 00:27:33,820 --> 00:27:36,740 would be met with staunch resistance. 539 00:27:36,740 --> 00:27:39,535 He knew that the architecture of white supremacy 540 00:27:39,535 --> 00:27:42,162 would not come down without a fight. 541 00:27:42,162 --> 00:27:46,500 And so, non-violent, passive resistance, as a means of protest, was rewarded 542 00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:49,545 with the violent murders of movement leaders. 543 00:27:50,254 --> 00:27:52,756 Black power militancy was met with government efforts 544 00:27:52,756 --> 00:27:55,425 to destroy and discredit the organizations, 545 00:27:55,425 --> 00:27:59,054 and an increasingly militarized response by police. 546 00:27:59,721 --> 00:28:01,557 And yet, despite the high cost 547 00:28:01,557 --> 00:28:04,560 that the fear of Black equality has wrought on Black people, 548 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,271 our rebellions, our insistence on liberty, 549 00:28:07,271 --> 00:28:08,939 have never ceased. 550 00:28:09,273 --> 00:28:11,900 And it is no accident, that nearly always, 551 00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:16,029 these rebellions are in response to an act of police violence. 552 00:28:16,655 --> 00:28:19,658 Because police interact in Black communities every day, 553 00:28:19,658 --> 00:28:22,870 they are often seen as the face of larger systems of inequality 554 00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:27,875 in the justice system, employment, education, and housing. 555 00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:31,253 - The people have a right, they're totally justified 556 00:28:31,253 --> 00:28:34,464 in going out into the streets, takin' up arms, 557 00:28:34,464 --> 00:28:36,466 and dealin' with that situation. 558 00:28:37,426 --> 00:28:39,428 MAN: And so, this is the reason I feel the people are doin' this. 559 00:28:39,428 --> 00:28:44,558 they're trying to show that they are angry against the police brutality. 560 00:28:49,479 --> 00:28:51,481 [birds chirping] 561 00:28:54,234 --> 00:28:57,571 NIKOLE: The United States sees this wave of rebellions in Black communities 562 00:28:57,571 --> 00:29:00,991 leading up to the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King in 1968. 563 00:29:00,991 --> 00:29:05,037 And then we see more than a hundred rebellions in cities, big and small. 564 00:29:05,037 --> 00:29:08,832 What do these rebellions signal about the limits of 565 00:29:08,832 --> 00:29:11,919 and the frustration with nonviolent protest, 566 00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:13,462 um, for racial equality? 567 00:29:13,462 --> 00:29:18,509 - The thinking is we have tried for decades, if not centuries, 568 00:29:18,509 --> 00:29:21,303 through non-violent means, through direct action protests, 569 00:29:21,303 --> 00:29:24,014 through petitions, through boycotts 570 00:29:24,014 --> 00:29:27,559 to try to... achieve freedom and liberation, 571 00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:28,769 and that hasn't worked. 572 00:29:28,769 --> 00:29:34,316 So, for the generation that had watched the civil rights movement unfold, 573 00:29:34,316 --> 00:29:39,029 and were now in 1968 living in very much the same conditions, 574 00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:41,823 their tactics shifted, and logically so, 575 00:29:41,823 --> 00:29:44,243 to say, "Well, if you're gonna beat me up, 576 00:29:44,243 --> 00:29:48,914 "and I'm not getting any kind of recourse or justice from nonviolence, 577 00:29:48,914 --> 00:29:50,999 then I'm going to fight back." 578 00:29:50,999 --> 00:29:53,001 ♪ 579 00:29:53,544 --> 00:29:55,546 [sirens wailing] 580 00:29:59,716 --> 00:30:02,344 REPORTER 1: Newark, the summer of ‘67. 581 00:30:04,805 --> 00:30:07,057 Detroit, the summer of ‘67. 582 00:30:07,057 --> 00:30:09,852 Regular army troops moved into the nation's capital 583 00:30:09,852 --> 00:30:12,437 to protect strategic locations from the violence 584 00:30:12,437 --> 00:30:13,772 spreading through the city. 585 00:30:13,772 --> 00:30:16,275 REPORTER 2: From the air, the scene looked unreal, 586 00:30:16,275 --> 00:30:21,280 a row of fires in the middle of an otherwise tranquil city. 587 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,658 - What changes, then, as a result of this wave of rebellions? 588 00:30:24,658 --> 00:30:26,702 - The major shift that happens in '68 589 00:30:26,702 --> 00:30:29,496 is the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act. 590 00:30:29,496 --> 00:30:34,793 This legislation began what was several billion dollars, in today's money, 591 00:30:34,793 --> 00:30:39,089 investment into police and courts and prison systems. 592 00:30:39,089 --> 00:30:42,259 Most of this money going to the targeted expansion 593 00:30:42,259 --> 00:30:45,929 and militarization of police in the very same communities 594 00:30:45,929 --> 00:30:50,267 that had rebelled during the second half of the 1960s. 595 00:30:50,267 --> 00:30:55,272 The Act also begins the transfer of surplus military technologies 596 00:30:55,272 --> 00:30:58,692 from the army to local law enforcement. 597 00:31:01,904 --> 00:31:02,905 When Ferguson happened, 598 00:31:02,905 --> 00:31:05,449 and we saw all those armored tanks on the streets, 599 00:31:05,449 --> 00:31:08,577 people were like, "Where did this come from?" 600 00:31:08,577 --> 00:31:11,663 People assumed that it was the product of the war on terror. 