1 00:00:00,868 --> 00:00:04,571 - And now, Rob McElhenney! 2 00:00:04,638 --> 00:00:07,608 [big band music] 3 00:00:07,674 --> 00:00:08,976 [cheers and applause] 4 00:00:09,042 --> 00:00:12,079 - Hello! 5 00:00:12,145 --> 00:00:18,652 [cheers and applause] 6 00:00:18,719 --> 00:00:22,089 - Please welcome my wife, the incomparable Kaitlin Olson. 7 00:00:22,155 --> 00:00:25,025 [cheers and applause] 8 00:00:25,092 --> 00:00:27,461 [upbeat music] 9 00:00:27,528 --> 00:00:29,730 - Remember that clip that you showed earlier 10 00:00:29,796 --> 00:00:33,467 before the commercial, where we were all in England, 11 00:00:33,534 --> 00:00:35,302 celebrating what we thought was-- 12 00:00:35,369 --> 00:00:37,304 - Yeah, a goal. - You know, a goal. 13 00:00:37,371 --> 00:00:39,773 - Um, can we play that, just the last part again? 14 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,309 ANNOUNCER: Somebody needs to explain the offside rule... 15 00:00:42,376 --> 00:00:43,443 KAITLIN: Yeah. ANNOUNCER: To the A-listers. 16 00:00:43,510 --> 00:00:45,712 KAITLIN: Oh. ROB: Yeah? Oh, yeah. 17 00:00:45,779 --> 00:00:48,582 [laughter, applause] 18 00:00:48,649 --> 00:00:51,151 - Oh, wow. The-- 19 00:00:51,218 --> 00:00:52,252 There I am. 20 00:00:52,319 --> 00:00:53,554 I turn around to, you know, 21 00:00:53,620 --> 00:00:55,155 congratulate my husband, 22 00:00:55,222 --> 00:00:57,825 and you just go ahead and jump right into the arms 23 00:00:57,891 --> 00:01:01,061 of Ryan Reynolds, just aggressively. 24 00:01:01,128 --> 00:01:02,362 - Okay. - You made a dec-- 25 00:01:02,429 --> 00:01:04,398 you saw me, and you turned, 26 00:01:04,464 --> 00:01:07,134 and you jumped right into his arms. 27 00:01:07,201 --> 00:01:09,503 - In fairness... KAITLIN: Yeah? 28 00:01:09,570 --> 00:01:12,506 - Who wouldn't want to jump into the arms of Ryan Reynolds? 29 00:01:12,573 --> 00:01:13,907 BUDDY HOLLY [singing]: Every day 30 00:01:13,974 --> 00:01:16,143 It's a-getting closer 31 00:01:16,210 --> 00:01:19,446 Going faster than a roller coaster 32 00:01:19,513 --> 00:01:24,618 Love like yours will surely come my way 33 00:01:24,685 --> 00:01:26,920 A-hey, a-hey-hey 34 00:01:26,987 --> 00:01:30,390 Every day, it's a-getting faster 35 00:01:30,457 --> 00:01:34,094 Everyone said, "Go ahead and ask her" 36 00:01:34,161 --> 00:01:38,632 Love like yours will surely come my way 37 00:01:38,699 --> 00:01:41,034 A-hey, a-hey-hey 38 00:01:41,101 --> 00:01:47,441 Love like yours will surely come my way 39 00:01:58,585 --> 00:01:59,520 - No. 40 00:02:01,722 --> 00:02:04,024 - I did hear. 41 00:02:04,091 --> 00:02:05,726 Kind of don't even know who he is. 42 00:02:05,792 --> 00:02:08,595 I'm supposed to know who he is, but apparently, 43 00:02:08,662 --> 00:02:10,164 he's someone in a movie. 44 00:02:10,230 --> 00:02:11,198 - I don't know if you should say that in the mic. 45 00:02:11,265 --> 00:02:12,466 - [laughs] It's true. 46 00:02:12,533 --> 00:02:14,434 - I don't know who he is, either. 47 00:02:14,501 --> 00:02:15,602 - Who is he? - But I'm sure he'll do well. 48 00:02:15,669 --> 00:02:17,437 - Do you know who he is? - We wish him well, 49 00:02:17,504 --> 00:02:18,672 whoever he is. 50 00:02:18,739 --> 00:02:20,641 [exciting music] 51 00:02:20,707 --> 00:02:23,744 ROB: So when this whole thing started, I said to Kaitlin, 52 00:02:23,810 --> 00:02:25,679 what do you think about me seeing if Ryan 53 00:02:25,746 --> 00:02:27,514 would want to do this with me, like, 50-50? 54 00:02:27,581 --> 00:02:31,552 And she said, "Do you think your ego could handle 55 00:02:31,618 --> 00:02:34,021 sharing a screen with Ryan Reynolds?" 56 00:02:39,359 --> 00:02:41,528 ROB: That-- that doesn't surprise me. 57 00:02:41,595 --> 00:02:42,763 He's not that well-known. 58 00:02:42,830 --> 00:02:45,299 - Well, he's got Rob backing him now, and Humphrey. 59 00:02:45,365 --> 00:02:47,367 So the guy'll go somewhere. - [laughs] 60 00:02:47,434 --> 00:02:49,203 - You set up-- I gotta get in here. 61 00:02:49,269 --> 00:02:51,138 Haha. All right. 62 00:02:51,205 --> 00:02:52,673 - All right, see you soon. 63 00:02:52,739 --> 00:02:54,074 - I will, uh-- I will see you soon. Bye. 64 00:02:54,141 --> 00:02:55,642 HOST: So let's start from the very beginning. 