1 00:00:07,667 --> 00:00:09,634 [screams] 2 00:00:14,100 --> 00:00:15,233 [screams] 3 00:00:16,166 --> 00:00:17,567 [laughs] 4 00:00:17,567 --> 00:00:19,033 [screams] 5 00:00:21,667 --> 00:00:24,033 [cackles] 6 00:00:26,700 --> 00:00:28,233 [growls] 7 00:00:30,166 --> 00:00:33,066 [screams] 8 00:00:42,367 --> 00:00:45,100 As a researcher and collector of haunted artifacts, 9 00:00:45,100 --> 00:00:50,066 I have encountered all different kinds of vintage automatons, 10 00:00:50,066 --> 00:00:52,767 dolls, puppets, 11 00:00:52,767 --> 00:00:59,433 but none more dark and powerful that this pair of antique marionettes. 12 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,967 During an investigation in California, 13 00:01:03,967 --> 00:01:07,467 I was invited to a very prim and proper shop 14 00:01:07,467 --> 00:01:09,567 specializing in vintage dolls. 15 00:01:09,567 --> 00:01:11,266 Definitely not the kind of place 16 00:01:11,266 --> 00:01:15,367 you would expect to find evil lurking behind a mask. 17 00:01:15,367 --> 00:01:21,266 But a very malevolent force had taken root in this doll shop, 18 00:01:21,266 --> 00:01:25,166 and it was spreading fear among the people who were working there. 19 00:01:25,166 --> 00:01:31,000 The owner of this shop told me he was pushed down a flight of stairs 20 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,767 and after he was thrown down the stairs, 21 00:01:33,834 --> 00:01:38,166 his body was lifted up as he was in pain on the floor 22 00:01:38,166 --> 00:01:41,734 and carried and placed into the center of a different room. 23 00:01:42,667 --> 00:01:44,266 There was another staff member 24 00:01:44,333 --> 00:01:49,867 that told us that something was trying to push over a dresser on top of her, 25 00:01:49,867 --> 00:01:55,000 and that something was trying to seriously hurt or even kill these people. 26 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,166 Now, they were sure that the darkness that pervaded the building 27 00:01:59,166 --> 00:02:02,533 originated from these wooden marionettes. 28 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:08,467 I don't know if it's because they were used in puppet shows 29 00:02:08,533 --> 00:02:10,667 and they were the villains in the puppet shows. 30 00:02:10,667 --> 00:02:15,367 Within that, what was the experience that that puppet had? 31 00:02:15,367 --> 00:02:17,967 -[man] Are you ... me right now? -[Zak] Are these the puppets? 32 00:02:18,033 --> 00:02:22,367 And when I offered to take them back to my museum to study them, 33 00:02:22,433 --> 00:02:24,333 they were very happy to see them go. 34 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,867 Uh, the first time that I physically touched these puppets, 35 00:02:29,867 --> 00:02:31,667 I knew immediately 36 00:02:31,667 --> 00:02:35,367 that they were not just inanimate blocks of carved wood. 37 00:02:35,433 --> 00:02:39,166 They contain a very bad, very dark energy, 38 00:02:39,166 --> 00:02:43,367 and people who make the mistake of looking into their eyes 39 00:02:43,433 --> 00:02:47,166 often say they feel physically ill. 40 00:02:47,166 --> 00:02:51,367 Now, I consulted a psychic who knew nothing of these reported effects, 41 00:02:51,433 --> 00:02:53,367 and she gave me a dire warning. 42 00:02:53,433 --> 00:02:56,033 "Do not look at them directly in the eyes." 43 00:02:56,900 --> 00:03:00,934 That is how they draw energy from their victims. 44 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,066 And because these puppets date back to the 19th century, 45 00:03:06,133 --> 00:03:09,567 it made me wonder how many people have been affected 46 00:03:09,567 --> 00:03:11,667 by their dark energy over the years. 47 00:03:11,667 --> 00:03:16,367 And what would happen if they were to truly gain a life of their own? 48 00:03:16,367 --> 00:03:20,934 Now, these thoughts inspired the film you are about to see. 49 00:04:09,900 --> 00:04:12,166 Tomato soup again. 50 00:04:12,900 --> 00:04:15,367 I demand to speak to the chef. 51 00:04:15,433 --> 00:04:17,166 Come on, Grandpa. It's time to eat. 52 00:04:17,233 --> 00:04:18,667 [coughs] 53 00:04:19,767 --> 00:04:21,166 [groans] 54 00:04:22,667 --> 00:04:24,266 How are you feeling today, Grandpa? 