1 00:00:02,178 --> 00:00:05,214 (orchestral music) 2 00:00:30,339 --> 00:00:31,874 - I like to be center stage 3 00:00:31,908 --> 00:00:33,309 (laughs) 4 00:00:33,342 --> 00:00:34,710 taking the big parts. 5 00:00:34,744 --> 00:00:38,548 I'm not interested in being worthy, 6 00:00:38,581 --> 00:00:40,817 I'm not interested in being virtuous 7 00:00:40,850 --> 00:00:43,653 and standing there for the good of the company. 8 00:00:43,686 --> 00:00:45,588 I'm simply not interested in that. 9 00:00:45,621 --> 00:00:47,190 It's the way I'm constructed. 10 00:00:47,223 --> 00:00:50,326 It's my own megalomaniacal selfishness, I suppose. 11 00:00:50,359 --> 00:00:52,495 I'm not interested in all that experimentation, 12 00:00:52,528 --> 00:00:56,365 and we've all got a knuckle under and obey the director. 13 00:00:56,399 --> 00:00:57,500 I say, bollocks. 14 00:00:58,901 --> 00:01:01,504 - [Narrator] In 1991, in The Silence of the Lambs 15 00:01:01,537 --> 00:01:02,705 by Jonathan Demme, 16 00:01:02,738 --> 00:01:05,775 Anthony Hopkins achieves worldwide success, 17 00:01:05,808 --> 00:01:09,846 playing a cannibalistic psychopath imprisoned in a cage. 18 00:01:09,879 --> 00:01:14,617 The most famous serial killer of all time, Hannibal Lecter. 19 00:01:14,650 --> 00:01:15,885 Even though he was on screen 20 00:01:15,918 --> 00:01:17,954 for only 20 minutes throughout the movie, 21 00:01:17,987 --> 00:01:20,656 it's enough to propel him to the top of Hollywood 22 00:01:20,690 --> 00:01:22,492 at almost 60 years old, 23 00:01:22,525 --> 00:01:24,660 and after more than 30 years of acting. 24 00:01:25,795 --> 00:01:27,630 The biggest directors fight over him, 25 00:01:27,663 --> 00:01:31,234 like Francis Ford Coppola who casts him in Dracula. 26 00:01:31,267 --> 00:01:32,468 - Action! 27 00:01:32,502 --> 00:01:34,570 (door slamming) 28 00:01:34,604 --> 00:01:36,205 - Mina! 29 00:01:36,239 --> 00:01:37,473 (roars) 30 00:01:37,507 --> 00:01:39,308 - The thing is going to happen pretty fast. 31 00:01:39,342 --> 00:01:40,543 - [Hopkins] Yes. - You confront them, 32 00:01:40,576 --> 00:01:41,844 they attack you, 33 00:01:41,878 --> 00:01:43,379 Van Helsing challenges you, 34 00:01:43,412 --> 00:01:46,282 you make your lay statement and then you leave. 35 00:01:46,315 --> 00:01:47,884 - [Narrator] Even Steven Spielberg wants him 36 00:01:47,917 --> 00:01:51,220 to play the president of the United States in Amistad. 37 00:01:51,254 --> 00:01:52,488 - Yeah. 38 00:01:52,522 --> 00:01:53,656 - And you're coming down with your secretary. 39 00:01:53,689 --> 00:01:54,924 This was something, you can trial this. 40 00:01:54,957 --> 00:01:56,592 But this is a better location. 41 00:01:56,626 --> 00:01:57,894 - Good. - So we'll do that first. 42 00:01:57,927 --> 00:01:58,561 - And have you seen the house of the General? 43 00:01:58,594 --> 00:01:59,896 - No. 44 00:01:59,929 --> 00:02:01,430 - Come here, because you're going to love this. 45 00:02:01,464 --> 00:02:03,966 - [Narrator] 1992 is a turning point for him. 46 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,403 In addition to becoming the favorite actor of James Ivory, 47 00:02:07,436 --> 00:02:09,472 it's also the year that he is cemented 48 00:02:09,505 --> 00:02:11,507 among the greatest actors of all time 49 00:02:11,541 --> 00:02:14,644 for his iconic role in The Silence of the Lambs. 50 00:02:15,745 --> 00:02:18,714 - And the Oscar goes to Anthony Hopkins 51 00:02:18,748 --> 00:02:20,583 in The Silence of The Lambs. 52 00:02:20,616 --> 00:02:21,817 (crowd applause) 53 00:02:21,851 --> 00:02:23,619 - I sat there that evening in the Oscars 54 00:02:23,653 --> 00:02:27,990 and Ted Tally picked up the best screenplay writer. 55 00:02:28,024 --> 00:02:31,627 And at that moment I thought, "I think I've got the Oscar," 56 00:02:31,661 --> 00:02:35,464 and Kathy Bates came on stage to present it 57 00:02:35,498 --> 00:02:37,700 and I knew she was going to call my name. 58 00:02:37,733 --> 00:02:40,636 (applause) 59 00:02:40,670 --> 00:02:42,004 First of all, before I say on, 60 00:02:42,038 --> 00:02:44,707 I want to say hello to my mother. 61 00:02:44,740 --> 00:02:46,909 She's in Wales watching this on television 62 00:02:47,977 --> 00:02:50,813 with Eve and Jean and Jill and Tony. 63 00:02:50,846 --> 00:02:52,949 My father died 11 years ago tonight, 64 00:02:52,982 --> 00:02:55,818 so maybe he had something to do with this as well. (laughs) 65 00:02:55,851 --> 00:02:58,287 And then I thought when I got up there to take the Oscar, 66 00:02:58,321 --> 00:03:00,356 I thought, "Well now I can do some bad films," 67 00:03:00,389 --> 00:03:01,824 which I proceeded to do. 68 00:03:01,857 --> 00:03:02,959 Doesn't matter really. 69 00:03:04,427 --> 00:03:06,996 I touched the ceiling of my life, I suppose. 70 00:03:07,029 --> 00:03:07,997 (soft piano music) 71 00:03:08,030 --> 00:03:10,866 I love the coldness of life. 72 00:03:10,900 --> 00:03:14,036 I love the inevitability of it all. 73 00:03:14,070 --> 00:03:17,373 (soft piano music) 74 00:03:17,406 --> 00:03:19,675 (car engine zooming) 75 00:03:19,709 --> 00:03:24,714 I had no friends, because I rejected friends, I suppose. 76 00:03:24,747 --> 00:03:26,048 So I was lonely. 77 00:03:26,082 --> 00:03:27,750 I was a non-starter. 78 00:03:28,684 --> 00:03:30,319 Very poor student. 79 00:03:31,887 --> 00:03:33,556 I was convinced I was on the wrong planet. 80 00:03:33,589 --> 00:03:36,959 (gentle piano music) 81 00:03:36,993 --> 00:03:39,495 I think that those years were quite formative for me. 82 00:03:39,528 --> 00:03:41,831 I was escaping, I think, from my sense 83 00:03:41,864 --> 00:03:43,899 of being a kind of clodhopper. 84 00:03:48,404 --> 00:03:49,739 Well, I was the source of worry. 85 00:03:49,772 --> 00:03:51,040 I was the only child and I was the source of worry 86 00:03:51,073 --> 00:03:52,642 of both my parents when I was a kid, 87 00:03:52,675 --> 00:03:54,744 because I was so stupid at school. 88 00:03:54,777 --> 00:03:56,712 I mean, I haven't got fashionable high flowing words 89 00:03:56,746 --> 00:03:57,680 like, I was dyslexic, 90 00:03:57,713 --> 00:03:58,881 I think I was just stupid. 91 00:03:58,914 --> 00:04:01,817 And I couldn't figure out what anyone was talking about. 92 00:04:01,851 --> 00:04:04,453 And I was the lonely kid at the top of the streets 93 00:04:04,487 --> 00:04:05,755 staring at my thumbnail, 94 00:04:05,788 --> 00:04:07,423 and all the other kids were down 95 00:04:07,456 --> 00:04:08,591 the other end of the street. 96 00:04:08,624 --> 00:04:09,859 My father used to say to my mother, 97 00:04:09,892 --> 00:04:11,594 "There's something very wrong with this boy." 98 00:04:11,627 --> 00:04:15,064 Which is not the way to give one self-confidence, 99 00:04:15,097 --> 00:04:17,400 but they were worried about me. 100 00:04:17,433 --> 00:04:19,902 But in a strange way, I had an idyllic childhood. 101 00:04:19,935 --> 00:04:21,871 I remember the first four years very clearly. 102 00:04:21,904 --> 00:04:24,006 I've got one of those, cursed and blessed 103 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:29,412 with images and a very long memory. 104 00:04:30,479 --> 00:04:32,481 I can remember back to very early times, 105 00:04:32,515 --> 00:04:35,518 probably about the age of two, something like that. 106 00:04:35,551 --> 00:04:39,021 And I remember South Wales. 107 00:04:39,055 --> 00:04:40,923 I was born in the rural part of Port Talbot, 108 00:04:40,956 --> 00:04:42,792 a place called Margam. 109 00:04:42,825 --> 00:04:45,861 And it really was like the Garden of Eden. 110 00:04:45,895 --> 00:04:47,596 I remember our little front garden, 111 00:04:47,630 --> 00:04:48,564 and it was really... 112 00:04:48,597 --> 00:04:50,399 a couple of small trees there, 113 00:04:50,433 --> 00:04:53,169 and it really was like a mini paradise. 114 00:04:53,202 --> 00:04:56,072 And I can recall, when I close my eyes, 115 00:04:56,105 --> 00:04:59,475 I can go back there and it's all changed now, of course, 116 00:04:59,508 --> 00:05:04,680 but I can, the smells and the colors. 117 00:05:05,581 --> 00:05:06,949 But when I went to school, 118 00:05:06,982 --> 00:05:08,918 that was the beginning of the turning point for me. 119 00:05:08,951 --> 00:05:10,619 When I realized I was different, 120 00:05:11,821 --> 00:05:14,090 backward, more slow. 121 00:05:14,123 --> 00:05:15,658 And I have no regret at all, 122 00:05:15,691 --> 00:05:17,593 because that was the fire in the belly 123 00:05:17,626 --> 00:05:20,096 that gave me enough anger and rage. 124 00:05:20,129 --> 00:05:23,999 (car engines zooming) 125 00:05:24,033 --> 00:05:29,405 My father was a pretty boisterous, tough old sort, really. 126 00:05:30,172 --> 00:05:31,207 He was a remarkable man. 127 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:32,575 I loved him very much. 128 00:05:34,076 --> 00:05:35,644 He was a baker by profession. 129 00:05:35,678 --> 00:05:36,946 That's what he started. 130 00:05:36,979 --> 00:05:40,116 And he took over, he was a baker with his father. 131 00:05:40,149 --> 00:05:41,183 Good God. 132 00:05:42,718 --> 00:05:44,487 Believe it or not I lived in here. 133 00:05:46,222 --> 00:05:48,457 It's just like in my dreams. 134 00:05:48,491 --> 00:05:49,825 Ruins. 135 00:05:49,859 --> 00:05:52,795 Maybe it's a symbol of my own ruined life. 136 00:05:52,828 --> 00:05:53,863 I don't know. 137 00:05:54,864 --> 00:05:57,199 And I remember that sometimes, 138 00:05:57,233 --> 00:05:59,168 the yellow look in his face around the gills, 139 00:05:59,201 --> 00:06:00,736 and the sweat. 140 00:06:01,670 --> 00:06:04,106 And he'd say, "Oh God." 141 00:06:04,140 --> 00:06:07,042 And he'd do that, and I remember that God, he's worked hard. 142 00:06:09,211 --> 00:06:13,048 Yeah, I think that's why I get angry sometimes. 143 00:06:14,750 --> 00:06:16,018 - Do you think of your father often now? 144 00:06:16,051 --> 00:06:16,986 - All the time. 145 00:06:17,019 --> 00:06:18,220 - Yes. 146 00:06:18,254 --> 00:06:18,788 - And as I get older, he's becoming me. 147 00:06:18,821 --> 00:06:19,922 I'm him. 148 00:06:19,955 --> 00:06:21,190 (audience laughs) 149 00:06:21,223 --> 00:06:22,558 I remember I used to play the piano a lot. 150 00:06:22,591 --> 00:06:23,793 I was a little artist, you could say. 151 00:06:23,826 --> 00:06:24,994 I used to play Beethoven and all that stuff, 152 00:06:25,027 --> 00:06:26,195 and Chopin, and all that. 153 00:06:26,228 --> 00:06:27,897 And he was a baker, 154 00:06:27,930 --> 00:06:30,232 and he used to ask me to come and help him in the shop. 155 00:06:30,266 --> 00:06:32,935 Carry the cakes into the shop during school holidays. 156 00:06:32,968 --> 00:06:35,571 Well I'd sort of get distracted. 157 00:06:35,604 --> 00:06:37,106 And I remember sitting at the top of the house 158 00:06:37,139 --> 00:06:38,073 where this piano was, 159 00:06:38,107 --> 00:06:39,074 and I remember him coming out, 160 00:06:39,108 --> 00:06:40,776 and "For God sakes," he'd say, 161 00:06:40,810 --> 00:06:42,578 "I asked you to take those donuts into the shop." 162 00:06:42,611 --> 00:06:43,846 "What the hell are you doing up here?" 163 00:06:43,879 --> 00:06:45,047 I was playing the piano. 164 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:46,182 "So what's that you're playing?" 