65 00:02:55,709 --> 00:03:00,147 Um, Ryan, I hear your friendship actually started 66 00:03:00,214 --> 00:03:03,183 when Rob slid into your DMs. 67 00:03:03,250 --> 00:03:04,451 Do you want to spill the tea on that one a little bit? 68 00:03:04,518 --> 00:03:07,154 RYAN: No! No, I slid into his DMs. 69 00:03:07,221 --> 00:03:08,422 HOST: Oh, you slid into his DMs? 70 00:03:08,488 --> 00:03:10,224 - Oh, my God, yeah. I mean-- 71 00:03:10,290 --> 00:03:11,525 ROB: How quickly-- - Are you kidding me? 72 00:03:11,592 --> 00:03:13,460 - How quickly the story changes. RYAN: I know. 73 00:03:13,527 --> 00:03:16,263 ROB: Okay, so Ryan, this is what's called a soundstage. 74 00:03:16,330 --> 00:03:17,965 RYAN: Really? ROB: Yeah. 75 00:03:18,031 --> 00:03:19,266 RYAN: And they don't use ceilings? 76 00:03:19,333 --> 00:03:21,835 ROB: They make movies, they make TV. 77 00:03:21,902 --> 00:03:23,537 Well, there is a ceiling. 78 00:03:23,604 --> 00:03:25,873 - I'd seen an episode of his show 79 00:03:25,939 --> 00:03:30,010 that I found to be particularly inspiring and beautiful. 80 00:03:30,077 --> 00:03:32,045 I slid into his DMs, and I wrote, 81 00:03:32,112 --> 00:03:34,147 "Powder my bottom and put me to bed." 82 00:03:34,214 --> 00:03:36,083 ROB: This is not actually a bar. 83 00:03:36,149 --> 00:03:37,818 RYAN: Look at this. 84 00:03:37,885 --> 00:03:39,119 Yeah. 85 00:03:39,186 --> 00:03:42,322 Oh, wow. ROB: Yeah. 86 00:03:42,389 --> 00:03:44,491 RYAN: He DM'd me back, and then we kind of became, 87 00:03:44,558 --> 00:03:46,293 you know, digital friends-- HOST: Yeah. 88 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,729 - Which later turned into real-life human friends. 89 00:03:48,795 --> 00:03:50,898 ROB: Platonic relationships between men 90 00:03:50,964 --> 00:03:53,500 is a complicated subject. 91 00:03:53,567 --> 00:03:55,135 And Ryan and I had questions. 92 00:03:55,202 --> 00:03:58,872 RYAN: So we went to the only logical place for answers-- 93 00:03:58,939 --> 00:04:00,007 a woman. 94 00:04:00,073 --> 00:04:01,475 - Hi, my name is Liz Plank. 95 00:04:01,542 --> 00:04:03,744 And I am the author of For the Love of Men: 96 00:04:03,810 --> 00:04:05,712 A Vision for Mindful Masculinity. 97 00:04:05,779 --> 00:04:07,047 I'm a journalist. 98 00:04:07,114 --> 00:04:10,083 I'm a filmmaker, a columnist, podcast. 99 00:04:10,150 --> 00:04:11,752 I noticed, in the first episode of the show, 100 00:04:11,818 --> 00:04:15,355 Rob said that he went to Ryan for "movie money." 101 00:04:15,422 --> 00:04:18,392 Also felt like an excuse to actually 102 00:04:18,458 --> 00:04:20,994 probably be friends with Ryan and spend time with Ryan. 103 00:04:23,330 --> 00:04:24,264 - You're, like, dating? - I don't know. 104 00:04:24,331 --> 00:04:26,166 I'm definitely gonna swoon. 105 00:04:26,233 --> 00:04:29,670 So you gotta--you gotta stay wide for that shot. 106 00:04:29,736 --> 00:04:32,639 'Cause if you see my eyes, I'm gonna be, like, floating. 107 00:04:32,706 --> 00:04:34,208 [laughs] 108 00:04:34,274 --> 00:04:36,210 He's probably gonna pick me up like a child. 109 00:04:36,276 --> 00:04:39,446 [laughs] And cradle me. 110 00:04:39,513 --> 00:04:42,516 There's also the weird phenomenon, that is true, 111 00:04:42,583 --> 00:04:45,819 that if you see--if you watch somebody long enough 112 00:04:45,886 --> 00:04:47,621 over an extended period of time, 113 00:04:47,688 --> 00:04:49,189 you start to feel like you know them anyway. 114 00:04:49,256 --> 00:04:53,627 So even before we connected, you know, 115 00:04:53,694 --> 00:04:55,162 you get a sense that you kind of know that person, 116 00:04:55,229 --> 00:04:56,396 even though you don't. 117 00:04:56,463 --> 00:04:59,766 We became pretty close, pretty fast. 118 00:04:59,833 --> 00:05:00,834 - The Rookie. - Okay. 119 00:05:00,901 --> 00:05:02,402 - Dennis Quaid. - Whoa, look-- 120 00:05:02,469 --> 00:05:04,338 - Like, a 40-year-old pitcher in the major-- 121 00:05:04,404 --> 00:05:07,474 - Can we just address the-- 122 00:05:07,541 --> 00:05:10,511 can we address the mustache in the room? 123 00:05:12,246 --> 00:05:14,648 [dreamy music] 124 00:05:14,715 --> 00:05:17,718 I've heard a lot of people refer to our relationship 125 00:05:17,784 --> 00:05:18,952 as a bromance. 