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PERSON: OK, there's lots of
good Canadian music out there.
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We're gonna do
a couple of songs.
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Uh, for anybody from Alberta,
this is Four Strong Winds.
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ALL: ♪ Four strong winds
that blow lonely ♪
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♪ Seven seas that run high ♪
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My name is Tamara Lee Reynolds.
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ALL:
♪ Change come what may ♪
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TAMARA: We've been playing
about ten years.
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One of the ladies
in my book club
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offered to teach us
in her home.
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So about seven of us
signed up.
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And then the class
kept getting bigger.
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Bars and nightclubs
and, you know, whatever.
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Yeah, Jimmy Fallon
might get word of us.
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[laughs]
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[cheers and applause]
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That was fun.
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[light music]
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♪ ♪
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I'm the proud mother
of four boys.
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This is Ryan.
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This is Jeffrey,
Terry, and Patrick.
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Ryan kind of was an old soul,
and I
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always say that I think
he brought himself up.
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You know, he had the example
of the older boys,
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who kind of looked out
for him.
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And, um, he just had,
um, some wisdom about him.
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But it was not easy growing up
as Jim Reynolds' sons.
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Sometimes Jim was not--
like, a lot of times--
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not emotionally available.
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So I--my role,
as far as I can see it,
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was to be emotionally
available for the kids.
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Um, that was a tough time,
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and it was very hard for me
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because I could see he was
overdisciplining the kids.
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But he didn't know
any differently.
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He would just explode,
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occasionally, you know,
throw something
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against the wall
that had to be fixed after,
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and then he went, damn,
I got to fix all this now.
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And I went, yep.
[laughs]
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You know, I think he kind of
forgot to have fun
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with them too.
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♪ ♪
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When he was diagnosed
with Parkinson's,
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it was a downward journey.
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It was a tough situation.
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♪ ♪
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Ryan would love
to have Jim here
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to see how well he's doing,
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as would the other boys.
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Jim did the best he could
with what he knew at the time.
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His emotional kit was a little
lacking, not quite adequate.
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I'm pleased as a mom
to see all four boys
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reconciling the past
in a way that works for them.
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They know that Jim would
have been so proud of them.
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♪ ♪
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SINGER: ♪ Don't forget
where you came from ♪
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♪ Don't forget
what you're made of ♪
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♪ The ones who were there ♪
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♪ When no one else
would care ♪
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♪ Don't be afraid to cry now ♪
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♪ Even when the world
comes crashing in ♪
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♪ ♪
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♪ Don't forget to sing
when you win ♪
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♪ ♪
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♪ Don't forget to sing
when you win ♪
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My relationship
with my father
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was almost exclusively
tethered and held together
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by our mutual love of sports.
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Kind of everything,
you know,
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the only thing we talked about,
so it was just so much.
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It was such a harbor
in the tempest
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there for so many people.
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It's a safe place
to always return to.
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- Yeah.
- So no matter what happens,
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no matter how frayed
or fractured
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your relationship might be,
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it's a common ground
that you can always...
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Yeah.
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Come back to
and reset and restart.
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This is a generational experience.
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Um, and there are so many
things that we pass on--
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that we inherit
and that we pass on.
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When I think about this
experience with Wrexham,
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I try to think of all
the wonderful things
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that were passed down to me.
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And I try to take the best
parts of those things
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and give those to my children.
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My kids are obsessed
with Wrexham.
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They're obsessed with Wrexham.
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[upbeat music]
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[crowd cheering]
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CROWD:
Wrexham! Wrexham!
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Wrexham! Wrexham!
Wrexham! Wrexham! Wrexham!
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Come on, Ollie.
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OLLIE: Very fortunate
to have a father
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who's very much in my life
and my kids' lives.
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And, you know, to have a great
relationship with him is--
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is fantastic
for me and--and my kids
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because, you know,
I--I say to people,
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he's like one of my
best mates, you know.
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Oh!
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Oh, for--come on.
What? Tozer.
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Oh, no, I was just--
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When you become a parent,
my first thought was,
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what a wanker I used to be.
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Wow.
- What do you mean, used to be?
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Yeah, so I just felt like
I had so many thank-yous
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to give to my parents.
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And I--I was kind of in awe
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of what they'd done for me
growing up.
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I think, with me, though,
I'm not really
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spending much quality time
with my children,
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apart from on a Sunday.
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CHILD: Daddy.
