1 00:00:05,589 --> 00:00:06,924 Coming up on The Problem… 2 00:00:07,007 --> 00:00:08,842 Gun deaths have reached an all-time high. 3 00:00:08,926 --> 00:00:11,595 I believe the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. 4 00:00:11,678 --> 00:00:15,140 The Constitution uses that very specific affirmative language. 5 00:00:15,224 --> 00:00:18,602 It's also the one right that uses the phrase "well-regulated." 6 00:00:18,685 --> 00:00:21,021 All I hear from the right is, "We back the blue." 7 00:00:21,104 --> 00:00:24,525 Permitless carry will inhibit our ability to do our job. 8 00:00:24,608 --> 00:00:27,653 I think I found the smoking gun, and it's literally a smoking gun. 9 00:01:12,739 --> 00:01:13,740 I just pulled my shoulder out. 10 00:01:13,824 --> 00:01:14,825 Hello! 11 00:01:17,286 --> 00:01:18,287 Hello! 12 00:01:20,330 --> 00:01:22,666 Welcome to The Problem with Jon Stewart. We are back. 13 00:01:22,749 --> 00:01:28,046 This is the first show of part two of season two. 14 00:01:28,130 --> 00:01:33,927 It's Season Two: The Way of the Water. That's what this is. This-- 15 00:01:34,761 --> 00:01:38,348 Which, if you've seen that… Why? 16 00:01:43,687 --> 00:01:45,314 I think I need new management. 17 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,446 They're studying to be entertainment managers. 18 00:01:54,573 --> 00:01:57,993 Last we spoke, the first part of season two, 19 00:01:58,869 --> 00:02:00,162 it was right around the midterm elections. 20 00:02:00,245 --> 00:02:04,333 And I think we learned two things from the midterms experience. 21 00:02:04,416 --> 00:02:09,086 One, George Santos is a rising star. 22 00:02:13,050 --> 00:02:16,803 He's not red, he's not blue. He's just creamy. 23 00:02:19,014 --> 00:02:20,766 I just want to spread him on toast. 24 00:02:23,143 --> 00:02:25,312 He's Margarine Taylor Green. 25 00:02:30,275 --> 00:02:34,029 And number two, there was a message that the right in this country 26 00:02:34,112 --> 00:02:37,324 very much wanted us to hear before the midterms. 27 00:02:38,325 --> 00:02:41,745 An out-of-control crime crisis continues to grip this country. 28 00:02:41,828 --> 00:02:44,957 People are regularly shot, beaten and robbed in public. 29 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,917 Americans living in war zones. 30 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,377 Stray bullets hitting bodies. 31 00:02:48,460 --> 00:02:49,586 Bloodshed everywhere. 32 00:02:49,670 --> 00:02:51,296 It's destroying America. 33 00:02:51,380 --> 00:02:53,757 And all of us could be targeted at any time. 34 00:02:53,841 --> 00:02:56,802 Thank you, I just shit my pants. 35 00:02:59,513 --> 00:03:00,514 Wow. 36 00:03:01,890 --> 00:03:05,185 Clearly rampant murder is not a thing that we should ignore. 37 00:03:05,269 --> 00:03:07,855 But crime is a nuanced conversation with many factors at play. 38 00:03:07,938 --> 00:03:11,775 Socioeconomics, geography, metrics. Where would we even start? 39 00:03:11,859 --> 00:03:14,611 The crime that we are seeing surging across this country 40 00:03:14,695 --> 00:03:20,158 is a direct result of Democrats' soft-on-crime policies. 41 00:03:20,242 --> 00:03:23,161 Democrats' pro-criminal policies have put-- 42 00:03:23,245 --> 00:03:25,706 have literally made our cities war zones. 43 00:03:25,789 --> 00:03:28,166 This "no cash bail" thing is nonsense. 44 00:03:28,250 --> 00:03:30,961 Who releases criminals back on the street, 45 00:03:31,044 --> 00:03:32,921 knowing they're gonna commit more crimes again? 46 00:03:33,005 --> 00:03:35,382 Are you just talking about Matt Gaetz? 47 00:03:38,260 --> 00:03:40,053 But you know what? Let's test that assertion. 48 00:03:40,137 --> 00:03:43,557 If the crime surge is a direct result of Democratic soft-on-crime policies 49 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,519 like cashless bail, the rearrest rates would be sky high. 50 00:03:47,603 --> 00:03:48,687 But they're not. 51 00:03:48,770 --> 00:03:52,399 In fact, even the NYPD Blue-- 52 00:03:56,737 --> 00:03:57,863 That is a different show. 53 00:04:00,032 --> 00:04:03,410 Even the NYPD's own evidence has debunked claims 54 00:04:03,493 --> 00:04:06,622 that cashless bail is to blame for the spike in gun violence. 55 00:04:07,122 --> 00:04:11,126 And what about New Jersey? A state so nice they named it once. 56 00:04:13,420 --> 00:04:16,089 New Jersey implemented bail reform in 2017, 57 00:04:16,173 --> 00:04:18,591 and in the following year, crime rates plunged. 58 00:04:18,675 --> 00:04:21,011 Of course, it's Jersey, so nobody saw nothing. 59 00:04:25,891 --> 00:04:26,892 Capisce? 60 00:04:27,726 --> 00:04:29,436 Plus violent crime is spiking 61 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:34,191 even in areas without bail reform and Democrats' soft-on-crime policy. 62 00:04:34,274 --> 00:04:37,819 So maybe something else is driving the chaos. 63 00:04:39,154 --> 00:04:42,616 Maybe the crimes themselves contain clues. 64 00:04:45,536 --> 00:04:46,411 Roll the tape. 65 00:04:46,495 --> 00:04:47,621 The gunman opened fire. 66 00:04:47,704 --> 00:04:48,622 A gunman opened fire. 67 00:04:48,705 --> 00:04:50,916 -A man shot… -A man shot his wife. 68 00:04:52,501 --> 00:04:53,502 Men. 69 00:04:53,585 --> 00:04:54,586 Yeah! 70 00:05:02,302 --> 00:05:05,347 The problem be men. 71 00:05:05,430 --> 00:05:06,640 A woman shot her husband. 72 00:05:06,723 --> 00:05:07,766 The shooter, a woman. 73 00:05:07,850 --> 00:05:09,351 The woman shot that driver. 74 00:05:14,273 --> 00:05:15,732 The problem be women. 75 00:05:16,775 --> 00:05:17,776 And men. 76 00:05:18,694 --> 00:05:21,655 The problem be humans. 77 00:05:21,738 --> 00:05:25,117 -What happened? -Well, a gun went off. 78 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,120 -She shot herself? -No, she didn't do it herself. 79 00:05:28,203 --> 00:05:30,956 The dog stepped on it and it went off. 80 00:05:31,039 --> 00:05:33,250 -The dog shot her? -Yeah. 81 00:05:36,044 --> 00:05:38,130 This is for Old Yeller, bitch! 82 00:05:41,633 --> 00:05:42,759 But that's a freak thing. 83 00:05:42,843 --> 00:05:45,095 It's not like that happens all the time in the-- 84 00:05:45,179 --> 00:05:48,140 A 74-year-old New Mexico man is in the hospital 85 00:05:48,223 --> 00:05:51,518 after his dog shot him during a hunting trip. 86 00:05:51,602 --> 00:05:55,564 One woman decided to name her dog "Trigger," and guess what happened next. 87 00:05:55,647 --> 00:05:56,648 The dog shot her. 88 00:06:00,652 --> 00:06:04,448 Well, I bet they're glad they didn't name the dog "Butthole Biter." 89 00:06:07,117 --> 00:06:08,452 Look, I'm no Benoit Blanc… 90 00:06:13,207 --> 00:06:16,710 but I think I found the smoking gun, and it's literally a smoking gun. 91 00:06:16,793 --> 00:06:20,088 In fact, while the link between a spike in violent crime 92 00:06:20,172 --> 00:06:23,342 and Democrats' soft-on-crime policies doesn't really exist, 93 00:06:23,425 --> 00:06:27,346 a ton of research shows that the strongest and clearest link 94 00:06:27,429 --> 00:06:30,891 to increased murder and lethal violence is more guns. 95 00:06:31,391 --> 00:06:35,312 And knowing how upset the right is over this spike in crime, 96 00:06:35,395 --> 00:06:38,023 they must be ready to pounce on this new information. 97 00:06:39,650 --> 00:06:41,235 Guns better watch their backs. 