601 00:31:11,663 --> 00:31:15,334 No, it's actually rooted in the Vietnam War 602 00:31:15,334 --> 00:31:19,338 and U.S. interventions in Latin America and the Caribbean. 603 00:31:20,214 --> 00:31:21,548 - Can we pause on that for a second 604 00:31:21,548 --> 00:31:24,176 because I think a lotta people will be shocked to learn 605 00:31:24,176 --> 00:31:28,597 that the military has all of this leftover weaponry from Vietnam. 606 00:31:29,223 --> 00:31:30,432 And the decision is 607 00:31:30,432 --> 00:31:35,938 that we will deploy that weaponry against American citizens who are Black. 608 00:31:35,938 --> 00:31:38,941 What does that say about the fear of Black people, 609 00:31:38,941 --> 00:31:42,027 and particularly Black rebellion, 610 00:31:42,027 --> 00:31:45,739 that they would transport weaponry that was used in war 611 00:31:45,739 --> 00:31:49,117 to put down rebellion amongst American citizens? 612 00:31:49,117 --> 00:31:53,497 - These rebellions are about access to decent healthcare, 613 00:31:53,497 --> 00:31:56,124 access to educational opportunities, 614 00:31:56,124 --> 00:31:59,545 um, they're demands about living in decent housing. 615 00:31:59,545 --> 00:32:01,171 They're about jobs. 616 00:32:01,171 --> 00:32:06,426 They're about full political and economic inclusion in U.S. society. 617 00:32:06,426 --> 00:32:09,346 And in labeling them as "riots," 618 00:32:09,346 --> 00:32:12,808 then they become nothing other than criminal acts. 619 00:32:12,808 --> 00:32:14,351 The strategies were not, 620 00:32:14,351 --> 00:32:17,479 "What are the larger social and economic forces 621 00:32:17,479 --> 00:32:19,898 that are causing this collective violence?" 622 00:32:19,898 --> 00:32:23,485 The response is, "We're gonna treat the Black community 623 00:32:23,485 --> 00:32:25,195 like we're treating the Viet Cong." 624 00:32:25,195 --> 00:32:27,406 We're gonna use helicopters, we're gonna use tanks. 625 00:32:27,406 --> 00:32:29,449 We're gonna have tanks rolling through Black neighborhoods. 626 00:32:29,449 --> 00:32:30,993 - Like, that's crazy. - Right. 627 00:32:30,993 --> 00:32:32,953 - Except... it's not. - Except, it's not 628 00:32:32,953 --> 00:32:37,791 because any threat to the established order 629 00:32:37,791 --> 00:32:39,042 then becomes a threat. 630 00:32:39,042 --> 00:32:41,837 And the tools that are shored up to respond to that threat 631 00:32:42,838 --> 00:32:47,176 are militaristic, are violent in and of themselves. 632 00:32:47,176 --> 00:32:50,179 OFFICER [over speaker]: You need to disperse immediately 633 00:32:50,179 --> 00:32:53,348 or you will be subject to arrest. 634 00:32:53,348 --> 00:32:54,683 Do it now! 635 00:32:55,726 --> 00:32:57,019 NIKOLE: The militaristic response 636 00:32:57,019 --> 00:33:00,272 to the 2014 uprisings in Ferguson, Missouri, 637 00:33:00,272 --> 00:33:03,567 galvanized the newly formed Black Lives Matter movement, 638 00:33:03,567 --> 00:33:08,238 and motivated a whole new generation of activists intent on Black liberation. 639 00:33:08,238 --> 00:33:11,325 PROTESTORS [chanting]: Our streets! Whose streets? 640 00:33:11,325 --> 00:33:13,118 PROTESTORS [chanting]: Our streets! - Whose streets? 641 00:33:13,118 --> 00:33:14,745 PROTESTORS [chanting]: Our streets! - Whose streets? 642 00:33:17,873 --> 00:33:19,875 ♪ 643 00:33:22,211 --> 00:33:24,630 - Hey, Derrick. So, this is the only time I'll call you Derrick 644 00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:27,466 because I know you, you go by Dwreck, but. - All right... I do. 645 00:33:27,466 --> 00:33:31,637 - So, tell me about what was that experience like protesting in Ferguson? 646 00:33:31,637 --> 00:33:33,180 - So, that was overwhelming. 647 00:33:33,180 --> 00:33:36,517 Um, I'm-- I do well in, in the middle of chaos. 648 00:33:36,517 --> 00:33:39,102 - Mm. - But it was really gut-wrenching seeing, 649 00:33:39,102 --> 00:33:42,814 you know, such a small suburb that is majority Black, 650 00:33:42,814 --> 00:33:44,691 but, usually, pretty peaceful. 651 00:33:46,109 --> 00:33:50,155 With military there, with tanks, with guns, 652 00:33:50,155 --> 00:33:54,493 with a lot of militant effort to intimidate Black protestors 653 00:33:54,493 --> 00:33:56,662 and the Black Lives Matter movement. 654 00:33:56,662 --> 00:33:59,289 It was really kind of, like, surreal. 655 00:33:59,289 --> 00:34:01,124 OFFICER: Get outta here! Go! 656 00:34:01,124 --> 00:34:02,918 [indistinct] 657 00:34:02,918 --> 00:34:05,963 - Most of my formative years, I was raised in St. Louis, 658 00:34:05,963 --> 00:34:08,090 when I went to school in the suburbs of St. Louis, 659 00:34:08,090 --> 00:34:10,634 not too far from the Ferguson area. 660 00:34:10,634 --> 00:34:15,264 - What do you remember learning about police when you were little? 661 00:34:15,264 --> 00:34:18,809 - I've always kind of had an aversion for authority in general. 662 00:34:18,809 --> 00:34:21,770 I am the rebel of my family-- - Are you a Aries? 663 00:34:21,770 --> 00:34:23,939 - I am. [both laughing] 664 00:34:23,939 --> 00:34:26,525 - So am I. That's how I knew. Anyway, go ahead. 665 00:34:26,525 --> 00:34:28,610 - So, yeah, always just questioned authority, 666 00:34:28,610 --> 00:34:31,238 and, like, why things operate in the way that they do. 667 00:34:31,238 --> 00:34:35,075 One of my earliest memories is a officer stopping my dad 668 00:34:35,075 --> 00:34:36,910 in the suburbs of St. Louis, 669 00:34:36,910 --> 00:34:40,789 pulling him over, and breaking his ID in front of me, 670 00:34:40,789 --> 00:34:43,500 and then giving him a ticket for driving without a license. 