-Oh, my God. I'm excited about today's guest.
Well, let me tell you why.
Today's guest has gone from a successful model
to a mega successful actress,
to an insanely successful businesswoman.
And besides her thriving acting career,
well, she's got a talent management business,
a digital media company,
and her own makeup and fashion brand.
To sum it up, well, she simply makes things happen.
I'm talking about my sister,
my friend, Sofia Vergara.
Sofia -- [ Imitating Spanish speaking ]
-What language are you talking?
Oh, my God.
I haven't seen you in such a long time.
-[ Imitating Spanish speaking ]
Right? Does that sound like I knew it?
-No, it's -- -No?
-No. -How have you been?
I haven't seen you in forever.
-Do you remember that we did a movie together?
-What do you mean, do I remember?
That's why you're here. Of course I remember.
-Oh, that's why I'm here? You only interview
people that are in movies with you?
-I interview my friends.
I interview my business partners,
my people that I have relationships with,
more importantly, people that I want the world to understand
that are great people, great minds --
-Even people that you don't like, you interview?
-I interviewed a person, but not on this show,
that I didn't like before.
But here, this is all like great rapport,
great relationships, and a great feel,
and back and forth. That's what this place is.
That's why it's called "Hart to Heart."
-That's why I'm here.
-Okay, well, I'm glad you're here.
So I don't have to explain to you what this show is.
You know. -No, no, no.
And I love your set.
I love your energy. I love the people you interview.
I'm a fan. I've always been a big fan of yours.
-Well, thank you, Sofia.
Well, this is what I'm talking about,
this is how you get off to a good start.
Here's the thing, we're going to drink some wine, right,
and drinking wine we're going to have
a very loose, real conversation, and I'm going to get to know
more than what I've already known.
The people are going to get to know more about you.
We're going to celebrate you. We're going to embrace you,
uplift you. You're going to walk away
with a great feeling after the show, okay?
-Are you going to let me talk at some point?
Yeah. [ Laughter ]
-The fuck is so funny, guys?
-Can you say fuck? -Oh, my God.
We can say whatever we want. It's "Hart to Heart."
Let me get my somm out here. DLynn, please? Where's D at?
-What are you drinking? -Oh, you're about to know.
He's going to break it down for us.
-Hello. -Mrs. Vergara, hello.
-What's this? -Mr. Hart.
-What I got? -Well, we've got
five and a half million years of geological history here.
We've got two single-vineyard wines,
less than 200 cases made of each.
-Come on, now. -Of course for you,
a fantastic white, which I will pour first.
-Okay. -A wonderful single-vineyard
Chardonnay from Sonoma,
of course. -Okay.
-I don't know why she got it first,
but we'll deal with that later.
-Oh, my, because I am the guest.
-Yes, I know, but I'll fix it in edit.
-I mean -- -I'll change that in the edit.
-Of course, Mr. Hart, single-vineyard Mourvedre.
Of course in the Latin language,
the Spaniards call it Monastrell.
-Monastrell, yeah, I knew it.
I knew that. It's a Mourvedre, yeah.
Thank you, D. -Both of you, please enjoy.
-Yes, I appreciate you. Cheers.
-Salud. -Cheers, salud. Okay, first --
-Thank you for having me.
-Thank you for being had.
Mm-hmm.
Good?
-Nice and refreshing. Very light. I love it.
Not like very acid. -Okay, good.
-Yeah, I don't know anything about wines,
but I like drinking wine.
-Your just answered as if you knew just now.
-Oh, really? -Yeah, light, acid --
-No, I can tell you what I feel.
-Don't yell at me, Sofia. We just started.
Jesus Christ. What just happened?
-I'm laughing. I don't know. It's like, it's some voice
that I always have here, that it's, I can't control.
-For those who do not know, Sofia and I did a movie
together called "Soul Plane."
This was actually the first movie --
-That you ever did? -No, it was the second one
that I ever did. The first one was "Paper Soldiers,"
but this was supposed to be the movie that, you know,
launched my career, that put me in a place of real success.
Jessy Terrero... -Of course.
-...who I know you know -- -Snoop Dogg was in that movie.
-Snoop, Mo'Nique, D.L. Hughley --
-Yes. -John Witherspoon.
-Yes. You know that it was like,
I want to say like 18 years ago or something like that.
-Maybe longer. -20 years --
I think, yeah, because it was when I moved,
you're right, here. I moved 20 years ago to Los Angeles.
-Yeah, that's about the right time.
It sounds right, 20 years ago.
-It was like one of my first movies, yes.
-So, let me ask you a question. For me,
that movie, you know,
it really was a pivotal moment for me in my career,
because although the movie didn't have box office success,
because it got bootlegged it had a tremendous amount of success
and allowed me to really kind of take my feet,
place them in a space of stand-up,
build a rapport with an audience,
and like grow a fan base. -Well, people started believing
in you after that, because they were able to see.
Like I didn't even know who you were until I saw the movie
and I was like, "Oh, my God, this guy is amazing."
And you were so much more handsome at the time,
remember, yeah. And younger. -Yeah.
-Fresher. But you're doing great, you know?
Yeah.
-Yeah, no, yeah. Absolutely.
That was weird. I think we kind of, I think it,
like, I thought you were going like in the space of compliment,
and then it's like whoo, it just went down.
-It was a compliment. -Yeah, well, until you said
like, that was when I was younger.
I still feel like I'm -- -Well, I'm not lying.
It's a fact. You were younger, 20 years ago?
-Yeah, well, I mean, it depends on how you look at me.
-Well, I'm 50 now. -Are you really?