98 00:06:41,318 --> 00:06:44,780 Americans own 46% of the world's guns. 99 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:47,699 I think we need to get our numbers up, boys and girls. 100 00:06:47,783 --> 00:06:49,993 Put guns in the hands of the good men and women. 101 00:06:50,077 --> 00:06:51,745 We want to arm our teachers. 102 00:06:51,828 --> 00:06:53,497 Commercial pilots should be armed. 103 00:06:53,580 --> 00:06:55,499 Guns save lives. 104 00:06:55,582 --> 00:06:57,042 I want everybody to own a gun. 105 00:06:58,377 --> 00:07:00,337 I would have said house, but okay… 106 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:08,512 Yes, Republicans are the first to pounce on crime spikes 107 00:07:08,595 --> 00:07:13,016 while never acknowledging that it's their dismantling of reasonable gun regulation 108 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:15,894 that's enabled the fucking thing in the first place. 109 00:07:15,978 --> 00:07:16,854 And thus… 110 00:07:18,772 --> 00:07:20,732 the problem with crime. 111 00:07:21,233 --> 00:07:23,819 It turns out, our loudest tough-on-crime advocates 112 00:07:23,902 --> 00:07:26,780 are trying to solve the problem with the problem. 113 00:07:27,406 --> 00:07:30,117 They'll blame gun violence on literally anything else 114 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,786 so they don't have to answer for the guns they're flooding into the streets. 115 00:07:32,870 --> 00:07:36,540 Bail reform, video games, family structure, porn, 116 00:07:36,623 --> 00:07:39,209 Satan, singers dressed like Satan. 117 00:07:39,293 --> 00:07:41,044 Too much sex, not enough sex. 118 00:07:41,128 --> 00:07:41,962 The Jews! 119 00:07:55,434 --> 00:08:00,063 And hundreds of millions of gun sales later, the streets are filled with chaos 120 00:08:00,147 --> 00:08:02,649 and gun deaths have reached an all-time high. 121 00:08:02,733 --> 00:08:04,067 Perhaps there's a connection. 122 00:08:04,568 --> 00:08:06,987 And, of course, when a 1993 CDC-funded study 123 00:08:07,070 --> 00:08:08,780 basically drove this very point home, 124 00:08:08,864 --> 00:08:13,911 Republicans did take action by banning the government from studying guns. 125 00:08:14,786 --> 00:08:17,331 'Cause, you know, guns don't kill people. 126 00:08:17,414 --> 00:08:19,708 Double-blind longitudinal studies do. 127 00:08:21,168 --> 00:08:22,377 But worry not. 128 00:08:22,461 --> 00:08:24,713 There's a very simple explanation for all this. 129 00:08:24,796 --> 00:08:27,591 The truth is, the most violent and lawless cities in America 130 00:08:27,674 --> 00:08:29,426 have the most stringent gun controls. 131 00:08:29,510 --> 00:08:30,511 Look at Chicago. 132 00:08:30,594 --> 00:08:31,720 If they worked, 133 00:08:31,803 --> 00:08:37,351 Chicago wouldn't be the murder hellhole that it has been for far too long. 134 00:08:37,433 --> 00:08:41,063 He's just mad at Chicago 'cause he's never found the bean. 135 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:47,861 Yeah, the bean. 136 00:08:49,404 --> 00:08:50,405 I'll say it again. 137 00:08:51,406 --> 00:08:53,992 Ted Cruz has never found the bean. 138 00:08:55,619 --> 00:08:57,329 It's there in Chicago. 139 00:08:58,121 --> 00:08:59,122 Right there. 140 00:09:00,374 --> 00:09:01,375 There it is. 141 00:09:03,335 --> 00:09:05,504 You know you've gone too far south if you hit the brown line. 142 00:09:05,587 --> 00:09:06,755 Listen… 143 00:09:07,881 --> 00:09:12,761 That would be a great point about cities and their permissive gun laws, 144 00:09:12,845 --> 00:09:17,558 except 66% of guns recovered at crime scenes in Chicago 145 00:09:17,641 --> 00:09:19,518 come from states with weaker gun laws. 146 00:09:19,601 --> 00:09:22,229 In California, it's 45%. 147 00:09:22,312 --> 00:09:26,149 And in New York, 81% of guns used in crimes 148 00:09:26,233 --> 00:09:30,445 are trafficked from "anything goes" states like Florida, Georgia and South Carolina. 149 00:09:31,154 --> 00:09:33,490 You might even suggest 150 00:09:33,574 --> 00:09:37,619 that there's a caravan of undocumented and illegal guns 151 00:09:38,954 --> 00:09:43,709 flowing over the border and flooding our cities with violent crime. 152 00:09:44,793 --> 00:09:46,795 Perhaps we should build a wall… 153 00:09:48,172 --> 00:09:49,923 and have Mexico pay for it. 154 00:09:50,966 --> 00:09:55,262 Except, unfortunately, almost all the guns recovered at crime scenes in Mexico 155 00:09:55,345 --> 00:09:57,139 are from the United States. 156 00:09:58,974 --> 00:09:59,975 Yeah. 157 00:10:01,185 --> 00:10:04,980 It means the right's whole law and order persona is bullshit. 158 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,024 Especially this part. 159 00:10:07,107 --> 00:10:09,610 Now is the time to support our law enforcement. 160 00:10:09,693 --> 00:10:11,528 We will never defund the police. 161 00:10:11,612 --> 00:10:13,780 Republicans back the blue. 162 00:10:13,864 --> 00:10:16,533 We proudly stand with our brave men and women in blue. 163 00:10:17,910 --> 00:10:18,994 Yes, I know that. 164 00:10:21,872 --> 00:10:24,708 You're losing her! Say something about pronouns! 165 00:10:26,543 --> 00:10:29,129 Look, this isn't about banning guns. 166 00:10:29,213 --> 00:10:33,008 But all the loosening of any regulation or restriction 167 00:10:33,091 --> 00:10:38,013 or permitting requirements around guns actually fucks the blue. 168 00:10:38,764 --> 00:10:41,225 Don't believe me? Ask the blue. 169 00:10:41,725 --> 00:10:43,727 I believe that open carry is a result-- 170 00:10:43,810 --> 00:10:46,480 will result in fear and confusion of our officers. 171 00:10:46,563 --> 00:10:49,066 That officer has to make that split-second decision 172 00:10:49,691 --> 00:10:51,443 if he's a bad guy or a good guy. 173 00:10:51,527 --> 00:10:55,739 You won't know whether or not a person has a conviction and is carrying a gun 174 00:10:55,822 --> 00:10:57,908 or doesn't have a conviction and carrying a gun. 175 00:10:57,991 --> 00:11:02,996 This poses a exponential threat to every law enforcement officer. 176 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,707 We need to stand our ground on this. 177 00:11:05,791 --> 00:11:09,253 Call your representative, call your senator and let 'em know. 178 00:11:10,629 --> 00:11:14,216 Let them know that this is bad, bad legislation. 179 00:11:14,299 --> 00:11:15,300 Since the 1980s, 180 00:11:15,384 --> 00:11:18,971 Republicans have made it harder for police to track and trace guns used in crimes. 181 00:11:19,054 --> 00:11:22,724 They even prevented law enforcement from upgrading gun data from paper to digital 182 00:11:22,808 --> 00:11:24,852 so records can't be searched electronically. 183 00:11:24,935 --> 00:11:27,688 Republicans scream about Democrats defunding the police, 184 00:11:27,771 --> 00:11:30,649 but they've so defunded the ATF, the federal police, 185 00:11:30,732 --> 00:11:34,945 that it currently has fewer employees than it did in the 1970s. 186 00:11:35,028 --> 00:11:35,863 As a result, 187 00:11:35,946 --> 00:11:41,326 it takes the ATF 12 to 14 days to perform a routine trace on a crime gun. 188 00:11:41,410 --> 00:11:44,663 It's so hard for the police to piece together evidence, 189 00:11:44,746 --> 00:11:47,249 they're only solving 50% of murders and violent crimes. 