126 00:05:19,019 --> 00:05:20,487 I find that fascinating. 127 00:05:20,554 --> 00:05:24,091 - The definition of the word bromance is just-- 128 00:05:24,158 --> 00:05:27,561 it's a platonic relationship between two men. 129 00:05:27,628 --> 00:05:30,264 There's no female equivalent to the term bromance. 130 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:32,499 The female equivalent is friends. 131 00:05:32,566 --> 00:05:37,004 And so the fact that we need a term to describe two men 132 00:05:37,070 --> 00:05:40,207 going out to dinner, I think, is very revealing 133 00:05:40,274 --> 00:05:43,544 about what men are allowed or are not allowed to do, 134 00:05:43,610 --> 00:05:45,679 and how much self-policing there is 135 00:05:45,746 --> 00:05:48,849 when it comes to their relationships with other men. 136 00:05:48,916 --> 00:05:51,218 ROB: It's so funny, and so indicative 137 00:05:51,285 --> 00:05:53,287 of where we are as a culture now, 138 00:05:53,353 --> 00:05:57,124 that we have to use cute terms to define 139 00:05:57,191 --> 00:05:59,026 an intimate relationship between two men. 140 00:05:59,092 --> 00:06:00,394 I don't know why. 141 00:06:00,460 --> 00:06:01,562 I think maybe it's because it's easier for us 142 00:06:01,628 --> 00:06:04,198 to talk about it by making it sound 143 00:06:04,264 --> 00:06:05,966 a little bit more juvenile, 144 00:06:06,033 --> 00:06:07,734 or just cute and funny. 145 00:06:07,801 --> 00:06:10,537 - So bromance is almost this permission 146 00:06:10,604 --> 00:06:12,406 for men to connect, 147 00:06:12,472 --> 00:06:15,042 and to show love to each other. 148 00:06:15,108 --> 00:06:16,844 Because it's like-- it's like a joke. 149 00:06:16,910 --> 00:06:20,647 - I've been waiting for the right, peaceful moment 150 00:06:20,714 --> 00:06:22,850 to ask you, 151 00:06:22,916 --> 00:06:25,819 do you harbor any anger 152 00:06:25,886 --> 00:06:27,855 and/or resentment towards me 153 00:06:27,921 --> 00:06:30,524 for asking you to do this? [laughs] 154 00:06:30,591 --> 00:06:31,859 - My wife wants to kill you, Rob. 155 00:06:31,925 --> 00:06:33,060 - Yeah. 156 00:06:39,066 --> 00:06:40,801 [cheering] 157 00:06:41,703 --> 00:06:43,061 LIZ: Men prove their manhood 158 00:06:43,127 --> 00:06:47,565 by ascribing to the definition of masculinity 159 00:06:47,632 --> 00:06:50,101 that they've been told they need to aspire to, 160 00:06:50,168 --> 00:06:53,371 which is, you know, domination, aggression, 161 00:06:53,438 --> 00:06:55,106 winning at all costs. 162 00:06:55,173 --> 00:06:56,507 - This is what men do! - Yeah! 163 00:06:56,574 --> 00:06:58,042 - This is men stuff! - Yeah! 164 00:06:58,109 --> 00:07:00,612 ROB: Traditionally, men have liked to get together 165 00:07:00,678 --> 00:07:03,414 with groups of other men and do stuff, 166 00:07:03,481 --> 00:07:06,818 whether that be go to football matches, 167 00:07:06,885 --> 00:07:08,820 play football, play golf, 168 00:07:08,887 --> 00:07:10,722 drink, uh, 169 00:07:10,788 --> 00:07:13,858 hang out, talk, shoot the shit, 170 00:07:13,925 --> 00:07:15,360 rove in gangs, 171 00:07:15,426 --> 00:07:16,828 beat the living shit out of each other, 172 00:07:16,895 --> 00:07:18,329 compete with one another. 173 00:07:18,396 --> 00:07:19,898 Look at my heel. - Right? 174 00:07:19,964 --> 00:07:21,833 - You have a heel, too! - Yeah, I--I wear-- 175 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:23,401 And I wore... - This is great. 176 00:07:23,468 --> 00:07:26,271 - Three-inch lifts just to really hammer home-- 177 00:07:26,337 --> 00:07:28,106 George said to establish dominance right away. 178 00:07:28,172 --> 00:07:29,674 - I know, but it's not happening. 179 00:07:29,741 --> 00:07:31,109 - No, I know, not at all. - Yes! 180 00:07:31,175 --> 00:07:32,410 - And I'm very thin compared to these guns. 181 00:07:32,477 --> 00:07:34,379 - Yeah, look at this. Yeah. - Good Lord. 182 00:07:34,445 --> 00:07:36,848 - I read somewhere that lifting weights 183 00:07:36,915 --> 00:07:38,650 increases height. - True. 184 00:07:38,716 --> 00:07:39,751 - Give me some more gum for Dennis. 185 00:07:39,817 --> 00:07:41,219 - No, I don't trust you. - Why not? 186 00:07:41,286 --> 00:07:42,320 - 'Cause you're just gonna put it in your mouth 187 00:07:42,387 --> 00:07:44,489 and eat it again. - I won't. I promise. 