OLLIE: What?
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CAITLIN: Ollie,
do you want coffee or tea?
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No, I won't have
any caffeine till the game.
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I'll have tea--
actually, do you know what?
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I think there's more caffeine
in tea than there is coffee.
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CAITLIN: So do you want
a coffee or a tea?
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OLLIE:
Yeah, fuck it.
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So a coffee or A tea?
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OLLIE: Yeah, I'll have
a coffee, please.
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It's been hard for me because
I've been away from my family.
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VINNY:
40 number 6.
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OLLIE: If we could move
Wrexham down to London,
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that would be
ideal scenario.
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But that's unfortunately
impossible, so yeah,
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we've just got to keep--
keep going,
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making it work how we are.
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And we've kind of found
a bit of a middle ground now
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with how I travel up
and staying up here
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and getting home and being at
home at the right times and...
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It's been
over a year now since--
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OLLIE:
Yeah, it's been over a year
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since I've actually been
at home on a match day.
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Yeah, this is as normal as--
and as homely
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as it would get, I guess.
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Isn't it?
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Sometimes my wife says,
you know, this isn't--
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this isn't what married life's
meant to be like.
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But what is it meant
to be like?
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I don't know.
I don't know.
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You've got to make do,
and you've got to work things
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out and, uh, make sacrifices.
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And she understands that,
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and my kids are learning
to understand that.
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Or was it Mummy?
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I am actually missing that--
his football,
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which is
our biggest passion together.
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You know, he gets upset
about me not being there.
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My dad was away a lot.
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And, um, for me,
that was always exciting
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to have my dad
at football games.
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I remember I used to be like,
yes, Dad's here,
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because it wasn't
an everyday occurrence
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because you had work.
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[groaning]
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Oh!
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I've always wanted
to be a policeman.
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And that's what I aimed to do
and actually got in at 18.
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As time went on, I went
into Royalty Protection.
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I worked with various members
of the royal family,
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queen being one of them.
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And then my last six years
of my, uh, service,
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I was personal
protection officer
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to the Prince of Wales,
who is now Majesty the King.
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I mean, there are
huge moments.
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You know, there's
going down the Thames
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on the royal barge
for the Jubilee
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or Remembrance Sunday
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or even the Royal Albert Hall,
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uh, Royal Variety Performance
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with Dame Edna Everage
in the royal box,
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which is a good clip.
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[laughter and applause]
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To be part of all
those big events,
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you know, such a privilege.
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But it entailed going away
for two or three days a week
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or even two weeks at times.
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Come on, Ollie.
That's it.
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Control it.
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There were times when they were
younger when Ollie's got a--
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you know, he's in the semifinal
of a cup match
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or a school play.
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Or you've organized to go out
and do something,
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and all of a sudden, the day
before or two days before,
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it's totally rearranged,
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and--and you disappoint
the family
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um, that you're not
gonna be there.
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I mean, you have to ask Ollie
how many times I've--
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I've disappointed him
over the years,
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together with his brother
and sister.
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OLLIE: My mum and dad,
obviously, divorced
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when I was about 11 or 12.
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I was very happily
married to Ollie's dad.
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Um...
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we had a--I thought we had
a great marriage.
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And we had three
wonderful children.
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I was very confident
about the future
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and, um, loved our family life.
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But then Andy left.
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[somber music]
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I was devastated
because I always thought
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that I would always
be married to Andy.
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I, you know, loved him a lot, um,
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so I suppose it--it...
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blew my world apart.
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ANDY: Any marital split-up
with--with children involved
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is a huge upset.
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That was a very difficult time
for me personally.
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How do I go about telling
my three children,
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who I love to bits, that--
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that Daddy is not
gonna be around anymore
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and Daddy's gonna
move out of the house?
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That was, like, a really
fucking hard day. Um...
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It's more--it's more the
arguing of my mum and my dad.
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That's what I really remember,
just sitting in--
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in the study...
ANDY: Yeah.
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And hearing you two
arguing in the dining room.
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And then we was all crying.
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Yeah.
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It wasn't an easy divorce.
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I'll put it that way.
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At that point in time when--
when he left, we didn't know.
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I didn't know the reason.
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Um, kept thinking
it was another woman.
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I didn't find out the truth
until months later.
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ANDY:
Well, it took a long time.
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It didn't--it wasn't
an overnight decision.
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It was months and months
of deciding
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of what route do I take,
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and how do I go about
telling my children
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their dad is also gay?