55 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:27,433 I've had better days. 56 00:04:29,467 --> 00:04:30,934 Go on, show me your stuff. 57 00:04:56,667 --> 00:04:58,433 Very good, my boy. 58 00:05:01,100 --> 00:05:03,233 You're getting better every day. 59 00:05:04,300 --> 00:05:06,333 Well, I learned everything from you, Grandpa. 60 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,166 How's school? 61 00:05:11,166 --> 00:05:12,767 Fine. 62 00:05:12,767 --> 00:05:15,867 And that boy, Donny? 63 00:05:15,867 --> 00:05:17,533 -Derek. -Derek, Derek. 64 00:05:18,166 --> 00:05:19,533 Is he still bothering you? 65 00:05:25,166 --> 00:05:26,667 Listen, Arthur. 66 00:05:26,667 --> 00:05:28,533 You've got to fight back. 67 00:05:29,467 --> 00:05:31,233 You've got to fight your own battles. 68 00:05:33,700 --> 00:05:36,266 I hope that's what your mother and father 69 00:05:36,266 --> 00:05:38,467 would say to you if they were here. 70 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,367 [machine beeping] 71 00:07:25,066 --> 00:07:27,367 Ladies and gentlemen. 72 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,567 The most famous puppeteer alive, 73 00:07:31,567 --> 00:07:35,867 Sigmund Werner and his marvelous marionettes. 74 00:07:37,500 --> 00:07:40,734 The king will never submit to the threat. 75 00:07:43,867 --> 00:07:46,567 You'll never control me. 76 00:07:46,634 --> 00:07:47,767 I never agreed to this. 77 00:07:49,166 --> 00:07:50,867 It's me you want, not him. 78 00:07:50,867 --> 00:07:53,033 Leave him alone! 79 00:07:55,066 --> 00:07:56,734 You can't make me do this. 80 00:08:02,967 --> 00:08:06,266 You were sleepwalking, Grandpa. 81 00:08:08,066 --> 00:08:09,133 Was I? 82 00:08:14,900 --> 00:08:16,033 Arthur, 83 00:08:16,767 --> 00:08:20,367 you must never go into the attic. 84 00:08:22,266 --> 00:08:23,934 Never! 85 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:29,433 -[machine beeping] -[machine ventilating] 86 00:09:42,767 --> 00:09:44,667 [woman] How are his vitals? 87 00:09:44,667 --> 00:09:45,834 [man] No changes. 88 00:09:49,867 --> 00:09:51,734 We've made your grandfather comfortable. 89 00:09:52,767 --> 00:09:55,133 Is anyone else helping you with him? 90 00:09:57,166 --> 00:09:59,667 We know this is a difficult time. 91 00:09:59,667 --> 00:10:01,166 But you should call the hospice 92 00:10:01,166 --> 00:10:03,467 and find out what arrangements have been made. 93 00:10:04,567 --> 00:10:07,433 I'll come back tomorrow morning to check up on him. 94 00:10:27,100 --> 00:10:28,266 Sigmund? 95 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,467 About 15, maybe 20 minutes ago. 96 00:11:03,533 --> 00:11:07,066 [man on phone] Okay, your grandfather has a do not resuscitate order. 97 00:11:07,066 --> 00:11:09,967 And we've been instructed by him to call your Aunt Lorraine. 98 00:11:09,967 --> 00:11:13,467 We've left her a message, and we'll let you know the moment we hear from her. 99 00:11:13,467 --> 00:11:14,533 Well... 100 00:11:15,300 --> 00:11:17,667 What will I do until then? 101 00:11:17,667 --> 00:11:21,333 You don't need to do anything. We don't need to remove the body immediately. 102 00:11:22,266 --> 00:11:24,467 Spend time with your grandfather if you'd like. 103 00:11:25,166 --> 00:11:26,667 It's going to be okay, Arthur. 104 00:11:26,667 --> 00:11:27,867 We'll handle everything. 105 00:11:27,867 --> 00:11:28,934 Okay. 106 00:11:29,667 --> 00:11:31,166 Thank you. 107 00:11:31,233 --> 00:11:32,166 [hangs up] 108 00:12:38,900 --> 00:12:40,867 [distant laughter] 109 00:12:53,467 --> 00:12:56,233 [laughing] 110 00:13:42,767 --> 00:13:44,266 [electricity buzzing] 111 00:14:21,100 --> 00:14:23,166 [buzzing intensifies] 112 00:14:47,367 --> 00:14:51,166 [Arthur speaking] Arthur, you must go. 113 00:14:51,166 --> 00:14:52,767 This place isn't safe. 114 00:14:52,834 --> 00:14:55,667 Run. Run away. 115 00:14:55,734 --> 00:14:57,467 Don't leave me, Grandpa. 116 00:14:57,533 --> 00:14:59,266 You're the only one I have. 117 00:14:59,266 --> 00:15:00,634 [grunts] 118 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,734 I'm all alone now. 119 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,233 Everyone is gone. 120 00:15:07,100 --> 00:15:08,367 [thud] 121 00:15:25,367 --> 00:15:26,433 [creaking] 122 00:15:32,667 --> 00:15:33,834 [thud] 123 00:15:45,767 --> 00:15:47,934 [soft clanging] 124 00:15:54,567 --> 00:15:57,033 [male voice] Ladies and gentlemen. 