190 00:11:47,332 --> 00:11:51,211 Imagine if half of Law & Order episodes just ended with Ice-T going, 191 00:11:51,295 --> 00:11:52,462 "Well, we tried." 192 00:11:53,755 --> 00:11:56,300 I guess the victim wasn't that special after all. 193 00:11:57,509 --> 00:11:58,635 And the net result, 194 00:11:58,719 --> 00:12:01,555 more cops are being shot and killed in the line of duty. 195 00:12:01,638 --> 00:12:03,473 And in ten states with permitless carry, 196 00:12:03,557 --> 00:12:06,643 police shootings of civilians went up 13%, 197 00:12:06,727 --> 00:12:10,397 'cause we are all outgunned, and we are all paying for it. 198 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,192 The right wants strict rules for everything, 199 00:12:13,275 --> 00:12:14,860 from what teachers can teach, 200 00:12:14,943 --> 00:12:18,864 to who can read to children, to what color mermaids are. 201 00:12:18,947 --> 00:12:21,867 For God's sake, they want a registry of who's having their periods. 202 00:12:21,950 --> 00:12:26,496 For, I assume, the maintenance of a well-regulated menstruation. 203 00:12:26,580 --> 00:12:30,626 But when it comes to just fucking filling out paperwork 204 00:12:30,709 --> 00:12:32,961 to get a gun, too far. 205 00:12:33,670 --> 00:12:37,674 But inconvenience is not the same as infringement. 206 00:12:38,217 --> 00:12:41,970 And your fear of some dystopian authoritarian future 207 00:12:42,054 --> 00:12:44,306 is making it impossible for the rest of us 208 00:12:44,389 --> 00:12:47,851 to make life better in our dystopian present. 209 00:12:48,769 --> 00:12:49,770 Take a look at this. 210 00:12:53,148 --> 00:12:54,650 Democrats are destroying this country… 211 00:12:54,733 --> 00:12:56,318 …with their weak-on-crime policies. 212 00:12:56,401 --> 00:12:57,361 If you want to stop crime… 213 00:12:57,444 --> 00:12:58,278 Let me save you some time… 214 00:12:58,362 --> 00:13:00,197 -It's clear the answer is… -Guns… 215 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,490 -Guns… -Guns… 216 00:13:01,573 --> 00:13:03,283 -Guns… -Guns… 217 00:13:03,367 --> 00:13:04,868 What about social policies… 218 00:13:04,952 --> 00:13:06,578 -…for the mentally ill… -…and the poor? 219 00:13:06,662 --> 00:13:07,871 Get out of here with that… 220 00:13:07,955 --> 00:13:08,997 You dumb schmucks. 221 00:13:09,081 --> 00:13:10,457 -All we need is more… -Guns… 222 00:13:10,541 --> 00:13:11,750 -Guns… -Guns… 223 00:13:11,834 --> 00:13:14,336 -Guns… -Guns for teachers… 224 00:13:14,419 --> 00:13:15,295 -Guns for… -…preachers… 225 00:13:15,379 --> 00:13:16,213 Guns for hunters… 226 00:13:16,296 --> 00:13:17,381 -Guns for… -…punters… 227 00:13:17,464 --> 00:13:18,924 -Guns for women… -Guns for kids… 228 00:13:19,007 --> 00:13:20,717 But not for dogs. 229 00:13:20,801 --> 00:13:21,718 Bad dog. 230 00:13:21,802 --> 00:13:23,762 No. No. 231 00:13:23,846 --> 00:13:25,222 No more guns for dogs. 232 00:13:26,348 --> 00:13:28,475 -More guns means more crime… -Means more fear… 233 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:29,810 -Which means more… -Guns… 234 00:13:29,893 --> 00:13:31,103 -Guns… -Guns… 235 00:13:31,186 --> 00:13:34,690 Guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns 236 00:13:34,773 --> 00:13:38,235 Guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns 237 00:13:38,318 --> 00:13:41,780 Part of the world We love guns 238 00:13:41,864 --> 00:13:44,157 Say hello to my little friend! 239 00:13:46,034 --> 00:13:48,996 Oh, my God, that is great. 240 00:13:50,956 --> 00:13:52,416 Welcome back. Now… 241 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:55,961 All right, here we go. 242 00:13:56,795 --> 00:13:59,548 To discuss our nation's incredibly sane gun laws and culture, 243 00:13:59,631 --> 00:14:03,427 we have Greg Jackson, executive director of Community Justice Action Fund, 244 00:14:03,510 --> 00:14:04,970 a gun violence prevention group. 245 00:14:05,053 --> 00:14:07,681 Orange County, Florida Sheriff John W. Mina, 246 00:14:07,764 --> 00:14:10,976 who also spent 27 years with the Orlando Police Department. 247 00:14:11,059 --> 00:14:12,978 And Richard Feldman, former NRA lobbyist 248 00:14:13,061 --> 00:14:16,106 and president of the Independent Firearm Association. 249 00:14:16,190 --> 00:14:18,066 Guys, thank you so much for being here. 250 00:14:20,694 --> 00:14:23,822 Sheriff Mina, I'm gonna start with you. 251 00:14:23,906 --> 00:14:25,407 Make this make sense. 252 00:14:25,490 --> 00:14:28,327 All I hear from the right is, "We back the blue." 253 00:14:28,410 --> 00:14:31,330 But the way I look at it, loosening all these regulations 254 00:14:31,413 --> 00:14:34,708 makes cops' lives more dangerous, 255 00:14:35,209 --> 00:14:38,045 and thus more dangerous for everyone around them. 256 00:14:38,128 --> 00:14:39,755 Is that the case? 257 00:14:39,838 --> 00:14:43,133 Correct. We already have a very difficult job. 258 00:14:43,217 --> 00:14:45,594 I've been in law enforcement for 32 years, 259 00:14:45,677 --> 00:14:48,847 and I can tell you that our officers and deputies 260 00:14:48,931 --> 00:14:51,308 need to make split-second decisions out there on the street 261 00:14:51,391 --> 00:14:55,687 and the prevalence of guns, not knowing who has a gun, 262 00:14:55,771 --> 00:14:57,856 things like permitless carry, 263 00:14:57,940 --> 00:15:03,654 really will inhibit our ability to do our job an effective way. 264 00:15:03,737 --> 00:15:06,573 -And, Greg, you, you know, you're in DC. -Yup. 265 00:15:06,657 --> 00:15:08,659 And what they'll say is, well, DC's got strict laws. 266 00:15:08,742 --> 00:15:10,118 How come you guys have guns? 267 00:15:10,869 --> 00:15:13,413 What's the answer in a city like that? 268 00:15:13,497 --> 00:15:18,293 Well, you know, I was shot in April, 2013, in Washington, DC, 269 00:15:18,836 --> 00:15:22,422 and this is a city where the guns aren't coming from our communities. 270 00:15:22,506 --> 00:15:25,050 I mean, we're not growing them on trees, right? 271 00:15:25,133 --> 00:15:27,511 They're being trafficked into our communities. 272 00:15:28,136 --> 00:15:30,222 Please don't give the NRA that idea. 273 00:15:30,305 --> 00:15:32,307 -Hey, I'm sure they'll try. -Gun trees! 274 00:15:33,976 --> 00:15:37,020 But I always ask, you know, where are the guns coming from? 275 00:15:37,104 --> 00:15:38,564 And so, when we look at what's happening 276 00:15:38,647 --> 00:15:42,526 in cities like Washington, DC, and Chicago, New York, Detroit, Miami, 277 00:15:42,609 --> 00:15:46,947 most of these communities are actually being victimized and targeted with guns. 278 00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:49,199 Not necessarily seeking them out, 279 00:15:49,283 --> 00:15:51,451 but these are the most vulnerable at-risk communities, 280 00:15:51,535 --> 00:15:55,455 where it may be harder to find a library than it is to get a gun in your community. 281 00:15:55,539 --> 00:15:57,916 My God. Richard, you've got some insight 282 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,544 into the kind of the mindset from the NRA. 283 00:16:00,627 --> 00:16:03,380 Why wouldn't they want to make law enforcement's job easier, 284 00:16:03,463 --> 00:16:05,382 in terms of solving crimes and tracking guns? 285 00:16:05,465 --> 00:16:08,552 The whole gun issue has become all about politics. 