165 00:06:46,215 --> 00:06:47,650 I remember him standing in the doorway 166 00:06:47,683 --> 00:06:49,552 and he had flour dust in the hair on his arms. 167 00:06:49,585 --> 00:06:50,820 Really hard worker. 168 00:06:50,853 --> 00:06:51,687 He said, "What are you playing?" 169 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,022 I said, "Beethoven." 170 00:06:53,055 --> 00:06:55,057 He said, "No wonder you went deaf." (laughs) 171 00:06:55,090 --> 00:06:58,527 (crowd laughs) 172 00:06:58,561 --> 00:07:00,729 I don't know what my role in the world is. 173 00:07:01,831 --> 00:07:03,065 I came out here many years ago 174 00:07:03,098 --> 00:07:05,968 because I wanted to be in movies, be an actor. 175 00:07:06,001 --> 00:07:07,937 I was a bad boy. 176 00:07:09,772 --> 00:07:11,607 I couldn't stand the British theater. 177 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:12,842 I couldn't stand any of it, 178 00:07:12,875 --> 00:07:15,110 because I didn't feel I belonged there. 179 00:07:15,144 --> 00:07:16,812 Nobody's fault. 180 00:07:16,846 --> 00:07:20,850 I just didn't have it in my nature to be part of that group. 181 00:07:20,883 --> 00:07:22,685 So I reinvented my life, 182 00:07:22,718 --> 00:07:24,253 and I came out here some years ago, 183 00:07:24,286 --> 00:07:25,588 and you see the result of it. 184 00:07:25,621 --> 00:07:28,190 I'm pretty feisty. 185 00:07:28,224 --> 00:07:30,125 I am rebellious and happy. 186 00:07:33,028 --> 00:07:35,564 And so I want to give back to people. 187 00:07:35,598 --> 00:07:37,600 Not because I'm on a crusade, far from it. 188 00:07:37,633 --> 00:07:39,735 I just do this because I've got nothing better to do. 189 00:07:39,768 --> 00:07:41,670 They give me a cup of coffee and some fruit in the morning. 190 00:07:41,704 --> 00:07:43,038 So it keeps me off the streets, 191 00:07:43,072 --> 00:07:44,173 keeps me out of trouble, 192 00:07:44,206 --> 00:07:45,307 and I get some fun doing it. 193 00:07:45,341 --> 00:07:46,976 These pretty beautiful girls here. 194 00:07:47,009 --> 00:07:48,177 Women, women. 195 00:07:48,210 --> 00:07:49,245 - (laughs) 196 00:07:49,278 --> 00:07:50,212 - They're beautiful. 197 00:07:50,246 --> 00:07:51,213 I get hugs from them all. 198 00:07:51,247 --> 00:07:52,681 It's very nice. 199 00:07:52,715 --> 00:07:54,884 - Some of the men hug me as well. 200 00:07:54,917 --> 00:07:56,719 But it's lovely to see them opening up, 201 00:07:56,752 --> 00:07:59,121 and if that's their response, then that makes me happy. 202 00:07:59,154 --> 00:08:02,224 (gentle piano music) 203 00:08:02,258 --> 00:08:05,594 - [Narrator] In 1965, after five years on stage 204 00:08:05,628 --> 00:08:07,263 in Cardiff and then in London, 205 00:08:07,296 --> 00:08:10,099 he is noticed by the legendary playwright and actor, 206 00:08:10,132 --> 00:08:11,333 Sir Laurence Olivier, 207 00:08:11,367 --> 00:08:14,937 who invites him to join him in the Royal National Theatre. 208 00:08:16,405 --> 00:08:20,376 Hopkins becomes his understudy and eventually replaces him. 209 00:08:20,409 --> 00:08:23,045 In his memoir, Laurence Olivier writes, 210 00:08:23,078 --> 00:08:26,382 "An exceptionally promising young actor from the company, 211 00:08:26,415 --> 00:08:30,319 named Anthony Hopkins, replaced me and played my role 212 00:08:30,352 --> 00:08:33,622 as a cat with a mouse between its teeth." 213 00:08:33,656 --> 00:08:35,758 (gentle piano music) 214 00:08:35,791 --> 00:08:38,360 - Yeah, when I started out I just wanted to be famous. 215 00:08:38,394 --> 00:08:39,962 I didn't want to become a great actor. 216 00:08:39,995 --> 00:08:41,764 I didn't want to become a great Shakespearean actor. 217 00:08:41,797 --> 00:08:43,098 I had no idea. 218 00:08:43,132 --> 00:08:44,333 When people would say, "You're the next Olivier." 219 00:08:44,366 --> 00:08:45,768 I didn't want to become the next Olivier. 220 00:08:45,801 --> 00:08:47,136 I didn't want to stand in wrinkled tights 221 00:08:47,169 --> 00:08:49,071 on The Old Vic stage for the rest of my life. 222 00:08:49,104 --> 00:08:51,807 I had ideas beyond that. 223 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,277 (melancholic piano plays) 224 00:08:58,681 --> 00:09:02,051 I was discontent, I was angry and fed up. 225 00:09:02,084 --> 00:09:05,921 And I hated being part of an establishment 226 00:09:05,955 --> 00:09:08,223 and hated doing Shakespeare. 227 00:09:08,257 --> 00:09:09,925 It was all my own making. 228 00:09:09,959 --> 00:09:11,060 I was the enemy within, you know? 229 00:09:11,093 --> 00:09:12,061 It was all my own making. 230 00:09:12,094 --> 00:09:13,329 It was nobody else's fault. 231 00:09:13,362 --> 00:09:17,967 Everyone did their best to cater to my needs. 232 00:09:19,435 --> 00:09:21,370 - [Interviewer] Were you drinking at that time? 233 00:09:21,403 --> 00:09:24,940 - Oh yes, but all actors drink. 234 00:09:24,974 --> 00:09:26,775 That was just an episode in my life, 235 00:09:26,809 --> 00:09:27,910 that's over and done with now. 236 00:09:27,943 --> 00:09:29,912 That's a boring episode of life. 237 00:09:29,945 --> 00:09:31,747 But I don't think it helped, 238 00:09:31,780 --> 00:09:33,015 but I was restless. 239 00:09:33,048 --> 00:09:34,883 I wanted to get out, and I was frightened. 240 00:09:34,917 --> 00:09:38,220 I was afraid I was taking on this monumental part, 241 00:09:38,253 --> 00:09:40,189 and I never pretended that I had the courage 242 00:09:40,222 --> 00:09:42,324 to do these great parts like Macbeth and King Lear. 243 00:09:42,358 --> 00:09:44,860 I never said I could do them. 244 00:09:44,893 --> 00:09:47,296 I never thought I had the courage to do them. 245 00:09:47,329 --> 00:09:50,966 (melancholic piano plays) 246 00:09:53,869 --> 00:09:54,803 I wanted it all. 247 00:09:54,837 --> 00:09:55,938 I wanted to be successful, 248 00:09:55,971 --> 00:09:56,905 and I wanted to be famous, 249 00:09:56,939 --> 00:09:58,407 and I wanted to be in movies. 250 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,210 And I wanted to meet people like Katharine Hepburn, 251 00:10:01,243 --> 00:10:02,778 and I want to meet Peter O'Toole, 252 00:10:02,811 --> 00:10:03,879 and I met Peter O'Toole, 253 00:10:03,912 --> 00:10:05,447 and I've met some great people, 254 00:10:05,481 --> 00:10:08,050 some wonderful directors, some wonderful actors. 255 00:10:08,083 --> 00:10:10,853 Would you say, Father, that I have the makings of a king? 256 00:10:10,886 --> 00:10:12,755 - Splendid king. 257 00:10:12,788 --> 00:10:15,290 - Would you expect me, Father, to give up without a fight? 258 00:10:15,324 --> 00:10:16,392 - Of course you'll fight. 259 00:10:16,425 --> 00:10:18,227 I raised you to. 260 00:10:18,260 --> 00:10:19,495 - I don't care what you offer Phillip, 261 00:10:19,528 --> 00:10:21,030 I don't care what plans you make, 262 00:10:21,063 --> 00:10:23,899 I'll have the Aquitaine and Alais and the crown, 263 00:10:23,932 --> 00:10:26,168 I'll not give up one to get the other. 264 00:10:26,201 --> 00:10:27,903 I won't trade off Alais or Aquitaine 265 00:10:27,936 --> 00:10:29,304 to that walking pustule! 266 00:10:31,807 --> 00:10:33,308 No, your loving son will not. 267 00:10:34,843 --> 00:10:39,748 I remember the first few days on the set of Lion in Winter, 268 00:10:40,916 --> 00:10:43,318 and I'd done a movie test with Peter O'Toole 269 00:10:43,352 --> 00:10:44,987 a few weeks before. 270 00:10:45,921 --> 00:10:48,090 And he was on the test with me 271 00:10:48,123 --> 00:10:50,025 reading off lines off the camera, 272 00:10:51,493 --> 00:10:53,796 And I remember them saying, "Cut!" 273 00:10:53,829 --> 00:10:57,332 And O'Toole saying, "You've got it. Fantastic." 274 00:10:57,366 --> 00:10:59,501 (indistinct) 275 00:10:59,535 --> 00:11:01,804 Bloody marvelous darling. 276 00:11:01,837 --> 00:11:02,938 I'm a big star. 277 00:11:02,971 --> 00:11:05,040 (laughing) 278 00:11:05,074 --> 00:11:06,909 "Let's go and have a drink." 279 00:11:06,942 --> 00:11:09,011 See, I love those guys, the drinkers, 280 00:11:09,044 --> 00:11:10,446 because they were the best. 281 00:11:10,479 --> 00:11:11,447 (audience laughing) 282 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:12,815 I love them, I love drunks. 283 00:11:12,848 --> 00:11:13,816 I love that. 284 00:11:13,849 --> 00:11:15,317 And Peter's a great boozer. 285 00:11:15,350 --> 00:11:16,852 I had to give it up 286 00:11:16,885 --> 00:11:18,020 because it nearly damn killed me in the end. 287 00:11:18,053 --> 00:11:19,521 But I remember that sensation 288 00:11:19,555 --> 00:11:21,490 of, "Oh yeah, that'd be marvelous." 289 00:11:22,591 --> 00:11:24,993 But you have to have a certain vulnerability 290 00:11:25,027 --> 00:11:27,863 and to be a certain amount of mess inside you. 291 00:11:27,896 --> 00:11:29,998 I think to really succeed, you have to be really screwed up 292 00:11:30,032 --> 00:11:32,468 to be successful in this business. 293 00:11:32,501 --> 00:11:35,370 - [Interviewer] What did you learn from Katharine Hepburn? 294 00:11:35,404 --> 00:11:38,207 What did you learn from Hepburn in that movie? 295 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:39,508 - She said to me, she said, 296 00:11:39,541 --> 00:11:43,412 "Don't act, don't act, just speak the lines. 297 00:11:43,445 --> 00:11:45,214 Be what you are." 298 00:11:45,247 --> 00:11:46,348 I was playing Richard the Lionheart. 299 00:11:46,381 --> 00:11:47,916 She knew. 300 00:11:47,950 --> 00:11:49,218 She said, "You look good. You've got a good head. 301 00:11:49,251 --> 00:11:50,486 You've got a good shoulders on you." 302 00:11:50,519 --> 00:11:51,854 She said, "You've got all the advantages, 303 00:11:51,887 --> 00:11:54,256 so don't act, don't overact." 304 00:11:54,289 --> 00:11:56,125 She said, "Don't be theatrical." 305 00:11:56,158 --> 00:11:57,092 I said, "Well what do I do?" 306 00:11:57,126 --> 00:11:58,861 She said, "Speak the lines." 307 00:11:58,894 --> 00:12:02,231 Which sounds very simplistic, but I think she was right. 308 00:12:04,867 --> 00:12:06,001 She's talking about filmmaking. 309 00:12:06,034 --> 00:12:07,169 Don't overact. 310 00:12:07,202 --> 00:12:09,004 Don't show too much. 311 00:12:09,037 --> 00:12:12,875 We could tangle spiders on the webs you weave. 312 00:12:12,908 --> 00:12:15,577 - If I'm so devious, why don't you go? 313 00:12:15,611 --> 00:12:17,980 Don't stand there quivering in limbo. 314 00:12:19,047 --> 00:12:22,084 Love me, little lamb, or leave me. 315 00:12:22,117 --> 00:12:23,886 - You were influenced by the movies, 316 00:12:23,919 --> 00:12:25,287 weren't you, the actors? 317 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:26,622 We all were. 318 00:12:26,655 --> 00:12:28,223 - I was brought up on movies. 319 00:12:28,257 --> 00:12:30,359 I have a nice, my parents were quite disciplined. 320 00:12:30,392 --> 00:12:32,494 I used to go to a movie once a week, or twice a week, 321 00:12:32,528 --> 00:12:33,962 but I used to watch 322 00:12:33,996 --> 00:12:36,231 all those old Warner Brothers movies, 323 00:12:36,265 --> 00:12:37,566 Bogart and all that lot. 324 00:12:37,599 --> 00:12:39,034 - [Interviewer] Yeah, yeah. 325 00:12:39,067 --> 00:12:40,469 - And I used to learn the script. 326 00:12:41,904 --> 00:12:42,805 - You could? 