1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,504 - And you could just-- you could style your bonnet, did you know that? 2 00:00:03,504 --> 00:00:06,507 If they're big enough, you can style it. You can, like, put it to the side. 3 00:00:06,507 --> 00:00:08,550 - Yeah, exactly. - You can make it big. 4 00:00:08,550 --> 00:00:11,386 You can put in a ponytail 'cause it's super, it's super big. 5 00:00:11,386 --> 00:00:12,721 So, you can like. 6 00:00:12,721 --> 00:00:14,515 - You can ponytail your bonnet. 7 00:00:14,515 --> 00:00:15,974 - Revelation! - You can ponytail your bonnet. 8 00:00:16,725 --> 00:00:18,894 TRACEE ELLIS ROSS: Every kink, curl, and coil 9 00:00:18,894 --> 00:00:22,272 in a Black woman's crown has a hair tale. 10 00:00:22,272 --> 00:00:23,232 Who did your hair? 11 00:00:23,232 --> 00:00:25,609 OPRAH WINFREY: So, that hair journey started on the porch 12 00:00:25,609 --> 00:00:27,361 with my grandmother braiding my hair. 13 00:00:27,361 --> 00:00:30,405 TRACEE: We created a place for us to gather our stories. 14 00:00:30,405 --> 00:00:32,573 - I never know what my hair will do. 15 00:00:32,573 --> 00:00:36,662 TRACEE: Honoring our identity, culture, beauty, and humanity. 16 00:00:36,662 --> 00:00:37,871 - Braided. - Locks. 17 00:00:37,871 --> 00:00:39,331 PERSON 1: Cornrows. - Twist-out. 18 00:00:39,331 --> 00:00:40,499 PERSON 2: Hot comb. PERSON 3: Relaxed. 19 00:00:40,499 --> 00:00:42,125 PERSON 4: Any style you want. 20 00:00:42,125 --> 00:00:43,460 Big. PERSON 5: Versatile. 21 00:00:43,460 --> 00:00:44,503 PERSON 6: Lush. - Beautiful. 22 00:00:44,503 --> 00:00:46,296 PERSON 7: Resilient. - Hair. 23 00:00:46,296 --> 00:00:48,048 - What version of myself do I wanna be? 24 00:00:48,048 --> 00:00:50,133 - You do not need hair to wear a crown. 25 00:00:50,133 --> 00:00:50,759 - Whoop! 26 00:00:50,759 --> 00:00:52,261 - My hair is already laced, so. 27 00:00:52,261 --> 00:00:53,428 [both laughing] 28 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,264 TRACEE: I'm Tracee Ellis Ross. 29 00:00:55,264 --> 00:00:58,183 Join me as we celebrate the truth of who we are 30 00:00:58,183 --> 00:01:01,228 through the wondrous world of our hair. 31 00:01:01,228 --> 00:01:04,189 ♪ upbeat music playing ♪ 32 00:01:07,568 --> 00:01:09,570 You have always been-- 33 00:01:10,988 --> 00:01:14,241 [Tracee laughs] - Have always been what? 34 00:01:14,241 --> 00:01:15,659 [laughs] What? 35 00:01:15,659 --> 00:01:21,248 - You've always been such, um, a bright light, a deep soul. 36 00:01:21,248 --> 00:01:25,169 And, and I've watched you become 37 00:01:25,169 --> 00:01:29,006 the young woman that you were. 38 00:01:29,590 --> 00:01:30,966 Yeah. - Yeah. 39 00:01:30,966 --> 00:01:31,967 No, thank you so much. 40 00:01:31,967 --> 00:01:34,845 I mean, I never really had a chance to really sit down 41 00:01:34,845 --> 00:01:37,389 and have this type of conversation 42 00:01:37,389 --> 00:01:40,350 about... just hair and, like, your journey 43 00:01:40,350 --> 00:01:42,978 and... it's, it's really cool. 44 00:01:42,978 --> 00:01:44,354 ♪ 45 00:01:44,354 --> 00:01:47,691 TRACEE: Marsai Martin is one of the brightest young stars in Hollywood. 46 00:01:47,691 --> 00:01:49,985 - Hey, y'all. Marsai Martin here. 47 00:01:49,985 --> 00:01:53,238 TRACEE: The definition of big boss energy. 48 00:01:53,238 --> 00:01:56,867 Wise beyond her years, Marsai knows what she wants. 49 00:01:56,867 --> 00:01:58,911 - You are the executive producer 50 00:01:58,911 --> 00:02:00,412 of this movie. - Yeah! 51 00:02:00,412 --> 00:02:01,997 - You have a new production company, Genius. 52 00:02:01,997 --> 00:02:03,207 And like a boss! 53 00:02:03,207 --> 00:02:07,836 TRACEE: She runs wild with imagination and agency. 54 00:02:07,836 --> 00:02:12,049 Her future is now free for her to decide. 55 00:02:12,424 --> 00:02:15,427 Marsai is Freedom's Heir. 56 00:02:16,970 --> 00:02:20,432 Michaela Angela Davis joins this conversation. 57 00:02:20,933 --> 00:02:24,061 Hi. - Hello. [giggles] 58 00:02:24,061 --> 00:02:25,521 - We're gonna get the name thing outta the way. 59 00:02:25,521 --> 00:02:27,523 MARSAI MARTIN: Yes. - What is your full name? 60 00:02:27,523 --> 00:02:30,692 - My full name is Caila Marsai Martin. 61 00:02:30,692 --> 00:02:32,444 Of course, you guys know me as Marsai Martin, 62 00:02:32,444 --> 00:02:34,071 but my real name is Caila. 63 00:02:34,071 --> 00:02:36,365 - That's what my family calls me, Caila. 64 00:02:36,365 --> 00:02:38,784 - Okay, yeah, 'cause your name's Michaela. - Michaela-- 65 00:02:38,784 --> 00:02:40,452 MARSAI: Yeah! - But only my family. 66 00:02:40,452 --> 00:02:41,912 - Right, same here. MICHAELA ANGELA DAVIS: Caila. Okay. 67 00:02:41,912 --> 00:02:43,455 - I call you Caila... MARSAI: Yes. 68 00:02:43,455 --> 00:02:46,208 - ...which is the way you were introduced to me... MARSAI: Yes. 69 00:02:46,583 --> 00:02:48,377 - ...when we first met when you were-- 70 00:02:48,377 --> 00:02:50,087 - Like... nine? TRACEE: Nine? 71 00:02:50,087 --> 00:02:51,922 MARSAI: Yeah, eight or nine. At nine for sure. 72 00:02:51,922 --> 00:02:53,966 - Nine years old and you are now 17. 73 00:02:53,966 --> 00:02:56,552 - It's been a minute. Yeah. - It's been a minute. 74 00:02:56,552 --> 00:02:57,928 - Who did your hair? 75 00:02:58,262 --> 00:03:01,390 - My mom always, always did my hair 76 00:03:01,390 --> 00:03:04,810 when I was younger, back in my Dallas, Texas days. 77 00:03:06,645 --> 00:03:08,647 She would do different twist-outs, 78 00:03:08,647 --> 00:03:13,068 and the deep conditioning Sundays and, like, all, all the above. 79 00:03:13,068 --> 00:03:17,281 But my mom is my, my main caregiver when it comes to my hair. 80 00:03:19,324 --> 00:03:22,452 I lived in a small town called Little Elm, Texas. 81 00:03:22,452 --> 00:03:25,455 It was, literally-- It was so small that it was, like, 82 00:03:25,455 --> 00:03:28,876 my gas station, my school, and then my house. 83 00:03:28,876 --> 00:03:30,377 It was really, really small. 84 00:03:30,377 --> 00:03:32,462 TRACEE: There were no other houses? - There were other-- 85 00:03:32,462 --> 00:03:33,755 [all laughing] 86 00:03:33,755 --> 00:03:35,883 - My house. MARSAI: There were, like, other houses, 87 00:03:35,883 --> 00:03:38,385 but probably each person in that house went to my school. 88 00:03:38,385 --> 00:03:40,012 Like, we all kinda knew each other. 89 00:03:40,679 --> 00:03:42,931 And my great-grandmother lived with me. 90 00:03:42,931 --> 00:03:44,975 And then my mom's mom lived with us as well. 91 00:03:44,975 --> 00:03:48,896 So, I've always grew up around just women in my life 92 00:03:48,896 --> 00:03:49,897 and my dad. 93 00:03:50,397 --> 00:03:52,608 - And I had the honor of knowing her... 94 00:03:52,608 --> 00:03:53,817 - Yes. - ...her grandma as well. 95 00:03:53,817 --> 00:03:55,694 MARSAI: My, my grandma, before she passed, 96 00:03:55,694 --> 00:03:56,820 she was such a joy. 97 00:03:56,820 --> 00:03:59,573 Like, she was, like, the definition of, like, switchin'. 98 00:03:59,573 --> 00:04:03,493 She would wear... [chuckles] wigs 99 00:04:03,493 --> 00:04:07,039 and you would just see wigs everywhere. TRACEE: She was done. 100 00:04:07,039 --> 00:04:09,541 - She was done to the T. 101 00:04:09,541 --> 00:04:13,670 My, my mom usually had the same type of hairstyle with her, with her, uh, curl. 102 00:04:13,670 --> 00:04:15,047 She has a lighter hair tone than me, 103 00:04:15,047 --> 00:04:18,592 but it was, like, different, different curl styles. 104 00:04:18,592 --> 00:04:22,221 Yeah, they were for sure, like, inspo in my life, all the way. 105 00:04:23,138 --> 00:04:25,140 ♪ 106 00:04:33,649 --> 00:04:37,194 - My mom would come to school on Picture Day to redo my hair 107 00:04:37,194 --> 00:04:40,113 'cause she knew, recess, that we were gon' mess it up, 108 00:04:40,113 --> 00:04:42,783 so my mom would come with a curlin' iron... 109 00:04:42,783 --> 00:04:44,409 - Wow. - ...and redo our hair. 110 00:04:44,409 --> 00:04:47,788 And she would bring our clothes, too. - My mom, before Picture Day, 111 00:04:47,788 --> 00:04:48,997 always burnin' my forehead. 112 00:04:48,997 --> 00:04:50,707 - Oh no. DANEHSIA: Really? My mom-- 113 00:04:50,707 --> 00:04:52,584 - I just had that, that swoop over the eye. 114 00:04:52,584 --> 00:04:55,254 - Yes, to hide it. - Block that burn mark from the flat iron. 115 00:04:55,254 --> 00:04:57,214 - My mom would give me two ringlet curls, 116 00:04:57,214 --> 00:04:59,716 and then she would put the rest of my hair up on a-- um, in a bun. 117 00:04:59,716 --> 00:05:01,927 She would-- It-- My mom was ready to go. 118 00:05:04,137 --> 00:05:09,768 - I always joke that hair is, is like a map of the, the Atlantic ocean, right? 