125 00:15:58,467 --> 00:16:01,066 The most famous puppeteer alive, 126 00:16:01,066 --> 00:16:05,467 Sigmund Werner and his marvelous marionettes. 127 00:16:11,467 --> 00:16:13,333 Below the neck... 128 00:16:14,367 --> 00:16:17,233 They're all dead. 129 00:16:21,700 --> 00:16:24,533 We're coming for you, Arthur. 130 00:16:25,667 --> 00:16:28,834 [voice deepens] We're coming for you, Arthur. 131 00:16:36,667 --> 00:16:38,266 [screams] 132 00:16:38,266 --> 00:16:40,066 [panting] 133 00:16:58,567 --> 00:16:59,934 What's the word, Arthur? 134 00:17:01,467 --> 00:17:02,867 Not today, Derek. 135 00:17:02,867 --> 00:17:04,166 Where are you going? 136 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,166 Hey, loser. 137 00:17:07,367 --> 00:17:08,567 Gramps give you some cash? 138 00:17:08,567 --> 00:17:09,967 How much? 139 00:17:09,967 --> 00:17:11,367 -I've got nothing, man. -Empty your pockets, 140 00:17:11,367 --> 00:17:12,934 or Toby here will do it for you. 141 00:17:15,500 --> 00:17:16,867 Oh, are you going to cry? 142 00:17:17,867 --> 00:17:19,767 You gonna run home to your mommy? 143 00:17:19,834 --> 00:17:21,066 Oh, right. 144 00:17:21,867 --> 00:17:23,367 Art can't even do that. 145 00:17:24,266 --> 00:17:26,934 His old man went and killed her, didn't he? 146 00:17:28,266 --> 00:17:31,567 Maybe if Daddy was a better driver, huh? 147 00:17:31,567 --> 00:17:33,000 [shouts] Huh? 148 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,266 Now... 149 00:17:34,266 --> 00:17:37,033 How about we empty those pockets? 150 00:17:37,767 --> 00:17:39,567 Argh! 151 00:17:39,567 --> 00:17:42,166 I'm going to get you, Arthur! 152 00:17:42,166 --> 00:17:43,233 Let's get him. 153 00:17:50,767 --> 00:17:52,533 [panting] 154 00:17:56,100 --> 00:17:57,166 [thud] 155 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,533 [Arthur speaking] Empty your pockets, Arthur. 156 00:18:56,066 --> 00:18:58,333 How about a taste of your own medicine, Derek? 157 00:19:00,667 --> 00:19:01,667 Ow! 158 00:19:01,667 --> 00:19:03,166 Stop it, Arthur! 159 00:19:03,867 --> 00:19:05,667 Stop it! 160 00:19:05,734 --> 00:19:06,634 Stop! 161 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:13,834 Stop! 162 00:19:40,900 --> 00:19:43,467 [laughing] 163 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,967 [screaming] 164 00:20:17,467 --> 00:20:19,533 -[doorbell rings] -[knocking at door] 165 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,567 I'm coming. 166 00:20:22,634 --> 00:20:25,166 [knocking at door] 167 00:20:25,233 --> 00:20:27,433 [Derek] Arthur, where you at? 168 00:20:28,667 --> 00:20:31,367 -Arthur! -[Toby] Let us in, Arthur. 169 00:20:31,433 --> 00:20:33,867 [banging at door] 170 00:20:33,867 --> 00:20:35,333 We know you're in there. 171 00:20:37,367 --> 00:20:38,567 [Derek] Arthur! 172 00:20:40,100 --> 00:20:41,066 Arthur! 173 00:20:42,667 --> 00:20:43,867 I know you're in here. 174 00:20:44,900 --> 00:20:46,867 We just want to finish what we started. 175 00:20:46,867 --> 00:20:49,333 Yeah, man. We just want to have a little chat. 176 00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:54,066 Dude, check this out. 177 00:20:57,266 --> 00:20:58,734 Dude, this guy's a freak. 178 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:01,767 Look at this. 179 00:21:03,467 --> 00:21:05,266 What's with all the dolls? 180 00:21:05,266 --> 00:21:07,166 Maybe that's why Arthur's so messed up. 181 00:21:10,567 --> 00:21:11,467 Yeah. 182 00:21:11,467 --> 00:21:12,767 Oh, dude. 183 00:21:14,667 --> 00:21:17,967 -Looks like we interrupted play time, huh? -[laughs] 184 00:21:18,033 --> 00:21:19,433 You guys see Arthur anywhere? 185 00:21:21,567 --> 00:21:24,634 -Oh. Hiding like a little baby? -[Toby laughs] 186 00:21:26,100 --> 00:21:27,634 And he's looking for a beating. 187 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,166 What else are they saying, huh? 188 00:21:32,467 --> 00:21:36,467 They say Arthur's too old to be playing with dolls. 189 00:21:36,467 --> 00:21:37,567 Yeah, he is. 190 00:21:39,100 --> 00:21:41,066 Maybe we should help him grow up a bit, huh? 191 00:21:41,066 --> 00:21:43,266 -Yeah, come on. -[both laughing] 192 00:21:44,567 --> 00:21:45,734 Come on! 193 00:21:51,867 --> 00:21:53,734 -Stupid puppets. -Break my ... 