327 00:12:42,838 --> 00:12:44,039 - I knew you were going to ask me this. 328 00:12:44,072 --> 00:12:45,007 You want me to do one? 329 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,508 - Speak the script, yeah. 330 00:12:46,542 --> 00:12:47,409 - Well, okay. 331 00:12:48,577 --> 00:12:49,411 - But you remember those scripts? 332 00:12:49,444 --> 00:12:51,046 - Yes. 333 00:12:51,079 --> 00:12:53,048 My name is Spade, Sam Spade. 334 00:12:53,081 --> 00:12:55,384 License number 357896, 335 00:12:55,417 --> 00:12:58,120 issued by the police department of San Francisco. 336 00:12:58,153 --> 00:12:59,454 Occupation private detective, 337 00:12:59,488 --> 00:13:01,290 sometimes known as private eye. 338 00:13:02,624 --> 00:13:03,926 - Well done! 339 00:13:03,959 --> 00:13:08,063 (audience laughs and applauds) 340 00:13:08,096 --> 00:13:09,164 - That's Bogart. 341 00:13:09,198 --> 00:13:11,600 (applause) 342 00:13:11,633 --> 00:13:14,336 - As close to Lauren Bacall as I've ever heard. 343 00:13:14,369 --> 00:13:16,238 (audience laughing) 344 00:13:16,271 --> 00:13:17,372 Very nice. 345 00:13:17,406 --> 00:13:18,407 It's just another facet of your- 346 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,075 - Yeah, very slick (indistinct) going up for life. 347 00:13:20,108 --> 00:13:21,276 I'll tell you about it. 348 00:13:21,310 --> 00:13:22,477 So it's not bad is it? 349 00:13:22,511 --> 00:13:23,645 - Yeah, it's good, and you remember the lines definitely. 350 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,113 - Yes, I remember the lines 351 00:13:25,147 --> 00:13:26,114 I learned all that before I came on here. 352 00:13:26,148 --> 00:13:27,983 I knew you were going to ask me. 353 00:13:28,016 --> 00:13:29,551 (laughs) 354 00:13:29,585 --> 00:13:30,686 - For God's sake, don't let them know all the secrets. 355 00:13:30,719 --> 00:13:32,020 - I wasn't born here. 356 00:13:32,054 --> 00:13:33,021 - Yeah 357 00:13:33,055 --> 00:13:34,022 (gentle piano music) 358 00:13:34,056 --> 00:13:37,125 - [Narrator] At age 37, Anthony Hopkins decides 359 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:40,562 to leave England and try his luck in Hollywood. 360 00:13:40,596 --> 00:13:42,998 He starts another chapter of his life, 361 00:13:43,031 --> 00:13:45,200 following the example of Humphrey Bogart, 362 00:13:45,234 --> 00:13:47,336 James Cagney, and Marlon Brando. 363 00:13:49,238 --> 00:13:52,341 This chapter is undoubtedly the most intense. 364 00:13:52,374 --> 00:13:54,676 Anthony Hopkins, still grapples with a demon 365 00:13:54,710 --> 00:13:57,346 that will not let go, alcohol. 366 00:14:01,316 --> 00:14:04,219 His lack of self-confidence and his discomfort, 367 00:14:04,253 --> 00:14:06,989 as he often says, encourages his drinking. 368 00:14:08,357 --> 00:14:10,993 Hollywood would be his hell, 369 00:14:11,026 --> 00:14:14,229 and then later, his redemption. 370 00:14:14,263 --> 00:14:17,266 (orchestral music) 371 00:14:21,370 --> 00:14:24,339 (car motor rumbling) 372 00:14:24,373 --> 00:14:27,276 - Well, I found tequila when I came here 373 00:14:27,309 --> 00:14:30,379 and I drunk enough of that to unzip my brain 374 00:14:30,412 --> 00:14:31,713 and drive me crazy, 375 00:14:31,747 --> 00:14:34,049 and then I woke up and came to my senses. 376 00:14:34,082 --> 00:14:36,084 I thought, "Well, I'm going to blow it all 377 00:14:36,118 --> 00:14:38,120 if I don't stop doing this nonsense." 378 00:14:38,153 --> 00:14:40,122 I was trouble, I know. 379 00:14:40,155 --> 00:14:41,690 I was just a bore really. 380 00:14:41,723 --> 00:14:44,993 And I couldn't fit in, and I just didn't feel at home. 381 00:14:45,027 --> 00:14:46,094 And that was my problem. 382 00:14:47,663 --> 00:14:50,766 I'm just bad tempered, trying too much and all that. 383 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:53,235 And it all came to a bit of a crisis, 384 00:14:53,268 --> 00:14:54,469 and I walked out. 385 00:14:54,503 --> 00:14:55,337 I left in the middle of a production, 386 00:14:55,370 --> 00:14:58,140 which was a very drastic thing to do. 387 00:14:59,241 --> 00:15:00,275 I hurt a few people, 388 00:15:03,779 --> 00:15:08,083 but it's the only way I knew how to survive 389 00:15:08,116 --> 00:15:09,051 whatever I was going through. 390 00:15:09,084 --> 00:15:10,519 And so I got out. 391 00:15:10,552 --> 00:15:14,556 And I was in work, I started work fairly soon after that. 392 00:15:14,589 --> 00:15:16,792 I suppose I went through a sort of, not a breakdown, 393 00:15:16,825 --> 00:15:20,796 but I just felt very unhappy and unsettled, 394 00:15:20,829 --> 00:15:24,800 and I had no sense of self-confidence at all. 395 00:15:24,833 --> 00:15:27,636 It's not I fear death or the end of it all, 396 00:15:27,669 --> 00:15:29,071 but I am aware of it. 397 00:15:29,104 --> 00:15:30,639 I'm 57 years of age, 398 00:15:30,672 --> 00:15:34,209 and I want to have the richest years of my life ahead of me. 399 00:15:34,242 --> 00:15:36,545 And I plan to, and I'm going to. 400 00:15:36,578 --> 00:15:40,048 (music playing softly) 401 00:15:42,551 --> 00:15:46,688 When I first came to California, out here in Santa Monica, 402 00:15:48,457 --> 00:15:51,760 it was like being on another planet. 403 00:15:53,528 --> 00:15:56,198 I thought they were different race of people. 404 00:15:56,231 --> 00:15:58,166 Everyone in those days looked very glamorous, 405 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,670 and I thought they were all tall blonde girls 406 00:16:01,703 --> 00:16:04,706 and good looking guys. 407 00:16:04,740 --> 00:16:07,342 (soft piano music) 408 00:16:07,376 --> 00:16:09,644 I like the shallowness of it all in a way. 409 00:16:11,446 --> 00:16:13,281 Jonathan Miller said to me when he came out here, 410 00:16:13,315 --> 00:16:14,783 He said, "How can you live here? 411 00:16:14,816 --> 00:16:16,718 It's like living on the moon." 412 00:16:16,752 --> 00:16:19,121 I said, "Well, it's all right. 413 00:16:19,154 --> 00:16:19,821 I like it here." 414 00:16:21,656 --> 00:16:23,458 There's a lovely time in the evening, like now, 415 00:16:23,492 --> 00:16:27,462 when it feels very, very peaceful and it just feels right. 416 00:16:28,830 --> 00:16:30,499 I carry that feeling around with me 417 00:16:30,532 --> 00:16:32,768 most of my time now, 418 00:16:32,801 --> 00:16:36,271 It's that thing where it just feels right inside, you know? 419 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,075 No contention, no argument, 420 00:16:40,776 --> 00:16:44,179 no fighting, no belligerence. 421 00:16:44,212 --> 00:16:46,581 (soft music) 422 00:16:46,615 --> 00:16:49,885 - [Narrator] For him, California becomes another planet, 423 00:16:49,918 --> 00:16:53,388 one on which he lives with his second wife, Jennifer Lynton, 424 00:16:53,422 --> 00:16:55,490 who he met in England while she was working 425 00:16:55,524 --> 00:16:57,225 as a production assistant. 426 00:16:58,293 --> 00:16:59,428 (soft music) 427 00:16:59,461 --> 00:17:03,465 There, Anthony Hopkins left his first wife Petronella, 428 00:17:03,498 --> 00:17:06,601 and the child they had together, his daughter, Abigail. 429 00:17:08,770 --> 00:17:12,774 America for Hopkins is the world of possibilities. 430 00:17:12,808 --> 00:17:16,378 Luck smiles on him, when in '78, Richard Attenborough 431 00:17:16,411 --> 00:17:18,680 offers him a key role in his career, 432 00:17:18,713 --> 00:17:22,584 as a mad ventriloquist in the little known film, Magic. 433 00:17:22,617 --> 00:17:24,419 (applause) - You ruined the rising aces. 434 00:17:24,453 --> 00:17:26,254 - So what, screw it. 435 00:17:26,288 --> 00:17:28,523 You see the broad with the big jugs? 436 00:17:28,557 --> 00:17:30,225 - You mean the young lady in the feathers? 437 00:17:30,258 --> 00:17:31,927 Yeah I see her, so what? 438 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,596 - Wonder if she'd like a roll in the shavings with me? 439 00:17:34,629 --> 00:17:35,864 (audience laughs) 440 00:17:35,897 --> 00:17:37,833 - I don't think you're very funny. 441 00:17:37,866 --> 00:17:39,234 - Well they do. 442 00:17:39,267 --> 00:17:40,769 (audience laughs) 443 00:17:40,802 --> 00:17:43,271 - What about the vent though, first of all, 444 00:17:43,305 --> 00:17:45,507 how difficult is it to throw your voice like that 445 00:17:45,540 --> 00:17:47,375 without moving your lips as they say? 446 00:17:47,409 --> 00:17:52,581 - Well I found it fairly easy, maybe because I'm an actor 447 00:17:53,815 --> 00:17:55,817 and you have to keep your voice flexible, 448 00:17:55,851 --> 00:17:57,786 and I was willing to learn. 449 00:17:57,819 --> 00:18:00,322 And I decided that the only way I could do it 450 00:18:00,355 --> 00:18:02,791 was to enjoy it. 451 00:18:02,824 --> 00:18:04,593 And I've been a mimic as well, 452 00:18:04,626 --> 00:18:09,631 so I found it fairly easy, and I had a good teacher. 453 00:18:09,664 --> 00:18:10,866 Now, maybe I was a good student. 454 00:18:10,899 --> 00:18:12,334 - Can you still do it? 455 00:18:12,367 --> 00:18:13,702 - Yes (indistinct) 456 00:18:13,735 --> 00:18:14,569 - Like what? 457 00:18:14,603 --> 00:18:15,804 - Yes I can, 458 00:18:15,837 --> 00:18:16,638 (in high pitched voice) Hi, Michael. 459 00:18:16,671 --> 00:18:17,405 How are you doing? 460 00:18:17,439 --> 00:18:18,273 Good to see you. 461 00:18:18,306 --> 00:18:19,941 Hi gang, you okay? 462 00:18:19,975 --> 00:18:21,243 Fantastic. 463 00:18:21,276 --> 00:18:22,244 (laughs) 464 00:18:22,277 --> 00:18:24,913 (upbeat music) 465 00:18:26,982 --> 00:18:29,251 - Hey you know what I think? 466 00:18:29,284 --> 00:18:31,319 - No, what do you think? 467 00:18:31,353 --> 00:18:33,288 - We're going to be a star! 468 00:18:34,022 --> 00:18:37,726 (dramatic orchestra music) 469 00:18:40,428 --> 00:18:41,796 - I find that acting has been 470 00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:43,498 tremendously therapeutic for me. 471 00:18:43,532 --> 00:18:45,000 So I think if I hadn't been an actor, 472 00:18:45,033 --> 00:18:47,269 I probably would have been, 473 00:18:47,302 --> 00:18:48,537 I don't know if I'd have been slightly criminal, 474 00:18:48,570 --> 00:18:51,506 but I don't think I would have been a very nice human being. 475 00:18:51,540 --> 00:18:52,841 I don't think I would have, 476 00:18:52,874 --> 00:18:55,510 I think I would have eaten myself alive, 477 00:18:55,544 --> 00:18:57,712 and acting has saved me from that in a way. 478 00:18:57,746 --> 00:19:02,918 It's helped me to touch parts of my own personality, 479 00:19:04,286 --> 00:19:09,291 I suppose, of my own inner darkness. 480 00:19:10,358 --> 00:19:12,627 - [Narrator] Darkness, monsters, prejudice, 481 00:19:12,661 --> 00:19:14,462 violence, humanity, 482 00:19:14,496 --> 00:19:16,665 in 1980 with the film, The Elephant Man, 483 00:19:16,698 --> 00:19:18,533 in his role as Doctor Treves, 484 00:19:18,567 --> 00:19:20,602 who tries to come to the aid of John Hurt, 485 00:19:20,635 --> 00:19:22,470 the famous man-elephant. 486 00:19:22,504 --> 00:19:25,874 Anthony Hopkins puts on his Hollywood star clothes. 487 00:19:25,907 --> 00:19:28,643 On set, the relationship between David Lynch 488 00:19:28,677 --> 00:19:31,646 and Hopkins is appalling, but it works. 