671 00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:46,461 - How old were you? - I had to be around nine years old. 672 00:34:46,461 --> 00:34:49,173 Uh, and just seeing that made me question 673 00:34:49,173 --> 00:34:51,800 why does policing operate in the way that it does. 674 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,468 I don't feel like my story's unique. 675 00:34:53,468 --> 00:34:56,805 There's people throughout the U.S. that are intimidated by the police, 676 00:34:56,805 --> 00:35:00,434 surveilled by the police, demonized by the police, 677 00:35:00,434 --> 00:35:02,060 but they don't live to tell their story. 678 00:35:02,060 --> 00:35:05,063 PROTESTORS [chanting]: Black lives matter! 679 00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:09,985 NIKOLE: In the spring of 2020, pervasive police violence, 680 00:35:09,985 --> 00:35:12,988 the tragic consequence of the legacy of white fear, 681 00:35:12,988 --> 00:35:16,783 once again became undeniable in the eyes of many Americans. 682 00:35:16,783 --> 00:35:18,785 [all chanting] 683 00:35:21,997 --> 00:35:25,626 George Floyd didn't choose to be a martyr for racial justice, 684 00:35:25,626 --> 00:35:28,462 yet the collective witness of his modern-day lynching 685 00:35:28,462 --> 00:35:33,509 spawned a national, multiracial movement that I have not witnessed in my lifetime. 686 00:35:33,884 --> 00:35:36,345 Between May and August of 2020, 687 00:35:36,345 --> 00:35:40,516 Americans participated in more than 7,000 Black Lives Matter demonstrations 688 00:35:40,516 --> 00:35:42,017 across the country. 689 00:35:42,017 --> 00:35:44,853 Over 93% remained non-violent. 690 00:35:44,853 --> 00:35:47,481 PROTESTORS [chanting]: NYPD! I can't breathe! 691 00:35:49,525 --> 00:35:51,193 [whistle blows] [indistinct shouting] 692 00:35:51,193 --> 00:35:53,445 NIKOLE: But the violent response of law enforcement 693 00:35:53,445 --> 00:35:55,072 to these peaceful demonstrators 694 00:35:55,072 --> 00:35:57,574 made it abundantly clear that too many in power 695 00:35:57,574 --> 00:36:00,994 still feel threatened by protests for Black rights. 696 00:36:01,411 --> 00:36:06,708 So, in response to these massive Black Lives Matter protests in 2020, 697 00:36:06,708 --> 00:36:10,671 we actually saw very anti-democratic laws being passed 698 00:36:10,671 --> 00:36:13,590 in certain states that were criminalizing protest. 699 00:36:13,590 --> 00:36:18,220 Can you talk about some of those laws and how do laws like that impact, 700 00:36:18,220 --> 00:36:20,973 uh, efforts for Black Americans to achieve racial justice? 701 00:36:20,973 --> 00:36:23,183 - Immediately after the protests in the summer of 2020, 702 00:36:23,183 --> 00:36:25,269 Republican-led state legislatures 703 00:36:25,269 --> 00:36:31,024 enacted all kinds of draconian "anti-riot bills," as they're called, 704 00:36:31,024 --> 00:36:36,655 which are, essentially, about limiting people's first amendment right to protest. 705 00:36:36,655 --> 00:36:40,951 - Lawmakers are introducing stiff new penalties for public disorder. 706 00:36:40,951 --> 00:36:46,582 - All kinds of new criminal penalties introduced making protest a criminal act. 707 00:36:46,582 --> 00:36:48,917 - The law now offers protections to police officers 708 00:36:48,917 --> 00:36:51,503 while also increasing penalties for rioters. 709 00:36:51,503 --> 00:36:53,547 - And also, at the same time, 710 00:36:53,547 --> 00:36:57,885 decriminalizing people who attack protestors. 711 00:36:57,885 --> 00:37:00,637 - Measures granting immunity to drivers who hit protesters 712 00:37:00,637 --> 00:37:04,266 are gaining steam in Iowa and in Oklahoma. 713 00:37:04,266 --> 00:37:05,559 [people screaming] 714 00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:07,394 ELIZABETH HINTON: The legislation in Oklahoma 715 00:37:07,394 --> 00:37:11,523 decriminalized people who would ram their cars into protestors. 716 00:37:11,523 --> 00:37:14,985 And the fact that so many of these anti-riot bills 717 00:37:14,985 --> 00:37:17,863 are decriminalizing violence against protests 718 00:37:17,863 --> 00:37:20,407 while criminalizing the protests themselves, 719 00:37:20,407 --> 00:37:22,409 I think, says it all. 720 00:37:22,409 --> 00:37:23,452 - What does it say? 721 00:37:23,452 --> 00:37:25,495 - It is a stark reflection 722 00:37:25,495 --> 00:37:29,416 of the way that white supremacy structures American society, 723 00:37:29,416 --> 00:37:33,587 and who gets to be a citizen, who gets to protest, and who doesn't. 724 00:37:33,587 --> 00:37:35,881 Who gets to use violence and who doesn't? 725 00:37:36,965 --> 00:37:40,469 NIKOLE: The state violence deployed against the Black Lives Matter protesters 726 00:37:40,469 --> 00:37:42,513 had taken a toll on Derrick Ingram, 727 00:37:42,513 --> 00:37:45,599 and despite his visceral reaction to the George Floyd tape, 728 00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:48,602 at first, he wasn't moved to action. 729 00:37:48,602 --> 00:37:50,145 - I didn't think organizing would change much, 730 00:37:50,145 --> 00:37:51,647 and I had become really cynical. 731 00:37:51,647 --> 00:37:55,359 But then I had a friend I had protested with in St. Louis, 732 00:37:55,359 --> 00:37:58,278 literally, knock on my door, and said, we needed to go outside, 733 00:37:58,278 --> 00:37:59,571 and, uh, that changed everything. 734 00:37:59,571 --> 00:38:02,783 I grabbed my combat boots, and, um, I was ready to go. 735 00:38:03,617 --> 00:38:05,953 NIKOLE: Derrick co-founded the activist collective 736 00:38:05,953 --> 00:38:07,329 Warriors in the Garden, 737 00:38:07,329 --> 00:38:10,958 and their first protest was roughly 10,000 strong. 