194 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,634 You go get that puppet-loving freak. 195 00:22:05,367 --> 00:22:09,066 Come out, come out wherever you are. 196 00:22:28,166 --> 00:22:29,266 What the hell? 197 00:22:41,467 --> 00:22:42,767 [grunts] 198 00:22:46,667 --> 00:22:47,834 [groans] 199 00:22:50,567 --> 00:22:51,767 Argh! 200 00:22:58,900 --> 00:23:01,467 [groaning] 201 00:23:01,533 --> 00:23:02,567 [screams] 202 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,634 [Toby] Found him! 203 00:23:25,500 --> 00:23:27,967 -[laughing] -You're not gonna find your mommy down there. 204 00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:32,634 Open up, Arthur! 205 00:23:33,266 --> 00:23:34,467 That's not fair. 206 00:23:34,533 --> 00:23:37,266 This is no way to treat your guests, Arthur. 207 00:23:37,266 --> 00:23:38,767 Open up. 208 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,834 [voice laughing] 209 00:23:53,166 --> 00:23:54,667 [voice cackles] 210 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,834 [distant laughter] 211 00:24:18,867 --> 00:24:20,467 Holy ... 212 00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:24,066 [laughing] 213 00:24:35,700 --> 00:24:38,333 Dude, there's a dead guy in here. 214 00:24:43,066 --> 00:24:44,433 We've been forced... 215 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,433 ...to endure torture... 216 00:24:49,567 --> 00:24:50,934 ...from evil men. 217 00:24:54,066 --> 00:24:55,867 What are you talking about? 218 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,066 Now... 219 00:25:02,133 --> 00:25:04,266 [laughs maniacally] 220 00:25:04,333 --> 00:25:08,767 It's our turn to inflict the same suffering! 221 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,367 [exclaiming in horror] 222 00:25:20,367 --> 00:25:22,734 [laughing] 223 00:25:23,367 --> 00:25:25,433 [both screaming] 224 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,734 [laughing] 225 00:25:32,166 --> 00:25:33,934 [door opens] 226 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,133 [roars] 227 00:26:03,166 --> 00:26:04,166 Come here! 228 00:26:04,233 --> 00:26:07,433 [screaming] 229 00:26:10,166 --> 00:26:12,133 Oh my God. [gasps] 230 00:26:29,300 --> 00:26:32,166 [screams] 231 00:26:45,567 --> 00:26:46,734 Fight back, Arthur. 232 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,166 Sigmund died trying to keep us hidden from the world! 233 00:27:23,166 --> 00:27:27,634 We made him famous, and he locked us away! 234 00:27:32,367 --> 00:27:33,567 [roars] 235 00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:50,333 [breath trembling] 236 00:28:34,467 --> 00:28:35,567 [Derek groans] 237 00:28:38,367 --> 00:28:39,433 Argh! 238 00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:43,033 [screams] 239 00:28:46,166 --> 00:28:49,767 Please, please, please. I'm sorry. [groans] I'm sorry. 240 00:28:49,767 --> 00:28:50,867 [glass jingling] 241 00:28:55,166 --> 00:28:56,867 Help. Help me, help me! 242 00:28:56,867 --> 00:28:59,767 [screaming] 243 00:28:59,767 --> 00:29:01,767 [Arthur panting] 244 00:29:01,834 --> 00:29:03,100 [wind blowing] 245 00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:05,567 -[electrical buzzing] -[glass jingling] 246 00:29:05,567 --> 00:29:08,667 [Derek screaming] 247 00:29:08,734 --> 00:29:10,834 [straining] 248 00:29:12,867 --> 00:29:14,467 [screaming continues] 249 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,533 -[electrical buzzing] -[wind blowing] 250 00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:41,967 [ringing] 251 00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:52,767 -[high-pitched ringing] -[electricity buzzing] 252 00:29:52,834 --> 00:29:54,166 [wind blowing] 253 00:29:58,567 --> 00:29:59,767 [screams] 254 00:30:09,767 --> 00:30:12,000 [buzzing stops] 255 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,734 [panting slowly] 256 00:30:38,667 --> 00:30:40,333 [doorbell rings] 257 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,066 Hello? 258 00:30:48,266 --> 00:30:49,433 Arthur? 