1 00:00:08,717 --> 00:00:09,927 The dream's over. 2 00:00:14,348 --> 00:00:17,268 -In 1971... -Music said something. 3 00:00:27,402 --> 00:00:29,112 The world was changing. 4 00:00:31,073 --> 00:00:34,833 {\an8}We were creating the 21st century in 1971. 5 00:01:14,199 --> 00:01:17,409 {\an8}In England back then, no one spoke when they got stoned. 6 00:01:18,620 --> 00:01:23,000 {\an8}You could sit in a room with 12 people for three hours, listen to music. 7 00:01:23,083 --> 00:01:26,673 They'd all leave, and you would have had no idea who any of them were. 8 00:01:31,216 --> 00:01:33,426 {\an8}I remember I went to a flat in Battersea, 9 00:01:33,510 --> 00:01:36,600 and one of them had a friend of his over, 10 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:41,560 and it was a guy in long hair who looked like Lauren Bacall, 11 00:01:41,643 --> 00:01:45,903 who rolled the most perfect five-paper hash joints I've ever seen in my life. 12 00:01:48,066 --> 00:01:52,196 I tell you this story because this was Bowie, okay... 13 00:01:52,279 --> 00:01:53,949 and I didn't know who he was. 14 00:01:55,866 --> 00:02:00,906 In 1971 in London, I don't think Bowie was Bowie... yet. 15 00:02:02,289 --> 00:02:06,339 {\an8}I didn't really feel like a rock singer or a rock star or whatever. 16 00:02:06,418 --> 00:02:09,418 {\an8}There was a real feeling of inadequacy in that era. 17 00:02:10,380 --> 00:02:14,510 But I was so single-minded about doing what I wanted to do, 18 00:02:14,593 --> 00:02:16,853 and it really was looking for something new. 19 00:02:16,929 --> 00:02:20,929 What do I wanna see on a stage that would really make me excited? 20 00:02:21,934 --> 00:02:25,524 And it just seemed to be interesting, at that time, 21 00:02:25,604 --> 00:02:28,444 to try and devise something radically different. 22 00:02:28,524 --> 00:02:31,864 Because there was a kind of hardening of the arteries in England. 23 00:02:36,156 --> 00:02:39,366 I want to love this country, because this is my husband's country 24 00:02:39,451 --> 00:02:41,371 and I think it is a very interesting country. 25 00:02:41,787 --> 00:02:46,787 But you're so nostalgic, you know, and you are always talking about the past, 26 00:02:46,875 --> 00:02:48,285 but we have to live in the present, 27 00:02:48,377 --> 00:02:50,167 and you can burn the past. 28 00:02:50,546 --> 00:02:52,546 Excuse me, sir, the West German economics minister has said that-- 29 00:02:52,631 --> 00:02:54,171 -Oh, I'm sorry, no. -You're a bit rushed, are you? 30 00:02:54,258 --> 00:02:56,298 Excuse me, sir. The West German economics minister 31 00:02:56,385 --> 00:02:58,255 has said that British businessmen who wear bowlers 32 00:02:58,345 --> 00:03:01,845 tend to be rather too traditional in their business method. Would you agree? 33 00:03:01,932 --> 00:03:03,432 I don't think so, no. 34 00:03:03,517 --> 00:03:05,347 Do you think that if we do go to the common market, 35 00:03:05,435 --> 00:03:07,395 we would have to drop our bowler hat image? 36 00:03:07,479 --> 00:03:08,769 No, I don't think so at all. 37 00:03:09,731 --> 00:03:12,281 He said that British businessmen who wore bowler hats are-- 38 00:03:12,359 --> 00:03:14,319 What the hell is it to do with you? Get out! 39 00:03:43,098 --> 00:03:45,848 Can I put something to both of you about this creative phase 40 00:03:45,934 --> 00:03:47,444 that you're both going through at present? 41 00:03:47,519 --> 00:03:49,479 I think you've got to accept, especially you, John, 42 00:03:49,563 --> 00:03:53,233 that it's alienated you from the people who originally loved you in this country. 43 00:03:53,317 --> 00:03:54,317 -A lot of them? -Yes. 44 00:03:54,401 --> 00:03:56,281 I think they don't understand you anymore. 45 00:04:05,454 --> 00:04:08,214 {\an8}John and Yoko were just considered weirdos. 46 00:04:08,290 --> 00:04:11,290 {\an8}People were deeply suspicious of them. 47 00:04:11,376 --> 00:04:16,456 {\an8}It was part of that feeling that the whole counterculture was being put on trial. 48 00:04:17,841 --> 00:04:23,141 What I feared was that the establishment was gonna claw back youth culture 49 00:04:23,222 --> 00:04:25,142 to where it had been pre-Beatles. 50 00:04:25,224 --> 00:04:30,104 And that we'd go back to everything being nice and safe and middle-of-the-road. 51 00:04:30,687 --> 00:04:35,897 I had to encourage people not to feel nostalgic and wistful about the '60s. 52 00:04:35,984 --> 00:04:39,284 That's not good at all. You've got to make now happen. 53 00:04:54,169 --> 00:04:56,919 At that time I was 15 years old. 54 00:04:57,756 --> 00:05:01,216 {\an8}I was just trying to work out where do I fit in, you know? 55 00:05:01,969 --> 00:05:04,299 {\an8}This is the National Front. 56 00:05:04,388 --> 00:05:09,978 The party that says, "Put Britain and the British people first." 57 00:05:10,060 --> 00:05:14,190 I was a first-generation British-born Black youth. 58 00:05:14,273 --> 00:05:18,033 And the graffiti back then would be, like, six-foot white letters: 59 00:05:18,110 --> 00:05:20,490 "Keep Britain white." 60 00:05:20,571 --> 00:05:23,121 And you'd walk past this stuff every day. 61 00:05:25,659 --> 00:05:28,749 I'd grown up with civil rights in America. 62 00:05:28,829 --> 00:05:30,829 But we obviously weren't American. 63 00:05:30,914 --> 00:05:33,674 I was of the age, you know, when music and style was really important. 64 00:05:33,750 --> 00:05:37,300 So we're looking for our own version through the music we had access to. 65 00:05:38,255 --> 00:05:40,165 And we looked to the land of our parents. 66 00:05:48,724 --> 00:05:51,274 {\an8}One good thing about music 67 00:05:51,351 --> 00:05:53,771 {\an8}-When it hits you -You feel no pain 68 00:05:53,854 --> 00:05:55,564 {\an8}I say 69 00:05:55,647 --> 00:05:58,437 {\an8}One good thing about music When it hits you 70 00:05:58,525 --> 00:06:01,355 You feel no pain 71 00:06:01,445 --> 00:06:07,445 {\an8}Hit me with music, yeah Hit me with music now 72 00:06:07,534 --> 00:06:09,704 {\an8}-This is -Trench town rock 73 00:06:09,786 --> 00:06:11,406 {\an8}Don't watch that 74 00:06:11,496 --> 00:06:12,656 {\an8}Trench town rock 75 00:06:12,748 --> 00:06:14,878 Big fish or sprat now 76 00:06:14,958 --> 00:06:18,298 -Trench town rock -You reap what you sow 77 00:06:18,378 --> 00:06:21,628 -Trench town rock -And only Jah, Jah know 78 00:06:21,715 --> 00:06:24,885 -Trench town rock -I'd never turn my back 79 00:06:24,968 --> 00:06:26,638 -Trench town rock -I'd give the slum a try 80 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,890 It is a music born of intense human suffering, 81 00:06:29,973 --> 00:06:35,103 in another land, among a people with revolution on their side. 82 00:06:35,187 --> 00:06:38,477 -Groovin' -It's Kingston 12 83 00:06:38,565 --> 00:06:41,685 -Groovin' -It's Kingston 12 84 00:06:43,195 --> 00:06:46,275 {\an8}Music is good, you know? Music is soothing, but... 85 00:06:46,365 --> 00:06:50,615 {\an8}we're dealing with now, reggae music, Rasta music. 