-I looked like fresh at that time. Now I'm like --
-Sofia, you look great. -Yeah, but --
-I'm serious. -But I'm 50.
-You look great. -Inside I'm 50.
-Inside, you're 50? -No, actually, no,
inside I feel like I'm younger, but everything --
-What is that? What just happened?
No, stop it.
-Yeah, it's like everything's starting to like,
you know, it's like --
-No, you look phenomenal. Phenomenal.
My question was going to be, what did that movie do for you?
What did "Soul Plane" do for you at a point of your career?
-It got me money. Yeah.
-Just pretty much that's it?
-Yeah. -Just got you money.
Did opportunities come because of "Soul Plane"?
-I created a lot of friends there, was amazing,
and also I learned a lot to be on a set doing a movie,
because it was like one of my first movies.
Then I worked a couple of times with Tyler Perry,
so I think yes.
Like I think then I became part of more movies
that were more for Black people, Latin people,
that were including us, so that was a great time for me.
That's what I think that that movie did for me.
-And you came from Univision, right?
-Yes. -I remember you were,
you were very big in the world of Univision.
How long were you in that ecosystem?
-Well, I've been working since I was like 17 years old,
but really in Univision, I started working
like when I was 22,
and I think I've never stopped working.
-Really, since 22, you've been going nonstop.
-Yeah, nonstop.
-And after "Soul Plane," what do you feel,
what acted as the big break?
What was the big breaking moment for Sofia Vergara?
Was it -- It was something before "Modern Family," was it?
-No, I think the big break was "Modern Family."
-I mean, I moved to Los Angeles thinking
if I don't find a job like in the next six months,
I'm fine. I'll just go back.
And here I am 20 years later. -Holy shit.
-It's like, I did many little things here and there.
I did three pilots that went half seasons,
and then I got -- But ABC didn't want to let me go.
-Okay. -So, until they found me
"Modern Family." -Oh, they knew they had a star.
They knew that we have something in this individual.
Letting her out of our ecosystem would be foolish.
Let's find and work hard to find something.
-They gave me a holding deal
until they found "Modern Family" for me.
-Holy shit. -So I didn't even audition.
-How long was the holding deal for?
-I think it was like for three years.
-Get out of here! -Yeah, and it was fantastic --
I mean, it was not fun --
I mean, it was great 'cause I was getting, you know,
but I also, I wanted to start working.
I wanted to find things, and they were waiting for me
to find the right thing, and it was great.
-How many things, were there things
that just weren't working out, a lot of auditions,
or just things that weren't right the fit
over the course of the three years?
Like, how many things did you figure out?
-Not over the course of three years. Like, I moved to LA,
and I think I hit "Modern Family" like on the 7th year,
so it wasn't that fast. -Okay.
-In those seven years I did a lot of,
many auditions that they told me no,
and many movies, little movies here and there, little parts.
But the moment that I did "Modern Family,"
it was like the first week, that was it.
-You know what "Modern Family" is like, what I compare that to?
When you talk about the world of investing, right,
they have these things that are like lightning bolts
in the bottle, things that they feel
will only happen a couple times in a lifetime.
You think about Uber
and the success that Uber had in the beginning stages.
Well, in television it's the same,
to be a part of an opportunity
that grows to be a 10-year show.
-Yeah, crazy, 11 years.
-11 years, 11 years of television.
-I don't think that's ever going to happen again
now in television, because people want like things fast,
and they want to move on so fast.
It was like, it was special for us, yeah.
-I feel like we're in the time of five seasons
and that's it, right?
Getting past five seasons is tough.
I think the world of the 10 seasons was,
that was -- no pun intended,
but when you're talking about family,
a show that embraces family,
the beauty of that, you're watching a family grow.
And the shows throughout the years that have embraced that,
not only do they have success, but you felt like you were
a part of the lives of the characters,
and the characters dealt
with a lot of real situations in real time.
"Modern Family" did the same thing.
Steve, Steve Levitan, a producer on that show, phenomenal guy.
When you were in Season 1, 2, did you guys know?
Did you feel like holy shit, this is --
-We knew from the first episode.
I mean, it was like crazy, immediately.
It was like, I mean, the first and worst season,
we were invited to every award show.
We were all nominated. I mean, it was crazy.
I never thought I was going to be able
to be part of something like that.
And, you know, to be -- I used to watch Ed O'Neill
when I was in Colombia. -Insane, insane.
-So it was like I couldn't believe it.
And I was married to Ed O'Neill.
He was like 20 years older than me.
I was like, it never -- I'm like oh, my God.
I remember the first time that they told me
he was going to be my husband, and I'm like,
"Oh, my God, I'm going to be stuck with the old guy
in the set for hours.
And it's going to be so boring." And --
-It was the complete opposite. -It was complete opposite.
I mean, I'm like, "What do we have in common?"
You know, "I'm from Colombia,"
and, I mean, we had such a great time,
him and I on the set every day. It was fantastic.
-Did you guys, like, before going into it,
because like you said, at this point the network
is trying to find something for you.
They find "Modern Family." It's going to be you,
it's going to be Ed O'Neill.
Before you got to the place of table reads, et cetera,
did you have to meet Ed a couple times?
-No. -No. It was just showing up.
-We met at the table read. -Holy shit.
And the chemistry kicked off like that.
-It was immediate. It was immediate.
And I was very worried,
because my character was a younger woman,
an immigrant, and with a kid,
and she sounded like completely the gold digger.
I mean, I'm like, oh, my God, I told my manager, it's like,
they're going to hate her, you know?
But then there was something that I did with the character
and that Ed helped me do with the character, that it worked.
And I don't think anyone you ask thought
that Gloria was not really in love with Jay.