259 00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:54,233 [Arthur humming] 260 00:31:08,467 --> 00:31:10,567 [humming continues] 261 00:31:21,567 --> 00:31:23,333 [breath trembling] 262 00:31:24,567 --> 00:31:26,333 [hums shakily] 263 00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:41,066 [screams] 264 00:31:51,467 --> 00:31:54,066 [knocking] 265 00:31:56,166 --> 00:31:57,734 [knocking quickens] 266 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,000 Hi, I'm Eli Roth. 267 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,867 Welcome to "Filmmaker 2 Filmmaker: The Haunted Museum." 268 00:32:49,867 --> 00:32:53,367 I am here with the amazing director Roxy Shih. 269 00:32:53,367 --> 00:32:55,767 Roxy, thank you so much for joining. 270 00:32:55,767 --> 00:32:57,567 You know, you did some incredible episodes 271 00:32:57,567 --> 00:32:59,967 from the last season of "Haunted Museum." 272 00:32:59,967 --> 00:33:02,767 Very thankful and lucky that you came back to grace us with 273 00:33:02,767 --> 00:33:04,066 your presence again. 274 00:33:04,133 --> 00:33:04,867 It's an honor. 275 00:33:04,867 --> 00:33:07,100 Let's talk about the, you know, 276 00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:09,567 the horror last year was, was a different type of horror 277 00:33:09,634 --> 00:33:11,767 that you directed in your other episodes. 278 00:33:11,767 --> 00:33:16,066 Let's talk about these creepy, creepy puppets. 279 00:33:16,066 --> 00:33:17,367 Ah, I loved, I loved 280 00:33:17,367 --> 00:33:19,367 shooting this episode, it was so much fun, 281 00:33:19,367 --> 00:33:22,667 like, literally, I just loved how everybody came to play ball. 282 00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:32,000 What was it about this story, these puppets 283 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,266 this, this strange, strange story that you said, 284 00:33:35,266 --> 00:33:37,166 "Oh my god. I'm really excited to tell this story"? 285 00:33:37,166 --> 00:33:38,467 [sighs] 286 00:33:38,467 --> 00:33:41,867 So the main character, Arthur is going through a very 287 00:33:41,867 --> 00:33:42,967 momentous time of 288 00:33:42,967 --> 00:33:47,367 grief and he's extremely isolated in a space that 289 00:33:47,433 --> 00:33:49,266 doesn't feel like home. 290 00:33:49,266 --> 00:33:53,166 So for me the space represents safety, right? 291 00:33:53,166 --> 00:33:54,266 When you're growing up, 292 00:33:54,266 --> 00:33:56,467 you're always looking for someplace safe and his 293 00:33:56,533 --> 00:33:57,667 grandfather dies, 294 00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:05,867 and that is his last tether to safety, 295 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,166 and the only thing that his grandfather really loves 296 00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:13,266 was puppeteering and these puppets, 297 00:34:13,333 --> 00:34:16,867 these iconic puppets that gave him his fame, 298 00:34:21,667 --> 00:34:24,166 and so even though strange things were happening, 299 00:34:24,166 --> 00:34:25,467 when you're in grief, 300 00:34:25,533 --> 00:34:28,567 you're clinging onto something that reminds you of a place 301 00:34:28,567 --> 00:34:30,367 you once felt safe in. 302 00:34:30,367 --> 00:34:31,767 So, coming in from this perspective, 303 00:34:31,767 --> 00:34:34,367 yeah, sure, you could say that puppets are creepy. 304 00:34:34,367 --> 00:34:36,066 I don't see it that way. 305 00:34:36,066 --> 00:34:38,266 I see it -- of them as an extension 306 00:34:38,333 --> 00:34:39,767 of something you once loved. 307 00:34:39,767 --> 00:34:41,667 So coming from that angle, 308 00:34:41,667 --> 00:34:45,266 It really gave the character a lot of emotional depth 309 00:34:45,266 --> 00:34:48,266 and stakes as well as to why he continues 310 00:34:48,333 --> 00:34:49,367 to keep them around, 311 00:34:49,367 --> 00:34:51,967 but in a way, Arthur's whole arc was 312 00:34:52,033 --> 00:34:55,834 about reclaiming his power and not being weak. 313 00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:03,433 Fight back, Arthur. 314 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,767 So you see that coming through and how he fights against it 315 00:35:11,834 --> 00:35:12,967 and reclaims it. 316 00:35:12,967 --> 00:35:15,667 The puppets had a lot to do with it as well. 317 00:35:15,667 --> 00:35:19,467 I never think everything is black and white, even things 318 00:35:19,467 --> 00:35:21,567 of great evil had an origin of love. 319 00:35:21,567 --> 00:35:23,166 -Yes, someone, yeah. -You know? 320 00:35:23,166 --> 00:35:24,166 Someone thinks they're right. 