119 00:05:09,768 --> 00:05:12,646 We have Africa on one side, there's Europe in there. 120 00:05:12,646 --> 00:05:14,064 There's the indigenous parts. 121 00:05:14,064 --> 00:05:18,485 Hair has many different textures, just even in one space. 122 00:05:18,485 --> 00:05:22,948 And so, it just is reminiscent of the good history, the bad history. 123 00:05:22,948 --> 00:05:24,992 It all sort of unites in hair. 124 00:05:24,992 --> 00:05:26,952 ♪ 125 00:05:33,208 --> 00:05:34,793 - Of course, when I started in Texas, 126 00:05:34,793 --> 00:05:37,754 I started out, like, literally just my natural hair only. 127 00:05:37,754 --> 00:05:40,215 Throughout the weekends, my mom would just twist it out 128 00:05:40,215 --> 00:05:44,511 and have it be ready for, like, the next couple days of, uh, school. 129 00:05:44,511 --> 00:05:46,054 - You know what I think of? 130 00:05:46,054 --> 00:05:47,681 - What? - I think of the video of you 131 00:05:47,681 --> 00:05:50,142 singing the Beyoncé song. MARSAI: Oh yes! 132 00:05:50,142 --> 00:05:53,312 - Ohh! Yes. MARSAI: Literally that. That's, like-- 133 00:05:53,312 --> 00:05:55,731 That whole meme of a video. 134 00:05:55,731 --> 00:05:58,233 ♪ Come on, baby, it's you ♪ 135 00:05:58,233 --> 00:06:00,652 ♪ You're the one that gives your all ♪ 136 00:06:00,652 --> 00:06:03,488 ♪ You're the one I can always call ♪ 137 00:06:04,156 --> 00:06:07,242 That's how my hair was 24/7. 138 00:06:07,242 --> 00:06:09,661 ♪ Love on top, ooh ♪ 139 00:06:09,661 --> 00:06:14,791 - Is there a pivotal moment in your life around hair 140 00:06:15,626 --> 00:06:18,045 that you could share with us? 141 00:06:18,045 --> 00:06:19,630 MARSAI: When my sister was born, 142 00:06:19,630 --> 00:06:23,759 I was wondering if she would have the same type of hair issues 143 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:26,512 or the hair journeys that I've been through. 144 00:06:26,512 --> 00:06:30,682 There's been levels, or even chapters, when it comes to my hair. 145 00:06:30,682 --> 00:06:33,977 I went to school with a lot of, a lot of white girls 146 00:06:33,977 --> 00:06:37,606 that just had, just simple blonde, straight hair. 147 00:06:37,606 --> 00:06:40,526 And every day, before recess, 148 00:06:40,526 --> 00:06:43,403 they would put water in their hair, like a cup of water, 149 00:06:43,403 --> 00:06:46,156 and then they would, like, do this to their hair. 150 00:06:46,156 --> 00:06:48,534 They would be all sleeky and glossy or whatever. 151 00:06:48,534 --> 00:06:51,578 And, and I would see that almost every single day. 152 00:06:51,578 --> 00:06:54,331 So, I thought my hair would look better like that, too, 153 00:06:54,331 --> 00:06:56,750 'cause I just saw other people doing that. 154 00:06:56,750 --> 00:07:00,170 TRACEE: Yeah. - So, one day, I was like, "Mom, 155 00:07:00,170 --> 00:07:01,922 I think I wa-- I want my hair straight." 156 00:07:01,922 --> 00:07:05,175 I didn't tell her the reason why I-- She, she was like, "Yeah, okay, sure." 157 00:07:05,175 --> 00:07:07,344 So, I get my hair straightened. 158 00:07:07,344 --> 00:07:09,555 - You got it pressed? - Yeah, I just got it pressed. 159 00:07:09,555 --> 00:07:11,431 Just, like, a little hot comb, and then-- 160 00:07:11,431 --> 00:07:12,850 - Did your mom do it or did you go somewhere? 161 00:07:12,850 --> 00:07:15,227 - My mom did it, in the kitchen. TRACEE: Okay. 162 00:07:15,227 --> 00:07:17,229 ♪ 163 00:07:20,357 --> 00:07:22,860 - When I went to school, all my little white friends 164 00:07:22,860 --> 00:07:24,695 had their little, long hair. 165 00:07:24,695 --> 00:07:26,780 So, I really started thinkin' I was one of them. 166 00:07:26,780 --> 00:07:27,990 Like, you know-- - Can we talk? 167 00:07:27,990 --> 00:07:30,200 - I had a real identity crisis. 168 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,537 I was not aware of myself bein' Black. 169 00:07:33,537 --> 00:07:35,497 - At what age? 'Cause I, I, I had the same. 170 00:07:35,497 --> 00:07:38,542 - So, I was-- that was-- I was five. - For me, it was the same. 171 00:07:38,542 --> 00:07:43,547 - I had, pfft... I'll say up until... at least sixth grade. 172 00:07:43,547 --> 00:07:44,631 - You and me both! ELIZA: Yeah. 173 00:07:44,631 --> 00:07:46,800 - And I think it's that mean middle school that we're talkin' about. 174 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,305 - Right? You know, it was just, like, certain things that kept me out the loop 175 00:07:51,305 --> 00:07:52,681 where I didn't feel Black. 176 00:07:53,307 --> 00:07:55,434 'Cause I used to love Barbie dolls when I was little. 177 00:07:55,434 --> 00:07:58,061 I came from the Barbie doll era, okay? 178 00:07:58,061 --> 00:08:00,981 So, I used to always look to the Barbie dolls 179 00:08:00,981 --> 00:08:02,900 as to how my hair should be. 180 00:08:02,900 --> 00:08:06,069 NARRATOR 1: You can get Beauty Secrets Barbie doll ready by pressing her back. 181 00:08:06,486 --> 00:08:09,656 NARRATOR 2: You can change Magic Curl's hair as often as you like. 182 00:08:09,656 --> 00:08:12,159 - If you watched The Brady Bunch, and I'm dating myself, 183 00:08:12,159 --> 00:08:14,369 but if you watched The Brady Bunch growing up, 184 00:08:14,369 --> 00:08:17,581 you knew that Marcia brushed her hair a hundred times a night, 185 00:08:17,581 --> 00:08:20,667 and that was supposed to be what you did 186 00:08:20,667 --> 00:08:23,921 for beautiful hair because Marcia was supposed to have this beautiful hair. 187 00:08:23,921 --> 00:08:25,839 We thought, "Well, we don't know a Black girl 188 00:08:25,839 --> 00:08:28,133 who's brushing her hair a hundred times a night." 189 00:08:28,133 --> 00:08:29,635 Our hair was supposed to be something bad. 190 00:08:29,635 --> 00:08:32,054 Our hair was supposed to be something that we wanted to change. 191 00:08:32,054 --> 00:08:33,639 We were like, "No, our hair is actually something 192 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:37,643 "that we've really come together to have a strong community around, 193 00:08:37,643 --> 00:08:40,270 and that there's strength in the culture." 194 00:08:43,273 --> 00:08:45,400 - You know, I had a plan in my mind 'cause I'm like, 195 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,195 "I'm-- My hair gon' be just as sleek as theirs." 196 00:08:48,570 --> 00:08:50,614 My mom specifically told me, 197 00:08:50,614 --> 00:08:52,699 "Do not do nothing to your hair 198 00:08:52,699 --> 00:08:55,577 'cause you-- If-- Shoot." - Shoot. 199 00:08:55,577 --> 00:08:57,412 - You know, like, you will-- - She, she said, "Girl." 200 00:08:57,412 --> 00:09:01,041 - "You will not look the same when you get back in this car." 201 00:09:01,041 --> 00:09:04,837 So, let me tell you, I went to school, 202 00:09:04,837 --> 00:09:09,007 I was laughin' with my friends, got a cup of water. 203 00:09:09,007 --> 00:09:11,885 Like, couple minutes go by, I'm talkin' to my friend on the swings 204 00:09:11,885 --> 00:09:14,638 and they like, "What's wrong with your hair?!" 205 00:09:14,638 --> 00:09:17,099 I'm like, "What?!" It's like. 206 00:09:17,099 --> 00:09:19,059 [laughing] 207 00:09:19,059 --> 00:09:23,146 "What's wrong with your hair?!" I'm like, "What are you talking about?" 208 00:09:23,814 --> 00:09:27,025 - You're like, "I did what you did!" - I did what you did. 209 00:09:27,818 --> 00:09:29,361 - Did you go look in the mirror and see your hair? 210 00:09:29,361 --> 00:09:31,196 MARSAI: Yes, I did. - And what did you think? 211 00:09:31,196 --> 00:09:34,032 - I remember going through just so many emotions. 212 00:09:34,032 --> 00:09:37,327 I felt embarrassed. MICHAELA/TRACEE: Mm. 213 00:09:37,327 --> 00:09:39,913 - I felt confused 'cause I was like, 214 00:09:39,913 --> 00:09:44,251 "Why isn't my hair doin' what theirs is doing?" 215 00:09:44,668 --> 00:09:48,338 I cried of embarrassment in the bathroom of, uh, my public school. 216 00:09:48,338 --> 00:09:51,967 - You know, it's funny 'cause we, uh-- I was laughing out of identification, 217 00:09:51,967 --> 00:09:54,720 'cause obviously, I have my story like that. 218 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,346 You have your story like that. 219 00:09:56,346 --> 00:10:00,225 But it's those moments when you had the realization... 