86 00:06:51,703 --> 00:06:55,123 This music is a dangerous music. 87 00:06:55,207 --> 00:06:57,327 You want come cold I up 88 00:06:58,919 --> 00:07:03,629 I don't see which music get the type of fight that reggae music get. 89 00:07:03,715 --> 00:07:08,255 Why they don't like to play it is because it educating the people to be themself. 90 00:07:10,681 --> 00:07:14,271 Reggae is a music that fight for the oppressed people 91 00:07:14,351 --> 00:07:15,891 anywhere upon the earth. 92 00:07:17,771 --> 00:07:19,231 It show them freedom. 93 00:07:19,314 --> 00:07:21,864 You feel no pain 94 00:07:21,942 --> 00:07:27,912 Hit me with music now, oh, now Hit me with music now 95 00:07:27,990 --> 00:07:32,240 {\an8}In the late '60s, early '70s, there wasn't a lot of Jamaican music on the radio. 96 00:07:32,327 --> 00:07:37,167 {\an8}You realized the establishment was trying to squash these alternative voices. 97 00:07:37,249 --> 00:07:39,629 People always talk about how difficult it is 98 00:07:39,710 --> 00:07:41,800 to get reggae records played on the radio, 99 00:07:41,879 --> 00:07:44,259 but did you find there is definitely a sort of a hostility against the music? 100 00:07:44,339 --> 00:07:47,339 {\an8}Let's be honest, I mean, it's difficult getting any record played on the BBC, 101 00:07:47,426 --> 00:07:49,386 {\an8}let alone whether it be reggae or anything else. 102 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:52,139 Every other form of music has their own program, 103 00:07:52,222 --> 00:07:54,352 whereas reggae doesn't have its own program on the radio. 104 00:07:54,433 --> 00:07:57,023 {\an8}You don't get that three or four plays 105 00:07:57,102 --> 00:08:01,022 {\an8}that would let the people decide whether they want it or not. 106 00:08:01,106 --> 00:08:03,526 {\an8}If our music had an open door, 107 00:08:03,609 --> 00:08:08,909 {\an8}like, let's say, a freeway, we could be wide in any part of the world. 108 00:08:08,989 --> 00:08:10,949 Because we are class, we have class music. 109 00:08:11,033 --> 00:08:13,373 {\an8}Sun is shining 110 00:08:13,452 --> 00:08:16,412 {\an8}The weather is sweet, yeah 111 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:22,540 {\an8}Make you want to move Your dancing feet 112 00:08:22,628 --> 00:08:24,298 Reggae was in the fringes, 113 00:08:24,379 --> 00:08:28,429 but it started to give us a kind of equity with our white mates. 114 00:08:29,343 --> 00:08:31,393 Kind of showed us a way forward. 115 00:08:31,470 --> 00:08:33,760 Want you to know ya 116 00:08:33,847 --> 00:08:36,097 I grew up with this kind of weird duality. 117 00:08:36,183 --> 00:08:39,853 Growing up in a Black community as I did, you don't listen to rock music. 118 00:08:39,937 --> 00:08:43,687 But I never really thought about why it was that I liked certain music. 119 00:08:43,774 --> 00:08:45,824 All I know is it resonated with me. 120 00:08:45,901 --> 00:08:48,401 So at home I had reggae coming in one ear, 121 00:08:48,487 --> 00:08:52,067 but going to school I was listening to the Stones, the Kinks and the Beatles. 122 00:08:52,157 --> 00:08:55,907 And in 1971, 15 years old, I saw the Who. 123 00:08:55,994 --> 00:09:00,374 This is a very different sonic experiment to what I'm used to. You gotta dig it. 124 00:09:00,457 --> 00:09:02,327 I'm, like, 15 feet from the stage. 125 00:09:02,417 --> 00:09:06,417 I'm seeing this thing explode in front of me, and it was life-changing. 126 00:09:20,352 --> 00:09:24,522 Who are the Who? Well, the Who are the Who, that's who they are. 127 00:09:27,985 --> 00:09:30,275 The Who stood for the young generation. 128 00:09:30,362 --> 00:09:32,612 They stood for rebellion, for noise, 129 00:09:32,698 --> 00:09:37,578 and also for a seriousness about what they themselves took seriously: rock. 130 00:09:38,579 --> 00:09:41,999 Pete Townshend. He writes the songs. He wrote Tommy. 131 00:09:42,916 --> 00:09:45,416 {\an8}Tommy was incredibly difficult to follow, you know? 132 00:09:45,502 --> 00:09:46,962 {\an8}It was huge. 133 00:09:47,045 --> 00:09:50,165 It changed us, but it left us with another big job, you know? 134 00:09:50,257 --> 00:09:51,797 Which was, "What do we do next?" 135 00:09:51,884 --> 00:09:54,684 Have you done anything very special 136 00:09:54,761 --> 00:09:56,851 with the money that you've now accumulated? 137 00:09:57,681 --> 00:10:00,101 The only thing that I've done of merit really 138 00:10:00,184 --> 00:10:01,894 is to build myself a studio. 139 00:10:02,728 --> 00:10:06,108 Which is, like, absolutely the biggest single thing in my life 140 00:10:06,190 --> 00:10:07,690 next to the group, you know? 141 00:10:08,483 --> 00:10:14,573 It enables me to channel all the best of my individual ideas. 142 00:10:14,656 --> 00:10:19,116 {\an8}It's the same with any creative soul who has huge success. 143 00:10:19,203 --> 00:10:21,833 {\an8}Once you've achieved that, it's, "How the hell do I go on? 144 00:10:21,914 --> 00:10:23,464 {\an8}What do I do now?" 145 00:10:23,540 --> 00:10:27,840 The changes that were going on in the recording process in 1971 146 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,010 gave you more flexibility in the manner in which you recorded. 147 00:10:31,089 --> 00:10:32,509 And Pete exploited it. 148 00:10:32,591 --> 00:10:37,551 I've always felt that maybe I took rock too seriously, 149 00:10:37,638 --> 00:10:42,058 but it's hard to really figure out why I feel so strongly, 150 00:10:42,142 --> 00:10:44,142 why I feel so involved. 