321 00:35:24,233 --> 00:35:25,667 -Exactly. -Someone genuinely believed 322 00:35:25,667 --> 00:35:28,667 -they were doing something good when they were doing it, yeah. -Absolutely. 323 00:35:28,667 --> 00:35:31,066 -They're driven by their own sense of justice, -Yeah. 324 00:35:31,133 --> 00:35:34,367 and so I feel like as filmmakers we have to honor that. 325 00:35:34,367 --> 00:35:36,166 Of course. Well, then you're not being true 326 00:35:36,166 --> 00:35:38,767 to the character or, or to the objects. 327 00:35:38,767 --> 00:35:39,934 Exactly. 328 00:35:41,467 --> 00:35:43,867 Talk about Arthur and casting. 329 00:35:43,934 --> 00:35:45,266 What did you look for in that actor? 330 00:35:45,266 --> 00:35:48,166 Because obviously, you know, we're shooting low budget, 331 00:35:48,166 --> 00:35:50,367 we're shooting fast, we're shooting non-union, 332 00:35:50,433 --> 00:35:51,433 and you still -- 333 00:35:51,467 --> 00:35:54,367 you're hinging the whole episode on this one actor. 334 00:35:54,367 --> 00:35:56,767 What do you look for in an actor and, 335 00:35:56,767 --> 00:35:59,467 and talk about getting the performance you got, 336 00:35:59,533 --> 00:36:01,567 which was pretty incredible. 337 00:36:01,567 --> 00:36:02,467 I think nowadays 338 00:36:02,467 --> 00:36:04,667 I'm not looking for perfection at all. 339 00:36:04,667 --> 00:36:08,367 I'm looking for a part of it, or even a part 340 00:36:08,433 --> 00:36:10,066 of something that I truly believe. 341 00:36:10,133 --> 00:36:11,567 Like do I believe that 342 00:36:11,567 --> 00:36:13,166 he's somebody that's bullied a lot? 343 00:36:13,166 --> 00:36:14,333 Hey loser. 344 00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:16,767 Gramps give you some cash? 345 00:36:16,767 --> 00:36:17,967 How much? 346 00:36:18,033 --> 00:36:19,100 I got nothing, I -- 347 00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:21,433 Empty your pockets, or Toby here will do it for you. 348 00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:23,567 He doesn't have to be perfect. 349 00:36:23,567 --> 00:36:25,867 He doesn't have to know all his lines, right, 350 00:36:25,934 --> 00:36:28,767 but as long as he's coming to me with an energy 351 00:36:28,767 --> 00:36:32,066 that I'm just like he's tapping into something that's very real. 352 00:36:32,066 --> 00:36:33,867 Even if it's just a sliver of that, 353 00:36:33,867 --> 00:36:35,266 I know I can work with it. 354 00:36:35,266 --> 00:36:36,767 In terms of directing, 355 00:36:36,767 --> 00:36:38,567 I'm extremely straightforward. 356 00:36:38,567 --> 00:36:39,567 I don't parent anybody. 357 00:36:39,567 --> 00:36:41,066 I'm not soft with anybody. 358 00:36:41,133 --> 00:36:42,567 I'm soft sometimes, depending on who it is. 359 00:36:42,567 --> 00:36:43,567 Oh, you're a softy. 360 00:36:43,634 --> 00:36:44,667 You're so sweet. 361 00:36:44,667 --> 00:36:45,767 -Am I? -Yes, you are. 362 00:36:45,767 --> 00:36:47,100 -You haven't seen me on -- -I haven't seen it, 363 00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:48,467 but I guess there's another side of it, too? 364 00:36:48,467 --> 00:36:50,567 Oh yeah, I'm ... crazy, yeah. 365 00:36:50,567 --> 00:36:51,867 [laughing] 366 00:36:51,934 --> 00:36:52,700 You are, too, though, 367 00:36:52,767 --> 00:36:54,367 we're all kind of, kind of, you know. 368 00:36:54,433 --> 00:36:55,467 Yeah, I have a rule 369 00:36:55,533 --> 00:36:57,100 that on a movie you get to lose it once on set, 370 00:36:57,100 --> 00:36:58,767 -because if you're too nice, -Oh, yes. 371 00:36:58,767 --> 00:37:00,166 everyone starts to take advantage, 372 00:37:00,233 --> 00:37:02,100 -Right. -and then I have one blow-up 373 00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:03,667 for out of the eight or ten weeks. 