738 00:38:11,667 --> 00:38:13,293 So, talk to me, Dwreck, about what was 739 00:38:13,293 --> 00:38:16,213 your particular role in Warriors in the Garden? 740 00:38:16,213 --> 00:38:17,798 - I was Head of Communications. 741 00:38:17,798 --> 00:38:20,425 So, one of the things I did was doing teach-ins, 742 00:38:20,425 --> 00:38:22,761 and teaching community on how to be safe, 743 00:38:22,761 --> 00:38:25,305 teaching things about exactly what to do 744 00:38:25,305 --> 00:38:28,433 if they thought there was social media monitoring going on, 745 00:38:28,433 --> 00:38:31,144 and really just teaching about surveillance and over-policing, 746 00:38:31,144 --> 00:38:34,314 and, and the worst things that can happen to protestors. 747 00:38:34,314 --> 00:38:37,234 - When did you begin to suspect that you were being watched? 748 00:38:37,234 --> 00:38:39,403 - You know, I always kinda had an inkling, 749 00:38:39,403 --> 00:38:41,905 but I thought it was unjustifiable paranoia 750 00:38:41,905 --> 00:38:44,116 because we had committed ourselves to nonviolence. 751 00:38:44,116 --> 00:38:47,369 I really was hoping that we would fly under the radar. 752 00:38:47,369 --> 00:38:49,454 - And what happened? - After every protest, 753 00:38:49,454 --> 00:38:53,125 we would go to ba-- a bar, um, in the Lower East Side, 754 00:38:53,125 --> 00:38:55,752 had amazing margaritas. - Blow off some steam. 755 00:38:55,752 --> 00:38:57,963 - Blow off some steam and decompress. 756 00:38:57,963 --> 00:39:02,426 That night, I went a little too hard, had at least three or four margaritas, 757 00:39:02,426 --> 00:39:05,679 took a Uber home, attempted to cook a steak, I think. 758 00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:07,514 [Nikole laughs] And it just didn't work out, 759 00:39:07,514 --> 00:39:09,933 so I, I went, I went to sleep, 760 00:39:09,933 --> 00:39:13,228 and, uh, I woke up, and there was a knock at the door. 761 00:39:13,228 --> 00:39:17,691 I saw a Caucasian man that had on an all-blue outfit. 762 00:39:17,691 --> 00:39:19,693 ♪ 763 00:39:21,236 --> 00:39:24,573 - When you first hear a knock on the door, you don't see anything. 764 00:39:24,573 --> 00:39:26,491 You get up, come to the door. - Get up, yeah. I get up-- 765 00:39:26,491 --> 00:39:29,077 - Look through the peephole. - Look through the peephole. 766 00:39:29,077 --> 00:39:31,705 Ans-- um, answer, 767 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,792 and I initially did answer, and I cracked, cracked the door. 768 00:39:35,792 --> 00:39:37,377 We had-- - Did you have a chain on or no? 769 00:39:37,377 --> 00:39:38,378 - Not at first. 770 00:39:38,378 --> 00:39:39,296 - Oh. - Not at first. 771 00:39:39,296 --> 00:39:42,216 I, I, I thought it was a delivery person or somethin' like that. 772 00:39:42,216 --> 00:39:44,092 And then, as soon as he said he had a warrant for my arrest, 773 00:39:44,092 --> 00:39:46,470 I immediately slammed the door, 774 00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:47,930 deadbolted it, 775 00:39:47,930 --> 00:39:49,598 and that's when I told him to slide the warrant, 776 00:39:49,598 --> 00:39:51,934 and it, and it just never came. 777 00:39:54,394 --> 00:39:56,396 ♪ 778 00:39:56,396 --> 00:39:58,607 NIKOLE: Concerned that this mysterious man at his door 779 00:39:58,607 --> 00:40:00,150 might be setting a trap, 780 00:40:00,150 --> 00:40:02,069 Derrick refused to leave his apartment, 781 00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:04,196 and immediately told his fellow activists 782 00:40:04,196 --> 00:40:07,241 to communicate with him over an encrypted chat. 783 00:40:07,241 --> 00:40:11,328 So... you've slammed the door on the police officer. 784 00:40:11,328 --> 00:40:13,455 No warrants come under the door. What happened? 785 00:40:13,455 --> 00:40:15,832 - So, it turned into around a six-hour standoff. 786 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,128 NIKOLE: In an effort to protect him, Derrick's fellow activists told him 787 00:40:20,128 --> 00:40:23,590 to document what was happening on Instagram Live. 788 00:40:23,924 --> 00:40:27,469 Throughout the standoff, Derrick was simultaneously live streaming, 789 00:40:27,469 --> 00:40:29,137 talking with lawyers on the phone, 790 00:40:29,137 --> 00:40:31,640 and communicating with the police through the door. 791 00:40:32,432 --> 00:40:34,601 DERRICK INGRAM: A lot started happening after that 792 00:40:34,601 --> 00:40:36,061 in terms of police involvement. 793 00:40:36,061 --> 00:40:37,938 They started knocking at my door, 794 00:40:37,938 --> 00:40:41,859 calling me abrasive, saying I was being aggressive. 795 00:40:41,859 --> 00:40:43,443 OFFICER: You're the one being hostile right now. 796 00:40:43,443 --> 00:40:46,905 - I'm not being hostile. I'm calm. I'm calm. 797 00:40:46,905 --> 00:40:48,532 I'm very calm, y'all. 798 00:40:49,283 --> 00:40:52,286 I am not being hostile. He called me hostile. 799 00:40:53,453 --> 00:40:56,248 I am calm... I am chill. LAWYER [on phone]: Hey, so sorry, 800 00:40:56,248 --> 00:40:57,791 I think I lost you. 801 00:40:57,791 --> 00:41:00,627 Um, hey, Derrick-- PERSON [on phone]: There's no warrant. 802 00:41:00,627 --> 00:41:02,254 LAWYER: Hello, can you hear me? 803 00:41:03,130 --> 00:41:05,632 - They blocked my peep-- They blocked my peephole. 