151 00:10:44,228 --> 00:10:47,518 And committed to rock as a sort of a, if you'd like, 152 00:10:47,606 --> 00:10:49,726 a society changer. You know? 153 00:10:49,816 --> 00:10:55,526 I'd heard about synthesizers. I'd heard about music computers. 154 00:10:55,614 --> 00:10:58,664 And I could see this new revolution coming. 155 00:11:01,620 --> 00:11:05,290 You've written about the world of electronic all-at-onceness. 156 00:11:05,374 --> 00:11:07,714 The global village in which everybody is gathered together 157 00:11:07,793 --> 00:11:10,713 by means of television or the new electronic media. 158 00:11:11,463 --> 00:11:14,343 {\an8}The way this machine works is... 159 00:11:14,424 --> 00:11:19,814 {\an8}you set up these little switches to a pattern, and then you turn it on. 160 00:11:19,888 --> 00:11:23,518 {\an8}And it plays a tune according to whatever pattern you set up. 161 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,770 Every home is going to have a computer, 162 00:11:26,854 --> 00:11:29,774 {\an8}and you'll have access to all the films, and all the entertainment 163 00:11:29,857 --> 00:11:31,727 {\an8}and all the information that ever was. 164 00:11:31,817 --> 00:11:33,737 {\an8}Electronics is the most appropriate 165 00:11:33,819 --> 00:11:36,609 {\an8}technological material of the 20th century. 166 00:11:36,697 --> 00:11:39,157 {\an8}And there's no reason why musicians of the 20th century 167 00:11:39,241 --> 00:11:41,371 shouldn't utilize electronic instruments. 168 00:11:44,121 --> 00:11:47,921 {\an8}I believe that electronic treatment by the improvising musicians 169 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,590 is the wave of the future, most probably the music of the '70s. 170 00:11:54,381 --> 00:11:58,051 {\an8}At the time I was working on a very, very ambitious piece 171 00:11:58,135 --> 00:12:00,545 {\an8}called Lifehouse, which was gonna be a movie. 172 00:12:02,806 --> 00:12:08,226 {\an8}It was a dystopian idea about the way that media, electronics 173 00:12:08,312 --> 00:12:11,482 {\an8}and technology would change society. 174 00:12:12,482 --> 00:12:16,652 I imagined this world in which there was incredible pollution, 175 00:12:16,737 --> 00:12:19,567 incredible difficulty with living in the outside world. 176 00:12:19,656 --> 00:12:22,026 And so what the government did is it stuck us in our houses, 177 00:12:22,117 --> 00:12:26,707 and then fed us entertainment to keep us happy 178 00:12:26,788 --> 00:12:29,288 while they cleaned up the air. 179 00:12:29,374 --> 00:12:33,924 I start watching television at 4:30 until about 12 o'clock. 180 00:12:34,004 --> 00:12:35,804 And then I go to bed. 181 00:12:35,881 --> 00:12:40,011 That's all my entertainment really. That's the only thing I've got. 182 00:12:40,677 --> 00:12:42,387 I called it "the grid." 183 00:12:42,471 --> 00:12:47,431 This global communication system where everybody would be fed similar stuff... 184 00:12:47,518 --> 00:12:49,598 The human brain is an electrical machine. 185 00:12:49,686 --> 00:12:54,856 ...that would be surreptitiously policed and censored. 186 00:12:54,942 --> 00:12:57,612 The data bank that's got your complete medical history, 187 00:12:57,694 --> 00:13:00,744 your complete financial history, your parking tickets, everything in it. 188 00:13:00,822 --> 00:13:04,742 This is a pretty appalling thing to contemplate. 189 00:13:04,826 --> 00:13:08,866 Once they got us in and they were feeding us the programs, 190 00:13:08,956 --> 00:13:11,786 we would imagine that we had access to everything 191 00:13:11,875 --> 00:13:16,335 because of its richness, and its persuasiveness and its beauty. 192 00:13:16,421 --> 00:13:18,381 The whole Western world is taking an inner trip, 193 00:13:18,465 --> 00:13:20,835 only this time wide awake. 194 00:13:20,926 --> 00:13:22,846 We're all technologically stoned. 195 00:13:22,928 --> 00:13:25,758 It was an anticipation of the idea 196 00:13:25,848 --> 00:13:29,728 that everything would go wrong, but that music would prevail. 197 00:13:32,688 --> 00:13:36,858 {\an8}He'd sent me a bunch of demos and a script 198 00:13:36,942 --> 00:13:40,742 {\an8}for a film that he wanted to make called Lifehouse. 199 00:13:41,655 --> 00:13:45,695 I read the script, and I didn't really understand it. 200 00:13:45,784 --> 00:13:49,714 And it turns out that no one else in the room did either. 201 00:13:50,789 --> 00:13:56,209 A few too many people went, "This is bollocks, and he's mad." 202 00:13:56,295 --> 00:13:58,755 I couldn't sell this idea to the band. 203 00:13:59,923 --> 00:14:03,093 The music that he'd written was extremely innovative, 204 00:14:03,177 --> 00:14:05,717 using a synthesizer in that manner. 205 00:14:05,804 --> 00:14:08,724 I thought that we should make an album anyway. 206 00:14:10,726 --> 00:14:15,686 There was some difficultly in translating what Pete had captured on his demos 207 00:14:15,772 --> 00:14:17,772 and the Who making it the Who. 208 00:14:17,858 --> 00:14:20,858 People in the band, particularly Keith and Roger, 209 00:14:20,944 --> 00:14:24,244 always wanted to write the way that other bands wrote, you know. 210 00:14:24,323 --> 00:14:26,033 "We sit round, man, and we jam." 211 00:14:27,326 --> 00:14:31,706 I took the 8-track tape and stole his synthesizer recording off of it. 212 00:14:31,788 --> 00:14:34,878 And then I cut it up and started to turn it into a song. 213 00:14:34,958 --> 00:14:37,418 You know, with scissors I cut it into something. 214 00:14:37,503 --> 00:14:39,213 And then Glyn Johns cut it again, 215 00:14:39,296 --> 00:14:42,416 and then we added drums and guitars, and then I wrote this lyric. 216 00:14:46,345 --> 00:14:48,305 And we got it closer and closer to something 217 00:14:48,388 --> 00:14:51,228 that started to feel like a four-minute rock song. 218 00:14:51,308 --> 00:14:54,348 I played it in to the band on the earphones, 219 00:14:54,436 --> 00:14:59,066 and the band played along with the synthesizer that had been prerecorded. 220 00:15:16,875 --> 00:15:19,165 Out here in the fields 221 00:15:21,129 --> 00:15:23,629 I fight for my meals 222 00:15:25,843 --> 00:15:30,263 I get my back into my living 223 00:15:34,434 --> 00:15:36,604 I don't need to fight 224 00:15:38,647 --> 00:15:41,067 To prove I'm right 225 00:15:43,277 --> 00:15:47,447 I don't need to be forgiven 226 00:15:47,531 --> 00:15:50,911 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah 227 00:16:20,564 --> 00:16:24,534 Don't cry 228 00:16:24,610 --> 00:16:28,320 Don't raise your eye 229 00:16:29,198 --> 00:16:36,038 It's only teenage wasteland 230 00:16:40,542 --> 00:16:42,212 {\an8}It was becoming increasingly difficult 231 00:16:42,294 --> 00:16:45,514 {\an8}to make something original with guitar, bass and drums. 