374 00:37:03,734 --> 00:37:04,667 Oh, you budget your blow-up? 375 00:37:04,667 --> 00:37:05,767 I budget my blow-up, 376 00:37:05,834 --> 00:37:07,066 -because if you scream every minute, -Yeah. 377 00:37:07,066 --> 00:37:08,667 then no one's going to listen to you and it's exhausting, 378 00:37:08,667 --> 00:37:10,467 -you gotta -- -You gotta BYB, you gotta budget your blow-up. 379 00:37:10,467 --> 00:37:11,667 Yeah, you budget your blow-up, 380 00:37:11,734 --> 00:37:13,467 -but you get one moment where you lose it, -Yeah. 381 00:37:13,467 --> 00:37:15,066 but, you know, on a five or six to -- 382 00:37:15,133 --> 00:37:17,166 on a short shooting schedule, you ca -- you kind of can't. 383 00:37:17,233 --> 00:37:18,567 -You just gotta -No. 384 00:37:18,567 --> 00:37:21,066 you gotta keep your focus and keep everyone motivated. 385 00:37:21,066 --> 00:37:22,667 Exactly, like, for me, 386 00:37:22,667 --> 00:37:28,166 I feel like I am everyone, like I'm nobody without my people 387 00:37:28,233 --> 00:37:31,367 and so I always appreciate different points of views 388 00:37:31,367 --> 00:37:33,567 different perspectives as a filmmaker, yeah. 389 00:37:33,567 --> 00:37:34,667 But you also have 390 00:37:34,667 --> 00:37:36,867 to be the filter, going "bad idea." -I do, I do. 391 00:37:36,867 --> 00:37:39,100 This is it, not personal this is -- 392 00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:41,166 -and this is what I want to do. -Yes. 393 00:37:41,166 --> 00:37:42,266 That's why I'm doing it. 394 00:37:42,266 --> 00:37:45,266 Your gut is everything, your gut, your intuition. 395 00:37:45,266 --> 00:37:48,367 I used to deny it for so long and then, 396 00:37:48,433 --> 00:37:49,667 now that I'm in my mid-30s, 397 00:37:49,667 --> 00:37:52,166 I'm like, oh what's the point if I'm not listening to it? 398 00:37:52,166 --> 00:37:53,166 Right. 399 00:37:53,233 --> 00:37:55,000 'Cause I'm coming in with my experience 400 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,467 and what I love and what I connect with, 401 00:37:57,467 --> 00:37:58,567 it doesn't -- 402 00:37:58,634 --> 00:37:59,967 you don't have to have superfluous direction, 403 00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:02,166 be like, "Hey, go to the door faster." 404 00:38:02,233 --> 00:38:04,100 -Yeah. -You know, "Oh, no, stop, do that again. 405 00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:06,367 "One more time, softer. Let's do it serious, softer. 406 00:38:06,367 --> 00:38:08,367 Okay, faster, a little bit louder." 407 00:38:08,367 --> 00:38:10,166 Do I believe it? Do I believe it? 408 00:38:10,233 --> 00:38:12,467 It doesn't matter unless you're watching the screen 409 00:38:12,467 --> 00:38:14,100 and you're like I could work with that, I believe it. 410 00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:17,367 Yes, and you have to sort of edit in real time as 411 00:38:17,433 --> 00:38:20,934 -Edit in real time, oh yes. -you're doing it, in your head. 412 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,266 So let's talk about the scares and the gore. 413 00:38:28,266 --> 00:38:29,266 Yes. 414 00:38:29,266 --> 00:38:30,867 [moaning] 415 00:38:30,867 --> 00:38:32,033 Dad. 416 00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:39,066 We're coming for you, Arthur. 417 00:38:41,300 --> 00:38:43,767 [squelching] 418 00:38:43,767 --> 00:38:45,867 I'm a big fan of under the skin horror. 419 00:38:45,867 --> 00:38:47,967 I don't like anything that's too in your face. 420 00:38:47,967 --> 00:38:50,867 I think of everything as like an orgasm like, you know, 421 00:38:50,934 --> 00:38:53,467 as a filmmaker you're bringing your audience to orgasm. -Yes, yes. 422 00:38:53,467 --> 00:38:55,767 But, but it's like do you earn it, you know? 423 00:38:55,834 --> 00:38:57,867 -Sometimes it's you don't, you don't get there, right? -Yes. 424 00:38:57,867 --> 00:38:59,266 And then the audience was like, "Oh my god." 425 00:38:59,266 --> 00:39:00,567 Body horror, right? -Yeah. 426 00:39:00,567 --> 00:39:03,100 You're just like -- the audience is reacting to something, 427 00:39:03,100 --> 00:39:04,367 you were leading them somewhere. 428 00:39:04,367 --> 00:39:06,066 You don't give it to them, right? 429 00:39:06,133 --> 00:39:07,667 So for me, it's always about -- 430 00:39:07,667 --> 00:39:10,367 What I love about horror is that it's a sensationalism. 431 00:39:10,367 --> 00:39:11,667 It's an experience, 432 00:39:11,667 --> 00:39:14,166 you actually have a hard time breathing, 433 00:39:14,166 --> 00:39:17,667 you want to avert your eyes, you have a physical reaction. 