804 00:41:05,632 --> 00:41:06,800 OFFICER: We're here to help you. 805 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,343 [officer knocking on door] LAWYER: Okay. 806 00:41:08,343 --> 00:41:10,804 I'm gonna try to add a lawyer-- 807 00:41:10,804 --> 00:41:13,432 [officer banging on door] 808 00:41:16,685 --> 00:41:19,188 NIKOLE: Not only were there police outside Derrick's door, 809 00:41:19,188 --> 00:41:21,732 there were sharpshooters positioned across the street, 810 00:41:21,732 --> 00:41:23,734 and helicopters overhead. 811 00:41:25,194 --> 00:41:30,741 So, you have to be thinking, at some point, like, "I might die." 812 00:41:30,741 --> 00:41:33,535 - I thought that was a definite possibility. 813 00:41:33,535 --> 00:41:38,040 - Did they finally tell you why, why they're there? 814 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,667 - This all was allegedly happening because I was being accused of 815 00:41:40,667 --> 00:41:43,754 yelling at an officer at a, at a protest. 816 00:41:43,754 --> 00:41:47,090 And at that protest, we were surrounded by officers 817 00:41:47,090 --> 00:41:49,801 on both sides as well as in front and behind us. 818 00:41:49,801 --> 00:41:52,387 And I took it upon myself to confront the officers 819 00:41:52,387 --> 00:41:55,807 and tell them that they needed to, to stop intimidating us, 820 00:41:55,807 --> 00:41:57,893 to let us through, and let us continue our march. 821 00:41:57,893 --> 00:42:00,187 - So, what was the crime? - What was the crime? 822 00:42:00,187 --> 00:42:03,065 Allegedly, verbally assaulting an officer. 823 00:42:03,065 --> 00:42:04,608 NIKOLE: What's verbally assaulting an officer? 824 00:42:04,608 --> 00:42:07,319 Like, just saying unpleasant things to an officer? DERRICK: So-- So, no, so-- 825 00:42:07,319 --> 00:42:10,113 NIKOLE: Yelling too loud? DERRICK: Yeah, yelling too loud via megaphone. 826 00:42:10,113 --> 00:42:11,532 That was the accusation. 827 00:42:11,532 --> 00:42:13,951 - Wow. And all of these officers-- - So-- 828 00:42:13,951 --> 00:42:18,288 - How many officers would you say, at the height that day, were here? 829 00:42:18,288 --> 00:42:20,874 - Thirty-plus officers, according to my lawyers, 830 00:42:20,874 --> 00:42:22,000 were at the scene. 831 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,002 ♪ 832 00:42:29,633 --> 00:42:31,134 - Why you gonna sit there and try to arrest somebody 833 00:42:31,134 --> 00:42:32,219 that's organized a protest? 834 00:42:32,219 --> 00:42:34,012 That's doin' somethin' for positive things. 835 00:42:34,012 --> 00:42:35,222 PERSON: Yeah! - You understand? That's-- 836 00:42:35,222 --> 00:42:36,932 That right there is bullshit. 837 00:42:36,932 --> 00:42:39,351 - That is bullshit right there, man. 838 00:42:39,351 --> 00:42:41,895 DERRICK: Hearing my community outside of my apartment 839 00:42:41,895 --> 00:42:43,522 protesting, organizing... 840 00:42:43,522 --> 00:42:46,149 PROTESTORS [chanting]: Where's the warrant? 841 00:42:49,319 --> 00:42:51,363 DERRICK: ...screaming for hours, 842 00:42:51,363 --> 00:42:53,532 "Where's the warrant? Where's the warrant? 843 00:42:53,532 --> 00:42:55,033 Let him out. Where's the warrant?" 844 00:42:55,033 --> 00:42:57,452 So, I found solace in that. 845 00:42:58,954 --> 00:43:02,583 NIKOLE: Inside the apartment, the standoff continued. 846 00:43:02,583 --> 00:43:05,210 [officer banging on door] 847 00:43:08,005 --> 00:43:09,923 [doorbell rings] - I'm coming out soon. 848 00:43:09,923 --> 00:43:13,218 I'm coordinating with my lawyers on how to proceed. 849 00:43:16,305 --> 00:43:19,349 - So, I'm just thinking about your own experiences growing up, 850 00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:24,021 everything that we've seen about police interactions with Black people, 851 00:43:24,021 --> 00:43:27,774 and I'm just imagining, like, your heart has to be thudding in your chest. 852 00:43:27,774 --> 00:43:29,693 What are you feeling at that moment? 853 00:43:29,693 --> 00:43:35,073 - My mind was racing, but physically, I'm really tryna think, "Okay, calm down. 854 00:43:35,073 --> 00:43:37,117 What do I need to do to address this?" 855 00:43:37,117 --> 00:43:39,620 My biggest fear is that if I let them in my unit, 856 00:43:39,620 --> 00:43:40,871 they're gonna try to harm me, 857 00:43:40,871 --> 00:43:43,123 and if I leave, I think they're gonna plant something here. 858 00:43:43,123 --> 00:43:46,877 - So, you're publicly preparing for violence... 859 00:43:46,877 --> 00:43:47,961 - Definitely. - ...and a cover-up? 860 00:43:47,961 --> 00:43:48,921 - Definitely. - Mm-hmm. 861 00:43:48,921 --> 00:43:50,964 - I think that's law enforcement's MO, 862 00:43:50,964 --> 00:43:55,219 especially when it comes to Black people that they see as radical. 863 00:43:55,219 --> 00:43:57,221 ♪ 864 00:43:58,972 --> 00:44:00,849 NIKOLE: Fear of Black liberation 865 00:44:00,849 --> 00:44:03,393 has long motivated state and federal authorities 866 00:44:03,393 --> 00:44:06,063 to surveil and sabotage Black leaders, 867 00:44:06,063 --> 00:44:08,941 civil rights activists, and Black-led organizations 868 00:44:08,941 --> 00:44:12,236 attempting to disrupt the existing social order. 869 00:44:12,236 --> 00:44:15,030 Can you talk about government surveillance, 870 00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:19,409 and, uh, the targeting of activists going from the 1960s 871 00:44:19,409 --> 00:44:22,871 and the parallels that we've seen much more recently with Black Lives Matter? 