188 00:07:44,556 --> 00:07:47,225 - Hmm, his neck is high. It makes me trust him. 189 00:07:47,292 --> 00:07:48,159 Good posture, bro. Okay. 190 00:07:48,226 --> 00:07:49,994 - Come on. - All right, I trust you. 191 00:07:50,061 --> 00:07:50,962 - How are you? - What's your name? 192 00:07:51,029 --> 00:07:52,196 - Good, how are you? - James. 193 00:07:52,263 --> 00:07:53,531 LIZ: I just find it really funny 194 00:07:53,598 --> 00:07:56,134 just watching men, like, greet each other. 195 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,170 I feel like I have secondhand stress 196 00:07:59,237 --> 00:08:01,539 about seeing two men sometimes greet each other. 197 00:08:01,606 --> 00:08:03,274 Because sometimes it's like a straight-up handshake. 198 00:08:03,341 --> 00:08:05,109 Sometimes, it's the handshake, but like, 199 00:08:05,176 --> 00:08:06,678 kind of the clap, and then they, like, 200 00:08:06,744 --> 00:08:08,212 still kind of touch. 201 00:08:08,279 --> 00:08:09,714 Sometimes, it's the handshake 202 00:08:09,781 --> 00:08:11,115 followed by the hug, tap, tap. 203 00:08:11,182 --> 00:08:12,717 And then it keeps going while they're talking, 204 00:08:12,784 --> 00:08:14,252 but sometimes they pull out. 205 00:08:14,319 --> 00:08:16,721 There's-- there's the fist bump, 206 00:08:16,788 --> 00:08:18,223 obviously, as well. 207 00:08:18,289 --> 00:08:20,291 I feel confused, and I feel stressed 208 00:08:20,358 --> 00:08:22,160 seeing men trying to greet each other. 209 00:08:22,227 --> 00:08:24,729 CAMERAPERSON: It's very weird. Like, I'm a hugger. 210 00:08:24,796 --> 00:08:27,332 But like, some guys will throw in the-- 211 00:08:27,398 --> 00:08:29,367 they need the hand-- 212 00:08:29,434 --> 00:08:30,735 LIZ: Oh, with the hug? 213 00:08:30,802 --> 00:08:32,170 CAMERAPERSON: The hand with the hug because you can't just-- 214 00:08:32,237 --> 00:08:33,705 - You can't touch hearts. CAMERAPERSON: For the hug. 215 00:08:33,771 --> 00:08:34,906 - Okay, yes. Okay. 216 00:08:34,973 --> 00:08:35,840 CAMERAPERSON: That's too intimate. 217 00:08:35,907 --> 00:08:37,141 - Too intimate. 218 00:08:37,208 --> 00:08:39,244 You gotta keep something in between the bodies. 219 00:08:39,310 --> 00:08:41,045 And then one day, you'll graduate 220 00:08:41,112 --> 00:08:45,049 to just your hearts touching. 221 00:08:45,116 --> 00:08:48,152 Sports becomes this safe space 222 00:08:48,219 --> 00:08:49,654 for men to love each other, 223 00:08:49,721 --> 00:08:51,256 and to relate to each other, 224 00:08:51,322 --> 00:08:54,926 not just, you know, emotionally, but also physically. 225 00:08:54,993 --> 00:08:56,761 Like, I just find it fascinating 226 00:08:56,828 --> 00:09:00,398 watching, you know, men on a football field 227 00:09:00,465 --> 00:09:03,668 touching each other, and being very affectionate, 228 00:09:03,735 --> 00:09:05,503 being very physically close with each other-- 229 00:09:05,570 --> 00:09:07,372 even, like, slapping each other's butts. 230 00:09:07,438 --> 00:09:09,007 When can men slap each other's butts 231 00:09:09,073 --> 00:09:11,276 except when they're on a football field? 232 00:09:11,342 --> 00:09:13,144 [cheering] 233 00:09:13,211 --> 00:09:14,846 Do men get close with each other 234 00:09:14,913 --> 00:09:15,914 because they love sports? 235 00:09:15,980 --> 00:09:17,815 Or do men do sports because 236 00:09:17,882 --> 00:09:19,384 they want to be close to each other? 237 00:09:19,450 --> 00:09:21,653 - I've watched you become a massive sports fan, 238 00:09:21,719 --> 00:09:23,721 which I don't think you were before. 239 00:09:23,788 --> 00:09:25,023 - I wasn't. I mean, I've always-- 240 00:09:25,089 --> 00:09:26,024 I always played sports. 241 00:09:26,090 --> 00:09:27,358 I loved playing sports. 242 00:09:27,425 --> 00:09:30,962 But the idea or the thought of this 243 00:09:31,029 --> 00:09:34,365 never, never was on my vision board. 244 00:09:34,432 --> 00:09:36,634 Part of the fun isn't just getting 245 00:09:36,701 --> 00:09:37,936 to hang out with each other, 246 00:09:38,002 --> 00:09:39,504 or having a football team together. 