1 00:00:02,712 --> 00:00:05,465 - [crew member 1] Ready to start rolling? - [Stewart] All right. 2 00:00:05,549 --> 00:00:06,550 [crew member 2] All right. 3 00:00:07,884 --> 00:00:11,429 Before this job, I was a DEI officer 4 00:00:11,513 --> 00:00:13,306 which is Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, of course. 5 00:00:13,390 --> 00:00:15,684 And it was a very stressful job. 6 00:00:15,767 --> 00:00:17,936 What did you do? Like, what did it-- What was your purview? 7 00:00:18,019 --> 00:00:19,437 Preparing presentations, 8 00:00:19,521 --> 00:00:21,982 making sure people knew what the definition of racism was. 9 00:00:22,065 --> 00:00:25,318 Like, just so that everyone knew what they were accountable for. 10 00:00:25,402 --> 00:00:27,153 And that alone was hell. 11 00:00:27,237 --> 00:00:29,114 Of course. Because people wanted to be like, 12 00:00:29,197 --> 00:00:31,950 "Why are you making me feel bad? I'm trying." 13 00:00:32,033 --> 00:00:34,160 And I'm like, "I'm literally defining a word." 14 00:00:34,244 --> 00:00:36,079 I'm-- I'm Webster today. 15 00:00:36,162 --> 00:00:37,330 But it was such a stressful job. 16 00:00:37,414 --> 00:00:39,874 So I think from now on I'm just gonna be Black for free. 17 00:00:39,958 --> 00:00:42,002 [all laughing] 18 00:00:42,085 --> 00:00:44,629 Wait a second. That's what got us in this mess. 19 00:00:44,713 --> 00:00:45,589 Let's not-- 20 00:00:45,672 --> 00:00:48,550 - Let's not be Black for free. - [laughing] 21 00:01:25,420 --> 00:01:27,839 [audience applauding, cheering] 22 00:01:30,050 --> 00:01:31,051 Boom. 23 00:01:32,510 --> 00:01:33,511 Boom. 24 00:01:36,139 --> 00:01:37,390 Boom. 25 00:01:37,474 --> 00:01:38,725 Hey! 26 00:01:38,808 --> 00:01:40,977 [audience applauding, cheering] 27 00:01:42,395 --> 00:01:44,439 What's happening? Thank you so much for joining us. 28 00:01:44,522 --> 00:01:47,275 My name is Jon Stewart. Welcome to our television show. 29 00:01:47,359 --> 00:01:50,403 For those of you who don't know, a television show is like a-- 30 00:01:50,487 --> 00:01:52,864 It's like a-- a podcast that moves. 31 00:01:54,658 --> 00:01:55,909 You'll get used to it. 32 00:01:57,369 --> 00:02:00,247 Um… trying to be lighthearted, trying to bring it in here 33 00:02:00,330 --> 00:02:02,666 because we've got some things to talk about this evening. 34 00:02:02,749 --> 00:02:05,585 Um… Oh, the show we've prepared. 35 00:02:05,669 --> 00:02:07,254 [audience laughing] 36 00:02:08,963 --> 00:02:10,257 As you may know, 37 00:02:11,299 --> 00:02:14,511 uh, this country has had some issues with race. 38 00:02:14,594 --> 00:02:15,845 [audience murmurs] 39 00:02:15,929 --> 00:02:16,972 Oh, okay. 40 00:02:17,055 --> 00:02:19,391 [audience laughing] 41 00:02:19,474 --> 00:02:21,643 Sphincters are tightening already. 42 00:02:23,186 --> 00:02:28,525 Uh, we've had some issues with race. There was that incident in… 43 00:02:28,608 --> 00:02:31,570 [stammers] …1619, and then… 44 00:02:32,654 --> 00:02:35,574 had a few hiccups since then, but… 45 00:02:35,657 --> 00:02:37,075 mostly it's been fine. 46 00:02:37,659 --> 00:02:39,744 We've all been chilling. It's been chill. 47 00:02:41,371 --> 00:02:43,164 Until a couple years ago, 48 00:02:43,248 --> 00:02:48,003 another rare bad thing happened to Black people in the summer of 2020. 49 00:02:48,086 --> 00:02:50,672 George Floyd's death is sparking a national reckoning. 50 00:02:50,755 --> 00:02:55,385 The death of George Floyd. It sparks this global movement, this racial reckoning. 51 00:02:55,468 --> 00:02:58,179 We here in America certainly had our own racial reckoning 52 00:02:58,263 --> 00:02:59,973 in the wake of George Floyd's death. 53 00:03:00,056 --> 00:03:02,893 A growing number of American companies facing a racial reckoning. 54 00:03:02,976 --> 00:03:04,936 As America confronts a racial reckoning. 55 00:03:05,020 --> 00:03:06,187 A racial reckoning. 56 00:03:06,271 --> 00:03:09,316 It also comes at a time of racial reckoning for the country. 57 00:03:10,650 --> 00:03:11,651 Oh. 58 00:03:12,819 --> 00:03:16,448 So you guys are finally ready to talk about racial repar-- 59 00:03:16,531 --> 00:03:18,867 Uh, reckoning. 60 00:03:18,950 --> 00:03:21,453 [audience laughing, applauding] 61 00:03:21,536 --> 00:03:23,830 We don't-- We don't wanna-- 62 00:03:25,332 --> 00:03:26,958 We don't wanna right the wrongs. 63 00:03:27,042 --> 00:03:29,252 We just reckon we're gonna think about it for a bit. 64 00:03:31,588 --> 00:03:32,714 Well, not to worry. 65 00:03:33,632 --> 00:03:37,761 This egregious midday murder will not be in vain. 66 00:03:37,844 --> 00:03:43,391 Let the work of righting centuries of oppression begin. 67 00:03:43,475 --> 00:03:45,852 Aunt Jemima is being retired. 68 00:03:45,936 --> 00:03:49,564 [audience laughing, applauding] 69 00:04:01,243 --> 00:04:02,827 By any means necessary. 70 00:04:03,453 --> 00:04:06,957 Cream of Wheat is removing the Black chef from its packaging. 71 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,541 [reporter 1] Chris Harrison, host of The Bachelor, 72 00:04:08,625 --> 00:04:10,585 has announced he is stepping away. 73 00:04:10,669 --> 00:04:14,047 [reporter 2] Every NFL stadium, you're gonna see phrases like "end racism." 74 00:04:14,130 --> 00:04:17,550 Tonight we know the Dixie Chicks are dropping the "Dixie." 75 00:04:17,634 --> 00:04:19,761 [reporter 3] The Village of Hempstead renamed Main Street 76 00:04:19,844 --> 00:04:21,638 "Black Lives Matter Way." 77 00:04:21,721 --> 00:04:24,432 We will now kneel for our moment of silence. 78 00:04:24,516 --> 00:04:26,685 [audience laughing] 79 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,444 Worst production of Lion King ever. 80 00:04:36,528 --> 00:04:39,072 [audience laughing, applauding] 81 00:04:43,285 --> 00:04:49,040 But more than kente cloth calisthenics and some long overdue brand readjustments, 82 00:04:49,124 --> 00:04:53,712 there came another even more meaningful cultural shift. 83 00:04:53,795 --> 00:04:56,214 I think white people need to listen. 84 00:04:56,298 --> 00:04:58,592 White people should listen to African Americans. 85 00:04:58,675 --> 00:05:00,302 White people, we need to listen. 86 00:05:00,385 --> 00:05:02,762 We are listening. I am listening. 87 00:05:02,846 --> 00:05:06,182 Now, it's time for us to have ears to hear. 88 00:05:06,266 --> 00:05:09,185 [audience laughing] 89 00:05:12,439 --> 00:05:15,567 Oh, good. 'Cause I've been using mine for fucking. 90 00:05:17,861 --> 00:05:19,905 Two-- Two at a time. 91 00:05:19,988 --> 00:05:22,991 [audience applauding] 92 00:05:23,074 --> 00:05:26,244 I likes my ear fucking like I like my Pink Floyd albums-- 93 00:05:26,328 --> 00:05:27,621 in stereo. 94 00:05:27,704 --> 00:05:29,706 [audience laughing] 95 00:05:32,083 --> 00:05:35,712 Yeah-- Yeah, we changed it from rehearsal for the-- 96 00:05:37,422 --> 00:05:40,258 the crew that got a bit of a tickle out of that one. 97 00:05:41,676 --> 00:05:46,640 Yes. Apparently this racial issue that so divides America 98 00:05:46,723 --> 00:05:48,642 could have just been solved 99 00:05:48,725 --> 00:05:51,061 if only Black people would have said something. 100 00:05:53,355 --> 00:05:54,356 So… 101 00:05:55,106 --> 00:05:58,276 Okay, white people. Ears to hear. 102 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,864 This is the harsh reality for Black people in America today, 103 00:06:04,032 --> 00:06:07,661 that we are expected to participate in democracy 104 00:06:08,703 --> 00:06:12,040 while receiving conditional citizenship in return. 105 00:06:12,123 --> 00:06:15,794 A zip code determines what kind of school that you go to. 106 00:06:15,877 --> 00:06:18,964 A zip code determines what kind of food you can eat. 107 00:06:19,047 --> 00:06:21,299 These are the vestiges of enslavement. 108 00:06:21,383 --> 00:06:23,927 So when they say, "Why do you burn down the community?" 109 00:06:24,010 --> 00:06:26,221 "Why do you burn down your own neighborhood?" 110 00:06:26,304 --> 00:06:29,558 It's not ours. We don't own anything. 111 00:06:29,641 --> 00:06:31,476 It's amazing to me 112 00:06:32,477 --> 00:06:37,566 why we keep loving this country, and this country does not love us back. 113 00:06:38,608 --> 00:06:41,903 I mean, this stuff is-- is hard to hear. 114 00:06:41,987 --> 00:06:47,158 But these are tough conversations, and I would probably have more hope 115 00:06:47,242 --> 00:06:51,454 in its impact on our culture if those same exact sentiments 116 00:06:51,538 --> 00:06:54,249 hadn't already been conveyed to white people 117 00:06:55,041 --> 00:06:58,503 over and over and over. 118 00:06:58,587 --> 00:07:02,299 Like one year earlier on The Breakfast Club. 119 00:07:02,382 --> 00:07:06,011 They never, never, never addressed the primary problems of Black folk. 120 00:07:06,094 --> 00:07:08,805 Our primary problem was not social integration or civil rights. 121 00:07:08,889 --> 00:07:11,141 The primary problems you never corrected. 122 00:07:11,224 --> 00:07:13,518 The legacies and burdens of slavery. 123 00:07:13,602 --> 00:07:18,189 Or by Viola Davis at an award show in 2015. 124 00:07:18,273 --> 00:07:23,069 The only thing that separates women of color from anyone else 125 00:07:23,153 --> 00:07:24,404 is opportunity. 126 00:07:24,487 --> 00:07:26,406 Or in the '90s, 127 00:07:26,489 --> 00:07:32,787 when Sister Souljah explained this directly to Bill Clinton and Larry King. 128 00:07:32,871 --> 00:07:36,041 The thing that kills African people in America 129 00:07:36,124 --> 00:07:39,961 is not what white people say, but what they do, 130 00:07:40,045 --> 00:07:42,088 their policies, their actions. 