1 00:00:02,210 --> 00:00:03,503 DARIN: Firefighters who responded to a house fire, 2 00:00:05,213 --> 00:00:08,008 they discovered four members of the Harvey Family 3 00:00:08,049 --> 00:00:09,592 in the basement. 4 00:00:09,634 --> 00:00:10,802 Family was bound, 5 00:00:10,844 --> 00:00:12,345 tape wrapped around their heads 6 00:00:12,387 --> 00:00:14,681 and then murdered in their home. 7 00:00:14,723 --> 00:00:18,935 JON: Who could do this to a beautiful family of four? 8 00:00:18,977 --> 00:00:20,979 LISA: We were pretty baffled. 9 00:00:21,021 --> 00:00:22,313 Can't even throw out theories 10 00:00:22,355 --> 00:00:24,858 because there weren't any. 11 00:00:24,899 --> 00:00:26,192 [sinister music playing] 12 00:00:26,234 --> 00:00:28,945 Five days after the murder of the Harveys, 13 00:00:28,987 --> 00:00:30,697 there was another family murdered 14 00:00:30,739 --> 00:00:31,990 in their residence. 15 00:00:32,032 --> 00:00:34,534 These people didn't bother anybody. 16 00:00:34,576 --> 00:00:37,787 CONRAD: A lot of people in Richmond were wondering why? 17 00:00:37,829 --> 00:00:39,289 What is going on? 18 00:00:39,330 --> 00:00:44,085 Do we have a serial killer on our hands? 19 00:00:45,545 --> 00:00:48,715 LISA: On January 1st, 2006, 20 00:01:05,065 --> 00:01:08,151 we received a 911 call 21 00:01:08,193 --> 00:01:11,529 stating that we had to respond at West 31st Street. 22 00:01:11,571 --> 00:01:15,325 There was a house engulfed in flames. 23 00:01:16,451 --> 00:01:19,788 [sirens wailing] 24 00:01:20,955 --> 00:01:24,626 LISA: After the fire department put the fire out, 25 00:01:24,668 --> 00:01:26,294 I arrive to the scene 26 00:01:26,336 --> 00:01:28,171 and there were a couple of firemen 27 00:01:28,213 --> 00:01:29,631 and one of them was sitting 28 00:01:29,673 --> 00:01:32,717 on the front bumper of the fire truck 29 00:01:32,759 --> 00:01:35,387 and he was crying. 30 00:01:35,428 --> 00:01:39,265 And I knew this is not gonna be good. 31 00:01:40,350 --> 00:01:44,396 They found four people dead in the house. 32 00:01:45,647 --> 00:01:48,566 The fire department brought two victims 33 00:01:48,608 --> 00:01:50,694 out of the basement. 34 00:01:50,735 --> 00:01:53,196 A little child 35 00:01:53,238 --> 00:01:56,282 and an adult female. 36 00:01:56,324 --> 00:02:00,370 And when they laid them down, they noticed 37 00:02:00,412 --> 00:02:03,665 that they were gagged and tied up. 38 00:02:06,209 --> 00:02:10,255 They're not gonna bring anybody else out of the basement 39 00:02:10,296 --> 00:02:13,508 because we had a crime scene. 40 00:02:13,550 --> 00:02:17,929 So, we called for medical examiner's office. 41 00:02:19,848 --> 00:02:21,224 DARIN: Approximately 4:00 PM, 42 00:02:21,266 --> 00:02:25,103 I was called to a house fire. 43 00:02:25,145 --> 00:02:27,355 When I arrive to the home, 44 00:02:27,397 --> 00:02:32,277 I began to examine the two bodies. 45 00:02:32,318 --> 00:02:35,572 I saw that both victims of the fire 46 00:02:35,613 --> 00:02:38,575 had their ankles bound together with tape 47 00:02:38,616 --> 00:02:41,453 and one of the first things that I noticed 48 00:02:41,494 --> 00:02:44,205 were the sharp force injuries to both necks, 49 00:02:44,247 --> 00:02:47,417 meaning cutting and/or stabbing injuries. 50 00:02:47,459 --> 00:02:52,130 LISA: The adult female had duct tape around her hands. 51 00:02:52,172 --> 00:02:55,175 She had a sock in her mouth 52 00:02:55,216 --> 00:02:58,553 and tape over her mouth. 53 00:02:59,554 --> 00:03:02,223 That little girl beside her 54 00:03:02,265 --> 00:03:05,518 was I would have said three or four. 55 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:10,482 She had head trauma same as the adult female. 56 00:03:11,691 --> 00:03:13,735 I saw evil. 57 00:03:16,905 --> 00:03:20,575 DARIN: I found that both also had open skull fractures, 58 00:03:20,617 --> 00:03:24,371 uh, and the skull fractures were, um, depressed 59 00:03:24,412 --> 00:03:26,539 and rather roundish. 60 00:03:26,581 --> 00:03:29,376 That fracture pattern is consistent 61 00:03:29,417 --> 00:03:31,503 with something very dense and small. 62 00:03:31,544 --> 00:03:34,255 Like a hammer or a mallet. 63 00:03:35,465 --> 00:03:38,802 Once the, uh, firefighters had determined that 64 00:03:38,843 --> 00:03:40,387 the house was structurally safe, 65 00:03:40,428 --> 00:03:42,222 we entered the home, 66 00:03:42,263 --> 00:03:44,557 but the electric to the house was cut. 67 00:03:44,599 --> 00:03:46,851 So, we were using flashlights. 68 00:03:46,893 --> 00:03:51,690 Then we proceeded downstairs into the basement. 69 00:03:51,731 --> 00:03:55,402 There were puzzles and the children's toys. 70 00:03:55,443 --> 00:03:58,780 There was a red puppet theater there. 71 00:04:00,198 --> 00:04:03,201 LISA: I noticed what appeared to be a white male 72 00:04:03,243 --> 00:04:05,995 laying on the floor, hog tied 73 00:04:06,037 --> 00:04:09,290 where his arms and his legs were tied together 74 00:04:09,332 --> 00:04:11,835 with an extension cord. 75 00:04:11,876 --> 00:04:14,504 One of our forensics people pointed out 76 00:04:14,546 --> 00:04:19,759 that under a futon in the corner was a little girl. 77 00:04:19,801 --> 00:04:23,430 She was cut, and she had some marks 78 00:04:23,471 --> 00:04:27,892 toward her upper body in her head. 79 00:04:27,934 --> 00:04:31,146 DARIN: She also had tape wrapped around her head 80 00:04:31,187 --> 00:04:33,231 and her wrists were bound 81 00:04:33,273 --> 00:04:36,276 with tape behind her back. 82 00:04:36,317 --> 00:04:39,029 She also had sharp force injuries to her neck 83 00:04:39,070 --> 00:04:40,989 and open skull fractures. 84 00:04:44,409 --> 00:04:47,620 We also noticed on the floor two hammers 85 00:04:47,662 --> 00:04:51,708 that were sitting there side by side. 86 00:04:51,750 --> 00:04:54,169 And so immediately, they drew our attention 87 00:04:54,210 --> 00:04:59,382 as potential weapons that caused the injuries. 88 00:04:59,424 --> 00:05:02,927 LISA: After we go into the basement, 89 00:05:02,969 --> 00:05:04,929 I went upstairs. 90 00:05:04,971 --> 00:05:08,600 The front door was not pried open. 91 00:05:08,641 --> 00:05:10,769 The back door, it wasn't quite open. 92 00:05:10,810 --> 00:05:14,939 So, there's no forced entry into the house. 93 00:05:14,981 --> 00:05:20,362 In the living room, there was a cup of coffee, 94 00:05:20,403 --> 00:05:22,947 and it was half drank. 95 00:05:22,989 --> 00:05:27,285 And on the floor was part of a puzzle put together. 96 00:05:27,327 --> 00:05:29,454 It wasn't finished. 97 00:05:30,747 --> 00:05:35,335 Then you go in the kitchen, the stove was actually still on 98 00:05:35,377 --> 00:05:37,337 so the fire department cut that off. 99 00:05:37,379 --> 00:05:40,590 And there were vegetables cut up. 100 00:05:40,632 --> 00:05:45,512 And then I saw something out of place. 101 00:05:45,553 --> 00:05:47,347 On the kitchen counter bar, 102 00:05:47,389 --> 00:05:51,184 there's a round ring that's clean. 103 00:05:51,226 --> 00:05:53,520 So there was something around there, 104 00:05:53,561 --> 00:05:55,689 but we didn't know what it was 105 00:05:55,730 --> 00:05:58,191 because everything else was covered in soot 106 00:05:58,233 --> 00:06:01,611 and that was just clean. 107 00:06:01,653 --> 00:06:04,781 So, we knew something was taken. 108 00:06:06,533 --> 00:06:09,953 Upstairs, things had been gone through 109 00:06:09,994 --> 00:06:11,579 in the master bedroom, 110 00:06:11,621 --> 00:06:14,541 but not, like, thrown about. 111 00:06:14,582 --> 00:06:17,502 There was a couple of dollars on a nightstand 112 00:06:17,544 --> 00:06:19,087 that was still there. 