220 00:10:00,225 --> 00:10:01,852 - Yeah. - ...and that the embarrassment, 221 00:10:01,852 --> 00:10:05,439 um, is us seeing ourselves in the mirror 222 00:10:05,439 --> 00:10:08,317 of... somebody else's idea of us... 223 00:10:08,317 --> 00:10:08,942 - That's right. - Right. 224 00:10:08,942 --> 00:10:10,319 - ...and how that matches up. 225 00:10:10,319 --> 00:10:12,988 Those are tough moments in our lives. - Right, for sure. 226 00:10:12,988 --> 00:10:14,698 - So, you spent the whole day poofed out? 227 00:10:14,698 --> 00:10:18,285 - Right, and my mom told me not to touch it. 228 00:10:18,285 --> 00:10:21,997 And... yeah, I'm, I'm gonna get in trouble. 229 00:10:22,206 --> 00:10:26,710 So, I get in the car. She didn't get mad. She definitely didn't get mad. 230 00:10:26,710 --> 00:10:29,004 She just explained what my hair does. 231 00:10:29,630 --> 00:10:31,173 I think for my mom, 232 00:10:32,132 --> 00:10:35,344 that was finally a thing to really explain what my hair is 233 00:10:35,344 --> 00:10:37,554 and what it is, uh, to me 234 00:10:37,554 --> 00:10:41,058 and how it's different from other hair types in the world. 235 00:10:41,058 --> 00:10:44,686 And just the people that I go to school with... 236 00:10:44,686 --> 00:10:48,482 MICHAELA: Mm. - ...versus my own 237 00:10:48,482 --> 00:10:52,986 identification of myself and the idea of what my hair is. 238 00:10:52,986 --> 00:10:57,491 For so long I've had this... this one look that I was so comfortable with 239 00:10:57,491 --> 00:11:00,452 and I knew that looked, that looked beautiful. 240 00:11:00,452 --> 00:11:03,914 It was, like, like, literally, a crown of mine that I was so proud of. 241 00:11:03,914 --> 00:11:06,333 And then finally switching my crown, 242 00:11:06,875 --> 00:11:08,502 it just was, like-- 243 00:11:09,253 --> 00:11:10,838 It was a weird check. 244 00:11:10,838 --> 00:11:12,798 - That's a lot in one day. 245 00:11:12,798 --> 00:11:14,842 - It is, it is. It is a lot in one day, 246 00:11:14,842 --> 00:11:17,386 but it was, like, very, very, very confusing. 247 00:11:17,386 --> 00:11:19,471 More, more confusing than embarrassment 248 00:11:19,471 --> 00:11:22,015 'cause I was like... "How, how did this happen?" 249 00:11:22,015 --> 00:11:26,395 All I did was put water in my hair like every other... girl in my school. 250 00:11:28,647 --> 00:11:31,358 - Do you wanna talk a little bit about your relationship with your parents, 251 00:11:31,358 --> 00:11:36,071 both of them and how they've allowed you, um, to find your way? 252 00:11:36,530 --> 00:11:39,157 MARSAI: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, if you, if you know my parents, 253 00:11:39,157 --> 00:11:40,409 they are so-- 254 00:11:40,409 --> 00:11:42,077 They're so connected to me. 255 00:11:42,077 --> 00:11:45,664 Like... growing up, they were always super hands-on. 256 00:11:46,665 --> 00:11:48,667 Then time went by, 257 00:11:48,667 --> 00:11:52,212 became an actress... we moved to LA. 258 00:11:52,588 --> 00:11:57,176 My dad moved first while my mom and I stayed here, 259 00:11:57,801 --> 00:12:01,763 and my dad was... sleepin' on couches, 260 00:12:01,763 --> 00:12:04,266 and trying to just make it by figuring out, 261 00:12:04,266 --> 00:12:06,643 like, the job situation to where, 262 00:12:06,643 --> 00:12:09,938 uh, we would, we would all be good when we moved over there. 263 00:12:10,314 --> 00:12:14,401 Yeah, and then, finally, both-- we all moved into an apartment. 264 00:12:14,401 --> 00:12:16,069 My dad would go to work. 265 00:12:16,069 --> 00:12:19,781 Me and my mom would drive two, like-- almost two hours 266 00:12:19,781 --> 00:12:21,617 to go to the Black-ish set. 267 00:12:21,617 --> 00:12:24,620 And this was, like, season one, season two. 268 00:12:25,704 --> 00:12:28,916 I don't know, it felt like a cool family unit. 269 00:12:28,916 --> 00:12:33,337 Like, best friends... now coworkers. 270 00:12:33,337 --> 00:12:37,007 And... I don't-- It just felt-- It felt very unique 271 00:12:37,007 --> 00:12:38,300 to be honest. TRACEE: It's very unique. 272 00:12:38,300 --> 00:12:43,347 They have really given you the space to be who you are. 273 00:12:43,347 --> 00:12:44,348 - Exactly. 274 00:12:45,307 --> 00:12:49,645 - Oh, test tubes! Like mother, like daughter. 275 00:12:49,645 --> 00:12:51,647 - Those aren't test tubes. - Oh. 276 00:12:51,647 --> 00:12:54,358 - I wanna work in advertising... like Dad. 277 00:12:54,691 --> 00:12:57,027 TRACEE: And so, it sounds like from a young age, 278 00:12:57,027 --> 00:12:59,696 you were already very specific about how you liked your hair. 279 00:12:59,696 --> 00:13:03,951 - Yes, but it was also, like, the only way I knew my hair could look. 280 00:13:03,951 --> 00:13:05,118 TRACEE: Okay. MARSAI: So, it was like, 281 00:13:05,118 --> 00:13:07,663 "Oh, this is, this is kinda like my uniform." 282 00:13:07,663 --> 00:13:09,248 But I loved it that way. 283 00:13:09,248 --> 00:13:13,585 Now that I'm in, like, an industry where, uh, when you're on any set, 284 00:13:13,585 --> 00:13:15,003 my hair was, like-- 285 00:13:16,171 --> 00:13:19,174 kind of, like, damaged going with, like, heat 286 00:13:19,174 --> 00:13:21,385 on my hair all the time. 287 00:13:21,385 --> 00:13:24,471 I'm very protective over my hair and so are my parents, 288 00:13:24,471 --> 00:13:27,558 so I love-- I-I like to feel safe 289 00:13:27,558 --> 00:13:30,018 that I know my hair's not gonna get damaged or messed up. 290 00:13:30,018 --> 00:13:33,313 So, uh, I do protective styles often. 291 00:13:33,313 --> 00:13:35,941 That's usually the reason why I'm in braids. 292 00:13:38,527 --> 00:13:41,113 KIM: In LA, hair is a different thing here. 293 00:13:41,113 --> 00:13:42,739 [all agreeing] I think LA was-- 294 00:13:42,739 --> 00:13:45,242 Feel like the last people to get into natural. 295 00:13:45,242 --> 00:13:50,080 We are very Hollywood, glamour, long... uh, television. 296 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:54,042 I'm a model, I'm an actress, now I'm a reality star, I'm an influencer. 297 00:13:54,042 --> 00:13:57,004 [indistinct chatter] Ah, ah, ah, we all of that. 298 00:13:57,004 --> 00:14:00,424 Back on the East Coast, like in New York, they were doin' that natural hair 299 00:14:00,424 --> 00:14:02,801 big back, you know, like, I wanna say 10 years ago, 300 00:14:02,801 --> 00:14:05,596 they were doin' a lot of amazing-- They had little natural hair salons 301 00:14:05,596 --> 00:14:07,097 and certain things like that. 302 00:14:07,097 --> 00:14:08,849 So then, I started seeing more natural hair 303 00:14:08,849 --> 00:14:11,059 when I would go outside of LA. [all agreeing] 304 00:14:11,059 --> 00:14:13,061 But LA was just a little different, you know? 305 00:14:14,730 --> 00:14:16,398 ♪ 306 00:14:20,152 --> 00:14:22,279 - Damn, dawg. I got it, trust me. 307 00:14:22,279 --> 00:14:26,783 - I was on a set where they did not have hair and makeup on deck. 308 00:14:26,783 --> 00:14:29,328 And I-- And I'd been on that set for so long, 309 00:14:29,328 --> 00:14:30,329 and it was super hot, 310 00:14:30,329 --> 00:14:32,664 and my edges were just liftin', liftin', and liftin'. 311 00:14:32,664 --> 00:14:35,000 And I've had the braids in for, like, a couple weeks, 312 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,835 and they just kinda puffed out. 313 00:14:36,835 --> 00:14:39,338 So, my dad's like, "I got you, I got you. 314 00:14:39,338 --> 00:14:41,256 Stay still, stay still." They just looked a mess. 315 00:14:41,256 --> 00:14:43,884 [Marsai squeals] DAD: Stop movin'. 316 00:14:45,302 --> 00:14:48,305 - It was really a crucial time for me to really understand my hair, 317 00:14:48,305 --> 00:14:50,265 and my dad definitely guided me through it. 318 00:14:50,265 --> 00:14:54,478 - You had a father that... that couch-surfed for you, 319 00:14:55,312 --> 00:14:59,024 that laid down your edges, and he didn't even know how. 320 00:14:59,024 --> 00:15:00,651 MARSAI: Yes. - That's love. 321 00:15:00,651 --> 00:15:04,112 - That is, that is love... for sure, um. 322 00:15:04,112 --> 00:15:05,489 He did terrible, 323 00:15:05,489 --> 00:15:08,408 but... it, it was love. [laughing] 324 00:15:08,408 --> 00:15:10,702 And I love the fact that he tried. 325 00:15:10,702 --> 00:15:13,038 - That's it. - 'Cause a lotta people, a lotta people don't. 326 00:15:13,038 --> 00:15:14,998 - So, you never relaxed your hair? 327 00:15:14,998 --> 00:15:15,916 - Never. 