872 00:44:22,871 --> 00:44:27,709 - If you were seen as a civil rights leader... or organization, 873 00:44:27,709 --> 00:44:31,046 you were infiltrated by Black informants, 874 00:44:31,046 --> 00:44:35,384 and you were followed, sometimes harassed, by the FBI 875 00:44:35,801 --> 00:44:39,012 with the idea that the government needs to keep tabs 876 00:44:39,012 --> 00:44:43,350 on what this internal enemy is doing and planning in order to squash it. 877 00:44:43,350 --> 00:44:48,230 - A Black activist says he is the first person to be targeted and prosecuted 878 00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:50,524 under a secretive U.S. surveillance effort 879 00:44:50,524 --> 00:44:53,694 to track so-called "Black Identity Extremists." 880 00:44:53,694 --> 00:44:55,696 NIKOLE: The belief that the federal government's 881 00:44:55,696 --> 00:44:58,323 targeting of Black leaders died in the '70s 882 00:44:58,323 --> 00:45:01,994 with J. Edgar Hoover's counterintelligence program is false. 883 00:45:02,411 --> 00:45:04,246 It has never stopped. 884 00:45:04,246 --> 00:45:08,000 - We continue to see Black organizations 885 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,045 getting targeted by state and federal 886 00:45:12,045 --> 00:45:14,673 law enforcement agencies to this day. 887 00:45:15,090 --> 00:45:16,717 NIKOLE: The Department of Homeland Security 888 00:45:16,717 --> 00:45:20,179 began surveilling Black Lives Matter activists in 2014 889 00:45:20,179 --> 00:45:22,264 after the uprisings in Ferguson. 890 00:45:22,431 --> 00:45:24,016 [indistinct shouting on bullhorn] 891 00:45:24,141 --> 00:45:27,019 NIKOLE: And just a few years later, in 2017, 892 00:45:27,019 --> 00:45:29,188 leaked documents revealed that the FBI 893 00:45:29,188 --> 00:45:33,650 had created a new threat classification called "Black Identity Extremists," 894 00:45:33,650 --> 00:45:38,280 Black activists that the FBI considered likely to attack law enforcement. 895 00:45:39,364 --> 00:45:42,075 ELIZABETH: Black Identity Extremists, that doesn't exist. 896 00:45:42,075 --> 00:45:44,453 BLM does not represent a terrorist threat... 897 00:45:44,453 --> 00:45:46,997 - Right. - ...to U.S. society, yet by labeling it 898 00:45:46,997 --> 00:45:49,541 as an extremist group, as something to be feared, 899 00:45:49,541 --> 00:45:53,879 then the FBI can watch what people are doing 900 00:45:53,879 --> 00:45:57,007 as they are struggling and organizing for justice. 901 00:45:57,007 --> 00:45:59,676 - These days, if we watch the movie on Fred Hampton, 902 00:45:59,676 --> 00:46:02,554 or a documentary on the King tapes, 903 00:46:02,554 --> 00:46:05,641 we say, "Man, I can't believe our government did that," 904 00:46:05,641 --> 00:46:08,727 which means we're in denial about what our government is doing right now. 905 00:46:08,727 --> 00:46:11,563 - Mm-hmm. - That the things that we now clearly know, 906 00:46:11,563 --> 00:46:16,818 um, were wrong back then, we are accepting right now. 907 00:46:18,362 --> 00:46:20,781 As the standoff moved into its sixth hour, 908 00:46:20,781 --> 00:46:23,617 Derrick's determination began to waver. 909 00:46:24,409 --> 00:46:26,119 DERRICK: I'm thinkin' that it's time to surrender, 910 00:46:26,119 --> 00:46:29,164 and literally my hand's at the door, 911 00:46:29,164 --> 00:46:31,291 and I'm getting messages, "Don't give up, Dwreck. 912 00:46:31,291 --> 00:46:32,459 They're leaving, they're leaving." 913 00:46:32,459 --> 00:46:33,919 And I'm thinkin', 914 00:46:33,919 --> 00:46:36,046 y'all have been sayin' that for the last two hours. 915 00:46:36,046 --> 00:46:37,130 My friends are full of shit. 916 00:46:37,130 --> 00:46:39,341 They just don't want me to leave this apartment. 917 00:46:39,341 --> 00:46:41,885 And I was so close to leaving. 918 00:46:41,885 --> 00:46:45,764 Literally, this is how close I was to openin' the door. 919 00:46:45,764 --> 00:46:50,143 And all of a sudden, I hear cheerin', and my name bein' screamed outside, 920 00:46:50,143 --> 00:46:52,771 and I was like, "Is this-- What's goin' on?" 921 00:46:52,771 --> 00:46:54,189 And then, you know on Instagram Live 922 00:46:54,189 --> 00:46:55,732 when the hearts start comin' up? - Yes. 923 00:46:55,732 --> 00:46:59,278 - There's hundreds of hearts comin' up, and I'm like, 924 00:46:59,278 --> 00:47:00,904 "What the hell is goin'--" - "What happened?" 925 00:47:04,032 --> 00:47:10,038 PROTESTORS [singing]: ♪ Na-na-na-na, hey-hey-hey, goodbye ♪ 926 00:47:13,250 --> 00:47:15,878 - Everybody's like, "They're gone, they're gone, they're gone." 927 00:47:15,878 --> 00:47:17,838 I still didn't believe it. - Were you like, "This a trap." 928 00:47:17,838 --> 00:47:20,132 [both laughing] - This is-- I was like-- I still didn't believe it. 929 00:47:20,132 --> 00:47:21,341 And then, the next thing I know, 930 00:47:21,341 --> 00:47:24,469 I hear one of my friends outside of the door. 931 00:47:24,469 --> 00:47:27,723 He's like, "It's John, open up." And I said, "What's our password?" 932 00:47:27,723 --> 00:47:30,267 He gave me the password, I cracked the door, 933 00:47:30,267 --> 00:47:32,728 he pushes in, gives me a hug. - Oh, man. 934 00:47:32,728 --> 00:47:36,231 DERRICK: All of the Warriors start comin' up and everybody's comforting me. 935 00:47:36,231 --> 00:47:41,361 PROTESTORS [chanting]: Never be defeated! The people united will never be defeated! 936 00:47:41,361 --> 00:47:42,905 - What democracy looks like! 937 00:47:42,905 --> 00:47:45,157 PROTESTORS [chanting]: This is what democracy looks like! 938 00:47:45,157 --> 00:47:47,326 NIKOLE: Despite what the police initially stated, 939 00:47:47,326 --> 00:47:49,620 they never had a warrant for Derrick's arrest, 940 00:47:49,620 --> 00:47:52,831 and the charges against him were ultimately dropped. 