113 00:06:19,129 --> 00:06:22,048 There was nothing that you could tell right away 114 00:06:22,090 --> 00:06:23,258 that was missing. 115 00:06:23,299 --> 00:06:25,301 At that point, we are, you know, 116 00:06:25,343 --> 00:06:28,555 we're really like scratching our heads. 117 00:06:28,596 --> 00:06:30,807 [sinister music playing] 118 00:06:30,849 --> 00:06:32,976 LEARNED: We realized that we had a real problem. 119 00:06:33,018 --> 00:06:36,438 The fire department had hosed down the entire basement 120 00:06:36,479 --> 00:06:37,731 where the bodies were found 121 00:06:37,772 --> 00:06:40,942 and so we had no forensic evidence, 122 00:06:40,984 --> 00:06:44,404 except for the ball-peen hammers. 123 00:06:44,446 --> 00:06:46,990 The law enforcement evidence technicians 124 00:06:47,032 --> 00:06:48,366 then appropriated them 125 00:06:48,408 --> 00:06:50,952 and packaged them up. 126 00:06:51,995 --> 00:06:53,913 LISA: Another detective came up to me 127 00:06:53,955 --> 00:06:57,500 and he said, "Is it a murder-suicide?" 128 00:06:57,542 --> 00:06:59,669 And I said, "No way." 129 00:06:59,711 --> 00:07:03,465 First of all, I don't think one person did it. 130 00:07:03,506 --> 00:07:06,343 There had to be at least two, if not more, 131 00:07:06,384 --> 00:07:08,094 to tie up the man. 132 00:07:08,136 --> 00:07:10,013 He wasn't a small guy. 133 00:07:10,055 --> 00:07:11,431 He was in shape. 134 00:07:11,473 --> 00:07:14,851 Also, to keep all people together at one time 135 00:07:14,893 --> 00:07:17,771 and bring them down into a basement, 136 00:07:17,812 --> 00:07:19,564 I would believe that it would take 137 00:07:19,606 --> 00:07:23,234 at least two people with weapons. 138 00:07:24,569 --> 00:07:27,947 When I came back at it, there was a older white man 139 00:07:27,989 --> 00:07:33,495 and his wife standing to the side across the street. 140 00:07:34,162 --> 00:07:35,538 They were upset, 141 00:07:35,580 --> 00:07:38,124 and I went and found out that 142 00:07:38,166 --> 00:07:40,377 they were Pam and Mark Harvey. 143 00:07:40,418 --> 00:07:43,421 And Mark told me that that was his brother, 144 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:47,592 Bryan and his wife Kathryn living inside the house, 145 00:07:47,634 --> 00:07:51,638 and Ruby and Stella were their children. 146 00:07:53,556 --> 00:07:55,475 DARIN: The two bodies outside 147 00:07:55,517 --> 00:07:59,938 were the bodies of, uh, Kathryn and Ruby Harvey. 148 00:07:59,979 --> 00:08:04,025 In the basement, that's where the father 149 00:08:04,067 --> 00:08:09,572 Bryan Harvey and his daughter Stella were found. 150 00:08:09,614 --> 00:08:10,824 All of the members of the family 151 00:08:10,865 --> 00:08:12,325 dying by homicidal violence. 152 00:08:12,367 --> 00:08:16,162 I can't think of a, uh-- of a more horrible thing. 153 00:08:17,872 --> 00:08:22,794 What kind of evil person could do this? 154 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:27,132 LISA: So once we identify the bodies, 155 00:08:27,173 --> 00:08:31,886 we realized that the Harveys didn't have jewelry on. 156 00:08:31,928 --> 00:08:35,974 So, we talked to their friends about what items they had. 157 00:08:36,016 --> 00:08:42,022 They explained Kathryn wore a wedding ring and a necklace. 158 00:08:42,063 --> 00:08:43,940 And the friend said that 159 00:08:43,982 --> 00:08:45,692 it was a really unusual wedding ring 160 00:08:45,734 --> 00:08:49,029 that Bryan had had it created just for her. 161 00:08:49,070 --> 00:08:51,239 And I couldn't find the wedding ring 162 00:08:51,281 --> 00:08:52,699 or the necklace in the house. 163 00:08:52,741 --> 00:08:57,120 So, we knew those two items were taken. 164 00:08:57,162 --> 00:08:59,205 Then, this lady came up, 165 00:08:59,247 --> 00:09:02,042 said her name's Kirsten Perkinson, 166 00:09:02,083 --> 00:09:04,794 and she said that she had been to the house 167 00:09:04,836 --> 00:09:06,713 and I said, "When were you at the house?" 168 00:09:06,755 --> 00:09:09,758 She said, "A couple of hours before that fire." 169 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:14,721 She said Kathryn was being very suspicious. 170 00:09:15,764 --> 00:09:19,225 She said, around 10:00 in the morning, 171 00:09:19,267 --> 00:09:20,977 she had brought Stella home. 172 00:09:21,019 --> 00:09:23,772 She was at a sleep over at a friend's house 173 00:09:23,813 --> 00:09:25,732 for New Year's Eve. 174 00:09:25,774 --> 00:09:27,525 Stella ran into the basement 175 00:09:27,567 --> 00:09:29,527 because that's where all the kids play. 176 00:09:29,569 --> 00:09:31,613 And all of a sudden, Kathryn was standing there, 177 00:09:31,654 --> 00:09:33,656 very white faced, 178 00:09:33,698 --> 00:09:36,576 very nervous, like jittery. 179 00:09:36,618 --> 00:09:39,496 And Kirsten's daughter, Gracielin, 180 00:09:39,537 --> 00:09:41,456 tried to run past Kathryn 181 00:09:41,498 --> 00:09:45,168 to go down to the basement with Stella. 182 00:09:45,210 --> 00:09:46,920 Kathryn grabbed Gracie 183 00:09:46,961 --> 00:09:49,839 and pushed her back out of the basement 184 00:09:49,881 --> 00:09:51,299 and told, Kirsten, 185 00:09:51,341 --> 00:09:53,301 "Look, you know, I just don't feel good. 186 00:09:53,343 --> 00:09:54,678 Come back later. 187 00:09:54,719 --> 00:09:57,639 You all need to go." 188 00:09:57,681 --> 00:10:00,100 Kirsten left with Gracielin 189 00:10:00,141 --> 00:10:03,269 and never saw him again. 190 00:10:03,311 --> 00:10:06,981 What was Kathryn hiding in the basement? 191 00:10:09,359 --> 00:10:12,946 One of Bryan's friends, Johnny Hott, 192 00:10:12,987 --> 00:10:14,572 he called 911. 193 00:10:14,614 --> 00:10:17,117 LISA: He said that he actually tried to go 194 00:10:17,158 --> 00:10:18,827 and save them. 195 00:10:18,868 --> 00:10:20,370 I pulled him aside and I said, 196 00:10:20,412 --> 00:10:22,706 "Look, what else are you not telling me?" 197 00:10:22,747 --> 00:10:24,749 LEARNED: The mistake that Johnny made 198 00:10:24,791 --> 00:10:27,794 is every time he would come in, he tells a different story. 199 00:10:29,629 --> 00:10:31,131 It was probably about a week later, 200 00:10:31,172 --> 00:10:35,635 after the Harvey murders, we had another homicide. 201 00:10:35,677 --> 00:10:36,845 LEARNED: Three people 202 00:10:36,886 --> 00:10:40,974 who have been duct taped to death. 203 00:10:41,016 --> 00:10:43,226 So now we've got two torture scenes 204 00:10:43,268 --> 00:10:45,186 five days apart. 205 00:10:50,567 --> 00:10:54,571 on January 1st, 2006, [sinister music playing]00 PM 206 00:10:54,612 --> 00:10:57,407 firefighters who responded to a house fire, 207 00:10:57,449 --> 00:11:00,827 they discovered four members of the Harvey family 208 00:11:00,869 --> 00:11:02,078 in the basement. 209 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,540 They were murdered in their home. 210 00:11:05,582 --> 00:11:06,916 This is the first time 211 00:11:06,958 --> 00:11:09,127 that I had, uh, ever experienced 212 00:11:09,169 --> 00:11:11,755 four members of a family who had been killed 213 00:11:11,796 --> 00:11:13,131 by homicidal violence. 214 00:11:13,173 --> 00:11:15,925 It was just horrible. 215 00:11:17,969 --> 00:11:19,220 JON: Almost immediately, 216 00:11:19,262 --> 00:11:21,890 the murders became a huge story. 217 00:11:21,931 --> 00:11:25,727 Who could do this to a beautiful family of four 218 00:11:25,769 --> 00:11:28,563 in the south side of Richmond? 219 00:11:29,773 --> 00:11:32,859 The Harveys lived in a nice urban enclave. 220 00:11:32,901 --> 00:11:35,487 JON: Everybody knew everybody. 