286 00:16:08,635 --> 00:16:12,097 It's about fundraising. It's about membership recruitment. 287 00:16:12,181 --> 00:16:16,018 It's about identity politics, but it's not about policy, 288 00:16:16,101 --> 00:16:20,647 because if you ask Americans, gun owners and non-gun owners alike, 289 00:16:20,731 --> 00:16:24,610 "Do you think it's a good idea for violent, predatory felons to have guns?" 290 00:16:24,693 --> 00:16:26,195 Nobody says yes. 291 00:16:26,278 --> 00:16:31,617 The problem isn't guns, per se. The problem is guns in the wrong hands. 292 00:16:31,700 --> 00:16:35,037 And if you remove law enforcement's ability 293 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,208 to tell the difference, then it exacerbates the problem. 294 00:16:39,291 --> 00:16:41,001 In Florida, right now-- You're in Florida. 295 00:16:41,084 --> 00:16:41,919 That's correct. 296 00:16:42,002 --> 00:16:44,838 They're about to pass a permitless carry. 297 00:16:45,339 --> 00:16:50,594 What would be the advantage, safety-wise, of permitless carry? 298 00:16:50,677 --> 00:16:52,262 There is no benefit to the community. 299 00:16:52,346 --> 00:16:55,015 So, right now, in Florida, just last year, 300 00:16:55,098 --> 00:16:59,019 because people try to apply for a carrying concealed firearm permit, 301 00:16:59,102 --> 00:17:01,522 over 7,000 people were turned down. 302 00:17:01,605 --> 00:17:03,315 7,000 people turned down from getting a permit. 303 00:17:03,398 --> 00:17:05,233 -That's correct. -Well, it's already passed in-- 304 00:17:05,317 --> 00:17:07,528 I think it's 25 or 26 states. 305 00:17:07,611 --> 00:17:09,112 -Right. -Yeah, and in every single one 306 00:17:09,195 --> 00:17:11,156 of those states, we've seen a sharp increase 307 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,617 in gun-related deaths, in homicide. 308 00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:17,746 I mean, they just released a report that analyzed the 2021 CDC data, 309 00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:20,915 and they found that every state that has these loose gun laws 310 00:17:20,999 --> 00:17:23,669 have the highest number of gun-related deaths per capita. 311 00:17:23,752 --> 00:17:26,588 And so that former argument of, "What about these cities?" 312 00:17:26,672 --> 00:17:27,756 No. What about the states? 313 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:30,968 If we look at the states, there's a very clear line in connection 314 00:17:31,051 --> 00:17:35,430 between gun ownership, weak gun laws, and gun-related deaths. 315 00:17:35,514 --> 00:17:38,016 So what is the lawmakers' rationale down there? 316 00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:41,019 And I assume these are lawmakers who will say to the cops, 317 00:17:41,103 --> 00:17:43,313 "We got your back," but they don't. 318 00:17:43,397 --> 00:17:46,149 So, I can't speak for them. 319 00:17:46,233 --> 00:17:48,986 I will agree that it has become a political issue, 320 00:17:49,069 --> 00:17:53,156 and somewhere along the lines, we stopped listening to law enforcement. 321 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,785 The men and women who patrol the streets every night 322 00:17:56,869 --> 00:17:58,495 at risk of their own lives-- 323 00:17:58,579 --> 00:18:02,416 Go ask the street cop what he or she thinks about 324 00:18:02,499 --> 00:18:04,835 encountering lots of people 325 00:18:04,918 --> 00:18:06,628 -with a gun stuck in their waistband. -Right. 326 00:18:06,712 --> 00:18:10,841 It's not gonna make our communities safer, it's gonna make them more dangerous. 327 00:18:10,924 --> 00:18:14,303 And just like how Sheriff said we stopped listening to law enforcement, 328 00:18:14,386 --> 00:18:16,722 we also stopped listening to the survivors 329 00:18:16,805 --> 00:18:18,891 and the people that are being impacted by gun violence. 330 00:18:18,974 --> 00:18:22,394 The people that are lying on the concrete are black and brown bodies, 331 00:18:22,477 --> 00:18:25,063 and the biggest thing that we see in the media is gang violence, 332 00:18:25,147 --> 00:18:28,650 it's drugs, it's crime, but statistically, that's not true. 333 00:18:28,734 --> 00:18:31,945 You know, 70% of gun-related homicides in the Black community 334 00:18:32,029 --> 00:18:34,072 are not connected to another felony. 335 00:18:34,156 --> 00:18:37,618 89% are not connected to gang-related activity. 336 00:18:37,701 --> 00:18:41,121 But yet, the media is painting this picture that over-criminalizes us, 337 00:18:41,205 --> 00:18:42,706 and I personally was victimized by it. 338 00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:46,835 When I was shot, I wasn't met at the hospital by my doctors or surgeons. 339 00:18:46,919 --> 00:18:48,670 I was met with investigators, 340 00:18:48,754 --> 00:18:50,672 and I went through three rounds of interrogation 341 00:18:50,756 --> 00:18:52,216 while I was literally bleeding to death 342 00:18:52,299 --> 00:18:54,801 before I could get into surgery and nearly lost my life. 343 00:18:54,885 --> 00:18:59,348 And what we're seeing is a world where we look at solving the crime first 344 00:18:59,431 --> 00:19:00,766 and then saving the life second. 345 00:19:00,849 --> 00:19:03,185 And that's what's destroying so many people, 346 00:19:03,268 --> 00:19:06,855 but, frankly, it's getting us further and further away from the real solutions 347 00:19:06,939 --> 00:19:09,233 that are community-based, that are public health-based, 348 00:19:09,316 --> 00:19:10,275 that are wellness-based. 349 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,780 We are a traumatized society by gun violence. 350 00:19:14,863 --> 00:19:19,493 A balloon pops at a mall and thousands of people run. 351 00:19:19,576 --> 00:19:24,706 What would it take to get through to those individuals 352 00:19:24,790 --> 00:19:27,292 who really hold to it most tightly 353 00:19:27,376 --> 00:19:30,254 that we're already living under a form of tyranny? 354 00:19:30,754 --> 00:19:32,506 That's an interesting question, 355 00:19:32,589 --> 00:19:35,717 but I wonder if they're really the relevant people, 356 00:19:35,801 --> 00:19:38,220 and that if we want to move forward 357 00:19:38,303 --> 00:19:41,515 like the intelligent citizens we once were in this country… 358 00:19:41,598 --> 00:19:43,016 -When was that? -…facing a problem-- 359 00:19:43,684 --> 00:19:47,229 Well, good question, but I look back, 360 00:19:47,312 --> 00:19:50,232 times in the 1960s when John Kennedy said, 361 00:19:50,315 --> 00:19:52,526 "We're going to go to the moon in ten years." 362 00:19:52,609 --> 00:19:54,736 -We did it. We were Americans. -Right. 363 00:19:54,820 --> 00:19:56,405 We set our eyes upon it and did something. 364 00:19:56,488 --> 00:19:59,867 Not sure he's the best example in a gun conversation, but I hear you. 365 00:19:59,950 --> 00:20:02,202 But, actually, he was an NRA member. 366 00:20:02,286 --> 00:20:05,414 Well, back then, the NRA wasn't the politicized organization it was. 367 00:20:05,497 --> 00:20:08,584 And our country wasn't the politicized country that it is. 368 00:20:08,667 --> 00:20:13,088 That's the problem. This visceral reaction of us versus them. 369 00:20:13,172 --> 00:20:14,965 We're all Americans. 370 00:20:15,048 --> 00:20:16,633 -We're all in this together. -Right. 