489 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,448 The film is a masterpiece, 490 00:19:33,481 --> 00:19:37,719 and will forever remain one of his greatest roles. 491 00:19:37,752 --> 00:19:40,422 - Basically, it's a very touching story 492 00:19:41,523 --> 00:19:43,491 about a man called John Merrick, 493 00:19:43,525 --> 00:19:45,293 who was so seriously deformed. 494 00:19:45,327 --> 00:19:47,629 I don't know what the nature of his disease was, 495 00:19:47,662 --> 00:19:48,930 but he had a very large head, 496 00:19:48,964 --> 00:19:52,033 and the one side of his body totally deformed. 497 00:19:52,067 --> 00:19:54,836 And he was a sideshow freak. 498 00:19:54,869 --> 00:19:58,039 And he was cruelly beaten and treated very badly. 499 00:19:58,073 --> 00:19:59,341 He was born like this. 500 00:20:00,375 --> 00:20:03,545 (melancholy music) 501 00:20:04,646 --> 00:20:06,548 (indistinct) 502 00:20:06,581 --> 00:20:09,751 (melancholy music) 503 00:20:11,853 --> 00:20:14,889 (thunder crashing) 504 00:20:16,458 --> 00:20:20,428 - And the part I play is Dr. Frederick Treves. 505 00:20:21,863 --> 00:20:24,499 And Treves found him in the circus, in the sideshow, 506 00:20:24,532 --> 00:20:28,370 and took him back to the London hospital and kept him there. 507 00:20:28,403 --> 00:20:29,504 (footsteps tapping) 508 00:20:29,537 --> 00:20:32,641 (breathing heavily) 509 00:20:36,611 --> 00:20:38,980 But John Merrick could speak, 510 00:20:39,014 --> 00:20:40,982 and he could read, and he could write, 511 00:20:41,016 --> 00:20:44,519 and he became a centerpiece for society in London. 512 00:20:44,552 --> 00:20:45,587 This is about the 1880s. 513 00:20:47,889 --> 00:20:50,659 - Mr. Merrick, I'd like you to meet my wife, Anne. 514 00:20:50,692 --> 00:20:53,094 Anne, this is John Merrick. 515 00:20:53,128 --> 00:20:55,897 (clock ticking) 516 00:20:57,532 --> 00:20:59,801 - I'm very pleased to meet you, Mr. Merrick. 517 00:21:02,737 --> 00:21:04,039 - I... 518 00:21:04,072 --> 00:21:04,939 I... 519 00:21:06,708 --> 00:21:07,575 I very... 520 00:21:10,178 --> 00:21:12,414 (calm music) 521 00:21:12,447 --> 00:21:14,916 - It's when Jonathan Demme sees David Lynch's film, 522 00:21:14,949 --> 00:21:17,018 that he considers Anthony Hopkins for 523 00:21:17,052 --> 00:21:19,454 The Silence of the Lambs. 524 00:21:19,487 --> 00:21:21,690 This is the role of a serial killer, 525 00:21:21,723 --> 00:21:24,426 a machiavellian cannibal. 526 00:21:24,459 --> 00:21:26,594 No one has heard of the script in Hollywood, 527 00:21:26,628 --> 00:21:30,031 but Hopkins quickly realizes the potential of such a role 528 00:21:30,065 --> 00:21:32,667 and starts shaping the character. 529 00:21:32,701 --> 00:21:36,471 Slicked black hair, glassy eyes, and a straight jacket. 530 00:21:36,504 --> 00:21:38,473 The mask is made for him. 531 00:21:40,542 --> 00:21:41,843 - I didn't want to play the evils, 532 00:21:41,876 --> 00:21:43,978 because if you're playing a madman, 533 00:21:44,012 --> 00:21:46,681 if you play the madness, it's ludicrous. 534 00:21:46,715 --> 00:21:48,516 How do you play madness? 535 00:21:48,550 --> 00:21:53,621 So I opted for playing the really super sane side of him, 536 00:21:56,024 --> 00:22:00,695 the highly civilized section of Hannibal's mind. 537 00:22:00,729 --> 00:22:03,131 And then all the evil that he is, 538 00:22:03,164 --> 00:22:06,134 is there for the audience to make up for their own minds. 539 00:22:07,202 --> 00:22:08,536 Good evening, Clarice. 540 00:22:10,739 --> 00:22:13,541 - I thought you might like your drawings back, doctor. 541 00:22:16,144 --> 00:22:17,846 Just until you get your view. 542 00:22:19,047 --> 00:22:20,715 - How very thoughtful. 543 00:22:22,183 --> 00:22:25,153 Or did Jack Crawford send you for one last wheedle 544 00:22:25,186 --> 00:22:27,889 before you're both booted off the case? 545 00:22:27,922 --> 00:22:29,657 - No, I came because I wanted to. 546 00:22:34,729 --> 00:22:37,665 - People will say we're in love. 547 00:22:37,699 --> 00:22:39,801 - Let me talk about some of the specifics of that, 548 00:22:39,834 --> 00:22:43,071 well there's the noise you make, that (tongue clicks). 549 00:22:43,104 --> 00:22:43,938 - Oh yeah. 550 00:22:43,972 --> 00:22:45,039 - Yeah. 551 00:22:45,073 --> 00:22:46,775 Now that presumably wasn't written, 552 00:22:46,808 --> 00:22:48,009 that must've come from you, I would have thought, 553 00:22:48,042 --> 00:22:50,478 or was that Jonathan Demme's idea? 554 00:22:50,512 --> 00:22:51,646 - That happened on the spur of the moment. 555 00:22:51,679 --> 00:22:53,214 I just put it in for a joke. 556 00:22:53,248 --> 00:22:54,849 (laughs) 557 00:22:54,883 --> 00:22:56,785 Because you heard Jonathan Demme laugh, 558 00:22:56,818 --> 00:22:59,821 quietly so he didn't destroy the soundtrack. 559 00:22:59,854 --> 00:23:03,691 And I just did it, it just came to me. 560 00:23:03,725 --> 00:23:06,060 And I heard him say, "God," in the corner, 561 00:23:06,094 --> 00:23:07,495 he was watching the camera, 562 00:23:07,529 --> 00:23:09,097 he was on the monitor, watching the film. 563 00:23:10,231 --> 00:23:12,000 And he said, "Cut." 564 00:23:12,033 --> 00:23:14,068 He says, "You are so sick, Hopkins." 565 00:23:14,102 --> 00:23:15,537 I said, "Was it over the top?" 566 00:23:15,570 --> 00:23:17,005 He said, "Yeah," he said, "But I like it." 567 00:23:17,038 --> 00:23:18,540 So we kept it in. 568 00:23:18,573 --> 00:23:21,242 (hisses with tongue) 569 00:23:21,276 --> 00:23:22,844 - [Narrator] It's with his hissing noise 570 00:23:22,877 --> 00:23:24,813 that Anthony Hopkins chills the blood 571 00:23:24,846 --> 00:23:26,881 of an entire generation, 572 00:23:26,915 --> 00:23:30,819 and earns his stripes as Hollywood's greatest psychopath. 573 00:23:30,852 --> 00:23:32,287 - Five, five, nine. 574 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,722 - [Narrator] The first to pay the price is Jodie Foster, 575 00:23:34,756 --> 00:23:38,793 who still remembers it in 2016 on The Graham Norton Show. 576 00:23:38,827 --> 00:23:42,697 - Is it true, did you never speak to Anthony Hopkins? 577 00:23:42,730 --> 00:23:43,665 - Nope. 578 00:23:43,698 --> 00:23:44,699 Never spoke to him. 579 00:23:44,732 --> 00:23:45,867 He was scary. 580 00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:47,001 (audience laughs) 581 00:23:47,035 --> 00:23:48,236 The first day we had a reading, 582 00:23:48,269 --> 00:23:50,138 we had like a little read-through. 583 00:23:50,171 --> 00:23:52,640 I got there early, and then I went to the bathroom, 584 00:23:52,674 --> 00:23:54,075 and I came back, everybody was sitting down. 585 00:23:54,108 --> 00:23:56,277 We did the read-through of the film, 586 00:23:56,311 --> 00:23:58,680 and by the end of it, I never wanted to talk to him again. 587 00:23:58,713 --> 00:24:00,181 I was petrified. 588 00:24:00,215 --> 00:24:02,851 - But you never passed backstage in a corridor? 589 00:24:02,884 --> 00:24:03,852 - No, I avoided him. 590 00:24:03,885 --> 00:24:06,254 (audience laughs) 591 00:24:06,287 --> 00:24:07,755 I really avoided him. 592 00:24:07,789 --> 00:24:10,258 And then I was eating a tuna fish sandwich. 593 00:24:10,291 --> 00:24:13,127 It was the last day, and he came up to me, and he... 594 00:24:13,161 --> 00:24:14,863 I guess he was sidled up to me. 595 00:24:14,896 --> 00:24:16,998 And I said, I don't know, I sort of had a tear in my eye. 596 00:24:17,031 --> 00:24:18,566 I was like, "I was really scared of you." 597 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,235 And he said, "I was scared of you!" 598 00:24:21,336 --> 00:24:23,271 - May I ask your credentials? 599 00:24:23,304 --> 00:24:24,205 - [Foster Voiceover] And by the time that we got 600 00:24:24,239 --> 00:24:25,807 into our scenes together, 601 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,909 he was behind this glass partition 602 00:24:27,942 --> 00:24:30,645 and he had to be unscrewed out of the glass partition 603 00:24:30,678 --> 00:24:32,146 in order for us to communicate. 604 00:24:32,180 --> 00:24:33,181 - Closer please. 605 00:24:35,683 --> 00:24:37,051 Closer. 606 00:24:39,387 --> 00:24:43,124 (footsteps slowly tapping) 607 00:24:47,295 --> 00:24:49,297 - There were a few things that he added in 608 00:24:49,330 --> 00:24:51,666 that for some reason, just sent shivers up my spine. 609 00:24:51,699 --> 00:24:56,371 There's one moment where Lecter is going on at Clarice, 610 00:24:56,404 --> 00:24:57,805 and saying, "You're just a rube," 611 00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:00,141 and, "You're some small-town hick." 612 00:25:01,976 --> 00:25:06,114 And he started mimicking my accent, 613 00:25:06,147 --> 00:25:10,084 and that just really upset me. 614 00:25:10,118 --> 00:25:10,952 (laughs) 615 00:25:10,985 --> 00:25:13,254 I guess as an actor, I got really... 616 00:25:14,355 --> 00:25:16,257 it really took me off guard, 617 00:25:16,291 --> 00:25:17,792 to have the actor who's playing opposite 618 00:25:17,825 --> 00:25:20,094 of you start mimicking the accent 619 00:25:20,128 --> 00:25:21,362 that you're using as an actor. 620 00:25:21,396 --> 00:25:24,399 And he got to me. 621 00:25:24,432 --> 00:25:27,268 And I think it really shows on screen actually. 622 00:25:27,302 --> 00:25:28,703 - You know what you look like to me, 623 00:25:28,736 --> 00:25:31,139 with your good bag and your cheap shoes? 624 00:25:31,172 --> 00:25:32,340 You look like a rube. 625 00:25:34,042 --> 00:25:37,245 A well-scrubbed, hustling rube with a little taste. 626 00:25:38,446 --> 00:25:40,682 Good nutrition's given you some length of bone, 627 00:25:40,715 --> 00:25:42,317 but you're not more than one generation 628 00:25:42,350 --> 00:25:46,020 from poor white trash, are you, Agent Starling? 629 00:25:46,054 --> 00:25:48,957 And that accent you've tried so desperately to shed, 630 00:25:48,990 --> 00:25:51,092 pure West Virginia. 631 00:25:51,125 --> 00:25:52,060 What is your father, dear? 632 00:25:52,093 --> 00:25:53,695 Is he a coal miner? 633 00:25:53,728 --> 00:25:55,830 Does he stink of the land? 634 00:25:55,863 --> 00:25:58,266 And oh, how quickly the boys found you. 635 00:25:58,299 --> 00:26:00,201 All those tedious, sticky fumblings 636 00:26:00,234 --> 00:26:02,236 in the back seats of cars, 637 00:26:02,270 --> 00:26:04,272 while you could only dream of getting out, 638 00:26:04,305 --> 00:26:05,239 getting anywhere, 639 00:26:05,273 --> 00:26:07,875 getting all the way to the FBI. 640 00:26:10,111 --> 00:26:11,679 I understand monsters. 641 00:26:11,713 --> 00:26:12,914 I understand tyrants. 642 00:26:12,947 --> 00:26:14,282 I understand madmen. 643 00:26:14,315 --> 00:26:16,084 I don't know what it is, 644 00:26:16,117 --> 00:26:18,052 I have a sympathy with them, in a strange way. 645 00:26:18,086 --> 00:26:21,089 I can understand what makes people tick 646 00:26:21,122 --> 00:26:22,757 in these darker levels. 647 00:26:22,790 --> 00:26:23,791 (screams) 648 00:26:23,825 --> 00:26:27,762 (officer screams in pain) 649 00:26:27,795 --> 00:26:29,731 - Jesus Christ! 650 00:26:29,764 --> 00:26:31,165 (officer screams in pain) 651 00:26:31,199 --> 00:26:32,333 - Ow, ow, ow. 652 00:26:33,935 --> 00:26:36,237 (screams) 653 00:26:38,940 --> 00:26:41,876 (ominous music) 654 00:26:46,814 --> 00:26:49,150 (screams) 655 00:26:51,853 --> 00:26:54,789 (breathing heavy) 656 00:26:57,992 --> 00:26:59,861 - Hello. 