131 00:07:42,172 --> 00:07:47,844 See, white people are pretending that this problem is new 132 00:07:47,928 --> 00:07:50,388 and we're just hearing about it now, 133 00:07:50,472 --> 00:07:55,477 because we love to discover stuff that's already existed. 134 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:56,978 [audience laughing] 135 00:08:02,108 --> 00:08:03,652 It's kind of our thing. 136 00:08:05,654 --> 00:08:07,322 America! 137 00:08:09,532 --> 00:08:11,243 Where did you come from? 138 00:08:14,037 --> 00:08:15,038 First. 139 00:08:19,084 --> 00:08:23,004 As a matter of fact, this shit has been said many times 140 00:08:23,088 --> 00:08:24,839 just by Chris Rock. 141 00:08:24,923 --> 00:08:29,094 Shit, there ain't a white man in this room that would change places with me. 142 00:08:29,177 --> 00:08:30,470 And I'm rich. 143 00:08:30,554 --> 00:08:33,097 You had a 400-year head start, motherfucker. 144 00:08:33,974 --> 00:08:36,308 See, the Black man gotta fly 145 00:08:36,393 --> 00:08:39,354 to get something that the white man can walk to. 146 00:08:39,437 --> 00:08:42,941 A Black C student can't even be the manager of Burger King. 147 00:08:43,024 --> 00:08:45,944 Meanwhile, a white C student just happens to be 148 00:08:46,027 --> 00:08:48,780 the president of the United States of America. 149 00:08:51,658 --> 00:08:53,618 He's a very good comedian. 150 00:08:54,578 --> 00:08:55,787 But you know what? 151 00:08:55,870 --> 00:08:58,957 Maybe you don't want to hear about our racial divide 152 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:00,458 and have it be funny. 153 00:09:00,542 --> 00:09:06,756 Would you rather Black people invent an entire genre of music 154 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,718 just to explain it to us? 155 00:09:09,801 --> 00:09:11,303 ♪ Fathers of this country Never cared for me ♪ 156 00:09:11,386 --> 00:09:13,597 ♪ They kept my ancestors Shackled up in slavery ♪ 157 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:15,932 ♪ And Uncle Sam never did A damn thing for me ♪ 158 00:09:16,016 --> 00:09:18,018 ♪ Except lie about facts In my history ♪ 159 00:09:18,101 --> 00:09:19,269 But you know what? [stammers] 160 00:09:19,352 --> 00:09:25,525 It's wonderful that white people are finally ready to sit back and listen. 161 00:09:25,609 --> 00:09:27,360 But damn. 162 00:09:28,403 --> 00:09:32,657 The Black people speaking out now are just sampling the classics. 163 00:09:32,741 --> 00:09:37,746 Racism is so deeply embedded into the fabric of the society. 164 00:09:37,829 --> 00:09:39,039 Thank you, Angela. 165 00:09:39,122 --> 00:09:43,668 James Baldwin went all the way to England to explain it, 166 00:09:43,752 --> 00:09:46,796 because he wanted to do it at white people headquarters. 167 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,257 [James Baldwin] It comes as a great shock to discover 168 00:09:49,341 --> 00:09:52,219 that the country which is your birthplace 169 00:09:52,302 --> 00:09:55,847 and to which you owe your life and your identity 170 00:09:55,931 --> 00:10:01,144 has not, in its whole system of reality, evolved any place for you. 171 00:10:01,228 --> 00:10:04,481 For fuck's sake, Frederick Douglass told white people, 172 00:10:04,564 --> 00:10:08,026 "The rich inheritance of justice, liberty, prosperity and independence 173 00:10:08,109 --> 00:10:12,489 bequeathed by your fathers is shared by you, not by me." 174 00:10:12,572 --> 00:10:15,909 He said that in 1852. 175 00:10:16,993 --> 00:10:22,666 And now… 170 years later, suddenly we're like, 176 00:10:23,875 --> 00:10:27,796 "Hey… you seem upset." 177 00:10:27,879 --> 00:10:29,923 [audience laughing] 178 00:10:35,470 --> 00:10:37,222 "We're still cool though, right? 179 00:10:38,390 --> 00:10:39,683 Did we do something?" 180 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:45,564 Black people have given us step-by-step instructions through the centuries. 181 00:10:45,647 --> 00:10:47,566 They didn't even do that with the electric slide, 182 00:10:47,649 --> 00:10:48,692 which, by the way, 183 00:10:48,775 --> 00:10:51,361 three steps, and then you bend. I don't want to get into it. 184 00:10:53,029 --> 00:10:54,656 And yet, even after all that, 185 00:10:54,739 --> 00:10:57,742 the wealth gap, worse now. 186 00:10:57,826 --> 00:11:00,662 Homeownership, worse now. 187 00:11:01,288 --> 00:11:03,748 Segregation, worse now. 188 00:11:03,832 --> 00:11:07,335 On average, a white high school graduate 189 00:11:07,419 --> 00:11:11,381 is wealthier than a Black college graduate. 190 00:11:11,464 --> 00:11:13,133 Forget about them telling you. 191 00:11:13,216 --> 00:11:16,887 Even the stark facts don't seem to matter. 192 00:11:16,970 --> 00:11:21,933 Black Americans should understand that if they study and work hard, 193 00:11:22,017 --> 00:11:24,352 they will likely succeed in this country. 194 00:11:25,020 --> 00:11:29,232 Just not as much as white people, who don't study as hard. 195 00:11:31,234 --> 00:11:35,530 We have been told over and over and over again by Black people 196 00:11:35,614 --> 00:11:39,826 that this country has never resolved the original sins of slavery and segregation. 197 00:11:40,660 --> 00:11:42,996 But the response to that is always… 198 00:11:43,079 --> 00:11:46,750 If Barack Obama can make it as a single-- as the son of a single white mom, 199 00:11:46,833 --> 00:11:48,752 then, so can everybody else. 200 00:11:48,835 --> 00:11:51,671 Oprah Winfrey is perhaps the best example of a talented person 201 00:11:51,755 --> 00:11:53,340 who made it on her own in America. 202 00:11:53,423 --> 00:11:56,801 LeBron James is a great American success story. 203 00:11:57,594 --> 00:12:01,598 How can America be racist if Cleveland has a championship? 204 00:12:01,681 --> 00:12:03,600 [audience laughing] 205 00:12:06,228 --> 00:12:08,605 It doesn't seem to matter what Black people tell us 206 00:12:08,688 --> 00:12:10,690 or how many times they say it. 207 00:12:10,774 --> 00:12:13,026 It lands on deaf ears. 208 00:12:13,109 --> 00:12:17,530 Because a large swath of white America believes that Black Americans 209 00:12:17,614 --> 00:12:20,700 are solely responsible for their community's struggle. 210 00:12:21,409 --> 00:12:26,498 And the bias is so pervasive, we don't even notice it. 211 00:12:26,581 --> 00:12:29,626 Crack. Who's responsible? 212 00:12:29,709 --> 00:12:31,253 Let me tell you straight out. 213 00:12:31,753 --> 00:12:33,255 Everyone who uses drugs. 214 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:35,048 Mmm. 215 00:12:36,758 --> 00:12:42,347 And perchance… who would this everyone be? 216 00:12:42,430 --> 00:12:45,642 [reporter 1] Crack has become the new franchise, a chemical McDonald's. 217 00:12:45,725 --> 00:12:48,770 You want to get high, you see the guys in the gangs 218 00:12:48,853 --> 00:12:50,272 in the red and blue outfits. 219 00:12:50,355 --> 00:12:52,274 [reporter 2] The front line in the war on crack. 220 00:12:52,357 --> 00:12:55,652 [reporter 3] There are tens of thousands more crack babies on the way. 221 00:12:55,735 --> 00:12:56,778 Crack babies… 222 00:12:56,861 --> 00:12:59,906 …are gonna overwhelm every social service delivery system. 223 00:12:59,990 --> 00:13:02,158 [reporter 1] Before, we could afford to ignore hopelessness 224 00:13:02,242 --> 00:13:03,451 represented by gangs. 225 00:13:03,535 --> 00:13:08,206 But now we're afraid it will affect our schools, our kids, our streets. 226 00:13:08,290 --> 00:13:13,628 It's as innocent-looking as candy, but it's turning our cities into battle zones. 227 00:13:14,129 --> 00:13:15,881 And it's murdering our children. 228 00:13:15,964 --> 00:13:17,966 What kind of fucking candy do you eat? 229 00:13:18,049 --> 00:13:20,302 [audience laughing] 230 00:13:25,307 --> 00:13:30,353 Now, this is not to downplay, at all, the effects of the crack epidemic. 231 00:13:31,104 --> 00:13:36,693 But we are currently in the midst of an equally corrosive opioid epidemic. 232 00:13:37,652 --> 00:13:40,780 Although that affects a slightly different "everyone." 233 00:13:41,823 --> 00:13:43,325 And how is that portrayed? 234 00:13:43,408 --> 00:13:45,076 [reporter] America's addiction to opioids 235 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,037 is playing out right down the street. 236 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,831 Every type of person you can imagine. 237 00:13:49,915 --> 00:13:51,458 Successful people. 238 00:13:51,541 --> 00:13:52,667 Funny people. 239 00:13:52,751 --> 00:13:54,878 Moms, dads, grandparents. 240 00:13:54,961 --> 00:13:56,338 Injured athletes. 241 00:13:56,421 --> 00:13:57,797 Cancer patients. 242 00:13:57,881 --> 00:13:59,090 War veterans. 243 00:13:59,174 --> 00:14:03,511 Chances are greater than ever you know someone directly affected. 244 00:14:03,595 --> 00:14:06,806 Why are opioids so hard to quit? 245 00:14:06,890 --> 00:14:07,974 Well, that's fucking easy. 246 00:14:08,058 --> 00:14:10,977 It links opioid receptors and inhibits an enzyme that-- 247 00:14:11,061 --> 00:14:13,480 I'm not going to get into it right now. 248 00:14:13,563 --> 00:14:15,690 But the point is, it's on purpose. 249 00:14:15,774 --> 00:14:19,527 And the people who made it that way only had to pay a fine. 250 00:14:20,070 --> 00:14:21,655 But that's drugs. 251 00:14:21,738 --> 00:14:25,200 I'm sure poverty doesn't have the same empathy gap. 252 00:14:25,283 --> 00:14:28,536 Inner city is a polite name for ghetto, as in Black ghetto. 253 00:14:29,871 --> 00:14:32,791 [audience laughs, murmurs] 254 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,296 And that's the award-winning PBS journalist. 