371 00:20:16,717 --> 00:20:21,263 At least we can make forward motion on the things we're in agreement with. 372 00:20:21,346 --> 00:20:23,724 Most people agree, I think it's over 88%, 373 00:20:23,807 --> 00:20:26,768 that you should have some type of permit to carry a firearm, 374 00:20:26,852 --> 00:20:27,853 -in our country. -Right. 375 00:20:27,936 --> 00:20:28,896 That's most Americans. 376 00:20:28,979 --> 00:20:31,398 You should know something about how to use the gun. 377 00:20:31,481 --> 00:20:34,860 You should know even more about the laws on the use of deadly force. 378 00:20:34,943 --> 00:20:38,113 You know, you had a law that you wanted to pass in Florida. 379 00:20:38,197 --> 00:20:39,323 What was that law? 380 00:20:39,406 --> 00:20:43,452 So, we had a number of gun stores that were being broken into by criminals, 381 00:20:43,535 --> 00:20:45,412 and they were just getting through the front door. 382 00:20:45,495 --> 00:20:47,122 Maybe pushing a vehicle through the front door. 383 00:20:47,206 --> 00:20:48,415 -'Cause that's where the guns are. -Yeah. 384 00:20:48,498 --> 00:20:53,712 And stealing 30, 40 guns, rifles, handguns, shotguns, 385 00:20:53,795 --> 00:20:56,089 just 'cause they were able to break the display cases. 386 00:20:56,173 --> 00:20:59,718 And the legislation that I was pushing for was to have the gun owners, 387 00:20:59,801 --> 00:21:02,429 at the end of the night, take those guns and put them in a safe 388 00:21:02,513 --> 00:21:04,389 or put a cable around 'em, 389 00:21:04,473 --> 00:21:06,391 -and that went nowhere. -Right. Which, by the way, 390 00:21:06,475 --> 00:21:08,060 they do for, like, sweaters. 391 00:21:08,143 --> 00:21:10,687 -Every jewelry store does it. -Right. 392 00:21:10,771 --> 00:21:12,564 -Old Navy. -And so that didn't pass? 393 00:21:12,648 --> 00:21:14,691 That didn't even get a committee hearing. 394 00:21:14,775 --> 00:21:16,777 But they're gonna pass permitless carry? 395 00:21:17,444 --> 00:21:18,695 -Yes. -Mind blowing. 396 00:21:18,779 --> 00:21:22,115 Thank you guys very much for being a part of the conversation. 397 00:21:22,199 --> 00:21:25,786 Ladies and gentlemen, Greg Jackson, Richard Feldman, Sheriff John Mina. 398 00:21:25,869 --> 00:21:26,954 Thank you guys so much. 399 00:21:29,665 --> 00:21:33,252 We're obviously talking a lot about how gun regulations 400 00:21:33,335 --> 00:21:35,337 reflect on gun crime in America. 401 00:21:35,420 --> 00:21:40,133 But the bar for gun deregulation is set by a few trendsetting states. 402 00:21:40,676 --> 00:21:41,760 Oklahoma… 403 00:21:42,386 --> 00:21:43,387 of the musical… 404 00:21:45,889 --> 00:21:48,642 they passed permitless open carry in 2019 405 00:21:48,725 --> 00:21:52,646 and pioneered the nation's first anti-red flag laws. 406 00:21:53,355 --> 00:21:56,650 So I sat down with Oklahoma State Senator Nathan Dahm, 407 00:21:56,733 --> 00:21:58,569 who co-authored that law. 408 00:21:59,653 --> 00:22:05,492 This year, I think, 50,000 Americans died in gun-related violence. 409 00:22:06,451 --> 00:22:10,205 Would you agree that is a problem? 410 00:22:11,164 --> 00:22:13,458 We're done! That's it. 411 00:22:14,042 --> 00:22:16,587 We have our agreement. This is all worked out. 412 00:22:17,129 --> 00:22:18,213 It is a problem. 413 00:22:18,297 --> 00:22:20,424 Any death is a loss of life. It is a problem. Yes. 414 00:22:20,507 --> 00:22:24,761 So we agree we want to reduce the amount 415 00:22:24,845 --> 00:22:27,264 of people who die in gun-related violence. 416 00:22:27,347 --> 00:22:30,517 I would like to reduce the amount of deaths that take place 417 00:22:30,601 --> 00:22:34,062 through any means, but also, when you talk about gun violence, 418 00:22:34,146 --> 00:22:38,066 and you say that 50,000 number, you're also including suicide rates. 419 00:22:38,150 --> 00:22:43,572 Sure. So tell me the gun laws that you've proposed 420 00:22:43,655 --> 00:22:45,616 in Oklahoma and why you've done that. 421 00:22:45,699 --> 00:22:48,035 Yeah, we've passed several pieces of legislation, 422 00:22:48,118 --> 00:22:49,620 including-- that were mine specifically, 423 00:22:49,703 --> 00:22:51,121 that I introduced and passed, 424 00:22:51,205 --> 00:22:53,332 one of which was constitutional carry 425 00:22:53,415 --> 00:22:56,418 to allow those that are 21 and up, able to legally purchase a firearm, 426 00:22:56,502 --> 00:22:59,087 they could carry a firearm without having to go and get a permit. 427 00:22:59,171 --> 00:23:01,298 -Outside of their house? -Outside of their home. Any place-- 428 00:23:01,381 --> 00:23:03,133 -Concealed or open? -Concealed or open, both. 429 00:23:03,217 --> 00:23:04,259 -Doesn't matter. -Doesn't matter. 430 00:23:04,343 --> 00:23:07,304 And one of the main reasons for that is, obviously, the Second Amendment. 431 00:23:07,387 --> 00:23:08,972 I'm a strong proponent of the Second Amendment. 432 00:23:09,056 --> 00:23:11,892 I believe the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. 433 00:23:11,975 --> 00:23:15,562 That's the one right that's listed in the Constitution that uses 434 00:23:15,646 --> 00:23:18,106 that very specific affirmative language, you know, shall not be-- 435 00:23:18,190 --> 00:23:21,443 Well, it's also the one right that uses the phrase, "well-regulated." 436 00:23:21,944 --> 00:23:24,238 Correct, when it's talking about the militia and the state. 437 00:23:24,321 --> 00:23:25,822 -So-- -But the right of the people 438 00:23:25,906 --> 00:23:28,242 to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. 439 00:23:28,325 --> 00:23:31,286 And so, you know, being a strong proponent of the Second Amendment, 440 00:23:31,370 --> 00:23:34,414 I see that as a barrier requiring people to get licensing, 441 00:23:34,498 --> 00:23:36,583 requiring them to go through training. 442 00:23:36,667 --> 00:23:38,502 And so, it actually harms those people 443 00:23:38,585 --> 00:23:40,754 that need a firearm to be able to protect themselves-- 444 00:23:40,838 --> 00:23:42,923 -By the way, just for clarity's sake-- -Yeah. 445 00:23:43,006 --> 00:23:45,634 I'm not against the Second Amendment. I don't want to ban guns. 446 00:23:45,717 --> 00:23:48,387 But the things that you propose 447 00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:54,309 make it less likely that we will solve gun violence rather than more likely. 448 00:23:54,393 --> 00:23:57,187 Well, no, I have introduced legislation that would actually solve 449 00:23:57,271 --> 00:24:00,858 some of those problems, including eliminating of gun-free zones. 450 00:24:00,941 --> 00:24:04,736 So the problem for you is not enough guns. 451 00:24:05,237 --> 00:24:08,991 No. The problem for me is that citizens are not able to defend themselves 452 00:24:09,074 --> 00:24:10,367 in these gun-free areas, 453 00:24:10,450 --> 00:24:12,703 -and these criminals know that. -You'd have guns everywhere. 454 00:24:12,786 --> 00:24:14,830 These criminals know that, and so they actually go 455 00:24:14,913 --> 00:24:17,249 and they attack those vulnerable people in those areas. 456 00:24:17,332 --> 00:24:21,044 The research shows that the more guns you have, 457 00:24:21,128 --> 00:24:23,672 -the more violence you have with guns. -Which research? 458 00:24:23,755 --> 00:24:26,216 Do you guys have that sheet? 459 00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:27,968 The general research. 