657 00:26:59,894 --> 00:27:03,331 So here we are at the Universal Studios. 658 00:27:03,364 --> 00:27:06,801 (gentle piano music) 659 00:27:06,834 --> 00:27:09,003 This is Dino De Laurentiis' production. 660 00:27:09,037 --> 00:27:12,373 So we're going into the original set 661 00:27:12,407 --> 00:27:13,474 that we have on Silence of the Lambs. 662 00:27:13,508 --> 00:27:15,743 Where it's re-built. 663 00:27:15,777 --> 00:27:16,444 Hello. 664 00:27:18,012 --> 00:27:21,115 So this is the return to the original set, 665 00:27:22,350 --> 00:27:26,054 the jail where they lock Dr. Lecter up. 666 00:27:27,021 --> 00:27:28,423 It's funny being back here. 667 00:27:28,456 --> 00:27:31,059 We started filming here last week, 668 00:27:31,092 --> 00:27:36,264 and this is the corridor that Jodie Foster walked down. 669 00:27:38,199 --> 00:27:42,070 So here we are back like old times. 670 00:27:42,103 --> 00:27:44,505 I can't take any of this too seriously. 671 00:27:44,539 --> 00:27:46,507 I can't take it seriously at all. 672 00:27:46,541 --> 00:27:47,842 Anyway, it's fun. 673 00:27:47,875 --> 00:27:48,876 It's all a game. 674 00:27:48,910 --> 00:27:49,944 And these are the cells. 675 00:27:49,977 --> 00:27:53,047 And this is where... 676 00:27:53,081 --> 00:27:56,117 (gentle piano music) 677 00:27:56,150 --> 00:27:58,753 (footsteps) 678 00:28:00,154 --> 00:28:03,524 This was Lecter's cell. 679 00:28:04,926 --> 00:28:07,829 So it is odd, to say the least, 680 00:28:07,862 --> 00:28:08,863 to be back here. 681 00:28:12,834 --> 00:28:14,535 (dramatic orchestra music) 682 00:28:14,569 --> 00:28:17,839 - [Narrator] March 30th, 1992 is Oscar night. 683 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,475 Sometime earlier, the film's director, 684 00:28:20,508 --> 00:28:22,410 Jonathan Demme told reporters, 685 00:28:22,443 --> 00:28:25,012 "We created Hollywood's greatest villain 686 00:28:25,046 --> 00:28:26,981 since Norman Bates in Psycho." 687 00:28:28,082 --> 00:28:30,585 So when MC Billy Crystal enters the stage 688 00:28:30,618 --> 00:28:32,820 wearing the Hannibal Lecter mask, 689 00:28:32,854 --> 00:28:35,256 Hopkins realizes that whatever the verdict, 690 00:28:35,289 --> 00:28:38,559 his interpretation of a fearsomely intelligent psychopath 691 00:28:38,593 --> 00:28:39,827 is now legendary, 692 00:28:39,861 --> 00:28:43,197 and that it has propelled him to the ranks of the greatest. 693 00:28:43,231 --> 00:28:44,932 (audience laughing) 694 00:28:44,966 --> 00:28:47,135 - [Narrator] His competitors in the best actor category 695 00:28:47,168 --> 00:28:49,303 are Warren Beatty, Robert De Niro, 696 00:28:49,337 --> 00:28:51,405 Nick Nolte, and Robin Williams. 697 00:28:51,439 --> 00:28:52,373 (audience laughing) 698 00:28:52,406 --> 00:28:56,010 (dramatic orchestra music) 699 00:28:57,145 --> 00:29:01,215 (woman nervously laughing) 700 00:29:01,249 --> 00:29:04,318 Hopkins would later say that the evening was life changing, 701 00:29:04,352 --> 00:29:06,154 and that he finally felt legitimate 702 00:29:06,187 --> 00:29:09,423 and accepted in this world that was not meant for him. 703 00:29:09,457 --> 00:29:11,893 (applause) 704 00:29:14,495 --> 00:29:17,031 - I'm having some of the academy over for dinner. 705 00:29:17,064 --> 00:29:18,399 Care to join me? 706 00:29:18,432 --> 00:29:20,501 (audience laughs) 707 00:29:20,535 --> 00:29:21,335 - Yes, anytime. 708 00:29:21,369 --> 00:29:22,470 - Anytime. 709 00:29:22,503 --> 00:29:24,038 (laughs) 710 00:29:24,071 --> 00:29:24,939 Good evening. 711 00:29:26,140 --> 00:29:28,543 - Welcome, live at the St. James's Club LA, 712 00:29:28,576 --> 00:29:31,212 cuddly cannibal, Anthony Hopkins. 713 00:29:31,245 --> 00:29:34,348 (audience cheers) 714 00:29:39,387 --> 00:29:41,989 - Anthony, welcome and congratulations. 715 00:29:42,023 --> 00:29:43,558 - Thank you, Terry. 716 00:29:43,591 --> 00:29:45,560 - Well, one of the reasons that I'm interviewing you 717 00:29:45,593 --> 00:29:50,364 so far away, is because quite frankly, after that movie, 718 00:29:50,398 --> 00:29:52,166 I'm fairly apprehensive of you, 719 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,468 and I imagine that most people 720 00:29:54,502 --> 00:29:56,370 wouldn't really want to sit beside you at dinner. 721 00:29:56,404 --> 00:29:57,271 Would they? 722 00:29:59,307 --> 00:30:02,009 - No, they all get up and leave. 723 00:30:02,043 --> 00:30:04,011 When I go into a restaurant, people just get up and leave. 724 00:30:04,045 --> 00:30:05,279 (laughs) 725 00:30:05,313 --> 00:30:08,216 No, people don't respond in any different way. 726 00:30:08,249 --> 00:30:10,251 I tell them I'm a vegetarian. 727 00:30:10,284 --> 00:30:12,920 (audience laughs) 728 00:30:12,954 --> 00:30:14,355 - [Narrator] With an Oscar in his pocket, 729 00:30:14,388 --> 00:30:16,991 Anthony Hopkins becomes one of Hollywood's 730 00:30:17,024 --> 00:30:18,426 highest paid actors. 731 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,696 In 1992, Francis Ford Coppola 732 00:30:21,729 --> 00:30:25,099 offers him the role of the vampire hunter in Dracula, 733 00:30:25,132 --> 00:30:27,635 an adaptation of the Bram Stoker novel. 734 00:30:27,668 --> 00:30:29,637 Scar on his face, crucifix in hand, 735 00:30:29,670 --> 00:30:32,607 Anthony Hopkins is in his element. 736 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,276 (dramatic music) 737 00:30:35,309 --> 00:30:37,979 Alongside Gary Oldman as Count Dracula, 738 00:30:38,012 --> 00:30:40,281 Winona Ryder, and Keanu Reeves, 739 00:30:40,314 --> 00:30:42,283 Anthony Hopkins immerses himself 740 00:30:42,316 --> 00:30:45,553 in the obsessive filming and rehearsals imposed by Coppola, 741 00:30:45,586 --> 00:30:48,356 a man known to push his actors to their limits. 742 00:30:50,458 --> 00:30:53,227 - [Coppola] Let's stop the presses. 743 00:30:53,261 --> 00:30:55,196 - [Hopkins] We don't have to change it. 744 00:30:55,229 --> 00:30:56,163 We don't have to print it out. 745 00:30:56,197 --> 00:30:57,331 - [Coppola] No but we should. 746 00:30:57,365 --> 00:30:58,299 You have all these reasons, 747 00:30:58,332 --> 00:30:59,634 every time we pin it down, 748 00:30:59,667 --> 00:31:02,270 it's another nail out of my coffin. 749 00:31:02,303 --> 00:31:04,105 (laughs) 750 00:31:04,138 --> 00:31:05,439 (gentle music) 751 00:31:05,473 --> 00:31:07,708 - We were up in Napa where we started rehearsing 752 00:31:07,742 --> 00:31:10,278 at his home, this big sound stage. 753 00:31:10,311 --> 00:31:12,313 And he said, "I want us to read 754 00:31:12,346 --> 00:31:15,750 the whole book together, aloud." 755 00:31:15,783 --> 00:31:17,218 It took two days. 756 00:31:17,251 --> 00:31:18,719 And he said, "because I want us to absorb, 757 00:31:18,753 --> 00:31:20,688 all of us, to absorb the book." 758 00:31:20,721 --> 00:31:24,158 It was a marathon to read that book. 759 00:31:24,191 --> 00:31:26,694 I don't have an analytical mind. 760 00:31:26,727 --> 00:31:29,263 I'm not a very bright or intellectual man. 761 00:31:29,297 --> 00:31:34,468 So I have a good instinct. 762 00:31:35,670 --> 00:31:37,338 And my theory, for what it's worth, 763 00:31:37,371 --> 00:31:40,675 is to know the text so well, the script so well, 764 00:31:40,708 --> 00:31:42,677 because the word is powerful. 765 00:31:43,811 --> 00:31:45,379 That's all I have to do. 766 00:31:45,413 --> 00:31:47,181 That's all I'm capable of doing. 767 00:31:47,214 --> 00:31:49,784 I used to have a neurosis about not learning lines 768 00:31:49,817 --> 00:31:51,285 and not being able to remember texts. 769 00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:53,721 One of my actor's nightmares is to show up 770 00:31:53,754 --> 00:31:54,956 and not know the lines. 771 00:31:54,989 --> 00:31:59,460 So maybe I overcompensate, but I find that by learning it, 772 00:31:59,493 --> 00:32:04,298 it gives me a sense of ease and confidence 773 00:32:04,332 --> 00:32:07,134 to walk on the set or the stage of wherever I'm doing, 774 00:32:07,168 --> 00:32:10,404 and know that I know, that I know how to do it. 775 00:32:10,438 --> 00:32:13,641 (dramatic music) 776 00:32:13,674 --> 00:32:16,077 Well, that was a very confined movie to be on 777 00:32:16,110 --> 00:32:18,245 because Francis Ford Coppola, 778 00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:22,516 brilliant director as he is, he's a great controller. 779 00:32:22,550 --> 00:32:23,517 He controls everything. 780 00:32:23,551 --> 00:32:25,419 So you don't get much choice. 781 00:32:25,453 --> 00:32:28,589 And I fought for my choice to make Van Helsing 782 00:32:28,622 --> 00:32:30,124 like an insane madman, 783 00:32:30,157 --> 00:32:33,494 wanted him to be this uproarious rebel, 784 00:32:33,527 --> 00:32:37,098 and seer, and bad man. 785 00:32:37,131 --> 00:32:40,167 I had a scar, he fought a duel and all that stuff. 786 00:32:40,201 --> 00:32:43,738 And so I concocted it myself, I don't know how it came out. 787 00:32:43,771 --> 00:32:47,108 Jesus, God, I command you in the name of Christ! 788 00:32:47,141 --> 00:32:48,376 (screams) 789 00:32:48,409 --> 00:32:52,146 (horses neighing) 790 00:32:52,179 --> 00:32:53,047 No! 791 00:32:54,849 --> 00:32:56,517 No! 792 00:32:56,550 --> 00:32:59,854 And I had to take out some rather (indistinct) 793 00:32:59,887 --> 00:33:02,523 - [Narrator] In 1992, there's a change of scenery 794 00:33:02,556 --> 00:33:06,327 and a decisive encounter in Anthony Hopkins career. 795 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,262 He joins the filming of Howards End, 796 00:33:08,295 --> 00:33:10,765 a period film directed by James Ivory. 797 00:33:12,466 --> 00:33:14,602 This film will mark the beginning of their collaboration, 798 00:33:14,635 --> 00:33:17,371 which will continue with The Remains of the Day, 799 00:33:17,405 --> 00:33:19,073 and Surviving Picasso. 800 00:33:21,675 --> 00:33:22,476 - [Hopkins Voiceover] That's what I like 801 00:33:22,510 --> 00:33:24,845 about working in film. 802 00:33:24,879 --> 00:33:26,647 You just go along with it. 803 00:33:28,783 --> 00:33:31,852 The more relaxed you are, I think the easier it is. 804 00:33:31,886 --> 00:33:35,890 And I like it this way because it's effortless. 805 00:33:35,923 --> 00:33:40,394 I learn the lines very very well, and very methodically. 806 00:33:40,428 --> 00:33:41,762 So that I can improvise, 807 00:33:41,796 --> 00:33:45,833 and make them sound real on each take. 808 00:33:45,866 --> 00:33:46,834 - [Crew Member] Scene 59F, Take 1. 809 00:33:46,867 --> 00:33:51,138 - So I don't have that sweat or that tension, 810 00:33:51,172 --> 00:33:53,574 by not knowing the lines. 811 00:33:53,607 --> 00:33:55,709 My relationship to directors has changed. 812 00:33:55,743 --> 00:33:58,446 I used to fight them, now I don't. 813 00:33:58,479 --> 00:33:59,613 I think that they do the best they can, 814 00:33:59,647 --> 00:34:01,449 and I do the best I can. 815 00:34:02,650 --> 00:34:03,717 We seem to get on fine now, 816 00:34:03,751 --> 00:34:06,253 which is a great new change for me. 817 00:34:06,287 --> 00:34:08,889 My dear Helen, I grieve for your clerk. 