255 00:14:39,339 --> 00:14:44,010 So, uh-- uh, just out of curiosity, why is the Black ghetto poor? 256 00:14:44,094 --> 00:14:48,682 Intelligent Americans know it is the collapse of the traditional family 257 00:14:48,765 --> 00:14:51,518 that is wreaking havoc in the African-American community. 258 00:14:51,601 --> 00:14:56,523 72% of Black babies are born to single mothers. 259 00:14:56,606 --> 00:14:59,776 If they would start talking about the responsibilities of fatherhood. 260 00:14:59,859 --> 00:15:03,321 Dependency on welfare was breaking up Black families. 261 00:15:03,405 --> 00:15:05,323 The breakdown of the Black family 262 00:15:05,407 --> 00:15:09,286 and an extraordinarily dysfunctional, toxic inner city culture. 263 00:15:09,369 --> 00:15:12,289 [chuckles] Inner city? Excuse me. 264 00:15:12,372 --> 00:15:16,001 The politically correct phrase is "Black ghetto." 265 00:15:16,084 --> 00:15:18,128 [audience laughing] 266 00:15:18,211 --> 00:15:19,546 Good day. 267 00:15:22,465 --> 00:15:27,095 Uh, by the way, how do we portray poverty 268 00:15:27,178 --> 00:15:29,556 in the… outer city? 269 00:15:29,639 --> 00:15:32,642 [reporter 1] Ruggedly beautiful and deeply poor Appalachia 270 00:15:32,726 --> 00:15:34,019 for decades has struggled. 271 00:15:34,102 --> 00:15:36,646 [reporter 2] People here have struggled more and more 272 00:15:36,730 --> 00:15:40,066 as their factories have shuttered and their coal mines have closed. 273 00:15:40,150 --> 00:15:44,237 It's been a slow, painful drip of job losses for decades. 274 00:15:44,321 --> 00:15:47,032 It used to be with a high school degree, you could get a job 275 00:15:47,115 --> 00:15:49,075 that actually could provide for your family. 276 00:15:49,159 --> 00:15:50,035 Yeah. 277 00:15:50,118 --> 00:15:55,415 And the disappearance of those may lead people to feel a lot more stressed. 278 00:15:55,498 --> 00:15:59,920 So that low self worth, along with that hopelessness feeling, 279 00:16:00,003 --> 00:16:03,006 we start seeing tremendous depression. 280 00:16:03,089 --> 00:16:04,799 So how do you relieve depression? 281 00:16:04,883 --> 00:16:08,386 You can relieve it with drug use, alcohol use. 282 00:16:08,470 --> 00:16:13,558 White people are poor and do drugs because something has been done to them. 283 00:16:14,351 --> 00:16:16,102 Black people are poor and do drugs 284 00:16:16,186 --> 00:16:19,147 'cause they won't just get up and do something. 285 00:16:20,190 --> 00:16:24,152 Everything that happens is viewed through that filter. 286 00:16:24,236 --> 00:16:26,321 [reporter 1] What started as peaceful protest 287 00:16:26,404 --> 00:16:28,365 devolving into something beyond that. 288 00:16:28,448 --> 00:16:31,326 [reporter 2] An explosion of violence today. 289 00:16:31,409 --> 00:16:35,705 [reporter 3] This is not what we want people to see of the city of Philadelphia. 290 00:16:35,789 --> 00:16:37,332 Well, it makes perfect sense. 291 00:16:37,415 --> 00:16:41,336 How would you like people to see the city of Philadelphia? 292 00:16:41,419 --> 00:16:44,756 The Eagles victory touched off a wild celebration in Philadelphia. 293 00:16:44,839 --> 00:16:46,675 [reporter 1] The celebration quickly got rowdy. 294 00:16:46,758 --> 00:16:48,843 Fans pulled down traffic lights. 295 00:16:48,927 --> 00:16:52,806 [reporter 2] The awning in front of the Ritz-Carlton Hotel collapsed. 296 00:16:52,889 --> 00:16:55,559 [reporter 1] Started fires and tipped over cars. 297 00:16:56,476 --> 00:16:58,728 Looks like everybody had a good time there last night. 298 00:16:58,812 --> 00:17:01,690 [audience laughing] 299 00:17:05,401 --> 00:17:06,486 And thus… 300 00:17:07,821 --> 00:17:09,656 the problem with white people. 301 00:17:09,738 --> 00:17:11,366 [audience applauding, cheering] 302 00:17:11,449 --> 00:17:13,325 Hold on. I'm just gonna… 303 00:17:15,035 --> 00:17:16,161 I'm just-- 304 00:17:17,414 --> 00:17:22,334 I'm just gonna stop for a second and-- and pose, so you can get your memes out. 305 00:17:22,419 --> 00:17:23,962 Okay, there we go. 306 00:17:24,963 --> 00:17:26,965 Get a good picture for your clickbaits. 307 00:17:28,967 --> 00:17:32,971 For however sincerely we want to reckon and listen, 308 00:17:33,597 --> 00:17:36,850 the truth is, America has always prioritized 309 00:17:36,933 --> 00:17:39,853 white comfort over Black survival. 310 00:17:39,936 --> 00:17:44,941 Black people have had to fight so hard for equality 311 00:17:45,025 --> 00:17:48,778 that they've been irreparably set back in the pursuit of equity. 312 00:17:49,529 --> 00:17:54,868 And any real attempt to repar-- repar-- repair 313 00:17:55,869 --> 00:17:58,872 a ton of… that damage-- 314 00:18:00,373 --> 00:18:01,374 [whispers] Reparation. 315 00:18:03,293 --> 00:18:07,005 [normal voice] …sets off white people's "They're coming for our shit" alarm. 316 00:18:07,797 --> 00:18:12,844 Which we would know ourselves had we actually been listening. 317 00:18:12,928 --> 00:18:15,222 My feeling is white people 318 00:18:15,889 --> 00:18:20,268 have a very, very serious problem. 319 00:18:20,352 --> 00:18:24,648 And they should start thinking about what they can do about it. 320 00:18:25,273 --> 00:18:26,608 Take me out of it. 321 00:18:27,150 --> 00:18:28,151 Understood. 322 00:18:28,777 --> 00:18:29,903 Take a look at this. 323 00:18:31,279 --> 00:18:35,659 Hey, white people, it's me, Leslie Jones, America's motherfucking sweetheart, 324 00:18:35,742 --> 00:18:38,703 here to illuminate something for all y'all. 325 00:18:38,787 --> 00:18:41,623 Racism is a spectrum. 326 00:18:41,706 --> 00:18:45,752 And it can go from "racism" to "racism." 327 00:18:45,835 --> 00:18:48,421 With many shades and flavors in between. 328 00:18:48,505 --> 00:18:51,258 But what degree of racist are you? 329 00:18:54,010 --> 00:18:55,554 We have the extreme racists. 330 00:18:55,637 --> 00:18:59,266 Skinheads, KKK, most of-- 331 00:18:59,349 --> 00:19:00,559 All of Boston. 332 00:19:00,642 --> 00:19:02,561 Boom! Right here. 333 00:19:02,644 --> 00:19:04,854 Now, right in the middle. 334 00:19:04,938 --> 00:19:07,482 Are you the person who says "I have a Black friend"? 335 00:19:07,566 --> 00:19:11,069 Do you consider me that Black friend? 336 00:19:11,152 --> 00:19:12,696 Lynyrd Skynyrd fans. 337 00:19:12,779 --> 00:19:14,614 "Free Bird," is that by Lynyrd Skynyrd? 338 00:19:14,698 --> 00:19:18,368 I love "Free Bird." I didn't know that they was racist until later on in my life. 339 00:19:18,451 --> 00:19:19,703 Right here. 340 00:19:19,786 --> 00:19:24,332 The ladies who think Meghan McCain got bullied on The View. 341 00:19:24,416 --> 00:19:26,418 That bitch didn't get bullied. She ain't get bullied. 342 00:19:26,501 --> 00:19:29,713 Do you secretly wish Bring It On ended in a tie? 343 00:19:29,796 --> 00:19:31,298 So you saying the bitches from Compton 344 00:19:31,381 --> 00:19:34,509 really, really was gonna tie with you, bitch? No. 345 00:19:34,593 --> 00:19:35,802 This is where you are. 346 00:19:35,886 --> 00:19:39,222 And at the very end of the spectrum we have the unconscious bias. 347 00:19:39,306 --> 00:19:40,849 A catch-all for the rest of y'all. 348 00:19:40,932 --> 00:19:44,269 Did you assume Uncle Ben and Aunt Jemima were a couple? 349 00:19:44,352 --> 00:19:46,897 You racist and dumb as hell. 350 00:19:46,980 --> 00:19:49,316 Do you think all nipples are pink? 351 00:19:49,399 --> 00:19:52,861 Even while you looking at my black-ass face! 352 00:19:52,944 --> 00:19:55,196 That's racism sneaking in without you knowing it. 353 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:56,781 Tricky little bitch. 354 00:19:57,365 --> 00:19:59,326 Okay, white people, I'm done teaching. 355 00:19:59,409 --> 00:20:01,578 If you didn't see yourself on the spectrum, 356 00:20:01,661 --> 00:20:03,163 that's the category you in. 357 00:20:03,246 --> 00:20:05,916 Giving yourself the Best White Person Award. 358 00:20:05,999 --> 00:20:08,043 Congratu-fucking-lations. 359 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,755 [audience cheering, applauding] 360 00:20:15,383 --> 00:20:19,429 One thing's that's fucking mind-blowing to me is that one in five white people 361 00:20:19,512 --> 00:20:23,058 believe that they're discriminated against more than Black people. 362 00:20:23,141 --> 00:20:25,560 - One in five. - That doesn't even hold true 363 00:20:25,644 --> 00:20:28,688 in the category of best rap album at the Grammys. 364 00:20:28,772 --> 00:20:31,233 [all laughing] 365 00:20:31,316 --> 00:20:33,318 - Was that one in five? - One in five. 366 00:20:33,401 --> 00:20:35,904 So, was it Ross, Rachel, Chandler… 367 00:20:35,987 --> 00:20:38,698 - [all laughing] - …Phoebe? 368 00:20:38,782 --> 00:20:41,618 It wasn't my baby Monica. Please, not Monica. 369 00:20:42,827 --> 00:20:44,788 [audience cheering, applauding] 370 00:20:44,871 --> 00:20:45,872 Hey. 371 00:20:46,498 --> 00:20:47,499 We're back. 372 00:20:47,582 --> 00:20:51,586 Uh, welcome back. Now, obviously-- Thank you very much for joining us again. 373 00:20:51,670 --> 00:20:52,671 Uh… 374 00:20:53,296 --> 00:20:56,967 Obviously, usually in an episode about race, focusing on Black issues, 375 00:20:57,050 --> 00:21:00,345 uh, you'd want to connect with a Cornel West, a Ta-Nehisi Coates, 376 00:21:00,428 --> 00:21:02,806 a Dave Matthews, experts in the field. 377 00:21:04,140 --> 00:21:06,643 But I'm gonna take, uh, Toni Morrison's advice on this. 378 00:21:06,726 --> 00:21:10,897 It's time for white people to talk and figure some things out. 379 00:21:10,981 --> 00:21:13,900 So tonight I'm speaking to, I mean, 380 00:21:14,401 --> 00:21:16,695 honestly, as white a panel as I think I could find. 381 00:21:17,404 --> 00:21:19,864 I have an Andrew, a Lisa and a Chip. 382 00:21:23,076 --> 00:21:27,914 This-- This panel is bone. It is-- It is alabaster. 