941 00:47:53,874 --> 00:47:56,710 All that money, all that resources, all those man hours 942 00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:59,046 when there's actual crime occurring... DERRICK: Exactly. 943 00:47:59,046 --> 00:48:00,797 NIKOLE: ...in the biggest city in the country, 944 00:48:00,797 --> 00:48:03,300 it doesn't make sense, and then to just leave? 945 00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:08,597 - Just left, and they left when... it became really popular. 946 00:48:08,597 --> 00:48:11,266 All these people were sharing my Instagram Live, 947 00:48:11,266 --> 00:48:12,768 and it was getting media coverage, 948 00:48:12,768 --> 00:48:16,855 and I think if I didn't have the, the wherewithal to film, 949 00:48:16,855 --> 00:48:18,899 and I didn't get advised to do so, 950 00:48:18,899 --> 00:48:20,025 and I didn't have community 951 00:48:20,025 --> 00:48:21,902 outside filming... - Right. 952 00:48:21,902 --> 00:48:25,531 - ... oh, there would've been something way more nefarious that occurred. 953 00:48:29,535 --> 00:48:31,286 ♪ 954 00:48:31,286 --> 00:48:33,497 AVONTEA: I miss him bein' around, 955 00:48:34,414 --> 00:48:38,043 bein' able to help me with the kids. 956 00:48:38,919 --> 00:48:41,088 I miss everything. 957 00:48:41,088 --> 00:48:46,301 I miss jokin' around, I miss somebody to love me, 958 00:48:46,301 --> 00:48:48,929 tell me everything is gonna be all right. 959 00:48:50,013 --> 00:48:52,015 ♪ 960 00:48:56,061 --> 00:48:57,771 ♪ 961 00:49:02,276 --> 00:49:05,487 LEE: I can say that the loss of Jemel to this family 962 00:49:05,487 --> 00:49:09,074 is devastating in a way that will never be made up for. 963 00:49:09,074 --> 00:49:12,035 He wasn't only a financial provider, he was an emotional provider. 964 00:49:12,035 --> 00:49:16,081 Everyone who talks about Jemel talks about how secure he made them feel. 965 00:49:16,081 --> 00:49:18,584 He was happy that he was becoming a father, 966 00:49:18,584 --> 00:49:20,836 and that he would be able to give his children 967 00:49:20,836 --> 00:49:24,256 things in life that he, he didn't have a chance to experience. 968 00:49:25,007 --> 00:49:28,635 It breaks my heart to see that kind of loss. 969 00:49:29,052 --> 00:49:34,892 - What does Tristan and even Justice understand about what happened to Jemel? 970 00:49:34,892 --> 00:49:36,643 Because I-- I'm trying to think 971 00:49:36,643 --> 00:49:39,646 how do you explain this to very young children 972 00:49:39,646 --> 00:49:41,899 who are asking for their father? 973 00:49:41,899 --> 00:49:43,650 - Yeah. They keep-- They ask me about it. 974 00:49:44,568 --> 00:49:46,987 It's like, "What happened to our dad?" NIKOLE: Mm-hmm. 975 00:49:46,987 --> 00:49:49,740 AVONTEA: "Who killed him?" I'm like, "I'm sorry to tell this to y'all, 976 00:49:49,740 --> 00:49:53,035 but even though he was a hero, the police shot him." 977 00:49:53,035 --> 00:49:55,037 ♪ 978 00:50:02,419 --> 00:50:05,172 LEE: You gettin a fade? What's up, man? 979 00:50:05,172 --> 00:50:07,299 - I was waiting on you. - You was waitin' on me? 980 00:50:07,299 --> 00:50:08,842 You knew I was comin'? 981 00:50:08,842 --> 00:50:10,511 Who told you? - You. 982 00:50:10,511 --> 00:50:12,930 - I told you I was comin'? - Yeah. 983 00:50:12,930 --> 00:50:14,848 [indistinct chatter] 984 00:50:14,848 --> 00:50:16,850 - Did ya see my haircut? 985 00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:20,187 - What is that? - What happened to my hair? 986 00:50:20,187 --> 00:50:21,730 [laughing] 987 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,858 - How's it goin'? - Good. 988 00:50:24,858 --> 00:50:26,109 - Good to see ya. 989 00:50:27,027 --> 00:50:30,739 Watchin' a 4-year-old try to process death is very difficult. 990 00:50:30,739 --> 00:50:33,075 Uh, he, he often talks about his dad. 991 00:50:33,075 --> 00:50:35,661 He talks about having conversations with him, 992 00:50:35,661 --> 00:50:38,664 and I'm not sure if those are dreams or memories. 993 00:50:39,581 --> 00:50:43,085 Tristan has to confront the reality of death 994 00:50:43,085 --> 00:50:48,924 in a way that is almost impossible for a child his age to fully comprehend. 995 00:50:49,466 --> 00:50:54,471 And Justice Roberson never had a chance to meet her father. 996 00:50:54,471 --> 00:50:57,349 She was born months after his murder 997 00:50:57,349 --> 00:51:01,562 into a world that was still fighting for justice for her dad. 998 00:51:02,271 --> 00:51:04,606 [indistinct chatter] 999 00:51:06,275 --> 00:51:07,276 [laughs] 1000 00:51:11,655 --> 00:51:14,867 NIKOLE: Following the shooting, Jemel's mother, Beatrice Roberson, 1001 00:51:14,867 --> 00:51:16,410 filed a wrongful death suit against 1002 00:51:16,410 --> 00:51:19,162 Officer Covey and the village of Midlothian. 1003 00:51:19,162 --> 00:51:22,040 And after an almost two-year criminal investigation, 1004 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:26,962 the Cook County State's Attorney's Office announced a decision on Jemel's case. 1005 00:51:27,379 --> 00:51:30,465 - No criminal charges for the Midlothian police officer 1006 00:51:30,465 --> 00:51:34,178 who killed a Black security guard in the South Suburbs nearly two years ago. 1007 00:51:34,178 --> 00:51:36,930 This morning, Cook County State's Attorney Kim Fox says 1008 00:51:36,930 --> 00:51:39,558 her office found there was not enough evidence 1009 00:51:39,558 --> 00:51:43,228 to charge Covey for that fatal 2018 shooting of Roberson. 