221 00:11:35,528 --> 00:11:38,073 People didn't lock their doors. 222 00:11:38,114 --> 00:11:41,242 It's that kind of community. They were really tight. 223 00:11:41,284 --> 00:11:45,038 A brutal, bloody, coldblooded killing 224 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,249 was unheard of in this neighborhood. 225 00:11:48,291 --> 00:11:52,462 In Richmond, families don't get killed. 226 00:11:53,630 --> 00:11:56,424 [sinister music playing] 227 00:11:56,466 --> 00:12:00,512 ARMISTEAD: Bryan and Kathy Harvey, as a couple-- 228 00:12:00,553 --> 00:12:02,639 and nobody is ever perfect, 229 00:12:02,681 --> 00:12:05,058 but they were pretty perfect. 230 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:08,561 When I first met Bryan in 1980, 231 00:12:08,603 --> 00:12:10,146 he was warm, 232 00:12:10,188 --> 00:12:12,357 friendly, and interesting. 233 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:15,026 Seemed like I'd always known him. 234 00:12:15,068 --> 00:12:19,280 Bryan had his great band, House of Freaks. 235 00:12:19,322 --> 00:12:24,077 And, uh, I admired his, uh, musicianship. 236 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,290 Bryan met Kathy when she worked at a cafe 237 00:12:29,332 --> 00:12:32,877 and, uh, she went for Bryan. 238 00:12:32,919 --> 00:12:36,297 So, he endured her. 239 00:12:36,339 --> 00:12:39,634 He wanted to settle down and have a family. 240 00:12:39,676 --> 00:12:43,013 Their first child was Stella. 241 00:12:43,054 --> 00:12:47,058 Few years later, they gave birth to Ruby. 242 00:12:47,100 --> 00:12:49,352 Bryan and Kathy and Stella and Ruby, 243 00:12:49,394 --> 00:12:53,064 they were just this group of, um... 244 00:12:53,106 --> 00:12:55,734 strong, creative people. 245 00:12:57,027 --> 00:13:01,531 So, when they were murdered, it was just this bad dream 246 00:13:01,573 --> 00:13:03,450 that didn't make sense. 247 00:13:03,491 --> 00:13:06,745 [sinister music playing] 248 00:13:09,205 --> 00:13:12,250 JON: As they started interrogating neighbors 249 00:13:12,292 --> 00:13:14,252 in trying to figure out what happened, 250 00:13:14,294 --> 00:13:17,589 they found out one of Bryan's friends, 251 00:13:17,630 --> 00:13:20,717 Johnny Hott, called 911. 252 00:13:20,759 --> 00:13:23,511 He was Bryan's best friend. 253 00:13:24,971 --> 00:13:27,390 LISA: I talked to him and he said that 254 00:13:27,432 --> 00:13:29,768 he and his daughter were coming over early 255 00:13:29,809 --> 00:13:31,144 just to hang out, 256 00:13:31,186 --> 00:13:33,271 and help out with the chili cook-off 257 00:13:33,313 --> 00:13:35,940 that they do every New Year's Day. 258 00:13:35,982 --> 00:13:38,860 He said that he actually went inside 259 00:13:38,902 --> 00:13:41,821 and saw a smoke. 260 00:13:41,863 --> 00:13:44,157 He tried to go and save them, 261 00:13:44,199 --> 00:13:45,867 he's, like, "Went in the kitchen, 262 00:13:45,909 --> 00:13:47,077 I couldn't find them. 263 00:13:47,118 --> 00:13:48,870 I went upstairs, I couldn't find them. 264 00:13:48,912 --> 00:13:50,038 I opened the basement door 265 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:51,748 and the smoke overtook me." 266 00:13:51,790 --> 00:13:55,418 So I said, "If you went through this house, 267 00:13:55,460 --> 00:13:57,962 tell me what was going on in the kitchen." 268 00:13:58,004 --> 00:14:00,131 Because the stove was on. 269 00:14:00,173 --> 00:14:02,342 He's like "Nothing was on." 270 00:14:02,384 --> 00:14:05,303 I'm like "Were they cooking? Were they doing--" 271 00:14:05,345 --> 00:14:09,015 "No, no, there was nothing going on in the kitchen." 272 00:14:09,057 --> 00:14:11,184 A normal human being, 273 00:14:11,226 --> 00:14:14,062 if they walked in a kitchen and saw a fire 274 00:14:14,104 --> 00:14:15,897 that would--you would remember that. 275 00:14:15,939 --> 00:14:17,774 You get this feeling in your stomach 276 00:14:17,816 --> 00:14:19,192 that something is not right, 277 00:14:19,234 --> 00:14:22,320 that the person is lying to you. 278 00:14:22,362 --> 00:14:25,156 I pulled him aside and I said, "Look, you're lying, 279 00:14:25,198 --> 00:14:26,741 you didn't go in the house, 280 00:14:26,783 --> 00:14:28,576 what else are you not telling me?" 281 00:14:28,618 --> 00:14:30,745 Because he definitely would have noticed that 282 00:14:30,787 --> 00:14:36,584 there was a flame coming from the gas stove. 283 00:14:36,626 --> 00:14:40,714 He's like "I did go in the house, you're wrong." 284 00:14:40,755 --> 00:14:43,341 So he kept lying. 285 00:14:45,260 --> 00:14:49,055 Also no forced entry made you think 286 00:14:49,097 --> 00:14:51,683 that they let the killer in 287 00:14:51,725 --> 00:14:53,518 so they knew the person. 288 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:58,606 At that point, Johnny was the person of interest. 289 00:15:01,317 --> 00:15:03,945 DARIN: The day after this family was discovered, 290 00:15:03,987 --> 00:15:05,947 we began the autopsies. 291 00:15:05,989 --> 00:15:09,576 We determined that the sharp force injuries 292 00:15:09,617 --> 00:15:13,455 on Bryan and Kathryn and Stella Harvey 293 00:15:13,496 --> 00:15:16,499 were not immediately lethal. 294 00:15:16,541 --> 00:15:20,420 All of the family members had blunt force injuries 295 00:15:20,462 --> 00:15:21,796 to the head. 296 00:15:21,838 --> 00:15:23,715 Stella Harvey also had 297 00:15:23,757 --> 00:15:27,260 a lethal carbon monoxide intoxication. 298 00:15:27,302 --> 00:15:32,390 Ruby Harvey had a lethal stab wound to her torso. 299 00:15:32,432 --> 00:15:34,809 The family was bound. 300 00:15:34,851 --> 00:15:36,478 The father and one of the daughters 301 00:15:36,519 --> 00:15:38,605 had tape wrapped around their heads. 302 00:15:38,646 --> 00:15:41,816 These are things that were very disturbing. 303 00:15:41,858 --> 00:15:44,152 Never in my career had I ever faced 304 00:15:44,194 --> 00:15:45,820 anything like this. 305 00:15:45,862 --> 00:15:47,322 LEARNED: Any killing is bad, 306 00:15:47,364 --> 00:15:49,824 but that's evil, that's torture. 307 00:15:49,866 --> 00:15:53,119 JON: What kind of a coldblooded killer would do this 308 00:15:53,161 --> 00:15:56,331 to a four-year-old, a nine-year-old, 309 00:15:56,373 --> 00:15:57,707 and their parents? 310 00:15:57,749 --> 00:16:00,710 It just didn't--it didn't make sense. 311 00:16:00,752 --> 00:16:02,712 [suspenseful music playing] 312 00:16:02,754 --> 00:16:05,632 JON: Johnny Hott is prime suspect number one 313 00:16:05,674 --> 00:16:10,303 and he went through days of interrogation. 314 00:16:10,345 --> 00:16:12,514 Johnny Hott was on the hot seat. 315 00:16:12,555 --> 00:16:14,557 I mean, he was answering a lot of questions 316 00:16:14,599 --> 00:16:17,227 and his name was in the news an awful lot. 317 00:16:17,268 --> 00:16:19,062 This guy was best friends with Bryan. 318 00:16:19,104 --> 00:16:22,774 JOHNNY: We had that really intense eight years 319 00:16:22,816 --> 00:16:25,610 of traveling in a van together 320 00:16:25,652 --> 00:16:28,988 and staying in hotel rooms together. 321 00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:30,365 So nobody could understand 322 00:16:30,407 --> 00:16:32,283 why would he be best friends with Bryan 323 00:16:32,325 --> 00:16:34,536 and then do this to the family? 324 00:16:34,577 --> 00:16:36,705 LEARNED: The mistake that Johnny made 325 00:16:36,746 --> 00:16:39,582 is every time he would come in, he tells a different story. 326 00:16:39,624 --> 00:16:41,543 You know, like where he was and what he was doing. 327 00:16:41,584 --> 00:16:43,461 Or, no, no, no, no, I was here, 328 00:16:43,503 --> 00:16:45,296 no, no, wait a minute, I was there. 