383 00:21:28,873 --> 00:21:30,250 Uh, to my left, is Chip Gallagher, 384 00:21:30,333 --> 00:21:32,961 he's a professor of Sociology at La Salle University. 385 00:21:33,044 --> 00:21:35,130 He researches social inequality and race. 386 00:21:35,213 --> 00:21:39,217 Lisa Bond, the resident white woman for Race2Dinner, 387 00:21:39,301 --> 00:21:41,845 a group that is trying to have better conversations about race in America. 388 00:21:41,928 --> 00:21:45,140 And joining remotely, longtime author and columnist Andrew Sullivan, 389 00:21:45,223 --> 00:21:46,808 editor of The Weekly Dish. 390 00:21:46,892 --> 00:21:48,894 Welcome, everybody. Thanks so much for joining us. 391 00:21:48,977 --> 00:21:51,146 Uh-- I want to know what it is-- 392 00:21:52,439 --> 00:21:55,859 Here's what I think holds back our race conversation in America. 393 00:21:56,860 --> 00:21:58,486 I think at its core, 394 00:21:59,237 --> 00:22:03,491 I think white people put blame on Black people 395 00:22:03,575 --> 00:22:05,660 for the position that they are in. 396 00:22:06,202 --> 00:22:11,333 And then believe that white people will lose something 397 00:22:12,417 --> 00:22:15,170 in order for Black people to gain it. 398 00:22:15,795 --> 00:22:21,593 And-- And that's what creates that resentment and difficulty to overcome. 399 00:22:21,676 --> 00:22:24,512 And I'll start with Chip because… 400 00:22:25,388 --> 00:22:27,724 - Chip. - [chuckles] 401 00:22:27,807 --> 00:22:29,142 It's Charles. Uh, yeah. 402 00:22:29,226 --> 00:22:31,519 - That doesn't help. - No, it doesn't help. Yeah, yeah. 403 00:22:31,603 --> 00:22:33,230 - Okay. Uh… - [chuckles] 404 00:22:33,313 --> 00:22:36,983 A significant amount of white people in the United States of America 405 00:22:37,067 --> 00:22:39,861 see race relations through a color-blind lens. 406 00:22:39,945 --> 00:22:42,572 And I don't mean that-- I don't mean that whites don't see race. 407 00:22:42,656 --> 00:22:44,241 They see someone that's Black or Asian. 408 00:22:44,741 --> 00:22:48,286 But they don't, in any way, attach any meaning to the color 409 00:22:48,370 --> 00:22:49,704 in affecting life chances. 410 00:22:50,205 --> 00:22:54,334 And what that fundamentally means is that race doesn't matter in getting ahead. 411 00:22:54,417 --> 00:22:55,460 It just doesn't matter. 412 00:22:55,544 --> 00:22:58,463 They believe that we are in a race-- race-neutral environment. 413 00:22:58,547 --> 00:23:01,132 [stammers] That the playing field has been leveled. 414 00:23:01,216 --> 00:23:04,719 - And if you make it, um, or you don't… - It's a meritocracy. 415 00:23:04,803 --> 00:23:07,514 …it's a meritocracy, and it's a narrative also, that does a lot of things. 416 00:23:07,597 --> 00:23:10,058 It makes white privilege invisible. 417 00:23:10,141 --> 00:23:13,436 Um, and it also makes whites feel that whatever they did, 418 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:14,646 whatever successes they had, 419 00:23:14,729 --> 00:23:18,275 had nothing to do with what happened 50, 100, 200 years ago. 420 00:23:18,358 --> 00:23:20,151 You have to look at it as… 421 00:23:21,695 --> 00:23:22,696 it is difficult. 422 00:23:22,779 --> 00:23:26,575 I can see how people would get defensive about, "I didn't have sla-- 423 00:23:26,658 --> 00:23:28,493 I-- I have not actively participated. 424 00:23:28,577 --> 00:23:32,289 I am a part of a system that was built through, uh, racism. 425 00:23:32,372 --> 00:23:37,502 But-- But my life is hard and I work hard and I don't get ahead. 426 00:23:37,586 --> 00:23:40,714 So how-- how does privilege factor into it to me?" 427 00:23:40,797 --> 00:23:43,633 Now, Lisa, you try and get these conversations going. 428 00:23:44,259 --> 00:23:51,057 Where I come from, is that this system of white supremacy 429 00:23:51,141 --> 00:23:56,730 has done such a good job of teaching us, as white people, that racism is bad. 430 00:23:56,813 --> 00:24:00,775 And when we talk about racism, we're talking about your character flaw. 431 00:24:00,859 --> 00:24:03,612 If we say you're racist, it's a character flaw. 432 00:24:03,695 --> 00:24:05,614 - Mm-hmm. - I'm bad, and I know I'm not bad. 433 00:24:05,697 --> 00:24:07,407 I'm-- I think I'm a good person. 434 00:24:07,490 --> 00:24:11,953 I think I'm a nice person, and I know that I am racist. 435 00:24:12,037 --> 00:24:15,248 And I know that I am racist because I, every single day, 436 00:24:15,790 --> 00:24:19,002 uphold the systems and the structures of racism. 437 00:24:19,628 --> 00:24:23,715 And if we don't start having a conversation about that, 438 00:24:23,798 --> 00:24:27,052 and about the ways that we are complicit every day, daily-- 439 00:24:27,135 --> 00:24:31,556 If we don't talk about it, then we are never going to see movement. 440 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,016 - Ever. - Andrew, do you think 441 00:24:33,099 --> 00:24:37,979 because it always gets framed on that moral level, right? 442 00:24:38,063 --> 00:24:41,191 Does the moral qualifying of it 443 00:24:41,274 --> 00:24:44,110 make resentment the natural outcome of that? 444 00:24:44,819 --> 00:24:47,072 I think one of the issues is that some-- 445 00:24:47,155 --> 00:24:49,908 it's very hard to agree with some of the very premises 446 00:24:50,825 --> 00:24:55,288 that are being expressed tonight, as if everything is already settled. 447 00:24:55,372 --> 00:24:59,334 We know this country is, for example, a white supremacy. 448 00:24:59,834 --> 00:25:01,211 Well, I don't believe that. 449 00:25:01,753 --> 00:25:06,800 I think it's possibly the most absurd hyperbole I've ever heard. 450 00:25:06,883 --> 00:25:07,926 I come from-- 451 00:25:08,009 --> 00:25:10,804 I'm an immigrant, so I have a slightly different view of this. 452 00:25:10,887 --> 00:25:17,227 I can tell you America in 2022 is the most multiracial, 453 00:25:17,310 --> 00:25:21,606 multicultural, tolerant, diverse melting pot 454 00:25:21,690 --> 00:25:23,858 that has ever existed on planet Earth. 455 00:25:23,942 --> 00:25:26,444 And there is no other place on Earth even like it. 456 00:25:26,528 --> 00:25:30,574 That's why 86% of our immigrants are non-white. 457 00:25:30,657 --> 00:25:32,075 [Stewart] Let me ask you a question. 458 00:25:32,158 --> 00:25:34,202 Do you think they want to come to a white supremacist country? 459 00:25:34,286 --> 00:25:36,454 I-I think you bring up an interesting point, 460 00:25:36,538 --> 00:25:38,915 and we might be getting hung up on semantics. 461 00:25:38,999 --> 00:25:42,335 So the fact that you're an immigrant speaks volumes. 462 00:25:43,044 --> 00:25:44,796 It means you chose to come here. 463 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,925 But America didn't start that way for Black people. 464 00:25:49,009 --> 00:25:50,594 They didn't immigrate here. 465 00:25:50,677 --> 00:25:54,055 They were living somewhere else and they were kidnapped, and raped 466 00:25:54,139 --> 00:25:56,600 and murdered and taken here. 467 00:25:56,683 --> 00:25:59,728 And so for you to just say this is a magnificent place 468 00:25:59,811 --> 00:26:03,273 that doesn't have racism is actually, I think… 469 00:26:03,356 --> 00:26:05,775 - [Sullivan] I didn't say that. - …more of a foundational lie 470 00:26:05,859 --> 00:26:07,360 than anything else. 471 00:26:07,444 --> 00:26:09,237 - [audience cheers] - I didn't say that. 472 00:26:09,821 --> 00:26:11,114 I did not say that. 473 00:26:11,197 --> 00:26:14,492 - You said that it's the most hyperbole-- - I did not say that racism doesn't exist. 474 00:26:14,576 --> 00:26:19,247 I said the term "white supremacy" is an absurd hyperbole. 475 00:26:19,331 --> 00:26:21,791 For most people, that means the KKK. 476 00:26:21,875 --> 00:26:23,668 It means no rights for minorities. 477 00:26:23,752 --> 00:26:26,087 - And this has been used… - Okay, then let's define the term. 478 00:26:26,171 --> 00:26:28,798 - …simply to avoid an argument. - Let's take a step back. 479 00:26:28,882 --> 00:26:31,885 And let's define what we mean by white supremacy. 480 00:26:31,968 --> 00:26:33,803 When you say white supremacy, 481 00:26:33,887 --> 00:26:38,016 how are you defining it for, uh, this conversation? 482 00:26:38,099 --> 00:26:41,269 When I talk about white supremacy and when I talk about racism, 483 00:26:41,353 --> 00:26:44,439 I'm talking about, um, power and privilege. 484 00:26:44,522 --> 00:26:47,943 The power and privilege that we hold as white people in society. 485 00:26:48,026 --> 00:26:53,949 The way in which our structures, our institutions, our systems, 486 00:26:54,032 --> 00:26:57,786 how everything was designed with white people in mind, 487 00:26:57,869 --> 00:26:59,788 and only white people in mind. 488 00:26:59,871 --> 00:27:05,418 If you think about who-- who is white in society, how it has morphed… 489 00:27:05,502 --> 00:27:08,838 Oh, dude, I'm a Jew. I was grandfathered in like 50 years ago. 490 00:27:08,922 --> 00:27:11,132 - Right. - [Stewart] They-- Here's what they did. 491 00:27:11,216 --> 00:27:13,593 Brown people started coming. They're like, "We're gonna need some Jews." 492 00:27:13,677 --> 00:27:14,970 And so they brought us in. 493 00:27:15,053 --> 00:27:16,263 - [Bond] Absolutely. - It expands. 494 00:27:16,346 --> 00:27:21,184 But it does that to hold up the pillars of the systems that are in place. 495 00:27:21,268 --> 00:27:22,686 But you think it's purposeful? 