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[upbeat music]
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On my agenda:
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uh, players' house,
match-day travel,
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program, safeguarding,
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match confirmations
to other clubs,
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match officials, scouts,
um, a bit on medical.
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Mitch, can you speak to Lee
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about, um, menus
for next season?
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MITCH:
Yeah.
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FLEUR: Uh, and then just
some practical bits
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around training schedules, really,
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so everybody's aligned.
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So yeah, a bit varied,
in no particular order.
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[chuckles]
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Every day is different
within a football club.
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Particularly here,
over the last two years,
253
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it's--we've seen
such a growth.
254
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It's definitely
a daily challenge. [laughs]
255
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PERSON: It's like you've got
a castle of gin.
256
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I know.
I haven't got tempted yet.
257
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[laughs]
258
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I'm sure I will
at some point, but not yet.
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For the family, it's, you know,
the people who don't see you,
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you know, for six days a week
261
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and phone calls
on Christmas Day
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or in the night
and all sorts of things,
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but, you know, that--that's
what you take on
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and that's what
you love, really.
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Yeah, I think, to get me here,
there's not been any sort of,
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you know, one defining moment.
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I think it's many years of, um,
probably working
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in a family business
and working for my father,
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where there is no favoritism
or anything like that.
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You have to work harder
than everybody else
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to prove yourself.
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And, uh, that put me
in good stead
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for, you know,
what I'm doing now.
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Then, father originally
was at Burton Albion.
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I think he started
as a commercial manager
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and then was a chairman
first time round.
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So when I was a child,
I can remember
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sitting with the tea ladies
in the tearoom
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and then, after the matches,
sitting in the changing rooms
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while my dad spoke
to the manager
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after the game, which I have
very vivid memories
282
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of the--
the old-style baths there
283
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with all the dirty water
in it
284
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and the smell
of liniment everywhere.
285
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But, uh...[laughs]
286
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Well, when you're a child,
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you don't think about it,
do you, particularly?
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You just, you know, go with
your dad to watch football.
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And--but now I look back,
you know,
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we've had some very special
times together
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and, uh, you know,
moments that,
292
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you know, last forever, really,
293
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creating those moments.
294
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So it's been great.
295
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And that's--that's the only day
I've seen you
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with tears in your eyes,
on the day, uh, I left.
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I've learned everything,
you know,
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from working with my dad,
you know,
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from the values
that he brings, you know,
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that community engagement,
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which has always been
the--the main priority.
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You--you create
the right culture
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within your environment.
304
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He's the oldest kitman
in the country.
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80...
- 3.
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83, yeah.
How long you been here, Rocky?
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- 29 years...
- 29.
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14 days, 16 hours
through now.
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FLEUR: My dad's starting life
was--was challenging,
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you know, with his
circumstances with his--
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you know, his mom bringing
him up as a single parent.
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And, you know,
that's created my dad
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to be the person
that he is today,
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and that--that's filtered
to myself.
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BEN: Fleur's made a massive
contribution to where--
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to this club's success
and journey
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over all those years,
you know.
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My problem now
is getting ahold of her.
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She's so committed
and focused on Wrexham
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that it probably takes her
two days to ring me back,
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you know,
so that's the downside.
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- Thank you.
- [chuckles]
323
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[crowd cheering]
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ANDY:
My life was Andy Palmer,
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the heterosexual married man,
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three children, um,
327
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being a police officer.
328
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Um, and now all of a sudden,
329
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the people
that thought they knew me,
330
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suddenly they know
a different person.
331
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Yeah it was a shock,
shock to my system.
332
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And I wished I'd found out
when it happened
333
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and that he was honest
and truthful with me.
334
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And we sort of kept it
from the children.
335
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Uh, and that wasn't my choice.
336
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We ended up telling them
about 18 months later.
337
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ANDY: They don't write books
about how to go about it.
338
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And you never know how your
children are gonna react.
339
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[somber music]
340
00:14:17,558 --> 00:14:21,065
I think my oldest child
found it the hardest,
341
00:14:21,065 --> 00:14:24,071
but Ollie took it
in his stride, really.
342
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He seemed to accept it,
343
00:14:26,408 --> 00:14:30,083
accept the situation
that we were in.
344
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My dad didn't really ever
express himself as a--as a--
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as a person, as a dad.
346
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He didn't let us know
how he was feeling.