434 00:39:17,667 --> 00:39:21,567 So talk about filming, specifically, the puppet kills. 435 00:39:21,634 --> 00:39:30,266 [screaming] 436 00:39:30,333 --> 00:39:34,166 [laughing] 437 00:39:34,166 --> 00:39:35,066 How was it? 438 00:39:35,133 --> 00:39:36,500 What did you find? 439 00:39:36,567 --> 00:39:38,834 -What was the most exciting, do you have a favorite death? -It was, ah! 440 00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:41,667 -We had puppeteers. -Mm-hmm. 441 00:39:41,667 --> 00:39:44,667 So getting to learn how they do their craft was also 442 00:39:44,667 --> 00:39:48,567 very rewarding for me and seeing their capabilities, 443 00:39:48,567 --> 00:39:50,667 how far they can go, 444 00:39:50,667 --> 00:39:53,166 what they can do, how they can emulate emotion. 445 00:39:54,200 --> 00:40:00,333 Ow, stop it, Arthur! Stop it! Stop! 446 00:40:03,166 --> 00:40:05,367 I know we saw in Prague on "House the Marionette" 447 00:40:05,367 --> 00:40:07,567 the other day, actually Barbara from Hostel worked in 448 00:40:07,634 --> 00:40:08,400 the marionette theater. 449 00:40:08,467 --> 00:40:10,567 It was like amazing the emotion that 450 00:40:10,634 --> 00:40:11,867 they could get out of a marionette 451 00:40:11,867 --> 00:40:14,266 -But they're wooden faces, -Yeah. 452 00:40:14,333 --> 00:40:16,000 but the the emotion that comes through in there 453 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:16,867 and how they puppeteer, 454 00:40:16,867 --> 00:40:20,467 it's amazing, and then so for me 455 00:40:20,533 --> 00:40:24,066 a lot of the people who get possessed by the energy of 456 00:40:24,133 --> 00:40:28,367 the puppets in the episode have to emulate the marionette, 457 00:40:28,367 --> 00:40:29,667 you know, but -- and so, my -- 458 00:40:29,667 --> 00:40:31,367 When I was auditioning, I said, 459 00:40:31,433 --> 00:40:34,100 "Do you have experience with body movement? 460 00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:36,066 "Have you taken body movement training? 461 00:40:36,066 --> 00:40:38,100 Are you comfortable?" 462 00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:39,867 You know, like let me see what that looks like. 463 00:40:39,934 --> 00:40:41,367 -Did you see them do it in the audition? -Yes. 464 00:40:41,367 --> 00:40:43,166 So in the audition, I asked them I'm like, 465 00:40:43,166 --> 00:40:45,000 "Hey, I'm going to ask you to do something crazy, 466 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,567 "and I just need you to lean in and trust yourself. 467 00:40:47,567 --> 00:40:48,767 "Don't think about how goofy you're looking, 468 00:40:48,834 --> 00:40:49,567 "it's not about that. 469 00:40:49,567 --> 00:40:52,667 "Go as far as you can for me, 470 00:40:52,667 --> 00:40:54,767 'cause I want to see how far you're willing to go," 471 00:40:54,834 --> 00:40:56,533 and, and the kids did it. 472 00:41:06,166 --> 00:41:09,100 So in terms of like the puppets and the characters 473 00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:10,367 and actors that get 474 00:41:10,367 --> 00:41:13,066 possessed by that energy, it's being mirrored by that, which 475 00:41:13,133 --> 00:41:15,734 elevates the scary factor. 476 00:41:21,867 --> 00:41:23,166 Well, thank you so much Roxy. 477 00:41:23,166 --> 00:41:25,166 -It's really really an amazing episode. -Thanks. 478 00:41:25,166 --> 00:41:27,967 -I love your energy and creativity. -Thank you. 479 00:41:28,033 --> 00:41:29,667 and just your passion that you bring to everything. -Thanks. 480 00:41:29,667 --> 00:41:30,867 It really comes through in the work, 481 00:41:30,867 --> 00:41:32,467 -Thank you, Eli. -So, thank you. 482 00:41:32,467 --> 00:41:34,567 Where else can people find other work of yours? 483 00:41:34,567 --> 00:41:36,867 Is there a website or Instagram, or what's 484 00:41:36,867 --> 00:41:41,266 the one place people should look for anything Roxy Shih? 485 00:41:41,266 --> 00:41:44,467 You can follow me on Instagram, instagram.com/roxishih 486 00:41:44,467 --> 00:41:46,166 I have lots of stuff everywhere, 487 00:41:46,166 --> 00:41:47,967 so you could go into the dark hole 488 00:41:48,033 --> 00:41:50,066 of that and see what tickles your fancy. 489 00:41:50,066 --> 00:41:52,767 -Awesome, thanks so much. -Yeah, thank you.