-Yeah. -So it was great.
-I think that the beauty of what you were able to do was,
you were able to bring a lot of you to --
-You were in "Modern Family." -Yes, I came, and I did it.
What are you talking about?
I was like the first Black guy to ever do the show.
-You always talking like that about you.
Like you're the first everything.
-I was. I was the first Black guy to do "Modern Family."
Okay, you guys can go look it up.
I was a neighbor. You guys don't even know
they had a Black neighbor. It was me.
Now, granted, I did one episode because of my schedule.
I couldn't do more, but that episode was very funny.
-It was very funny. -Very, very funny.
-I mean, I don't know if it was because of you,
but it was very funny. Yeah. [ Laughter ]
You were really funny, but --
-I don't understand why -- I mean, really, guys,
I've never heard you laugh this hard.
Like, really, it's never happened, and all of a sudden,
everybody's got an amazing funny bone around here.
Like, it's really bothering me. We can discuss it later,
but I feel like we should tone it down.
We don't have a laugh track on this show.
Those are real laughs.
Let's fucking cut it out. Okay?
That's enough. We're going to take a quick break.
Guys, we got to pay some bills.
We'll be right back with more "Hart to Heart" after this.
-Welcome back. This is still "Hart to Heart,"
and I'm in the chair, and Sofia's in that one.
Okay, so, Sofia, we're talking about acting, right?
So, you are able to bring your cadences.
The character ends up taking off.
Let's now cut to -- -What did you say,
I was able to what? -Your cadences.
You were able to bring you to the character.
-Ah, okay. -Sofia --
[ Imitating Spanish speaking ]
So, now let's deal with five seasons in, right?
Well, now the conversation attached to Sofia is different.
Well, you're now like one of the biggest actresses on TV
like in the conversation of television.
Even your price tag changed.
Like, we're talking about history now being made.
And as the seasons go on, well the conversation is different.
Your business --
-Well, just, you're saying it like it's so difficult.
Just say what you want to say.
-Well, I'm not saying like it's difficult,
I'm making sure that my audience is in on this journey, right?
I'm taking them on a journey. -Okay.
-So now we're going to the journey of business.
-Okay. You just want to ask me how much I made?
I made more than all the American people there.
-Wait -- -Well, Ed O'Neill was making
more money than me, but I made more than the rest.
-You made more than the rest. -Can you believe it,
Latin and sounding like this.
-Well, first of all, I wasn't going to ask you that,
but okay. Jesus Christ!
Talk about bragging right here on "Hart to Heart."
Jesus, somebody pick that up. -Oh, really?
I am the one that has a Corvette parked in front of the set?
-That's nobody's business! -I am the one?
Yeah. I am the one that lives in this wine cellar?
-Okay, alright. -I am the one drinking
this, whatever, $2 billion wine?
-That's not $2 million wine. That's a lie.
-And I'm the one bragging? Yes. Yeah.
[ Laughter ]
-Okay. So now,
of course it's one thing to make the money,
but it's another thing to be smart with the money.
Where did the ideas come from to start these businesses?
I mean, like for you to go and do the line --
I remember when there was conversation about your line,
and your line being available in Kmart,
which I thought was genius, right?
I was like, holy shit,
to understand how big the world is,
to understand that middle America
is the best part of America,
because those are the most people like responding.
What was it that made you say, "I want to go in this direction,
and this is what I'm going to focus on?"
-Well, you know what, that was even way before "Modern Family,"
so in the Latin market, I had my job at Univision,
but at that time in the '90s, I was making money,
but it wasn't really like mansion money or Corvette money.
No, it was money to survive
and to save for my son's college education,
and all that. It was okay.
But I always wanted to -- I always wanted more, you know?
I always wanted to create something for me,
for my son, for my family.
I went from Colombia, from a lot of problems,
to living in the United States.
I wanted to take care of all of them,
so I wanted to make money.
I love money.
[ Both laugh ]
-Okay.
-And then so I started making calendars.
The only thing that I could sell was really myself, you know,
at that time, 'cause I was young and fresh.
I started doing like calendars,
like January, February, all that.
-What? Do -- I'm sorry, January? Do January again.
-January, February.
-It's the same pose, just right to left.
You didn't really change.
Yes, I just want to let you know.
-So one of those, and I did really good.
-Okay, the calendar ends up being a big success.
-Yeah, it was a big success.
And so I started realizing I am the product,
and I can sell myself -- It sounds horrible to say --
-No, it doesn't. You're talking about your likeness.
-Yes, exactly. -And at the end of the day,
realizing your worth and realizing the value
of your likeness sometimes is overlooked
by a lot of people in the business.
So you catching this is dope as hell.
So what started out as calendars, then became?
-Became more and more stuff,
because for example, I knew that to be able --
Also, I always had a very good chemistry with girls,
like with woman fans, and they would always
since I'm young come to me when they would meet me
for a picture or something, was like,
Oh, what perfume are you wearing?
Oh, with what do you wash your hair?
Oh, with what is that lipstick?
Oh, where is this outfit?" And so it's always is like --
-Light bulbs started to go off. -They're always asking me
so I'm like, that's why I always wanted
to create all this, like,
I mean, I wanted to be like --
I mean, I wish I was like some kind of Martha Stewart,
the Latin, or, you know, it's like --
-You are, though. -That was always my idea,
my dream. I mean, I cannot even compare.
-But you -- But you are.
Like you -- Granted, Martha's success is her success,
but you're talking about somebody
who's really thriving in the business of commerce,
like creating products, selling product,
and successfully selling more product
and constantly building, well, you are.
So you don't have to say like, I want to try.
I think that's the dopest thing about
your road to monumental success
is that it compounded past the actress.