328 00:15:15,916 --> 00:15:17,251 - Okay. - Never. 329 00:15:17,251 --> 00:15:20,796 It felt like it was easier for me 330 00:15:20,796 --> 00:15:24,216 to just stick with what I know I'm comfortable with... 331 00:15:24,216 --> 00:15:26,426 TRACEE: Mm-hm. - ...which was just my natural hair. 332 00:15:26,426 --> 00:15:29,096 - Do you think your mama would've let you get a relaxer? 333 00:15:29,096 --> 00:15:31,265 And would you know to ask for that? - Mm. 334 00:15:31,265 --> 00:15:34,268 I think if I wanted it, we would talk about it. 335 00:15:34,268 --> 00:15:37,062 - Mm. Mm-hm. - But no. [laughs] I don't, I don't-- 336 00:15:37,062 --> 00:15:38,772 - She's like, "Mm-hm." MARSAI: Just start by sayin', 337 00:15:38,772 --> 00:15:42,568 no, I'm not hatin' on anybody who do got a relaxer, do you. 338 00:15:42,568 --> 00:15:45,028 But n-no. 339 00:15:46,780 --> 00:15:52,077 - Hair is often the dividing line in what is considered beautiful 340 00:15:52,077 --> 00:15:54,288 and it's still measured in many instances, 341 00:15:54,288 --> 00:15:56,748 even with a wonderful natural hair movement, 342 00:15:56,748 --> 00:15:58,709 in relation to whiteness. 343 00:15:58,709 --> 00:16:00,460 NARRATOR: I remember sitting in the kitchen 344 00:16:00,460 --> 00:16:03,797 for what seemed like all day while my mother did my hair. 345 00:16:03,797 --> 00:16:05,632 Today, it's a lot easier 346 00:16:05,632 --> 00:16:09,887 thanks to PCJ Original Formula Relaxer with Nutrient Sheen. 347 00:16:09,887 --> 00:16:13,015 DR. JOAN MORGAN: It becomes hard to tell what is our stuff, 348 00:16:13,515 --> 00:16:15,350 what is being put upon us, 349 00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:18,478 and certainly, it's still a way and a means 350 00:16:18,478 --> 00:16:21,732 to keep Black women out of certain circles 351 00:16:21,732 --> 00:16:24,568 and lower the glass ceiling for us. 352 00:16:24,568 --> 00:16:26,737 ♪ 353 00:16:27,654 --> 00:16:31,033 - My mom, she's always wanted me to embrace my natural hair 354 00:16:31,033 --> 00:16:33,869 and see what I can run wild with that, 355 00:16:33,869 --> 00:16:36,330 and-- - I feel like that's, like, the tagline for your book, 356 00:16:36,330 --> 00:16:37,623 that's your book. MARSAI: Right. 357 00:16:37,623 --> 00:16:38,790 Exactly. - Run Wild With That. 358 00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:40,209 - Run Wild With That. - Run Wild With That. 359 00:16:40,209 --> 00:16:43,086 - Marsai Martin-- ALL: Run Wild With That. 360 00:16:43,086 --> 00:16:44,463 [Tracee laughing] - Yes. 361 00:16:45,464 --> 00:16:47,466 ♪ 362 00:16:49,384 --> 00:16:50,886 TRACEE: You would come to rehearsals in your bonnet. 363 00:16:50,886 --> 00:16:53,305 - Yeah, I would, I would I would come to rehearsal just... 364 00:16:53,305 --> 00:16:55,098 - And, and Caila-- MARSAI: ...out there. 365 00:16:55,098 --> 00:16:57,601 - Caila loves an extra, extra, extra large bonnet. 366 00:16:57,601 --> 00:17:01,146 MARSAI: Abs-- Absolutely. [Tracee/Marsai laughing] 367 00:17:01,146 --> 00:17:02,814 They, they would be huge. 368 00:17:02,814 --> 00:17:04,691 - Like, way bigger than her head. 369 00:17:04,691 --> 00:17:09,279 MARSAI: Yeah, for sure. And they're amazing, they are top tier. 370 00:17:09,279 --> 00:17:11,698 - Top-tier bonnet. Top-tier bonnet. MARSAI: Yes! And you could just-- 371 00:17:11,698 --> 00:17:13,659 you could style your bonnet, did you know that? 372 00:17:13,659 --> 00:17:16,578 If they're big enough, you can style it. You can, like, put it to the side. 373 00:17:16,578 --> 00:17:18,580 - Yeah, exactly. - You can make it big. 374 00:17:18,580 --> 00:17:20,123 You can, you can put in a ponytail 375 00:17:20,123 --> 00:17:22,626 'cause it's super, it's super big, so you can, like-- 376 00:17:22,626 --> 00:17:24,378 - Okay, that's-- TRACEE: You can ponytail your bonnet. 377 00:17:24,378 --> 00:17:26,046 - You can ponytail your bonnet. MICHAELA: Revelation! 378 00:17:26,046 --> 00:17:28,340 ♪ 379 00:17:33,887 --> 00:17:35,389 WOMAN: Mm-hm. 380 00:17:35,389 --> 00:17:38,016 - Sometime, I put two bonnets on, honey. 381 00:17:38,016 --> 00:17:40,143 - See, I saw a meme, and it said, um, 382 00:17:40,143 --> 00:17:42,980 "A part of the Black experience is, like, wakin' up and wonderin' 383 00:17:42,980 --> 00:17:44,106 "if you have a headache, 384 00:17:44,106 --> 00:17:47,693 but then realizing your bonnet or your scarf was too tight." 385 00:17:47,693 --> 00:17:49,278 And that's really why I don't like to do it. 386 00:17:49,278 --> 00:17:51,446 Like, I say I'm lazy, but I just got a big head. 387 00:17:51,446 --> 00:17:53,282 And they're all too tight. It hurts. 388 00:17:53,282 --> 00:17:55,993 - I actually have about, like, five headscarves 389 00:17:55,993 --> 00:17:58,829 because I just-- I can't imagine a night without it. 390 00:17:58,829 --> 00:18:00,455 Yeah, I got a collection. Yes. 391 00:18:00,455 --> 00:18:02,708 I just hope, like, no fire in the buildin' that happens, 392 00:18:02,708 --> 00:18:05,794 I have to run out with my whole, you know, combination happenin', 393 00:18:05,794 --> 00:18:07,588 but it sounds like you're ready. - That's why you gotta have cute ones. 394 00:18:07,588 --> 00:18:10,674 - You gotta sleep cute! DANEHSIA: You stay ready. 395 00:18:10,674 --> 00:18:12,217 [laughter] [indistinct chatter] 396 00:18:12,217 --> 00:18:15,512 - That's right. In case I gotta run out in the middle of the night, I'm cute. 397 00:18:15,512 --> 00:18:18,640 I got the cute pajamas on and I got the cute bonnet. I'm ready. 398 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,058 'Cause, you know, firemen are cute. 399 00:18:20,058 --> 00:18:22,060 ♪ 400 00:18:24,396 --> 00:18:30,152 - I think the internal... struggle around texture is, 401 00:18:30,152 --> 00:18:33,697 "How do I keep it up? How do I protect it?" 402 00:18:33,697 --> 00:18:37,326 You know, because the texture is so rich and fine 403 00:18:37,326 --> 00:18:42,789 that if you don't invest in the upkeep, and... the maintenance, you know, 404 00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:45,667 you could certainly lose your glory. 405 00:18:45,667 --> 00:18:50,923 And so, I think that is, for me, the place of... what, 406 00:18:50,923 --> 00:18:56,220 you know, the question becomes is, "Okay, who am I without my hair 407 00:18:56,220 --> 00:18:58,722 and who am I with my hair?" 408 00:18:58,722 --> 00:19:03,227 And that, I think, is the place of freedom... for not just me, 409 00:19:03,227 --> 00:19:05,229 but I think for all Black women. 410 00:19:05,812 --> 00:19:07,814 ♪ 411 00:19:08,857 --> 00:19:11,318 - What was so fun about watching you 412 00:19:11,318 --> 00:19:12,861 is your hair flipping, 413 00:19:12,861 --> 00:19:16,406 and changing and becoming, like, girly then teeny-teen. 414 00:19:16,406 --> 00:19:20,661 And then, I loved watching your hair change with your moods 415 00:19:20,661 --> 00:19:22,496 and your attitudes and your outfits and-- 416 00:19:22,496 --> 00:19:27,751 - And I gotta give that to Araxi. Araxi, Araxi Lindsey, the queen. 417 00:19:27,751 --> 00:19:32,965 She, from, from the beginning, always, like, was the best collaborator 418 00:19:32,965 --> 00:19:35,342 when it came to my hair-- - Mine too. 419 00:19:36,510 --> 00:19:40,180 - Right, exactly, so she really knew what was up 420 00:19:40,180 --> 00:19:42,307 when it came to different styles and moods and all of that. 421 00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:44,476 And protecting my hair. 422 00:19:44,476 --> 00:19:47,771 She was the very first, like, real hairstylist that 423 00:19:47,771 --> 00:19:50,524 really cared about my hair and not just how, like, 424 00:19:50,524 --> 00:19:54,319 it looked to everyone else. - But the condition of it. 425 00:19:54,319 --> 00:19:56,905 The care... The hair care. [all agreeing] 426 00:19:56,905 --> 00:19:58,448 MARSAI: Mm-hm. - On a set. 427 00:19:58,448 --> 00:20:00,492 - Yeah, which, which was monumental. 428 00:20:00,492 --> 00:20:03,495 - Right, which was monumental, super rare. 429 00:20:07,416 --> 00:20:10,627 TRACEE: And I think she established something 430 00:20:10,627 --> 00:20:13,714 on our show that was real... 431 00:20:13,714 --> 00:20:15,674 MARSAI: Yes. TRACEE: ... for our characters. 432 00:20:15,674 --> 00:20:18,802 In terms of how Bow did her hair, you know, 433 00:20:18,802 --> 00:20:21,221 it was always a thing for me, too, that I was like, 434 00:20:21,221 --> 00:20:23,682 "This woman has five kids and she's a doctor." 