247 00:09:39,571 --> 00:09:41,072 It's also talking about things 248 00:09:41,139 --> 00:09:44,175 that can be, uh, uncomfortable. 249 00:09:44,242 --> 00:09:46,511 We filmed our colonoscopies together, for God's sake. 250 00:09:46,578 --> 00:09:48,346 - It's the first time you've had a colonoscopy. 251 00:09:48,413 --> 00:09:49,147 - Yeah. - And-- 252 00:09:49,213 --> 00:09:50,648 - We're fucking filming it. 253 00:09:50,715 --> 00:09:51,716 - You're filming it-- 254 00:09:51,783 --> 00:09:54,185 - Which is, like, also just awful. 255 00:09:54,252 --> 00:09:57,722 Can't believe you pumped all that Aviation Gin into my IV. 256 00:09:57,789 --> 00:10:00,959 I was out like a light. 257 00:10:01,025 --> 00:10:04,162 They didn't find Rosebud up there? 258 00:10:04,229 --> 00:10:05,964 ROB: I figure I can't go wrong in terms of 259 00:10:06,030 --> 00:10:08,299 comparing myself to Ryan. 260 00:10:08,366 --> 00:10:09,534 They either find nothing, 261 00:10:09,601 --> 00:10:11,803 and that means my colon was cleaner than his. 262 00:10:11,869 --> 00:10:13,538 Or they find a polyp. 263 00:10:13,605 --> 00:10:14,939 All set. 264 00:10:15,006 --> 00:10:16,674 And it's either bigger than his, 265 00:10:16,741 --> 00:10:18,910 which is awesome, 266 00:10:18,977 --> 00:10:20,545 or it's smaller than his, 267 00:10:20,612 --> 00:10:23,615 which means I had less of an opportunity to have cancer. 268 00:10:23,681 --> 00:10:24,849 Either way, I win. 269 00:10:24,916 --> 00:10:27,018 - You can just relax. 270 00:10:27,085 --> 00:10:28,219 [laughs] 271 00:10:29,487 --> 00:10:30,788 - How was it before? 272 00:10:30,855 --> 00:10:32,423 NURSE: It was good. 273 00:10:32,490 --> 00:10:35,260 The last one was 113 over 48. 274 00:10:37,829 --> 00:10:39,564 - Is it better than Ryan's? 275 00:10:39,631 --> 00:10:42,133 NURSE: Yeah. 276 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,836 - We're back here with Ryan Reynolds and the other guy. 277 00:10:44,903 --> 00:10:48,139 [laughter] 278 00:10:48,206 --> 00:10:51,943 - I think we both have enormous respect for each other, 279 00:10:52,010 --> 00:10:54,512 which is what I think is the backbone 280 00:10:54,579 --> 00:10:56,180 to any healthy relationship. 281 00:10:56,247 --> 00:10:58,416 - Any endeavor at this point in my life 282 00:10:58,483 --> 00:11:01,853 is an opportunity to continue to forge new relationships. 283 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,589 So it was really special, 284 00:11:04,656 --> 00:11:06,457 and has been really special to me, 285 00:11:06,524 --> 00:11:07,892 my relationship with him. 286 00:11:07,959 --> 00:11:10,662 - In many ways, sports becomes this performance for men 287 00:11:10,728 --> 00:11:13,865 to really be that ideal of masculinity 288 00:11:13,932 --> 00:11:15,967 that they're told to aspire to. 289 00:11:16,034 --> 00:11:18,536 And, you know, maybe Rob and Ryan-- 290 00:11:18,603 --> 00:11:20,038 I mean, they're performers. 291 00:11:20,104 --> 00:11:22,941 And so, they're still out there, maybe some way, 292 00:11:23,007 --> 00:11:25,610 performing maybe not for their dads, 293 00:11:25,677 --> 00:11:27,011 but for each other. 294 00:11:27,078 --> 00:11:29,213 - That's why Rob is a fuck-face clown. 295 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:30,481 He's just-- ROB: Aw, man. 296 00:11:30,548 --> 00:11:31,683 - Oh, Jesus. Rob-- 297 00:11:31,749 --> 00:11:32,617 oh, hi, Mr. Chairman. 298 00:11:32,684 --> 00:11:33,818 ROB: How are you? 299 00:11:33,885 --> 00:11:34,986 - How are you? You look nice. 300 00:11:35,053 --> 00:11:36,521 ROB: I'm sorry about interrupting you. 301 00:11:36,588 --> 00:11:38,089 - I'm covered in microphones-- 302 00:11:38,156 --> 00:11:39,390 - It's good to see--hi. - So I can't stand up. 303 00:11:39,457 --> 00:11:40,692 - Well, hello. - Hi. 304 00:11:40,758 --> 00:11:41,759 You guys are in the middle of your thing? 305 00:11:41,826 --> 00:11:43,861 - God, you're handsome. Um... 306 00:11:43,928 --> 00:11:45,463 All right. - Yeah, did you get that? 307 00:11:45,530 --> 00:11:46,965 CAMERAPERSON: Last question. - Come here. 308 00:11:47,031 --> 00:11:49,367 ROB: Are we concerned about Ryan being overexposed? 309 00:11:49,434 --> 00:11:50,868 I think that's a fair-- - I'm plenty overexposed. 