And acting isn't going to get us to the crazy place of wealth.
That's one tier. It's tapping into the things that you,
that you've done and that you did.
-But, well, but for example, I think now when I started,
well, "Modern Family" finished three years ago,
and I did it for 11 years, so I mean, 14 years ago,
not as many actresses had other businesses.
They were just actresses.
You could see one or two selling something,
but it was not like that.
And because I was coming from the Latin market,
when I got the fame with "Modern Family,"
I mean, I knew I could be a person
for commercials, for example,
and then, you know,
what I thought that I could bring to the table
to someone was, for example, if you hire me,
you, in one day of shooting, you get it in Spanish,
you get it in English. -Ah. Yes. Okay.
-So why hire Kevin Hart that can only speak English...
-Hold on. -...when you can hire
Sofia Vergara in one day... -What the fuck
is happening, Sofia? -...do it in Spanish
and in English? -Yeah.
-So, you know? But you understand.
-Well, I do, but I don't feel like you have to use me
as an example of what not to hire, by the way --
-Well, you're here. Who else am I going to use?
-Well, I clearly speak both languages.
-Yeah. -So that's the one mistake
that you've made. We don't have to get into that.
But I do understand.
I mean, look, understanding the value in you,
understanding the value that you bring to the product,
more importantly, creating it, is dope as fuck.
After the success behind creating it
and seeing revenue come in, you didn't get content.
You kept going. You kept creating.
And the idea of business, well, now is not an idea.
It's real, right? It's real.
You have a real business. You have a real infrastructure.
-Well, I think it's that when "Modern Family" hit,
I think me and Luis, my manager,
we had the infrastructure ready to keep working.
Like, I saw the rest of the cast, for example,
we would have five months off. We would shoot seven months,
and then five months,
we were off. -Okay.
-And they would all go to the five months to relax.
-Vacation, chill.
-And those five months, I would work, work, work,
work, work. And the main five, six years of "Modern Family,"
I didn't have like one day off.
I was like working, working, working, working, working.
And it paid off. I knew I had the energy,
and I knew -- You never know in our business.
One day, you're the queen,
then the next day, you say a bad joke, and you're done forever.
Have you said any bad jokes, by the way?
-Oh, that's -- I think that's none of your business, alright?
And that's like -- I think what we need to do
is focus on where we are, which is great.
-I mean, you're going to ask me all the questions,
and I cannot ask you one question?
-Well, no. So, I'm driving the goddamn car, alright?
So stay in the passenger seat
and put your seatbelt on and let's --
-Yeah, the Corvette. I know, you're driving the Corvette.
-Okay. This is ridiculous.
-How much was that car, huh?
-It's none of your business, Sofia, alright?
You know what? I don't know where you're going,
but you keep -- You take the car, and you make a right.
Right now, let's stop the car, and let's take a break.
Guys, we've got to go and pay some bills.
We'll be right back with more "Hart to Heart" after this.
-Welcome back to "Hart to Heart."
We're still here with Sofia Vergara, having a ball.
What I love about what you said is the work, work, work, right?
The idea of work, work, work, I think it comes
from understanding what it's like to not have anything.
-Yes. -And when you come from a place
that's considered to be the bottom
or considered to be a pretty tough environment,
leaving that environment and having the opportunity
to change, well, you don't want to look back.
So, the work, work, work, is engineered
and motivated from that.
I can respect that, because I understand that.
I come from the same thing.
What -- How bad was it where you were coming from,
like, when you talk about Colombia?
-I mean, I grew up in Colombia in the '80s
and, you know, the '70s and the '80s.
In the '90s, I went to Miami, like in the middle of the '90s.
Colombia was a very rough place because of narco traffic.
And,
you know, my brother was killed in Colombia in 1996.
I was already one year in Miami before that.
But Colombia was a difficult place.
And I moved out of Colombia because I knew
I wanted something different for me and for my son.
And it all worked out, but unfortunately,
like a year later, that happened to my brother.
And I had a -- I've had a difficult life.
I never usually sit down to think about it,
but when I talk about it and I say things that,
situations that I was in or that happened,
my husband, Joe, is like "Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
What? What did you just said?"
-Yeah, it's kind of mind blowing.
-It's like, "What did you just said?
That who was picked up in a bag,
in a plastic bag chopped in little pieces?
Who?" And stuff like that that I say, like experiences.
And that's when I notice is like, oh, my God,
I did. I have been through a lot of crazy stuff
that, I mean, I couldn't even tell you here,
because I don't know you that well, but --
[ Laughter ]
-Well, I feel like -- I feel like we do know each other.
I mean, that's why you're here, because we have a relationship.
So, a lot of this stuff, she's kidding.
Because we are like this, you and I,
which is a great thing.
Let's now get to the place of now, right?
You've had more success. After the show, you stepped out.
You then went and did a movie, and you were nominated,
and you're now winning awards on this side, right?
-You're making me sound like I'm some like --
I mean, I still have -- What?
-I'm trying to -- 'cause you're like --
-Okay, what, you're making fun of my accent now?
-No, you're trying to make it seem like I'm lying?
What am I saying that's not true?
-I think you're exaggerating.
-Okay, so what did I say that isn't true?
-But when you say it --
-What did I say that isn't true?
Have I lied? -No.
-Have I falsified anything? -No.
-Am I dealing with facts? -Yes.
-Okay, so then what are you talking about?
-Well, because when you put them all together,
they sound really exaggerated.
[ Laughter ]
-I just asked, I said,
am I telling the truth and you told me, yes.
I said are these facts? You said, yes.
And then you said when I put them together,
they sound exaggerated.