347
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And we spoke about that
when I got older.
348
00:14:41,706 --> 00:14:44,712
We spoke about why
he kept things back.
349
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We spoke about why he made
some decisions that he made.
350
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You know, he mentioned
that he wanted to keep
351
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his feelings to himself
352
00:14:56,035 --> 00:14:59,007
because I was not old enough
to understand them.
353
00:14:59,007 --> 00:15:02,113
I was--that's OK.
That was his choice, you know?
354
00:15:02,113 --> 00:15:04,652
Do you know what I found
really comforting
355
00:15:04,652 --> 00:15:07,157
is that we did have
a good marriage,
356
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and actually, he didn't
leave me for another woman.
357
00:15:10,129 --> 00:15:12,434
Um, he actually left me
for another guy.
358
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And I can't compete with that.
359
00:15:14,606 --> 00:15:19,147
And he did say to me, you're
the only woman I'll ever love.
360
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And I always get
a lot of comfort from that.
361
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[cheers and applause]
362
00:15:25,126 --> 00:15:27,164
I'm getting emotional now
because I've never
363
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spoken about it.
364
00:15:28,567 --> 00:15:30,403
But, you know, you're
the strongest person I know.
365
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And I love you very much.
366
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And thank you for always
being there for me.
367
00:15:34,478 --> 00:15:36,550
- Oh, thank you.
- And you're the best.
368
00:15:36,550 --> 00:15:37,685
You're the best mum
I could have asked for.
369
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I love you too. Gosh.
370
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Here he comes.
371
00:15:41,192 --> 00:15:42,562
Holding up the traffic?
372
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ANDY:
Just a typical...
373
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ANDY:
Yeah.
374
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This is all
he's done for work,
375
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really, last 20 years.
376
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I appreciate that, actually.
377
00:15:53,115 --> 00:15:56,188
Must have been an extremely
tough time for you, you know?
378
00:15:56,188 --> 00:15:58,292
You had a...
379
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Certain job.
380
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Certain job which come
with a lot of coverage.
381
00:16:02,367 --> 00:16:03,604
Yeah.
382
00:16:03,604 --> 00:16:08,179
And also,
you had parents who were--
383
00:16:08,179 --> 00:16:09,616
what's the word?
384
00:16:09,616 --> 00:16:13,189
You know what my dad
said to me when I told him?
385
00:16:13,189 --> 00:16:14,458
No.
386
00:16:14,458 --> 00:16:16,496
He said, can you go--
go to the doctor
387
00:16:16,496 --> 00:16:19,134
and get any tablets for it?
388
00:16:19,134 --> 00:16:25,079
So--but that's--that's what
the people of my dad's era
389
00:16:25,079 --> 00:16:28,286
would think, that you could
just go to your local doctor
390
00:16:28,286 --> 00:16:29,354
and get a cure for it.
391
00:16:29,354 --> 00:16:30,758
But this is the thing, right.
392
00:16:30,758 --> 00:16:33,530
As I speak to people openly
about you being gay,
393
00:16:33,530 --> 00:16:36,201
by telling them,
they go, my brother's gay.
394
00:16:36,201 --> 00:16:37,638
Well, they feel
more comfortable in your--
395
00:16:37,638 --> 00:16:39,107
This is what happened with--
396
00:16:39,107 --> 00:16:40,511
this is what happened
with Rob McElhenney.
397
00:16:40,511 --> 00:16:41,780
Yeah.
398
00:16:41,780 --> 00:16:43,482
OLLIE: You came to the--
to the Racecourse.
399
00:16:43,482 --> 00:16:45,219
To Wrexham, yeah.
400
00:16:45,219 --> 00:16:46,623
I said to Rob,
this is my dad.
401
00:16:46,623 --> 00:16:48,359
This is his partner, Mark.
402
00:16:48,359 --> 00:16:51,265
And then we traveled
down to the game,
403
00:16:51,265 --> 00:16:53,302
and he traveled with us.
ANDY: Oh, OK.
404
00:16:53,302 --> 00:16:56,576
And I said, that wasn't his
business partner, by the way.
405
00:16:56,576 --> 00:16:58,714
He said, I did have an idea.
I was like, why?
406
00:16:58,714 --> 00:17:00,149
[light music]
407
00:17:00,149 --> 00:17:02,454
Hi, my name
is Helena McElhenney.
408
00:17:02,454 --> 00:17:04,391
My son is Rob McElhenney.