818 00:34:08,923 --> 00:34:10,357 I really do. 819 00:34:10,391 --> 00:34:12,259 But it is all part of the battle of life. 820 00:34:12,293 --> 00:34:13,561 - The battle of life? 821 00:34:13,594 --> 00:34:14,895 - Yes. 822 00:34:14,929 --> 00:34:15,930 - [Helen] A man who had little money, has less. 823 00:34:15,963 --> 00:34:17,198 Owing to us. 824 00:34:17,231 --> 00:34:18,199 - Oh come, come. 825 00:34:18,232 --> 00:34:18,866 Anyway, you're not to blame. 826 00:34:18,899 --> 00:34:19,767 No one is to blame. 827 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:20,768 - No one? 828 00:34:20,801 --> 00:34:22,570 Oh is no one to blame for it? 829 00:34:22,603 --> 00:34:24,505 - I didn't say that. 830 00:34:24,538 --> 00:34:26,307 You take things far too seriously. 831 00:34:27,508 --> 00:34:30,311 My dear Helen, I grieve for your clerk. 832 00:34:30,344 --> 00:34:31,579 I really do. 833 00:34:31,612 --> 00:34:33,314 But it is all part of the battle of life. 834 00:34:33,347 --> 00:34:34,648 - The battle of life? 835 00:34:34,682 --> 00:34:35,850 - [Hopkins] Yes. 836 00:34:35,883 --> 00:34:36,617 - A man who had little money, has less. 837 00:34:36,650 --> 00:34:37,651 Owing to us. 838 00:34:37,685 --> 00:34:38,619 - Oh come, come. 839 00:34:38,652 --> 00:34:39,620 You're not to blame. 840 00:34:39,653 --> 00:34:40,488 No one is to blame. 841 00:34:40,521 --> 00:34:41,555 - No one? 842 00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:42,590 Is no one to blame for anything? 843 00:34:42,623 --> 00:34:44,191 - I didn't say that. 844 00:34:44,225 --> 00:34:45,960 You take things far too seriously. 845 00:34:45,993 --> 00:34:47,928 - How did you get a handle on the character 846 00:34:47,962 --> 00:34:49,530 you played in that? 847 00:34:49,563 --> 00:34:50,798 - It was the mustache did it. 848 00:34:50,831 --> 00:34:51,665 - Oh? 849 00:34:51,699 --> 00:34:52,900 - Yeah. 850 00:34:52,933 --> 00:34:55,302 So I went to the makeup room and they said, 851 00:34:55,336 --> 00:34:56,637 "Would you wear a mustache in this?" 852 00:34:56,670 --> 00:34:58,272 I said, "Well, I haven't grown one, no." 853 00:34:58,305 --> 00:35:00,241 She said, "Well, I've got one for you." 854 00:35:00,274 --> 00:35:01,442 I said, "Okay, well let's put it on." 855 00:35:01,475 --> 00:35:03,544 I put it on, and I said, "There's the man." 856 00:35:03,577 --> 00:35:06,247 And it made me feel like my grandfather, 857 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,482 my father's father, he was a strict Victorian. 858 00:35:08,516 --> 00:35:11,452 And I looked in the mirror, and I thought, "That's him." 859 00:35:11,485 --> 00:35:12,586 And it did something to my eyes, 860 00:35:12,620 --> 00:35:13,687 it did something to my face, 861 00:35:13,721 --> 00:35:15,656 it give it a sort of edge. 862 00:35:15,689 --> 00:35:17,458 And it made my eyes stand out. 863 00:35:17,491 --> 00:35:18,959 I thought this man is a ruthless man, 864 00:35:18,993 --> 00:35:20,694 and he's a tough man, 865 00:35:20,728 --> 00:35:22,863 and I could see him in the dark suit. 866 00:35:22,897 --> 00:35:24,899 So I didn't have to do much work on top of that. 867 00:35:24,932 --> 00:35:27,668 There is Henry Wilcox. 868 00:35:27,701 --> 00:35:28,802 (indistinct) Henry. 869 00:35:30,404 --> 00:35:33,407 I call it the mask, and it doesn't even have to be makeup. 870 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,943 It can be a pair of shoes, or it can be a jacket. 871 00:35:35,976 --> 00:35:38,012 And I remember Remains of the Day, 872 00:35:38,045 --> 00:35:41,248 my first day was wearing a rain coat. 873 00:35:41,282 --> 00:35:44,752 Because it was raining, and getting into a car, 874 00:35:44,785 --> 00:35:46,387 and then turning up on the location, 875 00:35:46,420 --> 00:35:48,889 and I looked in the mirror and it was my own grandfather 876 00:35:48,923 --> 00:35:50,958 looking back at me. 877 00:35:50,991 --> 00:35:55,863 He used to wear a coat like that and a green felt hat. 878 00:35:55,896 --> 00:35:57,498 And I looked, and I thought, "That's him," 879 00:35:57,531 --> 00:36:00,601 and I felt everything transform inside me slightly, 880 00:36:00,634 --> 00:36:02,536 and it all came to life. 881 00:36:02,570 --> 00:36:04,838 (dramatic music) 882 00:36:04,872 --> 00:36:07,775 You must take good care of yourself Mrs. Benn. 883 00:36:07,808 --> 00:36:10,377 - You too, Mr. Stevens, promise me that. 884 00:36:10,411 --> 00:36:11,912 - Oh yes, I promise. 885 00:36:11,946 --> 00:36:13,047 You must try to do all you can 886 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,882 to make these years happy ones 887 00:36:14,915 --> 00:36:16,684 for yourself and for your husband. 888 00:36:17,952 --> 00:36:19,720 I don't know why I play those repressed men. 889 00:36:19,753 --> 00:36:21,589 Maybe I am like that, I don't know. 890 00:36:21,622 --> 00:36:22,890 I'm pretty shy. 891 00:36:22,923 --> 00:36:26,327 I'm not very gregarious. 892 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,797 I'm not gregarious at all really, I have very few friends, 893 00:36:29,830 --> 00:36:33,801 but I'm happy in my way. 894 00:36:33,834 --> 00:36:37,004 I like to be on my own a lot. 895 00:36:37,037 --> 00:36:40,541 I'm married, and have a wife, and a few friends, 896 00:36:40,574 --> 00:36:44,945 but I prefer my own company most of the time. 897 00:36:44,979 --> 00:36:48,515 So maybe that's why they cast me in these strange parts. 898 00:36:49,817 --> 00:36:51,919 - [Narrator] Anthony Hopkins and Emma Thompson reunite 899 00:36:51,952 --> 00:36:54,755 in James Ivory's The Remains of the Day, 900 00:36:54,788 --> 00:36:56,457 a year after Howards End. 901 00:36:57,925 --> 00:36:59,893 In this film, they play a butler and a housekeeper 902 00:36:59,927 --> 00:37:02,029 caught in a silent, romantic relationship 903 00:37:02,062 --> 00:37:04,798 subject to the weight of conventions. 904 00:37:04,832 --> 00:37:08,068 Here, Hopkins slips into the skin of the most introverted, 905 00:37:08,102 --> 00:37:11,572 subtle, and almost ghostly character of his career. 906 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,775 - I'm invading your private time. Am I? 907 00:37:14,808 --> 00:37:15,676 - Yes. 908 00:37:17,044 --> 00:37:18,846 - What's in that book? 909 00:37:18,879 --> 00:37:20,848 Come on, let me see. 910 00:37:20,881 --> 00:37:22,750 (ominous music) 911 00:37:22,783 --> 00:37:23,717 Or are you protecting me? 912 00:37:23,751 --> 00:37:25,019 Is that what you're doing? 913 00:37:25,052 --> 00:37:26,787 (mysterious music) 914 00:37:26,820 --> 00:37:27,788 Would I be shocked? 915 00:37:29,023 --> 00:37:30,958 - Anthony Hopkins is the perfect repressed 916 00:37:30,991 --> 00:37:33,494 English gentleman, because he has all the niceties 917 00:37:33,527 --> 00:37:34,461 on the outside, you know? 918 00:37:34,495 --> 00:37:35,696 He knows how to be presentable, 919 00:37:35,729 --> 00:37:40,401 and how to bring tea properly, 920 00:37:40,434 --> 00:37:42,636 and yet you never feel a coldness. 921 00:37:42,670 --> 00:37:44,038 You always feel that underneath, 922 00:37:44,071 --> 00:37:47,441 there's this terrifically warm, big, beautiful heart 923 00:37:47,474 --> 00:37:49,510 that yearns to come out. 924 00:37:49,543 --> 00:37:51,779 And that's when those movies really work, 925 00:37:51,812 --> 00:37:55,382 when those very sort of prissy English characters 926 00:37:55,416 --> 00:37:56,817 aren't just what they are on the outside, 927 00:37:56,850 --> 00:37:58,652 but that you can intuit 928 00:37:58,686 --> 00:38:00,587 that inside is somebody who's really yearning 929 00:38:00,621 --> 00:38:03,624 to get beyond this Victorian repression. 930 00:38:04,692 --> 00:38:05,859 - I read these books. 931 00:38:06,860 --> 00:38:09,963 Any books to develop my command 932 00:38:09,997 --> 00:38:11,965 and knowledge of the English language. 933 00:38:13,167 --> 00:38:16,570 I read to further my education, Miss Kenton. 934 00:38:16,603 --> 00:38:19,640 (dramatic music) 935 00:38:19,673 --> 00:38:22,076 - But there were a few things you do in Howards End, 936 00:38:22,109 --> 00:38:23,777 which struck me as being not only brilliant, 937 00:38:23,811 --> 00:38:25,512 and very moving, 938 00:38:25,546 --> 00:38:26,613 but also, I can't imagine they were in the script. 939 00:38:26,647 --> 00:38:29,416 In particular, the character you play, Mr. Wilcox. 940 00:38:29,450 --> 00:38:30,584 - Yeah. 941 00:38:30,617 --> 00:38:33,087 - There are two events in the movie when he's talking 942 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,822 about something shameful in his past, 943 00:38:34,855 --> 00:38:39,059 and both times he does not wish to be looked upon. 944 00:38:39,093 --> 00:38:40,828 He doesn't want to make eye contact with his wife. 945 00:38:40,861 --> 00:38:42,663 He kind of hides his face away. 946 00:38:42,696 --> 00:38:43,630 Do you remember those ones? 947 00:38:43,664 --> 00:38:44,498 - Oh, I did that. 948 00:38:44,531 --> 00:38:45,566 - Yeah. 949 00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:49,103 - So you were that woman's lover? 950 00:38:50,704 --> 00:38:53,540 - To put it with your usual delicacy, yes, I was. 951 00:38:53,574 --> 00:38:54,441 - When? 952 00:38:55,676 --> 00:38:56,643 When, please? 953 00:38:56,677 --> 00:38:57,678 - 10 years ago! 954 00:38:58,779 --> 00:39:00,214 (heavy sigh) 955 00:39:00,247 --> 00:39:01,682 I'm sorry, 10 years ago. 956 00:39:03,117 --> 00:39:05,185 I don't know, maybe I'd seen it in a movie somewhere. 957 00:39:05,219 --> 00:39:08,188 I think Charles Laughton did it in Hunchback of Notre Dame 958 00:39:08,222 --> 00:39:09,456 or something, he hid his face. 959 00:39:09,490 --> 00:39:10,457 It may have been... 960 00:39:10,491 --> 00:39:12,025 Yeah, I think it was that. 961 00:39:12,059 --> 00:39:12,993 Maybe I stole it. 962 00:39:13,026 --> 00:39:15,062 It's a good piece to steal. 963 00:39:15,095 --> 00:39:16,497 (interviewer laughs) 964 00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:18,732 He's, "How ugly I am," and he put his... 965 00:39:19,666 --> 00:39:20,968 I think I stole that. 966 00:39:21,001 --> 00:39:22,202 - [Interviewer] It's a wonderful moment, 967 00:39:22,236 --> 00:39:23,971 and it really breaks through as well because- 968 00:39:24,004 --> 00:39:25,773 - [Hopkins] Oh, and then he breaks down doesn't he, 969 00:39:25,806 --> 00:39:27,007 at the end? 970 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,008 - [Interviewer] At the end he does, yeah. 971 00:39:28,041 --> 00:39:29,143 - [Hopkins] He couldn't bear to be seen crying. 972 00:39:29,176 --> 00:39:30,177 Yes, showing of emotion. 973 00:39:30,210 --> 00:39:31,211 (crying) 974 00:39:31,245 --> 00:39:32,579 I'm sorry. 975 00:39:32,613 --> 00:39:34,214 I think that's why I have a lot in common 976 00:39:34,248 --> 00:39:35,616 with these characters. 977 00:39:35,649 --> 00:39:38,051 I don't like bearing emotion much. 978 00:39:38,085 --> 00:39:40,988 Maybe it's a British thing, maybe it's a male thing. 979 00:39:41,021 --> 00:39:42,256 But I don't like it. 980 00:39:42,289 --> 00:39:45,259 I don't like displays of tears and, you know. 981 00:39:45,292 --> 00:39:48,595 (upbeat jazz music) 982 00:39:53,233 --> 00:39:54,635 - But I don't feel like an actor. 