496 00:27:22,769 --> 00:27:25,355 - It's absolutely purposeful. - Andrew, would your argument be 497 00:27:25,438 --> 00:27:28,984 that you don't believe that that's purposeful, or that it doesn't exist? 498 00:27:29,609 --> 00:27:31,945 - I don't believe it exists. - Okay. 499 00:27:32,028 --> 00:27:34,281 I don't know what these systems are. 500 00:27:34,364 --> 00:27:36,032 - [Stewart] Okay, so-- - Just give me one system. 501 00:27:36,116 --> 00:27:38,326 - All right, redlining neighborhoods. - Capitalism? 502 00:27:38,410 --> 00:27:40,704 - No, redlining neighborhoods. - Well, that's a state-- 503 00:27:40,787 --> 00:27:43,873 That was a state-enforced thing from Jim Crow, 504 00:27:43,957 --> 00:27:47,127 which is the one point of which I think absolutely is true. 505 00:27:47,210 --> 00:27:49,880 So you just said it doesn't exist except for that. 506 00:27:50,422 --> 00:27:51,548 - No, no, no. - Yeah. 507 00:27:51,631 --> 00:27:54,342 No, I said white supremacy doesn't exist. 508 00:27:54,426 --> 00:27:58,221 So when the New Deal-- when the New Deal was passed, right? 509 00:27:58,305 --> 00:27:59,389 When the New Deal passed, 510 00:27:59,472 --> 00:28:03,768 Black people were explicitly not allowed to have those loans. 511 00:28:03,852 --> 00:28:06,605 When the Homestead Act allowed white people 512 00:28:06,688 --> 00:28:10,775 to get an enormous wealth of land and be able to farm it, 513 00:28:10,859 --> 00:28:12,444 Black people did not have access to that. 514 00:28:12,527 --> 00:28:16,573 When slaves were freed, when Social Security came-- 515 00:28:16,656 --> 00:28:19,534 Black people-- when the G.I. Bill-- Black people were not-- 516 00:28:19,618 --> 00:28:22,537 So when you say to me, "I don't get how this exists," 517 00:28:22,621 --> 00:28:25,540 I'm just having trouble figuring out, like-- I mean, you're a bright guy, 518 00:28:25,624 --> 00:28:27,500 like, what the fuck are you talking about? 519 00:28:27,584 --> 00:28:29,628 - [Gallagher] Exactly. - Honestly, like, I don't know. 520 00:28:29,711 --> 00:28:30,629 Yeah. 521 00:28:30,712 --> 00:28:34,299 So, Chip, Chip, you jump in. And I don't mean to attack you. 522 00:28:34,382 --> 00:28:38,220 - I'm just confused. Chip. - First off, the false analogy is this-- 523 00:28:38,303 --> 00:28:43,934 equating 250 years of slavery and then 100 years of Jim Crow 524 00:28:44,017 --> 00:28:49,105 with the immigrant experiences of white Europeans from 1870 to 1924. 525 00:28:49,189 --> 00:28:50,941 I grew up in an Italian, Jewish neighborhood in Philadelphia, 526 00:28:51,024 --> 00:28:52,108 working class. 527 00:28:52,192 --> 00:28:53,902 But you know how these folks made it? 528 00:28:53,985 --> 00:28:57,906 They got jobs in the government, civil jobs, cops, union jobs. 529 00:28:57,989 --> 00:29:01,159 These were all off-limits. If you were brown or Black, forget it. 530 00:29:01,243 --> 00:29:03,119 Here's the real deal about everything, 531 00:29:03,203 --> 00:29:06,122 is that whites came to believe that everything good-- 532 00:29:06,206 --> 00:29:09,334 the jobs, the lands, the suburbs, it was theirs. 533 00:29:09,417 --> 00:29:12,128 And when Blacks try to encroach, that's when you have the pushback. 534 00:29:12,212 --> 00:29:16,550 That's when you have riots about busing. That's when you have terrorism. 535 00:29:16,633 --> 00:29:19,719 So I don't know-- You know, I get Andrew. I know Andrew's history. 536 00:29:19,803 --> 00:29:23,056 But, like, I don't even remotely understand what he's saying 537 00:29:23,139 --> 00:29:24,182 about American history. 538 00:29:24,266 --> 00:29:25,976 Because it is not in anyway-- 539 00:29:26,059 --> 00:29:28,770 People that have studied it, this is nothing like what he's talking about. 540 00:29:28,853 --> 00:29:31,022 No one is denying this awful history. 541 00:29:31,106 --> 00:29:32,691 Nor is anyone denying-- 542 00:29:32,774 --> 00:29:36,486 Great, so let's talk productively about what we do about it. 543 00:29:36,570 --> 00:29:39,739 I think the conversation is then this-- we have an awful history. 544 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,241 It's-- It's-- 545 00:29:41,324 --> 00:29:43,910 - Remnants are still felt today. - We also have a great history, Jon. 546 00:29:43,994 --> 00:29:46,079 - Say it again. - We also have a great history. 547 00:29:46,162 --> 00:29:48,081 But I think you're minimizing it. 548 00:29:48,164 --> 00:29:49,874 You're suggesting that because-- 549 00:29:49,958 --> 00:29:55,213 I think by calling today white supremacy, you are minimizing actual white supremacy. 550 00:29:55,297 --> 00:29:57,591 We have an incredible diversity. 551 00:29:57,674 --> 00:30:02,512 To condemn all American history as racist when in fact it's been liberatory… 552 00:30:03,138 --> 00:30:07,017 The systems that were racist that were put in place that-- 553 00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:10,186 - Systems? - Yes, the systems that were put in place. 554 00:30:10,270 --> 00:30:12,647 I'd like you to explain exactly what they are. 555 00:30:12,731 --> 00:30:15,442 Well, I thought I explained it earlier about the G.I. Bill 556 00:30:15,525 --> 00:30:17,193 and about the New Deal. 557 00:30:17,277 --> 00:30:20,363 That's one thing. I want to know about these systems. 558 00:30:20,447 --> 00:30:22,908 I just explained it. Housing-- 559 00:30:23,491 --> 00:30:25,744 That's one, and I've agreed that. 560 00:30:25,827 --> 00:30:29,331 Andrew, you're not living on the same fucking planet we are. 561 00:30:29,414 --> 00:30:30,874 Honestly. 562 00:30:30,957 --> 00:30:33,835 - I really don't think you are. - I think you are not living-- 563 00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:37,005 I think you are not living in the planet most Americans are, 564 00:30:37,088 --> 00:30:39,799 which is why this kind of extremism… 565 00:30:39,883 --> 00:30:42,344 - Right. - …this-- this anti-white extremism… 566 00:30:42,427 --> 00:30:45,263 - Yes. - …is losing popular support, 567 00:30:45,347 --> 00:30:49,267 is creating a backlash, is going to elect Republicans 568 00:30:49,351 --> 00:30:51,478 and undo a lot of the good you think you're doing. 569 00:30:51,561 --> 00:30:54,022 This is what happens when you don't talk about it. 570 00:30:54,105 --> 00:30:55,774 - I'm in favor of talking about it. - This is what happens 571 00:30:55,857 --> 00:30:57,525 when white people don't talk about it, 572 00:30:57,609 --> 00:31:01,196 is you have racist, dog-whistle tropes like this 573 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:04,407 that actually perpetuate and perpetuate and perpetuate. 574 00:31:04,491 --> 00:31:06,243 So I am-- I-I-- 575 00:31:06,326 --> 00:31:11,706 And I did not come on this show to sit here and argue with another white man. 576 00:31:11,790 --> 00:31:12,874 That's one of the reasons 577 00:31:12,958 --> 00:31:15,669 that we don't even engage with white men at Race2Dinner. 578 00:31:15,752 --> 00:31:19,297 - Um… So, um… - [Gallagher] I'm out. 579 00:31:19,381 --> 00:31:20,715 You know, because quite honestly, 580 00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:24,970 if white men were going to do something about racism, you had 400 years. 581 00:31:25,053 --> 00:31:27,472 - You could've done it. - [audience cheering] 582 00:31:27,556 --> 00:31:29,849 Okay. Um… 583 00:31:30,350 --> 00:31:32,852 - So, I just-- Nope. - I am 58 years old. 584 00:31:32,936 --> 00:31:34,187 I'm shutting you down right now. 585 00:31:34,271 --> 00:31:37,482 - Um, so the point is… - I'm not responsible for anyone before me. 586 00:31:37,566 --> 00:31:41,069 …I'm so tired of just engaging this conversation 587 00:31:41,152 --> 00:31:44,573 and this deep hurt that Andrew has about talking about racism. 588 00:31:44,656 --> 00:31:48,910 And-And, Chip, God bless you, but I'm gonna put everybody in the thing. 589 00:31:48,994 --> 00:31:51,288 All of us white people do this. 590 00:31:51,371 --> 00:31:53,373 I don't care if we say we're abolitionists. 591 00:31:53,456 --> 00:31:55,166 I don't care if we say we're progressive. 592 00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:59,004 I don't care if we're literally members of the KKK. 593 00:31:59,087 --> 00:32:03,592 Every single white person upholds these systems and structures of white supremacy. 594 00:32:03,675 --> 00:32:05,760 And we have got to talk about it. 595 00:32:05,844 --> 00:32:09,306 [audience applauding, cheering] 596 00:32:12,392 --> 00:32:15,770 If I could finger snap, I would finger snap right now. 597 00:32:16,396 --> 00:32:17,939 Uh, let's remove it then from the-- 598 00:32:18,023 --> 00:32:20,191 Will you be finger snapping her calling me a racist, Jon? 599 00:32:20,275 --> 00:32:24,779 Let's-- You've been doing a pretty good job with it yourself there, so… 600 00:32:25,488 --> 00:32:29,200 Uh, but, Andrew, I think you're taking words out of context 601 00:32:29,284 --> 00:32:31,036 and blowing them out of proportion 602 00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:36,333 so that you don't have to deal with having to figure out a way 603 00:32:36,416 --> 00:32:39,878 to deconstruct the barriers that were put in place 604 00:32:39,961 --> 00:32:41,963 for Black people in this country 605 00:32:42,047 --> 00:32:44,549 and give them a better chance. 606 00:32:44,633 --> 00:32:49,304 - Your opening segment was the biggest-- - Was brilliant. 607 00:32:49,387 --> 00:32:51,765 He didn't see it. I don't think he saw it. 608 00:32:51,848 --> 00:32:53,683 Brilliant. 