329 00:16:45,338 --> 00:16:48,049 It just got more confusing. 330 00:16:48,091 --> 00:16:52,387 LISA: We finally got him to do a polygraph. 331 00:16:52,429 --> 00:16:57,308 He failed it about going into the house. 332 00:16:58,852 --> 00:17:00,645 So he didn't go in the house. 333 00:17:00,687 --> 00:17:02,397 So I think he came up to the house, 334 00:17:02,439 --> 00:17:04,274 all the smoke coming out and called 911, 335 00:17:04,315 --> 00:17:05,608 which was great. 336 00:17:05,650 --> 00:17:08,695 But we think he wanted people to believe 337 00:17:08,737 --> 00:17:11,406 that he was a hero. 338 00:17:11,448 --> 00:17:12,782 But he passed the part 339 00:17:12,824 --> 00:17:15,577 about not murdering the Harveys. 340 00:17:15,618 --> 00:17:19,748 So we were sure he did not kill them. 341 00:17:19,789 --> 00:17:23,668 But if he would have just been truthful from the get-go, 342 00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:26,087 it would have saved us a lot of aggravation, 343 00:17:26,129 --> 00:17:28,340 a lot of time, and a lot of energy 344 00:17:28,381 --> 00:17:31,301 that we could have tried to put on someone else. 345 00:17:31,343 --> 00:17:34,346 So, I mean, we were pretty baffled. 346 00:17:34,387 --> 00:17:35,972 There was really nowhere to go. 347 00:17:36,014 --> 00:17:38,767 And really we're in a standstill. 348 00:17:38,808 --> 00:17:42,771 This sets everybody in the city frantic. 349 00:17:42,812 --> 00:17:45,982 We needed to get the bad guys off the street. 350 00:17:46,358 --> 00:17:53,782 LISA: Three days into this investigation, 351 00:17:56,034 --> 00:17:59,537 the only lead we've really had was Johnny Hott, 352 00:17:59,579 --> 00:18:02,165 but we were sure he did not do this. 353 00:18:02,207 --> 00:18:04,584 And I'm like, now what? 354 00:18:04,626 --> 00:18:06,503 Really we're in a standstill. 355 00:18:06,544 --> 00:18:09,464 JON: After Johnny Hott was ruled out, 356 00:18:09,506 --> 00:18:11,007 their investigation went cold. 357 00:18:11,049 --> 00:18:14,719 Who could do this to a beautiful family of four 358 00:18:14,761 --> 00:18:17,222 in the south side of Richmond? 359 00:18:17,263 --> 00:18:19,641 LEARNED: Everybody thinks you got DNA fingerprint, 360 00:18:19,683 --> 00:18:20,850 they don't get stuff like that 361 00:18:20,892 --> 00:18:22,769 when they hose the basement down. 362 00:18:22,811 --> 00:18:25,730 They tried to set the bodies on fire for God's sakes. 363 00:18:25,772 --> 00:18:27,190 So we don't have anything. 364 00:18:27,232 --> 00:18:30,443 We know how they died but we don't have much. 365 00:18:30,485 --> 00:18:32,862 LISA: There were no leads coming in, 366 00:18:32,904 --> 00:18:35,865 you couldn't find anybody that hated the family, 367 00:18:35,907 --> 00:18:40,286 or that had an issue with the family. 368 00:18:43,373 --> 00:18:45,417 We were pretty baffled. 369 00:18:45,458 --> 00:18:48,586 There was really nowhere to go. 370 00:18:49,421 --> 00:18:51,214 Can't even throw out theories 371 00:18:51,256 --> 00:18:53,717 because there weren't any. 372 00:18:53,758 --> 00:18:55,635 We were concerned, 373 00:18:55,677 --> 00:18:58,096 I know the public was scared 374 00:18:58,138 --> 00:18:59,931 but it was a dead end. 375 00:19:02,308 --> 00:19:06,396 [sinister music playing] 376 00:19:06,438 --> 00:19:08,648 It was probably about a week later 377 00:19:08,690 --> 00:19:10,900 after the Harvey murders 378 00:19:10,942 --> 00:19:12,736 when our supervisor told me 379 00:19:12,777 --> 00:19:15,238 to get the secondary team together 380 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:16,906 because he got some information 381 00:19:16,948 --> 00:19:20,493 from a female named Latoya Paulie. 382 00:19:20,535 --> 00:19:21,911 There was concern 383 00:19:21,953 --> 00:19:24,748 that her friend Ashley Baskerville 384 00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:30,545 might be dead inside the house over in Chesterfield. 385 00:19:30,587 --> 00:19:32,756 We asked her how did she know this. 386 00:19:32,797 --> 00:19:36,593 She said she had talked to her friend on the phone. 387 00:19:36,634 --> 00:19:37,927 So she was worried 388 00:19:37,969 --> 00:19:40,180 that something's wrong with her. 389 00:19:40,221 --> 00:19:41,848 [sinister music playing] 390 00:19:41,890 --> 00:19:43,808 JOHN: So we all got in our cars. 391 00:19:43,850 --> 00:19:49,647 We all drove over to an address on Broad Rock Road. 392 00:19:49,689 --> 00:19:52,901 Went up to the residence where she seem to think 393 00:19:52,942 --> 00:19:56,071 that her friend might be dead on the inside. 394 00:19:56,112 --> 00:20:00,158 We knocked on the door several times. 395 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,952 Got no answer. 396 00:20:02,994 --> 00:20:05,455 We breached the door. 397 00:20:05,497 --> 00:20:07,374 We went in. 398 00:20:07,415 --> 00:20:08,708 The first thing I could see 399 00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:10,794 was some feet sticking out beside 400 00:20:10,835 --> 00:20:14,714 what looked like-- appeared to be a coffee table. 401 00:20:14,756 --> 00:20:17,175 So I went around to see what-- 402 00:20:17,217 --> 00:20:18,635 you know, who that was. 403 00:20:18,677 --> 00:20:21,930 And it was a male party that was laying there. 404 00:20:21,971 --> 00:20:25,558 What I saw was he had been bound 405 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,644 with what appeared to be-- 406 00:20:27,686 --> 00:20:29,854 looked like cords, duct tape. 407 00:20:29,896 --> 00:20:35,860 He had some cellophane wrapping around his face. 408 00:20:35,902 --> 00:20:38,655 And it looked like tubes socks 409 00:20:38,697 --> 00:20:40,740 that had been shoved down his throat 410 00:20:40,782 --> 00:20:43,326 to where he actually looked like he might have died 411 00:20:43,368 --> 00:20:46,955 from asphyxiation, suffocation. 412 00:20:50,750 --> 00:20:53,003 When I went to the bedroom 413 00:20:53,044 --> 00:20:55,672 that was connected to the living room, 414 00:20:55,714 --> 00:20:57,841 I saw a female on the bed 415 00:20:57,882 --> 00:21:00,301 with plastic wrapped around her face 416 00:21:00,343 --> 00:21:02,721 and hands tied behind her back. 417 00:21:03,555 --> 00:21:04,931 There was a rear bedroom 418 00:21:04,973 --> 00:21:07,684 where another female we discovered deceased. 419 00:21:07,726 --> 00:21:10,687 JOHN: The other female was wrapped up 420 00:21:10,729 --> 00:21:13,898 just like the victim laying in the living room floor, 421 00:21:13,940 --> 00:21:18,695 except for it looked like a plastic grocery store bag 422 00:21:18,737 --> 00:21:21,823 might have been wrapped around her head as well. 423 00:21:23,908 --> 00:21:27,037 CONRAD: LaToya provided names of her family 424 00:21:27,078 --> 00:21:28,830 and what they look like. 425 00:21:28,872 --> 00:21:31,041 When she first called in, 426 00:21:31,082 --> 00:21:34,044 the dad, Percyell Tucker, was in the living room. 427 00:21:34,085 --> 00:21:36,671 The mom was Mary Baskerville-Tucker, 428 00:21:36,713 --> 00:21:38,089 was in the rear bedroom. 429 00:21:38,131 --> 00:21:41,092 And their daughter, Ashley Baskerville, 430 00:21:41,134 --> 00:21:42,802 was on the bed. 431 00:21:42,844 --> 00:21:46,890 I ain't ever seen anybody killed and tortured. 432 00:21:46,931 --> 00:21:50,643 I mean, that's just complete torture of a person 433 00:21:50,685 --> 00:21:53,938 by bounding them like that, shoving two socks 434 00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:56,524 and different things down their throat 435 00:21:56,566 --> 00:21:57,942 to where they can't breathe, 436 00:21:57,984 --> 00:22:00,111 and then wrapping their face with saran wrap 437 00:22:00,153 --> 00:22:04,824 and plastic bags and duct tape and cords. 