460 00:24:28,051 --> 00:24:31,555 2022 National Economic Bureau of Research study. 461 00:24:31,638 --> 00:24:34,349 This is, "An expansion of carry laws were associated with 462 00:24:34,433 --> 00:24:40,022 an increase in firearm homicides by 13%, increase in violent crimes by 29%, 463 00:24:40,105 --> 00:24:42,858 increase in gun thefts by 35%. 464 00:24:42,941 --> 00:24:45,235 The state leaders of the Fraternal Order of Police, 465 00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:46,320 Major City Chiefs, 466 00:24:46,403 --> 00:24:48,655 International Association of Chiefs of Police, 467 00:24:48,739 --> 00:24:51,825 have spoken out against these lessening." 468 00:24:52,618 --> 00:24:54,411 So that-- I guess, that research. 469 00:24:54,494 --> 00:24:58,498 So there's also research out there that indicates and shows 470 00:24:58,582 --> 00:25:01,627 that actually having more guns actually lessens crimes, 471 00:25:01,710 --> 00:25:04,421 especially when you look on it on the scale of-- 472 00:25:04,505 --> 00:25:06,632 You're probably quoting John Lott. 473 00:25:06,715 --> 00:25:08,217 -A lot of John Lott stuff. Yes. -Exactly. 474 00:25:08,300 --> 00:25:10,761 And I think he's very controversial. 475 00:25:10,844 --> 00:25:12,346 I'm just gonna go intuitively. 476 00:25:12,429 --> 00:25:15,265 You're saying more guns makes us more safe. 477 00:25:15,349 --> 00:25:16,683 Yes. 478 00:25:16,767 --> 00:25:18,435 So when? 479 00:25:19,561 --> 00:25:22,231 We got 400 million guns in the country. 480 00:25:22,314 --> 00:25:24,399 We had an increase and gun deaths went up. 481 00:25:24,942 --> 00:25:28,904 So, when exactly does this curve hit that takes it down? 482 00:25:28,987 --> 00:25:32,032 -Would a billion guns do it? -Let's just run those numbers. 483 00:25:32,115 --> 00:25:34,743 -400 million, 50,000. -Uh-huh. 484 00:25:34,826 --> 00:25:37,955 You're talking about less than a fraction 485 00:25:38,038 --> 00:25:40,332 of not even a percent, of a hundredth of a percent. 486 00:25:40,415 --> 00:25:42,334 But it goes up, not down. 487 00:25:42,417 --> 00:25:44,294 So your argument is backwards. 488 00:25:44,378 --> 00:25:47,214 But if you want-- Okay. So, let's come up with a solution, okay? 489 00:25:47,297 --> 00:25:50,092 So, one of the issues, a contributing factor-- 490 00:25:50,175 --> 00:25:52,553 Again, I believe it's the individual that is the problem. 491 00:25:52,636 --> 00:25:54,471 So your solution to that is, 492 00:25:55,681 --> 00:25:57,099 give them more guns. 493 00:25:59,017 --> 00:26:01,854 So, I'm saying that because people are the problem, 494 00:26:01,937 --> 00:26:05,107 we need to look at the problems that those people are facing, 495 00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:06,066 and how do we address it? 496 00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:08,193 -For instance-- -But you've removed the ability 497 00:26:08,277 --> 00:26:10,195 -for the state to do that. -No. 498 00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:11,989 Because you're-- 499 00:26:12,072 --> 00:26:14,366 If you don't have background checks 500 00:26:14,449 --> 00:26:16,493 and you don't have registration and permitting, 501 00:26:17,327 --> 00:26:19,413 how do you know who has a problem, 502 00:26:19,496 --> 00:26:21,665 in terms of the people who you're giving a gun to? 503 00:26:21,748 --> 00:26:23,292 You wanna talk about the background checks first, 504 00:26:23,375 --> 00:26:26,128 -or do you want to talk about solutions? -I want to talk about, 505 00:26:26,628 --> 00:26:30,507 what you're doing is, you're bringing chaos to order. 506 00:26:30,591 --> 00:26:33,302 That's your subjective opinion that it's bringing chaos to order. 507 00:26:33,385 --> 00:26:35,053 -It's not my subjective opinion. -It is. 508 00:26:35,137 --> 00:26:37,890 We have 50,000 gun-related deaths. That's not a subjective opinion. 509 00:26:37,973 --> 00:26:39,183 -Okay, so-- -That's dead people. 510 00:26:39,766 --> 00:26:40,976 Let me back up for a second. 511 00:26:41,059 --> 00:26:45,147 In every other place in your life, you want to bring order. 512 00:26:45,647 --> 00:26:48,066 But guns are the outlier for you. 513 00:26:48,150 --> 00:26:49,693 So, let's start with immigration. 514 00:26:50,402 --> 00:26:52,696 You want registration. 515 00:26:53,572 --> 00:26:57,034 Maybe a wall, maybe not a wall. Why do you want that? 516 00:26:57,117 --> 00:26:59,786 Well, one of the reasons is because of the fentanyl crisis. 517 00:27:00,370 --> 00:27:03,081 Right. And you don't know when it's coming across. 518 00:27:03,165 --> 00:27:04,166 So what do you do-- 519 00:27:04,249 --> 00:27:07,836 But the fentanyl crisis is twice what the gun death crisis is. 520 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,088 -Okay, so until the gun crisis… -No. 521 00:27:10,172 --> 00:27:12,174 -…gets to the fentanyl level… -Not "until it." 522 00:27:12,257 --> 00:27:14,301 -you don't want to bring order. -No, not "until it." 523 00:27:14,384 --> 00:27:15,761 -But-- -But do you see my point? 524 00:27:15,844 --> 00:27:18,055 If we're gonna talk about protecting lives, 525 00:27:18,138 --> 00:27:21,475 that's a larger issue in America than guns is. 526 00:27:21,558 --> 00:27:25,187 If we're talking about individual lives, of ways that they can be protected-- 527 00:27:25,270 --> 00:27:26,897 Loss of life in America. 528 00:27:26,980 --> 00:27:30,108 There's loss of life through fentanyl. There's loss of life through obesity. 529 00:27:30,192 --> 00:27:34,905 The obesity crisis in America costs six times the number of lives as guns. 530 00:27:34,988 --> 00:27:36,907 Right. And you're the guy saying, 531 00:27:36,990 --> 00:27:39,618 "You know what would help this? Ice cream." 532 00:27:39,701 --> 00:27:40,702 No. 533 00:27:40,786 --> 00:27:44,331 So, you know what would help the problem that we're facing with firearms? 534 00:27:44,414 --> 00:27:45,249 What? 535 00:27:45,332 --> 00:27:47,709 The fatherlessness crisis that we have in America. 536 00:27:48,627 --> 00:27:50,546 -If you look at the statistics… -Right. Yeah. 537 00:27:50,629 --> 00:27:52,297 They're dying from gun deaths. 538 00:27:52,381 --> 00:27:57,344 80% of school shooters either came from a broken or fatherless home. 539 00:27:57,427 --> 00:28:00,597 Uh-huh. So you would say, "No guns for fatherless homes"? 540 00:28:00,681 --> 00:28:02,432 No, that's not what I would say. I would say that 541 00:28:02,516 --> 00:28:05,143 -fathers need to be more engaged. -Great. So let's-- 542 00:28:05,227 --> 00:28:07,688 Crime with a firearm if they don't have a father at home. 543 00:28:07,771 --> 00:28:11,275 Let's put more resources into areas that are poverty stricken. All for it. 544 00:28:11,358 --> 00:28:13,360 And into fatherlessness. And that's something that we're doing-- 545 00:28:13,443 --> 00:28:17,155 But why, with guns, are you against bringing order? 546 00:28:17,239 --> 00:28:19,533 -I'm not against bringing order. -You are. 547 00:28:19,616 --> 00:28:23,620 You're also making it less safe for cops and for people. 548 00:28:23,704 --> 00:28:25,330 When the police go to a domestic call, 549 00:28:25,414 --> 00:28:27,082 it's the most dangerous call they can go on. 550 00:28:27,791 --> 00:28:29,126 In your world, 551 00:28:29,209 --> 00:28:33,213 if they knew that there were firearms in the house, that's a safer call. 552 00:28:33,755 --> 00:28:36,300 -Is that what you're saying? -No. Because police-- 553 00:28:36,383 --> 00:28:37,384 Because why? 554 00:28:37,467 --> 00:28:40,762 Because police treat every situation as a potential-- 555 00:28:40,846 --> 00:28:42,472 But more guns makes us safer. 