609 00:32:53,767 --> 00:32:56,686 The biggest reductionist, one-sided-- 610 00:32:56,770 --> 00:32:58,939 - Yes. Yes. - Uh, uh… 611 00:32:59,022 --> 00:33:02,234 - Completely biased position. - Yes, yes. 612 00:33:02,317 --> 00:33:05,403 - Andrew, you are correct. - When I watched it, I wondered, 613 00:33:05,487 --> 00:33:09,574 have you lived in the same country as everybody else for the last 30 years? 614 00:33:09,658 --> 00:33:12,118 It was a straw man that you created. 615 00:33:12,202 --> 00:33:13,662 - Andrew… - A total straw man. 616 00:33:13,745 --> 00:33:16,414 - …you can appreciate things-- - In which every white person was bad. 617 00:33:16,498 --> 00:33:18,959 - Let me stop for a second. - Every Black person had the same position. 618 00:33:19,042 --> 00:33:21,169 You can appreciate where you live. 619 00:33:21,795 --> 00:33:23,964 You can love where you live. 620 00:33:24,047 --> 00:33:29,261 And you can honestly diagnose a terrible, terrible illness 621 00:33:29,344 --> 00:33:34,224 that has lived in this beautiful place that you call home and love, 622 00:33:34,307 --> 00:33:38,395 that you believe has metastasized into a cancer 623 00:33:38,478 --> 00:33:43,900 that can kill the very thing that you believe in so deeply about this country. 624 00:33:43,984 --> 00:33:45,777 To improve that place 625 00:33:45,860 --> 00:33:51,866 and make it into the country that it stated it was in its founding documents 626 00:33:51,950 --> 00:33:55,287 is the duty of everybody who lives here. 627 00:33:55,370 --> 00:33:57,956 - So do not… - [Sullivan] Indeed. 628 00:33:58,039 --> 00:34:01,418 …tell me who I am or what I believe, uh, motherfucker. 629 00:34:01,501 --> 00:34:03,920 I'm just saying that you've created a straw man. 630 00:34:04,004 --> 00:34:05,672 - [laughs] - [audience applauding] 631 00:34:07,090 --> 00:34:11,177 I apologize. I-- I-- I fucking-- [stammers] 632 00:34:11,260 --> 00:34:13,805 When you get older, it's harder to control the emotions. 633 00:34:13,889 --> 00:34:15,599 But let's talk about solutions. 634 00:34:15,682 --> 00:34:18,852 Um, Lisa, I'll start with you. What is-- What is the future? 635 00:34:18,934 --> 00:34:24,900 How do we heal a country that has a really difficult time dealing with this? 636 00:34:24,983 --> 00:34:29,945 As we see from four people that I think, uh, like and respect each other 637 00:34:30,030 --> 00:34:31,948 and yet still can't have a conversation. 638 00:34:32,032 --> 00:34:34,492 I think the first thing that we need to understand 639 00:34:34,576 --> 00:34:36,745 is that all of us white people 640 00:34:36,827 --> 00:34:41,791 have a responsibility to engage in these conversations regularly. 641 00:34:41,874 --> 00:34:44,753 But when it gets hot like this, what do you do? 642 00:34:44,836 --> 00:34:47,088 How do you back out of that and remind everybody like, 643 00:34:47,172 --> 00:34:49,507 "Hey, okay, let's take a breath. We're all-- 644 00:34:50,258 --> 00:34:52,844 I think we're all decent, good-hearted people 645 00:34:52,928 --> 00:34:54,262 who are trying to do the right thing. 646 00:34:54,346 --> 00:34:56,264 - We differ in how to do it." - Yes. 647 00:34:56,347 --> 00:35:00,769 I think that we have to know that we have to hold people accountable, 648 00:35:00,852 --> 00:35:07,108 but we also have to, um, hold them with grace and with compassion. 649 00:35:07,192 --> 00:35:09,527 And we have to-- we have to do each of them. 650 00:35:09,611 --> 00:35:11,988 [Gallagher] To Lisa's point, I think at the individual level 651 00:35:12,072 --> 00:35:13,406 - there are things we can do. - Yeah. 652 00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:14,616 - At the big level… - Okay. 653 00:35:14,699 --> 00:35:19,704 …what I think is that a lot of racism, when you strip it away, 654 00:35:19,788 --> 00:35:24,084 it's about someone trying to take my resources. And status is a resource. 655 00:35:24,751 --> 00:35:28,797 We need something akin to a new New Deal, to something to a Marshall Plan. 656 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,801 We basically, instead of building another B-1 bomber or another carrier-- 657 00:35:32,884 --> 00:35:34,594 basically we invest in our infrastructure. 658 00:35:34,678 --> 00:35:37,764 Schools, bridges. I mean, the list is very, very long. 659 00:35:37,847 --> 00:35:41,101 Andrew, I would think that's something actually that might appeal to you 660 00:35:41,184 --> 00:35:43,144 in terms of rebuilding infrastructure and things, 661 00:35:43,228 --> 00:35:46,648 because that's not, uh, based on-- but it's rebuilding areas 662 00:35:46,731 --> 00:35:49,484 that are entrenched in poverty and those things. 663 00:35:49,568 --> 00:35:54,239 It can be absolutely, yes, um, but I'm sorry to say, 664 00:35:54,322 --> 00:35:57,742 I think just white people talking about this endlessly 665 00:35:57,826 --> 00:35:59,452 is not going to help 666 00:35:59,536 --> 00:36:01,871 actual Black Americans who deal with it. 667 00:36:01,955 --> 00:36:03,832 I have certain ideas about that. 668 00:36:03,915 --> 00:36:07,335 I think we need to focus intensely on young education. 669 00:36:07,419 --> 00:36:08,753 I think education is crucial. 670 00:36:08,837 --> 00:36:14,092 I think figuring out a way to help Black kids have a stable family. 671 00:36:14,175 --> 00:36:15,886 The truth is-- That's two-- 672 00:36:15,969 --> 00:36:19,431 If you have a two-parent home, you're going to do better. 673 00:36:19,514 --> 00:36:20,849 You really are. 674 00:36:20,932 --> 00:36:24,519 I didn't grow up in a stable family. I grew up in a single-parent family. 675 00:36:24,603 --> 00:36:27,230 - I'm just telling you the data. - And so, you know-- 676 00:36:27,314 --> 00:36:30,692 The data is that 30% of African Americans don't have this. 677 00:36:30,775 --> 00:36:34,571 It's the biggest factor in getting people into college and succeeding in life. 678 00:36:34,654 --> 00:36:37,782 And if you ignore it, we're gonna let these Black kids down. 679 00:36:37,866 --> 00:36:40,702 I think Andrew-- I mean, what I'm hearing is, like, the family, 680 00:36:40,785 --> 00:36:42,162 the pathology of the Black family. 681 00:36:42,245 --> 00:36:44,372 That was the line. It wasn't the Black family. 682 00:36:44,456 --> 00:36:46,708 It was the structures. You know, in the '80s it was crack. 683 00:36:46,791 --> 00:36:48,835 It's disinvestment, it's-- it's white flight. 684 00:36:48,919 --> 00:36:52,714 Family stability-- There is an element of economic stability and family stability. 685 00:36:52,797 --> 00:36:54,549 And like, that's lost in your conversation. 686 00:36:54,633 --> 00:36:57,552 I feel like your defensiveness 687 00:36:57,636 --> 00:37:01,306 and the tropes that you use about, uh, the Black family 688 00:37:01,389 --> 00:37:04,768 being the cause of entrenched poverty in that community 689 00:37:04,851 --> 00:37:09,272 ignores why those families are broken up in the first place. 690 00:37:09,356 --> 00:37:10,899 And that's mass incarceration, 691 00:37:10,982 --> 00:37:14,277 and that's, uh, the way that we viewed the crack epidemic, 692 00:37:14,361 --> 00:37:18,740 and that's the economic opportunity over generations that was defined, so-- 693 00:37:18,823 --> 00:37:22,744 You keep trying to remove things from their historical bearings. 694 00:37:22,827 --> 00:37:24,412 - And I just think that's-- - [Sullivan] No. 695 00:37:24,496 --> 00:37:27,290 If you can't diagnose the problem, you can't fix it. 696 00:37:27,374 --> 00:37:30,877 We need to think about how we help the family restructure itself. 697 00:37:30,961 --> 00:37:32,921 Because it's key. It's key. 698 00:37:33,004 --> 00:37:34,172 Let's boil it down then. 699 00:37:34,256 --> 00:37:36,883 Why do you think the family got that way? 700 00:37:36,967 --> 00:37:38,134 Because I do think-- 701 00:37:38,218 --> 00:37:41,388 Because I do think it wasn't-- Marriage became less important. 702 00:37:41,471 --> 00:37:43,598 Sex outside of marriage became-- for all of us. 703 00:37:43,682 --> 00:37:46,226 Uh-huh. But you're not talking about all of us, Andrew. 704 00:37:46,309 --> 00:37:49,104 And now we're seeing the same happening with white families. 705 00:37:49,187 --> 00:37:52,023 You're talking about specifically the Black community. 706 00:37:52,107 --> 00:37:54,442 If you look at white families today, you see the same thing. 707 00:37:54,526 --> 00:37:56,152 So you're upset about that as well? 708 00:37:56,236 --> 00:37:58,154 - Of course I am. - Okay, all right. 709 00:37:58,238 --> 00:38:00,699 I'm not blaming-- This is-- This is a family question. 710 00:38:00,782 --> 00:38:03,660 White or Black, you're gonna do better if your parents stay at home 711 00:38:03,743 --> 00:38:06,079 and take care of you until you leave home. 712 00:38:06,162 --> 00:38:07,622 That's just a fact. 713 00:38:07,706 --> 00:38:10,458 How are you supposed to do that when you work a low-income job 714 00:38:10,542 --> 00:38:11,835 and you don't have child care? 715 00:38:12,460 --> 00:38:15,171 Well, it's really tough, which is why we need to address that. 716 00:38:15,255 --> 00:38:17,716 - Absolutely. - But that's what we just talked about. 717 00:38:17,799 --> 00:38:20,051 Of course we do and-- Yeah, that's important. I agree. 718 00:38:20,135 --> 00:38:23,096 I would spend more on that. I'd spend more on schooling. 719 00:38:23,179 --> 00:38:25,307 I would spend more on child care. 720 00:38:25,390 --> 00:38:28,184 But I do not think you can dismiss culture. 721 00:38:28,268 --> 00:38:30,937 - There are very poor-- - That's the point I'm getting to, Andrew, 722 00:38:31,021 --> 00:38:33,064 which I think you've been dodging around. 723 00:38:33,148 --> 00:38:35,150 What do you mean by culture? 