1010 00:51:43,228 --> 00:51:47,816 - My family and I will never be able to put this behind us. 1011 00:51:47,816 --> 00:51:51,945 State's Attorney Kim Fox and her office has let my family down. 1012 00:51:52,613 --> 00:51:55,324 NIKOLE: Jemel's family, ultimately, reached a civil settlement 1013 00:51:55,324 --> 00:51:57,367 with the village of Midlothian. 1014 00:51:57,367 --> 00:52:00,329 - More than three years after security guard Jemel Roberson 1015 00:52:00,329 --> 00:52:02,998 was shot by a South Suburban police officer, 1016 00:52:02,998 --> 00:52:05,542 the family has settled with Midlothian Police 1017 00:52:05,542 --> 00:52:08,253 for more than seven million dollars. 1018 00:52:08,253 --> 00:52:11,215 - The city, Midlothian, has admitted no wrongdoing, 1019 00:52:11,215 --> 00:52:13,383 there was no criminal accountability, 1020 00:52:13,383 --> 00:52:16,762 uh, or even a, uh, a presentation to the grand jury. 1021 00:52:17,930 --> 00:52:20,974 It's very difficult to hold an officer accountable, civilly, 1022 00:52:20,974 --> 00:52:23,185 at all in these circumstances. 1023 00:52:23,185 --> 00:52:28,232 The only remedy available in civil court is monetary rewards. 1024 00:52:28,232 --> 00:52:34,238 A $7.5 million, uh, recovery is far above the national average. 1025 00:52:34,238 --> 00:52:37,491 Those funds are placed into a trust 1026 00:52:37,491 --> 00:52:43,497 that will be available to Jemel's only daughter when she turns 18. 1027 00:52:44,456 --> 00:52:50,045 My goal as a civil rights attorney is to make police brutality unsustainable. 1028 00:52:50,045 --> 00:52:53,090 We hope that cities like Midlothian are forced to pay 1029 00:52:53,090 --> 00:52:55,175 these multimillion-dollar settlements, 1030 00:52:55,175 --> 00:52:58,679 so that they're forced to reevaluate the kind of officers that they have, 1031 00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:00,764 the kind of training that they provide, 1032 00:53:00,764 --> 00:53:03,684 and when force is allowed. 1033 00:53:03,684 --> 00:53:05,686 ♪ 1034 00:53:11,024 --> 00:53:13,443 NIKOLE: As long as our country allows law enforcement 1035 00:53:13,443 --> 00:53:17,239 to escape criminal accountability when they kill Black citizens, 1036 00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:21,201 civil lawsuits will be the only recourse families like Jemel's have. 1037 00:53:21,618 --> 00:53:25,122 But settlements can never repair such a tragic loss, 1038 00:53:25,122 --> 00:53:28,584 and seem to send the message that officers who take Black lives 1039 00:53:28,584 --> 00:53:30,919 can do so without consequence. 1040 00:53:31,378 --> 00:53:34,798 And for those like Derrick Ingram who live to tell their stories, 1041 00:53:34,798 --> 00:53:39,553 this tragic understanding remains the reason he continues to fight. 1042 00:53:42,514 --> 00:53:47,102 Has there been any recourse for you, whatsoever, for what NYPD did? 1043 00:53:47,102 --> 00:53:49,563 - The police, they have not been held accountable at all. 1044 00:53:49,563 --> 00:53:52,107 I have a civil rights lawsuit against the NYPD 1045 00:53:52,107 --> 00:53:55,402 for violating my human rights, as well as surveilling me. 1046 00:53:55,402 --> 00:53:57,362 What they did to me 1047 00:53:57,362 --> 00:54:01,241 is gonna stick with me for a long time, and I'm still processing, 1048 00:54:01,241 --> 00:54:04,036 but it's really invigorated me and a lot of people around me 1049 00:54:04,036 --> 00:54:06,496 to further strengthen the movement, 1050 00:54:06,496 --> 00:54:09,875 um, and to really make me hyper-focus on, on makin' a difference. 1051 00:54:11,126 --> 00:54:13,629 NIKOLE: The assumptions made about Derrick and Jemel 1052 00:54:13,629 --> 00:54:18,550 echo the 400-year-old stereotypes about who we are as Black Americans. 1053 00:54:18,926 --> 00:54:23,555 Fear of our fathers, our brothers, our friends. 1054 00:54:23,972 --> 00:54:28,393 Fear of who our children will one day grow up to be. 1055 00:54:28,393 --> 00:54:30,103 AVONTEA: He already question police, 1056 00:54:30,103 --> 00:54:33,398 so I'm definitely terrified for him when he get older. 1057 00:54:33,398 --> 00:54:34,858 So, I think when he get older, like, 1058 00:54:34,858 --> 00:54:37,110 "Oh, so you gonna kill me like you killed my dad?" 1059 00:54:37,110 --> 00:54:38,529 I don't want him to feel like that. 1060 00:54:38,529 --> 00:54:40,280 I don't want him to be scared of the police, 1061 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,115 even though I know he is. 1062 00:54:44,910 --> 00:54:46,912 ♪ 1063 00:55:07,140 --> 00:55:09,226 NIKOLE: Four hundred years of white fear 1064 00:55:09,226 --> 00:55:11,353 that begets Black fear. 1065 00:55:11,353 --> 00:55:16,984 Four hundred years of racism constructed to take opportunity and to steal wealth. 1066 00:55:18,861 --> 00:55:22,573 What must this nation do to make things right? 1067 00:55:22,573 --> 00:55:25,617 - They started in slavery, you had nothin'. 1068 00:55:25,617 --> 00:55:27,369 Z-- You were a zero. 1069 00:55:27,369 --> 00:55:28,704 So, now you have these things, 1070 00:55:28,704 --> 00:55:31,206 so you begin to accumulate and, uh, build wealth 1071 00:55:31,206 --> 00:55:32,916 for your children and your grandchildren. 1072 00:55:32,916 --> 00:55:36,003 And all of a sudden, in-in two weeks, it's gone. 1073 00:55:36,378 --> 00:55:40,591 - What is this community owed for what happened? 1074 00:55:41,884 --> 00:55:46,221 - There's no, uh, ah, that's-- There's not a price you can put on that. 1075 00:55:48,015 --> 00:55:50,642 ♪ 1076 00:56:29,223 --> 00:56:31,225 ♪