556 00:28:43,056 --> 00:28:46,727 So why don't-- When the police go to a house filled with guns, 557 00:28:47,436 --> 00:28:49,688 why don't they breathe a sigh of relief, 558 00:28:49,771 --> 00:28:53,317 knowing that this Second Amendment 559 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:59,031 that shall not be infringed, is being exercised so fruitfully in this home? 560 00:28:59,114 --> 00:29:01,783 Are you familiar with the 39-year-old woman in New Jersey-- 561 00:29:01,867 --> 00:29:03,827 -I'm familiar with a ton of anecdotes. -Yeah. 562 00:29:03,911 --> 00:29:06,288 -I'm asking you a simple question. -This is not an anecdote, Jon. 563 00:29:06,371 --> 00:29:08,498 -When the police go to a house-- -This actually happened. 564 00:29:08,582 --> 00:29:10,292 She had a restraining order on her ex-boyfriend. 565 00:29:10,375 --> 00:29:14,046 I can run through hundreds and hundreds of examples 566 00:29:14,129 --> 00:29:17,299 of women killed by their domestic partners by guns 567 00:29:17,382 --> 00:29:21,220 that were not taken away through the lessening of red flag laws. 568 00:29:21,303 --> 00:29:24,765 -You're pivoting to anecdotes. -No, this is not anecdotes. 569 00:29:24,848 --> 00:29:26,475 What the police say: 570 00:29:26,558 --> 00:29:31,355 if we had gun registration, if we were able to track purchases, 571 00:29:31,438 --> 00:29:34,066 if we are-- They have a technology that every bullet 572 00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:37,027 would be stamped with an individual-- like a fingerprint. 573 00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:39,655 If we had an ATF that wasn't defunded, 574 00:29:39,738 --> 00:29:43,283 we would be able to enforce gun laws more effectively 575 00:29:43,367 --> 00:29:46,662 and we would be able to solve gun crimes more effectively. 576 00:29:46,745 --> 00:29:48,080 You're against all of that. 577 00:29:48,163 --> 00:29:52,543 Because the person is the threat, not the firearm, not the knife. 578 00:29:52,626 --> 00:29:54,503 -I get it. Great. -The person, the individual is the one 579 00:29:54,586 --> 00:29:55,879 that is the concern here. 580 00:29:55,963 --> 00:29:57,714 But you don't want anything 581 00:29:57,798 --> 00:30:02,636 that could help law enforcement or society determine 582 00:30:02,719 --> 00:30:07,683 whether or not a person is a good guy with a gun or a bad guy with a gun. 583 00:30:07,766 --> 00:30:10,394 -Most-- Even law-- -The registry would allow you to have 584 00:30:10,477 --> 00:30:12,855 much more effective background checks. 585 00:30:12,938 --> 00:30:17,150 So, I don't understand why you won't just admit 586 00:30:17,693 --> 00:30:23,156 that you are making it harder for police to manage the streets 587 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,493 by allowing all of these guns to go out 588 00:30:26,577 --> 00:30:30,038 without permits, without checks and without background stuff. 589 00:30:30,122 --> 00:30:31,123 Why is that hard? 590 00:30:31,206 --> 00:30:33,959 -Why can't you just stand by that? -Because that's not what I'm doing. 591 00:30:34,042 --> 00:30:36,086 I'm defending the individual's right to keep and bear arms. 592 00:30:36,170 --> 00:30:38,088 -That's a different argument. -Okay-- 593 00:30:38,172 --> 00:30:40,299 You may do-- Here's what I'm saying. 594 00:30:40,382 --> 00:30:44,178 You want to say, "I'm a Second Amendment purist and I'm making it safer." 595 00:30:44,261 --> 00:30:45,470 You're not. 596 00:30:45,554 --> 00:30:47,014 You're making it more chaotic. 597 00:30:47,097 --> 00:30:49,808 And that's not a matter of opinion. That's the truth. 598 00:30:49,892 --> 00:30:51,226 That is a matter of opinion, Jon. 599 00:30:51,310 --> 00:30:53,187 But why take away their tools? 600 00:30:53,270 --> 00:30:56,607 Because certain of their tools that they're using would be infringements 601 00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:58,525 upon the people's right to keep and bear arms, 602 00:30:58,609 --> 00:31:01,653 upon their constitutional rights, upon due process, upon other things. 603 00:31:01,737 --> 00:31:03,488 You're saying that registering is an infringement? 604 00:31:03,572 --> 00:31:05,282 -Yes. -Okay. 605 00:31:05,365 --> 00:31:06,366 Is voting a right? 606 00:31:07,451 --> 00:31:09,119 It's a right for citizens. Yes. 607 00:31:09,203 --> 00:31:11,288 Do you have to do anything to do it? 608 00:31:11,371 --> 00:31:12,873 -Yes. -What do you have to do? 609 00:31:12,956 --> 00:31:14,041 It depends on the state. 610 00:31:14,124 --> 00:31:15,876 -What do you have to do? -Sometimes you have to-- 611 00:31:15,959 --> 00:31:17,211 You have to be at least 18-years-old. 612 00:31:17,294 --> 00:31:19,922 -What do you have to do? Keep going. -And in some places you have to-- 613 00:31:20,005 --> 00:31:21,507 You have a government-issued ID. 614 00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:23,091 What do you have to-- You have to… 615 00:31:23,175 --> 00:31:25,636 -You have to be on the voter rolls. -…register. 616 00:31:25,719 --> 00:31:27,095 You have to register. 617 00:31:28,514 --> 00:31:31,600 So, you have to register to a right. Is that an infringement? 618 00:31:31,683 --> 00:31:33,727 Does the right to voting say, "Shall not be infringed"? 619 00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:36,396 -So this is just a semantic argument now. -No, it's not. 620 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:42,361 You believe voting rights can be infringed because it doesn't say specifically, 621 00:31:42,444 --> 00:31:43,862 "Shall not be infringed." 622 00:31:43,946 --> 00:31:45,906 Is it an infringement upon a 17-year-old's right to vote, 623 00:31:45,989 --> 00:31:47,407 since they don't have that right to vote? 624 00:31:47,491 --> 00:31:49,785 -No. No. -It's not an infringement on them? 625 00:31:49,868 --> 00:31:51,370 -Absolutely not. You're-- -Why not? 626 00:31:51,453 --> 00:31:53,705 'Cause you're the one making the argument, not me. 627 00:31:53,789 --> 00:31:57,626 I'm saying even rights have responsibilities. 628 00:31:57,709 --> 00:32:00,254 -And that within those responsibilities… -Responsibilities, yes. 629 00:32:00,337 --> 00:32:04,091 …are responsibilities and order. Otherwise, it's chaotic. 630 00:32:04,174 --> 00:32:05,509 I'll go you one further. 631 00:32:05,592 --> 00:32:08,387 You want to ban drag show readings to children. 632 00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:09,721 -To minors, yes. -Why? 633 00:32:09,805 --> 00:32:11,139 -Why-- -What are you protecting? 634 00:32:11,223 --> 00:32:14,518 Why can we prohibit children from voting-- those under 18 from voting-- 635 00:32:14,601 --> 00:32:17,104 Why are you banning-- Is that free speech? 636 00:32:17,187 --> 00:32:20,566 Are you infringing on that performer's free speech? 637 00:32:20,649 --> 00:32:22,359 They can continue to exercise their free speech. 