724 00:38:35,233 --> 00:38:41,907 I mean a culture in which the family unit is not as strong as it might be. 725 00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:44,451 And in which the sense of making it in America-- 726 00:38:44,534 --> 00:38:46,661 And why is it not as strong as it might be? 727 00:38:46,745 --> 00:38:49,456 - You're not talking about everybody. - …a source of a lot of our problems. 728 00:38:49,539 --> 00:38:50,999 - I am. - You're talking about Black people. 729 00:38:51,082 --> 00:38:52,334 Why do you think-- 730 00:38:52,417 --> 00:38:54,836 You seem to feel like somehow 731 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,549 Black culture is uniquely destructive to family. Why? 732 00:38:59,633 --> 00:39:00,842 I don't-- I don't-- 733 00:39:00,926 --> 00:39:04,054 To be honest, I'm just telling you that's what is the truth, 734 00:39:04,137 --> 00:39:06,598 that 30% are still born out of wedlock. 735 00:39:06,681 --> 00:39:07,933 Only born out of wedlock. 736 00:39:08,016 --> 00:39:10,477 I mean, it's a complicated question. I think-- 737 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,562 Well, that's why I'm asking you to explain it. 738 00:39:12,646 --> 00:39:14,940 - Tell me. - [stammering] It's also a function-- 739 00:39:15,023 --> 00:39:18,818 Well, I think it's a function of social conservatism losing its grip 740 00:39:18,902 --> 00:39:20,153 in African-American communities. 741 00:39:20,237 --> 00:39:21,655 In the 1930s, 742 00:39:21,738 --> 00:39:25,951 the family retention rate, the marriage rate was in the 80s. 743 00:39:26,034 --> 00:39:27,035 80 percent. 744 00:39:27,118 --> 00:39:29,955 If it was 80% in Harlem in 1928 745 00:39:30,622 --> 00:39:32,666 and it's only 30% now, 746 00:39:33,792 --> 00:39:37,045 we need to get it back to where it was to have a better chance 747 00:39:37,128 --> 00:39:39,422 for kids-- for Black kids to succeed. 748 00:39:39,506 --> 00:39:40,882 That's what I'm talking about. 749 00:39:40,966 --> 00:39:43,927 - Because you care about Black kids. - And-- Okay. That's-- So we'll-- 750 00:39:44,010 --> 00:39:46,805 - We'll look into that. - [audience laughing] 751 00:39:46,888 --> 00:39:48,056 - Um… - [audience member] Yeah! 752 00:39:48,139 --> 00:39:50,559 [stammering] And we'll get there, but, uh… 753 00:39:50,642 --> 00:39:53,019 People in those communities want a better quality of life. 754 00:39:53,103 --> 00:39:56,898 Whatever we have to do to get there for them to attain quality of life-- 755 00:39:56,982 --> 00:39:58,567 It's not about broken marriage-- 756 00:39:58,650 --> 00:40:01,987 It's about, how do we get people to have the quality of life 757 00:40:02,070 --> 00:40:04,781 that we all as Americans, uh, deserve? 758 00:40:04,864 --> 00:40:06,992 I think that we can all agree on. 759 00:40:07,075 --> 00:40:10,745 And what a wonderful moment of kumbaya… 760 00:40:10,829 --> 00:40:12,872 [audience laughs] 761 00:40:12,956 --> 00:40:16,668 …at the end. I've appreciated everyone taking the time to do this. 762 00:40:16,751 --> 00:40:21,423 Boy, has it pointed out some fault lines, and we've got to recalibrate 763 00:40:21,506 --> 00:40:25,719 and find a way to… be open to 764 00:40:25,802 --> 00:40:31,141 all different stripes of white people in the conversation, 765 00:40:31,224 --> 00:40:33,643 whether they be people who study it, 766 00:40:33,727 --> 00:40:36,438 uh, people who spend their lives trying to change it, 767 00:40:36,521 --> 00:40:39,733 or people who are very upset about having to do that. 768 00:40:39,816 --> 00:40:41,735 - Um… - [audience laughs] 769 00:40:41,818 --> 00:40:44,029 Thank you very much, Andrew Sullivan, Lisa and Chip. 770 00:40:44,112 --> 00:40:45,572 All right, we'll be right back. 771 00:40:45,655 --> 00:40:47,532 [audience cheering] 772 00:40:47,616 --> 00:40:49,326 [no audible dialogue] 773 00:40:54,289 --> 00:40:55,290 [audience laughs] 774 00:41:01,129 --> 00:41:04,341 [commentator] Back to Larry for three. Yes. Three-pointer! 775 00:41:04,424 --> 00:41:06,092 [commentator 2] Hits the three. 776 00:41:06,176 --> 00:41:09,721 [commentator 1] The hired assassin is firing it on target today. 777 00:41:09,804 --> 00:41:11,348 [commentator 2] Look at that smooth rhythm. 778 00:41:11,431 --> 00:41:12,766 [commentator 3] Stockton open. 779 00:41:12,849 --> 00:41:14,643 [commentator 4] It's another one. Great pass. 780 00:41:14,726 --> 00:41:16,811 Beautiful play for Little John Stockton. 781 00:41:16,895 --> 00:41:18,855 ["The Best" playing] 782 00:41:20,106 --> 00:41:21,566 [cheering] 783 00:41:43,838 --> 00:41:46,258 - [Stewart] Senator Booker. - I wish we were back in Jersey, man. 784 00:41:46,341 --> 00:41:48,343 I feel in some ways like I am back in Jersey. 785 00:41:48,426 --> 00:41:50,345 We've declared this for the state of New Jersey. 786 00:41:53,390 --> 00:41:54,891 - Senator Scott, South Carolina. - Yes, sir. 787 00:41:54,975 --> 00:41:56,601 - Thank you so much for joining us. - Absolutely. 788 00:41:56,685 --> 00:41:59,896 Uh, in this country, obviously after George Floyd 789 00:41:59,980 --> 00:42:02,983 there was a real sense of a racial reckoning 790 00:42:03,066 --> 00:42:07,195 that, uh, white people needed to listen. 791 00:42:07,946 --> 00:42:09,656 So we had a conversation with white people. 792 00:42:09,739 --> 00:42:11,157 I can tell you this. 793 00:42:11,741 --> 00:42:13,118 Uh, it did not go well. 794 00:42:13,201 --> 00:42:14,578 - Really? - Yeah. 795 00:42:14,661 --> 00:42:17,622 It got heated fast. 796 00:42:17,706 --> 00:42:19,499 One of our guests used the phrase "white supremacy," 797 00:42:19,583 --> 00:42:22,294 that the country was designed in white supremacy. 798 00:42:22,377 --> 00:42:28,717 And that language was a burr in the saddle of this one individual 799 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,596 who said, "How dare you say white supremacy." 800 00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:37,642 Even though, to my mind, I don't know how you would describe it any other way 801 00:42:37,726 --> 00:42:39,311 in terms of the design of it. 802 00:42:39,394 --> 00:42:41,730 So, I don't want to quibble with some of your words. 803 00:42:41,813 --> 00:42:43,565 Quibble away, though. I'm here to be quibbled. 804 00:42:43,648 --> 00:42:47,027 But the language-- The reason why your language makes me feel uncomfortable… 805 00:42:47,110 --> 00:42:49,237 - Yes. - …is because it makes it sound 806 00:42:49,321 --> 00:42:54,534 like there's some sinister person who's designing a system today. 807 00:42:54,618 --> 00:42:55,952 We need to tell the truth. 808 00:42:56,995 --> 00:43:00,790 But somehow it can't be a conversation about blame, 809 00:43:00,874 --> 00:43:02,959 but more that inspires a sense of responsibility. 810 00:43:03,043 --> 00:43:04,336 [Stewart] So that's really interesting. 811 00:43:04,419 --> 00:43:08,924 So would we agree that the experience of African Americans 812 00:43:09,007 --> 00:43:11,384 - is unique in this country… - Yes. 813 00:43:11,468 --> 00:43:16,473 …in that the government really did set structural barriers for them? 814 00:43:16,556 --> 00:43:21,561 For 180, 190 years of American history 815 00:43:21,645 --> 00:43:25,607 African Americans were, by and large, specifically carved out 816 00:43:25,690 --> 00:43:29,069 of a free market system that works incredibly well 817 00:43:29,152 --> 00:43:30,278 - if you're in it. - Right. Right. 818 00:43:30,362 --> 00:43:32,072 Without a question. If you can't acknowledge that, 819 00:43:32,155 --> 00:43:33,698 then you're not acknowledging the truth. 820 00:43:33,782 --> 00:43:40,247 But I see so many signs of strong progress that I've personally experienced, 821 00:43:40,747 --> 00:43:44,167 and at the same time I see some of the challenges that we still need to confront. 822 00:43:44,251 --> 00:43:48,255 The reason why I wanted to come to the Senate, 823 00:43:48,338 --> 00:43:51,341 - and Senator Scott and you… - Right. 824 00:43:51,424 --> 00:43:55,554 …is you sit in a position of power in an institution 825 00:43:55,637 --> 00:43:59,558 that has not traditionally been hospitable to people of color. 826 00:44:00,058 --> 00:44:05,814 House of Representatives is very much a picture of what America looks like now. 827 00:44:05,897 --> 00:44:09,025 It's diverse. Uh, different viewpoints. 828 00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:11,570 Ethnically, gender… 829 00:44:11,653 --> 00:44:14,698 The Senate is affirmative action for old white dudes. 830 00:44:14,781 --> 00:44:17,033 - [laughs] I-- - It's-- It's-- 831 00:44:17,117 --> 00:44:19,828 - But let me get to the point. - Yes. Please. 832 00:44:19,911 --> 00:44:21,746 How do you move forward 833 00:44:22,330 --> 00:44:26,877 when the still-overwhelming majority of the country believes, 834 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,797 "If you help the Black community, that's gonna come out of our pot"? 835 00:44:31,673 --> 00:44:33,049 It's resource guarding. 836 00:44:33,133 --> 00:44:37,387 Those who believe that in order for me to have what I need 837 00:44:37,470 --> 00:44:39,681 - you have to give up what you need… - Mm-hmm. 838 00:44:40,807 --> 00:44:42,309 …that's just an illusion. 839 00:44:42,392 --> 00:44:45,520 Why do you think the resentment, then, is so ingrained? 840 00:44:45,604 --> 00:44:49,316 Too much of success in this nation feels elusive. 841 00:44:49,399 --> 00:44:50,233 [Stewart] Right. 842 00:44:50,317 --> 00:44:53,653 And so the future challenge that we have coming our way 843 00:44:53,737 --> 00:44:57,324 I think is less Black and white and is more structural 844 00:44:57,407 --> 00:45:02,203 to those who feel like their resources are inadequate to meet their needs. 