310 00:11:50,935 --> 00:11:52,570 - I think that's fair. - Come on. 311 00:11:52,637 --> 00:11:53,705 - Where? You want to go in here? 312 00:11:53,771 --> 00:11:54,839 - There you go. Yeah, that's good. 313 00:11:54,906 --> 00:11:56,107 - Now, I feel like we're really close. 314 00:11:59,377 --> 00:12:02,280 [sprinklers swishing] 315 00:12:20,031 --> 00:12:21,766 I can make a cup of tea. 316 00:12:21,833 --> 00:12:23,635 I make the best cup of tea here. 317 00:12:23,701 --> 00:12:25,136 Why do you think they got me on here? 318 00:12:27,639 --> 00:12:28,907 Chal doesn't have sugar. 319 00:12:28,973 --> 00:12:31,209 You got to have sugar, though. 320 00:12:31,276 --> 00:12:33,711 Tea's not the same without sugar. 321 00:12:33,778 --> 00:12:36,414 Hey, you deserve a cuppa, Chal. 322 00:12:36,481 --> 00:12:37,549 - See? 323 00:12:37,615 --> 00:12:38,950 There is something that-- 324 00:12:39,017 --> 00:12:41,686 - I see you've got some Yorkshire bags in. 325 00:12:41,753 --> 00:12:43,254 - Where's the milk? 326 00:12:43,321 --> 00:12:44,622 HARRY: What? - Where's the milk? 327 00:12:44,689 --> 00:12:45,823 HARRY: It's in there. 328 00:12:45,890 --> 00:12:46,691 You said you don't like too much milk. 329 00:12:46,758 --> 00:12:48,159 - Eh? 330 00:12:48,226 --> 00:12:49,227 - Oh, no, you like a little more milk, don't you? 331 00:12:49,294 --> 00:12:50,228 CHAL: Yeah. 332 00:12:50,295 --> 00:12:51,563 - Well, go and have more then, Chal. 333 00:12:51,629 --> 00:12:53,431 if you're gonna be ungrateful. I'll put these away. 334 00:12:53,498 --> 00:12:56,100 - This is the life skills you need to learn, innit, Harry? 335 00:12:56,167 --> 00:12:58,002 A cup of tea's one of the most important things. 336 00:12:58,069 --> 00:12:59,971 HARRY: It is, Chal. 337 00:13:00,038 --> 00:13:01,639 More milky next time. 338 00:13:01,706 --> 00:13:02,840 I got you. 339 00:13:04,576 --> 00:13:06,844 - It's the worst cup of tea I've had all day, Harry. 340 00:13:06,911 --> 00:13:08,379 - Don't put me down like that, Chal.. 341 00:13:08,446 --> 00:13:10,848 [light music] 342 00:13:10,915 --> 00:13:13,184 [indistinct chatter] 343 00:13:13,251 --> 00:13:16,988 - Well, my earliest memory of being a fan is 344 00:13:17,055 --> 00:13:19,023 since I could talk, since I could kick a ball, 345 00:13:19,090 --> 00:13:21,426 since I've come out the womb, I just love Wrexham. 346 00:13:21,492 --> 00:13:24,395 My room is full of Wrexham stuff, to be honest. 347 00:13:24,462 --> 00:13:26,998 Being a football fan or Wrexham fan, it's just-- 348 00:13:27,065 --> 00:13:29,334 it's just run through your family, 349 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,537 and my dad, obviously, and my granddad on my side. 350 00:13:32,604 --> 00:13:34,839 And they've just always been a Wrexham fan, 351 00:13:34,906 --> 00:13:36,541 and it's just run to me, now. 352 00:13:36,608 --> 00:13:39,143 So hopefully, when I have kids, they'll be Wrexham fans. 353 00:13:39,210 --> 00:13:40,979 'Cause I don't think it'll ever, 354 00:13:41,045 --> 00:13:44,282 ever stop, my racecourse. 355 00:13:44,349 --> 00:13:46,784 - I think that boys grow up thinking, 356 00:13:46,851 --> 00:13:48,686 "This is how I need to, 357 00:13:48,753 --> 00:13:50,722 you know, get my dad's approval." 358 00:13:50,788 --> 00:13:54,692 Because their dads, that's how they got their dad's approval. 359 00:13:54,759 --> 00:13:56,761 And it's kind of just passed down. 360 00:13:56,828 --> 00:13:57,996 Not necessarily questioned. 361 00:13:58,062 --> 00:14:00,665 RYAN: I played football for nine years. 362 00:14:00,732 --> 00:14:01,966 I played rugby, I played baseball, 363 00:14:02,033 --> 00:14:05,303 and I played soccer, as we call it. 364 00:14:05,370 --> 00:14:08,907 And that was my kind of version of validation at that age, 365 00:14:08,973 --> 00:14:10,408 and--you know? 366 00:14:10,475 --> 00:14:13,144 Yeah, he really, like, valued that, you know? 367 00:14:13,211 --> 00:14:15,246 - One of the really interesting things that happened 368 00:14:15,313 --> 00:14:17,081 in the pandemic is that there was 369 00:14:17,148 --> 00:14:18,683 this incredible social experiment 370 00:14:18,750 --> 00:14:21,386 where sports basically, like, went away. 371 00:14:21,452 --> 00:14:25,456 So one of the things I just started asking men around me-- 372 00:14:25,523 --> 00:14:28,393 you know, I would say, what do you miss the most about sports? 