638 00:32:22,442 --> 00:32:24,403 -Just not in front of a child. -Why? 639 00:32:24,486 --> 00:32:26,947 Because the government does have a responsibility to protect-- 640 00:32:27,030 --> 00:32:29,283 -I'm sorry? -Government does have a responsibility, 641 00:32:29,366 --> 00:32:32,119 -in certain instances-- -What's the leading cause of death 642 00:32:32,202 --> 00:32:34,037 amongst children in this country? 643 00:32:34,121 --> 00:32:38,083 And I'm gonna give you a hint. It's not drag show readings to children. 644 00:32:38,166 --> 00:32:39,376 Correct, yes. 645 00:32:39,459 --> 00:32:40,544 So what is it? 646 00:32:41,211 --> 00:32:42,713 I'm presuming you're gonna say it's firearms. 647 00:32:42,796 --> 00:32:45,382 No, I'm not gonna say it like it's an opinion. 648 00:32:45,465 --> 00:32:47,843 That's what it is. It's firearms. 649 00:32:47,926 --> 00:32:50,637 More than cancer, more than car accidents. 650 00:32:50,721 --> 00:32:52,389 And what you're telling me is, 651 00:32:52,472 --> 00:32:55,100 you don't mind infringing free speech 652 00:32:55,184 --> 00:32:58,478 to protect children from this amorphous thing that you think of. 653 00:32:58,562 --> 00:33:01,398 But when it comes to children that have died, 654 00:33:01,481 --> 00:33:03,692 you don't give a flying fuck 655 00:33:04,276 --> 00:33:07,654 to stop that because that shall not be infringed. 656 00:33:07,738 --> 00:33:10,657 That is hypocrisy at its highest order. 657 00:33:10,741 --> 00:33:13,452 -That's your opinion. But no, it's not. -It's not my opinion. 658 00:33:13,535 --> 00:33:16,413 It's not, because the First Amendment is treated differently 659 00:33:16,496 --> 00:33:17,623 than the Second Amendment. 660 00:33:17,706 --> 00:33:19,374 Why is it treated differently? 661 00:33:19,458 --> 00:33:21,168 One aspect of the Second Amendment, 662 00:33:21,251 --> 00:33:23,128 and I know a lot of people don't like to hear this, 663 00:33:23,212 --> 00:33:25,589 is a protection against tyrannical government. 664 00:33:25,672 --> 00:33:28,884 And I know people will say, "Well, that's never gonna happen here in America." 665 00:33:28,967 --> 00:33:33,514 So there's protections in the Second Amendment for prohibitions on tyranny 666 00:33:33,597 --> 00:33:35,265 at home and abroad. 667 00:33:35,349 --> 00:33:38,435 And so, that's one of the aspects that sometimes is forgotten 668 00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:40,020 or overlooked or dismissed. 669 00:33:40,103 --> 00:33:46,401 What about the tyranny of roaming bands, of well-armed militias, 670 00:33:46,485 --> 00:33:50,739 that are politically, ideologically extremists, 671 00:33:51,406 --> 00:33:55,077 who are allowed to just go through the streets unfettered, 672 00:33:55,702 --> 00:33:58,914 causing fear and chaos? 673 00:33:58,997 --> 00:34:00,374 Isn't that a form of tyranny? 674 00:34:00,457 --> 00:34:02,000 You dismiss it very easily. 675 00:34:02,084 --> 00:34:03,502 Where is that taking place, Jon? 676 00:34:03,585 --> 00:34:07,089 When the Proud Boys show up at a drag show armed. 677 00:34:07,172 --> 00:34:09,091 -That's tyranny. -What about when ANTIFA shows up 678 00:34:09,174 --> 00:34:10,384 at the same drag show armed? 679 00:34:10,467 --> 00:34:12,135 -I'm not a vigilante guy. -Okay. 680 00:34:12,219 --> 00:34:15,222 I don't believe in armed groups of vigilantes. 681 00:34:15,304 --> 00:34:17,599 But, you know, you keep saying, 682 00:34:17,683 --> 00:34:19,810 "Well, this is to protect us against tyranny." 683 00:34:19,893 --> 00:34:23,813 But in my mind, it's creating tyranny. A different kind of tyranny. 684 00:34:23,897 --> 00:34:29,444 Your lessening of all of the regulations and all of the administration 685 00:34:29,527 --> 00:34:33,239 -makes us less safe. -That's not true. 686 00:34:33,322 --> 00:34:37,411 And every time you get pinned, you just turn and go, "But it's my right." 687 00:34:37,494 --> 00:34:39,621 -And that's why your arguments… -You said that. 688 00:34:39,705 --> 00:34:43,708 …fall apart the further out we go to them, because they become absurd. 689 00:34:43,792 --> 00:34:45,627 That's your subjective opinion. 690 00:34:46,712 --> 00:34:49,255 -Does training with guns make you safer? -Yes. 691 00:34:49,339 --> 00:34:52,217 -And you would remove that as mandatory? -As mandatory, yes. 692 00:34:52,301 --> 00:34:54,344 -So you are making us less safe. -No. 693 00:34:56,722 --> 00:34:58,098 Are you familiar with logic? 694 00:34:59,433 --> 00:35:01,310 So, can guns be on planes? 695 00:35:01,393 --> 00:35:02,811 -That is not-- -Can guns be on planes? 696 00:35:02,895 --> 00:35:05,147 Guns should be allowed on planes, if that's what the-- 697 00:35:05,230 --> 00:35:09,234 Should we have bazookas? Should people have F-1 fighter jets? 698 00:35:09,318 --> 00:35:11,445 -Operational tanks? -Not operational ones, but-- 699 00:35:11,528 --> 00:35:13,864 Well, yes, operational, if you keep it on private property. 700 00:35:13,947 --> 00:35:15,657 And grenades and all kinds of things? 701 00:35:15,741 --> 00:35:17,075 You can buy a flame thrower now online. 702 00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:19,411 Great. That's so exciting for us. 703 00:35:19,494 --> 00:35:20,829 I'm sure you've heard about it. 704 00:35:20,913 --> 00:35:22,331 -Can I say one more thing? -Yes. 705 00:35:22,414 --> 00:35:24,166 You're entitled to your opinion. I will advocate 706 00:35:24,249 --> 00:35:26,293 for the free speech rights of you being able to do that. 707 00:35:26,376 --> 00:35:29,379 I truly do hope that you will consider looking at the fatherlessness issue. 708 00:35:29,463 --> 00:35:32,007 Talk with your producer meetings. I've seen some of the shows. 709 00:35:32,090 --> 00:35:33,967 Because it is a problem here in America. 710 00:35:34,051 --> 00:35:35,344 I think it would be a great solution 711 00:35:35,427 --> 00:35:37,387 to a lot of things that we are facing in this country. 712 00:35:37,471 --> 00:35:40,724 I think the way we would look at it is not so much fatherlessness 713 00:35:40,807 --> 00:35:45,646 as much as we would look at the cycle of poverty and incarceration 714 00:35:45,729 --> 00:35:47,606 and the systemic racism 715 00:35:47,689 --> 00:35:50,651 that I know you believe in, 'cause you want it taught in schools, is… 716 00:35:53,612 --> 00:35:56,156 Thank you for having the discussion. And thank you for being here. 717 00:35:58,534 --> 00:36:00,536 Interviews are so fun. 718 00:36:02,704 --> 00:36:03,830 That's our show. 719 00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:07,501 Fuck! 720 00:36:08,085 --> 00:36:10,420 For more resources, head to our website. I made it myself. 721 00:36:10,504 --> 00:36:12,714 I took a coding class. It was my final project. 722 00:36:12,798 --> 00:36:15,926 We got a weekly podcast. If you play it backwards, who knows what it says? 723 00:36:17,386 --> 00:36:19,930 Why don't we end tonight with a final "For Fuck's Sake"? 724 00:36:20,013 --> 00:36:22,391 I'm a class-three dealer. That's as high as you get. 725 00:36:22,474 --> 00:36:25,227 This is a very hard place to rob, and most people 726 00:36:25,310 --> 00:36:28,605 don't have the guts to even think about robbing Dragon Man. 727 00:36:28,689 --> 00:36:32,776 I got, like, 36 cameras. I got double fences, double doors. 728 00:36:32,860 --> 00:36:34,319 I lock the gate on the driveway. 729 00:36:34,403 --> 00:36:38,031 I have seven German Shepherds that I let out before I go to bed. 730 00:36:38,532 --> 00:36:40,492 They stole 84 guns.