409
00:17:04,391 --> 00:17:05,828
And this is his other mom,
410
00:17:05,828 --> 00:17:08,232
my wife, Mary Taylor.
411
00:17:08,232 --> 00:17:09,769
I'm in the same position
as Ollie.
412
00:17:09,769 --> 00:17:13,242
My parents got divorced
when I was eight or nine.
413
00:17:13,242 --> 00:17:17,551
And as an adult, we can both
look back at our parents
414
00:17:17,551 --> 00:17:20,323
and recognize
the amount of courage
415
00:17:20,323 --> 00:17:23,262
that it took for them
to do exactly what they did.
416
00:17:23,262 --> 00:17:26,670
HELENA: I was afraid
not only for my children
417
00:17:26,670 --> 00:17:28,172
but for myself.
418
00:17:28,172 --> 00:17:29,809
ROB: I have so much
empathy for her
419
00:17:29,809 --> 00:17:33,316
in that situation because
it was a different time.
420
00:17:33,316 --> 00:17:36,756
And anybody
who's over the age of 35
421
00:17:36,756 --> 00:17:39,127
who's watching this
can understand.
422
00:17:39,127 --> 00:17:40,430
And I think one
of the beautiful things
423
00:17:40,430 --> 00:17:42,802
about our culture right now is,
anybody under the age of 35
424
00:17:42,802 --> 00:17:44,438
might not even know what
the fuck I'm talking about.
425
00:17:44,438 --> 00:17:46,876
I get asked, uh, a lot
426
00:17:46,876 --> 00:17:48,446
about what it was like
to have two moms.
427
00:17:48,446 --> 00:17:50,818
And the truth is, I don't know
anything different.
428
00:17:50,818 --> 00:17:53,289
Um, it was pretty great.
429
00:17:53,289 --> 00:17:56,428
It definitely shaped my view
of--of the world,
430
00:17:56,428 --> 00:17:57,832
my perspective.
431
00:17:57,832 --> 00:18:00,169
We had to recognize
that not every family
432
00:18:00,169 --> 00:18:01,305
looked exactly the same.
433
00:18:01,305 --> 00:18:03,877
Uh, and yet we had nothing
but love and support
434
00:18:03,877 --> 00:18:05,446
and compassion and empathy.
435
00:18:05,446 --> 00:18:08,319
I felt like, growing up,
I was the only kid
436
00:18:08,319 --> 00:18:10,524
in the world with a--
with a gay dad.
437
00:18:10,524 --> 00:18:11,726
I'm open about it now.
- Yeah.
438
00:18:11,726 --> 00:18:12,895
I--I tell people.
439
00:18:12,895 --> 00:18:15,233
Uh, I mean,
I don't talk about it
440
00:18:15,233 --> 00:18:16,903
like it's a--a big event.
441
00:18:16,903 --> 00:18:20,511
But, you know, if someone says,
oh, um,
442
00:18:20,511 --> 00:18:22,180
is your dad married?
443
00:18:22,180 --> 00:18:24,451
And they say, oh,
is she coming to the game?
444
00:18:24,451 --> 00:18:25,654
I'm like, yeah, he is.
445
00:18:25,654 --> 00:18:28,225
[laughter]
446
00:18:28,225 --> 00:18:29,327
HELENA:
If I could go back,
447
00:18:29,327 --> 00:18:32,200
I would tell me
to not be afraid,
448
00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,341
to be strong and know that
because you are who you are
449
00:18:36,341 --> 00:18:39,213
and you have a loving family
that they'll support you.
450
00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:46,596
It's been great,
really, and I wish
451
00:18:46,596 --> 00:18:48,399
we probably did do it more.
452
00:18:48,399 --> 00:18:51,740
But again, we're both
really laid-back.
453
00:18:51,740 --> 00:18:54,612
We probably don't speak
about our emotions
454
00:18:54,612 --> 00:18:55,914
as much as what we should.
455
00:18:55,914 --> 00:18:58,419
And that's just who we are.
456
00:18:58,419 --> 00:19:00,289
But as long as my dad
knows that I love him
457
00:19:00,289 --> 00:19:03,362
and I know that he loves me,
then I'm happy.
458
00:19:03,362 --> 00:19:06,402
Mm. Love you too.
459
00:19:06,402 --> 00:19:07,772
- Don't cry.