983 00:39:54,668 --> 00:39:56,837 I don't know what the hell an actor is. 984 00:39:56,870 --> 00:40:00,607 I feel like I'm a member of the circus most of the time. 985 00:40:00,641 --> 00:40:01,842 You travel around the world. 986 00:40:01,875 --> 00:40:03,777 You travel around, you arrive in cities, 987 00:40:03,811 --> 00:40:07,881 and arrive on locations, do the job and then go home. 988 00:40:07,915 --> 00:40:13,086 As I get older, I just feel that's all I do is a job. 989 00:40:16,190 --> 00:40:17,591 It's nothing more, nothing less. 990 00:40:17,624 --> 00:40:20,227 It happens to be well-paid and it's public. 991 00:40:21,595 --> 00:40:23,597 And I have my father's attitude. 992 00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:25,732 It's like my father is inside me now. 993 00:40:25,766 --> 00:40:28,836 The more I see photographs of myself sometimes, 994 00:40:28,869 --> 00:40:30,904 and I look just like my father. 995 00:40:30,938 --> 00:40:34,541 And he's alive and well in me, I think. 996 00:40:34,575 --> 00:40:37,678 I have his attitudes, his values, and all the rest of it. 997 00:40:38,979 --> 00:40:40,180 He had a tough life 998 00:40:40,214 --> 00:40:42,950 and I've had a very easy life, comparatively. 999 00:40:42,983 --> 00:40:45,252 Actually, I have a very easy life, period. 1000 00:40:45,285 --> 00:40:47,654 I'm just one of those very fortunate ones. 1001 00:40:47,688 --> 00:40:48,989 (car engine roaring) 1002 00:40:49,022 --> 00:40:52,826 (slow jazz music) 1003 00:40:52,860 --> 00:40:54,995 I tend to be very unpredictable and moody. 1004 00:40:56,797 --> 00:40:59,733 See, I go into a situation and say, "Oh hi there. Mm-hmm." 1005 00:40:59,766 --> 00:41:01,101 You know, I want to be liked. 1006 00:41:01,134 --> 00:41:04,238 So I go into a movie set or to a new play, 1007 00:41:04,271 --> 00:41:07,674 whatever, and I'm Mr. Friendly, Mr. Nice guy 1008 00:41:07,708 --> 00:41:09,209 because I want to be liked. 1009 00:41:09,243 --> 00:41:11,812 I want to be pleasant to everyone. 1010 00:41:11,845 --> 00:41:13,780 And then suddenly somebody steps on my toes, 1011 00:41:13,814 --> 00:41:16,049 and I go off like a firecracker. 1012 00:41:16,083 --> 00:41:18,585 - Got to see him on a couple of cranky days, 1013 00:41:18,619 --> 00:41:21,755 when Sir Tony would turn cranky 1014 00:41:21,788 --> 00:41:24,091 and that was good fun, very entertaining. 1015 00:41:24,124 --> 00:41:27,127 And I'm telling you when Tony's cranky, 1016 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,095 the Red Sea parts. 1017 00:41:29,897 --> 00:41:33,367 In fact, forget Moses, if I was casting God, 1018 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,602 I would cast Sir Tony. 1019 00:41:35,636 --> 00:41:38,071 Sir Anthony Hopkins, because he has a force. 1020 00:41:39,873 --> 00:41:41,341 (dramatic music) 1021 00:41:41,375 --> 00:41:42,843 - [Hopkins Voiceover] It's a romantic fantasy 1022 00:41:42,876 --> 00:41:47,014 I have of the loner, the lone wolf who... 1023 00:41:47,047 --> 00:41:51,818 the lone person who doesn't need any affection. 1024 00:41:51,852 --> 00:41:52,986 That's part of my life, actually. 1025 00:41:53,020 --> 00:41:56,156 I think I can do very well without affection and love. 1026 00:41:57,991 --> 00:42:01,328 It doesn't bode well for a good life, a full life, 1027 00:42:01,361 --> 00:42:03,764 but I am capable of withdrawing from people 1028 00:42:03,797 --> 00:42:05,332 and closing myself off. 1029 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,102 Maybe it's a form of martyrdom. 1030 00:42:09,136 --> 00:42:12,039 (gentle music) 1031 00:42:12,072 --> 00:42:14,141 I used to turn savagely on people. 1032 00:42:14,174 --> 00:42:16,276 I'd get rid of people, get rid of friends 1033 00:42:16,310 --> 00:42:18,045 and they'd wonder what had happened. 1034 00:42:18,078 --> 00:42:20,681 And then recently, over the last year, I guess, 1035 00:42:21,882 --> 00:42:23,951 something changed in me, 1036 00:42:23,984 --> 00:42:26,053 and I thought life's too short to do all this. 1037 00:42:26,086 --> 00:42:27,387 I have a few friends, 1038 00:42:27,421 --> 00:42:29,723 and I'm very lucky to have them in my life. 1039 00:42:30,457 --> 00:42:31,625 Really lucky. 1040 00:42:31,658 --> 00:42:35,295 Because they see me walking straight into the jaws of hell, 1041 00:42:35,329 --> 00:42:36,296 because I am naive. 1042 00:42:36,330 --> 00:42:38,131 I am easily taken in by people, 1043 00:42:38,165 --> 00:42:41,134 and that's my main fault, I guess. 1044 00:42:41,168 --> 00:42:44,972 My main defect is that I'm very naive. 1045 00:42:46,406 --> 00:42:49,676 I'm told that I have a nature which is complex. 1046 00:42:49,710 --> 00:42:52,746 I don't feel complex actually, I feel quite a simpleton. 1047 00:42:53,447 --> 00:42:56,350 (soft piano music) 1048 00:42:56,383 --> 00:42:57,985 - [Narrator] Anthony Hopkins grew up thinking 1049 00:42:58,018 --> 00:42:59,820 he wasn't worth much. 1050 00:42:59,853 --> 00:43:03,123 A withdrawn child without any particular talent. 1051 00:43:03,156 --> 00:43:06,326 In Port Talbot, Wales, people called him, "Dumbo". 1052 00:43:08,028 --> 00:43:10,397 Although he never intended to get revenge, 1053 00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:12,699 he manages to find a place in a Hollywood 1054 00:43:12,733 --> 00:43:15,335 that likes to pigeonhole its actors. 1055 00:43:15,369 --> 00:43:17,337 He draws his strength and talent 1056 00:43:17,371 --> 00:43:19,439 from not fitting into any mold. 1057 00:43:19,473 --> 00:43:22,709 (soft piano music) 1058 00:43:25,145 --> 00:43:27,214 He proves it again, when Oliver Stone, 1059 00:43:27,247 --> 00:43:29,983 against all expectations chooses him, 1060 00:43:30,017 --> 00:43:32,285 the most English actor in Hollywood 1061 00:43:32,319 --> 00:43:35,288 to play the typical American by changing again. 1062 00:43:35,322 --> 00:43:37,991 But this time, in the role of President Nixon. 1063 00:43:38,025 --> 00:43:40,927 (ominous music) 1064 00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:44,364 - He was scared shitless 1065 00:43:46,233 --> 00:43:48,168 because, "How can I be Nixon? 1066 00:43:48,201 --> 00:43:50,504 They're going to see me as a fraud." 1067 00:43:50,537 --> 00:43:52,906 You're Welsh, you're not English. 1068 00:43:52,939 --> 00:43:54,241 You're Welsh, there's a big difference. 1069 00:43:54,274 --> 00:43:55,509 And I said, "You're halfway there already. 1070 00:43:55,542 --> 00:43:56,943 You're in the Atlantic anyway. 1071 00:43:56,977 --> 00:43:59,046 You're not far." 1072 00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:00,914 I said, "There's something in your spirit, 1073 00:44:00,947 --> 00:44:03,083 which is obstinate, stubborn, 1074 00:44:03,116 --> 00:44:06,353 and yet has a great misunderstood quality." 1075 00:44:06,386 --> 00:44:08,855 - I've got to keep fighting, Buddy, for the country. 1076 00:44:08,889 --> 00:44:12,259 These people running things, the elite. 1077 00:44:12,292 --> 00:44:14,928 They're just soft chicken-shit faggots. 1078 00:44:16,863 --> 00:44:18,865 They don't have the long-term vision anymore. 1079 00:44:18,899 --> 00:44:21,301 They just want to cover their ass, and meet girls, 1080 00:44:21,334 --> 00:44:23,470 and tear each other down. 1081 00:44:23,503 --> 00:44:27,874 Oh God, this country's in deep, deep, deep trouble, Buddy. 1082 00:44:27,908 --> 00:44:29,342 Got into the psychology of the man. 1083 00:44:29,376 --> 00:44:30,510 I understood his paranoia. 1084 00:44:30,544 --> 00:44:35,115 I understood his loneliness, his terrors, 1085 00:44:35,148 --> 00:44:40,187 his bleakness of life, and the lies he told. 1086 00:44:40,220 --> 00:44:44,424 He was caught in a morass of such lies. 1087 00:44:45,926 --> 00:44:49,796 And I felt sorry for him because he was always the outsider. 1088 00:44:49,830 --> 00:44:53,333 (dramatic orchestra music) 1089 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,777 When they look at you, they see what they want to be. 1090 00:45:07,314 --> 00:45:11,184 When they look at me, they see what they are. 1091 00:45:14,921 --> 00:45:17,290 Well I had no illusions I was going to be Cary Grant 1092 00:45:17,324 --> 00:45:19,226 or Robert Redford. 1093 00:45:19,259 --> 00:45:21,895 And any moment that they tried to do something like that 1094 00:45:21,928 --> 00:45:24,498 or someone said, "This is a..." 1095 00:45:24,531 --> 00:45:26,233 That sort of part to give me, 1096 00:45:26,266 --> 00:45:31,371 I knew I was what they would call a "character actor." 1097 00:45:35,041 --> 00:45:36,309 Bly, I was always very chunky. 1098 00:45:36,343 --> 00:45:37,444 I'm not a leading man actor. 1099 00:45:37,477 --> 00:45:43,016 I'm not Brad Pitt, or Robert Redford, or Tom Cruise. 1100 00:45:43,917 --> 00:45:44,818 Those are leading movie stars. 1101 00:45:44,851 --> 00:45:47,354 I'm not a movie star, I'm a movie actor. 1102 00:45:49,189 --> 00:45:52,025 - [Narrator] And it's in Meet Joe Black in 1998, 1103 00:45:52,058 --> 00:45:54,561 that the actor completely changes his register. 1104 00:45:54,594 --> 00:45:56,997 Playing a billionaire at the end of his life, 1105 00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:59,466 opposite Brad Pitt, who incarnates death 1106 00:45:59,499 --> 00:46:02,035 coming to take him on his last trip. 1107 00:46:03,637 --> 00:46:05,071 - The question. 1108 00:46:05,105 --> 00:46:08,041 (ominous music) 1109 00:46:11,077 --> 00:46:12,579 - Am I going to die? 1110 00:46:12,612 --> 00:46:15,382 (ominous music) 1111 00:46:16,316 --> 00:46:19,419 (footsteps walking) 1112 00:46:23,590 --> 00:46:24,624 - Yes. 1113 00:46:25,759 --> 00:46:28,295 - [Narrator] This is the second time that the two actors 1114 00:46:28,328 --> 00:46:31,965 meet on a movie set, four years after starring together 1115 00:46:31,998 --> 00:46:33,200 in Legends of the Fall. 1116 00:46:34,668 --> 00:46:37,237 There isn't an actor on one side and a star on the other, 1117 00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:41,074 but rather two generations that mirror each other. 1118 00:46:41,107 --> 00:46:42,542 Their duo makes this film, 1119 00:46:42,576 --> 00:46:45,145 which is often underestimated by critics, 1120 00:46:45,178 --> 00:46:48,281 an astonishing allegory on life and death. 1121 00:46:48,315 --> 00:46:51,451 (upbeat piano music) 1122 00:46:51,484 --> 00:46:52,452 - Who am I? 1123 00:47:04,364 --> 00:47:05,232 - Death. 1124 00:47:06,466 --> 00:47:08,702 - How would I want to be remembered? 1125 00:47:08,735 --> 00:47:11,071 I certainly don't want any longer to be remembered 1126 00:47:11,104 --> 00:47:13,006 as that nice guy, you know? 1127 00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:14,975 The guy who does the Tommy Cooper jokes anymore. 1128 00:47:15,008 --> 00:47:16,643 I don't want to be that anymore. 1129 00:47:17,711 --> 00:47:20,046 I don't really give a damn. 1130 00:47:25,986 --> 00:47:29,356 (upbeat classical music) 1131 00:47:32,692 --> 00:47:34,094 Should I be afraid? 1132 00:47:36,596 --> 00:47:37,664 - Not a man like you. 1133 00:47:38,732 --> 00:47:41,434 (upbeat music) 1134 00:47:47,741 --> 00:47:49,209 - [Crew Member] We should bring in a better light. 