232 00:16:45,589 --> 00:16:47,759 {\an8}Traditional instruments. 233 00:16:48,592 --> 00:16:50,892 The people who had the vision and technology 234 00:16:50,969 --> 00:16:56,479 were the people who were going to become the creative pioneers of that time. 235 00:16:56,558 --> 00:16:59,978 You could be making sounds that nobody had heard before. 236 00:17:07,277 --> 00:17:09,027 {\an8}You're listening to BBC Radio London 237 00:17:09,112 --> 00:17:12,532 {\an8}on this Tuesday, 29th of June, and it's 20 minutes to six. 238 00:17:14,409 --> 00:17:17,659 There's a trial going on where people are actually being threatened 239 00:17:17,746 --> 00:17:23,246 with a prison sentence for allowing a number of children to express themselves. 240 00:17:23,335 --> 00:17:25,085 This is the swing of the pendulum, isn't it? 241 00:17:25,170 --> 00:17:28,170 It's the Victorian age after the Regency age. 242 00:17:28,257 --> 00:17:30,927 We have probably reached the end of the swing of the pendulum. 243 00:17:31,009 --> 00:17:33,429 Because you pushed things just a little bit too far, 244 00:17:33,512 --> 00:17:36,062 the free atmosphere is beginning to feel the pinch. 245 00:17:49,653 --> 00:17:53,453 {\an8}The Oz trial was the trial of the '60s. 246 00:17:53,532 --> 00:17:55,992 {\an8}All those dreadful things that happened. 247 00:17:56,076 --> 00:17:59,906 The dope, rock 'n' roll and fucking in the streets was the... 248 00:18:00,956 --> 00:18:02,666 the claim of the prosecution 249 00:18:02,749 --> 00:18:05,999 that Oz was the standard-bearer for. 250 00:18:07,171 --> 00:18:11,881 Attempt to debauch the morals of young persons within the realm. 251 00:18:14,761 --> 00:18:16,891 It was a very serious charge. 252 00:18:25,397 --> 00:18:30,857 {\an8}Oz took an innocent, sweet English tradition and made it pernicious. 253 00:18:30,944 --> 00:18:35,454 They took Rupert the Bear and they made him into a sexual predator. 254 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,910 And for this, they had to be punished. 255 00:18:42,247 --> 00:18:47,247 It was quite a production to go to the Old Bailey every day. 256 00:18:47,336 --> 00:18:50,546 It was incredibly dignified, and, of course, they're wearing wigs. 257 00:18:51,215 --> 00:18:53,545 Everybody speaking was so highborn 258 00:18:53,634 --> 00:18:57,434 that whatever they said sounded like an invitation for afternoon tea. 259 00:18:59,348 --> 00:19:04,438 {\an8}We would all arrive at the court, and Louise and I would sit in the back. 260 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,230 {\an8}There'd be the public gallery, always packed. 261 00:19:08,315 --> 00:19:12,945 And it was actually very tense and very strained a lot of the time. 262 00:19:13,028 --> 00:19:15,778 And then there were times when it was just hilarious. 263 00:19:15,864 --> 00:19:17,574 There were these odd things happening. 264 00:19:17,658 --> 00:19:20,948 Quite a lot of attention was paid to a tiny, small ad 265 00:19:21,036 --> 00:19:25,116 that I'd never even noticed for a newspaper called Suck. 266 00:19:25,791 --> 00:19:30,001 It had a description of cunnilingus. A woman saying she enjoyed it. 267 00:19:30,879 --> 00:19:35,969 {\an8}Our expert on sociology was asked actually by Judge Argyle, 268 00:19:36,051 --> 00:19:40,641 {\an8}"What did you mean by this word 'cunnilinctus'?" 269 00:19:40,722 --> 00:19:43,642 He was pronouncing it as though it was a cough medicine. 270 00:19:43,725 --> 00:19:49,645 And he said, "Sucking, my Lord, or 'blowing' or 'going down.' 271 00:19:49,731 --> 00:19:55,651 Or in my naval days, my Lord, we used the phrase, 'yodeling in the canyon.'" 272 00:19:56,488 --> 00:19:59,028 {\an8}The trial wore on and on and on and on. 273 00:19:59,116 --> 00:20:02,326 {\an8}Everybody had talked themselves to a standstill, I think. 274 00:20:02,411 --> 00:20:05,711 And so it came to an end with the concluding speeches. 275 00:20:07,124 --> 00:20:12,504 And from the moment the judge began, he treated our witnesses with contempt. 276 00:20:12,588 --> 00:20:16,258 Didn't relay to the jury accurately the evidence that they'd given. 277 00:20:16,341 --> 00:20:17,971 It just went on and on. 278 00:20:18,051 --> 00:20:20,891 {\an8}It was apparent to everybody who sat in the courtroom 279 00:20:20,971 --> 00:20:23,721 {\an8}that that judge, he just hated them. 280 00:20:23,807 --> 00:20:26,807 There was a fundamentalist kind of movement 281 00:20:26,894 --> 00:20:30,774 to bring back traditional values in purity and cleanliness 282 00:20:30,856 --> 00:20:32,516 and get rid of Oz magazine. 283 00:20:32,608 --> 00:20:36,398 And he was railroading them into jail any way he could. 284 00:20:41,617 --> 00:20:43,947 The end of this five-week trial, 285 00:20:44,036 --> 00:20:47,956 the longest obscenity hearing in British legal history, came just before lunchtime. 286 00:20:48,540 --> 00:20:51,380 The establishment hails the verdict as a long-overdue victory 287 00:20:51,460 --> 00:20:52,960 for the forces of good. 288 00:20:53,045 --> 00:20:54,955 To the young, it is a catastrophe, 289 00:20:55,047 --> 00:20:57,507 and they express their anger and frustration 290 00:20:57,591 --> 00:21:00,341 in a pagan ritual of noise and fire. 291 00:21:26,954 --> 00:21:29,504 {\an8}I'd never for a moment thought 292 00:21:29,581 --> 00:21:32,421 {\an8}that we would go to jail for what we had done. 293 00:21:33,627 --> 00:21:36,377 And Judge Argyle had instructed the jailers 294 00:21:36,463 --> 00:21:38,093 that our hair would be cut off. 295 00:21:38,924 --> 00:21:41,014 And there was outrage. 296 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,510 We realized that we were into something very serious, 297 00:21:44,596 --> 00:21:46,516 and we had very little money, 298 00:21:46,598 --> 00:21:50,098 {\an8}so the connection with John Lennon was made use of. 299 00:21:50,686 --> 00:21:54,726 He suggested he would write something for Oz, write a song. 300 00:21:54,815 --> 00:21:57,685 We think it's just disgusting fascism. 