- [chortles]
460
00:19:07,772 --> 00:19:10,376
[laughs]
461
00:19:10,376 --> 00:19:11,980
No, we're fine.
462
00:19:11,980 --> 00:19:13,683
All good.
- Yeah, we're good.
463
00:19:13,683 --> 00:19:16,388
Love you.
- Yeah.
464
00:19:16,388 --> 00:19:17,390
[chuckles]
465
00:19:20,797 --> 00:19:23,770
[rock music]
466
00:19:23,770 --> 00:19:25,641
♪ ♪
467
00:19:25,641 --> 00:19:28,245
PERSON:
All right, simple. Good.
468
00:19:28,245 --> 00:19:29,549
Go ahead, have a fucking...
469
00:19:29,549 --> 00:19:31,786
So every football team
is a--is a tapestry
470
00:19:31,786 --> 00:19:33,422
made up of all
the different players,
471
00:19:33,422 --> 00:19:34,826
but they're united
by the same goal,
472
00:19:34,826 --> 00:19:36,428
which is that they want
to win.
473
00:19:36,428 --> 00:19:37,665
They want to do well
for this town, this team,
474
00:19:37,665 --> 00:19:40,403
and get out of its league.
475
00:19:40,403 --> 00:19:42,541
Elliot was a--was a player
we'd looked at
476
00:19:42,541 --> 00:19:45,948
and we chased the hardest
because he had a lot of clubs
477
00:19:45,948 --> 00:19:47,417
wanting to sign him.
478
00:19:47,417 --> 00:19:48,520
SINGER:
♪ Here we go again ♪
479
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,926
♪ Here we go again,
yeah, yeah ♪
480
00:19:51,926 --> 00:19:53,797
HUMPHREY:
He's another great character
481
00:19:53,797 --> 00:19:56,803
and a very gifted footballer.
482
00:19:56,803 --> 00:19:59,241
ELLIOT: Said to my agent--
when my contract ran out
483
00:19:59,241 --> 00:20:01,245
at my last club, I said,
I want to be part of something.
484
00:20:01,245 --> 00:20:03,415
I want to be part of a project,
something that--that--
485
00:20:03,415 --> 00:20:05,521
that's bigger than myself
and something
486
00:20:05,521 --> 00:20:07,558
that actually
I'm passionate about.
487
00:20:07,558 --> 00:20:10,531
Um, and that's when the phone
call from Wrexham came.
488
00:20:10,531 --> 00:20:12,668
And I was like,
that's--that's sort of fate.
489
00:20:12,668 --> 00:20:15,674
Like, this is probably one of
the best projects in football.
490
00:20:15,674 --> 00:20:17,277
PERSON:
Good boy!
491
00:20:17,277 --> 00:20:18,980
[hammer banging]
492
00:20:20,517 --> 00:20:21,819
There you go.
493
00:20:23,790 --> 00:20:25,293
- Yeah.
- Is it straight?
494
00:20:25,293 --> 00:20:26,295
- Yeah, that's all right, that.
- There you go.
495
00:20:26,295 --> 00:20:28,867
I was originally born
in Newcastle
496
00:20:28,867 --> 00:20:31,004
'cause obviously,
my dad played football.
497
00:20:31,004 --> 00:20:33,409
So, um, he was playing
for Newcastle then.
498
00:20:33,409 --> 00:20:34,712
ROB LEE: My one and only
game against Wrexham
499
00:20:34,712 --> 00:20:36,448
must have been 30 years ago.
500
00:20:36,448 --> 00:20:37,751
And that's the only time I've
ever played at the Racecourse.
501
00:20:37,751 --> 00:20:40,490
But again, had huge support.
502
00:20:40,490 --> 00:20:42,495
My dad's had
a really successful career.
503
00:20:42,495 --> 00:20:45,600
He's got 21 caps for
the national team for England.
504
00:20:46,234 --> 00:20:48,607
HUMPHREY: What a cap signifies
is the number of times
505
00:20:48,607 --> 00:20:50,978
a player appeared
for his or her
506
00:20:50,978 --> 00:20:52,615
national football team.
507
00:20:52,615 --> 00:20:54,519
So if you played a match
for England,
508
00:20:54,519 --> 00:20:56,856
for example,
you receive an honorary cap.
509
00:20:56,856 --> 00:20:58,593
So in the case of Rob Lee,
510
00:20:58,593 --> 00:21:00,731
he's played for England
21 times,
511
00:21:00,731 --> 00:21:03,603
and he has 21 caps.