Sofia, that doesn't make any sense. Okay?
Okay, what I'm doing is telling you about you,
and this is the amazing part about you
and where you are. Like, it's exciting.
And I told you this show was about flowers.
It's about uplifting the person that's sitting in this chair.
I mean, right now, that's a dope ass thing, to leave that --
-Well, I've never been in a show
that they're trying to get me drunk.
-Yeah, well, as you -- Okay. Alright.
Well, you know what? I'm going to fucking catch up.
-Where's your friend?
-Hold on. Hold on. He is coming.
Hold on. Will you wait for me?
Hold on. -Okay, look, look at this.
[ Laughs ]
-I can't leave her behind.
She's the one that's going to take me down right here.
Right here, I'm-a fuck around and shit myself right here.
Here's where it's going to happen. Because of Sofia.
You want to have a good time, then let's have a good time.
Okay, D? Don't worry about it. I got it.
Okay. Alright, what are you doing?
What are you trying to do?
That's enough. Jesus. -I mean,
this is really good stuff.
-It is good stuff. -Yeah.
-By the way -- -Thank you.
-Thank you, D. -You're very welcome.
-This is such a good conversation,
not only because we're having fun,
but because this is what you are. Right?
This is who you are. Ladies and gentlemen,
we're going to take a quick break.
We got more "Hart to Heart" coming back after this.
-Welcome back. This is "Hart to Heart,"
and I'm still speaking Spanish...
[ Imitating Spanish speaking ] ...to Sofia Vergara.
Alright, so, Sofia, what else do you want to do,
like, at this point in your career?
Like you've done so much.
What else is on the horizon or the want?
-You know what? It's funny because I never
really, like, plan too much
because I let the opportunities, you know --
I feel like I need to be ready for the opportunities.
That, I am, always, because I feel like
what is there to lose in our business?
It's not like we're doing brain surgery
that we can actually kill somebody.
Or, I mean, well, I guess for you it's more difficult now
because now you can be -- you have to be very --
with what you say, right, for your shows and all that?
-There's a climate where you need to be careful.
You need to be understanding and present
and mindful of the climate. -Yeah. Exactly.
Is that hard for you?
-No. I mean, I'm pretty easy
when it comes to the world of adapting.
I don't need to attack or bash.
-It kind of has lost all the fun a little bit, no?
-I think it depends on how you look at it, right?
I look at it through two different lenses.
I think the idea of being a little more present
and understanding of people's feelings
was needed and necessary. -Yeah, for sure.
-I think for a long time, we've overlooked
how hurtful some words or some actions can be,
and I think what we've been through, it's definitely --
It's shined a light on a lot of things that you're like,
"Oh, damn, I can see how somebody would be hurt.
I can see how somebody would be fucked up from that."
You know what? I don't mind making those changes.
Moving forward, I will be more mindful.
I will be more aware. I'm all for that.
And I think there's another side of it
that's a little too sensitive
to where we've kind of lost the idea of fun.
-The fun, yeah. -And the lighthearted approach
to some things. Everything doesn't have to be
the hardest hit. -No, and not everything
has to be like an offense. -Absolutely, and I think
that's where it gets a little weird
that everything is perceived to be.
But you ultimately have to conform to the time of now.
So, change is good.
No matter how much, how little, change is good.
Ultimately, you want to change for the better,
and I think that I am.
And I think that we as people are all kind of grasping
the idea of what that is, and hopefully we all --
-I think we're still like doing like this, you know?
Everything has to find like a really good balance.
-Absolutely. -But like to answer
your question before,
I want to keep working. I'm 50.
I just did a series with Netflix that,
it was six episode, and I've never done anything like that.
I've never done an acting job like an --
-You play like a -- It's a serious role, yeah.
-Yeah, it's a very serious role, very intense.
She was a very bad woman.
-You had to be yourself.
-No, I had to be like my mother. No, I'm kidding.
-No, you had to be like who you, like --
-Who I really am? Yes.
Was it easy for me? -Yes, of course.
-I kind of looked -- Now I look deep --
-What's happening? What are you doing?
-I'm thinking, like no, I think --
-Well, why'd you start doing this?
-I don't know. I said like inside of me.
-Well, just say inside. You don't have to try
to get in yourself. What just happened?
You just tried to jump in your body.
Like, what are you doing?
What is this? "I think -- I'm trying to --"
Then you start doing this shit. What is this?
So, it was a drama, of course a different character.
-Very different. Very difficult. I had to --
-Did you like it, though?
-I liked it, but I now I kind of understand
why actors that are always like in those roles,
they kind of -- -Go a little crazy.
-It's too much. -Really.
-I had to, in every scene, had to cry, kill someone,
or hit someone
or say horrible things.
And it was -- And coming from 11 years of "Modern Family,"
that it was all like, you're cracking up on set.
You go home happy.
It's like here, it was like intense.
It was like six months of -- I mean, and then on top of that
I had to completely had, like, a transformation.
-Yeah. Did you take it home with you?
-The wig and the transform -- -No, no, the work.
Did you feel like you took the character home at times?
-Yes, totally.
Yeah, I was like in a very dark place.
I think I did a couple of things that I wouldn't have done
if I was not in -- I'm not going to tell you what they were,
but, like, something, behavior.
My behavior was weird. I know it,
because you're all day long doing that, for six months.
And I was in every single scene. So it was like exhausting.
-I want you to look into that lens,
and I want you to apologize to Joe right now.
-Why Joe? -Well, because
he didn't deserve that. -It wasn't to Joe.
-Well, whatever you did, I know Joe's the one that received it.
So you got to say sorry. -Well, yeah,
I didn't pay attention to him that much.