301 00:21:57,776 --> 00:22:01,026 {\an8}And "God Save Us" will help pay for their costs 302 00:22:01,113 --> 00:22:03,033 {\an8}or whatever kind of bread they need. 303 00:22:03,115 --> 00:22:07,575 I think we could get a few thousand pounds out of that record. 304 00:22:07,661 --> 00:22:10,711 So buy it, folks, just to help Oz. 305 00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:12,419 And give it to your kid sister or something, 306 00:22:12,499 --> 00:22:15,919 or keep it for a souvenir of an old trick. 307 00:22:30,809 --> 00:22:32,229 Do the oz 308 00:22:34,479 --> 00:22:35,809 Do the oz 309 00:22:38,317 --> 00:22:40,067 Do the oz, babe 310 00:22:41,945 --> 00:22:44,025 Do the oz 311 00:22:45,282 --> 00:22:47,492 Why do you think they should have been sentenced? 312 00:22:47,576 --> 00:22:49,446 Well, I think it's an example to everybody else. 313 00:22:50,329 --> 00:22:53,619 Everything is becoming far too permissive, there's no privacy. 314 00:22:53,707 --> 00:22:55,327 What's your reaction to the verdict? 315 00:22:55,417 --> 00:22:56,627 I think they asked for it. 316 00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:59,840 My reaction is that they should've been put in prison and kept there. 317 00:23:01,089 --> 00:23:03,379 The shit really had hit the fan. 318 00:23:03,467 --> 00:23:07,597 John Lennon and Yoko Ono were demonstrating against the verdict. 319 00:23:07,679 --> 00:23:11,059 Nobody had ever been sent to prison for such small offenses. 320 00:23:11,141 --> 00:23:12,561 We appealed immediately. 321 00:23:15,979 --> 00:23:18,819 It definitely was a road mark for England. 322 00:23:19,733 --> 00:23:24,663 You could've disapproved of what they did, but you wanted to imprison them. 323 00:23:24,738 --> 00:23:29,618 You are trying to suppress something that you have no control over. 324 00:23:29,701 --> 00:23:31,661 This is a cultural revolution. 325 00:23:31,745 --> 00:23:36,245 You're not aware of what's going on. And it keeps going, see? 326 00:23:37,417 --> 00:23:42,457 Once Pandora's box has been opened, you can't put the lid back on. 327 00:23:58,063 --> 00:24:02,033 When you live in Berlin, you have to get used to all unnormal situations. 328 00:24:02,109 --> 00:24:04,989 Standing here at the wall is a good example. 329 00:24:05,821 --> 00:24:08,821 Every week somebody in East Germany is trying to escape. 330 00:24:08,907 --> 00:24:10,197 Some people are shot. 331 00:24:10,284 --> 00:24:11,874 But if you live here in West Berlin, 332 00:24:11,952 --> 00:24:15,502 you have to get used to it just to make your living here. 333 00:24:18,375 --> 00:24:25,255 {\an8}In Germany there was this desperate need for a calm life. 334 00:24:26,008 --> 00:24:28,638 To keep everything under control 335 00:24:28,719 --> 00:24:32,009 and, yeah, just don't take any risks. 336 00:24:32,097 --> 00:24:35,227 Don't change anything. Just be secure. 337 00:24:37,019 --> 00:24:38,229 In West Berlin now, 338 00:24:38,312 --> 00:24:41,612 more than a quarter of the population is over 65. 339 00:24:42,357 --> 00:24:46,947 It's a quieter, more provincial city than it was even ten years ago. 340 00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:50,529 I understand that from a psychological perspective, 341 00:24:50,616 --> 00:24:56,496 many of these people had connections to the Nazi past. 342 00:24:56,580 --> 00:25:00,290 The guilt, I mean, it was, of course, beyond belief. 343 00:25:03,128 --> 00:25:07,468 But then there's always the eyes of a new generation, 344 00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:10,589 and I was looking for my own identity. 345 00:25:18,393 --> 00:25:22,903 In 1971, a guitar player who was invited to a session 346 00:25:22,981 --> 00:25:25,531 asked me whether I wanted to come along. 347 00:25:25,609 --> 00:25:28,319 And because I hadn't heard of the band, 348 00:25:28,403 --> 00:25:33,083 I first considered, "Should I go home with my girlfriend?" 349 00:25:33,158 --> 00:25:37,538 And luckily I joined him because it was the band Kraftwerk. 350 00:26:01,019 --> 00:26:03,269 It was astonishing for me. 351 00:26:03,355 --> 00:26:07,065 I was totally surprised because their approach to music 352 00:26:07,150 --> 00:26:12,660 was to sound different from anything that had been done before. 353 00:26:12,739 --> 00:26:16,869 A few weeks later, they invited me to play with the band. 354 00:26:30,174 --> 00:26:31,804 We are another generation. 355 00:26:32,467 --> 00:26:36,097 {\an8}We are a more industrial generation. 356 00:26:43,353 --> 00:26:46,983 Music is always in relation to its time. 357 00:26:48,775 --> 00:26:53,565 And now we're living in a completely different time. 358 00:27:03,832 --> 00:27:08,302 American and British bands introduced new lyrics, 359 00:27:08,378 --> 00:27:10,418 new sounds to the music. 360 00:27:10,506 --> 00:27:16,256 But it still stayed in that tradition of American popular music. 361 00:27:16,345 --> 00:27:20,805 Rock music. We wanted to be totally different. 362 00:27:20,891 --> 00:27:23,191 I don't think you'll really, really have a new thing 363 00:27:23,268 --> 00:27:25,768 until you've gotten new music. I mean, you know-- 364 00:27:25,854 --> 00:27:29,484 while you're still basing yourself on a sort of Chuck Berry, you know, 365 00:27:29,566 --> 00:27:32,106 you're still the same, unfortunately. 366 00:27:33,153 --> 00:27:37,413 I want something else, I mean-- don't want Chuck Berry until we die. 367 00:27:37,491 --> 00:27:39,031 We got to have something else, man. 368 00:27:39,117 --> 00:27:42,997 It was an exciting half a year playing with Kraftwerk. 369 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,420 We played some TV shows, some very exciting concerts. 370 00:27:47,501 --> 00:27:49,381 Some not so great concerts. 371 00:27:54,383 --> 00:27:58,053 But when we tried to record the second Kraftwerk album, 372 00:27:58,136 --> 00:28:02,386 the music we had in our minds didn't work in the studio. 373 00:28:04,977 --> 00:28:10,227 And there was constant tension between Klaus Dinger and Florian Schneider. 374 00:28:12,776 --> 00:28:15,356 {\an8}The biggest problem we always had was with drummers. 375 00:28:15,445 --> 00:28:18,565 {\an8}Because they were very much into the whole physical thing. 