512
00:21:03,603 --> 00:21:05,339
ROB LEE: Don't drop that.
ELLIOT: It's all right.
513
00:21:05,339 --> 00:21:06,509
You got 20 more, don't you?
ROB LEE: Yeah, I have.
514
00:21:06,509 --> 00:21:08,345
Yeah, you're right.
Yeah, you're right.
515
00:21:08,345 --> 00:21:09,481
ELLIOT: So obviously,
when you're growing up
516
00:21:09,481 --> 00:21:10,851
and you're seeing your dad
do stuff like that,
517
00:21:10,851 --> 00:21:13,322
it's--it's only natural
to think, wow, one day, I--
518
00:21:13,322 --> 00:21:14,592
I want to be doing this
519
00:21:14,592 --> 00:21:16,328
and I want to be playing
in front of these crowds.
520
00:21:16,328 --> 00:21:17,463
To become a footballer,
521
00:21:17,463 --> 00:21:18,633
but I think seeing
your dad do it
522
00:21:18,633 --> 00:21:20,637
and play at the level he has
is, uh--
523
00:21:20,637 --> 00:21:22,875
was sort of a driving force
in me and my brother.
524
00:21:22,875 --> 00:21:24,612
And we'd get home from school,
straight out in the garden,
525
00:21:24,612 --> 00:21:26,783
me and my brother just
playing football all the time.
526
00:21:26,783 --> 00:21:29,655
I think I'm sometimes known
as the son of Rob Lee.
527
00:21:29,655 --> 00:21:31,526
Yeah, I get a good reception
every time I go back.
528
00:21:31,526 --> 00:21:33,062
Mind you, if you start
playing badly,
529
00:21:33,062 --> 00:21:34,899
I--I probably won't, but...
[laughter]
530
00:21:34,899 --> 00:21:36,869
Neither will I.
531
00:21:42,681 --> 00:21:44,919
Uh, maybe taking Wrexham
to the Premier League.
532
00:21:44,919 --> 00:21:46,656
[laughs]
533
00:21:46,656 --> 00:21:49,094
Me and Ollie Palmer
went for a--for a drink
534
00:21:49,094 --> 00:21:50,564
a few weekends ago.
535
00:21:50,564 --> 00:21:53,570
And I don't think
we paid for one drink, so...
536
00:21:53,570 --> 00:21:55,039
I haven't paid for one
for 20 years.
537
00:21:55,039 --> 00:21:56,408
[laughter]
538
00:21:56,408 --> 00:21:59,447
[light music]
539
00:21:59,447 --> 00:22:00,684
OLLIE: Everything I do
is for my kids.
540
00:22:00,684 --> 00:22:02,688
They're--they're
my absolute world.
541
00:22:02,688 --> 00:22:06,529
And I--I feel so lucky
every day to--to have them.
542
00:22:06,529 --> 00:22:07,665
CAITLIN:
He is always--
543
00:22:07,665 --> 00:22:09,434
he's just always with the kids,
544
00:22:09,434 --> 00:22:10,771
just always
playing with the kids.
545
00:22:10,771 --> 00:22:13,710
- Whoop!
- Good boy.
546
00:22:13,710 --> 00:22:15,948
Doing everything he can
to get out of laundry
547
00:22:15,948 --> 00:22:17,952
or cooking a meal.
548
00:22:17,952 --> 00:22:20,422
Whoa-ho-ho!
549
00:22:22,761 --> 00:22:26,001
Um--oh, I don't know
why I'm crying.
550
00:22:26,001 --> 00:22:28,940
He's just really,
really caring, um,
551
00:22:28,940 --> 00:22:31,846
does everything for the kids
552
00:22:31,846 --> 00:22:33,617
and for me and just for us.
553
00:22:33,617 --> 00:22:36,488
Everything he does is for us.
554
00:22:36,488 --> 00:22:39,427
Snuggies! Mm!
[child giggling]
555
00:22:39,427 --> 00:22:42,701
[funky music]
556
00:22:42,701 --> 00:22:46,074
♪ ♪
557
00:22:50,182 --> 00:22:51,686
And now I've been
dragged into it.
558
00:22:51,686 --> 00:22:53,121
[laughs]
559
00:22:54,625 --> 00:22:56,596
[laughter]
560
00:22:56,596 --> 00:22:58,098
OLLIE: Just want to be
a fun dad that my kids
561
00:22:58,098 --> 00:22:59,568
can look back on memories
562
00:22:59,568 --> 00:23:02,440
and just be there
and be present and--
563
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,012
and them just know
that I was always around.