1135 00:47:49,242 --> 00:47:51,478 - [Narrator] In 2001, he returns to the cell 1136 00:47:51,511 --> 00:47:53,446 that made him an icon. 1137 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,116 10 years after The Silence of The Lambs, 1138 00:47:56,149 --> 00:47:59,386 Anthony Hopkins puts on the Hannibal Lecter mask again, 1139 00:47:59,419 --> 00:48:02,122 and plays in the two other films in the trilogy, 1140 00:48:02,155 --> 00:48:04,124 Hannibal and Red Dragon. 1141 00:48:06,059 --> 00:48:10,163 - I did have some misgivings about doing this third one 1142 00:48:10,196 --> 00:48:12,666 because I thought, "Well I've done it now. 1143 00:48:12,699 --> 00:48:14,134 So I can't get any more mileage out of it," 1144 00:48:14,167 --> 00:48:17,304 because it becomes boring and tedious. 1145 00:48:17,337 --> 00:48:21,474 And I thought, "Well, it wouldn't harm to do one more," 1146 00:48:21,508 --> 00:48:24,744 as long as I'm more of a background figure, I think. 1147 00:48:24,778 --> 00:48:26,346 More of a shadowy figure. 1148 00:48:27,781 --> 00:48:30,317 I can't go on hitting the bullseye all the time. 1149 00:48:30,350 --> 00:48:32,152 You're going to make some bad films, 1150 00:48:32,185 --> 00:48:34,487 and I made a number of bad films. 1151 00:48:34,521 --> 00:48:39,526 I made probably on one hand, maybe four good films. 1152 00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:41,428 Most of the ones have been mediocre. 1153 00:48:43,396 --> 00:48:45,398 (camera clicking) 1154 00:48:45,432 --> 00:48:48,201 I am a terrible liar, you see, I'll tell my agent, 1155 00:48:48,234 --> 00:48:49,569 "Yeah, I've read the script." 1156 00:48:49,602 --> 00:48:51,805 And then I wake up after they've committed me 1157 00:48:51,838 --> 00:48:53,406 and I say, "God almighty." 1158 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,241 I did that recently on the thing called Bad Company. 1159 00:48:55,275 --> 00:48:57,177 I thought, "What the hell have I done this for?" 1160 00:48:57,210 --> 00:48:59,179 But I tend to do that because I'm stupid, 1161 00:48:59,212 --> 00:49:00,814 or greedy, or impatient. 1162 00:49:00,847 --> 00:49:02,282 And I think if I don't say, "Yes," 1163 00:49:02,315 --> 00:49:03,583 they'll give it to somebody else. 1164 00:49:03,616 --> 00:49:04,451 (laughs) 1165 00:49:04,484 --> 00:49:06,086 Those are my motives. 1166 00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:08,421 That's what a refined actor I am, 1167 00:49:08,455 --> 00:49:10,390 how I've planned my career. 1168 00:49:10,423 --> 00:49:12,625 - [Narrator] Anthony Hopkins spends the 2000s 1169 00:49:12,659 --> 00:49:14,194 moving from set to set. 1170 00:49:14,227 --> 00:49:16,262 He has a series of blockbusters, 1171 00:49:16,296 --> 00:49:18,565 such as Thor and Transformers, 1172 00:49:18,598 --> 00:49:20,600 but he returns to what he does best 1173 00:49:20,633 --> 00:49:22,302 in the biopic Hitchcock, 1174 00:49:22,335 --> 00:49:25,305 in which he brings the famous English suspense genius, 1175 00:49:25,338 --> 00:49:27,707 Sir Alfred Hitchcock to life. 1176 00:49:27,741 --> 00:49:30,477 The film highlights the influence of his wife, Alma, 1177 00:49:30,510 --> 00:49:33,146 played by Helen Mirren, on the master's work. 1178 00:49:34,114 --> 00:49:36,516 - Just think of the shock value. 1179 00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:40,286 Killing off your leading lady halfway through. 1180 00:49:41,788 --> 00:49:45,325 I mean you are intrigued, are you not my dear? 1181 00:49:47,293 --> 00:49:49,496 Come on, admit it. 1182 00:49:49,529 --> 00:49:50,397 Admit it. 1183 00:49:51,598 --> 00:49:53,700 - Actually I think it's a huge mistake. 1184 00:49:53,733 --> 00:49:56,603 (dramatic music) 1185 00:49:58,204 --> 00:49:59,639 You shouldn't wait until halfway through, 1186 00:49:59,672 --> 00:50:01,775 kill her off after 30 minutes. 1187 00:50:01,808 --> 00:50:04,177 (crunching food) 1188 00:50:04,210 --> 00:50:05,078 - Well. 1189 00:50:07,347 --> 00:50:09,849 - [Narrator] Fortunately, Hitchcock listened to his wife 1190 00:50:09,883 --> 00:50:13,219 and killed his heroin after more than 30 minutes. 1191 00:50:13,253 --> 00:50:16,689 Today, the shower scene is recognized as a classic. 1192 00:50:16,723 --> 00:50:17,857 - More, more! 1193 00:50:18,858 --> 00:50:19,826 - No. 1194 00:50:19,859 --> 00:50:20,693 - Use some guts! 1195 00:50:20,727 --> 00:50:21,561 (screaming) 1196 00:50:21,594 --> 00:50:22,595 - C'mon! 1197 00:50:22,629 --> 00:50:23,596 - Ow, ow. 1198 00:50:23,630 --> 00:50:25,365 - No, more anger! 1199 00:50:25,398 --> 00:50:26,699 - Ow. 1200 00:50:26,733 --> 00:50:27,967 - All right, cut, cut, cut! 1201 00:50:28,001 --> 00:50:32,539 For god's sake, would someone get me a proper stunt double? 1202 00:50:33,406 --> 00:50:34,507 Now give me the knife. 1203 00:50:34,541 --> 00:50:36,176 Like this! 1204 00:50:36,209 --> 00:50:37,911 (screams) 1205 00:50:37,944 --> 00:50:39,446 Ungovernable rage! 1206 00:50:39,479 --> 00:50:41,714 (screams) 1207 00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:44,818 Homicidal violence! 1208 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,154 - You've never really done anything 1209 00:50:48,188 --> 00:50:49,923 as good as Psycho, have you? 1210 00:50:49,956 --> 00:50:51,291 - Psycho? 1211 00:50:51,324 --> 00:50:52,258 (laughs) 1212 00:50:52,292 --> 00:50:53,526 Should I tell you that story? 1213 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,161 Yeah, somebody asked me for my autograph once, 1214 00:50:55,195 --> 00:50:57,263 and I went up and signed this autograph 1215 00:50:57,297 --> 00:50:58,598 and she said, "You don't look anything 1216 00:50:58,631 --> 00:51:00,200 like you did in Psycho." 1217 00:51:00,233 --> 00:51:01,601 - Is it in just the name, Hopkins, Perkins? 1218 00:51:01,634 --> 00:51:03,703 - Hopkins, Perkins, I think they get... 1219 00:51:04,871 --> 00:51:08,274 I promise you, I was down in Bristol. 1220 00:51:08,308 --> 00:51:10,577 I was filming with Lesley Ann Down. 1221 00:51:10,610 --> 00:51:14,781 The assistant director said, "The station master's wife 1222 00:51:14,814 --> 00:51:15,748 would love to see you. 1223 00:51:15,782 --> 00:51:16,850 She's a great fan of yours." 1224 00:51:16,883 --> 00:51:18,551 I said, "Oh, show me the way." 1225 00:51:18,585 --> 00:51:20,920 So, we went in and I thought, "Well, where is she?" 1226 00:51:20,954 --> 00:51:23,189 And she said, "Oh, you don't look 1227 00:51:23,223 --> 00:51:25,358 anything like you did in Psycho." 1228 00:51:25,391 --> 00:51:26,593 (audience laughs) 1229 00:51:26,626 --> 00:51:27,827 So, I ripped her curtains off 1230 00:51:27,861 --> 00:51:29,829 and stabbed her with my biro. 1231 00:51:29,863 --> 00:51:31,231 (audience laughs) 1232 00:51:31,264 --> 00:51:32,432 - You signed the name Anthony Perkins. 1233 00:51:32,465 --> 00:51:33,333 - That's right. 1234 00:51:33,366 --> 00:51:34,300 (audience laughs) 1235 00:51:34,334 --> 00:51:37,170 (dramatic music) 1236 00:51:41,674 --> 00:51:45,912 - So anyone who says "It's lonely at the top," 1237 00:51:45,945 --> 00:51:49,182 either needs a good psychiatrist or a kick in the ass. 1238 00:51:50,450 --> 00:51:51,718 It's nice being successful. 1239 00:51:51,751 --> 00:51:53,253 It's good. 1240 00:51:53,286 --> 00:51:54,687 It's very, very good. 1241 00:51:54,721 --> 00:51:56,589 Fucking good, yeah. 1242 00:51:57,690 --> 00:51:59,526 I enjoy it. 1243 00:51:59,559 --> 00:52:00,527 I have a good life. 1244 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,730 I have a lot of fun, no regrets, no complaints. 1245 00:52:03,763 --> 00:52:05,865 If it all ended tomorrow, so be it. 1246 00:52:05,899 --> 00:52:08,568 I've had a good time. 1247 00:52:08,601 --> 00:52:11,571 (dramatic music) 1248 00:52:11,604 --> 00:52:13,873 I was very surprised by the knighthood. 1249 00:52:13,907 --> 00:52:15,808 Very, very surprised, very honored. 1250 00:52:15,842 --> 00:52:17,310 I didn't know what had... 1251 00:52:18,545 --> 00:52:20,647 My wife phoned me up while I was down in Bath, 1252 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:21,814 doing Remains of the Day. 1253 00:52:21,848 --> 00:52:24,651 She phoned me, she said, "You've been given a knighthood." 1254 00:52:24,684 --> 00:52:25,618 I said, "What for?" 1255 00:52:25,652 --> 00:52:26,886 She said, "I don't know." 1256 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,254 And I said, I didn't know. 1257 00:52:28,288 --> 00:52:29,722 I was quite speechless for many days. 1258 00:52:29,756 --> 00:52:31,024 Of course, I was sworn to secrecy. 1259 00:52:31,057 --> 00:52:32,825 You're not supposed to tell anyone. 1260 00:52:32,859 --> 00:52:34,394 But it was, I mean, it's a great honor 1261 00:52:34,427 --> 00:52:39,532 and I try to wear it as comfortably as I can. 1262 00:52:40,934 --> 00:52:43,469 If people call me Mr. Hopkins instead of Sir Anthony, 1263 00:52:43,503 --> 00:52:45,538 I don't have a conniption fit. 1264 00:52:45,572 --> 00:52:47,307 I'm very happy with what everyone, 1265 00:52:47,340 --> 00:52:48,841 In America, they say "Sir Hopkins." 1266 00:52:48,875 --> 00:52:50,543 Oh, I say, "Just call me Tony," 1267 00:52:50,577 --> 00:52:52,478 because they get it all wrong there. 1268 00:52:52,512 --> 00:52:56,783 But it's very, very, very nice. 1269 00:52:56,816 --> 00:52:59,986 (somber piano music) 1270 00:53:04,424 --> 00:53:06,593 - I've been asked to write a biography, an autobiography, 1271 00:53:06,626 --> 00:53:07,961 and I haven't a clue, and I keep doing it, 1272 00:53:07,994 --> 00:53:10,430 and I keep deleting it all from the computer. 1273 00:53:10,463 --> 00:53:11,598 Because I look at it, 1274 00:53:11,631 --> 00:53:13,032 and I thought, "What am I writing all this stuff for?" 1275 00:53:13,066 --> 00:53:14,767 Because I don't want to go back to the past. 1276 00:53:14,801 --> 00:53:16,502 I don't want to go back and examine my childhood. 1277 00:53:16,536 --> 00:53:17,870 I had a perfectly fine childhood. 1278 00:53:17,904 --> 00:53:21,941 I had a confused school career, but that was all, 1279 00:53:21,975 --> 00:53:25,678 I mean nothing really untoward has happened to me. 1280 00:53:25,712 --> 00:53:27,547 I drank a bit too much, stopped doing that, 1281 00:53:27,580 --> 00:53:31,784 and then my life really started to take flower then. 1282 00:53:31,818 --> 00:53:32,919 I get out in the morning, out of bed, 1283 00:53:32,952 --> 00:53:34,621 and you know, I'm getting old. 1284 00:53:34,654 --> 00:53:38,925 And as I get out of bed, "Oh, dear God, right move!" 1285 00:53:38,958 --> 00:53:42,061 I get up, and I think, "Right. I'm alive. 1286 00:53:42,095 --> 00:53:45,665 Life's in Session. It's not a rehearsal. Move," 1287 00:53:45,698 --> 00:53:47,433 and that's what I do. 1288 00:53:47,467 --> 00:53:50,637 (somber piano music) 1289 00:53:55,808 --> 00:53:57,644 And now I can make some bad films, 1290 00:53:57,677 --> 00:53:59,345 and it doesn't matter anymore. 1291 00:53:59,379 --> 00:54:00,580 I don't have to prove it. 1292 00:54:00,613 --> 00:54:01,547 It's like all those little doubts 1293 00:54:01,581 --> 00:54:04,450 that started way back when I was a child. 1294 00:54:05,685 --> 00:54:07,053 It's like a voice inside me says, 1295 00:54:07,086 --> 00:54:10,456 "See you weren't that dumb. You were just different." 1296 00:54:12,158 --> 00:54:16,496 (audience laughs and applauds) 1297 00:54:17,697 --> 00:54:20,566 (upbeat music)