438 00:22:04,866 --> 00:22:07,911 I mean, nobody should have to die a death that way. 439 00:22:07,952 --> 00:22:11,247 I'm like, "Who in the world could do something 440 00:22:11,289 --> 00:22:13,583 to somebody this horrific and, you know, 441 00:22:13,625 --> 00:22:15,919 actually feel somebody in this way 442 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,089 other than somebody who's mentally deranged?" 443 00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:22,759 But as a trained investigator, 444 00:22:22,801 --> 00:22:24,928 you know, when you get to a scene like that, 445 00:22:24,969 --> 00:22:26,721 you can't let your personal feelings 446 00:22:26,763 --> 00:22:28,306 and everything get in the way. 447 00:22:28,348 --> 00:22:29,724 You got a job to do, 448 00:22:29,766 --> 00:22:31,476 and you're training kicks in. 449 00:22:35,230 --> 00:22:37,107 We decided instead of contaminating 450 00:22:37,148 --> 00:22:39,567 the crime scene, we backed out, 451 00:22:39,609 --> 00:22:41,152 posted officers on the front 452 00:22:41,194 --> 00:22:43,154 and the rear entrance of the residence, 453 00:22:43,196 --> 00:22:45,407 and proceeded to call forensics 454 00:22:45,448 --> 00:22:48,868 to come out to collect the evidence. 455 00:22:49,703 --> 00:22:51,287 LEARNED: You see three people 456 00:22:51,329 --> 00:22:55,208 who had been duct taped to death, all right? 457 00:22:55,250 --> 00:22:56,292 Duct taped. 458 00:22:56,334 --> 00:22:59,045 When you put it around somebody's face 459 00:22:59,087 --> 00:23:00,839 starting at the top of their head 460 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,133 and working your way down, there comes a point 461 00:23:03,174 --> 00:23:05,760 where you can't get any air through the duct tape. 462 00:23:05,802 --> 00:23:07,345 Their hands are bound. They can't move. 463 00:23:07,387 --> 00:23:09,806 They can't struggle. Then they suffocate. 464 00:23:09,848 --> 00:23:11,474 That's a horrible way to die. 465 00:23:11,516 --> 00:23:13,810 CONRAD: First, we had the Harveys family. 466 00:23:13,852 --> 00:23:16,980 A horrific homicide that occurred at that residence. 467 00:23:17,022 --> 00:23:19,983 And now we're here at the Baskerville-Tucker 468 00:23:20,025 --> 00:23:24,070 residence with another brutal homicide. 469 00:23:24,112 --> 00:23:27,365 LEARNED: So now we've got two torture scenes, 470 00:23:27,407 --> 00:23:28,825 five days apart. 471 00:23:28,867 --> 00:23:31,661 Completely different neighborhoods. 472 00:23:31,703 --> 00:23:33,329 They didn't know each other, 473 00:23:33,371 --> 00:23:35,665 no connection, no nothing. 474 00:23:35,707 --> 00:23:39,461 Two total sets of strangers killed badly. 475 00:23:39,502 --> 00:23:41,129 What are we dealing with? 476 00:23:41,171 --> 00:23:43,631 CONRAD: Richmond was really, you know, like wondering, 477 00:23:43,673 --> 00:23:45,008 "Wow. What is going on? 478 00:23:45,050 --> 00:23:47,927 Do we have a serial killer on our hands?" 479 00:23:48,303 --> 00:23:51,556 RANDOLPH: Five days after the murder of the Harveys, 480 00:23:58,688 --> 00:24:00,231 the Richmond officers responded 481 00:24:00,273 --> 00:24:02,275 to the Baskerville-Tucker residence. 482 00:24:02,317 --> 00:24:04,944 They found Percyell Tucker, 483 00:24:04,986 --> 00:24:06,529 Mary Baskerville-Tucker, 484 00:24:06,571 --> 00:24:10,325 and Ashley Baskerville dead in the house. 485 00:24:10,367 --> 00:24:13,703 So two families being murdered in their house 486 00:24:13,745 --> 00:24:16,373 just days from each other. 487 00:24:16,414 --> 00:24:19,626 JON: All of them suffered similar injuries. 488 00:24:19,668 --> 00:24:22,045 They were all bound, gagged. 489 00:24:22,087 --> 00:24:24,172 What the hell is happening here? 490 00:24:24,214 --> 00:24:27,092 [radio chatter] 491 00:24:27,133 --> 00:24:29,594 LISA: At the crime scene, we looked to see 492 00:24:29,636 --> 00:24:32,764 if, by some chance, it could be connected 493 00:24:32,806 --> 00:24:34,516 to the Harvey case. 494 00:24:34,557 --> 00:24:37,268 Yes, they're tied up same as the Harveys 495 00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:39,646 but they're tied up with a lamp cord, 496 00:24:39,688 --> 00:24:41,314 so that's easy opportunity. 497 00:24:41,356 --> 00:24:44,192 They were not hit with any objects. 498 00:24:44,234 --> 00:24:46,444 There was nothing out of place. 499 00:24:46,486 --> 00:24:48,697 Didn't set the house on fire. 500 00:24:48,738 --> 00:24:50,448 DARIN: So it was our job, at that point, 501 00:24:50,490 --> 00:24:52,325 to try to collect as much evidence 502 00:24:52,367 --> 00:24:55,453 as we could from the deceased as possible 503 00:24:55,495 --> 00:24:58,331 to look for a connection between the two. 504 00:24:58,373 --> 00:25:01,584 LISA: And we needed to find out more 505 00:25:01,626 --> 00:25:05,296 about the Tucker-Baskerville family. 506 00:25:06,131 --> 00:25:08,550 [suspenseful music playing] 507 00:25:08,591 --> 00:25:13,430 Percyell and Mary were hardworking middle-class folks. 508 00:25:14,347 --> 00:25:16,349 Mary worked for a church. 509 00:25:16,391 --> 00:25:18,977 Percyell, he was a forklift operator. 510 00:25:19,019 --> 00:25:20,770 Loved his job. Loved his wife. 511 00:25:20,812 --> 00:25:23,606 Loved his family. Very similar to the Harveys. 512 00:25:23,648 --> 00:25:25,984 Everybody knew them as just very nice, 513 00:25:26,026 --> 00:25:27,777 church-going people. 514 00:25:27,819 --> 00:25:30,113 RANDOLPH: Ashley Baskerville was the daughter 515 00:25:30,155 --> 00:25:33,825 of Mary Tucker and the stepdaughter 516 00:25:33,867 --> 00:25:36,703 of Percyell Tucker. 517 00:25:38,413 --> 00:25:41,374 JON: Where Percyell and Mary live, 518 00:25:41,416 --> 00:25:43,710 Broad Rock Boulevard, is a known place 519 00:25:43,752 --> 00:25:45,045 for drug activity. 520 00:25:45,086 --> 00:25:48,006 Homicides happen over there. 521 00:25:48,048 --> 00:25:49,966 I think the shock factor was 522 00:25:50,008 --> 00:25:51,676 who they found dead 523 00:25:51,718 --> 00:25:53,720 and folks were like, "These people 524 00:25:53,762 --> 00:25:55,513 didn't bother anybody. 525 00:25:55,555 --> 00:25:59,225 Who would want to kill them and why?" 526 00:26:01,686 --> 00:26:04,064 JOHN: I went to LaToya Paulie's 527 00:26:04,105 --> 00:26:06,358 to interview her and get more information 528 00:26:06,399 --> 00:26:08,526 of how she came about knowing that her friend 529 00:26:08,568 --> 00:26:11,363 might have been dead inside the house. 530 00:26:11,404 --> 00:26:14,532 CONRAD: LaToya, she had dialed 911 531 00:26:14,574 --> 00:26:16,368 and she told the police, 532 00:26:16,409 --> 00:26:19,245 "Something has happened to Ashley." 533 00:26:21,706 --> 00:26:24,459 RANDOLPH: We learned that the victim, 534 00:26:24,501 --> 00:26:28,046 Ashley, and LaToya had met 535 00:26:28,088 --> 00:26:29,506 after they got out of detention. 536 00:26:29,547 --> 00:26:31,508 They just seemed to run into each other 537 00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:34,386 and decided to strike up a friendship. 538 00:26:34,427 --> 00:26:37,389 CONRAD: Also, LaToya provided the names 539 00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:39,099 of two individuals 540 00:26:39,140 --> 00:26:42,143 Ricky Gray and Ray Dandridge. 541 00:26:42,185 --> 00:26:46,272 Ashley was friends with Ricky Gray. 542 00:26:47,232 --> 00:26:50,151 LISA: Ashley, she had been in prison. 