-Yeah, so say sorry to Joe.
-I'm sorry.
-Joe, see what I'm saying?
I know. See what I'm saying, Joe? We locked in.
-Yeah, but you don't pay attention to me
sometimes, too. -Okay, that's enough.
No, that's enough -- -Sometimes when I go
to the house and you're -- -Okay, that's enough.
Okay. Sorry, Joe.
Backfired. Backfired, Joe.
Backfired. Sorry, buddy.
[ Laughter ]
I fucking love Sofia!
Okay, this is just way too much fun. We're laughing too much.
So stop for a second so I can be responsible and take a break.
Guys, "Hart to Heart." We'll be right back.
Sofia Vergara. It's not going to get better,
it's going to get funnier. We'll see you in a second.
-Welcome back to "Hart to Heart."
Okay, so, Sofia, with this character,
here's a good question for you, right?
You're like okay, it was dark. It was a lot.
And you're like, "Man, I don't know."
Not that you didn't like it, but I didn't love it,
but did you go
and get someone that acted as like help for you
to really step into character? Did you just do it yourself?
Like, what was the preparation for that?
-No, I hired -- To be honest with you,
like I've never felt like I am like an actress,
because I never went to acting school.
I never really took classes, nothing.
I just jumped in. I moved to LA.
I said I'm going to do this. Let's see what happens,
and then it happened. Exactly. -Same. Same.
-But I never had -- So I've always, when I feel like --
when I hear real actors talking about acting and techniques
and things, I'm just like --
-Yeah. Yeah. By the way, same.
-Yeah. It's like it's weird.
-We didn't go through the same world of preparation.
We got better at our craft as we
got more opportunities, yes. -As you did things, exactly.
-So our schooling came within the live work
that presented itself, and then we naturally got better.
So as more opportunities came, alright,
well, I'm going to embrace this. I'm going to knock it out.
But you became a well-oiled machine because you got reps --
-Can you cry? -I can cry on the spot.
-Can you? -Yes.
-I --
-On the spot.
-Let me see. -I'm going to do it.
-Let me see. -You want to see it?
-Yeah. -Alright,
you better fucking buckle up.
-Let me see. -Here it comes.
-You look like -- -They have the air on.
Is the air on? -You look like
you're having like a seizure. -The air's on.
No, okay, does this look like a seizure?
Are you ready for this?
-Now you look constipated. -No. No,
no, 'cause you didn't let me finish.
-Okay. Finish.
-I don't want to do it. Listen, what I do want to do --
-Well, anyways, I didn't think I knew how to do it.
-You can do it. And on a serious --
-No, I know now that I can do it, but I didn't --
-'Cause you put yourself in the situation.
You put yourself in the situation,
you're going to cry because you're acting.
-I'm not a crier person.
I am a little bit weird.
Like I don't cry that much.
-[ Whistles ] -I am, yes.
Yeah, And I was very, very worried
that I was not going to be able to cry.
-Can I give you a true story, like seriously?
I'm joking around about playing like oh, yeah,
I can cry and just joking now -- -Because you can't cry.
-Well, I'm going to give -- Can you fucking listen to my story?
-Okay, but can you cry or not cry?
-I'm about to fucking tell you!
-Okay, tell me. Okay, go ahead, go on.
-Okay, I'm trying. -Okay.
-Alright, so we did the, this movie, "Fatherhood," right?
And "Fatherhood,"
a story about me with this little girl, father,
who had to overcome trials and tribulations
of taking on the responsibility of fatherhood
while not having the means to do it.
-Okay. -My wife died at the delivery,
and oh, my God, my life, right? -Okay.
-And the first scene, I'm with Alfre Woodard,
and this is like Day 12 of the movie, maybe.
And the whole shoot, I'm thinking about this day,
because of Alfre Woodard,
and I'm like polish, poise,
not just an actress, but you know --
-Like how are you going to get to that level
and not look like -- -How am I going --
because I know where she's coming in at,
and I need to make sure on this day, I'm prepared.
And I really, I just, I didn't know, and I said,
if I don't get lost in the scene,
I'm not going to be able to pull it off.
And on the day,
on the actual fucking day,
I tell the director, I said,
"Can you start off close, and we get it,
and then as we get wide, we know that we've got it?
Because I don't know how many times
I'm going to be able to get it."
-Yeah. -And I said
I have to get lost in the world of what Alfre does.
-Yeah. -Because I know
how she's going to come in.
And I really waited to see
what Alfre's performance was in the scene.
Alfre's performance made me fucking cry.
All of my tears came from what she did.
Her reaction to her daughter dying is what made me,
as the husband, cry. 'Cause I was in the hallway,
trying to be strong until the mother presented herself.
-Yeah, but those are things like, for example,
don't you think that they teach them in acting class --
-Yes, but we don't know that -- -We don't know those things --
-So we had to find a cheat sheet.
-So it's like crazy
and super scary. -That was my cheat sheet.
-Your chi chi? -Cheat sheet.
Like in other words, that's what I used.
I didn't want to say that.
I didn't want to voice that, but I was like --
-Chi chi? You didn't want to --
-Cheat. Sheet.
-Oh! Cheat sheet.
-What -- Don't -- I didn't fucking say it like that.
-I thought you said chi chi.
-No, cheat...sheet. Okay?
That's how I cheated.
God damn it, you want me to say it?
I fucking cheated, Sofia!
I mean, that's what she's trying to get me to say,
that I cheated. You think you're slick.
She wants me to say I cheated! Fine!
I cheated. I didn't do my homework.
-Well, I kind of cheated, too, because I really like,
I was, nobody really in the scenes was making me cry.