435 00:20:23,682 --> 00:20:24,850 Like, what do you think she's going to get her hair 436 00:20:24,850 --> 00:20:25,893 done every week, get outta here. 437 00:20:25,893 --> 00:20:27,519 - Yeah. [laughs] - You know, her hair's in braids 438 00:20:27,519 --> 00:20:28,478 and then she leaves it alone, 439 00:20:28,478 --> 00:20:30,063 or whatever it was, you know? - Yeah. 440 00:20:31,773 --> 00:20:33,192 SHANIQUE: Natural hair, I think, is 441 00:20:33,192 --> 00:20:35,777 much harder to maintain than relaxed hair. 442 00:20:35,777 --> 00:20:36,778 - Exactly. - What? 443 00:20:36,778 --> 00:20:38,197 - Like, hands down. - Yes, yes. 444 00:20:38,197 --> 00:20:41,992 - It is. I mean, it all depends on how you feel comfortable 445 00:20:41,992 --> 00:20:43,994 wearing your hair, right? - It's a beautiful struggle, though. 446 00:20:43,994 --> 00:20:46,246 - If you wanna wash and go, you know, that's fine. 447 00:20:46,246 --> 00:20:49,124 But if you feel like you may need to two-strand twist, 448 00:20:49,124 --> 00:20:51,627 get it dry, then let it wait, then p-pull it out, 449 00:20:51,627 --> 00:20:53,504 and, you know, do the thing. 450 00:20:53,504 --> 00:20:55,839 I do think it's-- you know, takes a while. 451 00:20:58,091 --> 00:21:00,093 ♪ 452 00:21:01,803 --> 00:21:04,806 PAMELA FERRELL: I got a call from Julie Dash 453 00:21:04,806 --> 00:21:08,769 to design hairstyles for this movie. 454 00:21:08,769 --> 00:21:13,023 And when I finished, I said, "Okay, you know, I'm done." 455 00:21:13,023 --> 00:21:16,068 And the actresses were like, "What do you mean you're done? 456 00:21:16,068 --> 00:21:19,154 You, you can't, you can't just fix our hair and leave." 457 00:21:19,154 --> 00:21:21,698 And so, I ended up staying. 458 00:21:22,991 --> 00:21:27,329 The impact of Daughters of the Dust, when it came out, 459 00:21:27,329 --> 00:21:29,331 it wasn't surprising. 460 00:21:29,331 --> 00:21:33,168 I was honored to do the hair, uh, for that movie. 461 00:21:33,168 --> 00:21:37,005 The hairstyles were just so beautiful. 462 00:21:37,005 --> 00:21:39,299 Even today, when I look at it, you know, I'm like, "Oh my god, 463 00:21:39,299 --> 00:21:43,011 I did hand rolls on there. We did the [inaudible]." 464 00:21:43,011 --> 00:21:46,723 I just found different regions and areas in the world 465 00:21:46,723 --> 00:21:49,643 that I kind of duplicated those looks 466 00:21:49,643 --> 00:21:52,855 so that I could kind of be true to, um, hairstyles 467 00:21:52,855 --> 00:21:55,107 that women would've worn 468 00:21:55,107 --> 00:22:00,153 given an environment where they had time and they could celebrate their hair. 469 00:22:00,153 --> 00:22:02,823 It really empowered and uplift women 470 00:22:02,823 --> 00:22:05,033 to know that we can look like that. 471 00:22:09,913 --> 00:22:13,542 - My hairstylist, Alex, and my wardrobe stylist, Bryon, 472 00:22:13,542 --> 00:22:16,628 they kinda came up with this little style right here, so. 473 00:22:16,628 --> 00:22:18,255 - Mm, mm, mm, mm. 474 00:22:18,589 --> 00:22:19,798 Today... MARSAI: Yeah. 475 00:22:19,798 --> 00:22:22,176 - ...when you chose your hairstyle... MARSAI: Mm-hm. 476 00:22:22,176 --> 00:22:24,344 - ...did you think about it in advance? 477 00:22:24,344 --> 00:22:26,138 Were you like, "This is it"? 478 00:22:26,138 --> 00:22:27,222 MARSAI: Well, the more I grow up, 479 00:22:27,222 --> 00:22:32,477 the more whoever is doing my hair, I wanna, like, figure out what they see. 480 00:22:32,477 --> 00:22:35,480 - Mm-hm. - 'Cause, of course, I know being a hairstylist, 481 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,232 they have a journey for them as well 482 00:22:37,232 --> 00:22:40,360 and what they wanna present for whoever they're touching 483 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:41,486 and whoever their clients are. 484 00:22:41,486 --> 00:22:45,490 And just having that collaboration means a lot to me in creativity. 485 00:22:45,490 --> 00:22:47,117 So, it was definitely a mixed thing. 486 00:22:47,117 --> 00:22:49,286 Of course, if someone puts somethin' crazy in my hair, 487 00:22:49,286 --> 00:22:53,081 I'd be like... "No, not, not this. [laughing] 488 00:22:53,081 --> 00:22:54,249 Do somethin' different." 489 00:22:54,249 --> 00:22:56,668 But, yeah, I'm, I'm very collaborative. 490 00:22:57,336 --> 00:22:58,170 - Beautiful. 491 00:22:59,171 --> 00:23:01,173 ♪ 492 00:23:04,801 --> 00:23:06,845 - I'm curious, for you, what it's like 493 00:23:06,845 --> 00:23:10,682 when your own personal journey of growing up 494 00:23:10,682 --> 00:23:12,809 and learning how to express yourself 495 00:23:12,809 --> 00:23:14,853 intersects with your job. 496 00:23:14,853 --> 00:23:17,481 - There's definitely times where I feel like I had to mute myself 497 00:23:17,481 --> 00:23:19,483 because of the situations around me 498 00:23:19,483 --> 00:23:23,320 or, like, even my first times in different things, uh, 499 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,698 I felt like I had to be quiet or stay back 500 00:23:26,698 --> 00:23:30,577 to, uh, let someone else shine or take the beats. 501 00:23:30,577 --> 00:23:32,454 - What helped that change for you? 502 00:23:32,454 --> 00:23:34,957 - Just growing up and also, my parents as well. 503 00:23:34,957 --> 00:23:37,876 They've always instilled in me that I can just be myself 504 00:23:37,876 --> 00:23:43,590 and don't hide or shy away, um, my true self for... for anybody. 505 00:23:44,508 --> 00:23:45,968 Okay, it smells like something's burning. 506 00:23:45,968 --> 00:23:47,261 I think my hair's on fire! 507 00:23:47,261 --> 00:23:49,263 - You are crazy, Diane. 508 00:23:50,472 --> 00:23:51,098 [screams] 509 00:23:51,098 --> 00:23:56,436 I feel like it's important to talk about the hair episode of Black-ish. 510 00:23:56,770 --> 00:23:59,606 'Cause that was the first time where 511 00:24:00,357 --> 00:24:05,571 my real-life hair journey kinda came into a character, 512 00:24:05,571 --> 00:24:07,781 but their hair journey was different than mine. 513 00:24:08,282 --> 00:24:12,369 Diane, she goes into the salon to figure out 514 00:24:12,369 --> 00:24:16,915 any other, uh, styles or any other protective ways 515 00:24:16,915 --> 00:24:18,959 to figure out-- 516 00:24:18,959 --> 00:24:21,461 Just figure, just figure out what her next hair journey is. 517 00:24:21,753 --> 00:24:23,964 She goes through all these different experiences 518 00:24:23,964 --> 00:24:25,132 and then figures out like, 519 00:24:25,132 --> 00:24:27,342 "Hm, like, maybe I just stick with the perm 520 00:24:27,342 --> 00:24:29,553 and stick with... whatever, whatever--" 521 00:24:29,553 --> 00:24:31,555 - As if your-- As if Diane's hair 522 00:24:31,555 --> 00:24:34,183 has always been relaxed. - Like, as if, yeah, as if 523 00:24:34,183 --> 00:24:37,769 throughout the past seven years, at the time, being on the set, 524 00:24:37,769 --> 00:24:39,771 my hair has always been relaxed. 525 00:24:39,771 --> 00:24:41,648 - And as we stated earlier-- 526 00:24:41,648 --> 00:24:43,400 - I've never relaxed my hair. 527 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:44,943 TRACEE: Caila has never relaxed her hair. 528 00:24:44,943 --> 00:24:46,153 - Oh, that's complicated. MARSAI: Yes. 529 00:24:46,153 --> 00:24:51,200 - So, no one had expressed that they were utilizing Diane's story, 530 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,161 Caila's character, to really tell 531 00:24:54,161 --> 00:24:57,998 a universal story of Black girls and their hair. 532 00:24:57,998 --> 00:24:58,832 - Right. 533 00:25:00,334 --> 00:25:01,335 - What's wrong? 534 00:25:01,335 --> 00:25:03,128 - I'm never putting that stuff in my hair again. 535 00:25:03,128 --> 00:25:04,505 I am done with relaxers! 536 00:25:05,380 --> 00:25:07,382 - Are you havin' a hair freakout? 537 00:25:07,382 --> 00:25:13,305 - Can you articulate, specifically, what about the hair episode snagged you? 538 00:25:13,889 --> 00:25:16,975 - I, I think it's the fact that she, 539 00:25:16,975 --> 00:25:19,728 she had a relaxer throughout all the years. 540 00:25:19,728 --> 00:25:21,772 - Like all of a sudden, they were saying something. 541 00:25:21,772 --> 00:25:25,192 - Yeah, all of a sudden, they were saying something that, 542 00:25:25,859 --> 00:25:28,654 of course, it wasn't true, but it wasn't true about my character. 