373 00:14:28,459 --> 00:14:32,797 And the first guy I asked had a tear go down-- 374 00:14:32,864 --> 00:14:34,799 like, just literally go down his face. 375 00:14:34,866 --> 00:14:37,101 And he said, "Talking about it with my dad." 376 00:14:37,168 --> 00:14:40,238 - And I used to go with my dad and my brother to games. 377 00:14:40,305 --> 00:14:43,141 And in general, it was a family thing. 378 00:14:43,207 --> 00:14:44,809 - Growing up with-- me and my dad, 379 00:14:44,876 --> 00:14:46,911 he took me from an early age. 380 00:14:46,978 --> 00:14:49,447 And it's something that's in the blood. 381 00:14:49,514 --> 00:14:52,150 - So what they miss the most about sports wasn't-- 382 00:14:52,217 --> 00:14:54,285 didn't actually have anything to do with sports. 383 00:14:54,352 --> 00:14:59,190 It was about the relationships that they were able to have 384 00:14:59,257 --> 00:15:01,426 when they were watching sports together. 385 00:15:01,492 --> 00:15:02,961 - I was a real youngster. 386 00:15:03,027 --> 00:15:04,529 Me dad used to take me over to Liverpool years ago 387 00:15:04,596 --> 00:15:05,964 to watch the games. 388 00:15:06,030 --> 00:15:08,299 And actually, once I moved to Wrexham, 389 00:15:08,366 --> 00:15:10,501 I just started attending Wrexham games straight away. 390 00:15:10,568 --> 00:15:12,737 Yeah, I just started watching Wrexham and loved it. 391 00:15:12,804 --> 00:15:14,272 Just fell in love with it. 392 00:15:14,339 --> 00:15:16,207 - From when I could first kick a ball, 393 00:15:16,274 --> 00:15:19,577 my dad always had the belief that I was good. 394 00:15:19,644 --> 00:15:20,912 He could see that I was good. 395 00:15:20,979 --> 00:15:23,281 And I can only appreciate that because 396 00:15:23,348 --> 00:15:25,149 what I used to get from him watching 397 00:15:25,216 --> 00:15:27,685 and his feedback would drive me on even more. 398 00:15:27,752 --> 00:15:31,122 - For a lot of boys who grew up being told that sports was 399 00:15:31,189 --> 00:15:33,291 where they could really prove themselves 400 00:15:33,358 --> 00:15:35,159 and have a relationship with their father, 401 00:15:35,226 --> 00:15:37,528 or have a relationship with other boys, 402 00:15:37,595 --> 00:15:40,732 they can grow up into adulthood repeating that, 403 00:15:40,798 --> 00:15:44,736 where sports becomes the way to earn that connection 404 00:15:44,802 --> 00:15:46,304 with other men. 405 00:15:46,371 --> 00:15:49,741 And maybe with our culture, or with society at large, too. 406 00:15:49,807 --> 00:15:51,175 - Time to see if I still got it. 407 00:15:51,242 --> 00:15:52,577 - Aye. 408 00:15:52,644 --> 00:15:56,547 - It's so nice that he still wants to take his dad 409 00:15:56,614 --> 00:15:58,983 out for a pint, you know, and take him to the match, 410 00:15:59,050 --> 00:16:01,019 and look after me, and-- 411 00:16:01,085 --> 00:16:03,855 you know, with his mates. 412 00:16:03,922 --> 00:16:07,859 I'm part of a-- the crowd, if you want. 413 00:16:07,926 --> 00:16:10,094 And that's what makes me so happy, you know? 414 00:16:10,161 --> 00:16:12,397 I can't ask for anything more than that. 415 00:16:12,463 --> 00:16:15,466 Boys day out. Three generations here. 416 00:16:15,533 --> 00:16:16,968 Same as when we go to the match, 417 00:16:17,035 --> 00:16:18,369 and we've got three generations here. 418 00:16:18,436 --> 00:16:19,671 You just pass it down, don't you? 419 00:16:19,737 --> 00:16:20,905 Like, you got it from Granddad. 420 00:16:20,972 --> 00:16:22,206 I got it from you. 421 00:16:22,273 --> 00:16:23,841 It's just-- and I give it to these boys. 422 00:16:23,908 --> 00:16:25,710 It's in our DNA now innit, eh? 423 00:16:25,777 --> 00:16:27,779 In our Winter DNA, lad? Muah. 424 00:16:27,845 --> 00:16:29,013 - It certainly is. 425 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,415 - That's right, it bloody is. - Yeah? 426 00:16:45,196 --> 00:16:46,297 I'm not ready for it though, Chal. 427 00:16:46,364 --> 00:16:48,466 I told you, bit immature inside. 