I was the one making people cry in that scene,
'cause I was a monster.
But I would try to remember --
It was horrible. And I think my son is here.
And I used to think,
the only thing that would make me cry was
that I would picture my son like in a horrible car accident.
-Yeah, something bad. -And that would make me cry.
-By the way, to you, not that she wants that,
but I swear to you, I mean this, I mean this --
-It was horrible. -Hand on the Bible --
-Because I would even picture my brother when he was shot,
and that didn't make me cry.
It was like, I'm like, oh, what am I going to do?
-Sofia, I swear to you, hand on the Bible,
hand on the Bible, I understand where you're coming from
because you're trying to use whatever you can
to get to that place.
And it's not that you're wishing bad on people
or that you're -- You're trying
to think of the darkest things to help you gravitate.
And by the way, this is because we're not in the space of know.
We're learning it in real-time.
But after you get in real-time and you understand it,
I will tell you now,
I know that it's more about pulling from the actors
or actresses that are around you to help you understand
the moment, embrace the moment.
And everybody plays a part in that.
It's not just you and your performance.
That's where your partners come into play,
and that's one thing that I did learn.
And my costars made me better over the time.
I was talking about Alfre Woodard there,
but then "The Upside,"
I was with Bryan Cranston and Nicole Kidman.
Like my serious roles that I've taken on,
I was surrounded by A-listers but that were fucking machines.
That's how you learn. -Yeah, when I was going
to do this role, I am a producer
on "Griselda," on the show. -On the show. Good for you.
-And I wanted,
I mean, I made sure that all the actors --
We speak Spanish and English at the same time in the show.
And of course, this is a real-life story.
This is a woman that existed in Miami and LA.
It was Griselda Blanco, and so I made sure
that they were the best actors in Latin America.
And I couldn't let anyone tell me, oh, let's put this girl
because somebody knows her. I'm like, no,
I knew I had to surround myself with the best people.
And that is super important because --
-How does that make you feel,
knowing that you're creating opportunities for your people,
your culture, right? Like from where you come from,
being able to go back and say, hey, guys, I've made it.
I have this tremendous amount of success,
but now I want to act as a bridge,
as a gateway, to bring more talent through.
Have you thought about that? Have you processed that?
-Well, I think, I guess,
I didn't used to think about that that much,
but it was so amazing when I was able to produce "Griselda"
and be able to make those decisions, you know,
how I wanted, who I wanted.
It was special, because you feel like, oh.
And I think for example,
there were, most of the series is Latin American actors
but there is, it's in English, and I know this is going to
maybe change the life of these actors.
-Absolutely. -And that's super exciting.
One of my cousins is in the show, too, and she's amazing.
-Good for you. -She did an amazing job.
-I think that's the bigger side of winning, right?
-Yes, helping other people, yeah.
-Absolutely. 'Cause it starts off as us, right?
Like we want the opportunity. We want the moment.
We want the star. We want the light.
And then after you get it, there's a moment,
and I will say for some, not all,
but for some, and I know I'm one of the people
that I'm speaking on behalf of, and obviously you are, as well,
where you want other people to feel that.
You want other people to have the moment
or have the success or have the opportunity --
-And the more you give, the more you get.
-Absolutely. -That is for sure.
-Absolutely. Good for you.
-Yeah. Have you bought your wife one of those cars that you like?
-I don't understand how we got here.
What just happened? -I'm just asking,
have you bought her one? -Yeah, no,
well, here's my question -- -A Corvette.
Or you have her like in a little --
-Well, before we get there,
can I just ask you a question? -What?
-We were clearly talking about the show,
and we were talking about opportunities for others,
and somehow you were like, did you buy your wife that car?
-Well, 'cause you were talking about you give --
and I just suddenly thought, it was like,
does the wife have one of those cars?
-Okay, so first of all -- -Or you've got her a van?
-What? -Like --
[ Laughter ]
While you're in the sexy car outside.
-No, that's not her thing. That's my --
-Do you let her touch it? -No.
-Why not? -Because that's my stuff.
I collect cars. That's my hobby.
-So what does that mean?
-I just told you what the fuck it means. It's mine.
I don't touch her stuff. Like she has stuff and --
-Yeah, but why would you touch her earrings and her shoes?
That would be a bit weird. -Well, that's her stuff.
That's her stuff. -But her wanting to touch
your car is totally normal. What?
-Joe doesn't have stuff that's considered to be his?
-Yes. -Alright, are you allowed
to touch his stuff? -I touch it
when he's not looking. [ Laughter ]
-That's not -- That's not --
Hold on. What the fuck is happening here today?!
Guys?
We do not have a laugh track!
Okay, what do you mean you touch --
Like Joe's stuff should be Joe's stuff.
-It is Joe's stuff.
-Well, don't touch his stuff when he's not looking.
-He doesn't even notice that I touch it.
-No. -It's not like I touch it,
and I put it in a disorganized way.
-You put it right back. -I put it back exactly.
-I don't understand what's happening.
I really don't understand what's happening.
Okay, my stuff is my stuff, and that's how it should stay.
You -- Stop. Guys, we're going to take a quick break
so she can understand why my stuff is my stuff.
We'll be right back with more "Hart to Heart" after this.
-Welcome back, guys. This is still "Hart to Heart."
We're still talking to Sofia.
So, Sofia, in our house we had an agreement,
and this is going to make you laugh.
And I want to know what your side of this is.
So, we had an agreement, and there were certain rooms
in the house that were supposed to be mine.
I lost every room.
Every room eventually got taken over by the kids
and/or my wife. I have nothing.
I asked for the garage to never be tampered with or touched.