543 00:25:28,654 --> 00:25:31,615 It wasn't the way that I... based her as. 544 00:25:31,615 --> 00:25:33,492 - And it wasn't the way Diane had worn her hair. 545 00:25:33,492 --> 00:25:37,120 - Exactly. It definitely wasn't the way that I wore my hair at all. 546 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:39,998 It was just like, "Only for this episode, this is how it was gonna happen." 547 00:25:39,998 --> 00:25:41,124 And I'm like, "No." 548 00:25:41,124 --> 00:25:45,796 - So, it, it was bringing in two very opposing stories. 549 00:25:45,796 --> 00:25:47,339 - And, and let me, let me say, 550 00:25:47,339 --> 00:25:50,425 I have never been to-- the one to, like, 551 00:25:50,425 --> 00:25:52,344 be like, "Hey, fix this 552 00:25:52,344 --> 00:25:54,555 or, like, write this or figure this out." TRACEE: I don't wanna do this. 553 00:25:54,555 --> 00:25:55,556 - Like, I don't wanna do this. 554 00:25:55,556 --> 00:25:57,766 I have, I have never been that one. - No, that was me. 555 00:25:57,766 --> 00:26:00,310 [laughing] - That was-- It was a little bit of her. 556 00:26:00,727 --> 00:26:03,814 She was like, "Um, excuse-- What is this?" 557 00:26:03,814 --> 00:26:06,483 - Yeah, yeah, okay. - Like, it was, mm, you know? 558 00:26:06,483 --> 00:26:08,902 - That was not her role. - That wasn't, that wasn't my role. 559 00:26:08,902 --> 00:26:11,530 [laughing] But like, like I said, I'm not, I'm not one-- 560 00:26:11,530 --> 00:26:15,492 Well, now I am, especially being in this circle of producing, 561 00:26:15,492 --> 00:26:17,703 but back then, I was kinda like, 562 00:26:18,453 --> 00:26:20,873 "Mm, like, do I, do I say somethin', 563 00:26:20,873 --> 00:26:25,586 "or how, how do I say it to them that... that I wanna switch something 564 00:26:25,586 --> 00:26:27,087 and I wanna change something?" 565 00:26:27,087 --> 00:26:31,133 - For me, um... you know, makes me teary, 566 00:26:31,133 --> 00:26:33,218 but I felt very protective. 567 00:26:33,218 --> 00:26:35,846 But not to steal your voice... 568 00:26:35,846 --> 00:26:39,975 MARSAI: Mm-hm. - ...but to support you in using your voice, 569 00:26:39,975 --> 00:26:43,187 um, and exploring what it was that was making you uncomfortable. 570 00:26:43,187 --> 00:26:46,481 Like, try and express it, so that you can express it 571 00:26:46,481 --> 00:26:47,608 to the right people. 572 00:26:47,608 --> 00:26:49,443 We had a meeting with the producers. 573 00:26:49,443 --> 00:26:53,363 - Yeah, we did. - And what I said to Caila before 574 00:26:53,363 --> 00:26:56,074 is I said, "I will let you do all the talking, 575 00:26:56,074 --> 00:26:59,578 "but if you feel like you can't say what you're trying to say, 576 00:26:59,578 --> 00:27:01,997 give me a look and I'll try and step in." 577 00:27:01,997 --> 00:27:05,501 - And that was the first time I really felt, um, empowered 578 00:27:05,501 --> 00:27:08,837 to really step up and really say somethin' about 579 00:27:08,837 --> 00:27:11,924 something that I didn't realize was so deep in me 580 00:27:11,924 --> 00:27:15,427 to really explain in the proper way, which was hair. 581 00:27:16,136 --> 00:27:17,346 BOW: Wow. 582 00:27:18,722 --> 00:27:21,725 So... there's no wrong choice. 583 00:27:22,643 --> 00:27:25,270 Trust your instincts... and you got this. 584 00:27:25,729 --> 00:27:28,982 - Um, and then when we shot that one scene, 585 00:27:28,982 --> 00:27:30,609 do you remember it was my birthday? 586 00:27:30,609 --> 00:27:32,736 - It was your birthday. 587 00:27:32,736 --> 00:27:33,654 - It was my birthday. 588 00:27:33,654 --> 00:27:35,322 I wanted to stay with you. - Yeah. 589 00:27:35,322 --> 00:27:36,865 - Um, so, I just stayed on set. 590 00:27:36,865 --> 00:27:38,033 I just said, "I'm here. I'm just here." 591 00:27:38,033 --> 00:27:40,661 MARSAI: It was a whole thing. It was super sweet. 592 00:27:41,078 --> 00:27:42,412 As soon as we wrapped the episode, 593 00:27:42,412 --> 00:27:45,666 then I got hyped that Jill Scott was a, a guest star. 594 00:27:45,666 --> 00:27:48,544 [Tracee laughing] I was like, "Aye, [indistinct]." 595 00:27:48,544 --> 00:27:50,087 MICHAELA: Right. MARSAI: How cool is that? 596 00:27:50,087 --> 00:27:54,132 Uh, so, yeah, it was, it w-- it was a lot. 597 00:27:54,132 --> 00:27:55,926 TRACEE: You did a beautiful job. - Thank you. 598 00:27:55,926 --> 00:27:58,971 And now that I'm in my adulthood... 599 00:27:58,971 --> 00:28:00,848 - Oh, my God. - ...growing into my adulthood, 600 00:28:00,848 --> 00:28:03,767 I feel like that's essential to not shy away 601 00:28:03,767 --> 00:28:07,396 and just kinda find myself in these very crucial times. 602 00:28:11,525 --> 00:28:14,361 JESSICA CRUEL: Because this industry's been put on blast within the last, 603 00:28:14,361 --> 00:28:16,154 I would say, five years, 604 00:28:16,154 --> 00:28:18,156 things are beginning to change. 605 00:28:18,156 --> 00:28:21,910 But it's also... not even about just having 606 00:28:21,910 --> 00:28:25,122 a support team that is of color. 607 00:28:25,122 --> 00:28:26,915 It's about education. 608 00:28:27,541 --> 00:28:31,920 A lot of cosmetology schools don't require a textured hair course. 609 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,340 A lot of makeup programs don't have a lot of Black people 610 00:28:35,340 --> 00:28:37,092 that they're servicing. 611 00:28:37,092 --> 00:28:41,221 So, we have to make sure that we are training everyone 612 00:28:41,221 --> 00:28:44,057 to handle anyone that comes into their chair, 613 00:28:44,057 --> 00:28:47,936 whether that's on an editorial shoot or on a Hollywood set. 614 00:28:47,936 --> 00:28:49,646 And we still have some work to do. 615 00:28:50,814 --> 00:28:53,442 MARCIA: It's crazy what you have to do to, to book work. 616 00:28:53,817 --> 00:28:57,154 Show up to set and if they don't know how to do your hair, 617 00:28:57,154 --> 00:28:59,364 you better know how to do your hair, and you better know how to do it quickly. 618 00:28:59,781 --> 00:29:01,825 I can't tell you how many times I've been on set 619 00:29:01,825 --> 00:29:05,245 and it's like, "This is not my color and I'm about to go on camera." 620 00:29:05,245 --> 00:29:07,331 Whoa! I have to crouch down in a corner, 621 00:29:07,331 --> 00:29:10,292 pull out the color that matches my skin, touch myself up 622 00:29:10,292 --> 00:29:13,003 because the makeup artist didn't get it right. 623 00:29:13,003 --> 00:29:15,255 Or the hairstylist didn't understand that, 624 00:29:15,255 --> 00:29:17,299 "Hey, I have extensions in, and they don't do 625 00:29:17,299 --> 00:29:18,675 what you think they're gonna do." 626 00:29:18,675 --> 00:29:23,305 Or, um, "That's not my hair color, or that's not even my hair texture." 627 00:29:23,305 --> 00:29:25,307 ♪ 628 00:29:27,643 --> 00:29:29,728 - Now, for the first time-- 629 00:29:29,728 --> 00:29:31,939 We talk about this Golden Age of Television that we're in, 630 00:29:31,939 --> 00:29:35,067 but it's also a golden age of Black hair on television. 631 00:29:35,067 --> 00:29:37,277 - I had no idea that Jabari would do something like that. 632 00:29:37,277 --> 00:29:39,321 AYANA BYRD: Girlfriends really ushered it in 633 00:29:39,321 --> 00:29:43,158 because we suddenly had Tracee Ellis Ross with natural hair 634 00:29:43,158 --> 00:29:47,454 in LA, in a beautiful house, in, like, fashionable clothes. 635 00:29:47,454 --> 00:29:50,207 I think it just blew open the door for what 636 00:29:50,207 --> 00:29:54,044 America could expect to see natural hair looking like. 637 00:29:55,087 --> 00:29:58,215 TRACEE: For Black women, our hair journey 638 00:29:58,590 --> 00:30:01,260 is so much connected to our self-journey. 639 00:30:01,260 --> 00:30:04,555 Like, I s-- I can chronicle my journey of self-acceptance 640 00:30:04,888 --> 00:30:06,974 through my journey with my hair. 641 00:30:07,641 --> 00:30:09,309 - That's crazy to think about, like, legit. 642 00:30:09,309 --> 00:30:11,895 - And you now get to create a hair department... 643 00:30:12,187 --> 00:30:14,398 - Yes, which is so cool. - ...on a set. 644 00:30:15,148 --> 00:30:17,609 You get to say like, "I want somebody who, 645 00:30:17,609 --> 00:30:20,988 "uh, if we're-- if our actors are on a set for seven hours, 646 00:30:20,988 --> 00:30:23,365 "and it's hot and their edges start to puff up... 647 00:30:23,365 --> 00:30:25,742 MARSAI: Right. - ..."that their father or their mother 648 00:30:25,742 --> 00:30:27,494 "doesn't have to step in with a toothbrush. 