376 00:28:18,657 --> 00:28:24,157 And they wouldn't stay with us because we asked them to electrify... 377 00:28:24,246 --> 00:28:26,616 to get into electrical sound. 378 00:28:26,707 --> 00:28:29,747 They wouldn't do it, so one day we found ourselves standing there 379 00:28:29,835 --> 00:28:31,335 on our own, just the two of us... 380 00:28:32,337 --> 00:28:37,627 and I just happened to have an old rhythm box machine. 381 00:28:37,718 --> 00:28:40,468 So we started recording with that in 1971 382 00:28:40,554 --> 00:28:43,564 and from that day on, there was no turning back. 383 00:28:48,687 --> 00:28:53,977 It makes no difference if you turn a knob or turn a switch 384 00:28:54,067 --> 00:28:57,857 or if you pluck a string. I mean, what is the difference? 385 00:28:57,946 --> 00:28:59,566 There is no difference. 386 00:28:59,656 --> 00:29:01,826 Who can say what music is? 387 00:29:33,357 --> 00:29:36,067 He came to New York in September. 388 00:29:36,735 --> 00:29:41,565 {\an8}With the manager, the wife, and they wanted to sign to RCA Records. 389 00:29:42,866 --> 00:29:45,406 So that week, I spent a lot of time with them. 390 00:29:48,580 --> 00:29:51,920 {\an8}The older folk at RCA had no clue, 391 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,800 but they relied on their young A&R people 392 00:29:54,878 --> 00:29:58,418 to tell us what is new and exciting 'cause we don't know. 393 00:29:59,132 --> 00:30:06,012 They knew that if they didn't get Bowie, they would lose a major opportunity. 394 00:30:09,935 --> 00:30:13,645 For David, it was a massive sense of freedom. 395 00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:17,940 Suddenly he has the possibility to do whatever he wants. 396 00:30:18,026 --> 00:30:22,406 The idea was to create a new set of possibilities. 397 00:30:31,331 --> 00:30:34,541 {\an8}I took them to the Factory to meet Andy. 398 00:30:34,626 --> 00:30:39,916 {\an8}Like to take a cement fix Be a standing cinema... 399 00:30:40,007 --> 00:30:42,717 {\an8}Now you have to remember this is not David Bowie yet. 400 00:30:42,801 --> 00:30:47,351 He wasn't a star, he's just this guy, and it was a little awkward. 401 00:30:47,431 --> 00:30:50,181 'Cause then he went into this long mime thing 402 00:30:50,267 --> 00:30:52,727 which is about as uncool as you can get. 403 00:30:53,395 --> 00:30:55,555 Two new pence to have a go 404 00:30:56,106 --> 00:30:58,356 I'd like to be a gallery 405 00:30:58,901 --> 00:31:02,241 Put you all inside my show 406 00:31:05,449 --> 00:31:08,369 Andy Warhol looks a scream 407 00:31:08,452 --> 00:31:09,702 Hang him on my wall... 408 00:31:09,786 --> 00:31:13,456 Andy always liked to be entertained, 409 00:31:13,540 --> 00:31:17,960 so he reacted more to very outrageous or flamboyant people. 410 00:31:20,631 --> 00:31:24,471 David may have worn this outfit, or worn a little makeup, 411 00:31:24,551 --> 00:31:26,721 but he was not flamboyant at all. 412 00:31:26,803 --> 00:31:30,353 I mean, he was very charming, but he wasn't the kind of person 413 00:31:30,432 --> 00:31:33,562 that walked into a room and suddenly took over. 414 00:31:33,644 --> 00:31:35,734 Sometimes we're recording, I try to... 415 00:31:35,812 --> 00:31:38,982 I sing, actually, and we say to him... you know. 416 00:31:39,733 --> 00:31:43,823 He's a designer and he spends a lot of time being taken to Italy. 417 00:31:45,531 --> 00:31:49,831 And bringing back ideas and fashions. I thought you might know. 418 00:31:49,910 --> 00:31:52,500 But it was okay. They didn't throw us out. 419 00:31:54,331 --> 00:31:57,331 And he got into the epicenter of where he wanted to go. 420 00:31:58,710 --> 00:32:00,670 Warhol and his followers 421 00:32:00,754 --> 00:32:03,224 do not think or live in a conventional way. 422 00:32:03,298 --> 00:32:08,138 Some people may find his work or his lifestyle unsympathetic or offensive. 423 00:32:08,220 --> 00:32:12,720 It is sometimes difficult to discover where reality ends and fantasy begins. 424 00:32:12,808 --> 00:32:17,268 {\an8}I'm up on the eleventh floor And I'm watching the cruisers below 425 00:32:19,815 --> 00:32:23,935 {\an8}He's down on the street And he's trying hard to pull sister Flo 426 00:32:26,196 --> 00:32:28,236 {\an8}It was this other world, you know? 427 00:32:28,866 --> 00:32:31,826 {\an8}And for me, of course, wanting this other world, 428 00:32:31,910 --> 00:32:34,250 {\an8}I mean, I just fell into it completely. 429 00:32:35,247 --> 00:32:38,497 Here was this alternative world that I'd been talking about. 430 00:32:40,043 --> 00:32:43,513 And it had all the violence, and all the strangeness and the bizarreness. 431 00:32:43,589 --> 00:32:45,469 And it was really happening. 432 00:32:45,549 --> 00:32:48,639 She's so swishy in her satin and tat 433 00:32:48,719 --> 00:32:52,139 In her frock coat and Bipperty-bopperty hat 434 00:32:52,222 --> 00:32:55,852 Oh, God, I could do better than that 435 00:32:57,227 --> 00:33:00,107 There was all kinds of avant-garde theater happening in New York 436 00:33:00,189 --> 00:33:03,069 because everyone was trying to create new forms. 437 00:33:03,150 --> 00:33:07,610 And a lot of it was outrageous, it was just queer. 438 00:33:07,696 --> 00:33:11,406 It didn't fit into the mainstream society, let's put it that way. 439 00:33:11,491 --> 00:33:15,081 There was a danger that David was attracted to. 440 00:33:15,162 --> 00:33:16,792 Being a sexual outlaw. 441 00:33:23,629 --> 00:33:25,459 {\an8}The first time that I met Lou Reed, 442 00:33:26,131 --> 00:33:29,221 {\an8}it was at Max's Kansas City, in the back room. 443 00:33:30,928 --> 00:33:33,928 Not only was Lou Reed at the table, but Iggy at the same time. 444 00:33:34,014 --> 00:33:35,434 So it was Iggy and Lou. 445 00:33:37,184 --> 00:33:41,734 They represented the wild side of existentialist America. 446 00:33:42,523 --> 00:33:45,033 It was this sort of mixture of rock and avant-garde. 447 00:33:46,235 --> 00:33:49,525 That was everything that I thought we should have in England, 448 00:33:49,613 --> 00:33:51,573 and I didn't know if we had it in England. 449 00:33:53,116 --> 00:33:56,826 {\an8}He definitely studied Iggy and Lou... 450 00:33:56,912 --> 00:33:59,582 {\an8}and absorbed certain qualities that they had. 451 00:33:59,665 --> 00:34:01,875 A certain kind of stage performance. 