543 00:26:50,193 --> 00:26:51,695 And LaToya told us 544 00:26:51,736 --> 00:26:53,988 that's how she and Ricky had met. 545 00:26:54,030 --> 00:26:55,740 They had been prison pen pals. 546 00:26:55,782 --> 00:26:59,119 And Ray Dandridge's uncle 547 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,496 was Ricky Gray. 548 00:27:02,622 --> 00:27:07,544 After prison, Ricky and Ray came to Richmond. 549 00:27:09,379 --> 00:27:14,384 LaToya told us that on January 6th, 2006, 550 00:27:14,426 --> 00:27:17,095 LaToya, Ashley, Ricky, 551 00:27:17,137 --> 00:27:19,431 and Ray were sitting around, 552 00:27:19,472 --> 00:27:22,434 and Ashley said, "We need money." 553 00:27:22,475 --> 00:27:25,270 And she said, "My stepfather 554 00:27:25,311 --> 00:27:27,814 has money in his house." 555 00:27:27,856 --> 00:27:29,649 Ashley didn't get along with her stepdad 556 00:27:29,691 --> 00:27:32,777 because he had rules that she didn't follow. 557 00:27:32,819 --> 00:27:35,363 CONRAD: Ashley agreed for them to tie her up 558 00:27:35,405 --> 00:27:37,615 to make it seem like they were kidnapping her 559 00:27:37,657 --> 00:27:39,826 and wanting some type of ransom for her. 560 00:27:41,036 --> 00:27:44,456 LISA: Ricky and Ray agreed to do it. 561 00:27:44,497 --> 00:27:47,834 LaToya told us that she didn't want anything 562 00:27:47,876 --> 00:27:49,127 to do with them. 563 00:27:49,169 --> 00:27:51,463 So the three of them get in the car. 564 00:27:51,504 --> 00:27:53,298 They drive from Chesterfield 565 00:27:53,340 --> 00:27:56,593 to her mom and stepdad's house. 566 00:27:57,969 --> 00:28:01,639 A couple hours later, Ricky and Ray 567 00:28:01,681 --> 00:28:04,476 came back to LaToya's house. 568 00:28:04,517 --> 00:28:06,144 She asked Ray 569 00:28:06,186 --> 00:28:09,147 where was Ashley and Ray said, 570 00:28:09,189 --> 00:28:12,317 "Ashley gone bye-bye." 571 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,361 CONRAD: That raised concern to LaToya 572 00:28:14,402 --> 00:28:16,112 that something has happened to her friend. 573 00:28:16,154 --> 00:28:19,032 So that's when she contact the police. 574 00:28:20,533 --> 00:28:24,496 JOHN: LaToya, I think, was more fearful 575 00:28:24,537 --> 00:28:26,122 that they were gonna come 576 00:28:26,164 --> 00:28:29,334 and kill her next. 577 00:28:29,376 --> 00:28:33,630 LaToya gave us three phone numbers for Ray Dandridge, 578 00:28:33,672 --> 00:28:36,424 and with Chesterfield PD's assistance, 579 00:28:36,466 --> 00:28:40,261 had her place a call to Ray Dandridge 580 00:28:40,303 --> 00:28:42,681 on his cellphone. 581 00:28:42,722 --> 00:28:47,185 We started to record while she was talking to him. 582 00:28:47,227 --> 00:28:48,478 She asked him 583 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,480 about what happened to Ashley, 584 00:28:50,522 --> 00:28:52,857 and he basically was saying, 585 00:28:52,899 --> 00:28:55,735 "Well, we don't have to worry about Ashley anymore." 586 00:28:57,404 --> 00:28:59,656 Okay. So they killed Ashley, 587 00:28:59,698 --> 00:29:02,242 because she wanted more of the proceeds 588 00:29:02,283 --> 00:29:03,576 from the robberies 589 00:29:03,618 --> 00:29:06,788 or she was gonna go to the police. 590 00:29:09,457 --> 00:29:11,376 LaToya got him to tell us 591 00:29:11,418 --> 00:29:15,088 that he had taken Mr. Tucker's Chevy Blazer 592 00:29:15,130 --> 00:29:18,091 and they're headed back to Pennsylvania. 593 00:29:19,217 --> 00:29:20,301 I got the phone numbers 594 00:29:20,343 --> 00:29:22,303 that LaToya had given us, 595 00:29:22,345 --> 00:29:25,557 the two landlines. I started researching them. 596 00:29:25,598 --> 00:29:29,561 So I came up with an address in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. 597 00:29:29,602 --> 00:29:33,189 I called Philadelphia Police Department. 598 00:29:33,231 --> 00:29:35,108 They put me in touch with a detective, 599 00:29:35,150 --> 00:29:36,443 Howie Peterman. 600 00:29:36,484 --> 00:29:38,194 I told him that we're investigating 601 00:29:38,236 --> 00:29:39,571 a triple homicide 602 00:29:39,612 --> 00:29:41,531 and we were looking for a stolen vehicle 603 00:29:41,573 --> 00:29:43,867 that was taken during the homicide. 604 00:29:43,908 --> 00:29:45,744 He was like, "Okay. I'll get my partner. 605 00:29:45,785 --> 00:29:47,829 We'll go out. We'll look for it." 606 00:29:50,206 --> 00:29:52,625 [siren blaring] 607 00:29:52,667 --> 00:29:54,878 JOHN: Fifteen, twenty minutes later, 608 00:29:54,919 --> 00:29:57,589 my cellphone rings. It's Howie Peterman saying, 609 00:29:57,630 --> 00:30:01,176 yeah, they got Mr. Tucker's truck, the Chevy Blazer, 610 00:30:01,217 --> 00:30:02,761 sitting in the driveway. 611 00:30:02,802 --> 00:30:04,763 The lights are on in the residence 612 00:30:04,804 --> 00:30:07,098 and there's movement inside the residence. 613 00:30:07,140 --> 00:30:10,935 LISA: And because the Philadelphia Police Department 614 00:30:10,977 --> 00:30:13,438 know that three people were killed, 615 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,607 they called the SWAT team. 616 00:30:22,530 --> 00:30:24,949 SWAT team enters the house. 617 00:30:24,991 --> 00:30:28,995 Ray Dandridge tried to run past the police. 618 00:30:29,037 --> 00:30:32,123 DARIN: What we learned from the autopsies 619 00:30:32,165 --> 00:30:33,625 in the Tucker-Baskerville family 620 00:30:33,667 --> 00:30:38,338 was eerily similar to the Harvey family. 621 00:30:38,380 --> 00:30:42,133 One had to wonder if there was any connection 622 00:30:42,175 --> 00:30:50,767 between the two. 623 00:30:50,809 --> 00:30:53,687 NRAD: Richmond Police found that Baskerville-Tucker family 624 00:30:53,728 --> 00:30:56,731 murder suspects, Ricky Gray and Ray Dandridge, 625 00:30:56,773 --> 00:31:00,068 were staying at a relative's house in Philadelphia. 626 00:31:01,152 --> 00:31:03,655 LISA: Homicide detectives went to the home 627 00:31:03,697 --> 00:31:06,074 of Ray Dandridge's dad 628 00:31:06,116 --> 00:31:10,495 and Tucker's vehicle is parked right out front. 629 00:31:10,537 --> 00:31:12,664 The Philadelphia Police Department 630 00:31:12,706 --> 00:31:14,332 keep an eye on the house. 631 00:31:14,374 --> 00:31:18,378 And because they know that three people were killed, 632 00:31:18,420 --> 00:31:20,797 they call the SWAT team. 633 00:31:24,217 --> 00:31:28,346 In the morning of January 7, 2006, 634 00:31:28,388 --> 00:31:30,849 SWAT team enters the house. 635 00:31:30,890 --> 00:31:34,185 Ray Dandridge was eating breakfast at the kitchen table. 636 00:31:34,227 --> 00:31:36,813 And he had heard the police enter the house, 637 00:31:36,855 --> 00:31:40,859 so he tried to run past the police. 638 00:31:45,447 --> 00:31:46,906 They were both arrested, 639 00:31:46,948 --> 00:31:49,868 put in handcuffs, and brought down 640 00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:53,079 to the Philadelphia Police Department. 641 00:31:53,121 --> 00:31:55,331 JOHN: I went in and told the supervisors, 642 00:31:55,373 --> 00:31:57,876 and everybody went crazy, screaming and hollering, 643 00:31:57,917 --> 00:32:01,254 and celebrating, and I was like, "Okay." 644 00:32:01,296 --> 00:32:03,423 I felt relieved for the fact 645 00:32:03,465 --> 00:32:06,634 that Ricky Gray and Ray Dandridge, 646 00:32:06,676 --> 00:32:08,511 they were apprehended. 647 00:32:08,553 --> 00:32:12,140 We're thankful that LaToya came forward. 648 00:32:12,182 --> 00:32:16,144 By doing the right thing, it happened quick. 649 00:32:19,773 --> 00:32:21,775 LEARNED: They bring him in, 650 00:32:21,816 --> 00:32:24,152 and Dandridge, they went after him first 651 00:32:24,194 --> 00:32:25,570 with the interview. 