845 00:45:02,287 --> 00:45:06,124 - If you're looking for a great equalizer… - Mm-hmm. 846 00:45:06,207 --> 00:45:08,251 …the closest thing to a panacea, 847 00:45:08,335 --> 00:45:13,381 it's understanding that education is the closest thing to magic in America. 848 00:45:13,465 --> 00:45:18,053 With a good education, almost all things are possible. 849 00:45:18,136 --> 00:45:21,306 Is it about convincing, maybe, white Americans 850 00:45:21,389 --> 00:45:26,061 that this investment actually enriches everyone? 851 00:45:26,144 --> 00:45:29,397 Jon, I don't spend as much time on white versus Black as you do. 852 00:45:29,481 --> 00:45:31,816 - I spend most of my time-- - I can tell. But to me, 853 00:45:31,900 --> 00:45:34,945 it's illuminating the challenges 854 00:45:35,028 --> 00:45:37,948 so that everything starts off on a level playing field. 855 00:45:38,031 --> 00:45:41,826 If you were looking at an area of profound change, 856 00:45:42,911 --> 00:45:44,746 would education be that-- 857 00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:50,168 - Is that where the power source would be? - So, it's hard to say that. 858 00:45:50,252 --> 00:45:52,879 One of the top indicators, if not the top indicator, 859 00:45:52,963 --> 00:45:55,507 of whether your children will be poisoned 860 00:45:55,590 --> 00:45:57,884 is the color of your skin in this country. 861 00:45:57,968 --> 00:46:01,179 Because from the particulate matter that causes asthma, 862 00:46:01,263 --> 00:46:04,849 to the toxins in soil, to the contaminants in water, 863 00:46:04,933 --> 00:46:07,727 those are disproportionately in low-income places. 864 00:46:07,811 --> 00:46:10,021 So it's hard to say, "Just give that kid some more money." 865 00:46:10,105 --> 00:46:16,152 You can't separate education from poverty or from environmental hazards. 866 00:46:16,236 --> 00:46:20,615 So what is it about the white community that has in their hearts-- 867 00:46:20,699 --> 00:46:22,826 - Some in the white community… - Some, some. 868 00:46:22,909 --> 00:46:28,623 …that there is this lack of-- of-- of that empathy. 869 00:46:28,707 --> 00:46:32,252 You're talking about a narrow band of people 870 00:46:32,335 --> 00:46:34,921 who harbor racial resentment. 871 00:46:35,005 --> 00:46:39,801 No. I'm talking about the majority of people. 872 00:46:39,885 --> 00:46:43,388 They don't harbor racial resentment, but they'll say, 873 00:46:43,471 --> 00:46:44,681 "Well, there's more crime there…" 874 00:46:44,764 --> 00:46:46,016 - Right. - "…in the Black community." 875 00:46:46,099 --> 00:46:48,685 And if you keep saying to them, "But why?" They won't come to, 876 00:46:48,768 --> 00:46:51,771 - "Well, redlining and the Homestead Act." - Yes. 877 00:46:51,855 --> 00:46:54,858 - Yes. - What they'll come to is the culture. 878 00:46:54,941 --> 00:46:56,610 Well, I'm-- I'm-- 879 00:46:56,693 --> 00:46:59,487 - I'm not sure I actually agree with you. - Okay. 880 00:46:59,571 --> 00:47:01,448 I agree with you about implicit racial bias. 881 00:47:01,531 --> 00:47:03,116 And-- And-- And it is an issue. 882 00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:05,744 Um, it is an issue of why in my life-- 883 00:47:05,827 --> 00:47:07,871 - Right. - Both Tim Scott and I-- our lives-- 884 00:47:07,954 --> 00:47:11,249 we were pulled over disproportionately to our white friends. 885 00:47:11,333 --> 00:47:14,169 I wanna make sure that you guys don't think that I'm a unicorn. 886 00:47:14,252 --> 00:47:17,297 [stammers] I have faced the same challenges you have. 887 00:47:17,380 --> 00:47:20,050 - [Stewart] Right. - I've been stopped 20-plus times. 888 00:47:20,133 --> 00:47:21,760 As a-- driving while Black. 889 00:47:21,843 --> 00:47:26,014 [Stewart] You guys have the grace and the pragmatism to move past it. 890 00:47:26,097 --> 00:47:27,891 - These two gentlemen… - Right. 891 00:47:27,974 --> 00:47:30,143 …on the opposite side of the political spectrum. 892 00:47:30,227 --> 00:47:33,688 One considered very conservative, one considered very liberal. 893 00:47:33,772 --> 00:47:40,028 And yet, I was surprised at how well you aligned with each other. 894 00:47:40,737 --> 00:47:42,322 Look, Tim has been my best partner. 895 00:47:42,405 --> 00:47:46,826 Contempt didn't get me and Tim Scott to pass the First Step Act, 896 00:47:46,910 --> 00:47:49,204 to pass Opportunity-- I can go through the legislation. 897 00:47:49,287 --> 00:47:51,373 Not hating somebody, 898 00:47:51,456 --> 00:47:53,917 seeing their humanity, not otherizing them. 899 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,629 Patriotism is love of country, and you cannot love your country 900 00:47:57,712 --> 00:47:59,631 unless you love your fellow countrymen and women. 901 00:47:59,714 --> 00:48:02,926 You don't always have to like them. You don't always have to agree with them. 902 00:48:03,009 --> 00:48:06,054 But love is this radical idea 903 00:48:06,137 --> 00:48:09,307 that, "I am going to put your well-being in line with mine 904 00:48:09,391 --> 00:48:11,434 and understand that they are actually bound together." 905 00:48:12,185 --> 00:48:15,480 But you're preaching the gospel to some extent here. 906 00:48:16,022 --> 00:48:17,399 And I gotta tell you, 907 00:48:17,482 --> 00:48:20,068 if Jesus was alive today and he preached that gospel, 908 00:48:20,151 --> 00:48:22,737 - the Twitter comments would be vicious. - [laughs] 909 00:48:22,821 --> 00:48:23,989 I-- I-- 910 00:48:24,072 --> 00:48:25,865 "Jesus, you both-sideser!" 911 00:48:25,949 --> 00:48:27,450 - [laughing] - What are you doing? 912 00:48:27,534 --> 00:48:29,160 [Stewart] Final question is just for me personally. 913 00:48:29,244 --> 00:48:32,914 But I do wanna ask you, who is the most racist senator? 914 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,002 - You know, that's like uh… - [laughing] 915 00:48:37,085 --> 00:48:40,547 …asking a question about when did you stop-- [stammers] You know-- 916 00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:43,884 [both laughing] 917 00:48:43,967 --> 00:48:46,428 - So I'm the fourth Black person… - Yeah. 918 00:48:46,511 --> 00:48:48,889 …uh, popularly elected ever to the Senate. 919 00:48:48,972 --> 00:48:50,056 Tim is the fifth. 920 00:48:50,557 --> 00:48:51,558 - Really? - Yeah. 921 00:48:51,641 --> 00:48:52,642 So, picture this. 922 00:48:52,726 --> 00:48:57,480 We were negotiating the policing bill, and we get assigned a room. 923 00:48:58,148 --> 00:49:00,984 And I'm walking into the room. I ask my staff, 924 00:49:01,067 --> 00:49:04,154 "What's this room's name?" And they go, "It's the Strom Thurmond room." 925 00:49:04,237 --> 00:49:07,407 [both laughing] 926 00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:09,492 [chuckling] And I just-- I stopped and wondered… 927 00:49:09,576 --> 00:49:11,661 - [Stewart laughs] - …"What would Strom Thurmond think?" 928 00:49:11,745 --> 00:49:14,831 [Stewart] Uh, thank you for your time. It's really much appreciated. 929 00:49:14,915 --> 00:49:16,333 - Appreciate you. - Appreciate you. 930 00:49:16,416 --> 00:49:17,500 Thank you. 931 00:49:19,252 --> 00:49:21,213 - All right. - [audience cheering] 932 00:49:23,465 --> 00:49:25,592 Ah, thank you! 933 00:49:26,343 --> 00:49:27,636 Thank you for watching. 934 00:49:30,847 --> 00:49:32,807 I need a nap! 935 00:49:32,891 --> 00:49:34,226 [audience laughing] 936 00:49:35,101 --> 00:49:37,646 Thank you for watching the episode that'll have the most people on Twitter 937 00:49:37,729 --> 00:49:38,897 reminding me I'm Jewish. 938 00:49:38,980 --> 00:49:42,192 Oh, I look-- I look forward to their comments. 939 00:49:42,275 --> 00:49:44,819 For more resources, please check out our website at theproblem.com. 940 00:49:44,903 --> 00:49:46,571 We also have a podcast 941 00:49:46,655 --> 00:49:49,908 where I always say at least one thing that requires an emergency staff meeting. 942 00:49:51,117 --> 00:49:52,577 Check out our newsletter. 943 00:49:52,661 --> 00:49:57,249 Got lots of exclusive tips for my toned arms, my juicy glutes. 944 00:49:58,333 --> 00:50:00,835 It goes in a different direction than the rest of the show. 945 00:50:00,919 --> 00:50:03,171 And, uh, the best rest stops on the New Jersey Turnpike. 946 00:50:03,255 --> 00:50:04,631 Thanks for joining us. Good night. 947 00:50:19,187 --> 00:50:21,690 When you hold up a LeBron James or a Jay-Z 948 00:50:21,773 --> 00:50:25,360 or somebody along those lines as, "Well, that guy made it. 949 00:50:25,443 --> 00:50:29,030 The most exceptional athlete any of us have ever seen in our lifetimes 950 00:50:29,114 --> 00:50:31,491 can make it. Why can't you?" 951 00:50:31,575 --> 00:50:35,787 Chris Rock used to do a great bit about it. He goes, "I'm six-foot famous." 952 00:50:35,870 --> 00:50:38,331 He goes, "Outside of six feet, I'm just another Black guy 953 00:50:38,415 --> 00:50:39,791 walking on the street getting in trouble. 954 00:50:39,874 --> 00:50:42,294 But as soon as they get within six feet, they're like, 955 00:50:42,377 --> 00:50:44,629 'Hey, ma-- Hey, Chris Rock!'" 956 00:50:44,713 --> 00:50:46,923 - [all laughing] - That's not how the joke goes. 957 00:50:47,007 --> 00:50:49,426 - [Stewart] Oh, it's not? - He's six-foot famous. 958 00:50:49,509 --> 00:50:51,511 And then he goes-- The cop goes, 959 00:50:51,595 --> 00:50:53,722 "Nigga, nigga, nigga-- Oh, that's Chris Rock!" 960 00:50:53,805 --> 00:50:57,726 - Yeah. I did-- I did shorten the bit. - [all laughing] 961 00:50:57,809 --> 00:51:00,395 I said, "Jon, tag me in. I'll do the rest of the joke for you." 962 00:51:00,478 --> 00:51:02,731 - [all laughing] - "We can do this together."