452 00:34:01,959 --> 00:34:05,589 A kind of asexual ambiguity, an edge. 453 00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:09,760 I think there was a missing ingredient in what he had been doing. 454 00:34:09,842 --> 00:34:12,262 And this was it. This was the path. 455 00:34:14,012 --> 00:34:17,602 The interesting thing about David is that he wasn't a natural talent, 456 00:34:17,683 --> 00:34:20,393 but David was an actor. 457 00:34:20,476 --> 00:34:22,766 He did have the ability to play roles, 458 00:34:22,855 --> 00:34:26,015 and he worked at it and worked at it and worked at it. 459 00:34:26,984 --> 00:34:30,244 You know, there was a buzz around Dave. Something was percolating. 460 00:34:35,742 --> 00:34:37,242 Reckon we can cope with this one? 461 00:34:37,327 --> 00:34:41,367 {\an8}In England, David started deconstructing himself. 462 00:34:41,456 --> 00:34:42,536 Like now, man. 463 00:34:42,623 --> 00:34:47,343 We needed new, strong songs from a new, strong, different Bowie. 464 00:34:47,420 --> 00:34:50,090 Just belt it out like that again and we're home and dry. 465 00:34:50,174 --> 00:34:54,894 For David to become a performer that people were desperate to see, 466 00:34:54,969 --> 00:34:57,679 he had to create a new entity. 467 00:34:57,764 --> 00:35:00,314 It's fun time, fun time. 468 00:35:00,392 --> 00:35:01,812 A brand-new rock star. 469 00:35:02,394 --> 00:35:05,024 One, two, three, four. 470 00:35:43,435 --> 00:35:46,015 I would blame, probably, all of it on Kubrick. 471 00:35:46,104 --> 00:35:48,904 Because what I wanted to do was create a culture 472 00:35:48,982 --> 00:35:51,992 around the music that I was writing. 473 00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:57,119 It was something fascinating about this future nihilistic negativity, 474 00:35:57,199 --> 00:35:59,579 which was the culture of Clockwork Orange. 475 00:36:12,714 --> 00:36:16,644 There's never been a gang film or a youth film like it. 476 00:36:17,594 --> 00:36:20,314 Whether it's a spin on style, or that dynamic 477 00:36:20,389 --> 00:36:24,429 {\an8}between the system and the working-class youth, 478 00:36:24,518 --> 00:36:27,858 {\an8}it preempts so many things that happened in its wake. 479 00:36:29,231 --> 00:36:30,651 'Cause you have to understand 480 00:36:30,732 --> 00:36:34,532 that the big subcultural youth movement by then was skinheads. 481 00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:38,910 Skinheads like the Scotswood Aggro Boys 482 00:36:38,991 --> 00:36:41,741 with their uniform styles and checked shirts, 483 00:36:41,827 --> 00:36:44,747 big polished boots, and close cropped hairstyles. 484 00:36:44,830 --> 00:36:48,130 Many proud of their headline reputation for violence. 485 00:36:48,208 --> 00:36:50,498 It's an almost puritanical outlook, 486 00:36:50,586 --> 00:36:55,126 and they strongly disapprove of drugs, beads, and other hippie-style adornments. 487 00:36:55,215 --> 00:36:57,425 But they do have their own type of music. 488 00:37:21,867 --> 00:37:24,947 Do they come to rock concerts at all, the skinheads? 489 00:37:25,037 --> 00:37:27,457 {\an8}No, no. I think the thing is the skinheads 490 00:37:27,539 --> 00:37:29,959 {\an8}really feel that they should have their own music. 491 00:37:30,042 --> 00:37:31,752 What about reggae? 492 00:37:31,835 --> 00:37:34,545 And they should have their say. Well, this is Jamaican stuff. 493 00:37:40,844 --> 00:37:43,314 They've adopted it, but it's not really come from within. 494 00:37:43,388 --> 00:37:44,468 You know what I mean? 495 00:37:44,556 --> 00:37:45,716 How do you get on with the West Indians? 496 00:37:45,807 --> 00:37:50,897 The West Indians? Great. As if they were English. 497 00:37:50,979 --> 00:37:54,779 Why do the young white toughs never have a go at the West Indians? 498 00:37:54,858 --> 00:37:56,778 'Cause they get a right, tasty beatin'. 499 00:37:58,237 --> 00:38:00,357 And another thing, like-- They like the music, 500 00:38:00,447 --> 00:38:02,447 but reggae, that is pure Jamaican music. 501 00:38:04,660 --> 00:38:07,450 Where you gonna run to? 502 00:38:10,999 --> 00:38:17,129 You're gonna run to the Rock for rescue There will be no Rock 503 00:38:17,214 --> 00:38:18,974 A lot of my white mates were skinheads. 504 00:38:19,049 --> 00:38:22,259 To me, it was a massive testament to the power of culture 505 00:38:22,344 --> 00:38:23,974 to bring people together. 506 00:38:24,054 --> 00:38:25,724 You know, music can do that. 507 00:38:25,806 --> 00:38:27,466 -Excuse me. -Yes? 508 00:38:27,558 --> 00:38:28,928 Can we ask you a few questions? 509 00:38:29,017 --> 00:38:30,347 Oh, certainly. Yes, certainly. 510 00:38:30,894 --> 00:38:32,734 What about reggae... is it your favorite music? 511 00:38:32,813 --> 00:38:33,813 But of course. 512 00:38:33,897 --> 00:38:35,567 -Reggae. -Yeah, is it your favorite music? 513 00:38:35,649 --> 00:38:36,649 -Yeah. -Yeah. 514 00:38:36,733 --> 00:38:38,113 First, it was the mods and rockers, 515 00:38:38,193 --> 00:38:42,243 then the trogs and thunderbirds, and now the skinheads and greasers. 516 00:38:42,322 --> 00:38:46,492 But to the townspeople, they only have one name: troublemakers. 517 00:38:46,577 --> 00:38:48,577 If the media had written up headlines 518 00:38:48,662 --> 00:38:51,922 like, "Black and white kids unite through music and style," 519 00:38:51,999 --> 00:38:54,749 it wouldn't have sold any newspapers, you know what I'm saying? 520 00:38:55,419 --> 00:38:58,089 They're always looking for a new folk devil 521 00:38:58,172 --> 00:39:01,052 but every generation needs its own identity, 522 00:39:01,133 --> 00:39:05,353 a new thing different enough to totally captivate you. 523 00:39:19,193 --> 00:39:21,573 It all seems so totally contradictory, 524 00:39:21,653 --> 00:39:23,823 sex and death with rock music. 525 00:39:23,906 --> 00:39:25,026 What is it all about? 526 00:39:25,115 --> 00:39:27,485 {\an8}We are what America represents right now. 527 00:39:27,576 --> 00:39:30,446 {\an8}The parts they don't wanna see. We're just bringing it out in the open 528 00:39:30,537 --> 00:39:32,657 {\an8}because it's there, you know, and it's fun for us to do it. 529 00:39:32,748 --> 00:39:36,078 We don't go on just as a rock group, we go on as a piece of kinetic art. 530 00:39:37,085 --> 00:39:38,955 It's sort of like taking A Clockwork Orange 531 00:39:39,046 --> 00:39:40,256 and putting it onstage. 