652 00:32:25,612 --> 00:32:28,114 JOHN: Howard Peterman, he called me on my cell. 653 00:32:28,156 --> 00:32:30,700 He's like, "Mr. Ray Dandridge 654 00:32:30,742 --> 00:32:32,702 is wanting to sing like a bird." 655 00:32:32,744 --> 00:32:35,663 And I was like, "Well, advise him of Miranda 656 00:32:35,705 --> 00:32:39,000 and talk to him. See what he's got to say." 657 00:32:40,043 --> 00:32:41,544 He called me back 658 00:32:41,586 --> 00:32:42,879 and he told me, he was like, 659 00:32:42,921 --> 00:32:44,756 "You're not gonna believe this," 660 00:32:44,798 --> 00:32:47,092 he's like, "But he's confessed 661 00:32:47,133 --> 00:32:48,843 to the triple homicide involving 662 00:32:48,885 --> 00:32:52,305 Ms. Ashley Baskerville and the Tuckers." 663 00:32:55,725 --> 00:32:58,978 LISA: He said that they had planned to tie up Ashley 664 00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:02,440 to get money from her stepdad. 665 00:33:02,482 --> 00:33:04,776 Ray said that he and Ricky 666 00:33:04,818 --> 00:33:06,069 had already talked 667 00:33:06,111 --> 00:33:11,074 and Ricky was going to kill Ashley. 668 00:33:12,450 --> 00:33:13,827 And the reason behind that 669 00:33:13,868 --> 00:33:18,164 was because she wanted too much money. 670 00:33:18,206 --> 00:33:23,003 Ray Dandridge told us that he and Ashley and Ricky, 671 00:33:23,044 --> 00:33:26,464 the three of them were going to Ashley's house. 672 00:33:27,132 --> 00:33:28,883 When they got there, 673 00:33:28,925 --> 00:33:32,053 they tie up Mr. And Mrs. Tucker 674 00:33:32,095 --> 00:33:35,473 after they tell them where the money is. 675 00:33:35,515 --> 00:33:38,518 So they robbed them and then they put a bag 676 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,856 over Mr. Tucker's head and duct tape it. 677 00:33:43,940 --> 00:33:45,525 And Ray told us 678 00:33:45,567 --> 00:33:48,069 Ashley's right there for all of this. 679 00:33:48,903 --> 00:33:50,655 Ricky turns around and says, 680 00:33:50,697 --> 00:33:53,116 "You want too much money. You're dead." 681 00:33:56,536 --> 00:33:59,080 So he drags her in the hallway 682 00:33:59,122 --> 00:34:01,291 to the mother's bedroom. 683 00:34:01,332 --> 00:34:02,834 Mom was tied up. 684 00:34:02,876 --> 00:34:06,254 Ray said that Ricky told Ashley 685 00:34:06,296 --> 00:34:11,509 to tell your mom goodbye one last time. 686 00:34:11,551 --> 00:34:15,180 Ashley said, "I'm so sorry, Mom. I love you." 687 00:34:15,221 --> 00:34:18,767 And all the mother said was, "Ashley, why?" 688 00:34:18,808 --> 00:34:20,393 And they put the bags over their head, 689 00:34:20,435 --> 00:34:23,355 duct tape them, and they were they were dead. 690 00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:28,651 They went back to LaToya's house 691 00:34:28,693 --> 00:34:30,862 and that's when LaToya asked, 692 00:34:30,904 --> 00:34:32,238 "Ray, where was Ashley?" 693 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,116 And he said, "Ashley went bye-bye." 694 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,703 So, at that time, 695 00:34:38,745 --> 00:34:40,747 Ricky Gray and Dandridge 696 00:34:40,789 --> 00:34:45,126 were charged with three counts of murder. 697 00:34:45,168 --> 00:34:49,089 JOHN: Now, that they were in custody, 698 00:34:49,130 --> 00:34:51,216 everybody was wondering 699 00:34:51,257 --> 00:34:53,426 if they might be responsible 700 00:34:53,468 --> 00:34:55,512 for the Harvey family case. 701 00:34:55,553 --> 00:34:59,265 But we didn't have the physical evidence. 702 00:35:02,060 --> 00:35:04,562 DARIN: What we learned from the autopsies 703 00:35:04,604 --> 00:35:08,441 was that all members of the Tucker-Baskerville family 704 00:35:08,483 --> 00:35:10,276 died of suffocation. 705 00:35:10,318 --> 00:35:13,530 Both Percyell and Mary Tucker had suffered 706 00:35:13,571 --> 00:35:16,408 sharp force injuries to their neck. 707 00:35:16,449 --> 00:35:20,412 And Percyell also received a stab wound to his abdomen. 708 00:35:20,453 --> 00:35:24,499 But we determined that those were not immediately lethal. 709 00:35:24,541 --> 00:35:26,668 Having just seen a family of four 710 00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:28,128 with the Harvey family 711 00:35:28,169 --> 00:35:31,006 having been the victims of homicidal violence, 712 00:35:31,047 --> 00:35:33,383 now seeing a family of three 713 00:35:33,425 --> 00:35:35,385 in almost the same situation, 714 00:35:35,427 --> 00:35:39,973 being gagged, being bound with tape, 715 00:35:40,015 --> 00:35:42,100 the description of the scene 716 00:35:42,142 --> 00:35:44,602 and of the decedents 717 00:35:44,644 --> 00:35:47,147 was eerily similar 718 00:35:47,188 --> 00:35:49,858 to the Harvey family, 719 00:35:49,899 --> 00:35:51,443 one had to wonder 720 00:35:51,484 --> 00:35:54,988 if there was any connection between the two. 721 00:35:56,322 --> 00:35:58,616 LISA: One of the forensics people called and said, 722 00:35:58,658 --> 00:36:02,620 "Hey, you need to come down the medical examiner's office." 723 00:36:02,662 --> 00:36:04,289 So we go down there, 724 00:36:04,330 --> 00:36:05,957 and they were getting ready 725 00:36:05,999 --> 00:36:09,919 to turn the jewelry from Mr. Tucker 726 00:36:09,961 --> 00:36:14,883 and Ms. Baskerville-Tucker to the family. 727 00:36:14,924 --> 00:36:17,510 And on Ashley's ring finger 728 00:36:18,678 --> 00:36:20,680 was Kathryn's ring. 729 00:36:22,140 --> 00:36:24,309 Kathryn's ring was very distinct. 730 00:36:24,351 --> 00:36:26,728 Bryan had it made for her. 731 00:36:26,770 --> 00:36:28,063 Hellfire went through me, 732 00:36:28,104 --> 00:36:30,648 because, "How dare you have 733 00:36:30,690 --> 00:36:32,734 her ring on your finger?" 734 00:36:35,111 --> 00:36:37,655 So, at that point, there's now evidence 735 00:36:37,697 --> 00:36:39,532 connecting the Harvey family 736 00:36:39,574 --> 00:36:42,494 and the Baskerville-Tucker family. 737 00:36:42,535 --> 00:36:46,164 That kind of brought everything full circle. 738 00:36:51,294 --> 00:36:54,547 JOHN: So, now, with the ring evidence, 739 00:36:54,589 --> 00:36:57,217 I called Howie Peterman in Philadelphia 740 00:36:57,258 --> 00:36:59,386 to ask Ray Dandridge if he knows anything 741 00:36:59,427 --> 00:37:03,431 about this quadruple homicide involving the Harveys. 742 00:37:04,766 --> 00:37:07,519 He called me back and said Ray Dandridge, 743 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,356 he wanted a deal for a lesser sentence 744 00:37:11,398 --> 00:37:14,401 and confess to the Harvey family 745 00:37:14,442 --> 00:37:17,737 involving the two kids and the mother and the father. 746 00:37:21,533 --> 00:37:25,286 LEARNED: We now have a confession from Dandridge. 747 00:37:26,413 --> 00:37:27,747 So we got him. 748 00:37:27,789 --> 00:37:29,541 But we still got Gray. 749 00:37:29,582 --> 00:37:31,209 Gray is not talking. 750 00:37:32,669 --> 00:37:35,380 LISA: Once he found out that Ray Dandridge 751 00:37:35,422 --> 00:37:39,092 had spilled the beans on everything, 752 00:37:39,134 --> 00:37:41,177 Ricky Gray then told us 753 00:37:41,219 --> 00:37:44,556 what he did at the Harvey murders. 754 00:37:44,597 --> 00:37:47,017 LEARNED: He explains what happened. 755 00:37:47,058 --> 00:37:49,811 And this was a horrendous killing 756 00:37:49,853 --> 00:37:52,272 by anyone's standards. Just horrible. 757 00:37:52,647 --> 00:37:54,607 LEARNED: In Ricky Gray's confession 758 00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:07,287 to the Philadelphia detective, 759 00:38:07,328 --> 00:38:08,913 he said they needed some money. 