So I made the garages like my fucking, my rooms,
and it's like a nice little trophy case --
-Like a man cave. -Trophy case for the cars.
Just let the cars be in there. Don't touch them.
I cover them up, throw -- That's my space.
-But that's your thing, the cars.
Well, where else are you going to fucking keep the cars
but in the garage? Why are you complaining about it?
It's like what, you were going to put them in the bedroom?
-She took everything else from me --
-And where were you going to put the cars but in the garage?
-I don't fucking know, Sofia!
-So what are you complaining about?
What has she done wrong?
It's like, what other things she took away from you?
-Nothing, Sofia. -Are you going to have rims
as coffee tables?
What?
-I mean, this is how it happens, right here.
This is how it happens, in real time.
-You're making no sense.
But this is the thing.
My husband plays "Dungeons & Dragons."
-Okay. -You know what that is?
-Yes. -It's a very complicated game.
-Okay, first of all, it's "Dungeons & Dragons."
It's not rocket science.
-It is kind of rocket science, I'm sorry.
-You don't even play it. He plays it.
-Exactly. I don't play it
because I know I don't have the capacity to do it.
I hear them. It's crazy.
They play like for eight hours. It's super intense.
Like my husband is the Dungeon Master,
so he has to do a lot of work,
and it's amazing.
-I don't think you should be talking about this. Okay?
Joe don't want this out there. -No, he does.
-No, he don't want people knowing he's the Dungeon Master.
-Why not? It's super cool.
-No, it's not! It's not super cool.
-Oh, I'm going to invite you to my house,
and you're going to see.
-No, I don't want to see.
[ Laughter ]
I don't want to fucking see it.
-Listen, it's great. I love that he does "Dungeons & Dragons."
I mean, he could be doing "hoo-kurs"
and gambling in Vegas.
It's better. -Okay. First of all, it's --
-It's called hookers, okay?
You just called it "hoo-kurs."
[ Laughs ]
I like that he has a thing.
I like that you know he has a thing.
-Exactly. -Every man needs a thing.
-Yeah. -We need a thing.
What's your thing?
-I have many things. -Give me one.
-I love handbags. I love decorating.
I love going to lunch with my girlfriends, you know.
-It's like your stuff. -Stuff, yeah.
-It's like just your stuff.
-Yeah -- No, I share it.
-With? -Him...?
-What? [ Both laugh ]
-No, that's your stuff!
That's your stuff! That's my point.
That's my car. Or my cars. That's all I want.
-Okay, I get that, but you're complaining
about something like absurd, that she took over the house,
like and didn't let you get the cars inside the house.
-Okay, does Joe have like a man cave and like a space?
-Yes. -Do you go in it?
-And I help him build it. I help him --
Actually, you're not going to believe it,
but today we're moving to a new house. Today.
I should have canceled you. But I was --
I was -- I'm in the middle of a move today.
I'm in the middle of a move.
And I'm here drinking wine with you, talking shit.
-Yeah. Well, I mean, because of our relationship, Sofia.
-Okay, it wasn't that good,
like to me leave in the middle of a move...
-Yeah. -...to come here.
-It fucking was, Sofia!
That's why we're having such a good time
while the people are going to watch this
and be blown away at this rapport.
Congrats on the move, though. I love it.
-It's been horrific, but okay.
-Before we get to a point of wrapping up, alright,
I have to go to a place of like dope, right now.
Every show, every episode, the beauty of how I end
is like in a way where a person can just simply understand
like the great thing of what this does.
People have seen you. People are fans of you,
and they've heard you talk, but a lot of times, people
don't get to see you with your shoulders down.
They don't get to see you where you're comfortable
and you're relaxed, right?
Things are always done in the world of promotion, marketing.
There is nothing attached to this.
This is like some genuine fucking --
-I don't know what you're talking about
because I am always like this.
-Okay. Well, you're not,
'cause you're more comfortable with me than anybody else.
-Okay. Well -- -Well, you're going
to fucking acknowledge that. -Okay, I'm going to acknowledge
that you gave me two glasses of wine. Yeah,
that's why I'm more comfortable. But I'm usually like this.
-You're comfortable because you fucking love me,
and I love you back, and that's it.
And that's what we're going to stand on, alright?
-Okay. -God damn it, Sofia.
Jesus Christ.
What I do want to say, though -- I'm happy for you.
And I'm not happy because of the money,
I'm happy because of your happy.
I'm happy that you've come from where you've come from
and you figured it out.
You found a way to create new and give your now family
an opportunity for a different road.
-But look at you, too. We've come far.
-Yes. -We're minorities.
-Yes. -We didn't have the chances
that everybody has. -Yes.
-It's like we are an example of you can do it if you want to.
I mean, even someone that sounds like me
or someone that looks like you,
we can make it, you know?
[ Laughter ]
We can make it.
We can make it if we work hard. If we work hard.
-Yeah. I feel like -- I feel like it was better on --
I feel like you got the better of the ending.
I feel like your wrap-up was probably,
was just more in favor of you, but I get it.
I think I get the -- I think I get the point.
Ladies and gentlemen, if you want to know
why "Hart to Heart" is special,
it's because of moments like this.
It's because of what the wine and the conversation does,
more importantly, what the world of transparency, authenticity,
and just dope conversation does.
Sofia, I love you. -Thank you for having me.
I love you. -I appreciate you.
Ladies and gentlemen, Sofia Vergara.
This is "Hart to Heart." Thank you.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my fucking God.
**
-That car outside is insane.
-When I tell you, Sofia -- -Let me touch it.
-No. [ Laughter ]
Guys, can I tell you?
Just, can we please let her know
how fucking great was that episode just now, guys?