532 00:39:42,007 --> 00:39:45,217 {\an8}David saw Alice at the Rainbow in London. 533 00:39:45,302 --> 00:39:47,722 {\an8}I think what caught David's imagination 534 00:39:47,804 --> 00:39:52,684 {\an8}was, okay, you can actually play-act onstage 535 00:39:52,768 --> 00:39:55,978 {\an8}and make music alongside it. 536 00:39:56,063 --> 00:39:57,983 This is just what I wanna be when I'm onstage. 537 00:39:58,065 --> 00:40:00,145 Alice goes onstage and just wants to be this. 538 00:40:00,234 --> 00:40:02,824 And so I let Alice do anything he wants to do. 539 00:40:03,487 --> 00:40:06,067 And that's frightening, and people like to be frightened. 540 00:40:06,156 --> 00:40:09,236 Parents don't like to be frightened but kids love to be frightened. 541 00:40:21,797 --> 00:40:24,507 {\an8}It was still very hard for anybody to realize 542 00:40:24,591 --> 00:40:26,431 {\an8}that a rock artist can go onstage 543 00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:29,050 {\an8}and be a different person every time he goes onstage. 544 00:40:29,137 --> 00:40:31,677 You don't have to be the same personality. 545 00:40:32,266 --> 00:40:36,136 And I just trusted in my own conceptions. 546 00:40:37,062 --> 00:40:39,152 By then Hunky Dory was coming out. 547 00:40:42,734 --> 00:40:45,454 {\an8}But David had started working on a new album. 548 00:40:45,529 --> 00:40:50,739 He was really ambitious, and so was Tony. They wanted world domination. 549 00:40:55,539 --> 00:40:57,579 {\an8}From the earliest history of mankind, 550 00:40:57,666 --> 00:41:01,246 {\an8}there's been a great red speck of light in the night sky. 551 00:41:01,336 --> 00:41:03,666 I was getting nearer to what I wanted to do. 552 00:41:03,755 --> 00:41:07,295 {\an8}Hunky Dory was really stepping off this planet and going somewhere else. 553 00:41:10,262 --> 00:41:14,312 {\an8}Things were changing before our very eyes on the Martian surface. 554 00:41:14,391 --> 00:41:18,351 The whole Hunky Dory album reflected my newfound enthusiasm 555 00:41:18,437 --> 00:41:21,477 for this new continent that had been opened up to me. 556 00:41:21,565 --> 00:41:24,275 Flash to Westminster to get the great result. 557 00:41:24,359 --> 00:41:26,989 The majority is 112, 558 00:41:27,070 --> 00:41:30,240 {\an8}that is quite considerably bigger than many people expected. 559 00:41:30,324 --> 00:41:33,914 {\an8}We've not only got something which we shall gain from Europe, 560 00:41:33,994 --> 00:41:36,504 {\an8}but I think also, we've got a great deal to put in. 561 00:41:36,580 --> 00:41:39,670 It really, for me, felt like the new era had begun then. 562 00:41:43,337 --> 00:41:46,297 Did you really expect to be let off like this? 563 00:41:46,381 --> 00:41:48,011 Well, you always hope and pray, I suppose. 564 00:41:48,091 --> 00:41:51,051 All of us are very, very happy that we'll-- don't have to go back to jail. 565 00:41:51,136 --> 00:41:54,056 There's been a lot of talk about how the Oz trial 566 00:41:54,139 --> 00:41:57,349 has been a victory for the establishment over the freedom of youth. 567 00:41:57,434 --> 00:42:00,024 -Do you see it in those terms? -Well, not at all. I-- 568 00:42:00,103 --> 00:42:03,233 I think the first thing I'd like to say is that the fight is only just beginning. 569 00:42:03,315 --> 00:42:05,685 If there is life on Mars, 570 00:42:05,776 --> 00:42:10,106 then there will be a simply fabulous expansion of perspective, 571 00:42:10,197 --> 00:42:14,077 {\an8}because all the organisms on the Earth, even though they seem to be different, 572 00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:15,409 {\an8}are fundamentally the same. 573 00:42:15,494 --> 00:42:18,004 {\an8}Their chemistry is all identical. 574 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,670 And they're just wrapped in different kinds of wrappings. 575 00:42:25,420 --> 00:42:27,420 As the familiar pattern of Christmas 576 00:42:27,506 --> 00:42:29,296 and the New Year repeats itself, 577 00:42:30,342 --> 00:42:35,012 we may sometimes forget how much the world about us has been changing 578 00:42:35,097 --> 00:42:37,887 with all the technological wonders of this age. 579 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,440 It makes me wonder what changes there may be in the future. 580 00:42:42,521 --> 00:42:44,731 We cannot possibly tell. 581 00:42:53,156 --> 00:42:55,696 ...how these kids who care nothing about it at all, 582 00:42:55,784 --> 00:42:57,494 except to greet that New Year 583 00:42:57,578 --> 00:42:59,748 which may mean new hope and promise for all of us. 584 00:42:59,830 --> 00:43:04,290 Seconds to go, just a few seconds before the ball hits the bottom. 585 00:43:04,376 --> 00:43:09,046 And there's five, four, three, two, one. 586 00:43:09,131 --> 00:43:10,421 There it is! 587 00:43:17,431 --> 00:43:21,731 1972. Happy New Year to you all. 588 00:44:11,527 --> 00:44:13,397 Oh, yeah 589 00:44:21,286 --> 00:44:23,536 Now Ziggy played guitar 590 00:44:24,081 --> 00:44:27,501 Jamming good with Weird and Gilly 591 00:44:27,584 --> 00:44:29,844 And the Spiders from Mars 592 00:44:30,337 --> 00:44:32,587 He played it left hand 593 00:44:33,966 --> 00:44:35,966 But made it too far 594 00:44:36,677 --> 00:44:41,677 Became the special man Then we were Ziggy's Band 595 00:44:43,725 --> 00:44:46,595 It just came to me that what I was doing, in fact, 596 00:44:46,687 --> 00:44:50,727 was what the next stage of things was all about. 597 00:44:50,816 --> 00:44:53,236 Like some cat from Japan 598 00:44:53,902 --> 00:44:56,992 He could lick 'em by smiling 599 00:44:57,072 --> 00:44:59,282 Christ, what have we done? 600 00:44:59,366 --> 00:45:01,536 Fuck me, we've just killed the '60s. 601 00:45:01,618 --> 00:45:03,948 You know, it was like it really felt like that. 602 00:45:04,872 --> 00:45:06,332 We are the future. 603 00:45:09,251 --> 00:45:12,711 So where were the spiders 604 00:45:14,715 --> 00:45:19,385 While the fly tried to Break our balls? 605 00:45:20,846 --> 00:45:24,306 Just the beer light to guide us 606 00:45:25,392 --> 00:45:31,822 So we bitched about his fans And should we crush his sweet hands?