428 00:16:48,533 --> 00:16:50,902 I can't even cook an egg. 429 00:16:52,704 --> 00:16:54,572 - So this is when you're on a date, 430 00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:57,141 when you have the first sleepover, can make-- 431 00:16:57,208 --> 00:16:59,077 you can make her an egg in the morning. 432 00:16:59,143 --> 00:17:00,745 - Yeah, why don't you chuck that one in? 433 00:17:00,812 --> 00:17:03,982 [laughter] 434 00:17:04,048 --> 00:17:05,884 You fucking idiot. 435 00:17:05,950 --> 00:17:08,453 Let's--we have a really star candidate. 436 00:17:08,519 --> 00:17:11,189 - What, so don't do it too hard this time, yeah? 437 00:17:11,256 --> 00:17:13,157 Take your time cracking the egg. 438 00:17:13,224 --> 00:17:15,360 [laughter] 439 00:17:15,426 --> 00:17:16,728 - Man City. - Yeah. 440 00:17:16,794 --> 00:17:18,096 ROB: When I was in grade school, 441 00:17:18,162 --> 00:17:19,597 my dad and I would just come home 442 00:17:19,664 --> 00:17:20,999 and we'd play basketball. 443 00:17:21,065 --> 00:17:23,468 And I would try to win. 444 00:17:23,534 --> 00:17:25,603 And I wouldn't let him 445 00:17:25,670 --> 00:17:27,138 let me win. 446 00:17:27,205 --> 00:17:28,740 In some ways, what is the point 447 00:17:28,806 --> 00:17:30,141 if there's no competition? 448 00:17:30,208 --> 00:17:31,976 Because that's what's sort of driving us 449 00:17:32,043 --> 00:17:34,178 all forward instinctually. 450 00:17:34,245 --> 00:17:35,313 Goal! 451 00:17:35,380 --> 00:17:37,048 And then it's only in reflection 452 00:17:37,115 --> 00:17:39,551 where you realize, like, oh, right, 453 00:17:39,617 --> 00:17:41,019 I--who the fuck cares? 454 00:17:41,085 --> 00:17:42,987 I do not understand offsides. 455 00:17:43,054 --> 00:17:44,422 - Like, offsides is, like, here. 456 00:17:44,489 --> 00:17:45,657 But then it's also there. 457 00:17:45,723 --> 00:17:47,358 But when you get a penalty-- 458 00:17:47,425 --> 00:17:48,426 ANNOUNCER: It's come down to the final 20 minutes here. 459 00:17:48,493 --> 00:17:49,827 - Yes? - It's not a goal? 460 00:17:49,894 --> 00:17:51,296 - Yes, it doesn't make any sense. 461 00:17:51,362 --> 00:17:53,431 I don't remember any specific game. 462 00:17:53,498 --> 00:17:55,433 I just remember-- 463 00:17:58,870 --> 00:18:01,072 I just remember playing with my dad, 464 00:18:01,139 --> 00:18:02,240 you know? 465 00:18:02,307 --> 00:18:08,646 [Cat Stevens' "Father & Son"] 466 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,218 CAT STEVENS [singing: It's not time to make a change 467 00:18:13,284 --> 00:18:16,888 Just relax, take it easy 468 00:18:16,955 --> 00:18:18,690 You're still young 469 00:18:18,756 --> 00:18:20,658 That's your fault 470 00:18:20,725 --> 00:18:23,861 There's so much you have to know 471 00:18:23,928 --> 00:18:27,765 Find a girl, settle down 472 00:18:27,832 --> 00:18:31,402 If you want, you can marry 473 00:18:31,469 --> 00:18:33,471 Look at me 474 00:18:33,538 --> 00:18:38,543 I am old, but I'm happy 475 00:18:38,610 --> 00:18:42,080 I was once like you are now 476 00:18:42,146 --> 00:18:45,750 And I know that it's not easy 477 00:18:45,817 --> 00:18:47,819 To be calm 478 00:18:47,886 --> 00:18:52,824 When you've found something going on 479 00:18:52,891 --> 00:18:56,060 But take your time, think a lot 480 00:18:56,127 --> 00:18:59,530 Why, think of everything you've got 481 00:18:59,597 --> 00:19:03,635 For you will still be here tomorrow 482 00:19:03,701 --> 00:19:07,272 But your dreams may not 483 00:19:14,178 --> 00:19:17,282 If he's calling me his son and, you know, 484 00:19:17,348 --> 00:19:18,917 taking me by his wing like he is, 485 00:19:18,983 --> 00:19:20,351 and showing me like he is, yeah, 486 00:19:20,418 --> 00:19:21,786 I'd say he does feel like-- 487 00:19:21,853 --> 00:19:23,688 he does feel like a father figure, in a way. 488 00:19:26,090 --> 00:19:27,559 Genius. - You're a master? 489 00:19:27,625 --> 00:19:28,927 - Mm. 490 00:19:28,993 --> 00:19:30,461 You've got to have plenty of role models 491 00:19:30,528 --> 00:19:32,397 in your life to become who you are, haven't you? 492 00:19:32,463 --> 00:19:35,567 And... 493 00:19:35,633 --> 00:19:37,769 Yeah. 494 00:19:40,038 --> 00:19:47,045 CAT STEVENS [singing]: I know I have to go 495 00:20:12,837 --> 00:20:14,372 [child giggles, seagull cries]