649 00:30:27,494 --> 00:30:28,328 - Exactly. 650 00:30:28,328 --> 00:30:30,539 - "But we have a hair person who's gonna see that 651 00:30:30,539 --> 00:30:31,874 and get that stuff handled." 652 00:30:31,874 --> 00:30:33,125 - For sure, for sure. TRACEE: Yeah. 653 00:30:33,125 --> 00:30:34,710 - And that's, that's the best part. 654 00:30:36,628 --> 00:30:40,799 - In your career, you're... the youngest ever executive producer. 655 00:30:42,342 --> 00:30:44,219 I mean, talk about it. How you doin'? 656 00:30:44,219 --> 00:30:47,723 What you doin'? How you doin'? - I, I mean, I'm, I'm doing g-- I'm busy. 657 00:30:47,723 --> 00:30:50,559 REPORTER: Believe it or not, at age 14, 658 00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:56,023 Martin is the face and co-founder of Genius Productions in Los Angeles. 659 00:30:56,023 --> 00:30:58,150 - But that's the reason why I made this production company, 660 00:30:58,150 --> 00:31:01,653 was because-- so people, like-- everyone could feel welcome 661 00:31:01,653 --> 00:31:04,865 and just to create more films for everyone, 662 00:31:04,865 --> 00:31:07,326 and v-- that's very diverse and inclusive. 663 00:31:07,326 --> 00:31:09,661 - She's busy. - Busy as heck. 664 00:31:09,661 --> 00:31:12,039 TRACEE: Busy and, and-- - But still got school to do, like. 665 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:15,042 [Tracee laughing] - But still got school to do. 666 00:31:15,042 --> 00:31:16,793 - Still got school to do. 667 00:31:18,837 --> 00:31:23,842 - I have had the honor of witnessing 668 00:31:23,842 --> 00:31:26,720 and being a part of your growing up. 669 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,348 I watched you become who you always were 670 00:31:30,182 --> 00:31:33,227 and you're just continuing to do that, you know? 671 00:31:33,227 --> 00:31:39,233 And I, and I hope that you continue to enjoy what you're building, growing, 672 00:31:39,233 --> 00:31:43,028 and all of that because, um, it's special. 673 00:31:43,028 --> 00:31:47,866 And then you get to give that freedom to the next generation. 674 00:31:48,575 --> 00:31:50,577 ♪ 675 00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:55,123 - Okay, but, like, honestly, Marsai Martin. 676 00:31:55,123 --> 00:31:57,376 Yes, little boss. - We stan, we stan a little mini mogul, 677 00:31:57,376 --> 00:31:59,169 okay? - Yes, a little mini mogul. 678 00:31:59,169 --> 00:32:01,088 - She not even mini, mogul. 679 00:32:01,088 --> 00:32:02,965 - Honestly... warms my heart. - I mean, when I was a kid, 680 00:32:02,965 --> 00:32:04,341 I wish I could be her. 681 00:32:04,341 --> 00:32:06,718 - When I was a kid-- If I was a kid now, 682 00:32:06,718 --> 00:32:07,970 I would-- LESLIE: She's killin' it! 683 00:32:07,970 --> 00:32:09,221 - She's killing it! 684 00:32:09,513 --> 00:32:13,141 She allows, I think, for me, um, she's telling the next generation 685 00:32:13,141 --> 00:32:14,560 to come as you are. - Yeah. 686 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,145 - That you will be accepted and you will be loved. 687 00:32:17,145 --> 00:32:20,399 And honestly-- And not only that, but it's not-- 688 00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:24,570 When I see her, I don't see, um, anyone forcing her to be in a box 689 00:32:24,570 --> 00:32:26,822 and I see her, like, being herself. 690 00:32:26,822 --> 00:32:29,241 - Right, right. - The thing, too, with her is just, like, 691 00:32:29,241 --> 00:32:32,452 she's talent, but I mean, she is also in the boardroom, right? 692 00:32:32,452 --> 00:32:34,746 - Yes. - She E.P.-ing, she's, like, 693 00:32:34,746 --> 00:32:37,124 her own production company, so she's, like, a powerhouse, 694 00:32:37,124 --> 00:32:39,126 right? - Like Black hair, she is multifaceted. 695 00:32:39,126 --> 00:32:41,295 - Hello. ALL: Yes! 696 00:32:41,295 --> 00:32:43,547 - And she wears her hair amazing on the show. 697 00:32:43,547 --> 00:32:45,591 Like, her hair be laid. - Yes! 698 00:32:45,591 --> 00:32:47,009 [laughter] - Yes. 699 00:32:47,843 --> 00:32:49,845 ♪ 700 00:32:52,347 --> 00:32:54,183 MICHAELA: You're someone's hair hero. 701 00:32:54,183 --> 00:32:55,976 I bet you there are girls all over, 702 00:32:55,976 --> 00:32:58,020 can't wait to see what your hair looks like. 703 00:32:58,020 --> 00:33:02,399 - I, I just would say with the level of... freedom 704 00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:04,109 that I found with not only my hair, 705 00:33:04,109 --> 00:33:10,115 but within myself, of what I can do in my... in my work and in my craft, 706 00:33:10,115 --> 00:33:12,242 it's, it's kinda, it's kinda crazy to think about 707 00:33:12,242 --> 00:33:15,662 'cause I didn't realize my hair could resonate truly 708 00:33:15,662 --> 00:33:17,664 with what I go through in my everyday life. 709 00:33:18,165 --> 00:33:20,792 Having the opportunity to have a seat at the table 710 00:33:20,792 --> 00:33:23,253 and then being like, "Okay, what would your hair be like? 711 00:33:23,253 --> 00:33:26,131 What would, what would you want this character to be portrayed as?" 712 00:33:26,131 --> 00:33:31,053 And it just-- it means the world, so I think pushing that message of 713 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,599 just all types of different hair types, all types of different hair stories, 714 00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:38,977 and how it, it really is just your crown. 715 00:33:39,353 --> 00:33:41,355 ♪ 716 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,947 AYANA: When it comes to Black hair, 717 00:33:49,947 --> 00:33:51,990 I think we're at a really 718 00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:57,996 great time in popular culture, especially with television. 719 00:33:57,996 --> 00:34:02,167 We used to see natural hair really pegged into this one little category. 720 00:34:02,167 --> 00:34:06,004 They were an artist, they were a poet, they were a dancer, 721 00:34:06,004 --> 00:34:08,924 they were a certain lifestyle that was a creative 722 00:34:08,924 --> 00:34:11,385 and they were bucking the system, 723 00:34:11,385 --> 00:34:13,720 and this is why they had natural hair. 724 00:34:13,720 --> 00:34:17,349 - I could play my guitar in front of the bus station. 725 00:34:18,392 --> 00:34:24,273 ♪ Kimberly, Kimberly, gonna set South Africa free ♪ 726 00:34:24,273 --> 00:34:27,901 - Now we have-- If you look at the hair on Insecure, 727 00:34:28,819 --> 00:34:33,365 you see everything that we all know Black women look like in our daily life. 728 00:34:33,365 --> 00:34:36,660 A number of characters have natural hair and they all have different lifestyles, 729 00:34:36,660 --> 00:34:38,620 and they're all different people. 730 00:34:38,620 --> 00:34:40,539 And there's that scene that every-- 731 00:34:40,539 --> 00:34:44,042 it's famous, the Viola Davis scene on How to Get Away with Murder 732 00:34:44,042 --> 00:34:46,003 when she takes off her wig. 733 00:34:47,921 --> 00:34:52,926 And she's sitting there and she's herself. She's so vulnerable and raw. 734 00:34:52,926 --> 00:34:55,929 Her acting is so powerful and amazing. 735 00:34:57,431 --> 00:34:59,474 It was such a moment because you can just look 736 00:34:59,474 --> 00:35:01,101 at Black women on television, 737 00:35:01,101 --> 00:35:04,938 and they-- we are finally starting to look like Black women in real life. 738 00:35:04,938 --> 00:35:06,398 ♪ 739 00:35:09,902 --> 00:35:12,821 - And I feel like our hair is this-- 740 00:35:12,821 --> 00:35:16,658 You know, it connects us to our legacy, to our history... 741 00:35:16,658 --> 00:35:19,661 MARSAI: Right. - ...to all of it. 742 00:35:19,661 --> 00:35:23,790 To our present, to our past, to our yesterday, to our tomorrow. 743 00:35:23,790 --> 00:35:27,169 And your parents kind of bridged that space with you. 744 00:35:27,169 --> 00:35:30,088 - I always tell myself, "There's only one you." 745 00:35:30,088 --> 00:35:35,969 So, when it comes to... just truly being yourself, I, I mean that. 746 00:35:35,969 --> 00:35:37,804 And that is where your freedom comes from, 747 00:35:37,804 --> 00:35:41,016 is from speaking and using your voice 748 00:35:41,016 --> 00:35:45,562 and... telling your narrative and telling your story. 749 00:35:46,563 --> 00:35:48,565 ♪ 750 00:35:50,817 --> 00:35:55,197 - Is there a certain hairstyle that makes you feel really strong? 