564
00:23:05,012 --> 00:23:06,783
VINNY:
Bye, Daddy.
565
00:23:06,783 --> 00:23:08,018
Bye, mate.
566
00:23:08,018 --> 00:23:09,054
Love ya.
567
00:23:09,054 --> 00:23:12,060
[spacey music]
568
00:23:12,060 --> 00:23:19,440
♪ ♪
569
00:23:20,075 --> 00:23:21,178
PERSON 1: Ooh, a shark's come
to say hello.
570
00:23:21,178 --> 00:23:22,614
PERSON 2:
Mummy's waving.
571
00:23:22,614 --> 00:23:24,752
PERSON 3: Here, Vinny,
come see Mummy and Daddy.
572
00:23:24,752 --> 00:23:28,893
I have a policy with
my children, and it's honesty.
573
00:23:28,893 --> 00:23:30,797
I think, growing up,
I was a little bit scared
574
00:23:30,797 --> 00:23:32,200
to go to my parents to say
575
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,770
if I'd done something wrong.
576
00:23:33,770 --> 00:23:35,172
That's probably because
I'd done a lot wrong.
577
00:23:35,172 --> 00:23:37,611
So I wouldn't tell them
the truth,
578
00:23:37,611 --> 00:23:39,682
and--and problems
wouldn't get resolved.
579
00:23:39,682 --> 00:23:42,521
PERSON: That is a queen
triggerfish in the wild.
580
00:23:42,521 --> 00:23:43,923
They don't really like divers,
581
00:23:43,923 --> 00:23:47,163
but Freddie's quite used
to us now.
582
00:23:47,163 --> 00:23:48,667
OLLIE: Probably
very similar to my dad
583
00:23:48,667 --> 00:23:50,771
in ways that I probably
don't want
584
00:23:50,771 --> 00:23:52,908
to be because I want
to be able to come out
585
00:23:52,908 --> 00:23:54,945
and talk about things.
586
00:23:54,945 --> 00:23:58,620
Filming with you lot has been
like therapy at times.
587
00:23:58,620 --> 00:24:00,189
[laughs]
588
00:24:00,189 --> 00:24:02,695
Chatting with my dad,
never done that,
589
00:24:02,695 --> 00:24:04,899
never spoke about things
growing up.
590
00:24:04,899 --> 00:24:08,038
Same with my mum.
591
00:24:08,038 --> 00:24:09,508
It's been great.
592
00:24:09,508 --> 00:24:12,514
It's been great to open up.
593
00:24:12,514 --> 00:24:14,685
It's been great
to hear them say that
594
00:24:14,685 --> 00:24:18,058
they might have
done things differently.
595
00:24:18,058 --> 00:24:22,901
But for me,
what's done is done.
596
00:24:22,901 --> 00:24:24,972
You know, you can't rewind.
597
00:24:24,972 --> 00:24:26,843
That's what I say about life.
598
00:24:26,843 --> 00:24:29,047
The most precious, expensive
thing that we all have
599
00:24:29,047 --> 00:24:32,086
is time, and...
600
00:24:32,086 --> 00:24:33,790
it's how you spend it.
601
00:24:33,790 --> 00:24:35,694
[laughter]
602
00:24:35,694 --> 00:24:37,698
[uplifting music]
603
00:24:37,698 --> 00:24:42,106
[laughter]
604
00:24:42,106 --> 00:24:43,576
My date tonight.
This is my mom.
605
00:24:43,576 --> 00:24:45,012
PERSON: Aw, that's perfect.
606
00:24:45,012 --> 00:24:51,859
♪ ♪
607
00:24:51,859 --> 00:24:54,831
[laughter]
608
00:24:58,940 --> 00:25:02,581
SINGER:
♪ Time to wash away ♪
609
00:25:02,581 --> 00:25:09,595
♪ Memories left behind ♪
610
00:25:09,595 --> 00:25:12,701
♪ Stars can be revealed ♪
611
00:25:12,701 --> 00:25:18,813
♪ When the skies clear ♪
612
00:25:18,813 --> 00:25:25,827
♪ Voices raising up
generations ♪
613
00:25:27,998 --> 00:25:29,668
[child giggles, seagull cries]