760 00:38:08,955 --> 00:38:11,416 They just were gonna break into somebody's house 761 00:38:11,458 --> 00:38:16,004 and do a robbery. He, Dandridge, and Ashley. 762 00:38:17,172 --> 00:38:19,382 JON: Ashley, for the Harvey family, 763 00:38:19,424 --> 00:38:21,176 was basically the getaway driver. 764 00:38:21,217 --> 00:38:23,762 She had pretty much driven them to that Southside community 765 00:38:23,803 --> 00:38:25,889 and dropped them and let them walk 766 00:38:25,930 --> 00:38:29,351 and figure out where they were gonna target. 767 00:38:31,102 --> 00:38:33,813 LISA: Ricky said that they saw the door open 768 00:38:33,855 --> 00:38:36,274 to the Harvey house, and they walk right 769 00:38:36,316 --> 00:38:38,526 in the Harvey house. 770 00:38:38,568 --> 00:38:41,821 They put Bryan on the ground. 771 00:38:41,863 --> 00:38:45,742 And then Ruby who was playing with the puzzle. 772 00:38:45,784 --> 00:38:47,660 They take them back to the kitchen. 773 00:38:47,702 --> 00:38:49,537 At that point, they grabbed the knife 774 00:38:49,579 --> 00:38:52,499 that Kathryn was using to cut the vegetables. 775 00:38:52,540 --> 00:38:55,877 Told them if they behave, they were gonna rob them 776 00:38:55,919 --> 00:38:58,672 and then they would leave them alone. 777 00:38:58,713 --> 00:39:01,007 When they got down to the basement, 778 00:39:01,049 --> 00:39:02,425 they tied Bryan up, 779 00:39:02,467 --> 00:39:04,844 they tied Kathryn up, 780 00:39:04,886 --> 00:39:07,514 and they tied Ruby up. 781 00:39:07,555 --> 00:39:10,850 At that point, Ricky Gray tells Ray Dandridge, 782 00:39:10,892 --> 00:39:13,812 "Go upstairs and see what you can find 783 00:39:13,853 --> 00:39:17,190 that we can steal." He goes up in the bedroom. 784 00:39:17,232 --> 00:39:19,693 He looks out the window and he sees a lady 785 00:39:19,734 --> 00:39:23,071 and two kids walking up to the house. 786 00:39:24,072 --> 00:39:26,324 So he runs to the basement and said, 787 00:39:26,366 --> 00:39:27,701 "There are two kids and a lady coming." 788 00:39:27,742 --> 00:39:31,454 Ricky Gray undoes Kathryn's gag 789 00:39:31,496 --> 00:39:34,541 and tells her if she says anything 790 00:39:34,582 --> 00:39:38,044 or gets away anything, he'll kill her husband 791 00:39:38,086 --> 00:39:40,880 and their daughter in the basement. 792 00:39:40,922 --> 00:39:42,674 LEARNED: It was the most painful thing 793 00:39:42,716 --> 00:39:45,885 any mother could have possibly ever gone through. 794 00:39:45,927 --> 00:39:48,221 She can save one child and herself 795 00:39:48,263 --> 00:39:49,681 but then she leaves the two other two 796 00:39:49,723 --> 00:39:52,517 down in the basement with the bad guys. 797 00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:54,561 And, at this point, they were cooperating. 798 00:39:54,602 --> 00:39:56,104 No one was being rough. 799 00:39:56,146 --> 00:40:00,525 They thought, "Okay, maybe we can get through this." 800 00:40:03,528 --> 00:40:05,905 The mom goes down hoping and praying that, 801 00:40:05,947 --> 00:40:09,242 "Okay. We haven't caused any trouble. You let us go." 802 00:40:09,284 --> 00:40:12,579 At that point, they decide they don't have on masks 803 00:40:12,620 --> 00:40:14,998 and they make the decision, "Now, we gotta kill them 804 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,625 because they see us." 805 00:40:17,667 --> 00:40:19,919 Then they cut their throats. 806 00:40:19,961 --> 00:40:22,756 But that doesn't kill people if you don't do it correctly. 807 00:40:22,797 --> 00:40:26,343 So they finally took out the ball-peen hammer 808 00:40:26,384 --> 00:40:29,429 and beat them all in the--in the head. 809 00:40:29,471 --> 00:40:32,640 And then they light the place on fire, 810 00:40:32,682 --> 00:40:35,101 make their getaway. 811 00:40:35,143 --> 00:40:38,730 So within six hours, we went from nothing 812 00:40:40,231 --> 00:40:41,983 to we got them. 813 00:40:42,025 --> 00:40:45,487 LISA: And we find out on New Year's Day, 814 00:40:45,528 --> 00:40:47,655 Ricky and Ray 815 00:40:47,697 --> 00:40:52,118 bring a big round basket of cookies 816 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,287 and give them to LaToya's mom. 817 00:40:54,329 --> 00:40:56,790 Well, that ends up being the basket 818 00:40:56,831 --> 00:40:59,459 that made the round ring in the kitchen 819 00:40:59,501 --> 00:41:01,961 at the Harvey house. 820 00:41:03,463 --> 00:41:05,298 I mean, to take a basket of cookies 821 00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:09,969 from a family who you just tortured and murdered 822 00:41:10,011 --> 00:41:14,307 and then give them to another person, 823 00:41:14,349 --> 00:41:16,142 that's a hard concept to get. 824 00:41:21,356 --> 00:41:26,194 So Ricky went to trial in August of 2006. 825 00:41:27,404 --> 00:41:30,824 He was charged with killing the Harvey family, 826 00:41:30,865 --> 00:41:34,619 and Percyell Tucker, and Ashley's mom, 827 00:41:34,661 --> 00:41:36,830 Mrs. Baskerville Tucker. 828 00:41:36,871 --> 00:41:39,708 It wasn't long that they came back with a verdict. 829 00:41:39,749 --> 00:41:42,711 Ricky Gray was found guilty. 830 00:41:43,878 --> 00:41:46,464 LEARNED: He got the death penalty for killing 831 00:41:46,506 --> 00:41:48,383 two families. 832 00:41:48,425 --> 00:41:50,343 LISA: Ray Dandridge went to court 833 00:41:50,385 --> 00:41:53,513 in September of 2006. 834 00:41:53,555 --> 00:41:56,599 Dandridge was charged with the murders 835 00:41:56,641 --> 00:42:00,645 of Ashley, Kathryn, and Stella. 836 00:42:00,687 --> 00:42:04,691 LEARNED: Ray Dandridge reached a guilty plea 837 00:42:04,733 --> 00:42:07,861 about a day into his trial. 838 00:42:07,902 --> 00:42:11,072 LISA: So he agreed to three life sentences. 839 00:42:13,658 --> 00:42:15,618 LEARNED: I cannot tell you, after that trial, 840 00:42:15,660 --> 00:42:16,995 how many people said, 841 00:42:17,037 --> 00:42:19,205 "I'm opposed to the death penalty 842 00:42:19,247 --> 00:42:20,999 but it was okay for that case." 843 00:42:21,041 --> 00:42:23,376 You don't kill families, 844 00:42:23,418 --> 00:42:25,170 and that's what those two guys did. 845 00:42:25,211 --> 00:42:27,630 ARMISTEAD: When I heard the verdict, 846 00:42:27,672 --> 00:42:31,676 I just started crying like a baby. Just wailing. 847 00:42:31,718 --> 00:42:37,724 It was over, but I just wanted my friends back, you know? 848 00:42:37,766 --> 00:42:39,225 We missed them so bad 849 00:42:39,267 --> 00:42:42,979 that we just keep them with us. 850 00:42:44,689 --> 00:42:47,359 LEARNED: Ryan Harvey, Kathy Harvey, 851 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,277 Ruby, and Stella, 852 00:42:49,319 --> 00:42:51,404 both Mr. and Mrs. Tucker, 853 00:42:51,446 --> 00:42:54,449 these two families were wonderful people 854 00:42:54,491 --> 00:42:56,951 and the salt of the Earth. 855 00:42:56,993 --> 00:42:59,537 LISA: Mr. Tucker didn't deserve that, 856 00:42:59,579 --> 00:43:02,248 neither did his wife. 857 00:43:02,290 --> 00:43:04,167 They had a nice life. 858 00:43:04,209 --> 00:43:06,795 They worked hard for what they had. 859 00:43:06,836 --> 00:43:10,006 And all that was taken away because their daughter 860 00:43:10,048 --> 00:43:12,258 wanted money. 861 00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:14,552 It just doesn't make sense. 862 00:43:14,594 --> 00:43:17,430 And the Harveys didn't deserve it. 863 00:43:17,472 --> 00:43:19,724 They are six innocent people. 864 00:43:19,766 --> 00:43:19,891 [eerie music playing]