751 00:35:55,197 --> 00:35:56,532 - Probably when my hair is out. 752 00:35:56,532 --> 00:35:58,534 TRACEE: Yeah? - When my hair is out. 753 00:35:59,952 --> 00:36:03,163 TRACEE: Like, when your, your hair is out? MARSAI: When my own hair is out, 754 00:36:03,163 --> 00:36:06,959 which, uh, unfortunately, there's been, uh-- 755 00:36:07,459 --> 00:36:09,211 - You've been workin' a lot. - I've been workin' a lot, 756 00:36:09,211 --> 00:36:11,255 so I need to have it in a protective style 757 00:36:11,255 --> 00:36:12,589 to where it can, like, switch and it-- 758 00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:17,261 I don't have to really, um, maintain it and watch it all the time. 759 00:36:17,261 --> 00:36:23,267 But, um, yeah, when my hair is in its lioness... tone, 760 00:36:23,976 --> 00:36:27,896 I feel so, I feel so good. I feel so free, which is great. 761 00:36:28,313 --> 00:36:32,317 I think now that... I'm older, 762 00:36:32,317 --> 00:36:35,571 I have more of an understanding of what my hair does. 763 00:36:35,571 --> 00:36:36,446 MICHAELA: Mm. TRACEE: Mm-hm. 764 00:36:36,446 --> 00:36:39,116 - And, um, how it can relate to other people 765 00:36:39,116 --> 00:36:41,618 just by just simply telling your story. 766 00:36:41,618 --> 00:36:44,705 I'm a Leo. I've always liked how I present myself 767 00:36:44,705 --> 00:36:47,249 and how I look just because for my own personal confidence, 768 00:36:47,249 --> 00:36:48,292 not really for anyone else. 769 00:36:48,292 --> 00:36:51,170 I just liked feeling refreshed. 770 00:36:51,170 --> 00:36:53,172 ♪ 771 00:36:53,922 --> 00:36:58,051 - We have the talks, right, with our kids and it's like the safe sex talk. 772 00:36:58,051 --> 00:37:00,470 And then we also have the talk about how we're perceived 773 00:37:00,470 --> 00:37:03,473 out in this world as Black women, how to carry ourselves. 774 00:37:03,473 --> 00:37:06,894 And I think that it does really happen in these spaces. 775 00:37:06,894 --> 00:37:09,021 I'm just happy to hear that the mamas are holdin' it down 776 00:37:09,021 --> 00:37:10,689 for the next generation of girls... [all agreeing] 777 00:37:10,689 --> 00:37:12,691 ...to make sure that they are good. - We got-- We got y'all. 778 00:37:12,691 --> 00:37:13,734 We got y'all. DANEHSIA: Appreciate that. 779 00:37:13,734 --> 00:37:15,819 So, when my child shows up, we good. 780 00:37:16,153 --> 00:37:19,198 But, no, I'm just sayin', you guys just reminded me 781 00:37:19,198 --> 00:37:21,867 that I've had the talk with my own mom, you know what I mean? 782 00:37:21,867 --> 00:37:24,411 On how I'm gonna be perceived in this world 783 00:37:24,411 --> 00:37:26,955 by based off of just looks alone, you know? 784 00:37:26,955 --> 00:37:28,916 And it's just somethin' that is-- 785 00:37:28,916 --> 00:37:31,543 It's crazy that other people don't have the experience. 786 00:37:31,543 --> 00:37:34,671 But it's also, in a sense, like a beautiful struggle that, 787 00:37:34,671 --> 00:37:37,883 you know, we do wear this with a, with a, uh, a sense of pride. 788 00:37:37,883 --> 00:37:40,511 Like, being a Black woman has been the biggest blessin' of my life. 789 00:37:40,511 --> 00:37:41,345 - Absolutely. - Amen. 790 00:37:41,345 --> 00:37:42,513 - I could, honestly-- - I would not trade it. 791 00:37:42,513 --> 00:37:44,515 - I couldn't imagine being nothin' else. 792 00:37:44,515 --> 00:37:46,517 ♪ 793 00:37:47,226 --> 00:37:51,980 - Black women sit at the, the center of so much 794 00:37:52,439 --> 00:37:56,860 and in order to unpack so many of the stories of our culture 795 00:37:56,860 --> 00:37:59,196 and of our world, 796 00:37:59,738 --> 00:38:02,824 we are the ones that are utilized to tell that story. 797 00:38:04,618 --> 00:38:06,245 - Yes? - I'm Julia Baker. 798 00:38:06,245 --> 00:38:09,873 - In our century, we've learned not to fear words. 799 00:38:09,873 --> 00:38:11,875 ♪ 800 00:38:12,501 --> 00:38:14,837 TRACEE: Watching Black women on TV, 801 00:38:14,837 --> 00:38:17,673 we represent more than just a character. 802 00:38:17,673 --> 00:38:19,550 From the late '60s through today, 803 00:38:19,550 --> 00:38:22,344 we have been telling stories which are also reflections 804 00:38:22,344 --> 00:38:25,639 of our style, identity, and humanity. 805 00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:28,350 - Well, I got a surprise for her. - You do? 806 00:38:28,350 --> 00:38:30,686 - Watch, I bet the door's gonna creak real loud. 807 00:38:31,103 --> 00:38:33,105 - Hello? Excuse me? 808 00:38:34,565 --> 00:38:37,776 - Not without a introduction. Lynn. - What? 809 00:38:38,569 --> 00:38:41,196 - I don't have time to come running down to the White House at your beck and call 810 00:38:41,196 --> 00:38:42,656 like you're the only one who's important. 811 00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:44,741 - Anything else? 812 00:38:44,741 --> 00:38:46,743 ♪ 813 00:38:56,879 --> 00:38:59,298 - I think of the things that my mother's generation 814 00:38:59,298 --> 00:39:01,800 had to fight through that made space for me to not 815 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,428 even have to think about those things. MARSAI: Mm-hm. 816 00:39:04,428 --> 00:39:07,681 - And I think of the things that I had to fight through 817 00:39:07,681 --> 00:39:09,892 that you don't even have to think about. 818 00:39:10,392 --> 00:39:14,813 And, um, and I think while I was fighting through some of those things, 819 00:39:14,813 --> 00:39:18,734 my hope was that no one ever had to fight through that again. 820 00:39:18,734 --> 00:39:20,736 MARSAI: Mm-hm. TRACEE: Or have to look in the mirror 821 00:39:20,736 --> 00:39:23,488 and see shame when their hair puffed up 822 00:39:23,488 --> 00:39:26,575 because the truth is that that revert back 823 00:39:27,618 --> 00:39:31,538 is God saying, "Let the beauty out!" - Yeah. 824 00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:34,166 - "Let the beauty out!" - Yes. 825 00:39:34,166 --> 00:39:36,668 TRACEE: "Let freedom ring!" You know? - Yes. Let it ring. 826 00:39:36,668 --> 00:39:38,086 TRACEE: Let it ring. 827 00:39:38,086 --> 00:39:40,088 ♪ 828 00:39:42,633 --> 00:39:44,635 MICHAELA: What's next? 829 00:39:44,635 --> 00:39:45,802 MARSAI: What's next? I mean, 830 00:39:45,802 --> 00:39:49,056 of course, I could say, like, any types of projects or whatever, 831 00:39:49,056 --> 00:39:52,559 but... I like to keep it one step at a time. 832 00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:54,144 I'm in the present. 833 00:39:54,144 --> 00:39:56,438 And also, now that I'm a producer, I can create my own stuff. 834 00:39:56,438 --> 00:39:57,981 Like, that's, that's a good thing. 835 00:39:57,981 --> 00:40:03,320 I, I, I am pushing that message with any type of creative aspect 836 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,446 that I'm in and what I've done. 837 00:40:04,446 --> 00:40:06,365 I feel like when it comes to talkin' about the future, 838 00:40:06,365 --> 00:40:08,325 yeah, I can, I can have all these types of goals, 839 00:40:08,325 --> 00:40:11,745 I can do whatever, but... what's happening right now 840 00:40:11,745 --> 00:40:16,959 is something that I've always been, like... just going for, you know? 841 00:40:16,959 --> 00:40:19,920 - I feel really privileged to be here with y'all 842 00:40:20,587 --> 00:40:23,966 as a mother-daughter... combination 843 00:40:23,966 --> 00:40:28,720 'cause you all have given us something really special. 844 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:34,476 And now, um, to have you at the table is really an honor. 845 00:40:34,476 --> 00:40:36,395 - This is absolutely amazing. 846 00:40:36,854 --> 00:40:37,855 Good job. 847 00:40:39,273 --> 00:40:40,107 Bravo. 848 00:40:40,107 --> 00:40:41,483 TRACEE: That was great. 849 00:40:41,483 --> 00:40:42,901 ♪ 850 00:40:43,527 --> 00:40:45,946 Next on The Hair Tales... 851 00:40:45,946 --> 00:40:49,825 What about your hair is beautiful to you? 852 00:40:49,825 --> 00:40:51,451 - I love how strong it is. 853 00:40:51,451 --> 00:40:54,705 It's so hard to tame and control, but that's how I am. 854 00:40:54,705 --> 00:40:58,500 I don't, I don't want to be controlled all the time. 855 00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:03,130 I want to be wild and free and move the way that I want to. 856 00:41:03,463 --> 00:41:05,883 My hair does that. 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